Sister Wives S1 E1 - Meet Kody and the Wives - My Sister Wives Podcast

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Let me call you sweetheart. I'm in love with you.
What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You.
Shut it off. Do not twist my words.
Do not make me a victim, sweetie.
Just look at the mountain. That's what you saw that day.

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Just the knife and the kidneys over all these years and the
sacrifices that I made to love you.

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We just rewatched the first episode of Sister Wives and
season 1 episode one. It's called Meet Kody and the
Wives. That's the title, and it was
really interesting to go back. I kind of feel like we should
start with what our background is with the show and introduce
ourselves. So my name's Chris and I have

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seen Sister Wives the entire thing through.
I've rewatched part of it and I can get a little more into the
details on that, but I want to toss the mic to you, darling.
Oh my gosh, yes. And hi, I'm Allie.
I also have been a Sister Wives watcher from the very beginning.

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What I think it's kind of funny about us doing this rewatch
together is that we've been friends for half, 20 years and
we didn't know that we were bothwatching Sister Wives and were
fans of it. Yeah, for the duration of our
friendship. Yeah, we just learned this

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within the last couple of months.
So we've had the similar path with the show, but now we're
doing it together. Yes, and that's such a funny
point to bring up because I suspect there are other people
out there who, if they actually told people I watch this
horrible show called Sister Wives, then other people would
be like, I watch it too. Like it's like a guilty pleasure

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kind of thing, you know? Yeah, it's so crazy.
I've had similar situations. I brought it up in the last
building I lived in to a front, like around a bunch of people.
And one person was like, I totally watch Sister Wives and
they're like Robyn. And I'm like, I know Robyn.
Like we totally bonded over the whole thing and it was
ridiculous. But yeah, it's like an unspoken
thing for sure. Right.
Exactly. And so I first first introduced

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to the show because I was, oh, gosh, so many years ago, I was
at a friend's house and we had Netflix up and there was this
show Sister Wives. And I feel, I don't know if I'd
heard of it before that. I kind of suspect that I did.
But, you know, I don't know. We started watching it and we
immediately developed opinions about everybody.
And that's a good start to a show, you know?

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So we binge the first like two or three seasons were out.
And then I didn't watch the showagain for years and years until
I was somewhere in the future. And then I had a streaming
service. So I went back to wherever it
was that I left and watched it from there.
So I hadn't been watching it real time.
Have you been watching it real time?

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You know, now that you say it like that, I'm, I'm questioning
myself too, because I think it maybe was more similar to what
you did. I don't know that I was up on it
in the time. There was probably a time span
in which I binged A chunk anyway.
Yeah, but I feel like for the first several years of the show,

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I probably was watching it live.Yeah, OK, Yeah, yes, I, because
I remember hearing about it, I think when the show first came
out, like, you know, on Facebookor on social media, because this
was back in the day, because this first episode comes out in
2010. September 26th, 2010.
Yes, so 2010 and so I I guess that's a good opportunity to

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Fast forward to today, it is 2025 we are on a mid season
break of season 19 of Sister wives.
It is still on TLC today. Season 19, a very long show,
like most shows are not going tohave 19 seasons.
And it's funny how little happens in the show and so how

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it could have been around for solong.
It's so crazy. There's definitely going to be a
theme of our rewatch, I think ishow so many episodes.
It's like barely anything happens, but yet you're still
watching the show. It's crazy.
Even just this first episode that we just consumed again, I
there's a part of it that does make me wonder, like, how are we

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still talking about you? Yes, 100%.
I mean, it is a little baffling.It's really kind of weird.
But. And so right here we are today
the. Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,
2025. Yes, we're talking of all the
turmoil happening in the world. We are taking this evening to
sit down and watch Sister Wives and tell you about what we

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thought about it. So you're welcome.
But in today's world, we are midseason, season 19.
So they're in the next month or two, the show's gonna come back
and they're gonna wrap up this season.
Who knows what it's gonna be. I mean, they've shown some
promos, but that might be all that actually happens is what's
in the promos. Cuz it's definitely that show.
I mean. We're like, they're like next on
and then you don't even have to watch it because they just gave

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you what happens in the next time.
Like I feel like I've already seen this.
Yeah, yeah, cuz you already showed me you've.
Seen it 23 times. That's what the show is.
It's so crazy, but when you don't know these things, so this
is what's going to be interesting about this rewatch
as well is because we know so much what's going to happen.
We are not watching this for thefirst time.
Like, we know what the Browns are doing today, so where are we

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going to divulge things or what are we going to talk about?
Like, we don't know, but we're starting with some boundaries.
But what are those boundaries? I'm not sure.
No, when are we going to be screaming at the TV right now,
Kody? Right now is exactly when you
got it wrong. This is exactly where it started
to fuck up your whole family, and unfortunately you didn't pay

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attention, yes. So that's pretty much all it's
gonna be, yes. And it's documented.
There is, this is the thing. We are going to watch it.
You could literally be like Kody.
This is exactly what, here's another thing, here's this
thing. This is when this happened.
Just in the first episode. We're on the show.
It's crazy, crazy town. And so like, OK, Speaking of
Kody, that's how the episode starts is with our introduction

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to Kody Brown. And he is driving down the
street in his little white sports car, his two seater.
It's not a two seater Wiener Beamer because it's not a BMW.
It's a Mercedes, I believe. Lexus.
It's a Lexus, OK. Right, it's a Lexus.
I am a bad fan because I should have known that.
Yeah. Oh, that's bad.
That was OK. That's my big, my first big fuck

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up. So he's driving down the street
in this white Lexus and he's talking about being in a
polygamous family. And the what's going through my
mind is being the person, the producer slash cameraman who's
sitting in this little car with him while he's filming.
And the way he's talking about it, he has this like genuine
enthusiasm. I don't want to say genuine.
He has an enthusiasm. He's very much on, like he's on

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camera, like he's like doing histhing, but he's in this tiny
little car with another person with a camera.
It is cringe, it is cringe, it is uncomfortable, it is awkward.
I think I wrote down awkward like 17 times throughout the
other days. Yeah, it was.
There's just so many awkward moments and he started off
exactly like that. Yeah, and I was just like, lol

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ING at the idea of him in this car driving down the street
talking about his life, you know, like it's so the way he
would want his introduction to be at that time particularly
like, look at me, I'm so cool. Certainly had high opinions of
himself as he continues to this day.
Yeah, why anyway? But he was very, very much

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impressed with the fact that he has landed himself this TV show,
yes, that he is on the show. He has a camera crew in his car
and look at him go. Let me show you not just one
wife that I have, but I have 3 because I am so good.
That's what he came off as. I am so good I got 3 wives.

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Yeah, like I'm being rewarded. I'm so good at being a husband
that they gave me a second and athird.
That's. Exactly what he said.
Only the good ones get rewarded with additional wives.
What gross. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely
something. So then it like, it's like he
arrives at home and he's going from apartment to apartment
because in their home in Lehi, UT, First of all, this is set in

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Lehi, UT, which is an outer ringsuburb of Salt Lake City.
And so in the way in the show, it kind of drives me nuts.
They kind of portray it like they're out in the middle of
nowhere, like where we grew up, like hours away from a city.
And that's not true. They're like, you could commute
easily to Salt Lake City and work, you know, like that's a
little strange, but they go to this house that they live in.

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That's three apartments. And when Kody goes in and he's
like introducing the house room to room, and I noted like how
bad the lighting was, like none of the rooms were production
lit. All of the wives, when he's
introducing them seemed to be like almost startled, like they
were not prepared, like they didn't know what was happening.

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And it's weird because from a production standpoint, I'm
going, why would you do that? I mean, do you really think
you're going to get great footage by having people being a
little startled? Like was it intentional or was
this unintentional in the sense that they just happened that
way? And I feel like that's really
bizarre. Like Meri seems like, Oh my
gosh, you're here. And Christine's like, oh, like
this is happening. And their apartments are they

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look like they're it like dark. It's so weird to me.
See, I read that a completely different way.
I read it as we knew this cameracrew was coming in to film our
home, but we don't know how to behave.
And so we are awkward. We don't know how to just be

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normal. We don't know how to.
And so they're trying to not payattention to the cameras, but
they are paying attention to thecameras.
And I, I don't know, I just thought that they were so again,
awkward. There was so many moments of
awkwardness that it was just, I mean, I guess you can give him a
little bit of grace, but yeah, that's what I.
Took. I do, I do agree.
I mean, I think there's an element of that.

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I also think it's weird when I mean, I've been a part of things
that are being filmed before where you give someone some
leeway. Like you film them for 5/10/15
minutes, even recording ourselves.
Like, you know, you get into it and I feel like, did that even
happen? It really feels to me like they
just showed up and the wives arelike Oh my God, like unprepared

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and this weird vibe. I I think that the production
crew was probably like, yeah, that's as good as it's going to
get. Yes.
No retake. No, we're not giving you any
grace. We are just going with it
because this is what should be shown.
Yes, they do like the on location review of the footage
and they're like it's good enough.

