Sister Wives S3 E4 - The 4 Lives of Kody Brown - My Sister Wives Podcast

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What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You.
Shut it off. Do not twist my words.
Do not make me a victim. Sweetie.
Just look at the mountain. That's what you saw that day.
Just the knife in the kidneys over all these years and the
sacrifices that I made to love you.

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Season 3 Episode 4 The Four Lives of Kody Brown.
When we started the episode we both were like oh God, Kody
Brown is in the title. Like this is going to be a lot,
but luckily it's OK. It was an average amount of
Kody. It really wasn't extra Kody
heavy, which was what we were nervous about because those can

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be not as fun to watch, right? Or just very angering to watch.
Yeah, this one is a long episode, plenty of things to
talk about. But luckily it wasn't all Kody
telling us about how he feels about everything, because that
just gets to be way too much. Yes.
The episode opens with Kody catching us up on their move to

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Las Vegas about kind of time management, reminding us of the
Lehigh house, the compound, and how he had easy access to all of
the families or, yeah, all the parts of his family at any time.
And now how they're in four separate houses.
Christine, Janelle and Robyn aresomewhat close and Meri is like

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a mile away from all three of them.
Yes, he's just explaining that it's a big difference from how
they had lived their lives before and that he is finding it
hard to balance his time in the same way.
And he makes some reference to Abraham and Moses having two

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wives. But it didn't say how many tents
they had, you know, like, did they all share one tent or did
they have two? And then he said something about
David. Had eight wives. 8 wives.
But again, how many palaces did he have?
Yeah. So he was a little, it seemed
frustrated that, you know, his mentors back in history, you

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know, didn't give him clear guidance on how how this is
supposed to play out correctly for his his family.
Yeah, his biblical role models. Right.
They just left out that detail in the Bible, you know, like,
how many houses did these guys have?
They had all these wives, but where did they?
Where were they? Yeah, that's so tough for Kody.

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Very much. So he's really trying to figure
it out, but they are not helping.
Man, it seems like the Bible hassomething for everything.
You know, like an answer for every question, and yet here we
are. You people can spin it a lot of
ways to say whatever they wantedto say.
If you want, I can tell you whatI think the Bible say and you
could just give me some money and I'll tell you what I.

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Think it is, and no, we don't mean that we get to stone our
wives, but surely some of these other things that they say are.
Well, you know, I haven't come to the conclusions yet about the
stoning of the wives. No one's paid me to come to a
conclusion about that. Yeah, OK.
Well, let me know when you do, yeah.
It's like the Browns are trying to come up with business ideas.

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Oh, right, I'm like, let's just start a religion.
Hello. Man can.
You imagine what our religion would be based off of.
Right, well, ours, yes. I wouldn't be surprised if at
some point Kody thought that he should start his own faith.
Oh, I'm sure he thinks he already.
Yeah, he's already leading a faith.
Yes, see. He is the mayor of Brown Town,

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that is for sure. Another great part about this
episode opening is that we get atext graphic that comes over.
It's a black screen with like white text with like a blue text
with this like glowing around itthat says the four lives of Kody
Brown. And it makes it seem all like
really like this is special. Like are we watching the show

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about this? And they don't do that with any
other episodes. So it's like this intro moment
that is out of place. And it really it's like it would
lead you to believe something socrazy is coming.
And really it's that Kody bounces to four different homes
because he has four different wives and children with all of

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them. And so not that bizarre, really.
It's not going great, but it's not that bizarre.
Yeah, the graphic was just very like, this is a special episode.
And then by the end of it, you're like, no, it was not.
It's just another episode, but thanks for that.
Putty monkle. Putty Monkle monkey.

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Puddle puddle monkey. That was so good.
There's also in the later in theepisode, I think it's when
they're at Christine's house andmaybe the kids are like playing
outside or something. And the camera work was so bad.
It was like it was panning to really like this shrub maybe
that had like was being very litup by the sunlight.

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But whatever the shrub they werelooking at, there was also like
just dead spots of grass. And so it was like the shrub
wasn't that great. And then we're just looking at
dead ground in the midst of where they're supposed to be
grass. And it was like it, it landed
there for a hot minute and I'm like, what are we looking at?
What am I looking at? Did you or did you have a

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seizure? Do you need help?
Like so there's some bangers there.
Yeah, top notch production on this episode, that's for sure.
Kody lets us know that he's staying at Christine's, which is
wonderful. So for our first wife, the one,
the first of four in our knock down and our get through the
list is Christine. They are gathering the entire

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family to go to dinner to a Mexican restaurant.
When they arrive, Robyn let's the host know that they have 21
and someone says kids eat free and they say that's why we're
here. Exactly.
And I'm going, there is no way that they did that right.
Like, OK, well, there's no way. Here's typically the rule.
Kids eat free with one paid adult.

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So they have 5 adults plus a couple of teenagers that maybe
qualify, maybe not quite yet, but they at least get 5 free
kids meals. That's what the math that I'm
doing in my head. That is the.
Most, and you know, they probably split a few of those
meals between younger kids, you know what I mean?
So like, they're probably payingfor less than 10 people.

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That yes, one for one, Amen. It's just the way that it's
coming across is like they thinkthey're they're making it seem
like we're gonna get all these free kid meals.
And I was like. Also it's ages like 12 and under
typically like you. Know there's stipulations and
hopefully the restaurant also islike, we have rules that we are
not bending them for you and if that is an issue, hopefully

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production just pays for it or something because I was just
thinking about those poor staff like having this 21 top and
being like, yeah, I guess we'll just put half the restaurant on
paws to take care of your group and then you're going to be like
a disappointingly cheap ticket like.
No, well, 100% because yeah, they're not getting billed for
those kids meals, right. So and if they're splitting

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some, they're certainly not spending what you would expect a
21 top to spend. So while they're billed for that
amount of people typically wouldprobably be hundreds and
hundreds of dollars, maybe theirs is 150 and you get a $10
tip, you know, like terrible, you know, they're doing the
cheapest meal well, but they even got dessert and everything.
They got desserts, they got fancy drinks that were not like
real drinks. Certainly did so.

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Could you imagine the action? Was.
Of waters and like they got no beverages, no anything.
No, we're talking like that. Was these are milkshakes or
something? Yeah.
It was probably an OK bell, but just when it started, I was
like, as a former server, my neck was like, Oh my God.
Like I was like, no, no, no, no,no.
What a nightmare. There's discussion while they're

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at this dinner about returning to Utah.
It's like a topic that comes up,and I know at one point Logan's
talking about how he wants to goback to Utah.
There's not much for him in Vegas, but Kody says he doesn't
see it in his future. I guess he just feels like Utah
has kicked him out and now he's on Plymouth Rock in Vegas or
whatever, so, you know. Well, he stands up to like give

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this speech at the end of dinneror something and 1st the only
thing I noticed was like bro hasa belly on him right now, right?
Like he, he is not in his finestphysical shape, right, certainly
not how we're seeing him enter season 20.
OK, he. Does not have the six pack ABS

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that he's so famous for. No, he's got like a 24 pack and
it is something. So I just noticed this and I'm
like, OK. And then later on he and Robyn
are like going for walks and things and it's like she's like,
yeah, you're going for a walk. Like, yes, you need to go for a
walk. I'm pregnant and I'm going to go

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for a walk because you, Sir, have let yourself go and we need
to remedy this, OK? Little bit, little bit.
But I thought that was very funny.
I was like, yeah, he's not looking his best.
Also his hair right now. Oh, it's like the worst, but
it's not. It's better than the perm tear,
but it's just, it's not, it's not great.

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He he could be trying harder. It looks like when you're trying
to grow your hair out and it's in an awkward phase, and I feel
like I don't know if that's where it is or if that's just
where he keeps it at this point.I don't really recall.
Right. Like no directions are going in
the way that you want them to, and it's just interesting.
So yeah, Kody's not looking great.
Not looking great. No, he's looked better, yeah.

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Well, I mean, not a lot better, but, you know, not trying to be
like, he's usually fine and now he's, you know, gross.
This is that we know that you'reso in love with him.
So right now you're going like, see, I'd even support him in
these times. Yeah, it's kind of like, you
know, elementary school when youjust like made fun of the person
you had the crush on. You know, that's what that's

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where I'm at. But at 40 plus to a of this
narcissist. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And. I'm.
Working again. It's a safe space, honey.
I am working. She's working through it.
It's beautiful. I always encourage your honesty.
Yeah. So Kody's at the head of the
table giving this speech. And it's it's funny when they

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started off because there's something where it seemed like
he was trying to get people's attention.
And it's like whatever. And it's so classic of like a 20
group of 20. Like I'm just going to speak in
front of my family. And it's like, OK, everybody.
And they're like rolling their eyes.
Like what now, Dad? Totally.
We don't need to hear you right now.
And he makes reference to how Logan has asked for all of his

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family to be in one roof before he leaves for college.
I'm sure this is one of those Kody Brown examples where, like,
he probably said, like, wouldn'tit be nice if the whole family
was together before you leave for school?
And Logan's like, yeah, that'd be great.
And then he's like, I'm going togive a speech about how Logan's
last dying wish would be that our whole family would be
together under one roof. It's like your 17 year old son.

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I don't know how old he is at this point, but he is probably
like, sure, whatever. Like yeah, it'd be nice.
And also he's like, bitch, I'm out of here anyway.
Like I really don't care what you do at this point.
Like I'm not. Literally like I'm leaving, I'm
going to Utah. Staying here.
Totally hot off the heels of Logan talking about how he's out
of there. Kody's like he really wants us
all together. And we're going to prioritize

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this for him it. Was so funny.
It was so classic Kody, like youare so delusional, Oh my God.
And then he also calls on all ofhis wives to help make it
happen, which I love because it's just like a little public
pressure to be like, fall in line.
Remember, this is our goal. I'm conducting.
And you agree? I mean, obviously we know where

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that ends, but I mean, they do not accomplish this goal.
No. Well, they get on the same
street at some point, but I don't think it's anyway.
Regardless, yeah. Well, the Bible is definitely
like, I'm going to make it seem like everyone's on the same page
here and you all are right. And they're like, yes, we all
are for. Sure.

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And then they have this moment where they like they get done
with their dinner, right? And everybody heads back to
their own respective homes. And we've heard this referenced
a few different times where you like when they were in the
compound, right, that when they do a family function afterwards,

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everybody would end up together because they were all still in
the same home. So Meri was talking about how
when they would do something at that house, like the teenagers
would all end up at her place and they would just stay up late
talking this and that. And I think they ended up at her
place because there were kids sleeping at other places, right?
So like, it just made sense for that to be the place.
But that's something that they're lacking right now,

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right? Like they really miss the fact
that they don't get to have those natural moments come
together. And I didn't even put those
pieces together. But I think that's so true that
when with youngins going to bed,there probably were
opportunities for Meri to have the older kids over.
That totally makes sense. Oh my gosh.
There's a reason they're pointing it out.

