Sister Wives S3 E5 - Defending Polygamy - My Sister Wives Podcast

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What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You shut it off.
Do not twist my words. Do not make me a victim.
Sweetie, Just look at the mountain.
That's what you saw that day. Just the knife in the kidneys
over all these years and the sacrifices that I made to love

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you. Last time on my Sister Wives
podcast you asked me if I was high during that episode and I

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denied it and felt firm in my conviction in that denial.
This episode I have been advisedto say I can neither confirm nor
deny. You're pleading the 5th.
I'm pleading the 5th. Yeah.
Well, doesn't that mean I'm justavoiding incriminating myself?

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Yeah, OK, I'm pleading the 5th. Welcome back, listeners.
Off to a great start. Amen as always, of course.
Season 3 episode 5 of Sister Wives defending polygamy.
Now this was an interesting episode.
Holy shit man. I was like OK well now I have

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another Sister Wives character that I don't like so that's fun.
Gotta love that. And there was some fun moments,
some lol moments. There was well, you know, I
don't want to say as always, it was a ride, but this one was a
decent 1 compared to some. We'll we'll, we'll say that
that'll that'll cover. It is a decent one that sounds
good. It's par for the course for.

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Sure. Yeah, yeah.
So the episode opens where we are still at the gender
announcement at Robyn's house. And now we've transitioned from,
oh, it's a boy, it's a boy to what would the name be?
What are the names? And Dayton suggests Cleveland
Brown, which Kody has to explaina few different ways and in a

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few different times, and I don'tknow about that.
It's a sports team. Well, OK, so I have a few things
I have. I have a few things #1 they're
going through these name ideas, but it kind of reminds me of the
wedding dress thing, because after we're going through these
name ideas, we actually find outthat Robyn has already chosen

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the name and she just hopes Kodylikes it.
So it's kind of like the weddingdress thing.
Like we're going to do this whole exercise where people
think that they can actually give ideas and opinions, and
I've already decided what's happening.
So true Robyn fashion. They are #1 and then #2 yes.
So when Dayton says he should benamed Cleveland, they're sitting

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on the couch and Robyn goes, well, is it that a person?
Yeah. And Kody is like, no, it's a
sports team, the Cleveland Browns.
And I still don't think she got it.
But right. Like, wow, You know, it was
just. I'm trying to remember if the
neighbor in Family Guy, his nameis Cleveland Brown.

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It's Cleveland, but I don't remember what his last name is.
But that's a cartoon and not connected.
Yeah, that was the first thing that I thought actually wasn't
even the sports team. It was like a cartoon character.
But yes, the Cleveland Browns, after they talk about Dayton's
suggestion, they go back to Robyn's family room.
And the first recommendation that comes after that is
Christopher. And I was like Christopher.

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And that was quickly brushed aside, dismissed immediately.
So that was kind of cute. And then we cut to cut to
birthing class. We're going to birthing class
now. Kody has helped with every birth
of his other wives because he went to birthing class many,
many years ago. Well, accept the C sections and

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accept this one and accept that one and accept this one and
accept that. One, there were a few
exceptions. Right.
But other than those few exceptions, he has delivered all
the other rest of his children in partnership with either a
midwife or someone. And he helps with the breathing
and the talking and the stretching and the moving, and
he's a great birthing coach. Well, they haven't killed him

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yet, so I guess that's, you know, that's some level of
validation. I think they all say this, the
entirety of the show actually, is that he is a good person to
have in the room when you're giving birth.
Unless he's, you know, asking about his other wife's
infertility and then leaving to go kiss his girlfriend.
If he's not doing those things, then he's really great at
helping with the birthing. Right.

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When they're at this birthing class, Kody says something about
like, I'm sure we're the only polygamist here, but I'm going
to ask. I'm going to rely on Robyn
because she has plague Radar Plague.
Radar. Yeah.
I'm like, it's so that's like gaydar, but for polygamists,
right? Like that's what that is.
Yeah, totally, totally. Yes.
So she has the she has a way of spotting a husband with multiple

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wives in the same room like so she's she can figure that out
well, but in this case, you. Think that might be obvious,
but. But even when there's only one
wife, she has a way of sniffing them out, right?
She has a way. She's got pligdar.
Well, she thinks she has a lot anyway.
She speaks Kody. She this, she that, what the
fuck ever. Unfortunately, her radar is

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going because there are no otherpolygamists in this birthing
class, so it's just them. They're the stars of the
birthing class because we're filming it.
Well, this is it. So Can you imagine actually
being at your own birthing classand being asked if it's okay if
you're on a reality TV show about polygamists?

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Like, first of all, no. Second of all, no.
Like just no. All of it is no.
But these people did, and these.People probably all signed
releases like they were like, I'm happy.
To be in this cash too, you know.
Oh yeah, that they could have been a special class.
Maybe like a grand or something to.
Oh, I don't know about that. But I don't know, 200 bucks. 200

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bucks. When I lived in LA and I had an
office and they used my parking spot to film something and I got
a check for $200 because they used my parking spot in the
office. So you never know.
Sometimes these things just happen.
Well, they're interviewing the midwives.
Midwives. One of the two midwives 2.
I think 1 was a midwife and 1 was like a birthing coordinator

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or something. I don't know that they were.
You did this really lovely boob touch as you said that like you
were like. The midwife.
Right, right. It was just supposed to be a
gesture. It wasn't supposed to be boob
related. But it looked like you were just
brushing up against your. Boo, that one wasn't even boob
related. No, but OK, a a birthing

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coordinator and a midwife, let'sgo with that, are being
interviewed and my I love it because one of them was like,
oh, I've never had a polygamist in class or one that would be
that vocal. Right.
And then she continues on. But I'm going to end with the
vocal because she ended with thevocal and then realized she
needed to continue the sentence.So she's like about their
lifestyle. It's like, no, you just meant

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they talked. They talked a lot.
They took over the class. Certainly it was embarrassing.
And at the end, though, the coordinator lady, I hope I'm
getting her title right, but shesaid something along the lines
of I'd love a sister wife. And then, like, got close to the
midwife and like, put her arm around her and it was like, all

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right, that's funny, you know? Amen.
Good stuff. Here I am saying Amen again.
Yes, Robyn was embarrassing. She did feel like she needed to
talk a lot and I feel bad for her.
And now Kody handed her a bottleof water and they made a scene
about it like it was. Just drinking water, they're so
healthy. Here honey, drink more water.

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It was terrible enough to haunt your nightmares.
Honestly, they've done far worseto haunt our nightmares.
This was not quite it. I'm going to say this is just
normal everyday. Normal everyday irritations,
certainly. So let me cut to some
explanation about them going to Lovell, Wyoming for a hometown

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celebration. This is where.
For Mustang Days. The West the what?
The what days the. Mustang.
The Westing days. Or Mustang Day.
Mustang Days. Mustang Days is the name of the
celebration for the town. Oh, I miss.
You know, it's funny because there's a lot of Mustangs later
in the episode, but I didn't putit together.
Like fleckifest, you know, like it's, it's the yes, Mustang

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days. Mustang Days, Lovell Wyoming,
Mustang Days. That's where we're going.
And it's so exciting because this will be the first time Kody
will be there as an out polygamist with all of his
wives, which is beautiful and wonderful.
He's very excited about it. They're getting packed up.
Obviously, they're driving from Las Vegas because this is what
they have to do is they have to drive.

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So they're going to drive up to Wyoming.
Luckily enough, in this episode we are not tortured by their
journey. Which is great.
Must have been an OK journey. Always love that While they're
getting ready to leave though ofcourse there's the usual brown
chaos so things are happening blah blah blah blah blah.
And I'm happy because we get a Maddie snark Comment it.
Was so good. Where she talks about how that's

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taking them forever to leave andalways takes them forever.
She was so excited to go. Like she's like, yes, we're
going to Wyoming. This is great.
I'm so excited. But I'm so irritated because
these people are horrible. We can't even get out of the
fucking house. Like we cannot even make that
happen. Well, and this is at every time
that they do anything, it's likewhat?
A straw bone Kody starts giving us some background on a specific

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relationship in his life. That Kody was best friends with
Ken. They were in the same religion,
they went to the same school, they were in the same town.
They had a bit of a a reputationin that town for being
troublemakers, which I'm sure istrue.
But then Kody went on his mission, as a young man does.

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Well, and I think they both wenton missions actually.
Though they may have both gone on missions as young Mormons.
That makes sense. And then Kody left the church to
become a polygamist. Well, he had the calling, of
course, when he was on his mission.
And then when he returned, he left the church to become a
polygamist. And Ken and Kody broke up.
Their love affair hit a different place where they were
done and it was very sad. Ken was out of there.

