October 8, 2023 • 44 mins
Have you ever wondered how much of your identity is truly you, and how much is shaped by your interactions and experiences? Join us on this exploratory journey with our special guest, Kevin Holmes, an ambassador or dopiness and curator of exquisite vibes. We navigate through some thought-provoking discussions about our identity, authenticity, and the complexities of having an extrovert, introvert, and an ambivert tendencies.
Our conversation takes an interesting turn as we delve into generational differences and the power of the internet in shaping our perceptions and interactions. Kevin shares candid, personal stories of heartbreak, the humor he found in times of sorrow, and his journey into becoming a DJ.
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Episode Transcript
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Chantée Christian (00:03):
Hello good people.
This is Chantée Christian, andyou are listening to the my Best
Shift Podcast.
When you put the two of ustogether, we could talk for
(00:23):
hours, so we ended up with atwo-parter.
In this first episode, Kevinand I talk about who we are to
so many people, includingourselves.
Hey, Kevin.
Kevin Holmes (00:39):
With the dilly, yo with the dilly.
Chantée Christian (00:42):
Oh, my goodness, I'm so excited for you
to be on this season fourpodcast with me.
Kevin Holmes (00:48):
Season four.
That's tough, man, that's allright.
That's all right, man.
It wasn't grand opening, grandclosing, man.
You're still going.
Four seasons man, you're aseason vet now.
Chantée Christian (00:59):
Four seasons, yes, but before we get into the
weeds of just our conversation,why don't you tell the people a
little bit about yourself?
Kevin Holmes (01:09):
Oh, wow, man, Tell me about yourself.
I feel like I'm in aninternship prep interview.
Tell me about yourself.
I used to hate that questionBack in the day, man.
You would get ready, you gothrough like a career workshop
or getting ready for that firstjob.
Tell me about yourself, becausethen, as you get older,
(01:30):
everybody wants you to give anintroduction about yourself, but
it's never really authentic.
It's like I do this.
I've been here, I'm going here,this is where I work.
This is my phone number If youneed to get in contact with me
during the day.
This is my phone number.
At night, I'm going to emailaddress.
(01:52):
Now, that's LinkedIn, that'swhat we now know as LinkedIn.
Now, that's true.
Long story short man.
I am, most importantly, afriend and a brother of one,
miss Chantée Christian.
You know what I'm saying.
I think, if anything, peopleneed to know that upfront.
Chantée Christian (02:10):
Yes, over 20 years of friendship.
Kevin Holmes (02:13):
Exactly that's very, very important to me, and
so I'm a son, I'm a brother, I'ma father, I am a podcast host
as well, I am a higher edexecutive as well.
At the end of the day, I'm justcare.
I think I've been doing a lotto try to have the ability to be
(02:35):
care in all of those differentspaces that I mentioned.
You know, originally from theHampton Roads area of Virginia,
George Mason Alarm, master's inundergrad, brother of Phi Beta
Sigma fraternity, incorporatedmyself and I don't know, man,
like, when people ask you thatquestion, Chantée, it's crazy
(02:57):
because, like I think, theanswer or the response may
differ depending on theenvironment that you're in,
absolutely.
And so for you to ask me thatquestion and you kind of know,
like the lifespan in the circlearound me, it's like, wow, how
do I respond to that?
Chantée Christian (03:15):
I don't know.
You know, I used to hate thisquestion too, and then I had
started dating.
Kevin Holmes (03:22):
Yeah, that'll do it.
That'll do it as well.
Chantée Christian (03:25):
And I had to practice like who do I want you
to know?
Right, and it depends on whothe guy was, how open I would be
about me, right, like I'm likeI give you a little snippet here
or there.
And then I had to get reallycomfortable with like who I am
outside of work and I was like,well, shit, I don't know.
(03:46):
Like you said, right, I'm adaughter, I'm a friend, I'm
pretty dope, but you got to getto know me because I could be
like you know a little B, butbut even still, it's like, yeah,
I'm dope, but I might not evenwant you to know that level of
my dope-ness.
Kevin Holmes (04:03):
You know, like, what's my man?
What's my man?
Is it Kevin on stage?
You, like, you know, have, haveratchet, have righteous yes,
like, depending on which day youask me I want, I might want to
be in my righteous lane or Imight want to be in my ratchet
lane because I'm both.
Chantée Christian (04:20):
Well and more right, like we're not linear,
yeah.
And so it's like well, tell mewhat you're looking for and I
can tell you what you need toknow to satisfy that itch, you
know.
And so like I hate, like nowthat we're back, you know, back
outside, I hate going tonetworking things, because the
(04:41):
first thing people would say, oh, so what do you do?
And I'm like, do I tell you thetruth, like the full truth, or
do I dumb it down?
And it depends on the person.
I'm like, do I want them tolike be shocked and all and walk
away, or do I want them to belike, oh, tell me more.
And then I'm like all right, wecan do this.
Kevin Holmes (04:58):
But you know, the weird part about that is like,
as you're telling people this,they're like fact checking you
in real time on their phone,like on all your social media,
and I guess it's strange to me.
I get it, it's the times right.
I don't like it.
But, it's still very strange tome because, like you and I are
talking and as we're talking, Iwas at a conference in New
(05:18):
Orleans a couple weeks ago andas I'm talking and talking to a
young brother there, he saw mytitle and where I work and
everything and had somequestions.
And as I'm talking to him andresponding to his questions, he
then like legit on LinkedInright there.
Well, yeah, do you have a?
You know what's your Twitterhand?
(05:38):
I said, well, I'm really notactive on Twitter.
Why are you not active onTwitter?
Because I really don't careabout your opinion that much, or
people like followingeverything that I do.
I mean, like, really the onlyreason I'm, I think I'm on
social media now and this islike the old head in me.
I'm also I guess I would beconsidered middle age now.
(06:01):
Shantae, you know I'm in my 40s, I'm 42 years old, I'm a
Scorpio, you know, like, likeI'm going back to your question,
I'm a Scorpio, 42, you know youshould start there.
You know I'm saying I love longwalks on the beach.
Oh, my God, I like to share icecream sundaes.
You know, maybe we could sharea burrito bowl at your Pope,
(06:26):
like you know saying I'm tryingto.
You know, watch my health.
My salt intake can't be thatmuch or that high.
Chantée Christian (06:32):
This is why you're fav.
Kevin Holmes (06:36):
Yo, I just had you know.
I just had my eyes examined.
Right, my eyes checked.
I'm in multifocal lenses now.
Shantae, like that's the.
That's the detriment of gettingolder.
Chantée Christian (06:49):
Is that the new word for buy focus?
Kevin Holmes (06:51):
I don't know.
I don't know because I had a.
You know I wear contact, so Ihad to get a contact fitting.
But I didn't know they.
I didn't know you could havelike multifocal stuff in your
contact lenses, because I wasscared to death that they was
like nah man, you can't wearcontact no more.
You got to get some reading gasor you got to get my
prescription already thick, soit's going to be thicker and
then I'm going to have that bigline in between it.
(07:11):
I got to.
I got to move in and out withmy hand reading everything,
because I was already having nosymptoms.
You know what I'm saying and soI'm thinking like Damn yo it.
Like tell me about yourself.
Like yo, I guess I was nearsighted.
Now I'm far sighted and I'm inmultifocal contact lenses and I
(07:32):
thought I was gonna pay $49 fora regular contact fitting and
they asked me they said is thisa regular fitting?
Do you have a stigmatism?
No, I don't have a stigmatism.
But then the multifocal lensfitting was more expensive than
if I had a stigmatism.
So you know, my co-pay at theeye doctor went from $39.95 or
(07:53):
$40 to $130.
Like, do I tell you in responseto your question, with like
that kind of background about me, it's like the state firm,
commercial, like we don't needto know everything, we just need
to know the basics.
But what do you say?
Chantée Christian (08:06):
Yeah, that's real right.
Like I think, like you said, itdepends, right, Part of the
challenge is that we've knowneach other since 2001.
So you telling me aboutyourself, there are gonna be
some things that I'm like, ohfor real, I didn't know that.
But like, we know each otherright and so it's like your
(08:32):
basics for me would be differentfor your basics for a
networking event, someone atwork, somebody that you met at a
bar you know what I mean.
Kevin Holmes (08:40):
I try to learn from those people too.
I try to stay away from them,yeah.
Chantée Christian (08:45):
But I mean it's I think that and it's
something that I don't even workwith my clients on like who am
I Right, because we change somuch throughout a year, let
alone a day, right?
So, like you said, somebody waslike hey, I wanna talk to you.
I've never met the personbefore they found me on LinkedIn
(09:07):
.
I was like okay, cool, theystarted reading me, to me my bio
, and I was like kinda creepy,but okay.
Kevin Holmes (09:14):
That is weird.
I mean, they did their research, so that's a good thing, I
would assume.
Chantée Christian (09:19):
I would assume.
But like, maybe be a littlemore discreet about it, right?
Like I'm pretty aware of thethings that are in my bio.
So, as you are reading to methe things that I wrote in my
bio, I'm like I said well, wheredid you pull that from?
Kevin Holmes (09:35):
You have your undergraduate degree from here.
You have your MBA.
Really, you have this cert,that cert.
You've been a professional inthis space for this long.
You know it's kinda trippy manbecause like these are the
social skills that people aredeveloping.