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And you know, I do. It's hard to for me to place my
feelings about Meri's situation because is she saying it because
she's lonely? It's like she's saying it
because she's lonely. But do I think that she thinks
it's bad? I don't think it's because she's
lonely. I think she loves having her own

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house. She makes it clear that she
loves having her own house and her own space.
But what they're missing are these natural moments that just
used to happen because of their proximity, right?
Like even I'm sure when they areon the same St. that happens
more than it would where they are right now, right?
Maybe not as much though, because they've had some time

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separated now. So, but I just think that if
it's not something where you're trying to figure out.
So right now, if they were trying to figure that out,
they'd have to be thinking who'sdriving, who, where, when, and
then how are they getting home and you know, whatever.
Like there's more logistics justsimply involved.

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There's interesting conversationabout feelings that the wives
have about when Kody is all is gone and not with them, that
they think he's always having fun or having a good time.
And what that build ups for themin their what that story they're
building up, the narrative they're creating in their head
about what Kody's doing. And it starts with Janelle.
And she was having like a classic candid Janelle moment

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where she was like, I just, I don't know if she says I make
things up, but she's very clear that, like, she thinks Kody's
having fun when he's not with her.
And then Christine says like thesame thing.
Yeah, I think it's kind of like FOMO, classic FOMO, right?
Like you just assume that. And it used to be that Robyn

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thought whenever people were hanging out together at the big
house that she was just missing out.
Missing out, missing out, right?And now they all are feeling
these types of ways. Not all, I don't know that Meri
is, but Christine and Janelle definitely said yes.
I just think he's not here. He's certainly having so much
fun somewhere else. And then part of it gets tricky

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because then if your own relationship isn't in the best
place and you're like, they're all just having fun.
And then when he comes here, we're pissed at each other and
whatever. Like it's not a good vibe.
It's not, it's not good. Janelle did say though, that
like at some point she realized they've all had to have moments
that they realized you can't compare your current

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relationship with your husband versus the relationship he's
having with the sister wives because it you will just go
crazy. That's there.
There is nothing else that you can do other than go nuts trying
to think about that. If that's how you want to
compare it. So just don't.
I don't think they're perfect atthat, but.
Yeah, Janelle says. It straight up leads to

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unhappiness because you know, you're doing that comparison a
bit. And maybe this is really
obvious, but just thinking abouthow when you're in a
relationship with someone and you're going home or you're
getting together or you're doingwhatever.
And maybe you're not in a great place and you're like, I'm just,
we're going to do this, we're going to whatever.
Maybe you're, you're like not happy about it.
You'd prefer to avoid it, but you're not avoiding it, blah,

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blah, blah. But then to have that partner
come home from somewhere, like with a smile on their face
because they just left an environment where they were
happy, and then to walk in and be like, like, the heaviness
level would be so different in away, knowing that they could
potentially be happy somewhere else in the same role, that's

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messy. Not only that, but you only have
limited time with this person, so you don't necessarily want
every time you're spending together for it to be an
argument or a fight. However, then you're either just
constantly sweeping things underthe rug, which I think to an
extent we see happens quite a bit probably actually.

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And that doesn't work. Like that just doesn't work, you
know, So but you don't want to ruin every day and you still
want your kids to have a good time with their dad and you
still, you know, so interesting,interesting vibes.
And once, like we talked about before, the first time I watched
this show, I don't know that I really cared so much about this.

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Like when they would be talking about it, I'd be like, Oh yeah,
sure, that makes sense or whatever.
But now revisiting it and divingin, I'm like, whoa, like this is
there's some heavy shit set in this episode actually, like some
really big things. There is well, Christine, so
they Janelle kind of went through her Ness of it, all
right. And then Christine, she had

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several spotlight moments this episode.
Yeah. And it was like, oh gosh, she is
not happy. And she says she's not happy.
And the first spotlight moment, she just straight up says that
she believes Kody caters to Robyn.

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I believe he caters to Robyn. I believe he is so hung up on
building their relationship and creating that bond with her
already existing children and all of this, that that's it.
That's all. That's what she believes.
And he spends more time with her, which is, you know, in this

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situation, of course, you have to have a little flexibility
about that. If I was sharing my spouse with
three other people, I would be like, what hour you are?
What hour are you going to be here?
Like, not one minute, but what hour.
Like we are going by. That's what would happen because
I'd be crazy. And all both, I mean, we're all
crazy, like I feel like these women are crazy too, like right,

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Like that's why this is all happening.
But I like you watch in this particular episode, he bounces
back and so he has this night places where I guess maybe
that's full picture of what we're seeing here.
So the first night we see is thenight that he is with Christine,
right? And then they show the next

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night he's with Robyn, and then the next night with Meri, and
then the next night with Janelle.
And so that's how we're going through this.
So right now it's his first night while he's with Christine.
And oh, but we watched him bounce back and forth on a day
that he's supposed to be at Christine's house or at Robyn's
house or this or that where he has to run because he has shit
everywhere. So he's running back and forth

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and back and forth. And in my mind, there was a
moment that he stopped at Robyn's house for something.
And I just thought. Oh man, those stops have to take
four times as long as anybody else's, right?
Like, you know, that means he's at Robbins for like an hour,
right? And not like 5 minutes.
And so they know that if he's leaving to go try to find
something, this could be a 5 minute thing or this could be a

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four hour thing and we don't know for sure.
Like in my mind, that's where you're talking about what hour
and what this and what that. I feel like that's as shitty as
a gets. At some point it's like, OK,
yeah, it was my night, but you left for an hour and a half to
go tuck her kids into bed, like,you know, whatever it is.
And he didn't do that this episode, but we know he surely
did at some point in times. No, he definitely did.

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Yeah, Christine says that they need to work on things, that
it's a struggle, but they are struggling right now.
She's. Their relationship is not great.
No she does seem very unhappy, like her physicality.
She in her spotlight moments in this episode tears up multiple
times and I think at one point even cries.
She just seems so down. And she does say she's not

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blaming Robyn, though, at least at the beginning.
I don't think she's blaming Robyn, but she said, I'm not
blaming Robyn. She's wonderful.
What what she is blaming is Kodyand how she's perceiving his,
his actions, right. But then she basically says that
she has to make a choice and, and pretty much her choice is

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like, I got to buck up. I just have to deal with this.
Like, like right now I'm struggling because I can't just
deal with this. But she's kind of alluding to
the fact that nothing else is going to change.
I just have to change how I am handling this and dealing with
this. And once I do that like, I'll be
OK. Partnered with that, she

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references putting more of the responsibility on Kody though
for correcting any of this or tomaking changes because, you
know, he's really the one that she's saying that.
The issue is that he is not prioritizing her.
He's not prioritizing her children, that the priorities

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are out of whack. And so while she will suck it
up, Buttercup, she does feel it's up to him to make changes.
And she does even talk about in this episode and other ones
where she literally puts it on him like, you need to step up
and you need to do more, which is weird with what we talked
about. Where do you really want to be
telling your husband they need to do more when the other wife
is being like you're fabulous, do less, Show up, be here, Just

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sit with me. The dynamics here are and we.
Get into some of that, too. It's crazy.
She did say she had reset expectations with him in some
sort, right? Like, like, I'm not.
And, and maybe it's not this spotlight moment, but there is
one later in the episode that I felt it was like her either
deciding to completely give up on what she had thought her life

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was going to be and suck it up. Yeah, and she never said the
words out loud as to what the other option was, but it was
kind of like, I feel like I either just got to say, OK, I
guess this is it or, but the OR was never said there's.
No, yeah. There's no details in the OR.

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Janelle feels that she can sensethe tension between Christine
and Kody, which makes sense. I don't know that she really
gave too many details about that.
I think she was just saying thatshe could tell that they were
having issues and it makes it uncomfortable.
Yeah, I think she just alluded to that happens frequently in
their dynamic, right. Like it like their if one wife

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is having a hard time with the husband, inevitably it's felt.
And she did know that there had been tension between Kody and
Christine. This was when Christine said,
yeah, I have a lot of expectations, like.
I am. I am, yeah.
You know, and it's it is what itis.
She also said that sometimes youhad mentioned earlier that like,

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yeah, the one wife isn't puttingall these burdens on the husband
or whatever. And Christina's this is where
she said, well, yeah, sure. He goes to Robyn's house and
she's like lovey dovey and all is great, all is wonderful.
And he walks into my house and it's like a hostile environment.
And because that's how she feels, you know, like I and I
just also there's this level of in just a monogamous marriage.

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It's it's a lot of times hard for I'm not going to Nope, Nope.
I got to rephrase that. I would say a lot of monogamous
marriages, women particularly, or from my own experience, women
particularly may feel like men aren't contributing enough to
certain things or, and that could be household

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contributions, that could be emotional contributions, that
could just be support, it could be whatever, right?
But like just in a one-on-one marriage, sometimes men don't.
And plenty of women too, Guys, Iget it.
But historically that's the case.
And so now you have this man, it's not super great at any of

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those things. And now we've got 4 wives and 17
children almost and all of this and it's like, yeah, well,
Jesus, H of course it's going tosuck.
You know, How the fuck is that supposed to be good?
The way people talk about that, the numbers thing with how in
relationships sometimes you're providing 70% and your partner's
doing 30, and how you have to have ebb and flow with that.

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Like there can be usuals where you usually stay in some lanes
because you're good at those things.
But ultimately at some point youhave to support and do things.
You have to have that give and take.
And I, you are not the first woman I've ever heard talk about
how the numbers are oftentimes off kilter in certain ways where
it's like you could just step itup a little more.

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And, and that's what I feel likeChristine even says, like you
need to step it up. She did say that in one episode.
She's like, you need to step it up and like it sounds like she's
trying to like convince herself to continue in this portion.
Like what you're saying the other that she doesn't talk
about, it's like she's already kind of given up and she's just
there to try to make like see itthrough or something.
Like she seems beat up. She does and you know, part of

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the whole men, women dynamic Sitch.
That happens though, right? Is that women were always
expected to take care of the household, right?
But they usually weren't working.
And then women became working asa part of the household and yet
they still worked, whether it was part time or full time.
But they raised the kids, they took care of the house and they

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worked and the men still just did what the men were doing, you
know, and I would say only in recent years has that dynamic
changed to some extent. But even if you are that mom
that's at home doing everything.So Christine in the compound was
taking care of all the little kids, right?
Even if you're not working that alone, that's a lot that can

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make a person you're just takingcare of kids all day.
Like that doesn't mean that thisis the only thing I do in my
life. I need, I still need somebody to
jump in and support me and help me and give me a fucking break,
you know? And I think that that's where
she's at. But not only that, she doesn't
have the other help now either with some of the other bigger
kids around. And like, they don't, they don't

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have the same support in the same structure that they used to
have. And so it's totally different
for all of them. And yeah, this is not going well
for her at at the beginning, sheshe says she doesn't know what
she wants, but. She kind of quote, I don't know
what I want anymore. Yeah, like.

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Again, not saying the OR out loud but like I'm not sure this
is what I signed on for. Like I would rather not worry
about this man who is not with me 75% of the time.
I would prefer to just care about my own shit and not
fucking worry about him. And boy, does that resonate with

(28:16):
a lot of people. Out there, just the way you
saying that right now, I'm goinglike 25% of someone.
I'd be like pass hard pass. Literally I don't even I
wouldn't even they. Did sign up for it, you know,
but but not also in this manner like they expected to still have
the support that they had gottenused to.
And yeah, everything changed. So this is, I think I've

(28:39):
probably said 85 times since we started doing this podcast, this
is one of those times where I feel like we're really starting
to watch it unravel. Well, it just is from the
beginning. The whole thing is unraveling
like just is. First time through, I, I wasn't
at Season 3 being like, oh, they're never going to make it.
Like I was just watching, you know, right now I'm like,
they're never going to make it. It's so obvious.