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Ken was like, Kody, you're crazy.
And Kody went, Ken, I am crazy, but you're crazy too.
So they broke up but then luckily 8 years ago they got to
reconnect over business things. So what I love is that Ken must
have done something where Kody could have got some money from
him or something. There was some sort of way that
they came back together which isnice.
So their relationship connected over something not personal and

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now they're friends again. But like kind of ish ish, you
know, like it's there. We'll, we'll get into that.
Yeah, you know, they do live multiple states away.
They don't ever see each other, but they're friends because they
did business together eight years ago.
So now they're going back to level, as we talked about.
And it's a very Mormon community, according to
Christine, very Mormon. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

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though, before they get there and they're showing the cars
drive away from the house. OK, Well, first they're all
like, trying to figure it out and they're packing and
whatever. And I think Christine goes to
Meri. Are we OK on seats?
Because, you know, they have to like figure out the amount of
seats and the amount of people every fucking time they go

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somewhere. Can you imagine?
Like they must just know exactly.
There must be some fast math that happens in their brains to
like place people, which would just stress me out first of all,
but they're going through that process and then the car is
starting to drive away from the house and Christine goes OK,
everybody patient voices, patient voices not too exceeded

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too. And it was like, I'll find their
dirty. And it was just too.
Exceeded too. Funny, I was like yes, and that
was probably followed by otherwise mom's going to lose
her fucking shit and if mom loseher shit, everybody's going to
be pissed. This whole fucking drive.
So keep your acting, you know, like.
She did. She wouldn't have said those
words, but that's what she meant.

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But 2 is a good number, 2 is a good number.
In a car on a trip, we got to keep it at a two.
Yes, keep it at A2. Yes.
And then there's still six of them that are keeping it at a 2,
so it's still like a 17. Yeah, yeah.
So as you said, they have arrived in Lovell, Wyoming.
They describe it as a Norman Rockwell painting.

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Like as you drive up, right. And do you know, like, can you
picture Norman Rockwell? Because I can like my mom used
to have Norman Rockwell all overthe place, but it's just kind of
like that quaint old man, like hat and cane or something, cute
dog, whatever. But just like, not like bright
colors, but old tiny ish, you know, just and it's, it fits, it

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fits. Like everyday, all American
towns like candid. Moments of these yes, I'm going
to show you a picture or Google it maybe if you if you want to,
but a picture of a Norman Rockwell and I think you would
tie it together with what this town looked like.
But it's very specific his way and painting it I guess I should

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say. Looking up Norman Rockwell, this
does make sense. And it's funny that you say that
he was a painter. I didn't even know that he was a
painter. So I thought they were
referencing like an actor or someone who's done movies
basically. Yes.
No, it was, it was the art, but not from Robyn.
So that was great. But yeah, it was a heavy Mormon
community, right? And that's how Kody grew up.

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And he was on the football team that went to state or something,
All American. I don't know.
He had some word about being a football star and a wrestling
star. And yeah, this is just where he
grew up and he is going back. And when he's giving us this
overview of his background and his parents being kicked out of

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the LDS church, so that's the transition as he's going back.
His parents have been kicked outof the church, excommunicated
for becoming polygamists. He's kind of doing this overview
and while this is happening, there are these photos going
over the screen of a young and handsome Kody.
Damn it, I know and I didn't. I wasn't going to talk about it
if you didn't talk about it. I got to talk about it.

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I got to talk about it because there are so few things that we
can give Kody props for now. Can we even give him props for
genetics? I don't think so.
It's not even the genetics, OK, photos like that, a black and
white photo from back in the day.
We are not talking about pickingup every good or bad thing,
right? Like I'm just saying that maybe

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like there's a lot of men that look super handsome in these old
timey photos, right? Like, but I'm only saying that
to try to give some sort of justification for saying that
yes, he did look handsome and I don't want to.
He was good. Looking, but like I'm saying

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that hair, that hair, like if hegot rid of the hair, how come he
can't see it? How come he can't look back at
his younger self and see that hewas attractive?
There must be something that haunts him from his father that
he can't have the short hair or something because.
Maybe his dad always told him heshould have short hair or

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something. You know, like, I don't know,
but any who, yeah. There's definitely something
there that doesn't make sense because Kody was a very handsome
young man and yes, old photos, blah blah blah, but still
obviously very attractive. Kody talks about how his
relationships changed when he joined the cult, so, you know,
to be expected. Well, he, he said that, you

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know, he had come back from his mission.
His faith was changing. You know, everything was
different. And he was maybe naive at first
because he thought that even though he was choosing this new
path of religion, that that wouldn't necessarily mean that
his friends weren't still his friends.
Like he didn't put two and two together, that people were going

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to look at this choice that he was making as something so
crazy. Like he was joining a cult when
they were looking at it, becausehe was joining a cult, but he
didn't put those dots together. He didn't think that would be
problematic. He thought he could just do what
he was going to do and everybodybe like, you do you, bro.
And that's not what happened. Yeah, he got the stink eye from

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people, he said, right? And yeah, because he had joined
this cult. So it's interesting that there's
not more forethought when peoplejoin cults, I guess.
There's really usually not much at all I find.
When they tend to feign this whole like, oh, polygamist with
this other thing and having multiple wives, so crazy.

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But yet there's the sensitivity amongst Mormons.
We don't want to be conflated with these people.
We are not like these people. It's like, well, which one is
it? Like they speak out of both
sides in the show so much. If you know, how do you not know
that if you join a polygamist group that your Mormon friends
aren't going to be happy with you?
It has to have been a thing. It has to your.
Parents were literally just excommunicated.

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From said church. So how?
Do you think you're just going to come back in?
And yeah, no, certainly he was naive.
Also, it's his inflated ego thinking that I can do whatever
I want and it's not going to affect me negatively ever.
Yeah, surely I, Kody Brown, willnot be affected of.
Course not. We cut to the family getting

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together with Ken and Ken's family members now when they're
driving up to this public accessbasically at a lake is what I
assume it is. They're going boating.
They're going boating. So they're going, they're going
to go out on a boat, they're playing.
Christine says we're going boating, we're going boating.
She's so. Excited.
So they're pulling up to this public access, this ramp,
whatever to let the get the boats in the lake.

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And this is where when they pullup though Kody's driving in in
the convertible and I was like. Oh, no, but like when they did
their they did their like salutations outside of a house
before they left to drive to this access right.
Like Ken, yeah, Ken like greetedthem on the street.
But Ken like walks up to the carand it's like, hey to Kody like

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shaking his hand or whatever as Kody's putting the top up on the
convertible to drive away. So this is like the greeting is
the top coming up on the convertible and Ken's like.
That's what I thought too. And then later Kody's like,
well, you know, it was kind of awkward because not like we have
seen each other so much. Not like he's going to greet me
with a Big Bear hug. And it's like, no, because you
were sitting in your fucking convertible putting the top up.

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Like look how fucking cool I am while your bro walks up.
OK, So I was conflating these where I thought that's what they
got to the public access. Either way there, I do remember
that where the tops coming up and it's like, yeah, it's just
so gross. Yeah, it did not.
And of course he drove that up from Vegas, so of course the
other wives are driving vehiclesthat are housing, housing

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transporting how many children? And he's in his two seater
fucking Wiener mobile. It's just ridiculous.
I feel like he planned that perfectly like he knew the exact
amount of seats and vehicles andhe thought I can get A2 seater.
Like he's like, I can do this and the math will still math and
they won't even get mad at me about it and I'm going to do it.

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Except for turns out the wives do get upset about it, which we
learn about in future things because it's like, my child
can't have surgery, but you get to have a convertible.
Like, there's issues, of course,but this is where actually,
Kody, I said it earlier, but he talks about how he and Ken used
to get in trouble. They're locally known, blah,
blah, blah. He's giving us a little bit more
of their background together. Ken's putting the boat in Kody's

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with the family up at the picnictable.
Somehow this is like not known. We have to stop for a second
though because we meet Ken for like 5.2 seconds in between all
of these things happening. Like it doesn't, but OK, Ken is.
Cute. Oh, I don't know how to engage
in this one. I just think Ken is.

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Cute. Allie thinks Ken is cute.
And Chris does not agree with me.
Chris says for me, Ken is cute. And yes, I find there to be an
attraction to Ken. Now, he's not a tall guy, you
know, but he's got he's got what, darkish?

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Not not darkish, no, he's got tan, dark tan skin.
He's got a smile and and his teeth are pretty good.
I don't know. I think Ken is adorable and I'm
just putting that out into the universe.
Unfortunately, you guys, this isnot going to be Matt 2.0.

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I'm not going to be joining. We don't.
Always have to. We don't always have.
To about filling our holes. I didn't say anything about
filling holes. Well, I I must be assuming too
much, I'm just saying. I would let him we have we.
Have she fits? Oh, I wasn't saying anything
about my hole. Well, you know what, Ken is not

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coming near my home, and that's where we're going to leave that.
OK, well, I don't think we need to share.
Well, according to Ken, Kody hasn't changed a bit.
He loves the limelight. In fact, Ken's not even
surprised that Kody went public because it just seems to make
sense. Now he throws these digs out
there. From the get go.

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Constantly, yes. And Kody doesn't even really
pick up on them. Or sometimes they're just
moments where Ken is talking to the camera.
Yeah, but yeah, he is not holding back.
Yeah, like that was a one-on-onemoment.
He's out at the boat like, Oh yes, kind of talking shit.
Like, oh, Kody's up with his family and like, I don't even
know. Must be hard to wrangle 4 wives.