Chantée Christian (09:51):
So I'm like we're doing people such a
disservice because even the guyI'm dating right now his
daughter Googled me.
That shit tripped me out Likeshe's 11.
Kevin Holmes (10:05):
now I love the enthusiasm, the intent and the
background check she did on thewoman that her father is dating.
That's some cold bloody stuffright there, man.
That's cold bloody.
Chantée Christian (10:17):
Like I said, what did she find?
What's in treats?
She was like she's the wholepage.
And I was like what does thatmean?
So then I had to go Google me,cause I've been Googling like my
company, like I don't Google me.
I know I did nothing too crazyout there, so I'll go and I
Google me and I see it too, likeit's just, you know, our SEO is
working Like you just keepscrolling, you keep seeing it.
(10:39):
I was like all right, cool, Ijust find it so interesting.
Cause I told him I said tellher if she has any questions.
She has access to the source.
Ask the source, whateverquestions you have.
And her response to me was I'lldo my research first and if I
have any questions I'll let youknow.
And I said, well, ain't thatsome shit?
Kevin Holmes (10:58):
Hey man, look these little young
whippersnappers when they cometo doing real research and not
just looking at a 15 minutesnippet.
You have all the resources atyour disposal, cause they will
never know about the Decibelsystem in the library.
They will never have to checkout a library book, never.
They will never have to reallyreally learn the APA or MLA
(11:22):
format.
They will never have to do itin Chicago style or whatever
they would never have to learnall of them.
Nah, man, it's too easy.
They got programs for that now.
Chantée Christian (11:30):
I'm jealous.
That's who I am.
I am a jealous person becausethat shit was exhausting, always
got me in trouble with mypapers, especially when I had to
print them out and the marginsweren't right.
They'll never have tounderstand what that is.
Nah, nah, shit's crazy.
But yeah, and then I wastalking to someone today and she
said that her 12 year oldhelped her vet me out and I was
(11:52):
like yo, these kids, they'rekids, right, like we're talking
about 10, 11, 12 year olds andyou're vetting whole ass adults.
Kevin Holmes (12:01):
Yeah, but they're having these conversations in
school with their friends, likeso you got a bunch of smart
know-it-all kids that have alittle bit of access.
And I'm not talking abouteverybody else, kid, I'm talking
about my child Talking about mychild, and he kind of sways
between damn, he's a rock star,I love him to death to just be
(12:23):
an ungrateful somebody Becausethey take things for granted.
They will never know a dial uptelephone.
No, they will never know lifewithout president of color or
vice president of color.
They will never know what it'slike to have to depend on dial
(12:43):
up instead of Wi-Fi, right?
Oh, true.
Chantée Christian (12:47):
They'll never know any of that stuff.
Kevin Holmes (12:48):
They'll never see a desktop computer.
That's 300 pounds, that's allone unit.
They don't know what MS-DOS is.
You know what I'm saying.
They'll never know what afloppy disk is They'll never
know a 3x5 or the 5x, whateverfloppy, the floppy, floppy disk,
the floppy big floppy.
Chantée Christian (13:06):
They got the name from, not the hard card,
that's the 3x5.
Oh man, I used to play Will ofFortune.
On that my mom used to be likeget off the internet.
I'm like, but I need it.
Kevin Holmes (13:15):
See, see, they'll never know Oregon Trail.
They'll never know, like crazyman, they will never know legit
having to go into a target topurchase music.
Think about that, and mine, youlike places like Target didn't
carry music early on.
(13:35):
They kind of started to carrymusic to get upbeat with the
times Beating against CircuitCity, best Buy and all that
place.
But so I didn't even mentionthe record store.
Chantée Christian (13:45):
They won't even know what a Circuit City is
.
Kevin Holmes (13:48):
That's what we're dealing with now.
And so who are you Tell meabout yourself?
Like, if somebody younger thanme asked me that question today,
I still probably wouldn't knowwhat to say, because the times
have changed.
Yeah, like, okay.
Well, what do you want to knowspecifically?
What do you already know?
(14:08):
Am I a murderer?
No, I'm not a murderer, youknow.
Don't have a felony on myrecord.
None of that good stuff.
You know what I'm saying.
So, like, okay, so one, why areyou asking me the question?
First of all, what do you want?
See, this is, see, sean, I tellyou, teetering on the old head
spectrum now man, like you, likeright on the line, because
you're thinking like an old head, now man, that's what they call
(14:29):
, that's what they call peoplethat's older than you know,
maybe 25, they call them oldheads Listen.
Chantée Christian (14:36):
I knew that I was crossing over old head
world when I went to my cousin's30th birthday party last
weekend and Philly, I bought twooutfits.
Kevin Holmes (14:52):
And neither one of your outfits was really
appropriate for the event.
Chantée Christian (14:56):
The first one definitely was not appropriate.
I was like are you going to goto a speaking conference away?
Like no man, this is not it.
Okay, let's put this on up.
And then the other one.
It was like okay, well, I'veworn this to like a holiday
party before, but how did I wantto?
Kevin Holmes (15:11):
be free For 30-oh.
A holiday party for 30-oh?
No, okay, see, that's what see.
See, no, I got caught slipping,mike.
I got caught slipping and itwas cold.
Chantée Christian (15:21):
So I remember back in the day going outside,
barely got a coat on.
You know, trying to be cute,that was cute this.
No, I had my big coat on.
I was like we taking this goodUber and I'm going to keep
wrapped up until I get there andthe co-detendant said oh, we'll
take your coat.
Hold on, baby, you can't takemy coat.
And I said wait a minute, howold are you?
And I was like I got to get mypurse, I got to take stuff out
(15:43):
of my pocket.
Kevin Holmes (15:45):
Oh my.
Chantée Christian (15:46):
How
Kevin Holmes (15:48):
Are you pulling out, like your glasses,
peppermints, your phone, yourwallet, your lip gloss.
Maybe you needed some eyeshadowif you went to bed.
Next thing you know, the onepocket that you had was
overflowing because you took itall out your bag.
Chantée Christian (16:04):
Oh, I said, well, damn, and it was just so
interesting to just watch themparty, right.
And I was like damn, I rememberbeing 30 partying like this and
I mean I turned 40.
By the time this airs, I willalready be 40, right.
And I am like, damn, a wholedecade makes a difference when
(16:26):
you not in that decade, right?
So I'm looking at them likedamn, they knees is young, their
feet are still good, Like youknow.
It was just like, oh, buteverybody got a hairline.
Listen, all the dudes got hair,right, like they got hair, they
(16:47):
got hairlines.
And I'm just like, wow, this isso different, you know.
And I took joy in the littlemoments where somebody was like,
oh, you know her from college.
I was like God bless you.
Like what?
You drinking?
Let me go get you a drink,because God really is working
with you, because, no, boo, weknow, no, no, no.
But I, literally, in thatmoment, I was like yo, I'm not
(17:11):
as young as I used to be.
I think that's the point,though, shantay, oh, I'm glad
that I made it here.
Kevin Holmes (17:17):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's the point.
You know.
Tell me about yourself I'm notas young as I used to be, like
that's a fact.
Now, that's a fact.
You know that's not my truth.
You know air quotes.
You know that's not my truth.
No, that's a fact.
Chantée Christian (17:29):
I'm not as young as I used to be, that's a
fact with a capital F A, c, tbold underline made real big.
Kevin Holmes (17:37):
With the 100, the 100 sign under it.
Chantée Christian (17:40):
I mean because of the Friday night.
This is also when I knew right.
So Friday night one of myfriends had a birthday party at
a distillery.
I said, okay, we outside, I'mgonna go.
Saturday, we go to Philly formy cousin's party, like a whole
party at a bar club, Like theybought out the building.
All right, cool, Sunday we goto brunch.
By the time we got home onSunday, I said let me tell you
something.
I don't want to talk to nobody,I don't want to see nobody, I
(18:03):
want to get up underneath thisblanket and I want to go to
sleep.
And I said, hmm, there used tobe a time where I could roll.
It didn't matter how manyevents, it didn't matter how
many people, but I was like sure, this is not it.
Kevin Holmes (18:14):
Yeah, them days is over for me, man.
Let me ask you a question,Chantée, I know this is your
show and everything.
You, you, you supposed to beasking me the question.
I got a.
I got a question for you, right?
It's a conversation, what'sthat?
All right?
Well, check this out.
So people that meet me and haveinteracted and engaged with me
might lean on the fact thattheir perception of me that I'm
(18:36):
an extrovert I can see that,Right, you get communication
style.
You know I don't meet strangers, things like that, yeah, and I
would say when I was younger Iwould identify with that.
So I'm good in those spaces andin those places.
You know I'm comfortable.
But I don't know the older thatI get, it's like.
(18:59):
You know, I don't think I'm anextrovert, I think I'm an
introvert.
So my question for you isknowing me for 20 some years and
kind of seeing the good, thebad, the ugly, private, public,
all of the above, what say you?
Chantée Christian (19:19):
So in one of those accolades that I have, I
have a lot.
Kevin Holmes (19:24):
Wait a minute, you have a lot.
You have a lot.
Chantée Christian (19:26):
I have a lot, have a lot.
I am certified in MBTI.
So, myers-briggs, and somethingthat I learned that I didn't
understand about introvertextrovertism is that there are
tendencies, and some we growaccustomed to based off of the
environments that we're in, andsome not.