(28:59):
Oh. My gosh.
Man, so they wrap up that day and then the next day Kody's
leaving Christine's. Christine references that it'll
be 4 days until she sees him again.
And then she tells the story. I think it's about Aspen telling
her that something about like, well, I'm not going to see dad
for how many days or like I haven't seen Dad and like how.

(29:20):
Many days. And you know, with Christine's
book coming out, it's it's very so Christine's book just came
out this last week at time of recording for us here.
We do not know every single detail about the book, but she
does reference this quite a bit in the book about how the Kody,
like her children were like laston the run and Kody's from her

(29:42):
perspective. As far as about like Kody's time
spent, care, concern, any of that, her kids made it very
clear basically right after theymoved to Vegas.
So they're like dad doesn't evencome around.
We don't even see him. Like they don't even have kind
of real relationships with him. They continue to film for years
and years because, you know, contracts and money and all of

(30:03):
that. But it's it's it's weird to
watch it now seeing how that probably is true.
And like maybe and she and she does want her kids to have a
good relationship with their dad.
So of course she's going to try to make it as best for them as
she can while also having a breakdown over the fact that
this loser is like not doing anything.
And then he goes to Robyns. That's funny that.

(30:27):
Then he leaves and goes to Robyns.
And then he goes to Robbins. That is true.
And boy does he not. So her van is parked in that
driveway and he pushes that button and he pulls that
convertible right into that garage.
I think every house he just pulls right in.
Does he he's? Got that king spot in the garage
for. That car and and also men out
there. Men, men, give your wives the

(30:50):
fucking garage. Stop.
Seriously. Are you shitting me?
They are carrying in children and groceries and all of these
things. He was certainly wasn't around
to help with any of that shit. Give that.
What are you doing? What are you?
Doing he was driving the convertible, so maybe for
filming days he's like just havethe car to the garage so I can
just pull in and like leave the top down or something.

(31:11):
I'm going to give him that benefit of that doubt or
whatever. I'm going to say I don't think
they planned well enough for anyof that.
That doesn't make it sound like they know what they're doing.
OK, Yeah, sorry. I, I I know.
And like, absolutely. I know.
No it is true. He definitely needs a garage
spot at a house he's only at 25%of the time.
Literally like, you know it's true, you know it's true.

(31:33):
And it just irks me anyway, because like, I guess I was
raised right, like mom parked inthe garage and dad parked in the
driveway. Like, I don't know, it's
terrible. It's.
Our garage is never clean enoughfor anyone to park in it, to be
perfectly clear. But I have, you know, nearly
ended a relationship. For what?
Well, that was one of the first straws, but you know, like no

(31:54):
over. Driveway weapons where it's like
just. Parking in my fucking driveway
and you are going to let me thank you.
Goodbye, Duh, you know. It's such a stupid thing too,
because it's like, what? You can't walk the 30 feet, the
50 feet? Like it's weird.
It's such a weird thing to me. Yeah, no, I did have one
boyfriend once for a very brief time that would start my car in
the morning and like, brush it off, brush the snow off and

(32:15):
start it for me. And I was like, what a
gentleman. Yeah, this has never happened
before. That's a good move.
That is a good move. Oh, it was.
And then, though, you knew when the relationship was over
because, like, it stopped. Those things didn't happen
anymore, right? Like just no.
More when those courtesies stop.And it's like if we're not
sliding into marriage, we're sliding somewhere.
Yeah, I was just like, OK, bye. And I'm like, well, my car's not

(32:38):
even turned on yet. OK, bye.
Oh, legit. Yeah, legit.
Oh man, anywhere where it snows,people are going to hear that
story and be like 100. Like they're going to be like,
yes, it's so true. Yeah, like, come on.
Kody reiterates that he goes from house to house these days
because of his commitment that, you know, people might think

(33:01):
he's selfish, people might thinkhe's whatever, but this is what
he has to do because he has these commitments to his family.
So he goes back and forth and back and forth and all around.
And some of the burden is on himbecause he has to do this and he
does it. He steps up.
Does he want like props for this?
It's hard for me to tell. I feel like he was trying to

(33:22):
give a rationale but I'm like, were people asking you this
question specifically? Like maybe he was prompted into
it. Well, but like what other
options do you have? Sir?
You have 4 wives and 16.25 children and this is your.
So they should all come visit him at Robyn's.
They should all they should Round Robyn, round Robyn.

(33:44):
Literally his dream, literally his dream that everybody just
comes to him in his palace and. Round Robyn.
Yum Oh. My.
God, yeah, he just wants everyone to come to Robyn's and
say hi and then leave. Hope, hope things are going good
for you. Oh yeah, so he has to drive from

(34:04):
house to house. That makes sense.
And he wants props for that, I guess.
But yes, Kody does go to Robyn's, which is funny, right
off the heels of Christine talking about how he leaves her
for Robyn. So the plan is to go get an
ultrasound to find out the gender of their unborn child.
Right. Their fetus.
Right. They talk about how there's 10
girls and six boys, another reminder, which is funny when

(34:27):
that comes up because it's like,yeah, they already have 16 kids
in the family. So of course the ultrasound
technician, I don't know if it'sa a nurse or whoever, we don't
really get introduced. But she's, you know, got the,
the thing on the thing, the goop.
She's holding the thing on the goop on the belly.
Do they even warm it up first orthey put it right on?

(34:47):
I feel like it's just as cold. OK, yeah, I'm like it would be a
courtesy to warm it up first, but it's.
OK, they don't. Women in healthcare, that
doesn't happen. There's no courtesy.
I know. Yeah.
They're like, you're lucky that you're.
Getting that like, as a matter of fact, let's keep it in a
freezer and then put it on. Your face, right?
It's actually best at refrigerated temperatures.
That works best. Oh God, see, they're making, I

(35:09):
guess, jokes about 10 girls, 6 boys, 16 kids.
There's, you know, 4 mommies andthe.
But, but this is this is the weirdest part about it, though,
is that they say, well, we have 10 girls and six boys or
whatever. The ultrasound tech is looking
at the age of Robyn and then Kody and like confused and she's

(35:33):
like 17. This will be baby 17.
And then she goes, well, yeah, there's 4 mommies, there's 4
mommies and it's like, OK, so fine, we're going to call that
baby Mamas. He has four baby Mamas right
now. But then she had to follow it up
by I'm his fourth wife, which I still don't know that the

(35:57):
ultrasound tech understood meantthat currently in this moment
today, he has four wives, right?I think that they thought that
they were like bragging about the amount of baby Mamas and
babies that are out there and not that they're a polygamist
family doing this all together. Like I don't know that it ever
landed in the right place for that ultrasound tech.

(36:18):
She definitely didn't seem like she was on board with the whole
thing in the sense that she. Does not know.
She's just confused and they it seemed like Robyn and Kody were
all like, we're in on it and we're letting her run on it.
And it's like you didn't really let her in on it.
You just made it sound like you have a bunch of children with a
bunch of people. You were weird and awkward.
Like weird and awkward as she's like looking at your anyway.

(36:41):
Ridiculous. Robyn says they're going to wait
to get the whole family togetherbefore they do the reveal of the
gender. Yes.
Yes, and that's beautiful. So as the gay man on this
podcast, I'm going to say this officially from my perspective.
This is not an official statement from my Sister Wives
podcast. Please don't hold anyone here
liable. Like me, you're saying it's not

(37:02):
my fault if they. And it won't be that dramatic,
but fuck gender reveals. Fuck gender reveals.
So nauseating. Now, OK, if you want to do a
gender reveal thing, like you have some people over for dinner
and you tell them, well, we we're excited.
We found out we're having a boy,okay, Amen.
Like find out the gender of yourbaby if you want.
This whole thing of the gender reveal thing is the most basic
bullshit. And this show, there's like so

(37:25):
many gender reveals and it's like, you people are so boring
now. Once again, I know I'm going to
alienate a percentage of our listeners, at least half
probably by saying this. And I apologize women out there
that think it's cool to do. This.
I think that there's a small amount of people that do these
gender reveals. I think they just get thrown out
on the Internet too much. My favorite of the fails though.
The one where they really fucking.

(37:46):
Those are the best. These keep those.
Coming. Yeah, yeah.
If you fuck up your gender reveal.
We want to see it, yes. Sorry about that, I know I don't
want to be terribly offensive but like it's so overrated for
no reason. They became a thing after I had
my kid. As it's come out in the last
what, 5 or 10 years? Yeah, It's like rival.
I do not know. No, like, yeah, make a cake and

(38:08):
cut into it and fine. But the fucking confetti and the
helicopters and the balloon arches and the this and the
that, Please, let's just not save that money.
You're gonna need it. Like you're gonna need that
money. Use it for smart things later.
That's some really good advice actually.
I've, you know, been watching a lot of Dave Ramsey too.

(38:34):
And we have this lovely footage of the girls jumping on a
trampoline in slow motion. So we have Brianna, Aurora and
Isabel. Isabel.
Isabel. I don't know why her name's hard
for me, Isabel. It's just Isabel.
Yeah, Isabel. We just pretend there's not.
Ayi know. I it's really Isabel.

(38:54):
I did good earlier when I said her name.
Isabel is on the trampoline withBrianna and Aurora.
And then I went to the other onewith Brianna and Aurora and
they're jumping on this trampoline and it's slow motion
and it's Girls with Sunshine andfelt a little like they were
trying to make it like documentary as this.
Is when the Bush said grass moment?
Oh, this is it. It's right there, like, yes,

(39:16):
you're watching the trampoline, and then it pans over to the
spot on the. Ground with dead grass.
This is the It's like they were trying to do something and it
was like, what are you trying todo?
It was so weird, so weird. That's a clip in the making.
Got to find that cinematic magic.

(39:38):
So with Kody being at Robyn's house, they, I can't remember,
there was some other kids there and they're talking about things
and they're prepping for dinner.And then when they're sitting
down to eat, it's Kody, Robyn, and then Robyn's three kids
sitting at this bar top table. And it stood out to me that it's
a table for four. And I'm like, this is so

(39:59):
interesting that like, does thismean she's not allowed to have a
Cafe table? No.
She wants to have a bar top table in her home.
Beautiful. Good for you.
But like, how many people are you fitting around that table?
You, your husband and your threekids pretty much.
Now, maybe she has a dining roomtable somewhere else.
And I'm just reading too much into this, but I was like, yeah,

(40:20):
there's no room at that table. Like, there were other kids
there. And then dinnertime, the other
kids are gone. It's them for sitting at a
table. The other wives are like they
talk about all the time that if it's dinnertime, it's like
whoever's there is happy to you can join, you can eat, you know,
whatever, right. So there's definitely food
things with Robyn and she references the kids coming
rummage through my fridge. Oh no, at one point.
My leftovers. Oh, Logan eats my leftovers.