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I'll just be down here doing thehard work.
Oh, his three. Wives.
Oh, I mean four wives. Ken was kind of a Dick, but I
still think he's attractive. Kind of a Dick, yeah.
So he he definitely thought thatit made sense and that he likes
the limelight and he's still somewhat of the center of
attention. This theme carries out
throughout other people that we meet that have known Kody for

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many, many, many, many, many, many years.
And so I love it. I love it.
Ken is not alone in that opinion.
He is not now as Ken's putting the boats in the water.
A storm is a rolling in a. Storm is a Bruin.
Yes, Over those mountains, the sky is literally, well, of
course it's editing, but it's like dark Gray.
It is. There's wind.
It's obvious the storm's coming.And it does, you know, in places

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like Wyoming and Colorado and whatever, like storms do brew
quickly and disperse quickly. We know this.
Whatever, that's fine. But they do this thing where
like at first they're setting upa picnic and then they go to the
boats and then they go, Nope, the storm is coming.
So we're going to go and we're going to eat first so that
everybody gets off of the boats and then they go and eat 1st and
then and they're there for a minute and the storm goes

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through. But it's like this unnecessary
back and forth because nobody can communicate about a plan.
And then all of a sudden they'rewaiting out the storm.
But as they're getting off the boats, there's this conversation
about whether lightning and water is good or bad.
Kody's like, I'm not scared. I should be scared, but I'm not.

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Whoever he's talking to is. Asks Robyn.
Robyn. Are you scary?
And she's like, no. But I mean.
I mean, maybe she, like him, hogs him.
She cracks her face in half and sews it back together and
becomes a person and it's like. But I think Janelle might be a
little scared. And then they cut to Janelle
make it seem like, Can you believe that she's scared of

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lightning with water and she's scared of lightning.
And it's like what? Of course, of course she goes.
We'll just be crispy on the water.
Janelle Rose. It's like it's.
Stupid to be on the water with lightning.
That's what happens. You can get electrocuted you
fucking idiots. No, you know, the the vibe of it
is to me at least, was a little like, OK, Janelle might be a

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little too sensitive about the lightning because she's always
been scared of storms. Meanwhile, I'm going, well, I
completely align with Janelle onthis.
We are not going out onto the lake with lightning.
And then what? I do my my lol moment inside my
little dialogue, my little monologue, my little Ogg.

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You're OG my little Ogg. I don't know if it was even one
thing, I don't even know what itwas.
Was that Janelle scared of storms and she was going to live
in a teepee? Oh well.
Like girl, if you're scared of storms, I don't know that a
teepee is the best place to set up house.
Just sideline distraction. Sorry everyone, ladies and
gentlemen, boys and girls, I apologize but I had an lol

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moment there. I didn't even put those dots
together but I understand the lol moment.
Like the crack of Thunder and a teepee would probably be insane.
Yes, but it's not on water. That's.
Different. That is, it is not.
On water, I I think she had a specific reason that lightning
and water was scary to her. And just you guys, just in case

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you don't know, it is because itshould be like it just is.
And especially we don't go on metal boats in water with
lightning. It's just not worth it, kids.
And they're in, like, a flat area, right?
Like, there's not a lot of treesor height short of the mountain
where the storm is already passed through.

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Like, no, you don't do this. Yeah.
So Robyn and Kody can stop beingtough guys and can say, yes, no,
this is unsafe. And we are taking our family off
of these fucking boats. Yeah.
And not to be too much of A prude, even, but like when you
have young children, like demonstrate that that we're
going to choose safety over thisridiculousness, your 330 year

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olds having a fun afternoon and you're like, we're going to risk
it. OK, you do your thing, but
that's your. Own choice.
You're not dragging children down with you for your own.
It was so dumb. It was just dumb.
It was really, really, really stupid.
One thing of note to me was whenthey're back off on land and
they're having conversations, Christine is so like nervous and

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anxious she's like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
and she's talking to Kens familymembers because we get
introduced to like Kens cousin and Kens cousins wife and
whoever like some other people that are with.
OK, but this is what happens. So yes, Ken is introducing his
brothers, their wives who's alsoher cousin, like whatever.

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So they're saying, and I think it was Kody said, oh, keeping it
all in the family or maybe Christine said keeping it all in
the family, one of the two. So keeping it all in the family
and Ken goes a little different than you are, I guess.
Right and. It was like, oh, snap, right?

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Like there was some, there was some moments.
So the words that they were saying was what I heard more
than recognizing Christine's behavior maybe, but that totally
makes sense. Like, I think that there was
some nerves abound. What I noticed about was just
the general Ness like she was like bouncing from person to
person to being like everything's fine, like you're

(27:57):
so uncomfortable girl. Like she's she gives it away,
she gives it away. But these women from Ken's
family have questions for the wives.
Yet they kind of say, I should say they.
I think Janelle references, you know, when we hang around other
women, they always have questions for us.

(28:17):
They don't understand, you know,and that's fine.
We can make conversation about this and we can, we can do these
things. So first they start asking about
their rings and what they meant and those types of things.
And then, you know, somebody asks, well, yeah, who does he
stay with when? Like, how does he choose what
house he sleeps at? And then they go into this

(28:41):
weird, well, it's just a rotation, but it's a fluid
thing. Like it's, it's a rotation, but
it's a fluid and there's no rules, but whatever.
And. And Robyn was heavy on the
fluid. Yeah, it was interesting because
it was like, let's not question this part too much.
Like probably some sore fear, sore feelings, thoughts,

(29:01):
opinions would come out if they dove into that a little bit too
much right now, but they brush through it fairly quickly.
However, a few a few different descriptions of how that works
I. Guess they weren't landed on one
thing and it was funny that there was a rotation reference,
but then this fluidity definitely came from Robyn
because I was like took note of that.
Like, of course, Robyn's like, oh, it's very fluid.

(29:23):
And, you know, we don't really pay attention to that.
It's like. But she was the one that said
rotation too. Like she, she just said it and
then kept going and I kept going.
Kept going, kept going, right. And then the other wives are
like, yeah, we'll get a word in edgewise, but all trying to
actually not talk about this topic.
Yes, Janelle said it's a lot of freedom, you know, and some of
the other wives were like, Oh myGod, I can't even imagine that

(29:45):
would be so much for, you know, kind of because sometimes if you
do live with someone 24/7 and they're gone for a few days,
you're like, this is nice. I'll take a little break.
I'm not mad at it, you know, So they, you know, I guess there
was some common ground in just how relationships or
relationships and like, yeah, you guys can just do that.

(30:08):
That's OK. And it's OK if other people ask
questions too, as long as they're not trying to do it in a
derogatory way, you know, like this was just a, this was just a
genuine conversation. And I was like, OK, that's cool.
I dare it. It definitely came across that
way. And that's also does feel like a
theme a bit of the show is people, women asking questions

(30:31):
and then being told about the flexibility with scheduling and
having more autonomy and having more alone time.
And that's generally where they're like, oh, or like, Oh
yeah, you have a sister wife that can do this for you or
whatever. There's, there are moments where
we see women being like, I can see the benefit of that.
But then if they were to watch aseason or two, they'd be like,
oh fuck no. Like, absolutely.
Not, no, not like that. Yeah, not like that.

(30:53):
But like, you know, I'll see those videos online sometimes
that are like, well, if I was ever to get married or date
again, they'd have to live next door.
And I'm like, yeah, that's exactly it.
Like they'd have to live next door.
They couldn't live with me, you know, But we could see each
other when we wanted to and thennot when we did it.
And that'd be lovely. That would be lovely.

(31:14):
And then the sun came out. And then the sun came out.
And they're going to inner tube.But all the sun is good.
Inner tube. Inner tube.
They're going to enter tube. We're not.
It's not that we're going tubing.
Nope, we're. Going to go inter tube.
Inter tube while the sun is coming out though, darling.
Kody's on the couch. Oh yes, well, and.

(31:35):
Giving us some with the wives, yes, some of more of Kody's
kernels. And he lets us know that he has
a monogamous relationship with each of his wives.
Now I think he not knoweth what that word meaneth, because it's.
Meaneth because as you're watching as I was watching this.

(32:00):
I know. I'm going, okay.
And then it's like that, wait, wait, wait.
Like when someone says somethingand you're like, no, that's
actually not true. It's like you are not in a
monogamous relationship, period.Not how that works.
It was so like this is so mind altering like these people are
so fucked up. It's very, very funny how he

(32:21):
just throws the shit out there and like, it's like the
spaghetti noodle on the fridge and like expecting it to stick
or something. And I, I did, I heard it.
I was like, okay, Oh yeah, I guess no.
Like, no, it is very bizarre howthose moments happen in this
show where it's like, yeah, thatdoesn't sound absolutely

(32:41):
ridiculous. And then it's like, no, it
actually is. Absolutely.
That is ridiculous. Monogamous is one person that
you're in a relationship. You cannot have 4 monogamous
relationships at the same time. That's not it.
That doesn't work. That's not how it works.
Kody Brown. God, this is.

(33:02):
Funny. I don't even think registered to
me as like the craziest moment of the episode when it happened,
but like now that we started talking about I'm like what the
actual fuck is he saying? Let's draw a diagram for Kody
and be like, this is how polygamy works.
It's like to him. It's like this is monogamous in
blue and this is monogamous in white, but it's all just.