(19:47):
I say that to say when I usedto take it I would always fall
dead in the middle, because evenin my 20s, on a Friday night
after work, I want to go home,like I don't want to go out, but
on Saturday, after I've restedup, like, hit me up, let's go.
Let's go, let's go, let's go,let's go, let's go, let's go.
Right, and, similar to you, Igo out.
(20:11):
People think, oh, you know, shelikes to be out, she likes
people, she's into it anddrinking partner.
Kevin Holmes (20:15):
by the way, ladies and gentlemen, I just want to
put that out there, since wehave full disclosure in this
conversation.
That's my drinking partner.
So when she says she wasre-energized and invigorated,
they hit them streets.
It just fings it.
It's factual.
I don't even.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chantée Christian (20:35):
But I think that you are an exclusive
extrovert.
So what that means is that whenyou're around certain circles
and certain people, you are anextrovert, you have extrovert
energy, you have extrovert space.
However, when you have theopportunity to be secluded and
(20:56):
be alone, you're also cool withthat.
Kevin Holmes (20:59):
I love it, Chantée .
Chantée Christian (21:00):
I love it.
Yeah, so like and that's thething right Like being an
extrovert or being an introvertor having those tendencies, is
really based off of how do youget your energy right.
So if you recharge by beingaround people, then you have
more of an extroverted tendency,right.
But if you recharge being aloneand just chilling, then you
(21:24):
have more of an introvert energyand it wavers right.
Because I think the pandemicdid a number on people, right?
I agree, people who used tolove to go out and want to be
out.
After they got through the factthat they weren't going out,
when it was time to go back out,a lot of people were like no,
I'm good, I'm okay, I don't wantto go out there, I'm not trying
(21:46):
to get sick, I don't know you,I don't know where you've been,
how many people going to bethere?
They all, they have all thequestions that typically an
introverted person would ask.
The introverted people are likeyo, we got to get out here.
Like where are we at?
Y'all want to go?
I've been going crazy.
Kevin Holmes (22:00):
I don't even drink , I don't care.
Bottles on me, right theyliterally been flip-flopping.
Chantée Christian (22:05):
They literally been flip-flopping.
Because of that, I think thebalance is off right, but I
really do think that you areexclusively extroverted.
I don't see anything wrong withthat.
Kevin Holmes (22:19):
Nah, but I'm thinking about how to respond to
your question.
Tell me about yourself Am I, ama?
Is it ambivert, ambervert?
It's like a little bit of bothAmbivert.
Chantée Christian (22:31):
Well ammer.
Well it's, oh Lord.
What is it, ammerdectris, whenyou can use?
Kevin Holmes (22:36):
both hands.
Yeah, so ambivert.
Is it a B in there?
The B silent?
Listen.
We were just talking to theyoungsters about Google.
You got resources at yourdisposal and we about to find
out, See.
Chantée Christian (22:48):
You see how easy that was.
Kevin Holmes (22:50):
Look because.
Chantée Christian (22:50):
I didn't have to go get the Britannica guard
up.
Kevin Holmes (22:52):
Nah, man, you don't have to get.
Don't?
Nobody remember theencyclopedia Britannica man that
used to be my Google right ohwhat was the, what was the joint
when, like, people came onlineand Microsoft put one out, man
For AOL.
Nah, man, it was like Microsofthad put out like an
encyclopedia, but they hadcalled it something back in the
(23:13):
day, man.
Chantée Christian (23:14):
Damn, I'm going to have to research that I
don't know what the word is.
Kevin Holmes (23:18):
I think it's ambivert.
Am I on my tripping?
You might be right, it's not mylane.
You know what I'm saying.
I don't know if I'm pronouncingit right Ambivert.
Yeah, a person.
Chantée Christian (23:31):
Yeah, that's it yeah.
Kevin Holmes (23:32):
Yeah, a person whose personality has a balance
of extrovert and introvertfeatures.
Yep.
Chantée Christian (23:39):
Like ambiadextrous American
dictionary.
Yeah, yeah.
Kevin Holmes (23:43):
Yeah, yeah.
But so, z, you taught mesomething new today.
You know, I'm a.
I'm an extrovert, exclusiveextrovert that mean, I'm only
extroverted around exclusiveaudiences.
Chantée Christian (23:54):
Yeah, or you got some juice, I got some juice
, I was probably.
Kevin Holmes (23:59):
It's probably the latter, Chantée.
Chantée Christian (24:01):
I tell you it's probably the latter Juice
for everybody, juice foreverybody, you know, and it's so
funny because when I meetpeople, they rarely believe that
I'm shy and I'm like, if Idon't know you, I'm not about to
give you much more than asurface level of version of me.
Kevin Holmes (24:19):
This is fact.
I remember when I met you.
This is fact.
This is not the truth.
Air quotes this is a fact.
Chantée Christian (24:25):
It's a fact, right, and part of that was that
I don't trust people.
That's fair, right, and theypeople all over things.
Yeah, and I've been working ontrusting myself enough to have
discernment to know who and whento share what with you know,
but young I didn't know.
Kevin Holmes (24:42):
And I'm like nah I don't know you and you don't
need to know me, so tell meabout yourself.
Like you know, I don't easilytrust people.
Like you know, is that part ofthe narrative.
Now you know what I'm saying.
Chantée Christian (24:54):
I mean, I think now part of the narrative
is I'm a work in progress andthere's so many pieces to that
work and part of that is trust.
Most, I mean it's trusting meto be able to say maybe or maybe
not, versus just being reallystandoffish at first and people
(25:16):
like, oh, she's a bee.
Kevin Holmes (25:18):
sometimes but not really.
You might enjoy being a bee ifthe opportunity presents itself.
Chantée Christian (25:25):
Sometimes I mean, you know, I'll never
forget when I was going througha breakup and I had sent you
songs that I was like becauseman that joint.
Kevin Holmes (25:34):
It was depressing as hell.
But it was funny though,because, oh man, you can't you
know me, you can't give me likesomething serious and sad and
funny at the same time, causeyou know I'm always going to go
for the funny man.
I'll even even with my ownstuff.
Chantée Christian (25:52):
That shit was funny, like it was sad and it
was hilarious.
I'm like damn, but like I feellike to me, that's who you are.
Right, you're my friend that Ican depend on regardless of the
situation, and I know that evenat the saddest moments, we're
going to laugh about something.
Kevin Holmes (26:13):
Yo, and that's so funny because you know, my
sister passed last year, right,and the anniversary of her
passing is coming up, which istrippy because it's around your
birthday and like that.
So it's going to be a processfor me, right?
Yeah, but it's so funny becauseI remember going to the funeral
home, to part of the viewingroom, and I go in and I'm like
(26:36):
by myself, because people hadn'tcome in the room yet.
I'm just looking at her and I'm, of course, I'm devastated, but
then it was like an inside joke, it's funny.
I whisper over to her and say Ilove you and you're welcome.
And I say you're welcomebecause, like the running joke
inside of our family, my mom wasalways like yo, if you go out
(26:56):
and do something crazy, we'regoing to bury you in a dress,
right?
And ultimately, my motherselected a wonderful tuxedo for
my sister, right?
Chantée Christian (27:06):
Yeah.
Kevin Holmes (27:07):
And so I whispered over in her ear.
I said you're welcome, that'sme right here.
So you know, I'm always goingto air.
You can't never give me sad anddepressing and funny yeah, Ah
man, yeah, don't work that wayAll facts.
So then you're sending me, likeyou're sending me, like Lenny
(27:28):
Williams songs, man, I'm like,but nah, man, I didn't even
Lenny Williams right there, man,you know, you got, you got.
You need something a littlemore angry.
Yeah, Lenny Williams won'tangry in that song.
You need something a littlemore angry, man.
And then you angry though theyare mellow, but just just angry
enough.
Chantée Christian (27:45):
And then you went.
So Kevin also DJs, right, so Ido.
Kevin Holmes (27:49):
I picked it up during COVID as a as like a
hobby.
I just went online and I playedmusic from my computer and
people would listen.
And then Facebook startedpicking up on it and taking my
videos down Instagram, kickingme off.
But that turned in andtransitioned into I always
wanted to be a DJ.
I just like seeing people havefun.
(28:09):
You know what I mean and Iinvested in it and so, yes, I am
.
I am DJ K EV.
Yes.
Curator of exquisite vibes yes,and we'll get to all the other
stuff later.
But I guess tell me aboutyourself.
I'm a DJ.
You're a DJ, yes.
Adult, yes, adult.
Chantée Christian (28:28):
DJ.
Exactly, yeah, I'm on like as aDJ.
That's crazy, right?
Yeah, it's not crazy.
I mean, if you really thinkabout it, every party that y'all
had at the house it was yourplaylist.
Kevin Holmes (28:41):
That's.
I mean, that is true, I've kepta lot of parties going, listen,
listen, I've stopped.
I've stopped a lot of parties,but I've also kept.
We started the parties to keepthem going.
You know that's you know?
Chantée Christian (28:54):
Yeah, like I remember the first time I heard
John Legend's first album, wasthat one of your cookouts?
Kevin Holmes (29:00):
Oh, yeah, man, yeah, you know the crazy part
about that Chantée.
When he came out, I got, Ibought the album.
But I think I had just thealbum had just come out and I
was on a recruitment trip for aninstitution that I worked at in
Boston, in the New England area, and I went to go see John
Legend at the Roxy in Boston.