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And it's like it looks terrible and they're like it's good
enough. That is definitely a theme for
this show. Oh, that's garbage.
We'll keep it. Let's just keep going.
I do, I do believe. Oh my gosh.
So first we're introduced to Meri.
They do a brief introduction andthen move on to more in depth
introductions. So the Meri one, I thought she
just looked a little thrown off that the camera was there.
Especially knowing who Meri is now, she would want her lighting

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to be right. She would want her decor to look
right. She would want her present, her
place to present well. So that's where I feel like it's
weird. But then they go on to Christine
and they show the graphic of thehouse, like where the wives
live. And so if you haven't, if you're
not familiar with the show, theylive in this split level home
where on one side is Janelle's home, which is the top and the

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bottom floor, and then Meri's onthe top floor of the other side
and Christine's on the bottom ofthat side as well.
So it's like Janelle, who is thesecond wife has the two floors,
Meri's on a top floor and Christine's on a bottom floor.
And there's this reference in the community to basement
wife's. And it's like Christine is the
only one who has to be a basement wife in this setup

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because Meri's upstairs and Janelle has two floors.
So right away there's an inequity with that.
She doesn't get a second floor window.
Her windows are at the ground level.
That's all she gets. Yes.
So she is a basement wife kind of out the bat.
Yeah, I agree with that. And I did note how Christine,

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when she was kind of talking about her area of the house, she
really did try to play it off that she loved it.
Like she really was like bubbly and nice.
She was actually the one describing whose apartment was
where. And she goes, and I'm here with
it. No, no, no, no.
Like she was so bubbly about it.And we're like, bitch, we know

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you did not like being down there.
Do not try. Do not play with us right now.
And so, but she tried. She really, I, I one thing I saw
throughout was that Christine tried real hard to push some
stuff back that was definitely front and center from the
beginning, you know? Yeah.

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So. I also noted that Christine, to
me, of all of the wives, looked so young.
I feel like she looks the most dramatically aged today compared
to that. And we also find out that she is
pregnant. And so I think there are scenes
too where she's fuller because she's pregnant and fuller faces

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tend to look younger. But even when she's definitely
not pregnant while they're filming, she looks younger.
She looks so much more youthful.And it's kind of crazy to me how
she aged so much. I mean, people age, but she's, I
feel like aged the most out of all of them.
I think I I think I would probably agree, but I also, I

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think that Meri looks like a baby.
True. You know, I mean, she still
looks very much like herself today, but she looked like a
baby. And, you know, yeah, I was going
to talk about Kody's appearance,but I don't, you know, whatever.
I. Want to do?
Well? OK.
I don't ever want to do that. I'll let you do that.

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Well, right, I was. I didn't even actually note
anything about his appearance, which I think is interesting.
He also appears younger in that way that like Midwest guys have
this kind of like when you know someone I'm thinking about,
like, OK, so we're both from Minnesota.
There are many men that we've known throughout life where the
age that he is right now, he still has that kind of like

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boyish thing going on. He doesn't quite have like a man
face. He's carrying a little more
weight than he does now, which you know when.
So he's not chiseled up. His face isn't his dynamic, but
I think he looks like kind of like an average Joe.
How old is he at this point? I guess I don't know.

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See how come we didn't figure this out before?
OK, right. I was going to say maybe around
40. And, you know, that's like our
age now, you know, like, that could be pretty close.
Kody Brown was 41 years old. OK, our age so this.
Age. Well, no, absolutely.
See, I feel like he looks the same age as us.

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I I don't think he looks older than us in the show.
I I don't know, I think he looksgood, but I think Kody thinks
he's better looking than he is. I mean.
Obviously. OK, OK, right, right, right.
But like, he's the kind of guy where like maybe his, his, his
level of attractiveness changes through things he's doing and

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he's always at the same place. In his mind though he is always
like the hot dude like no matterwhat and I know this isn't
shocking but he got he's carrying that in his attitude
but I don't think he looks bad. I will give him a solid B plus
for appearance, which I think isgenerous on my part.

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And I do agree age wise he lookspretty appropriate for his age.
You know, like he he looks the age in the show at the time that
it premiered. Like I probably when I first
watched it back in 2010 thought,Oh my gosh, she looks like a 40
year old man, which at that timewas old to me because I was not

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anywhere near this age. Right now I'm like, yeah,
probably about my age, you know,which is a bizarre twist, but
it. But yes, I would agree with the
age appearance ratio. I feel the same way.
I feel like when I first watchedit, I knew he was older than me.
Yeah. But, you know, now I guess I
would think he's my age, if not a little younger.
And I think the younger bit might have just been from his

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fake, like, enthusiasm, you know, like, he's very animated.
I also noted that the music was all very upbeat.
It was totally a pilot. Like, they were totally like,
look at this family. Like, like, everything's great.
We're going place to place. We're meeting people.
And I was like 10 minutes in andI'm like, oh, my God.
Like this music is overkill. Like it was just like, we're
great and we're happy and we're whatever I'm like, got it, got

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it. It kind of drug on for a bit
there in the beginning. It was like, yes, OK, like, OK,
OK. But I, I the one thing that I
kept coming back to just even watching all of that.
And before they like, dove more in depth into each of the wives

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and, you know, kind of how they got there, like this really was
the way they should have done this was in a home like this.
Yeah. They should have kept themselves
in a home like this. That is where they truly screwed
up. Right.
And I agree, I feel like when we're being introduced to them

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in this setting, it there is something about it that feels
like right that feels natural. It feels organic.
Like it feels like it does work for them overall.
Like I'm not like weirded out bytheir their livings arrangement.
I do think it's like that there's a literal basement life.
But upon introduction everythingseems fine.
Yeah, yeah, it shows it. It shows like how genuine they

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all were kind of getting into itin theory.
Like it really did seem like that was the vibe and it seemed
like if they could have just really gotten their shit
together and they may be continued on that path.
But our bucked it all up yes, like our introduction to them is
literally probably how they wereliving like in a in a way like

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there was there was quite a bit of transparency in that like
they they were volunteering enough where it felt like I get
what their living situation is and it seems fine.
Like, I'm not weirded out. And that would be a thing for
back at the time as like a polygamist family coming out on
TV, like they're coming out. And so it is nice that there's
like a normality about it. It felt like a family.

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It really did, actually. And I think that when you, as we
continue to watch it all fall apart throughout the years, I
think that that's going to be the key thing that makes it so
sad, is that like watching how cute they were.
They were so cute. And yeah, what a bummer, you
know? Yeah, anyway.

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Amen. Well, Amen.
And then they start getting intosome situations that are
happening in the house. We're like introduced to some of
the kids and more into the wives.
And one of the first things thatI was chuckling about was when
they make fun of, I don't know if it was Mckelty or one of the
kids talked about plague, like plague food.
And they talk about plague talk and that they're at plague
plaguelets and they have this little plague language.

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And I thought it was kind of cute because Janelle had some
sort of comment that she said and it was playful, but it is
weird. Like I feel like it's a weird
word. Like I'm like, I wouldn't be
saying that, but I don't know. I feel like that moment was
followed by Kody clarifying thatthe children were sisters from
the same Mr. And then also brothers from different mothers,

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which I thought was just true genius and.
I thought you were going to stopit True, which I thought was
true. In theory it is true.
I was just trying to give him a little credit where credit is
due because that was real smart.Kody Brown.

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Real smart. God, he's a clever one.
And so splice between these introductions with the kids and
the, the the wives are where we get our first glimpses of the
wives with Kody on the couch fortheir, I don't know what you
want to call it, their talking head moments, their interview
moments, whatever it is. And so they they show them all

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collectively, which is interesting to see three wives
with a husband and they're all like a little too close for
comfort. And they're set that way to look
like they're, you know, that close you picked up on that,
right? Like they're just so close.
I and that maintains throughout the years, I think that they
always appear that way in their,their interviews or whatever.