(40:42):
Eventually she ends up with a sign on her fridge being like
please ask Robyn for food and itis documented in future seasons.
Really. So like, this bitch is making it
seem like everything's fine and everything's cool, but it's like
no one else can sit at your table and they're and you're
actually not cool with people eating your food.
So here's my question, because I, yeah, I think I would

(41:04):
struggle to an extent. I mean, I right, there's
certainly a level of we're all family, we all come in.
I, I feel like I wouldn't want anybody to think that they
couldn't help themselves to anything in my house, right?
However, if I am, you know, I have small children, I have
this, I have that. I've kind of figured out what

(41:26):
I'm working with for the week and then all these kids that
technically aren't mine, but they are my family, they just
come in and clean me out. That would be a problem.
But now do your kids go to the other wives houses and raid
their fridge and things like that?
I feel like the other wives are just more prepared to feed

(41:50):
everyone and Robyn's not prepared for anything so.
This is that Christine buys in bulk, She cans, she grows her
own. She does all this stuff to have
a bunch of food all the time, right?
And Robyn probably just hasn't been in a position to need to.
She has not elected to probably have more than her immediate
family needs. And she probably, even though
she gets supported by all the other wives, she probably has

(42:13):
some sort of they're taking fromme.
Their kids are you're taking like there's there's a power
trip Ness over it to an extent that I don't think the other
wives would have specifically with children anyway, right.
You know, and also I just you'regoing to put a sign on your
fridge. Why don't we just sit everybody
down and talk and say, hey, guys, I'd like to explain to you

(42:35):
why this is problematic. Like my son had to get a talking
to at his dad's house once because he just was plowing
through that milk and there wasn't milk for the other two
kids to to drink when. And these are babies.
And it's like, look, I know you like milk and we want you to
drink milk, but I can't buy 7 gallons of milk a week.
Like could you chill it out and have only four glasses a day?

(42:55):
You know, like whatever, that's fine.
You know, you've got to be able to balance it, but that's just
weird to me. That's just weird.
Now I've had people eat my fucking leftovers before too,
and that makes me mad. So there's, there's real stuff
to all of this, right? Like they're totally real stuff
to. It Well, this might.
I don't even know that I would say that I was jumping to a

(43:16):
judgement with this. I'm just pointing it out because
I can't judge too much because, yeah, if someone was coming into
my place and eating shit that I didn't know that they were going
to be eating and then I didn't have it, I'd be like, you know,
this. I just have to pivot.
Like you would be like, is this going to be a thing and what we
have to do now or like not. And it just seems like if you're
part of a polygamist family and you have 16 children in your

(43:37):
family, that probably will have to have some extra snacks in the
cupboard and like, maybe make a bigger meal sometimes.
And also like, you know, when you go to somebody else's house
versus your house and what your mom buys, like you don't like
the stuff your mom buys, but another mom buys like all this
crazy stuff and you're like, this is amazing, you know, and

(43:58):
like totally, that's going. To happen.
Can't blame Robyn for anything yet, just pointing out that her
she has a table built for four for her family dining needs,
which is very telling in my mind, but whatever.
Kody tells Robyn that they're going to meet tomorrow to
discuss business opportunities. We don't know what, so they
don't know what this means either, these business

(44:20):
opportunities. And it's truly a groundbreaking
conversation once they get there.
Robyn talks about wanting to mirror her mother and Uncle
Stepdaddy's honeymoon wedding. Uncle Stepdaddy.
Uncle Stepdaddy, they had a honeymoon when they have been
our honeymoon wet honeymoon marriage.
I don't know why I always say wedding.

(44:40):
I think it's because I've never heard anyone talk about
honeymoon marriage so much in mylife.
She wants to live like the side piece that got brought in
basically and that's what she's doing and you know, it makes
sense. It's just weird that she talks
about her parents honeymoon marriage when that's probably
not what it was and it just is gross.
But she does tell us once again that I don't know if she's told

(45:03):
this before little bits but it'sbecoming more clear.
Robyn prioritizing Kody when he's there in her house and
ensuring that he enjoys being ather home.
Now this is curious point to me because I don't know if that's
so manipulative and twisted. I feel like if I wanted to have

(45:24):
someone feeling like they're having a good time in my home
that I would prioritize that. Especially if you see these
other relationships where their issues are.
Maybe from Robyns perspective like well if you'd stop like
hounding him every time he's around or if he would like just
get off his jock a little bit, maybe he'd be in a better mood
with you. OK, coming from the woman who
got the first home in Vegas fromthe rental, so her shit's

(45:48):
already set up and ready to go, and she probably doesn't have
TV's that need to still be mounted on the wall that have
been sitting there for weeks. So she doesn't actually have to
harass him to get anything done because he's done it for her in
a timely manner. OK.
This and I'm thinking example like that, I'm thinking Robyn

(46:10):
would be the person today who would do like a task rabbit or
she would do something to have someone get some shit done so
that her husband doesn't have todo.
It Oh, I don't believe that for a second.
OK, I don't I don't believe Robyn has to ask him to do
things. I think for her, he does them
without being asked and she doesn't have to seem like the
one that's hounding. I think for other wives that is

(46:32):
not the case. And he doesn't jump to it like
he does for her. And so then they do have to push
and say, hey, fucker, do this. I I need my TV in my living
room. Could you hook it up, please?
You know, And then of course, that's a whole day anyway.
Whatever Janelle told Robyn, shedoesn't think it's realistic to

(46:54):
be that way for Kody, right? Like, oh, yes, no, I just want
to focus on him. And she's like, yeah, fuck that.
How am I going to just focus on him?
I need him to do some shit too, because he just fucking does
unless I harass him about it, Right?
But also, while Robyn is saying that she's making Kody the
priority, she's like shoving herchildren to bed.

(47:15):
She's like, you get in your bed.No, you go to bed.
You, you're done. We're done seeing you, You, you
get get out of here. Get out of here, Kody, get them
upstairs. It's their bedtime so that they
can have their alone time. You know, like, I mean, it
doesn't look super natural to mewith what she's trying to do.
OK. OK.
Meaning that this example, whilethey're filming, demonstrates

(47:39):
that she doesn't do that normally.
Or what do you mean? Meaning that she's trying to
paint this perfect wife picture that that he just arrives and
I'm the perfect wife and we havethis and we put the kids to bed
and we do that and we then we have our alone time and this is
our lives and we don't have any of those fights or arguments or
anything like that. When in actuality, he's just

(48:03):
already done the shit you wantedhim to do.
You're shoving your children to bed and you don't care about
them. Also, you have a table that
doesn't even fit your whole family.
You're complaining about everybody else.
But I'm going to prioritize our honeymoon marriage.
Yeah. It's it's not based in reality.
Like, I just don't think it's real.
Yeah, yeah. I think I'm also being

(48:25):
influenced by in the future, there are issues between the
sister wives with childcare nests where Robyn has nannies,
has family members watch her kids and there's this.
And that's where I'm getting thetask grab a bit from is that I
do suspect there's an element ofher not relying on family, which

(48:46):
would include Kody, like not asking him to do as many things
as some of the other wives and not asking for childcare support
and doing things to that shrine bit.
I don't know, Is there a term for that with the like my
husband's so great and I whatever, as I say, trad wife,
but that's not it. It's just weird.
But she's this is the first timewhere I've recognized it like

(49:06):
her talking about it very much like this is what I do.
I make sure that Kody has a goodtime when he's with me.
So. I'm going to label that as
manipulate Kody while he's with me.
Right, there's that. Yeah, OK.
And then she says absence makes the heart grow fonder, right?
Because that's how she I don't care what he's doing when with

(49:28):
the otherwise. I don't care when he's not here.
I'm not thinking about that at all.
All I am thinking about is how much I miss him and I can't wait
for him to return to me. I don't care what else is
happening. Yeah, that's how she feels.
She's so confident and secure inherself, honey.
Yeah, that's what I'm getting. You know, honeymoon marriage

(49:52):
absence makes the heart grow fonder.
Totally Spoken like someone who's only been married for a
little while as. Well, I mean, it's all
ridiculous. To today, do you think Robyn's
sitting on a couch ring like Absent 6 Heart Group founder?
I would love to know what she's saying about him today.
This season's going to be good. It's going to be so good.
Remember when we were watching the trailer where like she's

(50:13):
miserable? She's fucking.
Pissed. Like her life is so different
now. It is so different now.
Oh, that's a blessing. OK.
Oh, that's good. The next morning, Robyn is
feeling ill. You know she has some morning
sickness because she's a expecting mother.
And Kody doesn't have a sweatpants.
Oh God, go to Christine's, get sweatpants, then come back here.

(50:34):
He also was wearing like pajama pants and it's like what?
You can't go on a walk in you're.
In Flannels. On a walk in Flannels.
Yeah, it was. Ridiculous.
Classic Kody. It was just the dumbest thing.
I have to be in my grey sweatpants that I walk in like
you're a fucking moron. Just put your flan, keep your
pants on, keep your fucking pants on Kody, and put some
shoes on and go for a walk. Oh God, now what?

(50:55):
I'm I'm going to ask you this thing about Robyn saying that
she doesn't let Kody out of her sight.
What was the beginning of this? Like what was this moment?
Well, so I'm going to the, the, the thing I remember before that
was that Kody was talking, you know, about Robyn and how

(51:19):
amazing she is. And Robyn has a lot of capacity
for love. And so he's in a spotlight
moment, you know, licking her ass and saying all of these nice
things to the camera about Robyn.
And then basically she had convinced him to go get these
sweatpants. He's running down the street
looking ridiculous. It pants back to Robyn at the

(51:42):
table and she's kind of looking like it was actually to me maybe
a semi genuine moment where she was like, of course, just go get
your fucking sweatpants. Then like it was basically her
like semi eye roll moment towards him.
But then, yeah, this comment like, but normally I wouldn't

(52:06):
let him out of his sight, out ofmy sight.
And and she had this like evil smirk on her face afterwards.
There was something happening there in which she was
acknowledging that I'm not always going to tell him to just
run over to his other wife's house.
That's probably not what I'm always going to do.
But if you need your fucking sweatpants, then go get your

(52:27):
fucking sweatpants. You know, that's kind of what I
gauge to it and I gauge from it.And it was.
It was. Uncomfortable as usual.
Maniacal, like a villain vibe. It was.
But it was like about letting him out of her sight to go get
sweatpants at his other wife's house.
But normally I don't let him outof my SO.

(52:48):
She also probably tries to control every situation so that
he doesn't ever have to leave when he's there.
Well, there's so many layers to this.
Or like send one of the kids over to grab his sweatpants
instead of letting him go or something.
You know, like there are some ways that would I mean, you
know, this bitch does not. Anyway, that's.
Good. Brianna's like, I don't know if

(53:10):
I should cross the street, Mom. And she's like, go get your
father's pants. Knock on the door and tell
Christine you need his black sweatpants.
Yes, wow, it was a very interesting moment.
And yes, Kody talks about lovingand communicating and forgiving

(53:31):
and commitment and that they allneed that with each other in
their marriages. Those are the four most
important qualities. Yeah, it's made sense, but it
also kind of seem to drag on. Well, we can say the words.
We can say all those words, yeah.
But unless we're doing the actions that go along with those
words, then those words mean nothing.
You point that out nearly every episode I.

(53:51):
Wonder why? Every other or something,
because it's like I, I don't know that I would actually
necessarily pinpoint that. I know it seems obvious, but
it's so true that like, you can sit here and say these things.
People can say a lot of fucking words.
Yeah, but then their. Actions might.
Be completely different. Oh my God.
It's like I'm, it's like gullible.