(29:20):
He did the whole album and itwas so crazy because, like you
know how, in your career andyour profession, or something
that you really have a love anda passion for and you've kind of
just prepared yourself for likethis moment you know what I'm
saying it's kind of like MichaelJackson moonwalking across the
stage or like Kobe Bryanthitting 81.
(29:43):
It's like, yo, I knew I was niceall the time.
I knew I was nice, yeah, andeverybody gets to see how nice I
am because, like, my journeybrought me to this moment.
That's like what I rememberabout John Legend and me playing
his album at that specificbarbecue.
Yeah, because I had literallyjust sung a few months prior and
(30:04):
it was dope.
Because, like the people atthat time in his career and it
was a diverse crowd, that wasour commonality they recognized
that John Legend was dope, atleast for his first album.
Like the first album, he alwaysgoing to be good with me
because of the first album.
Chantée Christian (30:20):
Yeah, ordinary people.
Yeah, that was the album.
Kevin Holmes (30:25):
So for me, I don't know, it's kind of like who am
I Tell me about yourself?
I like for people to have agood time.
I like to bring people together.
Yes, one of my tools happens tobe music on occasion.
Yeah Right, yeah yeah.
But so it's always.
You know, that's always beenlike a part of me, like if I see
(30:46):
something dope and I'm like yo,this is dope, I guess I'm an
ambassador for dope-ness as well.
Chantée Christian (30:51):
Come on ambassador for dope-ness, I am
Damn.
Kevin Holmes (30:54):
I got a trademark, that one, because I just came
up with that off the top.
Chantée Christian (30:59):
Let me write that down.
Ambassador for dope-ness yeah,but because?
Kevin Holmes (31:02):
it's always been a part of me.
You know it's crazy because I'ma podcast host as well, right,
yup, and part of that A dope-asspodcast.
I have a dope-ass podcast withmy partner man.
We'll get into that in a second.
But I also feel like I'vealways wanted to be like an
ambassador for good, forambassador for, not like the
(31:24):
American dream or like this iswhat you can do in your career.
It's like I want to be anambassador for people to just
feel good about the presentmoment, to feel good about
themselves Like it's a part ofwho I am.
Do you communicate that withthat question?
Is that my response, Chantée?
That I'm an ambassador ofdope-ness?
Chantée Christian (31:46):
Yo, I mean, I think that that is a
conversation starter.
So it depends if you try tohave a conversation Right.
Because somebody, because, likehearing, I'm an ambassador for
dope-ness people are like, ohshit, like what does that mean?
And then you go into what, likeall the dope shit that you do,
(32:06):
or do you say you know what?
It's an experience and the moreyou get to know me, the more
that you'll see.
Right, there's layers, thereare layers.
Yeah, right, like I think aboutwhen we first met Uh-oh, here
we go, here we go, no.
And I just I remember saying to,I remember saying to Ash like
(32:31):
who are these people?
Where do you want me to go?
Why are we going here?
And she was like, hey, justcome.
I'm like fine, it was cold.
I was like why are we doingthis?
And I can't remember if we wentto Friday.
We went to Fridays after we didBecause we had went to like a
movie, it was like a screeningon campus or something like that
.
And then we went to Fridays andthose that know me know I like
(32:55):
to eat and so it's rare that I'ma go somewhere and go get no
salad.
And that was the conversationstarted.
That was the conversationstarted, right.
And I'm like, when you say that, I'm like, well, who am I?
I like to eat, right, I am afood.
I have always been a foodie.
And I remember you saying yo,you are right with me, you ain't
a whole rocker.
(33:15):
I remember that.
Kevin Holmes (33:19):
Yo, I remember that.
I remember like where we weresitting.
You know what I'm saying.
Chantée Christian (33:26):
Oh my gosh, hilarious Right.
But I say that to say thoughyou were dope, then You've
always been dope.
Kevin Holmes (33:34):
Did I know it though.
Chantée Christian (33:36):
Well, did you .
Kevin Holmes (33:39):
Honestly, I would probably say that my passion and
talent and skill was probablythere all along, but I also
believe that I had to go througha lot of experiences to put it
together in a manner that Icould recognize that I'm dope.
(34:01):
Tell me about yourself.
I'm dope.
I'm dope because of this, thatand the third.
I'm dope because of thisjourney that I'm on.
I'm dope because I've gonethrough and overcome different
experiences.
I'm dope because I listen toelders.
I'm dope because I love firstand think second.
Most of the time A lot of peopledon't feel good with that, yeah
(34:24):
, and so back then I probablywould not have resonated with me
.
I'll be honest with you.
So now, being a divorcee and aneligible bachelor, it's crazy.
Women have told me I'm handsome.
I mean have told me you're asexy man.
I'm like, really, because I'mlike yo.
(34:45):
I never thought of it in thatmanner.
You know what I'm saying.
I never thought about myself assexy.
I knew I was like puppy dog,cute because that's what I used
to get like back in the day highschool, college, whatever.
So I knew I wasn't ugly.
You know what I'm saying.
I never quite got like sexy orhandsome.
I got cute and honestly,chantay, I compared a baby's
(35:07):
cute.
I'm a grown man.
A puppy's cute.
Chantée Christian (35:11):
And now they've elevated you and you
didn't know what to do with it.
Kevin Holmes (35:14):
I'm elevated and I've been escalated and I don't
know.
So it's like yo.
So tell me about yourself.
I'm a sexy man from what I'vebeen told.
Hey, Right which ain't a badthing, you know, it's still man,
is that?
Is that something that I adoptand then becomes a part of me as
well?
Yeah, Is that part of my intro,part of my bio?
(35:36):
I?
Chantée Christian (35:36):
don't know, listen, you know what's so funny
and I hate that.
I hate this and I love thisbecause we're always in sync
about the wildest things.
And so in my journey to lovearticles that I was writing last
year, year before last, Ialways ended them with remember
your dope AF?
(35:57):
I remember, yeah, yeah, you did.
And the first time I wrote it Iwas like no, I can't say that.
And then I was like, no, youcan.
You can, because at the end ofthe day, if you don't believe it
, who the hell else is going tobelieve it?
Kevin Holmes (36:13):
Man, I never thought about it that way.
So let me ask you this Was thehesitancy around the vernacular
like the F bomb in the sign off,or was it really around your
belief in yourself, or your wantto people to kind of read that
line and it resonate Like youknow what I am and that a lot of
(36:36):
people don't think that way.
Chantée Christian (36:37):
I think it was all of it, Right, Like I was
like well, who's going to readthis?
Anybody that knows me really,really, really, really well
knows that the F bomb isprobably my favorite word.
Kevin Holmes (36:50):
Hey, yours and mine both.
Right, I got my honest, though,I got mine for my mother man.
My mother taught me how tocurse.
Listen, she didn't condone it,but she taught me.
Chantée Christian (36:59):
Listen, my dad was in the Army.
There was a point where everyother word he said was not.
I was like do you even have anyregular words?
Nope, no, no, right, it's theone I got caught for the first
time.
I was like are you serious?
Are you serious?
But it was part of that.
And then the other part was Iknow that I'm a cool person,
(37:20):
right, like, I'm cool to bearound, I'm fun, but I'm not
dope man.
You are a beautifully dopeperson, but you know, but like
to answer your question, right,it was a.
It was a pause, especiallybecause I hadn't dated in a
really long time and I felt likesome of my dopeness had left.
Kevin Holmes (37:42):
Like you know what I dig you.
I dig what you're sayingbecause, as a as you know, when
you tell somebody and you'retrying to get back on the dating
scene after you went through adivorce, the first question is
with them Damn, what's wrongwith your ass why she divorced
you.
You know what I'm saying, right, right.
Chantée Christian (38:00):
I get it, I get it.
And then to say not only do Ithink I'm dope, but I'm dope as
fuck yeah.
Kevin Holmes (38:08):
Because you, it's like you dope to like the power.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Chantée Christian (38:13):
I'm like ooh, I don't know.
And then I'm like I want peopleto read this and remember that
they are, though, because I hadforgotten that I was, and so it
was a constant reminder for meto say you are other people that
are reading this.
They are too, and if you keepseeing it which is why it was at
(38:35):
the end of every one of them ifyou keep seeing it, it'll start
to resonate, and it wasresonating for me.
It was resonating for peoplewho were going through similar
situations, but it was.
I literally struggled with do Iend with this or not?
Do I end with this or not?
Do I end with this or not?
And it was.
It was my own struggle, right,it was, it was me, but I was
(38:55):
just like oh, I'm going out here, I'm jumping into this cesspool
and, and that cesspool Yo, itwas.
It was.
It was pretty bad.
I mean, it was pretty bad, butit was pretty cool, like I had
fun.
But going into it, I was like Idon't know, because who I was
(39:18):
at 30 completely different thanwho I was at 35, who I was at 36
, 37, 38, 39.
And so to say I'm dope as fuck.
I'm like do I even know who Iam right now.
That's heavy.
And so then I had to go do somework on like well, who are you?
Because that was the question,like oh, what do you do?
Kevin Holmes (39:37):
Like exactly so that that is why I responded in
the manner that I did when youasked me the question.
Oh, I know, because with you,with you, I really like damn
what.
What could I say that you don'talready know?
Or what can I present of myselfto your audience that I'm
comfortable with sharing?
(39:58):
Yeah, like it's crazy, right.