(33:22):
No, that's not how it works. It's polygamous, you fucking
idiot. Like no.
More moments to live through. Yeah, thank God we didn't brush
past that, because that was a fucking a.
Moment now they're going to go out of the boats because now the
lightning has stopped threatening their lives then
everyone could be like okay thanks now Janelle is okay we.

(33:43):
Feel okay? Now, so they're going to go
inter tubing. Inter Tubing.
And then after they do some inter tubing they are going to
transition into Cliff jumping from those rocky cliffs.
Yes, and they were little cliffs, but it was cute.
They all seemed to have a good time.
They make me nervous. I I well, can you I wouldn't.

(34:04):
You wouldn't even do it. You wouldn't you?
No, no, no. You wouldn't be able to approach
the edge. I would not.
I would sit in the water and watch you guys come.
Someone would try to encourage you to go and you'd be like dead
wait. Like you'd just be like, no,
like not doing it. I could go and like a rock
slightly out of the water and hop it.

(34:27):
You like jumping from the shore?Slowly going into the water.
I'm afraid of heights, terrified.
I cannot go on the balconies of Chris's apartments.
I have panic attacks. It's OK.
So anyway, they do do some Cliffjumping and then family time
seems to wrap up a little bit and Ken suggests once they get

(34:51):
the other boats out that he and Kody just go basically fuck
around on the water together alone for a bit.
You know some man time. Hit some waves just the.
Two of them. There's not waves.
You guys. This is like a man made lake in
the desert. Well, I mean, maybe there was a
ripple. If it was really windy, you
know, or if they made it with their own boat.

(35:14):
I was going to say wake earlier because I'm like it's most
likely wake. Well, it was awake on the inner
tubes, that's what they were. They were going over the wakes.
Waking on that inner tube. Oh yeah.
So when they're out on the boat,Ken starts in on his, you know,
conversation with Kody and says they grew up in LDS together and
that these two families became fundamentalists in town.

(35:36):
Now, did you catch that? Then it was like, there's two
families. It was like his Kody's family
and someone else, some other family.
Yes. Became fundamentalists in town
and that Kody's mom tried to theword, I can't say, proselytize.
Proselytizing. Proselytize.
Now I can't spell it, but it's proselytizing.

(35:59):
Proselytize. No, you still got.
I still got it wrong. Proselytize.
That was it. That was it.
That was it. So Kody's mom is trying to
convert, which is what I'm goingto say because.
That's better. Proselytize.
Proselytize. Yeah.
Proselytize not still not right.Proselytizing.

(36:24):
Proselytize, I know. So Kody's mom is trying to
convert all the women to being her husband's other concubines
or whatever, and Ken's includingKen's mom.
He didn't say he was trying to make his Mama concubine.
She was trying to become the Madam of Wynn's house, you know,

(36:44):
she was trying to gather all thewomen to join the cult and be
Wynn's wife. Well, that's how the community
certainly received. It that's how I received it.
That's what she said to me. I was like, Janelle, what are
you saying? What do you want me to do?
I was like, stop practicilitizing me.

(37:06):
Yeah, Janelle's going around town telling everyone it's so
amazing. You should become a
fundamentalist, A cult member, and you can have all these
wives. Well, and including.
Ken's mom. Ken also says then that the LDS
church gets a bad rap because ofpolygamists.
Now, it's not like Mormons don'thave enough of their own bad

(37:29):
raps, to an extent. So sorry buddy.
But yeah, maybe this one is a little different.
Anyway, Do Mormons get pad raps?Am I?
Right. Well, I mean, they are generally
looked upon as like a joke, OK? Because, I mean, it's just a big
cult. Yeah, I didn't think it was that
much different, but they just don't have multiple wives, I
guess. But anyway.
It's all hocus pocus. Wait, it's like a.

(37:50):
Made-up. Story.
Well, yeah, I mean, we'll get into more of that by the way.
Yes, by the way, we will get there.
But but his religion gets a bad rap from choices like Kody is
making with this cult that he's joining.
And so he's kind of, you know, sharing some of that.
And then Kody, you know, tries to.

(38:14):
Where was I going with that? It was about something you said
before. I wasn't even going forward.
I was going to say something about it doesn't matter.
We'll move on wherever you want to go.
At one point, Ken says that he doesn't want to hear details
from Kody. I feel like maybe Kody was
trying to explain some detail orremind him of something from the
past. Was that where you were going?

(38:35):
That was what I was thinking, yes, Because what Ken was
describing as proselytizing, Kody was saying, I, I think that
that seems more like she was excited about her faith, right?
So she thought he was trying to say that his mother, when

(38:55):
talking to other women in the community, her friends, wasn't
necessarily trying to convert them, but was sharing about her
faith, her new faith that she was excited about.
And so Ken and his family took this as, you know, trying to
convert them. Whereas Kody was like, I don't
think that was like the intention.

(39:16):
I think she was just sharing hernew path basically.
And then, yes, Ken is like, why haven't I asked why you did
this? Because I don't want to fucking
know. I don't.
I still think it's nuts. I I still don't want to know why
you did. Don't need to hear about why you
did. And Kody's kind of like, yeah,

(39:36):
and I guess I don't need to defend myself.
And it seems like they come to this like, OK, well, that's how
it is, except there's just digs and back and forth like.
I don't know, Ken gives the vibes of like your these things
are bad decisions and mistakes. Like he basically says that to
Kody. He doesn't want to hear the

(39:56):
doctrine. Yeah, no.
And it's a crazy decision, yeah.And yeah, it's definitely
painting this light of like, this is not good.
But then it's like kind of the skeezy thing of like saying that
and then being like, but I don'twant to talk about it.
Like it's a little like, OK. Dude, but you live your life and
I'll live mine without saying you do you and I support you.

(40:20):
It's you do you, I'll do me. We can maybe have moments like
this together, but I don't support you.
I'm not going that far. So then we're cut to a scene.
Well, some footage of at least Kody with some of the wives.
Every wife but but Meri. But Meri, we don't know where
Meri is, I don't think. Unlike the yard, a front yard or

(40:40):
whatever at Janelle's house. And there's Grandma Janelle and
Grandma Cheryl. So we didn't even know that they
were going to be there. There was no introduction, no
whatever. But it doesn't make sense
because as far as we know, they do live.
In well, yeah, they're in there.They're probably staying with
them. They, yeah, some of them
probably are. Yeah, yeah.
So we go to a brief couch momentwhere they're all kind of

(41:02):
talking about their, you know, feelings about going into this
festival nest that they're heading to, right?
The Mustang Festival. Oh, Mustang Days, Mustang.
Days. Yes, and first of all, I just
there's some things always with their outfit choices, right that
we we should that we should comment on.
And I'd I'd like to go through avisual for everyone in case

(41:25):
you're not, you know, watching on the TV like we are.
So we're going to start left to right.
Oh God, in watching the couch. So on the left hand side, we
have Meri. Meri is in a light pink long
sleeve shirt layered by a patterned floral tank top over
the long sleeve shirt. Can't give you specifics about

(41:49):
her floral pattern but I will tell you it is jarring to the
eyes next to Robyn who's right next to her also in a long
sleeved pink shirt covered by a floral patterned tank top.
Now it's slightly different colored and slightly different

(42:10):
patterns than Meri, but it againjarring on the eyes.
OK, now Kody Brown in this episode has some decent outfit
choices and I don't know what's happening with this, but he has
on a lovely knit. Not knit, maybe like canvas or

(42:32):
linen. Linen.
Linen is the word I'm looking for.
It's not a pinstripe. There's some thicker stripes and
thin stripes, muted Blues and like light pink and tans.
It's a really nice shirt. His pants are actually really
nice too. Like Kody looks good.
OK, OK. Then we have Janelle next to him

(42:54):
and Janelle is wearing a long sleeved black T-shirt with a
tank top over it that is black and white.
Crazy patterns. And then next to Janelle we have
Christine and Christine is in a long sleeved black T-shirt with
a red or long sleeve T-shirt. Yes, with a red short sleeve

(43:17):
T-shirt with some ruffles and things over, but that's just
solid. There's not a pattern on hers,
thank the Lord Jesus, but there are some things happening on
that couch. At least they could have
separated Meri and Robyn in somefashion, right?
Like balanced out the brights and the darks and the this and

(43:38):
the that. And it was, well, it was a lot.
There's a lot happening with thepatterns.
And just because Christine was wearing one solid color doesn't
mean it looked good. Well, I'm not saying it was
great. But you're not.
I know you're not saying, but I just but.
We could have used one more solid color in the mix for.
Listeners at home, there was theshirt was not solid even though

(43:59):
it was solid. So like we're going to move on
from that. It was not a good look, not a
good look. While they're talking about
things, they something about themen being oh, the probably being
out in public as the polygamist family, blah, blah, blah, blah,
points, points, points. And Robyn gives this example of

(44:19):
a man having a woman under each arm and kind of puts her arms up
as if to go behind Kody and Meri.
Like, oh, I'm going to put my arms behind these women over
their shoulders. But like doesn't because once
again, I guess that would be uncomfortable for her and them
even though they're married. So I don't know whatever and I

(44:39):
didn't care. Well, it was, yeah.
It was like a stupid one off point.
I think basically the point was a polygamist man is not going
around town flaunting his wives physically like that's not
happening. But the fact that she says this,

(45:00):
again, kind of timing wise with how they put the show together
is a little bit of messed up at times.
Is that Ken actually later in the show makes a reference to
like Kody having his arms around2 girls in high school or
something maybe. And it's like, I think that's
actually what Robyn was talking about.

