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September 19, 2025 42 mins

“An intelligent person takes in the facts, but a wise person listens to themselves and finds what truly fits.”

What does it mean to be intelligent, and what does it mean to be wise? In this episode, Theresa is joined by her son Luke for a heartfelt conversation about the differences between intelligence and wisdom, and how each one shapes the way we live, learn, and relate to others.

You’ll hear Luke reflect on his time as a student, the professors who modeled wisdom, and why learning to tune into our inner world and the people around us matters as much as any set of facts. They explore how being present, curious, and willing to integrate learning into daily life can move us closer to wisdom.

What you’ll learn:

→ How intelligence and wisdom show up differently in daily choices

→ Why self-awareness and reciprocity are signs of wisdom

→ The role of lifelong learning in becoming both informed and compassionate

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Episode Chapters

00:00 Welcome + today’s conversation

03:07 Intelligence vs wisdom

04:41 Defining wisdom through presence

10:25 Processing vs integrating information

14:48 Professors who modeled wisdom

20:49 Could they join the podcast?

25:05 Why outliers in research matter

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