And I think when you meetpeople and you're in new
environments, like we all havethat crossroads.
Chantée Christian (40:13):
Thank you for listening to this week's
episode of the my Best Shiftpodcast.
I really enjoyed talking withKevin about who we are, so much
so that we made it a two parter.
If you are wondering how thestory ends, be sure to tune in
to part two, aka Episode Four,where we go even deeper.
Hello good people.
This is Chantée Christian, andyou are listening to the my Best
Shift Podcast.
When you put the two of ustogether, we could talk for
(00:23):
hours, so we ended up with atwo-parter.
In this first episode, Kevinand I talk about who we are to
so many people, includingourselves.
Hey, Kevin.
Kevin Holmes (00:39):
With the dilly, yo with the dilly.
Chantée Christian (00:42):
Oh, my goodness, I'm so excited for you
to be on this season fourpodcast with me.
Kevin Holmes (00:48):
Season four.
That's tough, man, that's allright.
That's all right, man.
It wasn't grand opening, grandclosing, man.
You're still going.
Four seasons man, you're aseason vet now.
Chantée Christian (00:59):
Four seasons, yes, but before we get into the
weeds of just our conversation,why don't you tell the people a
little bit about yourself?
Kevin Holmes (01:09):
Oh, wow, man, Tell me about yourself.
I feel like I'm in aninternship prep interview.
Tell me about yourself.
I used to hate that questionBack in the day, man.
You would get ready, you gothrough like a career workshop
or getting ready for that firstjob.
Tell me about yourself, becausethen, as you get older,
(01:30):
everybody wants you to give anintroduction about yourself, but
it's never really authentic.
It's like I do this.
I've been here, I'm going here,this is where I work.
This is my phone number If youneed to get in contact with me
during the day.
This is my phone number.
At night, I'm going to emailaddress.
(01:52):
Now, that's LinkedIn, that'swhat we now know as LinkedIn.
Now, that's true.
Long story short man.
I am, most importantly, afriend and a brother of one,
miss Chantée Christian.
You know what I'm saying.
I think, if anything, peopleneed to know that upfront.
Chantée Christian (02:10):
Yes, over 20 years of friendship.
Kevin Holmes (02:13):
Exactly that's very, very important to me, and
so I'm a son, I'm a brother, I'ma father, I am a podcast host
as well, I am a higher edexecutive as well.
At the end of the day, I'm justcare.
I think I've been doing a lotto try to have the ability to be
(02:35):
care in all of those differentspaces that I mentioned.
You know, originally from theHampton Roads area of Virginia,
George Mason Alarm, master's inundergrad, brother of Phi Beta
Sigma fraternity, incorporatedmyself and I don't know, man,
like, when people ask you thatquestion, Chantée, it's crazy
(02:57):
because, like I think, theanswer or the response may
differ depending on theenvironment that you're in,
absolutely.
And so for you to ask me thatquestion and you kind of know,
like the lifespan in the circlearound me, it's like, wow, how
do I respond to that?
Chantée Christian (03:15):
I don't know.
You know, I used to hate thisquestion too, and then I had
started dating.
Kevin Holmes (03:22):
Yeah, that'll do it.
That'll do it as well.
Chantée Christian (03:25):
And I had to practice like who do I want you
to know?
Right, and it depends on whothe guy was, how open I would be
about me, right, like I'm likeI give you a little snippet here
or there.
And then I had to get reallycomfortable with like who I am
outside of work and I was like,well, shit, I don't know.
(03:46):
Like you said, right, I'm adaughter, I'm a friend, I'm
pretty dope, but you got to getto know me because I could be
like you know a little B, butbut even still, it's like, yeah,
I'm dope, but I might not evenwant you to know that level of
my dope-ness.
Kevin Holmes (04:03):
You know, like, what's my man?
What's my man?
Is it Kevin on stage?
You, like, you know, have, haveratchet, have righteous yes,
like, depending on which day youask me I want, I might want to
be in my righteous lane or Imight want to be in my ratchet
lane because I'm both.
Chantée Christian (04:20):
Well and more right, like we're not linear,
yeah.
And so it's like well, tell mewhat you're looking for and I
can tell you what you need toknow to satisfy that itch, you
know.
And so like I hate, like nowthat we're back, you know, back
outside, I hate going tonetworking things, because the
(04:41):
first thing people would say, oh, so what do you do?
And I'm like, do I tell you thetruth, like the full truth, or
do I dumb it down?
And it depends on the person.
I'm like, do I want them tolike be shocked and all and walk
away, or do I want them to belike, oh, tell me more.
And then I'm like all right, wecan do this.
Kevin Holmes (04:58):
But you know, the weird part about that is like,
as you're telling people this,they're like fact checking you
in real time on their phone,like on all your social media,
and I guess it's strange to me.
I get it, it's the times right.
I don't like it.
But, it's still very strange tome because, like you and I are
talking and as we're talking, Iwas at a conference in New
(05:18):
Orleans a couple weeks ago andas I'm talking and talking to a
young brother there, he saw mytitle and where I work and
everything and had somequestions.
And as I'm talking to him andresponding to his questions, he
then like legit on LinkedInright there.
Well, yeah, do you have a?
You know what's your Twitterhand?
(05:38):
I said, well, I'm really notactive on Twitter.
Why are you not active onTwitter?
Because I really don't careabout your opinion that much, or
people like followingeverything that I do.
I mean, like, really the onlyreason I'm, I think I'm on
social media now and this islike the old head in me.
I'm also I guess I would beconsidered middle age now.
(06:01):
Shantae, you know I'm in my 40s, I'm 42 years old, I'm a
Scorpio, you know, like, likeI'm going back to your question,
I'm a Scorpio, 42, you know youshould start there.
You know I'm saying I love longwalks on the beach.
Oh, my God, I like to share icecream sundaes.
You know, maybe we could sharea burrito bowl at your Pope,
(06:26):
like you know saying I'm tryingto.
You know, watch my health.
My salt intake can't be thatmuch or that high.
Chantée Christian (06:32):
This is why you're fav.
Kevin Holmes (06:36):
Yo, I just had you know.
I just had my eyes examined.
Right, my eyes checked.
I'm in multifocal lenses now.
Shantae, like that's the.
That's the detriment of gettingolder.
Chantée Christian (06:49):
Is that the new word for buy focus?
Kevin Holmes (06:51):
I don't know.
I don't know because I had a.
You know I wear contact, so Ihad to get a contact fitting.
But I didn't know they.
I didn't know you could havelike multifocal stuff in your
contact lenses, because I wasscared to death that they was
like nah man, you can't wearcontact no more.
You got to get some reading gasor you got to get my
prescription already thick, soit's going to be thicker and
then I'm going to have that bigline in between it.
(07:11):
I got to.
I got to move in and out withmy hand reading everything,
because I was already having nosymptoms.
You know what I'm saying and soI'm thinking like Damn yo it.
Like tell me about yourself.
Like yo, I guess I was nearsighted.
Now I'm far sighted and I'm inmultifocal contact lenses and I
(07:32):
thought I was gonna pay $49 fora regular contact fitting and
they asked me they said is thisa regular fitting?
Do you have a stigmatism?
No, I don't have a stigmatism.
But then the multifocal lensfitting was more expensive than
if I had a stigmatism.
So you know, my co-pay at theeye doctor went from $39.95 or
(07:53):
$40 to $130.
Like, do I tell you in responseto your question, with like
that kind of background about me, it's like the state firm,
commercial, like we don't needto know everything, we just need
to know the basics.
But what do you say?
Chantée Christian (08:06):
Yeah, that's real right.
Like I think, like you said, itdepends, right, Part of the
challenge is that we've knowneach other since 2001.
So you telling me aboutyourself, there are gonna be
some things that I'm like, ohfor real, I didn't know that.
But like, we know each otherright and so it's like your
(08:32):
basics for me would be differentfor your basics for a
networking event, someone atwork, somebody that you met at a
bar you know what I mean.
Kevin Holmes (08:40):
I try to learn from those people too.
I try to stay away from them,yeah.
Chantée Christian (08:45):
But I mean it's I think that and it's
something that I don't even workwith my clients on like who am
I Right, because we change somuch throughout a year, let
alone a day, right?
So, like you said, somebody waslike hey, I wanna talk to you.
I've never met the personbefore they found me on LinkedIn
(09:07):
.
I was like okay, cool, theystarted reading me, to me my bio
, and I was like kinda creepy,but okay.
Kevin Holmes (09:14):
That is weird.
I mean, they did their research, so that's a good thing, I
would assume.
Chantée Christian (09:19):
I would assume.
But like, maybe be a littlemore discreet about it, right?
Like I'm pretty aware of thethings that are in my bio.
So, as you are reading to methe things that I wrote in my
bio, I'm like I said well, wheredid you pull that from?
Kevin Holmes (09:35):
You have your undergraduate degree from here.
You have your MBA.
Really, you have this cert,that cert.
You've been a professional inthis space for this long.
You know it's kinda trippy manbecause like these are the
social skills that people aredeveloping.
Chantée Christian (09:51):
So I'm like we're doing people such a
disservice because even the guyI'm dating right now his
daughter Googled me.
That shit tripped me out Likeshe's 11.
Kevin Holmes (10:05):
now I love the enthusiasm, the intent and the
background check she did on thewoman that her father is dating.