(45:20):
Like in her interview moment after it already happened.
That wasn't even this. So that point wasn't even a like
literally polygamist husbands are not going out in public
hugging and kissing and whateveron multiple wives, I don't
think, right? Like, regardless of what we
believe about their beliefs, I don't think that's happening.

(45:42):
This might have been the time when Kody references how when
they go places, even when he waswith all the wives, he'd stay
like 10 feet away from each people at different times and do
whatever it might have been thatmoment.
Probably, yeah. We didn't really care what they
were saying. No, but.
It was a bit of it was a bit of nauseam.
Janelle doesn't want to be the center of attention, and so this
has been an interesting journey for her, challenging journey for

(46:05):
her with coming out, being on the show.
Now they're returning to Lovell and they're going to be out in
public with a camera crew, and so she just gets to be so
comfortable. Like, she's probably always
uncomfortable with them. With the brain damage group.
It's just a lot. Well, and they kind of go
through each person's feeling about that, right, about

(46:27):
returning to this town and it being a different experience
because they aren't keeping any of this private, right?
And that the people in town hadn't been favorable to it
previously because of the mostlyMormon culture and this and
that, right? Like, not loving the idea of

(46:48):
this. But Christine said she had
really low expectations because she had had previous experiences
with people in this town prior to being public.
Even though that we're just like, because they kind of knew,
right? Like, they knew, even if they
weren't rubbed in everybody's faces, they knew.
And Christine was like, yeah, I had previous experiences with

(47:10):
people that were not nice, not nice.
And so I'm just not really sure this is going to go great.
Yeah, the local opinions from the perspective of the brown
wives were probably not going tobe the highest overall.
That was their take away, the take away I took.
Yeah, Robyn thought it would be a gamble and Janelle just
thought like, it's this is nervewracking, this is nerve
wracking. I don't like it.
I am. Yes.

(47:33):
Yes. So I believe now is when we're
cutting to them going to the actual fair Mustang stays
Mustang, but thing days. I got it right.
So they're going to Mustang Days, and it's funny because
they're, you know, showing. How funny would it be if I was
wrong, if I had it totally wrong?
I think it's Mustang Days. That's great.

(47:53):
I'm. Only 98.
Percent. I'm pretty sure it is because I
remember seeing flag like there's like.
There is banners and signing signing.
There's Bran Branners in signing.
There's Branners in signing and I agree, it said Mustang 95%
sure. And so when they're entering,
you know, they show these different clips of just like,

(48:15):
you know, family entering, blah,blah, blah, different things.
But one of the cutaways is to these women of a certain age,
some older women that look like they were like we left the bingo
hall to come down to Mustang Days, you know, like, or really
working a booth. I don't know exactly what they
were doing, but they knew that they had the opportunity to be
on camera and talk this shit andthey showed up and that's what I

(48:36):
know. Yes, they did.
They showed up. And my favorite part of what
they were saying, which was not long lived but was something
like, they're good people, they just have the wrong idea, right?
All good people, All good people.
Yes, the wrong idea. So like so careful of not saying

(48:58):
anything too crazy, you know, like, like we just, we're not
going to say we're OK with it. We're going to say we think
they're kind of OK still. But just something up there
isn't, isn't right? I remember thinking this is
funny because they are judgmental old biddies.
That's who they are. They are terribly judgmental old
biddies. You know they are.

(49:20):
But then when they say this, it's like you're right.
You're just not right in the wayyou that you're saying, you
know? Totally, totally.
But also, and one of the old biddies dated Kody's dad back in
the day. She dated Kody.
'S. Yes it was the same one.
It was the same 1. Cause in the first clip there
when they were saying this all good people with the wrong idea

(49:43):
in parentheses it said again dated Kody's dad.
I didn't connect those dots so well.
She's she's a judgmental hussy. Well, and I'm sure her life with
her husband, if she has 1, is probably pretty phenomenal,
right So. Yeah, she seems like she's
chronically happy. Yeah.
Seriously. You know those we know those

(50:03):
women like. Oh.
My God, of course. I'm I could, I could be that
woman. I just, I'm glad I got out of
the town I grew up in because I would be that woman I know.
Probably still that. Woman, I'm trying to give us
some kudos. Why we're doing this?
Yeah, this is what we're spending our days doing.
They're good people, they just have the wrong idea.

(50:25):
That could be like the tagline of our show.
About you and me? Yeah.
No, literally about us. We're good people, we just have
the wrong idea. See, I that might be giving us
too much credit. Well, we're not good people.
Oh, shit. OK, fine.
All right. Now all these townspeople have
all of their opinions, and they're letting us know via some

(50:47):
cut in, some whatever. All of their opinions.
I love these. I love these so much.
Now, what's so weird though, is that while they're doing this
kind of transition into the event, I kept thinking that the
Browns are on display, on display, on display because they
are walking around this small town with a camera crew and

(51:09):
lighting and like people are asking questions and they're
saying hi and they're doing whatever.
And it's like a bit of a circus thing.
So this is what's weird is when they're doing this whole like,
this is how we are and this is how life is, and we're just
talking to people. It's like you're walking around
with a camera crew. Like people are not reacting to
you like they would be if you didn't have that.
So it feels a little weird, but yeah, whatever.

(51:31):
Oh, my gosh. But the things that these people
say, though, right? Yes, Like the things that they
say. OK, so there's the food truck
guy. Well, who does he sleep with at
night? This is a valid question.
Jealousy comes in, you know, I just.
I I who does he sleep with at night?
Yeah. Somebody else was like, he can

(51:53):
live his life. I can live mine.
I mean, that's kind of boring, you know?
And then this other, it was a younger woman that she was like,
you know, I guess they can do whatever they want to do.
But it gives us impression that like polygamy was born here in
Lovell, Wyoming, and polygamy was not born here.

(52:14):
Oh yeah. Snap She.
Wasn't too. She was too young to be that
better. I know like who is funneling
this into your birth? I was going.
To say what polygamist hurt you and then I realized don't say
that. It's probably Ken's daughter
anyway. Since you might have very well
been hurt by a polygamist, cut that.

(52:35):
OK, so allegedly. We cannot make jokes like that.
Well, allegedly. Back on the couch, Kody talks
about how Meri's family was basically like facilitating him
joining the faith in a way, or like guiding, assisting,
ushering, nurturing, supplementing.

(52:58):
Well, Kody was saying some wordsabout some things.
He does meet Meri's family through this like new faith
thing. And then they're trying to like,
oh, Kody, we love you. We're I'm showing you to the
faith and the Meri speaks about their meeting from her
perspective and the next things.Yes, except that the entire time
that Kody was speaking about Meri's family getting him like

(53:22):
into this faith or whatever else, Robyn is sitting on the
couch next to him, mouth open. Like like Robyn was not OK with
how he was describing this and she had some words to say.
Now she never got to say them. At least that was shown to us.

(53:46):
OK, she probably did go off on atangent after that.
And thank you TLC for cutting itbecause she does not need that
kind of platform to correct him about their fucking history.
She wasn't. Even there.
Anyway, her fucking face and herwell, oh, what?
Like she just and he he kept just kept talking and kind of

(54:06):
would look at her like he did have a little bit of a confused
look because she's right next tohim and then Meri is next to
her, right. And so he's kind of looking over
Robyn in a sense because he's looking at Meri because this is
actually an experience that he had with Meri.
And Robyn thinks he's looking ather and she's like, but I want
to say something different. And he doesn't get the clue.

(54:29):
And it's uncomfortable like that.
Oh, she just, you know, she wanted to.
Oh, she was saying some other shit.
Wanted to interrupt real bad andit didn't happen at least.
She wanted to say, but Kody was pretty sure he knew that this is
how he wanted to live his life forever because he just was sure
that this is going to be. He didn't fucking know any of
that. You bitch, you know she wanted

(54:51):
him to say that. She really likes to craft her
own story of like her past, and why not have Kody change his?
And that would suit her just well.
But Meri, you know, because we're talking about when Meri
met Kody. Then Meri speaks because, duh,
she knew that he was a Mormon and he went on his missionary
and that there was this recent change in the family mission.

(55:13):
Just mission. She didn't know whether he was
fully on board with their faith or not, and she didn't know
where he was on his faith journey.
Yeah. Was he converting?
Was he not? She wasn't pushing for it, it
doesn't sound like. Yeah, hard to tell, but that was
not what she was saying. Yeah.
And they decided to walk together in their faith.

(55:36):
So after, you know, he saw her from afar and then saw her again
and then eventually remember what one time he saw her in a
dress and he realized she had a shape that's from becoming
sister wise. He didn't know she had a shape
of her body until a little while.
But you know, he did see her, the wallflower Meri.
And they decided to walk together in their faith.
And Meri admits she thought Kodywas cute, of course.