(54:12):
I'm like, well, they're saying this thing.
It's like, well, OK, but like you're watching footage of that
not being true. They are not doing it.
Fuck coding. Fuck.
Oh. My God, now did you catch the
disturbing greeting moment that I did?

(54:33):
No, I don't think so. So he kind of opens the door to
her house, and she's like standing up on the steps.
And he opens the door. He's like, hey, mayor.
And then he runs to give her a kiss.
And he has this like, like this grunt that he does like this,

(54:56):
like this. It was just weird noises being
made as he was. And I'm like, is this like
excitement happening as you're getting to your other wife or
these just noises coming out as you're jumping up the stairs or
like, what is this? But it was like this.
And then he kissed her and I'm like, what are you doing?

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Were the vibes like awkward? It was, I just couldn't tell if
he was extremely excited or if it was just a grunt that
happened. OK.
And I because it was almost likenerdy, you know?
And I'm like, are you just beinglike a little schoolboy kissing
your soul mate or you know what's happening here?
Oh, and they are soul mates, absolutely.

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He said that a couple times too.While he's getting settled in
Meri's house, I think he either has a voice over or a spotlight
moment where he talks about starting a family business and
how that will be a way for them to spend more time together.
So once again, we get these woven stories as we're going
through the episode, which whilerecapping it, makes it sound
like, are they high? I am not high, but this was just

(56:01):
thrown in right here right now. Like again, like another
friendly reminder, like, OK. You are not high, OK.
I'm not next episode, I will be this one.
I'm not high Kody's talking headmoment.
They need the autonomy with business opportunities due to
being on the show. You know, he's looking for some

(56:24):
independence their way to make money.
Oh, of course he has to do the whole like, you know, because
we're public polygamist. We couldn't even have a job.
And it's like shut up like so many people.
No, it I feel like it would be aminority of employers that would
care about this. So it seems just like a made-up
thing now. But Meri also says that she
thinks having four homes makes Kody crazy.

(56:48):
That tracks. I thought that was great, but
she again, she said she likes having her own house.
She just doesn't like not seeingKody every day.
So that's the difference. But she's like, I like my own
place. This is fine for me.
Yeah, well, Meri's starting to talk to some people on the
Internet maybe. I think this might be Meri's,
like, parallel to win those wives and housewives and

(57:12):
whatever. Back in the 90s or whatever,
when the Internet started and there was like all these like
chat room things and like peoplebeing whatever.
I think Meri, because she's polygamist and behind the Times
Now she's being like, there are strangers on the Internet I can
talk to now. No reference to that in this
episode. And I might be making this up.
It might not be true, but I suspect this is when Meri's

(57:36):
like, oh, I don't mind. And that Kody's not here.
Just saying. And then all of the Saints
arrive at Meri's home. All of the women show up.
Janelle purse on hand, purse, purse on arm, walked in with
that purse. And it's like, yes, Janelle in
that purse walking into every scene with that purse.

(57:57):
So good. They're all sitting around the
table at Meri's Place, and I guess Kody starts off the
conversation with his first ideaabout a business opportunity.
I just love business opportunity.
It's such a great phrase for them.
And he's enthusiastic about somesort of healthy food business.
Yeah, a franchise in the food and health area, I guess,

(58:22):
whatever you want to say. And to me, this whole
conversation seems so juvenile. If you're literally trying to
figure something out to support your family.
Like I, I just where, where are the actual ideas of things that
are going to make people money? What are we talking about?

(58:42):
They're not talking about anything.
They're not talking about anything.
Right. I was assuming this conversation
was actually going to be a little bit more substantial.
It seemed to basically kind of trail off after a couple of
things are batted around, like Janelle, when Kody says this,
there's some, let's say it goes over like a lead balloon or

(59:03):
something. I don't know.
It just doesn't land because they're like, why would we do
this? Because like, why would they?
Like, honestly, why would they? And then Janelle, you know, make
some reference to how some of her ideas in the past have just
been shut down and how that's how it kind of operates when
you're trying to start a family business with five spouses.
Right. And they really all need to be
on the same page about it and they all need to be excited

(59:27):
about it in order for something to work.
But get like, I guess when they were having a business meeting,
I thought they just had more to talk about.
They didn't have anything to talk about.
This is all just Yahoo. Over very quickly Meri brings up
a go to the couch. Oh my God, she talks about how
she wants to work again with at risk youth.

(59:49):
Now, this, this would be something you would expect.
See, I don't know what the conversations are before a
meeting like the one they had atMeri's house.
That wasn't really a meeting 'cause it was just a stupid
conversation, you know, Wouldn'tthey know?
Like, would it be OK if Meri waslike, listen, I want to get back
into doing what I'm passionate about?
Wouldn't you be like, Amen, Mayor?
Go for it. Like love it.

(01:00:10):
Let's support that. Why would you in any way make it
seem like you shouldn't do that and you should support a family
business that we don't know whatit is yet?
Good question, Robyn. Good question.
Good question, Robyn. Why would we not support what
Meri wanted to do? Robyn, why would we not?
Robyn does a guilt trip, a guilttrip to Meri for not, you know,

(01:00:35):
jumping on board with this hypothetical idea that's going
to support their family and bring her no joy, I'm sure.
And Robyn, it's like you're abandoning me and whatever.
And you said we'd be a family. And she does this, like, shriek
on the couch and it's like, oh, I'm kidding, haha.
I'm joking. I don't really mean this, but

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you fucking meant it, you bitch.You meant it that she wasn't
signing up for exactly what you wanted her to do.
Yeah. And you were giving her a guilt
trip. Yeah, and Robyn defaults to this
adolescent voice. This like preteen reaction to
these moments. This is not the first one.
There was the face contortion ofthe square to the trapezoid and

(01:01:19):
now there's Robyn being like yousaid, we were a fan.
You need it's like why are you doing this?
Like just talk like a normal person.
Also, you're talking to your sister wife supposed to be one
of your best friends, and this is how you're reacting.
And once it's also weird too when you see these situations
where all of the wives are together.
What must be going through Janelle's mind particularly, but

(01:01:42):
also Christine's. But I there's so many times
where I feel like Janelle's juststaring off because she's like,
I can't even. I.
Can't take it with these people.What would you even say to this
and what are you 14? One of the other things they
said after that, I don't remember if it was the couch
moment or while they were still in their meeting, but it was
something along the lines of, yeah, we probably have to have
like a business and some jobs. Like we probably have to have

(01:02:05):
both. Like we probably don't have a
business that we're going to start right off the bat that's
going to support all of us. Like we need both.
So sure, Meri go and work and Janelle is going to figure
something out and she'll go backto work and that's how it's
going to go. But Robyn just doesn't want to
have anything trying to push herto do more than what she's

(01:02:27):
trying, right? So she doesn't want anybody else
to look better or like they're putting more efforts forth than
she is. So no, you can't do that.
You have to do this with me. Yeah.
So I don't have to work. Yeah, Janelle makes some
reference to wanting to leverageher skills that she has.
Now, this is a very rational thing to say, Like, hey, if
we're going to do something with, if you and I were going to

(01:02:48):
start a business, I would. I think one of the first things
I'd say is, hey, if there's an opportunity for me to use my
skills and we could get some joyout of it, then that's great.
Like, it'd be lovely, normal. My God.
At the end of the day, though, it didn't seem like they landed
anywhere. It was just like, OK, so that's
done now. And.
Can't wait to see when it's revisited in the future and how,

(01:03:08):
because yes, what a joke. Well, the next time we talk
about it, they're all of a sudden have this wonderful
enterprise and everything's beautiful.
Kody, Meri and Leon are going tohead to the park for their
activity. So yes, this meeting did end or
didn't end, no idea. And now all of a sudden, Kody,
Meri and Leon are walking through the park and the sun is

(01:03:29):
setting. It's a little, you know, it's
evening and I'm going, oh, I wonder where they're on their
way to or I wonder where they'regoing or what they're going to
do. Are they going to have a, a
picnic? Are they going to watch a, a
movie in the park at night? And Oh no, they do come across
some swings and then they swing on those wings.
But at the beginning of this, itwas kind of funny because they

(01:03:50):
were getting ready to go. They were in the kitchen at
Meri's and Meri was asking, or maybe Kody was asking Leon, if
they were coming with them. And Kody was like, well, you can
come with, that's fine. And Meri was like, Leon looked

(01:04:11):
at Meri and was like, don't you see her hesitation?
Like maybe she wants to have like a date night alone with you
and you know, whatever. But alas, they still all went
together, so that's fine. But I did think it was a cute
moment where Leon recognized like, Oh no, mom might actually
be asking you for time alone is really maybe.
What she's looking? For yeah, yeah, but they do go

(01:04:34):
swinging instead. And Kody was like, don't fall
off the back of the swing. How kind of him.
And I just thought, well, this totally seems like what they
would do on an evening when Kody's over at Meri's.
It seems very natural, seems very normal.
Seems what they would do doesn'tseem out of place and at all for
filming. No, no, no.
Seem very natural and organic. Yeah.

(01:04:57):
And then we cut to the next morning.
So that was Meri's day. The nice thing about Meri's day,
well, we are still going to havesome more time at Meri's in the
morning. I don't want to make it sound
like she has no more time with Kody, but it was interesting
that Kody showed up at her houseand then left for a minute, came
back, they had a meeting and then they went to the park and
that was like Meri's day. I'm like, well, what else
happened? Because there was plenty of the
rest of the day, but whatever. The next morning when they are

(01:05:20):
showing Meri's house, Kody is bothering Leon because it is
morning. So Leon and Meri are going on a
road trip. They're going somewhere, they're
going to visit someone. So it seems like it's early in
the morning and Meri's probably up getting her stuff ready,
doing whatever. And Kody's assisting by being a
wonderful father and trying to ensure that Leon is up and Adam
and ready to go. Also just staying out of the way

(01:05:42):
because that's. Some of that, too.
Some of that. Too, when teenagers are getting
ready in the morning, you just stay out of the way.
Stay out of the way. So Kody goes into Leon's room
and turns this overhead light on.
And it's funny because at first I didn't know what was going on.
He's just going into a room and turning this light on.
And then they cut to Leon off the bed, getting up and like,
turning the light back off and sitting back down.
And it was like, yes. And Kody's totally doing that.

(01:06:04):
Parent. Look, I'm like, all right, OK,
like, here we go. Here it is.
I'm starting to understand this teenage vibe thing way more in
the last, well even just first few months of like school
getting started and stuff but now like Oh my God like you just
don't know what you're in for. At all, Yeah.

(01:06:25):
So that's so fun. It's a great way to operate
throughout your day. They cut to Meri sitting on the
stairs and her rental and Kody'skind of doing things like he's
gathering things or standing over her or whatever.
And there's a point where Meri says such a teenager and like,

(01:06:46):
let's just having a time. And then there's this moment
where what is what does Meri sayto trigger this story?
I don't OK, OK, OK. I think what it was was that
Kody said he's asked sometimes if it gets confusing about where
you wake up. Like, do you get confused where

(01:07:08):
you're waking up in the morning?And he was kind of like, yeah, I
mean, sometimes I do. And then gave this really
awkward example of when that happened, supposedly.
Oh yeah. Supposedly.
Oh, it really happened. I am not buying this for a
second, no because really what Ithink happened was he woke up in

(01:07:29):
the middle of the night at another wife's house and said I
love you Robyn and it wasn't this way.
But anyway, he said that he in the middle of the night, woke up
at Robyn's house once, but thought he was at Meri's and
just blurted out in the middle of the night, I love you Meri.
And then Meri was like, you did not.