That's some cold bloody stuffright there, man.
That's cold bloody.
Chantée Christian (10:17):
Like I said, what did she find?
What's in treats?
She was like she's the wholepage.
And I was like what does thatmean?
So then I had to go Google me,cause I've been Googling like my
company, like I don't Google me.
I know I did nothing too crazyout there, so I'll go and I
Google me and I see it too, likeit's just, you know, our SEO is
working Like you just keepscrolling, you keep seeing it.
(10:39):
I was like all right, cool, Ijust find it so interesting.
Cause I told him I said tellher if she has any questions.
She has access to the source.
Ask the source, whateverquestions you have.
And her response to me was I'lldo my research first and if I
have any questions I'll let youknow.
And I said, well, ain't thatsome shit?
Kevin Holmes (10:58):
Hey man, look these little young
whippersnappers when they cometo doing real research and not
just looking at a 15 minutesnippet.
You have all the resources atyour disposal, cause they will
never know about the Decibelsystem in the library.
They will never have to checkout a library book, never.
They will never have to reallyreally learn the APA or MLA
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format.
They will never have to do itin Chicago style or whatever
they would never have to learnall of them.
Nah, man, it's too easy.
They got programs for that now.
Chantée Christian (11:30):
I'm jealous.
That's who I am.
I am a jealous person becausethat shit was exhausting, always
got me in trouble with mypapers, especially when I had to
print them out and the marginsweren't right.
They'll never have tounderstand what that is.
Nah, nah, shit's crazy.
But yeah, and then I wastalking to someone today and she
said that her 12 year oldhelped her vet me out and I was
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like yo, these kids, they'rekids, right, like we're talking
about 10, 11, 12 year olds andyou're vetting whole ass adults.
Kevin Holmes (12:01):
Yeah, but they're having these conversations in
school with their friends, likeso you got a bunch of smart
know-it-all kids that have alittle bit of access.
And I'm not talking abouteverybody else, kid, I'm talking
about my child Talking about mychild, and he kind of sways
between damn, he's a rock star,I love him to death to just be
(12:23):
an ungrateful somebody Becausethey take things for granted.
They will never know a dial uptelephone.
No, they will never know lifewithout president of color or
vice president of color.
They will never know what it'slike to have to depend on dial
(12:43):
up instead of Wi-Fi, right?
Oh, true.
Chantée Christian (12:47):
They'll never know any of that stuff.
Kevin Holmes (12:48):
They'll never see a desktop computer.
That's 300 pounds, that's allone unit.
They don't know what MS-DOS is.
You know what I'm saying.
They'll never know what afloppy disk is They'll never
know a 3x5 or the 5x, whateverfloppy, the floppy, floppy disk,
the floppy big floppy.
Chantée Christian (13:06):
They got the name from, not the hard card,
that's the 3x5.
Oh man, I used to play Will ofFortune.
On that my mom used to be likeget off the internet.
I'm like, but I need it.
Kevin Holmes (13:15):
See, see, they'll never know Oregon Trail.
They'll never know, like crazyman, they will never know legit
having to go into a target topurchase music.
Think about that, and mine, youlike places like Target didn't
carry music early on.
(13:35):
They kind of started to carrymusic to get upbeat with the
times Beating against CircuitCity, best Buy and all that
place.
But so I didn't even mentionthe record store.
Chantée Christian (13:45):
They won't even know what a Circuit City is
.
Kevin Holmes (13:48):
That's what we're dealing with now.
And so who are you Tell meabout yourself?
Like, if somebody younger thanme asked me that question today,
I still probably wouldn't knowwhat to say, because the times
have changed.
Yeah, like, okay.
Well, what do you want to knowspecifically?
What do you already know?
(14:08):
Am I a murderer?
No, I'm not a murderer, youknow.
Don't have a felony on myrecord.
None of that good stuff.
You know what I'm saying.
So, like, okay, so one, why areyou asking me the question?
First of all, what do you want?
See, this is, see, sean, I tellyou, teetering on the old head
spectrum now man, like you, likeright on the line, because
you're thinking like an old head, now man, that's what they call
(14:29):
, that's what they call peoplethat's older than you know,
maybe 25, they call them oldheads Listen.
Chantée Christian (14:36):
I knew that I was crossing over old head
world when I went to my cousin's30th birthday party last
weekend and Philly, I bought twooutfits.
Kevin Holmes (14:52):
And neither one of your outfits was really
appropriate for the event.
Chantée Christian (14:56):
The first one definitely was not appropriate.
I was like are you going to goto a speaking conference away?
Like no man, this is not it.
Okay, let's put this on up.
And then the other one.
It was like okay, well, I'veworn this to like a holiday
party before, but how did I wantto?
Kevin Holmes (15:11):
be free For 30-oh.
A holiday party for 30-oh?
No, okay, see, that's what see.
See, no, I got caught slipping,mike.
I got caught slipping and itwas cold.
Chantée Christian (15:21):
So I remember back in the day going outside,
barely got a coat on.
You know, trying to be cute,that was cute this.
No, I had my big coat on.
I was like we taking this goodUber and I'm going to keep
wrapped up until I get there andthe co-detendant said oh, we'll
take your coat.
Hold on, baby, you can't takemy coat.
And I said wait a minute, howold are you?
And I was like I got to get mypurse, I got to take stuff out
(15:43):
of my pocket.
Kevin Holmes (15:45):
Oh my.
Chantée Christian (15:46):
How
Kevin Holmes (15:48):
Are you pulling out, like your glasses,
peppermints, your phone, yourwallet, your lip gloss.
Maybe you needed some eyeshadowif you went to bed.
Next thing you know, the onepocket that you had was
overflowing because you took itall out your bag.
Chantée Christian (16:04):
Oh, I said, well, damn, and it was just so
interesting to just watch themparty, right.
And I was like damn, I rememberbeing 30 partying like this and
I mean I turned 40.
By the time this airs, I willalready be 40, right.
And I am like, damn, a wholedecade makes a difference when
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you not in that decade, right?
So I'm looking at them likedamn, they knees is young, their
feet are still good, Like youknow.
It was just like, oh, buteverybody got a hairline.
Listen, all the dudes got hair,right, like they got hair, they
(16:47):
got hairlines.
And I'm just like, wow, this isso different, you know.
And I took joy in the littlemoments where somebody was like,
oh, you know her from college.
I was like God bless you.
Like what?
You drinking?
Let me go get you a drink,because God really is working
with you, because, no, boo, weknow, no, no, no.
But I, literally, in thatmoment, I was like yo, I'm not
(17:11):
as young as I used to be.
I think that's the point,though, shantay, oh, I'm glad
that I made it here.
Kevin Holmes (17:17):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's the point.
You know.
Tell me about yourself I'm notas young as I used to be, like
that's a fact.
Now, that's a fact.
You know that's not my truth.
You know air quotes.
You know that's not my truth.
No, that's a fact.
Chantée Christian (17:29):
I'm not as young as I used to be, that's a
fact with a capital F A, c, tbold underline made real big.
Kevin Holmes (17:37):
With the 100, the 100 sign under it.
Chantée Christian (17:40):
I mean because of the Friday night.
This is also when I knew right.
So Friday night one of myfriends had a birthday party at
a distillery.
I said, okay, we outside, I'mgonna go.
Saturday, we go to Philly formy cousin's party, like a whole
party at a bar club, Like theybought out the building.
All right, cool, Sunday we goto brunch.
By the time we got home onSunday, I said let me tell you
something.
I don't want to talk to nobody,I don't want to see nobody, I
(18:03):
want to get up underneath thisblanket and I want to go to
sleep.
And I said, hmm, there used tobe a time where I could roll.
It didn't matter how manyevents, it didn't matter how
many people, but I was like sure, this is not it.
Kevin Holmes (18:14):
Yeah, them days is over for me, man.
Let me ask you a question,Chantée, I know this is your
show and everything.
You, you, you supposed to beasking me the question.
I got a.
I got a question for you, right?
It's a conversation, what'sthat?
All right?
Well, check this out.
So people that meet me and haveinteracted and engaged with me
might lean on the fact thattheir perception of me that I'm
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an extrovert I can see that,Right, you get communication
style.
You know I don't meet strangers, things like that, yeah, and I
would say when I was younger Iwould identify with that.
So I'm good in those spaces andin those places.
You know I'm comfortable.
But I don't know the older thatI get, it's like.
(18:59):
You know, I don't think I'm anextrovert, I think I'm an
introvert.
So my question for you isknowing me for 20 some years and
kind of seeing the good, thebad, the ugly, private, public,
all of the above, what say you?
Chantée Christian (19:19):
So in one of those accolades that I have, I
have a lot.
Kevin Holmes (19:24):
Wait a minute, you have a lot.
You have a lot.
Chantée Christian (19:26):
I have a lot, have a lot.
I am certified in MBTI.
So, myers-briggs, and somethingthat I learned that I didn't
understand about introvertextrovertism is that there are
tendencies, and some we growaccustomed to based off of the
environments that we're in, andsome not.
(19:47):
I say that to say when I usedto take it I would always fall
dead in the middle, because evenin my 20s, on a Friday night
after work, I want to go home,like I don't want to go out, but
on Saturday, after I've restedup, like, hit me up, let's go.
Let's go, let's go, let's go,let's go, let's go, let's go.
Right, and, similar to you, Igo out.