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So yes, I, I definitely agree. Christine almost looks like
she's about to like fall on top of Meri because she's all
pregnant and she has like one leg crossed over the other in
Meri's direction. But she's, she's pregnant.
So she's kind of sunk down on the couch a little bit.
So she just looks like she's going to like we're all over on

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top of her. Absolutely.
And it's it's interesting because of course you want them
to look intimate with each other, that they're comfortable
with each other. Something about the way that the
producers made them literally like have like thigh against
thigh, from butt to knee, like that is required.
It was like, it's just a bit toomuch.
I feel like they just couldn't get the camera angles right or

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something. I don't know.
But I yeah, it was uncomfortablyclose because they are not that
comfortable with each other. But they are trying to put on
that show right now still. So yes, we'll see.
Well, maybe it does change throughout the years.
We have to know that. We have to note as we watch
because maybe they do get, you know, half an inch to an inch in
between. Yes, I do think that they might

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spread out a little bit hysterical.
And I also when they did a closeup on Meri, I was like, what in
the little house on the Prairie are you fucking wearing?
Because it was insane. Like these like dual buttoned
like a collar that looks like it's something from when you buy
a home from the 50s and you pullshit out and you find a little

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gem and it's like it's Meri's dress.
Like who knew? Like it's insane.
It's insane. I was like girl, like come on
with that haircut. I mean it was just insane.
It just don't makes no sense. Man I used to curl my hair out
like that so much. We're going to find a photo.
Your merry look. Oh my.

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God, money, the attire in just like the general that was part
of the reason we looked up the date at first aired was because
we were trying to figure out these outfits that they were
wearing and kind of where to place them in time.
And yes, it is very 2010, the attire, but hers really did go
back a little bit in time. Well, there's were more like

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2002 or 2000 because they're like.
Again, yes. They're like 10 years behind.
Meri's like a century behind with her top.
It was straight up like she looked like her picture should
have been black and white like girl.
Holy Moses. And you know, like modesty, we
get modesty. But really, when you look like
you're like, oh, I have to go attend to blah, blah, blah,
like, oh God, what's going on here?

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Yeah, no, I wanted to just make the point for sure that I love
the cuteness of them all in thathouse.
It seemed to actually work well and we got that.
So I think that was it. And then it's kind of moving
into each wife individually, right?
Yes, yes. So yes.
Cool. Yes.
And then Kody, you know, claiming at one point that he
has dates three days a week, I thought was laughable because

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when you think about actually running a household, even as
like a married couple, a monogamous married couple, if
you get one date night a week, that's because you have as
couple been like, we are making ourselves do this now.
It's like part of a plan to likeimprove something.
You unless you're like, you know, newlyweds, that's what it
ends up being. Life doesn't allow for one
weekly date. So three dates a week.

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And he's making it sound like that's his thing.
But then they cut to Christine. Then they're they're getting in
a car cuz they're going on theirdate.
Are they really going on a date?Who the fuck knows.
They're going to the car. And she's like acting like it's
the first time she's spent time with Kody in like 6 months.
And I'm like, well, OK, so if you're going out on a weekly
date with this man, then you're obviously not this excited to go
on another date. Like it's not true.

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He's not going out on dates withthem every week.
It's not true. Oh, I don't believe that they're
going out on dates every week, but I did definitely think it
was interesting that he, at thatpoint in time, seemingly was
saying that he kept a good record and track of the time
that he spent with each wife. And he was actually trying to be

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cognizant of that, right? That that he was trying to be
fair and who he saw when so thatnobody got feelings about
things. Right.
Yeah. Obviously we don't even make it
through the first episode without that changing, but like
it seems like at some point in time he did try to do that and

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balance his wives appropriately.Like, I don't know.
I agree, I think that's at leastthe perception that they're
trying to give is that this is happening and I buy it.
I don't see anything happening that makes me think he's not
spending time with each one of them.
Seems like that's what would happen.
But you know what I did think? Has he gone back and watched all

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of these? Like, has he gone back and
watched the episodes from the beginning and been like that?
Why didn't I do that again? Why did I stop doing that?
Like, has he analyzed his own behavior and how his whole
family fell apart? Definitely not.
Definitely he has not done that.But wouldn't it be nice if he
did or could have the ability to?
Oh, shocking, he does. Right.

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Like I just signed up for Discovery Plus so that we could
do this. He can do the same thing and
watch his own show. It's like available right now.
So crazy. So crazy.
And there would also be an interesting thing in life to be
able to go back and watch parts of your life and to like glean
new things from it, or learn things or have a moment of self
reflection about things that arenot good.

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Now that we say that, absolutelynot.
I would not do it if I was him, absolutely not.
If I was on a show like this andhad the opportunity to go back
and watch my own failures, absolutely not.
So all right, Kody, I will give you a pass that is one of three
throughout the duration of this show you just got your first
pass on. Episode 1.
Episode 1 So you are pushing it from here on out.

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Oh my gosh. Well, OK, so then we're going
down the route in the episode where they're going to introduce
us to each one of the wives morein depthly.
And of course, they start with Meri because Meri is the first
wife. And I love it because the first
thing that stuck out to me was when they were talking about
their sex lives and Meri was like, we don't go weird.
And that's like such a merry quote is to be like, we don't go

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weird. And I love that she says that.
That's like my, I don't know. I love that about Meri.
What I also love about Meri is that she really to me in her
interviews seems really loose and she seems comfortable.
Like I felt like in some of her conversation she was just
sharing her life thing and it didn't seem like it was actually
premeditated or worked out or thought about.

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She was just kind of sharing. What was your vibe check with
Meri like? Did you?
How did you feel about her introduction?
I thought it was kind of sweet, to be honest.
Like I had a moment where she seemed like she knew that she
wanted this lifestyle actually. Like she seemed like she knew

(28:11):
that she wanted. And and some of that comes
towards the end of the episode alittle bit, how she wanted the
support of the other wives throughout their lives and
things, you know, like, I think she really had the best of
intentions with this and that asthey welcomed seemingly up
before the last one, like when Janelle came in, when Christine
came in and, and things that shewanted that she wanted that to

(28:34):
happen. I think she even wanted Robyn to
be there. But there was just, you know, an
unseen circumstance that was going to arise to make it a
little more challenging. But I thought it was really
sweet and she made it really clear that this was the
lifestyle that she wanted to live and for many reasons,
right? Yeah, she gives her background
about being raised in polygamy. And I once again, like, feel

(28:56):
like she spoke about it with such candor and with such
natural Ness that I feel like itwas very much her experience.
She was raised in it. She was comfortable with it.
She was wanting it for herself and for her husband and for her
future. It all felt very natural to me.
Completely agreed. I was sad at the when she talked
about how she wanted more kids, you know, and thought she was

(29:18):
going to have more kids. And then that just didn't end up
happening for her. You know, she had kind of a
sweet moment there where she waslike, I'm OK with it now.
But for many years, I wasn't. I was like, yeah, you know, like
she was. She was pretty real and pretty
honest about I, I would say a lot of hard stuff in the first
episode of their series. I think she certainly was being

(29:42):
very, very honest in how they started this off for sure.
I agree. I agree.
I remember when she was saying that about only being able to
have one child and how that she struggled with that for a while
and now she is in a better placeand how she was tearing up.
And I was like, oh, I think Merimight be the only person that I
know that I don't know who criesmore than me because I'm like,

(30:06):
Oh my gosh, Meri cries all the time.
So this is setting us up from Meri crying.
Meri cries all the time now. Meri is a feeler.
She is definitely a feeler. So that is her journey.
She's always going to be talkingabout her feelings and how she
perceives things and she will cry a lot.
But I thought that it was rathertouching that she shared that
right off the bat. It was very much a vulnerable

(30:27):
moment and we got to know a lot about her journey right off the
bat, which was great. Yeah, and some interesting
things, like she wanted to studypsychology, I guess.
I don't even recall where or when that ended or what happened
with it. So we'll be curious to put those
pieces together. But it was interesting that she
was going after some stuff at some point in time after kids

(30:50):
had grown up and, you know, those types of things.
So curious. Curious.
Agreed. And I think that that's
interesting because from I know that her going to school comes
up again later in the show. And so I'm curious where this
storyline ever really goes because, you know, not to give
the story away, but where does it ever go?