(01:07:51):
And there's this whole weird it.It was weird because they were
like making it sound like he woke up and was talking about
like having sex with Meri or something.
Like, like they made it seem so outlandish that something like
this could happen. And then they were embarrassed.
And then Leon came in and it wasjust this weird.

(01:08:14):
And it was like, stop talking about it.
It's like, Oh my God, what are you guys doing?
When the vibe to me was that none of that ever happened and
that Kody Meri brings this up. Kody answers.
And then it almost feels like inreal time you can watch him make
up the lie, start saying it, realize as he's saying it that

(01:08:35):
it actually isn't even necessaryto be saying.
But now he's got to stick with the story of how he did this and
tries to like awkwardly end it. And it's like what?
This did not happen. No, I don't believe that it
happened for a second. And also one of the things that
he says is that it made his toescurl.
Thinking about it right now, I think toes curling is a

(01:08:59):
different feeling, a little bit like I don't know what he's
talking about, I don't know whathe's talking about.
That's gross. This.
Is it? It seemed very made-up and it
seemed like Kody was just literally making it up on the
fly and. 50%. Poor Meri's just sitting there
like, I guess I have to believe these lies.
I just have to go along with whatever Kody says.

(01:09:22):
And then he goes into talking about how they're soul mates,
you know, and yet that they fight like teenage brothers and
sisters. And I thought, we don't need to
compare our spouses to siblings.We don't have to do that.
They have been married a long time.
I mean. But yes, he he says, I think

(01:09:44):
something literally like quote, I married my soul mate when I
married Meri. Like, OK, remember that, Kody
Brown, remember that. It's also funny because during
this exchange, there's like, Meri's sitting on these stairs,
Kody's hovering around and Leon's gathering things, getting
ready to head out the door and is kind of, you know, making

(01:10:04):
motions and making faces and scoffing and doing whatever.
And as Leon walks through, at one point, Meri does the
strangling motion to Kody, like strangling Leon's neck.
And I laughed out loud. So I was just like all the
number of times that parents have just their kid has walked
out of the room and it's like. How did I create this monster?

(01:10:28):
And it was so funny because in away it was.
It was also relatively tame. There wasn't any blow UPS, but
you could tell it was just a morning of like, are we
frustrated? We're OK, We're frustrated.
No, everything's fine. Like, Oh my God.
Well, because you just don't know what's going to ruin
everything and oh gosh, it is landmine everywhere, you know.

(01:10:49):
And then I guess Marion Leon hitthe road and we get Kody going
over to Janelle's. So Janelle's next step on the
roster. And Janelle tells Kody something
and he straight up oh OK So whatI love about this.
Janelle tells Kody something and.
Sometimes I'm like, I got to stop reading my literal notes.

(01:11:10):
Like it's a thing that's happening.
When Kody arrives at Janelle's house, it's so funny.
He walks in and he's going down.There's like, this hall or
whatever, coming back to the back of the house where there's
the kitchen and the living area and whatever.
He's coming down the hall and she's turning the corner,
talking about, you know, set your stuff there or do whatever.
And she's in the middle of a sentence and he just grabs her

(01:11:30):
face and kisses her in the middle of her sentence.
And she kind of had that moment afterwards of like, yeah.
And then, you know, whatever. And he's like, yeah, I'll take
it up or whatever. And it was, I thought actually a
very cute moment because he's coming in, she's straight up
talking about like something that needs to happen or
something that's happening and he just grabs her face and
kisses her. And I thought it was actually
cute. And it does remind me of when

(01:11:50):
they were talking about their place in their relationship now,
how they've all, they found thisnew place and Janelle's this
opening up to Kody in these new ways.
And I'm like, Kody walked in andwas like, I'm kissing you right
now mid sentence. And I was like, that's cute.
So I have to give him his one little flower for that one, his
one little wilting flower. Fine, fine.

(01:12:15):
Yeah, that's all we have to say about that.
Kody says. He wants to get out of sales and
he wants to own his own business.
But he knows he can do anything in cells.
Not sales, but. Cells, yeah.
Because it's all about communication.
So he just knows he could alwaysdo that, that's fine.
But he doesn't want to do that. But he just knows he could

(01:12:36):
always do anything about it cuz it's just about communication,
yeah. I love that bit about sales
because my whole life, like people have always been like,
you should be in sales. You're a great communicator.
I'm like, no, these these are not aligned.
Like it actually does take a special skill set to be good at
sales. And are we ever aware that
Kody's good at sales? No.
No, I don't think we've been told.
That all indicators actually aligned to the opposite.

(01:12:59):
But just because you can talk topeople does not mean you're good
at sales. No, actually, you have to be a
better listener to be good in sales than you do a talker and
communicator. You have to be a very good
listener, yeah. Well, that's probably why I was
not cut out for sales. He does say that it would be

(01:13:20):
better or no, No, no, no, I'm sorry for Janelle.
This is better that they're in business mode, right?
So they have their new relationship thing blossoming,
whatever. But she is also like, thank God
we're starting to talk about this because I don't know if you
all know this, but we only have finite resources.
So we probably need to start building those resources.

(01:13:45):
That's great. She's also been missing Kody.
She experiences this as in theirnew homes with the separate
homes, she found herself missingKody, which is I guess that
makes sense if you actually loveyour spouse, that you're
probably going to miss them while they're gone three out of
four days. Yet usually if you're like,
thank God they're gone, you start to realize other things,
Yeah, you know, like I just maybe don't need them here

(01:14:08):
anymore. Thank God they're gone.
Yeah, you know, because that happens too.
When that starts happening, yeah, she's not there yet.
She's still like I miss Kody. But they are going to take a
drive, they're going to go look at some property, they say,
right? Before they leave on this drive,
there is a couch moment and I don't remember if it's just the

(01:14:28):
wives of Kody's there where Christine talks about how she
when they're talking with the business bit and starting a
business before they leave on this drive, Christine's like
yes. And you know, there's just that
thing about having an idea and then like taking it and getting
it into action and starting something with that.
And Janelle was like, that's what I'm good at.
And it was so funny because in the moment I was like, yes,

(01:14:49):
Steve, you tell them and then like 2 seconds later I was like,
oh, but is that really true? Because I don't think it is
true. And I think that's just the role
Janelle thinks she should play. We'll see, you know, we'll see
how Janelle's latest business venture goes.
Maybe it'll be good, but I don'tknow.
I think that's kind of her story, how we all have stories

(01:15:10):
about ourselves. Not sure if it really aligns,
but Amen. Well, I think she does have a
better ability to do it than Christine, at least at this
point does. Certainly so.
Yeah, more than anyone other than Meri, maybe.
But right, right. So they do go to look at
properties. We don't really see footage of
this. They leave and then that's that.

(01:15:30):
Parked on the side of the road, they're looking at a lot that's
like 5 acres and the foothills or whatever.
Yeah, it doesn't look great, butit's just just kind of yeah,
them on the side of the road andand.
Then that's that, right? I kind of expected the way that
they were talking about it, thatwe would at least see them doing

(01:15:51):
a little more than that, but apparently that's all they had
time for in this drawn out episode.
Oh my gosh. But before they laugh.
Yes. Before they laugh, Yes.
Was it Paden or Hunter? I don't know.
It was not Hunter. It was a younger voice.
It could have been even Garrison.
It was one of the young boys. Yeah.
So they were walking out the door, Janelle or Kody or both

(01:16:14):
were saying Logan's in charge, listen to Logan, don't burn the
house down. And yes, young boy voice as
they're closing the door behind them goes well, what if I do
burn the house down And it was like.
What would happen if I did burn the?
House down. Fuck, you know, so like, let's
just not like, let's just not. Oh, I got.

(01:16:37):
I definitely loved that moment. It was very funny.
It reminded me of being a kid and my dad saying that me being
like, well, what happened? Like shut up.
Right. Like you don't want me to tell
you. Yeah, OK.
What would happen? You would lose all of your
belongings. You would.
Be homeless. We would not have anywhere to
live. It would be very, very terrible
and bad. You could die, yes, like.
And if you did burn the house down, we would probably try to

(01:16:59):
have you institutionalized because you burned down our own
home. Right.
Like not a good sign. It was good, it was funny, it
definitely was. Janelle talks about there being
a benefit to putting out positive energy, about finding
the properties close to each other or of one big home.
She feels that if she engages inthe process with positive

(01:17:20):
thoughts that more likely thingswill work out for them.
I thought that was something. Well, I think she more than
anybody goes with the flow to anextent, right?
Like she knows we can't magically make things appear and
we can't do whatever. But I'm going to try to put out
the right vibes to, you know what apps.

(01:17:41):
And I think that's totally what she does quite often throughout
their experience, you know? What is what did she say?
It's like brain damage with thisgroup.
Yes, all that positive energy. Well, that was after the choice
had been made. She's just dealing with the
consequences. But.
If I don't stay positive, I'm crazy.

(01:18:01):
It's. Like brain damage, right?
She does such a good job, Yeah. She's she is a trooper.
She has very few breakdown moments, comparatively speaking.
I mean, honestly. I think she keeps herself
together quite well. So quick recap, right?
Just to make sure we're on the same page.
So Monday night he was with Christine, Tuesday night he was

(01:18:22):
with Robyn, Wednesday night he was with Meri, and Thursday
night he's with Janelle. So this is Thursday.
So we're going through his this is the four lives of Kody Brown.
So we've gone through a few daysof his life, right.
They also did say something about how Kody and Janelle had
some or Kody's that I think likesome of their first to get like

(01:18:44):
their first kid that was born into the family was Logan,
right? Like they had some pretty, you
know, big first as a couple moments together, which has been
nice for them. But that she also had been
really supportive, like when he and Meri had gone through a
tough time and she was like, youknow that Meri is worth working

(01:19:04):
this out, so you're going to work it out with her.
He highlights that she has an extreme dedication to the
family. Like she's always about putting
the family first. Yeah.
Oh, and then we get this fabulous scene.
This is so great. This is so great.
Kody is going to mount this TV. Sure he is.