(55:57):
Oh, God, Oh, God. Now I love that because when
Meri was like, well, you know, and it did, it did make it
easier because he was really cute.
And I just thought he was cute or whatever.
I was like, yeah, he was like, he totally was like, Oh my God.
If I was like 19 and Kody Brown was talking to me, I'd be like.
You know, it's almost like, God,I wish they were like at a
resort and Dirty Dancing or something instead of in their

(56:18):
lives. They actually are because of
this hell. Hole political mess like that's
so much better could have been like resort dance vibes cult,
you know. Then Robyn has another super
uncomfortable moment as she usually does where she like
screams to everybody on the couch.
Thank you for converting Kody, Meri, like she's like in just a

(56:42):
super obnoxious voice, yells. Thank you for converting him.
And it seemed desperate. And like after she's done this a
few times, you know, doesn't does she will not watch the show
because I would, I would think yo.
Probably not. It's probably like how Jax

(57:02):
Taylor doesn't watch The Valley or Vanderpump Rules.
It's like you have no idea how you.
How you actually come across right, because it's like you
could probably. Learn.
No idea. After the third or fourth time
that I scream interrupted, morphed faced crazy talk in, you
know, they're like group confessional time and I'm like
morphing into a different being and.
Screaming. That is the other three wives

(57:24):
that are like, we are really concerned about Robyn.
Robyn. She doesn't even seem to know
what she's doing. Literally, she goes off on
these. She says, Oh my God, Robyn.
She's just such a mess. But she's done really well at
embedding herself as the one who's not a mess to start with,
so everyone was giving her too many prompts.

(57:45):
How how though? Like how?
All those sweet kisses. So after the parade, we're going
to be meeting up with the localsthat Ken has gathered from
Kody's past. And well, who knows?
At first it just seems like it'sjust local.
It's like, it's that, like it reminded me of from where we're
from. I don't know.

(58:05):
I was thinking of the local community theater where there
would be like a place for a gathering off to the side, but
some sort of community space, maybe in a church.
There's going to be these localsgathered by.
Ken Kody was a little worried because there's some stereotypes
out there about him and his faith, and he's a bad dude.

(58:25):
An evildoer. Bad, bad.
He makes it sound like everyone thinks this and I'm like going
really? Like why do you think everyone
thinks you're an evildoer? No I know, but literally listen
to how some of them speak and they do.
Oh well. You know, like that's why you
think that. Fair enough.
Maybe I just took him too literally because I was, I
remember thinking like, why do you think everyone thinks you're

(58:46):
evil? I think a lot of them do like
even even just the little bits and pieces we got from people
that were willing to speak on camera, like, you know, there's
a lot more that would have said some less gracious things.
And so I I feel like he is believing the true thing that is
actually right real. At this point Christine just

(59:11):
says she really wants to meet old girlfriends of Kody's and
like ask them like are you still?
Do you still have the hats for my husband?
Like she wants to like stand up and fight for her man.
And I'm like shut up. You do not.
I know it was so silly. It was like.
We're trying to be fun about it,you know, like she was.
And it was cute. It was all in good fun, good

(59:33):
spirits, good, whatever. Like I liked that.
That was good. Kody acknowledges that he thinks
most of his peers knew that he was a polygamist.
So once again, there's these stories where I don't know if
maybe I'm just being too black and white and too whatever, but
it's like you were in hiding, but yet you knew that everyone
knew. So I guess, I mean, there's Gray
area here. You can live in that Gray area.

(59:54):
But it just seems like, I don't know why sometimes we get these
statements where it's like, well, I kind of knew.
Everyone knew I was a polygamist.
But it wasn't just that he was apolygamist, it's that they knew
or they thought he was joining acult.
Like there's that, there's that distinction.
It's not just that you have multiple wives, that's one
thing. But like you're joining a cult,

(01:00:17):
a religious cult. And you know what the Mormons
are saying? You're joining a cult like.
You're right. Consider the source here.
Yeah, when the Mormons are scared for you and not, well, I
guess because you're saying, yeah, OK, Yeah, you're right.
I I think this plays a part OK. Like if Lisa Barlow is pulling

(01:00:38):
you across the room and being like, I'm concerned about you.
I would be Lisa. Yeah, I'm concerned about you.
So yeah, Kody knew. They thought he was in a cult
and probably knew that he was ina cult and Oh my gosh.
So yeah, then they're in this this like church or this
something, and they're just bouncing back and forth with

(01:00:59):
these stories and these things. Sometimes it seems comfortable
conversationy. Well, most of the time I think
it seemed comfortable conversationy.
I just think that everybody was very careful to keep it surface
level for the most. I think the reason I was
thinking of community theatre for this location was because

(01:01:21):
that beginning part of when they're on this location, it's
like there's a lobby. It's like a reception, like, you
know, they're going back, peopleare saying.
It's like. Groups and there's like, yeah,
like groups of people talking toeach other.
It's not set up like they're in a circle and they're doing
whatever. It's like a gathering in a lobby
and they're all saying hi and ohI haven't seen you in years,

(01:01:43):
blah blah. Blah.
Yeah, it's not like a street dance in K town like we would be
at, you know what I mean? Like, that's not where we,
that's where we would meet up with people that we were like,
OK, let's give it a go, you know?
Yes, but they're at this like inthis lobby having these
exchanges and then they eventually transition to a place
where they are going to sit in agroup where it's more of the
intimate gathering. I love it because several of

(01:02:04):
them are holding paper plates with buns and meat and some
cookies. And this is where I'm going
like, it's so small town. This is like, it's not the
community theater, it's at the church.
I have been in this room. I have smelled these smells.
I have heard these conversations.
I have eaten that very uninteresting Turkey bun.
But you know what? Delicious all the same and.

(01:02:26):
I probably would have got another one.
Yep, like this one was not even that great, but I'll get
another. One Oh my God, no, I'm I'm all
about meat filled buns. That makes one of us now with
these people that Kody knew in his previous life.
High school friends, neighbors, schoolmates, blah blah blah.

(01:02:48):
There does seem to be that most of them have a direct connect.
There's a few that we don't really hear from but most of
them there's some connection, beit an ex quasi girlfriend,
friends, blah blah blah. My standard is Janae.
Janae. Now, do you remember who Janae
is? Is she the one who he painted
the headlight black? Yes.

(01:03:08):
OK. Yes, and she said that he was
always the center of attention. A dorky boy.
Yeah, yeah. She had to hug him on stage and
some show that they did and it was torture it.
Was torture. And I feel like the photo they
showed was actually of them hugging and it was like their
characters hugging. Like, yeah.
Yeah, it was just she was fucking with him and like I will

(01:03:30):
give you nothing, like I am giving you nothing positive
about yourself basically is whatshe was doing and I support
that. I support that he turned it into
that he had the biggest crush onher.
Oh yeah, she I don't she. Was lucky that she got away from
it. I don't believe any of that for
a SEC. And then she was like, you're
I'd consider you the lucky 1. And it's like, bitch, please.

(01:03:53):
And then he was probably like, he probably got a little hot
from that comment a little bit, to be honest, but.
It was, it was pretty fake. Yeah.
I mean, their memories were real, but the whole thing was
fake. There was also a blonde chick,
Megan, who tells the story of him rubbing that spot on her
arm. So this is where I think Robyn
was conflating like the arms around multiple women story

(01:04:19):
because Ken makes a joke about, oh, Kody, I can remember you in
high school sitting there with your arms around 2 girls at the
same time, kind of like alludingto, of course you'd become a
polygamist. But also certainly that's not
what Ken thought. And then Megan, Megan, Megan,
Megan says, oh, yeah, well, we did go on actually like a formal

(01:04:41):
date once and you had your arm around me and I'll never forget.
And and it got like the gesture she made just wasn't comfortable
either, though. So I'm not going to do it.
I I started to like, I have my arm up like I'm about to do, but
I'm not going to do the gesture.But that he was rubbing a spot

(01:05:01):
on her arm for hours. And like, she's remembering this
20 years later, you know, so like.
Like it made a big impact on herthat her arm got rubbed in high
school. So anyway, it was.
Weird. It was very weird.
I can't imagine seeing someone in 20 years from when I went on
a date with them and being like,I remember you rubbed my arm

(01:05:23):
like it's like, girl. Hopefully more things have
happened in your life that have replaced.
This memory, literally, like allof my worst fears.
Like the things that I like every embarrassing moment in my
life that I'll never or forget ever, and other people will be
like I never like the pee my pants at the skating rink story,
right? And nobody else maybe knows what

(01:05:43):
happened, I hope. But like I'm tortured by it.
Like this is 1 where it's like, no, like you should be aware
that this is how you fucking behave.
Do you know? Like I can't live them down.
But he's like, I had no idea I would.
I can't imagine having that. No, I'm glad I don't.
Remember oblivious bliss anyone touching my arm. 20 years ago.

(01:06:05):
Thank God my life has been fulfilling enough where I don't
remember an arm touch two decades ago, but whatever.
Ken talks about how he grew up the same as Kody in many ways,
so this was a big change when Kody came back from his.
What is that called? Mission, Mission.
And it was just a big change. He didn't expect it.