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It's introduced to us in the pilot that she is about
education. She wants to help troubled
youth, teenagers and in trouble.Well, great.
Where does that ever go? Who knows?
Well, so this is what I think isgoing to be so fun to do this
now is that I think I think there's going to be very clear
gaps in who got to try to do things for themselves in their

(31:36):
lives and who didn't. And if and when that became
problematic or it didn't. And this is probably one of
those that either we get the answers to it or because we
don't get the answers, it's quite likely that they just had
to let their shit go because, you know, they had this big ass

(31:57):
family to take care of. I don't know.
Yeah, competing priorities. They run their family as a
democracy, quote, UN quote, which we talk about later.
I mean that they discuss later part of Meri's segment, there's
a part they show two of the kidsgetting their teeth pulled,
their loose teeth like that. Meri is like the one that pulls
the loose tooth. And I think it's kind of funny.
I think it's a good example of how the wives play different

(32:19):
roles and that she like, oh, yougot to lose tooth while you go
see Meri. You know, like there's kind of
this thing about like people know which mom is the mom for
certain things. So I like that as an example.
But when they're talking about the teeth being pulled, which is
just like a funny little moment,she pulls two kids teeth, like
whatever their loose teeth, they're they're talking about it
on the couch. We're cutting back to the wives

(32:40):
and Kody, and they're talking about this situation happening.
And Christine and Kody have thismoment of tension about 24
hours. Like, oh, Kody says the this is
the first time we've had two kids have their teeth pulled in
24 hours. And Christine's like, well, it
was like 10 minutes. And he's like, well, the 24
hours would have covered that. And it's definitely this moment

(33:01):
of like, OK, this is some foreshadowing.
Like they're leaving it in for areason.
They are tense over this detail that doesn't really matter, but
it's a detail you pull out when you're like, not in the best
place for someone. Did you pick up on that?
It was the semantics of it all. Like he, he couldn't let her
correct him because his explanation was enough, but she

(33:23):
had to make it clear that it wasactually even crazier than what
he was saying. But he didn't know that because
he wasn't there. So, you know, that was, you know
what it was. OK, So you are talking though,
about how they, they've referenced that Meri is
definitely the one you go to to get your tooth pulled, right?
Like that's, that's the joke. That's the joke of what they're
doing. Meri's the one you go to to get

(33:44):
your tooth pulled. That's all fine and great.
And it's a cute little segment and it's you know, it is what it
is. However, you also made reference
to the fact that like each wife kind of shows how they how they
support the family or what they give to the family, right.
So they each have their little things that they do.
And in Meri's segment, she's literally portrayed as the tooth

(34:08):
puller. Like that's that's what she's
portrayed as. But then as we move into the
other two wives, they definitelyget a storyline very different
than that, right? Like Christine gets to be the
mom, that's the caretaker, although we'll dive into that
because there's some references,but and then Janelle is the

(34:30):
working mom and contributes likethis and marries the tooth
puller. I guess that is funny that
that's OK, right? Like she doesn't because she
doesn't fit these two other blanket descriptions of mothers.
I mean, it's pretty gender biased in a way.
I don't know. She's going back to school for
herself. OK, so she's she's selfish over

(34:51):
one or something, right? Like that's not how she's
contributing to the family, right?
She's contributing to the familyas the tooth puller, right?
I think it's super clear that she does a lot more for the
family than that. But like, yeah, it just.
Interesting. I, I regist, I didn't register
in the moment watching Meri. I registered it after Christine

(35:14):
and Janelle and I was like how funny.
Right. Like, her story wasn't so much
connected to her placement in the family.
It was really just about her interests.
And then this obscure, random thing.
Yeah, that was probably leveraged because it happened
while they were filming. So it was an example that they
could use of something like, it's not, you know, like, Oh
yeah. Oh God.

(35:34):
It just struck me as odd after the fact, like I was just.
Yeah, that makes sense. And then after we're introduced
to Meri and the kids, there's this thing about an
announcement. Oh, the big announcement.
The big announcement. Meri's talking about getting,
you know, her kid up to go to school and getting ready for
Dad's big announcement tonight. Big announcement and then we

(35:57):
move on and that's it. You know, we move on to next
wife, next story. Don't know what the announcement
is yet, but we are on the edge of our seats.
Oh yes, we are biting our nails and we're like, what is the big
announcement? So then we get introduced to the
second wife, Janelle. And Janelle absolute first

(36:20):
impression is that she, I think of all of the wives has changed
the least. I think she is exactly Janelle
even from season 1 episode 1. And I loved it.
That's so true. I loved it.
So yeah, she's not worrying about taking care of the kids or

(36:41):
cooking dinner or anything like that.
She has her other priorities, but God bless Janelle.
I love it. One of the first things that she
talks about is her Co workers are jealous because when she
goes home she doesn't have to worry about what she has to make
for dinner. And they set it up from the very
beginning how she's not like thehousewife type, like she doesn't

(37:01):
play that archetype. She's definitely like, I am a
career woman. I like to work and I love my
kids, but I don't need to be around them all the time.
Oh my gosh, literally said I would prefer to be at work.
Literally he said that and Amen.I understand.
So it's OK. I did.
I, I thought it was interesting and not like in a bad way

(37:24):
because so many families operatethis way, but like having Logan
get all the kids breakfast and like wake them up and get them
ready for school. I think you've mentioned that
before. I was just like, it was a lot of
pressure for that kid, man, but he was doing it.
Yes. They start out with this, you

(37:44):
know, example from her family ofLogan up early with the kids
because she gets up early to go to work.
And so then he's up early makingall this breakfast for his
siblings. And what my take away was from
it was that. Yeah, I think people would lean
on, I think the word is parentification.
I'm not quite sure. But, you know, it's one of the
key, one of the words that's thrown around on the Internet in

(38:06):
Reddit. You know, you parentify your
children, they have to act like adults.
Amen. He is the oldest.
And, and I also get the vibe from him that it's like very
natural. Like, he just seems to play the
the role. Like, I don't think he feels
some sort of burden or pressure.It feels very natural, like he's
into it. He's the oldest and he doesn't.
Well, look, I think it's probably not dictated that he

(38:29):
needs to make them eggs and pancakes every day, right?
Like he could probably pour bowls of cereal and that would
be acceptable for the family. But he's literally cooking them
breakfast, you know? So I do think that there is a
genuineness to it that and you know what you got to do what you

(38:49):
got to do, and that's what's working for him.
So Amen. I mean, I loved it.
There was a moment when Janelle said in their interview that she
was worried about Logan. And the whole time she was
speaking, the look on Kody's face was like daggers.

(39:13):
It was bizarre. Like he and I don't know if he
if it's just maybe it was just his face, but he looked like he
was looking very intently at herand maybe not enjoying what she
was saying. However, he kind of empathized
with what she meant, I think at the end, but it just looked off

(39:34):
putting. And I, and part of me was
because what, because Logan's stepping in to take care of what
I'm not doing for my family, right?
Like I, I think things like thatcome up and with relationships
with his children as the family progresses and they age.
So I mean, I don't know, it was weird.
I you know what, I did not pick up on that happening, but I'm

(39:58):
not surprised that that you did because I also feel like there's
a pattern that we will see with Kody Brown, with his children
aging and him reclassifying themas older children.
And then at some point, literally not children he needs
to be concerned with or care about or even fill in the word
you want. I don't want to give away too

(40:19):
much, but at the end of the day,there's.
Something about young children that he hones in and he cares
about, and then after a certain age, it's almost like they're
just dismissed. And he references in the future
how his dad treated him similarly.
And so that's how he feels like it should be.
And it always brings up to me that thing about when parents do
something they don't like that their parents did, and they

(40:40):
don't change it. And it's like, OK, so you don't
like that this happened to you, so you're just going to continue
the pattern. It's very strange to me.
I'm going to quote my Lord and savior Taylor Swift and say
that, you know, you're on your own kid.
You always have been. And I feel like some of these
kids have been on their own for a second in the mix of all of

(41:01):
this. And maybe it was better when
they were younger in some fashion.
But I think you're right. There's a line that they don't
matter as much anymore, you know, Or at least not in the way
they should, even as adult children.
As adult children, parents generally still care deeply

(41:21):
about their adult children. I mean, I still need my parent
and I'm 40. We're talking about 16 to 20
year olds in this man's case. I need my parents love and, and
approval and attention and, and praise and all of that as a 40
year old. And so it's not like you get to
be 18 and you're just, you're done.
And some parents do operate likethat, but oftentimes not in such
an emotional way. And I think that's Kody's.

(41:43):
Yeah, well. That might be too much for
episode 1. Yes, I agree.
I agree. OK, so another thing that I
thought was funny is a quote from Janelle.
I don't have to do everything, which I love that she just
straight up she is so Janelle. She is so bold faced as to just
say I don't have to do everything.

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Do you know what line followed that?
What? Let Christine do that?
That's literally the line that followed what you wrote down.
You wrote down. I don't have to do all of that.
And she goes let Christine do that.
Yes. Now.
Amen. I don't think in this period of
time in their lives, that was a barrier between Janelle and

(42:25):
Christine, because I think that that's what Janelle wanted.
And I think that Christine actually really liked what she
was doing to kind of to an extent, yeah.
We'll see how that plays out. I think there's some
foreshadowing when we start to talk about Christine that shows
maybe she wasn't supported in areas of the home that maybe she

(42:49):
could have been because, you know, the home's so easy to run.
Yeah. Right, so right, it'll be
interesting, but I. Think.
I think at this point it's pretty cute between the two of
them and like it is working wellthe way they have it divvied up
right now. Well, and they definitely kind
of give us AI don't want to say caricature.

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I think I guess to give props toJanelle as well.
She's pretty transparent about what she likes, what she doesn't
like. She she likes to work, she
doesn't like to stay at home andshe doesn't like to run the kids
all around and do all that. She's not interested.
And so kudos for that. It is just funny that that's,
that's who she is. And it is, it's always, there's
always something a little funny about hearing a mom being like,

(43:33):
I don't really care about doing all that stuff.
And it's like, cool, like, fair enough.
I, I've stayed home with a youngchild and been like, I would
never want to do this all the time.
So I get it. But it's kind of a funny way to
tee someone up. You know, some people do and
some people don't. And this is where I just, yeah,
I feel like she's, she's Janellethrough and through, right?