(20:11):
People think, oh, you know, shelikes to be out, she likes
people, she's into it anddrinking partner.
Kevin Holmes (20:15):
by the way, ladies and gentlemen, I just want to
put that out there, since wehave full disclosure in this
conversation.
That's my drinking partner.
So when she says she wasre-energized and invigorated,
they hit them streets.
It just fings it.
It's factual.
I don't even.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chantée Christian (20:35):
But I think that you are an exclusive
extrovert.
So what that means is that whenyou're around certain circles
and certain people, you are anextrovert, you have extrovert
energy, you have extrovert space.
However, when you have theopportunity to be secluded and
(20:56):
be alone, you're also cool withthat.
Kevin Holmes (20:59):
I love it, Chantée .
Chantée Christian (21:00):
I love it.
Yeah, so like and that's thething right Like being an
extrovert or being an introvertor having those tendencies, is
really based off of how do youget your energy right.
So if you recharge by beingaround people, then you have
more of an extroverted tendency,right.
But if you recharge being aloneand just chilling, then you
(21:24):
have more of an introvert energyand it wavers right.
Because I think the pandemicdid a number on people, right?
I agree, people who used tolove to go out and want to be
out.
After they got through the factthat they weren't going out,
when it was time to go back out,a lot of people were like no,
I'm good, I'm okay, I don't wantto go out there, I'm not trying
(21:46):
to get sick, I don't know you,I don't know where you've been,
how many people going to bethere?
They all, they have all thequestions that typically an
introverted person would ask.
The introverted people are likeyo, we got to get out here.
Like where are we at?
Y'all want to go?
I've been going crazy.
Kevin Holmes (22:00):
I don't even drink , I don't care.
Bottles on me, right theyliterally been flip-flopping.
Chantée Christian (22:05):
They literally been flip-flopping.
Because of that, I think thebalance is off right, but I
really do think that you areexclusively extroverted.
I don't see anything wrong withthat.
Kevin Holmes (22:19):
Nah, but I'm thinking about how to respond to
your question.
Tell me about yourself Am I, ama?
Is it ambivert, ambervert?
It's like a little bit of bothAmbivert.
Chantée Christian (22:31):
Well ammer.
Well it's, oh Lord.
What is it, ammerdectris, whenyou can use?
Kevin Holmes (22:36):
both hands.
Yeah, so ambivert.
Is it a B in there?
The B silent?
Listen.
We were just talking to theyoungsters about Google.
You got resources at yourdisposal and we about to find
out, See.
Chantée Christian (22:48):
You see how easy that was.
Kevin Holmes (22:50):
Look because.
Chantée Christian (22:50):
I didn't have to go get the Britannica guard
up.
Kevin Holmes (22:52):
Nah, man, you don't have to get.
Don't?
Nobody remember theencyclopedia Britannica man that
used to be my Google right ohwhat was the, what was the joint
when, like, people came onlineand Microsoft put one out, man
For AOL.
Nah, man, it was like Microsofthad put out like an
encyclopedia, but they hadcalled it something back in the
(23:13):
day, man.
Chantée Christian (23:14):
Damn, I'm going to have to research that I
don't know what the word is.
Kevin Holmes (23:18):
I think it's ambivert.
Am I on my tripping?
You might be right, it's not mylane.
You know what I'm saying.
I don't know if I'm pronouncingit right Ambivert.
Yeah, a person.
Chantée Christian (23:31):
Yeah, that's it yeah.
Kevin Holmes (23:32):
Yeah, a person whose personality has a balance
of extrovert and introvertfeatures.
Yep.
Chantée Christian (23:39):
Like ambiadextrous American
dictionary.
Yeah, yeah.
Kevin Holmes (23:43):
Yeah, yeah.
But so, z, you taught mesomething new today.
You know, I'm a.
I'm an extrovert, exclusiveextrovert that mean, I'm only
extroverted around exclusiveaudiences.
Chantée Christian (23:54):
Yeah, or you got some juice, I got some juice
, I was probably.
Kevin Holmes (23:59):
It's probably the latter, Chantée.
Chantée Christian (24:01):
I tell you it's probably the latter Juice
for everybody, juice foreverybody, you know, and it's so
funny because when I meetpeople, they rarely believe that
I'm shy and I'm like, if Idon't know you, I'm not about to
give you much more than asurface level of version of me.
Kevin Holmes (24:19):
This is fact.
I remember when I met you.
This is fact.
This is not the truth.
Air quotes this is a fact.
Chantée Christian (24:25):
It's a fact, right, and part of that was that
I don't trust people.
That's fair, right, and theypeople all over things.
Yeah, and I've been working ontrusting myself enough to have
discernment to know who and whento share what with you know,
but young I didn't know.
Kevin Holmes (24:42):
And I'm like nah I don't know you and you don't
need to know me, so tell meabout yourself.
Like you know, I don't easilytrust people.
Like you know, is that part ofthe narrative.
Now you know what I'm saying.
Chantée Christian (24:54):
I mean, I think now part of the narrative
is I'm a work in progress andthere's so many pieces to that
work and part of that is trust.
Most, I mean it's trusting meto be able to say maybe or maybe
not, versus just being reallystandoffish at first and people
(25:16):
like, oh, she's a bee.
Kevin Holmes (25:18):
sometimes but not really.
You might enjoy being a bee ifthe opportunity presents itself.
Chantée Christian (25:25):
Sometimes I mean, you know, I'll never
forget when I was going througha breakup and I had sent you
songs that I was like becauseman that joint.
Kevin Holmes (25:34):
It was depressing as hell.
But it was funny though,because, oh man, you can't you
know me, you can't give me likesomething serious and sad and
funny at the same time, causeyou know I'm always going to go
for the funny man.
I'll even even with my ownstuff.
Chantée Christian (25:52):
That shit was funny, like it was sad and it
was hilarious.
I'm like damn, but like I feellike to me, that's who you are.
Right, you're my friend that Ican depend on regardless of the
situation, and I know that evenat the saddest moments, we're
going to laugh about something.
Kevin Holmes (26:13):
Yo, and that's so funny because you know, my
sister passed last year, right,and the anniversary of her
passing is coming up, which istrippy because it's around your
birthday and like that.
So it's going to be a processfor me, right?
Yeah, but it's so funny becauseI remember going to the funeral
home, to part of the viewingroom, and I go in and I'm like
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by myself, because people hadn'tcome in the room yet.
I'm just looking at her and I'm, of course, I'm devastated, but
then it was like an inside joke, it's funny.
I whisper over to her and say Ilove you and you're welcome.
And I say you're welcomebecause, like the running joke
inside of our family, my mom wasalways like yo, if you go out
(26:56):
and do something crazy, we'regoing to bury you in a dress,
right?
And ultimately, my motherselected a wonderful tuxedo for
my sister, right?
Chantée Christian (27:06):
Yeah.
Kevin Holmes (27:07):
And so I whispered over in her ear.
I said you're welcome, that'sme right here.
So you know, I'm always goingto air.
You can't never give me sad anddepressing and funny yeah, Ah
man, yeah, don't work that wayAll facts.
So then you're sending me, likeyou're sending me, like Lenny
(27:28):
Williams songs, man, I'm like,but nah, man, I didn't even
Lenny Williams right there, man,you know, you got, you got.
You need something a littlemore angry.
Yeah, Lenny Williams won'tangry in that song.
You need something a littlemore angry, man.
And then you angry though theyare mellow, but just just angry
enough.
Chantée Christian (27:45):
And then you went.
So Kevin also DJs, right, so Ido.
Kevin Holmes (27:49):
I picked it up during COVID as a as like a
hobby.
I just went online and I playedmusic from my computer and
people would listen.
And then Facebook startedpicking up on it and taking my
videos down Instagram, kickingme off.
But that turned in andtransitioned into I always
wanted to be a DJ.
I just like seeing people havefun.
(28:09):
You know what I mean and Iinvested in it and so, yes, I am
.
I am DJ K EV.
Yes.
Curator of exquisite vibes yes,and we'll get to all the other
stuff later.
But I guess tell me aboutyourself.
I'm a DJ.
You're a DJ, yes.
Adult, yes, adult.
Chantée Christian (28:28):
DJ.
Exactly, yeah, I'm on like as aDJ.
That's crazy, right?
Yeah, it's not crazy.
I mean, if you really thinkabout it, every party that y'all
had at the house it was yourplaylist.
Kevin Holmes (28:41):
That's.
I mean, that is true, I've kepta lot of parties going, listen,
listen, I've stopped.
I've stopped a lot of parties,but I've also kept.
We started the parties to keepthem going.
You know that's you know?
Chantée Christian (28:54):
Yeah, like I remember the first time I heard
John Legend's first album, wasthat one of your cookouts?
Kevin Holmes (29:00):
Oh, yeah, man, yeah, you know the crazy part
about that Chantée.
When he came out, I got, Ibought the album.
But I think I had just thealbum had just come out and I
was on a recruitment trip for aninstitution that I worked at in
Boston, in the New England area, and I went to go see John
Legend at the Roxy in Boston.
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He did the whole album and itwas so crazy because, like you
know how, in your career andyour profession, or something
that you really have a love anda passion for and you've kind of
just prepared yourself for likethis moment you know what I'm
saying it's kind of like MichaelJackson moonwalking across the
stage or like Kobe Bryanthitting 81.
(29:43):
It's like, yo, I knew I was niceall the time.