(01:06:28):
He had, yeah. He said they all grew up
together. They thought he thought they had
the same beliefs. And so when Kody's beliefs out
of like, just so quickly changed, I just, I think we've
all had moments that we thought we felt a way about a person,
right? And we thought we knew who they
were. And then something.
And they might have even been like us in some way.

(01:06:49):
Well. Totally, like we just, we just
felt like we understood each other because of ABCXYZ, like
all of these different things. And then all of a sudden
something like this comes out and you're like, Oh my gosh,
that's so different. Like I don't want to make it
sound like Ken's experience isn't valid because I think it's
totally valid when, you know, a friend maybe changes that

(01:07:10):
dramatically for whatever reason.
But yeah, I think we could all equate multiple experiences in
our lives where we thought we knew or whatever years had gone
by and you just assumed this is what it was.
And then all of a sudden that changes and you don't know how
to adjust or how to handle the difference.

(01:07:31):
And sometimes you can and sometimes you can't.
You know, there's a friend in the group.
I don't. I didn't catch your name.
This other brunette woman? Right.
And God, I loved her. I didn't.
I didn't get her name either, and I think maybe she was a more
distant high school friend or acquaintance or something, but

(01:07:55):
God damn was this good. Yes, this brunette friend says
that it's surreal what has happened with Kody and that he
has all of these babies, She said.
Something, you know, like all ofthe babies.
It's like he. She's also saying this in front
of his wife. I don't think that she's wrong.

(01:08:16):
I think I would also be like allof the fucking babies.
But it's just funny. Like, This is why she gets kudos
from us to start with right off the bat, brunette friend,
because it's like, Oh my God. Yeah.
And then Ken says that he didn'ttake it personal.
He just thought Kody was stupid.So this is again, Ken's like
doing his mudslinging, but in anenvironment and in a situation

(01:08:37):
where Kody's trying to not be defensive and he's trying to not
start an argument and be the asshole who's home.
He's home, hometown, meet and greet, being nice, keeping
sweet, and then his friend is being like, you know, I just
thought he was stupid and it's like, it's an asshole thing to
say about your fucking friend infront of everybody.
What's he going to do? He's just Kody just going to

(01:08:58):
grins it and bears it. Well, Kody says, though, that he
understands to an extent becauseif Ken had come back from their
mission, you know, their separate missions, and said I'm
going to be a polygamist now, Kody would have been like, what
the fuck? Like, are you serious?
Like, I can't believe this. And so he was at least

(01:09:19):
understanding what he meant by that, Right.
So he's not taking it super personally.
Yeah. In that sense, I.
Feel like I was taking it more personal.
Yeah. I was like, are you kidding?
Like what an asshole thing to say.
Which is so funny that we're nowin a position to defend them
from joining the cult when we'relike, Oh my gosh.
But anyway. But Kody also says, I'm not

(01:09:41):
going to justify it anymore. Like I, this is me, this is what
I'm doing. This is who I am.
You can take it, you can leave it and that's fine.
I'm I'm not going to explain it to you.
You can, you can take me or you can leave me.
And he's not going to beg you todo one or the other, right?
So I think that's. Very mature for Kody Brown, I
would say. Yeah, and then there was the
other brunette, the one that wastalking about.

(01:10:05):
At the beginning, Janae. Janae at the beginning.
Janae then goes, well, I just thought it was a built in way
for you to be the center of attention all the time and I
thought that was beautiful and Janae.
I believe her direct quote was. I just assumed you were a
polygamist because it's a way for you to be the center of
attention. Yes, like she knew that's what

(01:10:27):
he needed, That's what he wanted, Bing.
Bing. Check, check, check.
You. You got it.
You totally did. Like I wonder if any of the
wives kept eye contact with her after that or if they were just
like oh fuck I didn't I didn't notice their reactions.
I did well. I also think they probably
brushed through like I think there was a lot more

(01:10:47):
conversation than what we saw they.
Definitely gave us very edited conversation.
Totally. There was a point where they
they, they kind of tried to start to say like something
about a joke and then it's Ken. Of course Ken brings up, well,
people talk about stuff like it's a joke or something, but
then just was it Ken or one of the women?

(01:11:08):
It said it's always about sex and like this insatiable sexual
desires. Give me a break.
Well, this well, OK, yes, so when we were talking about
Warren Jeffs and people marryingchildren and whatever, that is
very sex based. Like that narrative is about men
sexually assaulting, sexually abusing women.

(01:11:31):
But when you look at Kody and these wives, it's just like,
this is insane. I am not going to say that there
is not a level of sex and control in a polygamous
marriage, okay? I'm not.
I'm not trying to pretend that there's probably not some level
of something. I am just not looking at Kody
Brown as this sexual maniac. Sex machine.

(01:11:56):
Because it's not possible. Like I just don't buy it.
He may, he maybe wants us even to think that way, that that's
what it He maybe wants it to seem that he needs to fuck for
women everything I need to fuck every day.
And I don't believe it to be true.
I don't believe it to be true for a second.
And so that's the only reason I laugh.

(01:12:17):
It's not that I would think thatthat, you know, for some
polygamist men, it is not whollyabout a hole to fuck every day.
But yes. For some of them it is.
So that's what it is. But yeah, the sex what not is
always like. I also kind of feel like there's
a nod. I should say nod.
So like it consistently comes upas if it consistently comes up.

(01:12:40):
I don't want to say it's like a self fulfilling whatever, but in
this show it's like it's always coming up.
It's always coming up. It's like, well, stop making it
always come up. Like you're like just stop
talking about it. Then like say you don't want to.
I don't know. It doesn't bother me, but it's
just weird because then we get to hear Robyn talk about sex and
how sex is cheap and wives aren't.
She just has this terrible linesthe.

(01:13:00):
Worst distinction I've ever heard in my entire life.
But also like. This is a narrative or this is a
thing that they use, though, is like the whole prostitutes are
one thing side women or whateverbaby Mamas is.
But if you want to take care of your you know, this is a whole
different thing. It's more expensive.
It's like. But don't you truly believe to A

(01:13:21):
to an extent that like unless you're raping your wife every
day, which some of them do to anextent, women are not going to
potentially want to have sex with you every day?
So if you're trying to up the ante with somebody willing to
fuck you every day, that yes, potentially having multiple
wives would be a way to do that.And also to give you as many

(01:13:44):
children as possible, which is part of the deal too, right?
Like one wife can only give you one child every year and a half
ish right? So, well, two years, yeah, 2
1/2. I can't do the math.
Anyway, it's probably 2 1/2 but like there's a level of men and

(01:14:10):
their sexual desires to have multiple wives and believe that
they are the. You can fuck a different way to
every night. Yeah, yeah.
Wait a minute. You can fuck a different wife
every night, Yeah, and that's part of the thing.
And almost they're, they're, they're feeling even more

(01:14:31):
obligated because you're not with them every night, right?
So, oh, I don't actually have the chance to say no because I
only see you this time. So I actually have to say yes,
you know, And I mean, there's a grossness to all of it,
certainly. I just don't believe that Kody
Brown is like the sex machine. I just don't believe that so.

(01:14:55):
No. And based on some details out of
Christine's book that just came out, some of the phrases that
have been said to describe some of their early intimate, oh,
gross endeavors experiences werelike spousal sexual assault.
Oh no, Now that's very dramatic.That's the most dramatic side, I

(01:15:17):
would say. But definitely like there's a
thing culturally in the background with these cults,
right? Sex is for reproduction.
It is for men to do what they do.
You, you might not even be a participant unless you are
menstruating. Then I come in, I do what I do
to you, and that's your role in life.
It's to have more children for me and we get into the Kingdom
of heaven. So they don't paint Kody in that

(01:15:40):
light. As far as the wives, like, it's
like, oh, we are just. Well, they don't get pregnant
when they're menstruating. But or when they're not
menstruate, whatever The thing is.
I mean literally though, that's like.
No, they're they're just a service.
They're a service. If you have 12 wives, you're
fucking women to have children and you're fucking them when you
want to. And that's what it is like.

(01:16:01):
And it's not about the women. It's not about their
satisfaction. It's not about anything.
It's not about. It's really not even about
pleasure at that point. No, it's about entitlement.
It's about entitlement. Yeah, it's just as weird that
sex comes up all the time and it's just weird when Robyn has
to talk about it too 'cause I'm like, shut up, Robyn.
Now, I'm not sure how many details we're going to get into
with the remainder of this conversation as far as their

(01:16:23):
exact back and forth, but like, Ken does talk about if we cared
about Kody, then his decisions would affect us and he'll have
bad outcomes come Judgement Day,so of course we should care
about his decisions. And there's like, OK, that's
fine, but I kind of feel like Ken's just like an asshole.
Like if I was sitting in that situation, I would definitely

(01:16:45):
not be AS non I shouldn't say I should would definitely be, but
I would be a little bit more like OK asshole.
Well, this is what became reallyfunny about it, right?
Because Kody kind of took it in stride with what Ken was saying
and was just like, yeah, and I, you know, sometimes I get you
and I'm going to defend myself and sometimes I'm not like,
whatever. But it was when the other girl,

(01:17:09):
the other brunette, kind of called Ken out a little bit, OK.
Oh, yes, yes. Because what Ken says ultimately
that kind of starts this kerfuffle was that he says, I'm
cool. Like, you do you, I'll do me.
We're fine. Like, that's fine.