(43:54):
Like, like she's not bullshitting us.
She's, she's saying what she means.
And then of course, she does mention the big announcement,
the big announcement. The big announcement is coming
this evening. This big fucking announcement,
you know, and it's funny, beforethe announcement bit comes up,
they're outside. So also in each of these
introductions, they end up outside.

(44:15):
The whole family's outside working on things.
This is this is a very stupid clarifying piece, but the big
announcement is brought up before the outside time as well
as OK after the outside time. Oh wow, OK, it was there was
double bringing. I have back to the announcement
and then Kody cutting trees in abutt bump.

(44:35):
Yes. So then with each one of these
introductions, we end up outsidewhere the families all coming
together before they talk about that, there's going to be an
announcement. They're all outside and they're
work, you know, they're raking, they're picking up things.
The kids are being crazy, they're eating a lot, whatever
the freeze pop things, blah blahblah blah.
Looks like a good old strawberry.

(44:56):
Fresh strawberry. Maybe homemade popsicle.
Maybe that they had done. Yeah, I don't.
Know why that word was so hard for me?
And at one point, so they're, they're honing in on Kody, you
know, and he's all like, I'm outhere with my son.
I'm cutting things up and I've got my gloves and my safety

(45:17):
goggles and I'm all like, you know, he's very intense.
And I wrote down that he said I want to do something dramatic
today, like drop a tree. Like he literally just says I
want to do something dramatic today.
Like what's funny about people sometimes is they'll just get,
they'll just tell you I want to do something dramatic.
Like he's all about the dramatics.

(45:38):
He's such a showboat. I love that I totally missed it
and I think I missed it because of the yellow button up Ralph
Lauren shirt that he was wearing.
It was probably like the Walmartversion of Ralph.
Lauren, it's definitely not. Ralph Lauren, but you know, that
kind with like the white and blue striped interior, right?

(45:59):
With his chainsaw deading that tree.
And it was really something it what?
However, they were working together, cute as a family.
Every wife was out there. So many of the kids were out
there. Apparently they had a dog and it
it was actually kind of cute. It was like these were the times

(46:21):
that this worked for you guys. Like these were the times that
it. Worked and they were showing the
candid moments of the kids, likeroughhousing or someone being a
little whatever. And one of the girls like
rolling her eyes with her hands on her hip, like, oh, we're out
in the yard doing work. Like, it was very family, very
wholesome. It was.
I agree. And so then we're introduced to
wife #3 after we're told that there's going to be a nap.

(46:42):
Still no announcement there's. Still no announcement, but we're
being. Still no announcement.
Again, there will be an announcement.
Again, we're on the edge of our seats.
We are waiting, waiting. Man, I had to pee so bad because
I was so nervous. I was like, what is this
announcement? Oh my gosh, ridiculous.
So then, you know, we, we circleback to 554 whatever in the

(47:04):
fucking morning when they're like there.
Is 553. 553 Excuse me, I didn't write down the time and
Christine is now being introduced the third wife, the
wife who you know, thinks that it's the best to be the third
wife and her intro doesn't even sound like they were in love at
all ever. Her and Kody.
It's almost like she chased Kody, which she does say she did

(47:27):
later and it's pretty much clarified.
But her introduction was like, we were never really in love but
I made him marry me and now herewe are.
Like that was my take away. I wrote down love.
Tim knew he didn't love her. Yes.
It's like that's what her story is.
And it's like your love story ofmeeting your husband was like, I

(47:50):
was into you for a long time. You ignored me and then
eventually I broke you down and you married me.
Yeah, like you just didn't find anybody else better.
Yes. You thought my notchos were not
not the deal breaker you used to.
And here we are today. It was hysterical.
I wow, like, again, just comparing where we were then

(48:13):
compared to today. Today is yes.
I mean, is it? It's pretty clear she was
ironing his shirts. Oh God.
And she is sitting there and she's ironing and she's ironing
and she's starching the sleeves and she goes, 'cause you know,
I'm the domestic one. I don't even know that.

(48:34):
I wasn't even paying attention to what she was doing.
She was ironing his shirt. She was ironing his shirts.
Cuz you know, I'm the domestic one.
Right. She I'm adding maybe a little
more attitude in it than she did.
She she knew she was the domestic cuz I'm the domestic 1.
Like, you know, not like that, but her Disney book actually
insane, actually insane person. I'm at a yeah.

(48:57):
Totally. Like, OK, girl, she needs a
medication and we all know it. Like she straight up like girl
needs to be medicated and maybe she virtually does.
No, no, no. So great introduction, great
introduction to Christine that really sets us off Yes, on.
A. She's the domestic one.

(49:17):
I do like that the introduction to her is through example of how
more people die from using toasters every year than shark
attacks, and it's an interestingtidbit to pick up on.
I feel like it's foreshadowing of her.
Like, look at me, I'm unique andI'm quirky and I'm strange and
I'm weird and I, I fixate on weird things like this random
number that's like, OK, but why don't you just use a fucking

(49:38):
toaster? Like at the end of the day, you
think this makes you interesting.
It's not really all that interesting.
And it's like a weird thing to be hung up on.
I don't know. I don't get it.
That is so. I love how we have such
different takes on these things because I also thought it was
hysterical that she cooks her toast in the oven and has burnt

(49:59):
it and nearly started the house on fire multiple times.
Like right, it ain't working foryou, honey.
She said 257 people died from toasters and like 13 from
sharks. That was like, OK, so the whole
toaster toast shark thing, obviously it was just it was
hard to follow, but she seems tobe struggling in some of her

(50:21):
domestic duties, even though I mean it, it was a little odd.
Kody was like, she knows how to cook, but she's always.
Burning the coat I am like OK. What are we doing right now?
Like, I don't quite understand. Christine also made a point at
one point that she goes, I've never just wanted a man.
I've always just wanted a sisterwife.

(50:42):
Like she didn't just want the husband.
She wanted all of that out of it.
Yeah, it was. There was like ups and downs
with her. But then they get into their
interview, right, and they starttalking about the closets.
How did you feel when they were talking about the closets?
Like do you have any recollection to like?

(51:03):
I felt like their description ofhow the closet space worked made
sense. I feel like there was a little
bit of razzing about how he, youknow, he has to share his stuff
in these spaces. But I I didn't really have
anything that knocked me over the head.
There was one line and one line only.
He said something about having his own closet and it was like,

(51:24):
it's as close as I've ever come to having my own place.
Oh. And do you remember?
We'll get there. I mean, we're not there yet.
But in his grand plan of their whole mansion, yeah, That he has
his space, yeah. He has shared space.

(51:45):
Yeah, but but like, he has his actual just Kody space.
This is my Kody space. Yeah.
And whatever. And I was like, I think he hates
that he has zero space of his, which is fair.
I mean, that's fair as a husbandand also a husband of three
wives. But I just thought it was
interesting that it's starting to come out the the feelings
about wanting more for myself. Yes, right.

(52:05):
He clearly doesn't have a lot tohimself right now.
Yeah, well, and I feel like thatmakes sense though.
Like I feel like sharing space for spouses and monogamous
couples is always a thing. There's always a thing about
like who gets what and like sharing things.
So when you spread it out between three different
apartments in one home, I mean, I can see why it would be an

(52:26):
issue or frustrating or a challenge in any way.
Like I, I don't want to say likeI have empathy for Kody, like I
don't have empathy or sympathy for him, but I can see where
that's like a thing like makes sense.
It's just it's funny where sometimes he seems so just happy
with how all of it is and everything's great, and then
there are moments of true colorscoming out, but I'm like.

(52:46):
Yeah. Noted.
Like take note that Kody doesn'thave his own space in his
polygamous family home. Like right because all these
other wives have their own space.
Like it's funny because they he does always have to be in a
shared space and they do get their own times.
He does, but he ends up having four times the space, right?

(53:07):
Like he ends up having spaces ofhis own.
Yeah, in almost every wife's home that require blah blah blah
blah blah. Like yes, bitch expands.
OK, so. I also was like noticing that
like she kept talking about the fantasy that she has of the
third wife thing from like childhood.

(53:29):
So she grew up in the polygamistlifestyle, blah blah blah.
She actually has like family that are considered like royalty
in their church and we'll get into that later.
But like, she literally talks about how she wanted to be the
third wife because she said it sounded the easiest like that,
you know, if there's problems, you bring in a third wife.