(01:19:28):
This is what they'd have us believing is that Kody is going
to mount ATV in Janelle's livingroom.
So he's doing whatever hustle and bustle and all the TV, all
the box of things, and he's looking and he's looking and he
can't find the hardware. And clearly Janelle is trying to
help, looking through boxes and looking through totes and I
don't know where it is. So he decides he needs to go to

(01:19:51):
Christine's and then he needs togo to Robyn's to search for
these nuts and bolts. Like you said earlier, he was
probably at Christine's for 5 minutes, held truly, held baby
truly for two minutes, went to the garage and looked and then
went I'm going to leave you the garage so I don't even have to
say goodbye. But also like when like a
cyclone through all of these women's homes, like I'm just
going to rush in. I'm going to ruin whatever you

(01:20:14):
have going on in your day. I'm going to demand that you try
to help me find this thing that is out there.
And then I'll rush out because that's just what men do.
But anyway. That's what Kody Brown does,
yes. So he does do that, clearly,
because Christine's coming down the stairs like, oh, Kody's here
with that. She's holding truly, and truly's

(01:20:35):
dead. And it was like, oh, but then as
quickly as he arrived, he came and left.
What a shock. Well, he didn't come, but.
Yes, as quickly as he yes, I'll put the word come in there
somewhere. So then he goes to Robyn's to
search and you know, he probablyhad a Matty Petty probably got

(01:20:57):
him head massage. Maybe he did come.
That trip, he probably did come.He was like, this is not the nut
that I was looking for, Robyn, Igotta go.
I was looking for a different kind of nut in a different kind
of boat. So then he goes to the hardware
store apparently, and, you know,for some reason can't find
something there, which I also find to be of interest because

(01:21:20):
it's like, what store did you goto and what were you looking
for? Is this like a piece of the NASA
space station? Like what?
So he returns to mount the TV and he does get the TV on the
wall. It looks like it's going to stay
on the wall. So this is good.
And after he's done, we get a cut to him looking down in like
probably the box that was right there the entire time.

(01:21:43):
And he pulls up one of those like things where there's all
the like nuts and bolts in the packaging and he's just like, it
was here the entire time. Now, my biggest piece of
irritation of this whole thing, well, just all of it really was
irritating. But it's a man looking for
something, right? So, and I would say, no offense

(01:22:04):
to you, but you kind of are a man looking for things sometimes
too. So because you do have a penis,
and so it does still happen. I don't think gay men are
unfortunately left out of the man looking sometimes, but OK,
Kody is looking and there happens to be a big box full of
like screws and nuts and bolts and things.

(01:22:25):
And so this is where he's looking for the things and he
has a, a pen or something that he is going like this.
So ladies and gentlemen, I'm using the pen to separate the
screws to look for what I'm and he does this for a very long
period of time. He just has something that he's,

(01:22:46):
he's digging in this box of screws for, not nothing about
this is an effective way to search for what he's looking for
and the things that he's lookingfor big enough that you know
your pen movement of a screw isn't going to make them
magically appear in front of you.
Like that's not going to happen.So I'm confused about why we're
wasting as much time doing this as we are.
But he was impressed that they had some screws there anyway,

(01:23:08):
just not the right ones. What I think is funny about
where the the bolts were actually found, Chris, is I do
believe that they were like maybe even taped to the TV or
something and like a Ziploc bag and it had either fallen off or
been taken off and just like setdown there.
But like was likely in plain sight of what they were doing

(01:23:29):
this entire time. So, but he wasted half a day
trying to find the bolts that hecouldn't even find at the store
right that then. That we're probably like one or
two feet to the right of him. Right.
Like look behind, yes, like theywere probably sitting right
there on the floor next to wherethe TV was sitting.

(01:23:52):
And we just didn't, didn't look there.
And then Janelle was like, I knew they were here somewhere.
Kody I, He literally says why, Why oh why.
It's like, I don't like to have empathy for Kody.
I don't like to have sympathy for him.

(01:24:12):
But I felt that moment just like, yeah, we've all been
there. We haven't all made the same
choices, but we've all found something where it was like,
why? So that was fun.
It was just fun to witness him having that moment.
Yeah. And poor Janelle just being in
the room, like, well, we're going to make the best of this,
right? Like we're not.
You know, Chanel is like, I got my fucking TV on the wall.

(01:24:32):
That's all I care about. I don't care what he went
through to do that. I don't fucking care.
I got the TV. She's.
Probably like I should have justasked Logan to do this.
I don't even. Literally why wasn't it done
already? We could have done this.
She could have done it herself. You.
Know that's funny, she's like picking on Robyn for the damsel
in distress bit when she's like,I'm just going to leave this TV
here for Kody. Yeah, and Robyn's like, I would
have hung the TV myself so that I didn't have to deal with that.

(01:24:54):
Like bitch, please. Bitch, please.
Kody talks about how things are challenging at times, which is a
great transition off of this nuts and bolts story, but it's
worth it. It's worth it for him.
He loves his family. He loves his wives.
They cut to being on the couch and there's like this extreme
close up of Kody, which is always, I don't know why they've

(01:25:14):
got to do that. I don't know why the close up
has to be like under chin, like right here.
Like why can't you just be back a little bit?
Not sure. And he says he is omnipresent in
the big house. He was omnipresent in the big
house and that's when he had thebig eyes.
I know it was like, it looks like he's on crack, like he's
just like going on and on about how it used to be and it was

(01:25:34):
like. Omnipresent, and it looked like
his eyes were going to burst outof his head.
He was intense and it's like, dude.
He's he's got some highs and lows and that was something it
was like, whoa. But what's funny is because it's
just a couch moment, they just move on as if it's whatever.
We didn't see any reaction to that behavior.
We just saw it and we were like,whoa.

(01:25:56):
You should definitely be drug tested, but we're going to move
on. Like, all right, sounds good.
Jeez. And then was it Meri Christine?
Christine Christine said that she thought that Kody looks like
he has aged 10 years in the lastfew months.
Yeah, yeah. Meri was like, wow, he hasn't

(01:26:18):
aged 10 years and Christine is like, ah, yeah, have you looked
at him recently? Well, Robyn kind of agrees with
Christine's statement at first. Like, not necessarily like,
100%, but like, oh, yeah, yeah. And then Meri's doing the whole,
oh, I don't know. But it's like, no, you know, And
Christine talks about how he's always scowling.
Right, Well, maybe it's just at my house then.

(01:26:40):
Like maybe at my house. He's just so miserable every
single time. Well, you know when your husband
is always scowling at your houseand he's aged 10 years and three
months, So, you know, God, this is a transition point, an
opportunity for Meri to talk a little shit, saying that she's
found herself angry with Christine in the past and she

(01:27:01):
wants to shake her because it's like, you need to be a better
partner to Kody. This is so delusional because
Meri sells this story to everybody.
She sells it to herself. She buys it over and over again.
It's the worst story and it's the worst sale.
She should have returned it 20 years ago.
Oh, you have to be a better spouse to Kody.
You have to be better. Every time Meri talks about
this, it's always like, swallow your own feelings.

(01:27:23):
Don't be who you are. Just look at the mountain like.
How's that worked out for you, Meri?
Right. How'd that work out for?
You terrible advice. It's unsympathetic and it's
actually just kind of it's just shitty.
Like even if you feel like that,there's a better way to say it
than like I'm angry with you because you're doing whatever.
Like it's like she doesn't even want to coach in an in a helpful

(01:27:43):
way, even if she thinks that would be the best thing.
Kind of just just, I think as a viewer it's supposed to rub us
the wrong way. Wow.
Right, it does. And I think that the biggest
problem with it, though, is thatit's basically saying that the
only one that's responsible to fix the problem is Christine,
and that Kody doesn't have to change anything, and that her

(01:28:05):
complaints are ultimately not valid because really, it's just
that Christine isn't trying hardenough to make Kody happy.
Now that's fucked up if you havefour women getting a quarter of
a person's time, and that's being generous for a few of
them, right? If you have 4 women getting this
much it, it should be more on that person dividing their time

(01:28:28):
to provide those women with the relationship that they deserve
in said limited time, then on the other person to suck it up
buttercup and just kiss his ass to make him happy.
And PS by the way, I think to anextent they have all done that
plenty over the years and it didn't fix a single problem

(01:28:53):
because the problems they still existed.
Imagine that. Yes, yeah.
Fuck off, Meri I. Know it made me.
I was disappointed in Meri to hear that honestly.
Especially because it's one thing if you think, oh, Fast
forward to 10 years later and she'll have seen the error in
her ways. Nope.
She continues this same narrative and it is terrible.

(01:29:13):
Yeah, and I really just do feel for Christine in this moment
because she's she's going through the wringer with her
feelings. Like it's not like she is saying
I'm right and he's wrong and she's she's trying to understand
it too, right? Like she is trying to figure out
what she wants, how she wants it, what can make it better.
She said that their relationshipused to be easy when she was the

(01:29:37):
last wife. Her relationship with Kody had
been really, really easy. And obviously that's a way
different now that Robyn has come in.
And it was sad because this was one of the times when she said I
just don't feel special anymore.And it's not on her to make
herself feel special from her husband.
That is on her husband to show that she is some sort of

(01:29:57):
priority in his life, which he is not doing.
So fuck off, Meri. Like no.
I know my take away overall was that it feels like I don't know
if it's just Meri. I do feel like it might be a bit
of a broader thing in this family, but it almost seems like
shaming each other when it comesinto these situations is their
default. More than, you know, being there

(01:30:18):
to like share and help and like to be an actual sister wife, to
like actually be a supportive person.
It's like, well, I'm just going to shame you about this.
And if you don't correct yourself, then that's that.
And it's like, oh God, it's justnot a very mature perspective to
take. No, not helpful.
That's that's obvious. So let me cut to like a real

(01:30:39):
time scene. So we must have returned back to
Christine's or something, or maybe the kids are at someone
else's home, blah, blah, blah. But Aspen and Mckelty are
arguing about something in the kitchen.
I feel like Kody's like on his phone, which is funny because
Kody's always on his phone. And then he's like, oh, I'd have
to pay attention because my kidsare arguing.
And so he goes over to the kitchen and kind of like gets

(01:31:00):
not between, but Aspen and Mckelty are doing their thing.
And he says, I will ground both of you.
And Peyton was standing between him and he goes, please do.
It was so cute. It was like they were all four
in like the same 4 square foot area or something.
Yeah and the 2 girls are fighting and Kody's trying to
get him to stop and. And Payton just like pops up

(01:31:23):
from right behind like please do.
He was so excited. Oh.
Good. It was adorable.
There's nothing quite like seeing your sibling get in
trouble. It's like, especially when
you're like, you deserve it, Yeah, this is payback, blah,
blah, blah. Yes, it was so.
So that was funny. Then there's a cutaway to a part
that I don't know, It kind of hit me in this weird way
because, well, as you've talked about and what we've discussed,

(01:31:45):
Meri gets an unflattering light many times.
There are things that Meri does and we find out later that some
of the other adults and some of the other children do not like
particularly with some like sternness and firmness and maybe
too much aggression with discipline and things like this.
And, you know, Meri's anal. Meri cares about her home.

(01:32:07):
She cares about her a place not functioning as a hallway for 20
people. Like she's particular, she's
anal. She might overreact to some
things. And they definitely do not
skirt. They only skirted a little bit.
They they, they kind of polishedthe edges, but they're always
throwing her under the bus. And so it was great to see this
moment where Isabel was talking about how sweet Meri is to her

(01:32:29):
and she said she's so nice and Christine and oh, this right,
This is this moment where they're in the living room,
right? Like it's Christine and Kody and
Isabel. And so I I know that the take
away from this moment is that actually Christine says the only
one that Isabel is ornery with is her.

(01:32:50):
And so they're kind of demonstrating a couple things
here. You know one the child is
probably the most poorly behavedfor their mother.
Always. Every single time.
And so that one I knew I was, I like, looked over at you and was
like, this is a shared experience.
Yes. The part that stood out to me
more was Isabel talking about Meri and that she's so nice.