I knew I was nice, yeah, andeverybody gets to see how nice I
am because, like, my journeybrought me to this moment.
That's like what I rememberabout John Legend and me playing
his album at that specificbarbecue.
Yeah, because I had literallyjust sung a few months prior and
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it was dope.
Because, like the people atthat time in his career and it
was a diverse crowd, that wasour commonality they recognized
that John Legend was dope, atleast for his first album.
Like the first album, he alwaysgoing to be good with me
because of the first album.
Chantée Christian (30:20):
Yeah, ordinary people.
Yeah, that was the album.
Kevin Holmes (30:25):
So for me, I don't know, it's kind of like who am
I Tell me about yourself?
I like for people to have agood time.
I like to bring people together.
Yes, one of my tools happens tobe music on occasion.
Yeah Right, yeah yeah.
But so it's always.
You know, that's always beenlike a part of me, like if I see
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something dope and I'm like yo,this is dope, I guess I'm an
ambassador for dope-ness as well.
Chantée Christian (30:51):
Come on ambassador for dope-ness, I am
Damn.
Kevin Holmes (30:54):
I got a trademark, that one, because I just came
up with that off the top.
Chantée Christian (30:59):
Let me write that down.
Ambassador for dope-ness yeah,but because?
Kevin Holmes (31:02):
it's always been a part of me.
You know it's crazy because I'ma podcast host as well, right,
yup, and part of that A dope-asspodcast.
I have a dope-ass podcast withmy partner man.
We'll get into that in a second.
But I also feel like I'vealways wanted to be like an
ambassador for good, forambassador for, not like the
(31:24):
American dream or like this iswhat you can do in your career.
It's like I want to be anambassador for people to just
feel good about the presentmoment, to feel good about
themselves Like it's a part ofwho I am.
Do you communicate that withthat question?
Is that my response, Chantée?
That I'm an ambassador ofdope-ness?
Chantée Christian (31:46):
Yo, I mean, I think that that is a
conversation starter.
So it depends if you try tohave a conversation Right.
Because somebody, because, likehearing, I'm an ambassador for
dope-ness people are like, ohshit, like what does that mean?
And then you go into what, likeall the dope shit that you do,
(32:06):
or do you say you know what?
It's an experience and the moreyou get to know me, the more
that you'll see.
Right, there's layers, thereare layers.
Yeah, right, like I think aboutwhen we first met Uh-oh, here
we go, here we go, no.
And I just I remember saying to,I remember saying to Ash like
(32:31):
who are these people?
Where do you want me to go?
Why are we going here?
And she was like, hey, justcome.
I'm like fine, it was cold.
I was like why are we doingthis?
And I can't remember if we wentto Friday.
We went to Fridays after we didBecause we had went to like a
movie, it was like a screeningon campus or something like that
.
And then we went to Fridays andthose that know me know I like
(32:55):
to eat and so it's rare that I'ma go somewhere and go get no
salad.
And that was the conversationstarted.
That was the conversationstarted, right.
And I'm like, when you say that, I'm like, well, who am I?
I like to eat, right, I am afood.
I have always been a foodie.
And I remember you saying yo,you are right with me, you ain't
a whole rocker.
(33:15):
I remember that.
Kevin Holmes (33:19):
Yo, I remember that.
I remember like where we weresitting.
You know what I'm saying.
Chantée Christian (33:26):
Oh my gosh, hilarious Right.
But I say that to say thoughyou were dope, then You've
always been dope.
Kevin Holmes (33:34):
Did I know it though.
Chantée Christian (33:36):
Well, did you .
Kevin Holmes (33:39):
Honestly, I would probably say that my passion and
talent and skill was probablythere all along, but I also
believe that I had to go througha lot of experiences to put it
together in a manner that Icould recognize that I'm dope.
(34:01):
Tell me about yourself.
I'm dope.
I'm dope because of this, thatand the third.
I'm dope because of thisjourney that I'm on.
I'm dope because I've gonethrough and overcome different
experiences.
I'm dope because I listen toelders.
I'm dope because I love firstand think second.
Most of the time A lot of peopledon't feel good with that, yeah
(34:24):
, and so back then I probablywould not have resonated with me
.
I'll be honest with you.
So now, being a divorcee and aneligible bachelor, it's crazy.
Women have told me I'm handsome.
I mean have told me you're asexy man.
I'm like, really, because I'mlike yo.
(34:45):
I never thought of it in thatmanner.
You know what I'm saying.
I never thought about myself assexy.
I knew I was like puppy dog,cute because that's what I used
to get like back in the day highschool, college, whatever.
So I knew I wasn't ugly.
You know what I'm saying.
I never quite got like sexy orhandsome.
I got cute and honestly,chantay, I compared a baby's
(35:07):
cute.
I'm a grown man.
A puppy's cute.
Chantée Christian (35:11):
And now they've elevated you and you
didn't know what to do with it.
Kevin Holmes (35:14):
I'm elevated and I've been escalated and I don't
know.
So it's like yo.
So tell me about yourself.
I'm a sexy man from what I'vebeen told.
Hey, Right which ain't a badthing, you know, it's still man,
is that?
Is that something that I adoptand then becomes a part of me as
well?
Yeah, Is that part of my intro,part of my bio?
(35:36):
I?
Chantée Christian (35:36):
don't know, listen, you know what's so funny
and I hate that.
I hate this and I love thisbecause we're always in sync
about the wildest things.
And so in my journey to lovearticles that I was writing last
year, year before last, Ialways ended them with remember
your dope AF?
(35:57):
I remember, yeah, yeah, you did.
And the first time I wrote it Iwas like no, I can't say that.
And then I was like, no, youcan.
You can, because at the end ofthe day, if you don't believe it
, who the hell else is going tobelieve it?
Kevin Holmes (36:13):
Man, I never thought about it that way.
So let me ask you this Was thehesitancy around the vernacular
like the F bomb in the sign off,or was it really around your
belief in yourself, or your wantto people to kind of read that
line and it resonate Like youknow what I am and that a lot of
(36:36):
people don't think that way.
Chantée Christian (36:37):
I think it was all of it, Right, Like I was
like well, who's going to readthis?
Anybody that knows me really,really, really, really well
knows that the F bomb isprobably my favorite word.
Kevin Holmes (36:50):
Hey, yours and mine both.
Right, I got my honest, though,I got mine for my mother man.
My mother taught me how tocurse.
Listen, she didn't condone it,but she taught me.
Chantée Christian (36:59):
Listen, my dad was in the Army.
There was a point where everyother word he said was not.
I was like do you even have anyregular words?
Nope, no, no, right, it's theone I got caught for the first
time.
I was like are you serious?
Are you serious?
But it was part of that.
And then the other part was Iknow that I'm a cool person,
(37:20):
right, like, I'm cool to bearound, I'm fun, but I'm not
dope man.
You are a beautifully dopeperson, but you know, but like
to answer your question, right,it was a.
It was a pause, especiallybecause I hadn't dated in a
really long time and I felt likesome of my dopeness had left.
Kevin Holmes (37:42):
Like you know what I dig you.
I dig what you're sayingbecause, as a as you know, when
you tell somebody and you'retrying to get back on the dating
scene after you went through adivorce, the first question is
with them Damn, what's wrongwith your ass why she divorced
you.
You know what I'm saying, right, right.
Chantée Christian (38:00):
I get it, I get it.
And then to say not only do Ithink I'm dope, but I'm dope as
fuck yeah.
Kevin Holmes (38:08):
Because you, it's like you dope to like the power.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Chantée Christian (38:13):
I'm like ooh, I don't know.
And then I'm like I want peopleto read this and remember that
they are, though, because I hadforgotten that I was, and so it
was a constant reminder for meto say you are other people that
are reading this.
They are too, and if you keepseeing it which is why it was at
(38:35):
the end of every one of them ifyou keep seeing it, it'll start
to resonate, and it wasresonating for me.
It was resonating for peoplewho were going through similar
situations, but it was.
I literally struggled with do Iend with this or not?
Do I end with this or not?
Do I end with this or not?
And it was.
It was my own struggle, right,it was, it was me, but I was
(38:55):
just like oh, I'm going out here, I'm jumping into this cesspool
and, and that cesspool Yo, itwas.
It was.
It was pretty bad.
I mean, it was pretty bad, butit was pretty cool, like I had
fun.
But going into it, I was like Idon't know, because who I was
(39:18):
at 30 completely different thanwho I was at 35, who I was at 36
, 37, 38, 39.
And so to say I'm dope as fuck.
I'm like do I even know who Iam right now.
That's heavy.
And so then I had to go do somework on like well, who are you?
Because that was the question,like oh, what do you do?
Kevin Holmes (39:37):
Like exactly so that that is why I responded in
the manner that I did when youasked me the question.
Oh, I know, because with you,with you, I really like damn
what.
What could I say that you don'talready know?
Or what can I present of myselfto your audience that I'm
comfortable with sharing?
(39:58):
Yeah, like it's crazy, right.
And I think when you meetpeople and you're in new
environments, like we all havethat crossroads.
Chantée Christian (40:13):
Thank you for listening to this week's
episode of the my Best Shiftpodcast.
I really enjoyed talking withKevin about who we are, so much
so that we made it a two parter.
If you are wondering how thestory ends, be sure to tune in
to part two, aka Episode Four,where we go even deeper.
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