(53:49):
And that was always her fantasy.That was always her thing.
And so like, you're setting up these pieces of how she forced
herself into a relationship withKody to be the third wife, which
she always planned on. Yeah, she said she wanted the
family more than the husband, that that was her goal.
It was not about him singularly.It was about the entire thing

(54:11):
they were signing up for. Yes.
She didn't want to be the first wife or knew she wasn't going to
be the first wife. Right.
And she didn't want to be the second wife.
She called them the wedge. The wedge.
And I just picture a wedge salad, and it looks great, but I
don't understand it. And then, yeah, the third wife

(54:31):
was the easiest. At this point in time, she
doesn't mention anything about afourth wife.
Yeah, right. That is not mentioned in this
intro. And she said her job was to keep
the home running smoothly. So again we have Meri's job,
which is to pull teeth, and thenChristine's job, which is to

(54:51):
keep the home running smoothly. She always wanted to be the
third wife. It feels like she just like
tried to make the situation happen for her and then she got
it. And you know, in life, like if
do you always want to get does it always best to get what you
want? Like who knows?
I also something about this Christine segment that stuck out
to me as being now 15 years in the future is how the kids are

(55:16):
so little. You know, they're just so young.
There's scenes of the kids doingthings where they are little
tikes, like they're just so young.
And that was something I noted during her segment that I just
remembered. Like God, they're so young.
Baby Gwendolyn, yes, so, so not baby.
I mean like whatever, but maybe she's like what, 6?

(55:39):
Yeah, I would guess like 6. Something like, it was so cute.
They were, they were totally adorable.
All the kids were there were a lot of really cute moments and I
think that one of the takes, especially after the end of
Christine's showing all of the stuff that that she was doing
and the kids and their day-to-day and all of this was

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like it was so well balanced. They had things seemingly in
this episode very well balanced and you just did see how it
could work, right. So like, that's how I left, you
know, kind of kind of watching her.
And when you mean balanced, you're talking about like well

(56:21):
oiled machine like it is operating as it should or what
do you think? Balanced in the sense that I
think Kody saw most of his wivesevery single day.
I think that most of his children saw him every single
day. I think that there were focuses
on specific relationships at specific times, but that it was

(56:43):
very easy for them all to still feel involved and in the mix of
the family because they were alltogether and it was balanced.
And that's what changes, right? Like that's what does not
continue in the same fashion. Yeah.
Big announcement, no comment, still comment.
Kody's real nervous though. He's real nervous.

(57:05):
But that big announcement, it iscoming.
The other thing about the announcement is that I think
it's a bit foreshadowing in the episode.
I'm not quite sure where they say that there's no new wives
since the kids were born, so they talk about how once the
first was born, like Christine was already in the family.
Janelle had Logan, Logan is the first born.
Christine was already in the family.

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So for as long as they've had children, they've had three
wives. There is no change in that.
And that was something that I noted during that transition
where I was like, they're pointing that out for a reason,
that all of these kids have had three mothers from the very
beginning. And that is an important
building block to the Sister Wives story is that all of the
kids that exist in the family asof the pilot have had three

(57:46):
mothers, same three moms. That's who they are.
You know, they did say that and that really is well, should we
cut to the announcement? I guess maybe I don't know
because that's that's that's where we at.
So. Chris well, they've been teasing
us so much my nipples are hard for the announcement.
Will you please, please share with me what is the

(58:08):
announcement? Oh my gosh, I just know that
when they're going to when they're talking about doing the
announcement or when he's when Kody's leading into what he's
going to share with the children, it's like Meri, I'm so
distracted by the scene because they're in the living room and
Meri has long hair. Meri has hair down to her mid
back or almost her butt. Now, the reason that this is

(58:29):
important is because the rest ofthe episode she has shorter than
shoulder length hair with this flip out and that's her style.
Their their filming of the pilotin general was after the
announcement that another wife is coming into the family, which
has been this teased thing the entire episode.
There's this big announcement happening.

(58:50):
Kody's going to announce that they're bringing in a fourth
wife. He's going to ask the kids
permission as a as like a sign of whatever, but it's not really
that he's making an announcementthat they're doing this thing.
I am so distracted that Meri's hair is down her back.
This was filmed before the rest of the episode and I can't get
over it. It's the first thing I noticed
and it's thrown me for a loop because I'm going that means

(59:12):
that they filmed all of this footage that we saw after this
announcement has happened. That's OK.
But as a viewer, that's it's it's like this happened out of
sequence. She this a whole announcement
happened before all of this. Is it significant of
significance? I don't know.
I don't think it maybe it doesn't matter at all, but
Meri's hair is long and I feel like that's something that

(59:34):
happens with this show. There's lazy production shit,
it's cut crazy, and all of a sudden you're like, Meri has
long hair. This was wait, the the end of
the episode was filmed way before all of the rest of the
episode. At at least a month, maybe 2.
They probably filmed it and thenreshot a bunch of scenes to make
a pilot that was actually for TLC.
But it's so distracting. It's like, I don't know, I can't

(59:55):
get over it. Well, you would pointed that out
and I. I had not registered that
specific piece, but what I had registered was that OK, so, so
big announcement. Big announcement.
At one point, it seemed like thebig announcement was that Kody
was courting Robyn. Except that then.

(01:00:17):
Except that. Then they sat down with all the
children, and they're like, you know, Robyn.
And they're like, yeah. And he's like, well, do you like
Robyn? And they're like, yeah, He's
like, so do you think we should have Robyn in our family?
And they're like, maybe. And he's like, so we think we
might have Robyn in the family, but you can't tell anybody.

(01:00:39):
And so then it turns into this coaching the children of how
they're not able to say that Robyn's in the family because
they haven't actually asked Robyn if she wants to be in the
family. It was right bizarre.
It was confusing. And so that's what I was
thinking about when you mentioned the hair thing.
And I'm like, OK that I I lots of these things make sense

(01:01:01):
because this whole conversation is confusing.
To me. Because initially, initially
when Kody sat down, I was like, I love this.
Because you know what, he seems like he is really hoping for his
family's approval, right? Like he's like, I want to make
sure that we all are on board for the decision that this is

(01:01:21):
going to mean for a whole family.
That's what it seems. But then those are not the
statements that they talk about after facts.
And so big disconnect. And I didn't quite understand it
until just now. You were talking about that.
And I was like, OK, that explains why I was so fucking
confused because there were circles.

(01:01:43):
There were circles happening there.
And then Christine was trying toguide Gwendolyn and Gwendolyn
sitting there like, fuck you bitches, I'm not lying for you.
And I mean, it was something so.I also did it seems like a jump
to go into oh, she's going to join our family.
The conversation would have clearly been something like
we're going to court her like duh, that's part of their

(01:02:03):
process. And so that is such a jarring
transition, actually. And the I noted that Christine
claims that she doesn't want to rock the boat.
She doesn't want to rock the boat in her talking head.
I'm like, OK, so you don't want to rock the boat.
Interesting. Like how we're having an
announcement and Christine's I don't want to rock the boat.
So I noted each of their responses after this quote, UN

(01:02:30):
quote announcement. That was never a fucking
announcement, at least that we saw.
So good job production. OK, So Christine plays it off as
we're so lucky because Robyn could choose anyone and she
chose us. And then Meri said, but I do

(01:02:52):
have some jealousy issues that Ihope that we're able to work
through those. Yeah, and then Janelle said she
had a spiritual witness and Robyn was meant to come into
their family. Yes.
And so that all happened. When Kody was making the
announcement, Christine is coaching Gwendolyn and I was

(01:03:15):
freaked out for a moment becauseit reminded me of the other
things that happened in the showwhere they are lying.
They are lying to the public. This is a arc of the show is
that they are coming out as polygamist.
OK, so in order to be coming out, you have to be in the
closet. You have to be lying about
something. Amen.

(01:03:36):
But this is a theme about fundamentalist in a polygamist,
blah, blah, blah. This whole thing is this
underbelly of lying. There is a lying that happens
where when they are, when they address it, they're like, Oh no,
but we don't lie. And we're Christians and we are
all about telling the truth and whatever.
But they lie on a daily basis about who they are.

(01:03:58):
And if their thing is that we doit out of necessity, we do it
because we have to survive. Okay, but you're literally lying
every day. You are being filmed by a
production crew coaching your young child to lie, and not even
about their religion to strangers about a situation that
you're filming. So who were they lying?
Like they're going to lie. Like we're not going to

(01:04:19):
acknowledge that Robyn's going to be part of our family because
we haven't asked her. It's lying.
There's so much lying in this family throughout the times, and
it's like this underlying thing.I think it comes from the
religion as a whole. I don't know.
I know that was a lot, but I mean, it's lying.
They're lying. I just, I actually found, so I

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think the most interesting part about my take on what I saw
after you were talking about thehair situation was the confusion
behind it all. I there was guidance being
given, but I think that the guidance that Christine was
giving was in two separate scenarios, almost, right.