(01:33:10):
And I think there's this talk inthe Sister Wives universe and in
the community about how Meri's so terrible.
Meri's abusive. We don't know all the details.
And she may have crossed lines and she may have been
inappropriate, but there are multiple examples of children
that will love Meri and want to spend time with Meri.
And it's like people get along better with people than they
don't and blah, blah, blah. And there's just some

(01:33:31):
connections. There's ups and downs, there's
stages that it's better. It certainly seems like she does
really well with the teenagers, but maybe when they're younger
it's not quite as easy and you know, who knows?
I mean, I we all have our good moments and our bad moments.
One of the type of personalitiesthat people have can literally
align better. Like if Isabel likes to go to

(01:33:52):
Meri's because she's like, I like to color and talk with Meri
and it's just a good vibe for her.
She likes that. I can imagine kids being in
Meri's place, jumping off the walls and Meri's like, get out
scolding, blah, blah, blah. So, you know, I just, I do love
when there's moments, though, ofthe kids talking about how they
love Meri and how they like Meribecause there's a paint, a
picture painted of her that I think is a little unfair.

(01:34:13):
Yeah, then we cut to outside in Christine yard and the pool is
still there, that pool from their backyard.
Renovation. It's still holding water.
There are people floating in it.At one point Hunter's floating
on a blow up thing and I don't know if it's paid in or someone
went over and like pushed on him.
And it was cute to see him kind of having some time in the pool

(01:34:35):
and Janelle references. He's looked so happy.
Yeah, he's like coming out of his shell.
They drug Kody into the pool andall of his clothes.
There was also an eclipse somewhere.
There was a video of Kody and Christine both floating on air
mattresses in the pool, fully clothed, but we didn't actually
see that in the show. We just saw a clip of it.

(01:34:56):
And I'm like, yeah, of course you're going to be fully clothed
on air mattresses in your pool, obviously.
But yeah, it was. It seemed like everybody was
really enjoying that fun moment.I think it probably reminded
them more of when they were all together in the same house.
And, you know, things like this would happen with everybody
probably more regularly than theeffort that it takes to get
together now. So yeah, that was pretty funny.

(01:35:19):
Well, Christine would have to wear all of her clothes in the
pool because she has to wear her, you know, Mormon pajamas or
whatever. Her sacred ankle.
Ankle to wrist, ankle to wrist. I was.
Going to say ass to elbow but that.
Doesn't work ass to ankle. That doesn't work.
Her whole body needs to be covered except for a hole for
Kody to enter. So she's in the pool fully

(01:35:41):
clothed. Yes, Christine has a spotlight
moment where she talks about being jealous, especially not
being the last wife. Kudos that she's honest about
that, I guess. I mean, clearly it's, she's in
struggle mode. So it's.
Like this is the point where shesays, you know, I used to be so
strong and so independent. And she said, I just need to get

(01:36:03):
back to my core and like how strong I used to be.
And that to me, it kind of ties back in with Meri being like,
you got to get better about it and do what he wants you to do.
Like that to me is her saying I need to fix me and how I feel,
not I need him to behave differently, right?
Like she's she's trying to convince herself that it's all

(01:36:25):
her and she just needs to figureout how to deal with it.
Basically. Like that's what I kind of get
what she's saying at the end here.
And I'm like, no, that's not that's not true.
And my God, there's so many moreyears that she goes through
this, right? Like 7-8 more years after this.

(01:36:46):
There's some weight in this episode about.
Christine, I didn't like it. I didn't either.
I feel like this was the first episode.
Of course. Maybe and.
It's only season 3 like. What?
Yeah. And it just seemed like
Christine is really unhappy and struggling with a lot of things.
And it's weird in a show like this because then it's countered
with these scenes of like, you know, joy and fun and happiness.

(01:37:08):
And like, we're not actually going to dive into it.
We're just going to talk about it and then move on.
Like, Oh my God. Like, as a casual viewer, I
didn't really think like, oh, Christine must be devastated.
I just don't know. It's so.
Weird. No.
And I feel like the next episodeis not going to be as heavy with
Christine's feeling, so we're probably going to go a few more
episodes before we remember that.
Oh yeah, Christine's really upset.

(01:37:29):
And then, yeah, holy cow, all ofa sudden they're divorced.
You know, I mean, to an extent, right?
Like that? All of a sudden, yes, but this
is the beginning of that journeyof, well, it's all starting to
come undone. But noticing these benchmarks of
really Christine from here on out is only going to be happy,

(01:37:49):
probably in temporary bouts like.
And like with your kids and stuff, you know?
So now it's Friday evening, it'sFriday, Friday.
Got to get down on Friday and everyone's gathered at Robyn's
house. It's just a beautiful thing.
They're all so excited because there's some sort of news.

(01:38:09):
Kody talks about how new children add bonding experiences
for the sister wives. Yeah, it's going great.
I don't think he's 100% wrong. I think this pregnancy is
probably the least bonding pregnancy that they have had to
date. I would agree.
And why do we suppose that is well?

(01:38:30):
Because the Hussy's carrying that devil's seat.
Yeah, because she's horrible. I noticed that Christine has
some French tips and she's wearing a shirt that might be a
little tapered under her bosom. And I'm going, this is when
Christine recognized that she was frumpy on TV.
So she's like, I'm going to. She did have a sparkly necklace

(01:38:52):
in her this moment. I'm not going to say she's
walking out looking like you know.
The. Cover of any magazine, maybe
some shitty magazine, but she's trying now she's she's going to
start trying. They have the ultrasound up on
the TV. Robyn is sitting right under
that TV, pointing at things and talking them through.

(01:39:12):
Here's the spine, here's a little toe, here's a strand of
hair and it's beautiful. What gender are they having?
Well, they are having a boy. Oh, thank God.
I don't need. Any more women in that?
Family about it, I guess. I don't know it's. 5:50 They
need more boys. It was pretty like, OK, Yep,

(01:39:33):
we're having a boy. Clap, clap.
All right, we're still excited. We're having a baby, right?
Yep. Clap, clap.
OK, well, that was it. Janelle was probably like.
Yeah, woohoo. Yeah.
Robyn lets us know that Dayton is very excited to not be the
only boy in her brood and to have a younger brother that he
can, you know, form into. It's a monster.

(01:39:56):
And like the age gap here is toomuch for them to be like close.
So she's. Got well, this is it.
Already by. The time the kid will have a
memory date and will be leaving for, well, college and the whole
family will be following. OK, do you have a mustard seed
ready darling? I do.
Oh good. Who's your mustard seed?
Christine. Yeah.
OK, just because I feel bad for her, like I feel like she is,

(01:40:18):
yes, showing us how terrible this all was and especially in
conjunction with her book comingout now, it's kind of
interesting. And no, I have not.
I've only seen like little tidbits and stuff, not read the
whole thing. But I think I just really feel
for Christine. And I don't think that it's a
super abnormal feeling that manywives have and many

(01:40:39):
relationships or even husbands have too, right?
But like I just feel bad for where she's at and like want to
just swoop her up out of there and be like go find something
else now. Yeah, don't waste.
Yeah, my mustard seed. You know, I always struggle with

(01:41:00):
mustard seed sometimes because I'm just going to go with my
default with that Isabel story. I want to give it to Meri.
I don't know. I mean, Meri did have some
shitty moments this episode as well, like telling Christine to
like, suck it up, buttercup. Not a fan of that, but yeah,
God, no. I just feel like I should change
my choice because that was really not cute.

(01:41:21):
That was really not cute. I'm going to change my choice
and I'm going to go. Wow.
I know because ultimately like that Isabelle moment hit me.
Let's because like I had a little Meri in me.
I got a little Meri in me. So I want to like give her some
grace, but I'm really going to give my mustard seed to Janelle
because she is a pretend boss bitch and I can tell that she's

(01:41:46):
or it seems like she is trying to actually get the family to
move in some direction. Let's start a business.
Let's leverage our skills. She's trying to do the right
thing and she is surrounded by brain dead idiots.
It's brain damage with this group.
A second to know, yes. Yes, now I have a feeling our
shit stains are going to be obvious.
Which one are you going to pick,darling?

(01:42:06):
I'm going to go with Robyn. You took Robyn from me.
Well, I'm sorry. You asked me first, and I'm
going with Robyn, OK? Yeah, and I'm going with Robyn
for trying to guilt trip Meri, for wanting a career.
Yeah. And for saying that we were
going to be a family and there was another Robyn moment.

(01:42:27):
Oh, that will just the whole husband.
I just doubt on him or don't on him.
Doubt. I doubt on him.
That would be better. I don't on him when he's around
so that we could have our honeymoon time.
Fuck off. Like I just yeah, no, no, no.
OK, that's a good shit stain. My shit stain goes to Kody Brown

(01:42:47):
because Kody Brown, well, he always deserves a shit stain,
but in this episode making it seem like he almost deserves
some sort of like extra kudos for going.
For me for. How hard I have to be.
Yeah. Like, he's some sort of victim
of his own circumstances. And he even says that I think in
the episode, like people are going to say blah, blah blah.

(01:43:09):
I don't feel bad for you, no. Well no we don't and no one
should. So congratulations, shit stain
goes to Kody. That one is easy.
Our Keep sweet moment this week comes to us from Apple Podcasts.
Now this one is an internationalreview.
We've gone global and it is fantastic because, well, what's

(01:43:30):
funny is if you have an iPhone, you use Apple Podcasts in
America. You don't see reviews from other
countries. They only show you reviews from
your country. So I went online and was looking
us up on some website where theywere posting analytics or doing
something and there's these comments from other countries
where I'm like, I didn't even see these.
And one is from Ruth and Saltaire.
Now SALT TAIRE in the UK, so Saltaire, I don't really know

(01:43:56):
how that would. Be.
I think it's, yeah. I don't have anything else yet.
So Ruth and Saltaire says our show is fascinating, which is
wonderful. Now, this is great.
My relationship with the Browns is as dysfunctional as the
myriad of dynamics we see on theprogram, which I'm like, what an
eloquent way to say that. Like, Oh my gosh.
She also says she's enjoying ouranalysis and sharing the

(01:44:19):
exasperations and aghast reactions that we experience
every time we watch it. Well.
Thank you, Bruce. So.
Ruth is giving us some real props, some far more well spoken
props than I would give us. So thank you so much for that,
Ruth. We appreciate it.
Well, she understands how painful it is to do this so.
She's like, what is wrong with this family?

(01:44:39):
Why do we do this? Yeah, we still are wondering the
same thing and we don't know whywe're here.
Yeah. Thank you for joining us on this
unnecessary journey, Roof. Unnecessary, right?
Torturous journey. Literally unnecessary, yet here
we are. Amen.
Well, we're just getting we're not quite balls deep into season
3. Oh, my voice like cracked when I
did that. It sounded like I was a

(01:45:00):
teenager. Balls deep.
We're not quite balls deep into season 3, but we're getting
there. We're we're warmed up and we're
ready to. Go just the tip.
Yeah, we're just the tip. Get ready for some big things
this season. We're coming in big, long, hard
and fast. Just got a little turned on
there. Maybe we should call some more

(01:45:22):
800 numbers. Maybe I already have, you don't
know. It's like brain damage with this
group. Toodles.

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