(01:05:03):
So I think because the guidance that Christine was talking about
in the episode seems like it was, we don't talk to other
people about Robyn joining the family.
Right. But then it was kind of
portrayed as because Robyn hasn't said she's joining the
family. But then it was also kind of

(01:05:24):
like, just hush hush. Like, yeah, it was confusing.
It was all just confusing. Also, like we, we don't have to
say anything to Robyn about it. So it's like, are we hiding it
from Robyn? Are we hiding it from the
public? I didn't understand, I didn't
understand. And the build up to the
announcement that had kept me onthe edge of my feet really fell

(01:05:44):
flat for a second because I was like, what's the fucking
announcement? Yes, yes, I agree.
And I also thought it was strange to echo what you were
saying about Christine talking about Robyn, you know, having
her pick and choosing them. Well, like, OK, in all reality,
if we take a step back, these are people that right now, in
real time supposedly are filminga show about their lives.

(01:06:07):
They are filming a show to be sold to a network.
She's not being introduced to some people that she met at the
Walmart. And like, we'll see if they
survive. She knows that this family are
filming ATV show. So this notion that like Robyn
could just pick everyone, Robbins just this hot, you know,
I don't want to label her. I don't want to put her down.
She's a single mom with three kids of a certain age.

(01:06:29):
She's got a bunch of debt. She's introduced to Kody Brown.
She could have her pick of the litter.
Well, do you not think you're the fucking pick of the litter
in the polygamous community in Utah, I mean.
Cakes this rewatch for these pieces to come together never
until you just said that right now did I realize that Robyn

(01:06:49):
coming into the show excuse me family, the family meant Robyn
getting on this show never. Before. 100% those pieces come
together and absolutely she knewbecause then her and Kody Kody
are at the table at their date in the preview where she says my

(01:07:14):
cup runneth over and she looks like a fucking idiot.
She's just lolly gigging and hercup runneth over and that bitch
just got on TV and that's what she knows.
She just got on TV and she fucked up an entire family.
Good job, Robyn. Yes.

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Now, Ally, I'm gonna have to askyou, please don't hold back.
Please let your real feelings out.
I'll try to be a little bit moreforthcoming next next episode,
but. Is it interesting?
She has oh, she has the pick of the litter.
No, she doesn't. She's got.
She's going with you. Hello.
I've never put those pieces together.
Now I hate her even more. Oh yeah, I don't.

(01:07:57):
I don't enjoy how this really ohoh I feel grossed out that
anyway I'm also the preview. The preview for episode 2 is
disgusting. Like it's disgusting they're
dating and their Ness like yes please stop.
One thing I did notice as they're wrapping up, like
Christine's bit is that all the kids do seem to, like, share

(01:08:19):
affection with Kody in a way that seems once again, like,
very organic, very natural. Like I feel like there's a part
where they're, you know, closingup the night and he's like, oh,
three times a week we get together for prayer and I'm
like, okay, so three times a week he's he loves this number
three. It's very like, you know, you
put three pieces of art on the wall.
There's like the rule of three, the laws of three, the ball of
three. He just loves these threes. 3

(01:08:40):
nights a week he's dating a wifeand three nights a week he's
praying with his family. The whole family is not even
there and cool. Okay, fine.
Maybe a pray with everybody. I don't know but the kids
genuinely come up to him and they want to hug, they want to
kiss, they want a good night andhe probably is putting on a show
but like I do, bedtime ha ha ha.But they do genuinely seem like
they really love their dad and that they want his affection.

(01:09:01):
I completely agree with that. And I those are the things that
I really liked. I, I said it a little bit ago,
like he had balance. He saw all of his kids most of
the time. He saw all of his wives most of
the time. They had their separate time,
but they were still together. There was no alienation.
There was none of that. You know, like even at the very
end of the episode it shows him taking the 4 hour trek to see

(01:09:28):
Robyn and that his wives were already a little bit irritated
with the time that it's taking him to court.
Robyn, you stupid idiot. Like what are you?
So he's already taking time fromthem.
He's already. And of course balances will be
different with a new wife cominginto the family, but he's

(01:09:49):
already fucking it up and it hasn't even started really.
You know, so the writing's on the wall, but like.
Right. And in this ending, they, they
really open it up by saying thatKody drives for he says that he
drives 4 hours to see Robyn. And I think it's funny that they
don't mention where she lives. OK, well that's fine.

(01:10:10):
And it turns out that I believe she lives in Saint George, which
is a four hour drive from Lehigh.
And it's basically at the South end of Utah.
If you've ever driven through that track, which I have, it's a
four hour drive. It's not, it's not a two hour
drive. It's a four hour drive.
It's like a half a day feel thing, you know?
So like he's making that trek tosee this woman he's courting

(01:10:30):
while his family is at home and this is all they're giving us at
this point is that he is abandoning his, he is leaving
his family for a little while togo spend time with Robyn who he
is courting 4 hours away. Interesting.
It was interesting. It was interesting.
And we're introduced to Robyn, who we eventually, of course,

(01:10:52):
come to find out she is the fourth wife in the Brown family.
It's it's like we get this wholeepisode that's introducing the
three wives. And I think it makes sense that
all of a sudden the credits are rolling and here's Robyn.
We're finally introduced to Robyn as a person.
She's there, she's talking. I think it's weird because the
vibe is very family with the wives it's all about how

(01:11:14):
wholesome and how whatever. Then they cut to Kody and Robyn
and they are dating. They are 100% dating.
She is giddy as a schoolgirl. She is touching herself in
places that are unmentionable while she's thinking about Kody
Brown. Like that is what's happening.
They are dating but four hours away from where he lives.
I, I just, I find it odd that a man married three times can

(01:11:40):
devote this much time to, to date and then marry a fourth.
Like men can't handle one relationship, quote UN quote
going to handle 4. Bitch, please.
We all know how it's going to go.
But you know what? He really had a good run of it
with the first three. He really did wish he would have

(01:12:00):
just stopped there. He's going to start again now,
though. Robyn's going to be #1 and then
we'll have 2345. So would it really be 5-6?
Yeah, and it's going to be fine.I have to say it, and it is what
it is, the introduction to Robyn.
She is visibly younger than the other wives and in a
conventional way, more attractive.

(01:12:21):
I think that's their portrayal of her in this.
The credits are rolling up next.This is what's going to happen
is you're going to meet Robyn. The introduction is very like
she's young, she's spunky, she'scute, they're flirty, they're in
love. It's weird because we kind of we
know where situations go and what Robyn's definitely not the
young, fun, spunky one. Let's just say it she's not, but

(01:12:44):
they it's that's definitely how they show her in this episode.
So I'm trying to like, like, think about this, right.
So there's Meri first, she has afew years to herself.
And then there's Janelle and shehas a year to herself.
And then there's Christine ish, right.
Like it's all kind of in that, that trajectory.
So let's say that's 5:00-ish years, right.

(01:13:05):
And then they have what, at least 5 plus years without wife
number four. Yeah, right.
I, I think maybe 13-7. I think it's 1314 years.
So, so long time status quo. Yeah.
And then we're bringing in the newer hotter model.
Yeah, and we have to put quotes around that.

(01:13:29):
No, but really. It is what it is.
Like we don't bring in the newerhotter model after 13 years,
it's true. Like of course this is designed
to fail and there's only so muchthey can do.
So before we move on, is there anything else that you had noted
that you wanted to talk? About No, literally just that
the previews are disgusting. Yeah, next.
OK, the previews are disgusting because.

(01:13:51):
It's already foreshadowing how disgusting it is, so yes, I'm
disgusted. OK, So one thing that I am going
to do for you lucky listeners out there that have made it this
far, you've survived, you've made it to near the end of our
first episode, which is excitingbecause we are making this up as
we go and we're also obviously very professional.
And super proud of you. Super proud of you.

(01:14:13):
Like super proud. Gold stars.
So one of the things that we were thinking of doing with this
show is, at least for the first season, I wanted to give a
little tidbit from the Sister Wives book called Becoming
Sister Wives, which is their like #1 New York bestseller,
blah, blah, blah. Which is hysterical because the
rumors are that their publisher just bought boxes and boxes of

(01:14:33):
books and they gave them away for years.
Like if you would buy something from them ten years in the
future, you got a copy of the book with it because they were
just, they had them in. A Oh, is that real?
Is that true? That's what the.
I don't doubt it for a second. And I've seen reviews where
people are like, oh, this is my thing from what I bought from
them because in the future they open a store and you get a book
because they literally bought like half a million copies and

(01:14:53):
they were in their garage. Amen.
And that's how you get on the New York Times bestseller list.
But their book, there's certain things from it that I think
casual listeners might not know.And so I wanted to like, bring a
tidbit every episode for at least the first season.
And one tidbit from their book that is interesting as we're
watching this pilot is that Kodydidn't even think about planning

(01:15:15):
a honeymoon when he married Christine.
Christine's the third wife. She's the one that kind of
chased Kody and broke him down. And then they got married.
She recalls her wedding day fromthe book and transitioned into
the night of her wedding as quote, unbearably sad UN quote
because Kody didn't even plan a honeymoon.
Like their wedding ceremony was done and he didn't know what to

(01:15:38):
do next because he didn't even plan a honeymoon.
And she was like, this is my wedding day and you don't even
have like a hotel room or a planfor us or anything.
So there's a lot of foreshadowing with Christine and
that was a little bit of a Debbie Downer.
But realistically, like these are the things that her story is
being introduced to us as she didn't even get a honeymoon.
And not even because like a normal, you know, couple that

(01:16:01):
doesn't do a honeymoon. He literally just didn't even
consider it. I know I want to be like, well,
typical man. They don't think about anything.
But it's not even that. It's like, I look at it even
more cynical. I'm just like this man.
Typical man you can't think of. Most men do think I should
probably do a honeymoon for my wedding.
I mean, you know. I would.

(01:16:22):
I would actually like to. I'd like to take a poll of the
of the listeners. Listeners, let's tell me so.
The guy with the penis, you know.
Tell me and you know you're not a straight man.
So I I did just say man, I did not clarify straight, straight.
Apologies. But you might fall into this
bucket, listeners, listeners that have had a wedding,

(01:16:45):
specifically if you're a heterosexual couple, I think
because it's easier to distinguish in this manner.
But who plans the honeymoon, ladies and gentlemen?
Who's planned the honeymoon? The man or the woman, right?
Countdown 3210 men ever so I. Amen.

(01:17:07):
Amen. Sorry, not to say that in their
relationship it might not be a little different.
You probably would expect the man to plan it in a polygamous
relationship, I think. I think.
I don't think she thought that was her place.
Yeah. So I'm not trying to give her a
back out there. He's a douchebag.
Clearly. He's a douchebag, and that's

(01:17:28):
just normal. He just added a fourth vagina to
his roster and so he's not worried about like like with her
was the third, now he's on the 4th, but that's all that
matters. And so it's not really about the
body or the person or the human.It's that another, you know,
uterus to procreate with so. Oh yes, he's good.

(01:17:49):
And a shy, quiet 1A shy pretty one.
That's what he. Did domestic?
Yes. Oh well, Christine was a
domestic. Yes, yes.
And so and then another thing that we were thinking about
doing. I know another thing.
Off the rails. Off the rails, off the rails,
off the rails. That came out of nowhere.
And that was that. I know because I was like, I
want to talk about something from the book.

(01:18:10):
And I didn't realize that it waslike actually just like, turns
out like Kody never planned a honeymoon and like she was
really disappointed. Like her wedding, not only was
she like, you know, trying to get this guy to like pay
attention to her and then he finally does and then they get
married and. He's like proved he never loved
her yet she's not married. I know shucks.
And he's like, I didn't even. Get a room at the like the Super

(01:18:32):
8 or anything like sorry, bitch,I don't know.
Oh God, what a loser. And so the other thing that we I
was thinking about doing for a segment is our Rosen thorn of
the Brown family. Like who's our favorite?
Who's our least favorite? I told you this idea and I'm
going to share it with our listeners because it is a bit
absurd. I remember the first time I told
you I was like, I was thinking about doing a brown scale, like,

(01:18:53):
you know, mustard seed to shit stain.
And you were like, what the fuckare you saying?
And I was like, OK, no, like, you know, the shit stain is like
the thorn and then the mustard seed is the like you plant the
seed and it grows and the shit stain is the shits chain.
And you were like, wow, OK. I was not immediately sold.
Yeah. And we're still workshopping,

(01:19:15):
yes. I'm not sold either.
I'm like, maybe at this point wejust do our our favorite kid and
our least favorite kid. Oh, but not the kids.
Well, no. The all of the characters, all
of the entire. Guests Rose and Thorn.
It can be situation, it can be person, it can be whatever it
can be. It's a wide-ranging oh God, but
we are workshopping. Mustard seed and shit stain.

(01:19:39):
The alternatives to mustard seedand shit.
Stain, I like it. I'm into mustard seed and shit
stain but we'll see where it goes.
Right. Like maybe it's.
We we do need more workshopping.OK, OK, so yes, I think that my
mustard seed of the episode, I'mgoing to pretend like I don't
know anything about the future and I'm going to say it is Meri.

(01:20:02):
I feel like Meri comes across authentic and genuine and I have
like a soft spot for her. I feel like there's something
about her that I have a soft spot for.
I this is so wrong and cheesy but I think it's actually like
my mustard seeds. The whole family right now.
OK, like I liked OOP OOP OOP OOP.

(01:20:24):
Not the whole family, just the whole family as it exists today.
Because I don't think that includes Sabin Robyn at this
point. So I I like what mustard?
Seed is the whole family. Well, I really liked what they
had going on though, like I really did.
I like the vibe. I like the vibe.
So my my shit stain then, I guess yes, barely having been

(01:20:50):
introduced yet still the shit stain that she is is Sabin
Robyn. And sorry, I jumped the gun on
on the shit stain, but that's who it has to be.
Because I really liked I, I, I understand why they got the show
and I also understand that it wouldn't be as exciting if it

(01:21:11):
didn't go the way it went. But I thought they were really
cute. I thought they were really cute
at the beginning. And so I really dug it.
OK, I think I would agree with you about the shit stain being
Robyn because, well, because I have.
I feel like my introduction to Kody made me feel better about
him than I ever do from here on out.

(01:21:32):
I feel like I hated him the least right now than I probably
ever will. Oh, for sure.
And so I can't give him the shitstain, even though Kody Brown is
a shit stain. And you can quote me on that in
this episode. I'm going to give shit stain to
Robyn because she comes in and we don't know anything about her
and I question new things. You know what?
I'm going to revisit my mustard seed.

(01:21:54):
Can we do that? Yeah.
Do we have? Go back, revisit the mustard.
Do we have go back? She can go back to the mustard
seed. Might go back.
I, I don't, I don't renege what I said before.
However, Janelle is still just Janelle and so I maybe I give my
mustard seed to Janelle because I just truly believe that she is

(01:22:16):
her throughout. I think Christine tries to be
Christine, but Janelle is Janelle, and that's great.
Yes, maybe that's my go back. Yeah, Janelle for mustard Seed.
Not yet called mustard seed. But we're gonna find the thing
that we're gonna call you Janelle and you're gonna fucking
love it, okay? And I agree.
With you like what you said earlier, like Janelle is

(01:22:38):
Janelle, she is so Janelle, likeJanelle in 15 years is that same
person literally? Percent.
Literally, yeah. And I love that.
And so, and I actually think Christine is still Christine and
Meri still marry. But I think that they had to go
through a lot of different peaksand valleys to get there.
And Janelle, she just, she stayed the same.
I agree. So our keep sweet moment, which

(01:23:01):
for our first episode, this is so exciting.
Eventually when our episodes areout on broadcast, like where you
can listen to them on streaming services, I'm going to pull a
review from someone and read it as our keep sweet moment.
And if you're familiar with the culture, you know what keep
sweet means. And so this one, our first keep
sweet moment from an episode, actually our second one, because
we had one from our first one, yes, is from username

(01:23:25):
remembering again, which I love that username remembering again.
Like I'm kind of into that. But I don't want to.
Yeah, like, what if you don't want to remember?
And what if you don't want to remember again?
But I love remembering again. And it was from a TikTok of
ours. That's the guilty feat of got no
Rhythm, which is a TikTok video of Robyn looking back at a doll.

(01:23:50):
And we won't get into the details on that.
So the comment from remembering again is I absolutely, 100%
needed this laugh. You have no idea.
And that made me smile. It made me smile that we put out
a video that someone was like, Ineeded this laugh.
You have no idea. Like thank you for remembering
again for that comment. That was great.
Remembering again, we will thinkabout you tomorrow.

(01:24:11):
We appreciate it. It's really, really, you know,
we feel so good being able to bring joy to others and to to
wallow in the sorrow of the sister wives.
But. Remembering again, it's almost
like. You are welcome.
Forgetting another time, forgetting never, never

(01:24:32):
forgetting is the opposite of remembering again.
I don't even know. Never forgetting.
Never forgetting is remembering again.
I would rather forget. Well.
Never forgetting. I mean, I feel like we're
already we're. Already forget, Oh God, Oh no,
we're entering it. Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo
shit stain, shit stain mustard seed.

(01:24:53):
What a hot mess. Well, thank you everyone for
joining us for our first episode.
We're so excited to bring you this wonderful content and
hopefully you listen to our second episode and subscribe
wherever you listen to your podcast and follow us on the
socials and we will see you on the flip side.
Amen. God bless.
Goodbye.

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