(01:17:30):
But just don't proselytize, right?
Like just don't try to convert me to your religion.
Just don't do this. Just don't do that.
Just don't do this. And Robyn jumps in and she goes,
well, just just so you know, like our church actually doesn't
condone preaching, which PS by the way, the Mormon church very

(01:17:51):
much does, right? But our church actually doesn't
condone doing that. And actually to find somebody
that's a member of our church, you actually have to kind of
like the look, like it's not that super easy, right?
I don't know of anything base level that is counter to that.
I feel like they're very kind ofsecretive, so I don't.
I'm not surprised to hear Robyn say that.
I, I was fine with her response.I thought it was actually a

(01:18:13):
pretty good one. I was like, OK, that's great.
Oh, snap. And then and then our friend,
the other brunette goes on a bitof a she's like, you know what,
Ken? It's kind of funny.
It's kind of funny, Ken, that you would say that they can't
try to convert you, that that's not OK for them to do.

(01:18:37):
But yet you are of the Mormon faith and have literally gone on
a multi year mission trying to convince people to join your
faith. And so I'm just a little
confused. She also stated it so well where
she was pointing out the hypocrisy to everyone around,
including us, the the viewers and the listeners and the

(01:18:57):
whatever because it was obvious that he is being hypocritical in
this moment. Like you literally went out into
the world to try to convert people to your faith and you're
saying that you won't even hear the points of his faith because
it may be too confusing to you for some reason and may sway you
or something. Oh, because he could use things
that he knows about you, becausehe's known you forever to try to

(01:19:19):
trick you, right? Trick you into getting into What
do you what do you think people on a religious mission are
doing? Definitely not trying to trick
people in. You don't think you're they're
trying to use the vulnerabilities of the people
they encounter to try and have them find God.
You don't think they try to do that and do you?

(01:19:40):
Do you think that they don't sitin a classroom somewhere?
Yeah. Where somebody says these are
the people we go after. And this is how we
systematically go after. That because literally they do.
That happens. That's what they're on a mission
for. That's what they're doing.
They're checking boxes. This is what's happening.

(01:20:01):
Through this process and yes, once again.
So fuck off Ken, I was going. To say once again shout out to
random brunette woman who if your name came up on the car.
On. Or on the bottom third,
whatever. I don't.
I didn't note your name, but thumbs up to you, you know?
She's not got a nowhere. And I was like, shit, yes.
She did. She did.
Now, a couple other kudos in this in this beat, kudos to Kody

(01:20:27):
because even though he makes a joke about his defensive
posturing at one point, like howhe physically holds himself, he
remains non defensive throughoutthis entire thing.
Agreed. And more than I probably would
be. And so I have to give him kudos
for that. Janelle says she's surprised
over Ken's reactions because he's been so nice up until then,

(01:20:50):
and then she also points out that it is a double standard.
Complete double standard. You know, couch moments and
these confessional moments because it's kind of ridiculous
what they're sitting here listening to.
To me, Ken sounds like a low IQ person.
So his attractiveness level for me, if there was any, completely

(01:21:10):
went out the window because he isn't either not seeing this
connection being made right in front of him about his own
hypocrisy, or he's so defensive that he can't even just say I
should just shut the fuck up right now.
Like I should just sit here and go like OK explain or like I can
see your point or something. OK well most people that have
strong faith towards one religion do exactly this because

(01:21:36):
it is pretty simple to have a conversation about why you can
have differences in these manners without these thoughts,
feelings that have been like usually you could do that, you
could do that. I like boho decor you don't you
like mid century modern? We can talk about this but we

(01:21:58):
don't have to fight about it. It doesn't mean yours is better
and mine is worse. It just means that they're
different when you believe the way they do about their
religion. At least Ken specifically.
I'm not even throwing Kody into this bucket.
I'm throwing Ken into this bucket.
When you believe that somebody leaves your religion and now
they're less than because they're no longer in your

(01:22:21):
religion, even one of your best friends, then you are not
sitting there saying, yeah, you do you and I'll do me.
No, he's looking down on them the entire time.
The entire time. So even though Ken's cute, I'm
not, this is not working for me either, to be super clear.
And I just find that it's that'sthe hypocrisy that comes along

(01:22:42):
with all religions in my opinion.
But like to an extent, you only think yours is the right one,
yet somebody else for whatever because of where they're born,
because of their culture, because of this, because of
that, they, they've only been introduced to what they've been
introduced to and they find thatsuper important to them.

(01:23:03):
And why is that bad? It's the same as you.
It's the same as what you've been introduced to.
Why is that bad? Why can you not change your mind
halfway through? It's this hypocrisy that comes
along with the hall of it that is problematic often.
And thank you, brunette woman. I'll get off my soap dish.
Thank you brunette woman #2. Soap dish.

(01:23:25):
Soap dish. Thank you for that.
Kudos to brunette woman #2 for pointing this out and letting us
all go on this journey. And she was a class act about
the whole thing. She didn't.
Even when he had his stupid response, she wasn't like that's
a stupid response. She was like, OK.
Like, see, I wouldn't have let it go.
I would have been like, Nope, Nope, Nope.

(01:23:45):
I feel like we need to dig a little deeper, Ken.
Let's dig a little deeper. We're all being pretty surface
level. Except intentionally except.
For Ken, everyone else is playing well.
Well, he must have still some stature in the community.
You know he's got boats. Now Christine is turned up by

(01:24:07):
all of this. She is furious.
She is furious. She was, she was fucking mad.
She was like, are you kidding meright now?
Are you kidding me? I love it.
I love Christine's rage. But you know, I don't remember
anything she specifically said, but she was filled with rage.
She was like, explain, like, explain, explain.

(01:24:29):
Like, I don't understand how what you're saying makes sense,
but what we're saying can't makesense.
Like she was, she was just calling out his bullshit.
And it was beautiful. It was absolutely beautiful.
Kody reminds us that he's chosenhis path to be happy, and he
thinks Ken should do the same. And once again, how do you poke

(01:24:49):
holes in that? I don't know, other than it's
just Kody. But.
Yeah, I guess I'm a little surprised that they didn't leave
there saying, well, we thought Ken was our friend, but it turns
out he's not like that. That didn't seem to happen, but
it kind of showed up maybe. No, interestingly, we will
circle back to Ken. Oh wait, I guess we're not done

(01:25:11):
yet. We're not done with the trip.
Well, and not only that, but Kencomes up in the future, like in
the future future, Yes. No, we're not done with Ken.
We're not done with Ken. I can't wait.
Is that why you don't think he'scute?
Because you just remember all the things.
No, I just genuinely, you know where we grew up?
Rural Minnesota, that boy, that man looks like a boy who would

(01:25:37):
have grown up down the street for me and would have picked on
people. Entitled ass and been mean to
people. Yeah, and been the one who
peaked in like 5th grade. It's probably.
Which was not my type. I am gauging simply on
appearance. I don't like those people.
I've never dated the bully, I don't think.
I don't think I've dated. Them Ken doesn't go on the ugly

(01:25:58):
list for me. He just goes on the like, I'm
not attracted to that list. Bad personality and intention
vibes list. Oh, plus with a little trauma
mixed in from childhood because he literally looks like a family
of boys down the street from me who were terrible, horrible
human beings. Amen.
Now we're going to go back to Janelle's house.

(01:26:19):
Outside of love it is that love?It love it.
Is that where we are? Lovell, Lovell.
OK Lovell, I don't like doing Lyle.
Love it over here. Wait, no, no, no, it was a
Bonnie, not a Bonnie Raitt, a Meri Chapin Carpenter song that
just came to mind. Do do, do, let's give them No,
that's Bonnie. So many things just went through

(01:26:40):
my mind when you said Lyle love it and it was Meri Chapin
Carpenter because she has Lyle love it in the song.
Anyway, done. Even though you were doing Let's
give them something to talk. It went it went all over the
place. I am telling we're.
Talking about Janelle's house, not Janelle's house.
Janelle's. House I know see it's outside of
we are love all clearly at the point that we need to be done
for the day. We're going to wrap this up.

(01:27:01):
Thank you everyone for getting this far with us.
If you're still listening, we will wrap this up.
Now they're out at Janelle's house.
We get an exterior shot. It's painted.
Oh yes, because of that. That was so nice.
Oh my gosh. It looked nice, Yeah.
And so that's great You. Could have chosen a different
color for the trim instead of all white, white, white, white,
white, white, white, white, white, white.
But it was a note. Yeah, It wasn't like dilapidated

(01:27:26):
boards. So this is good.
The family's going to go see thefireworks at Mustang Days.
This is called the Big Stallion Night.
Those fireworks. Just kidding, I'm making that
up. I was like I'm uncomfortable.
Nope, the only big stallion around here is Kody, so you know
they're going to the where the fireworks are going to be.

(01:27:46):
And he's so happy because they don't have that scarlet Pi
understand P is in the letter P like polygamist that scarlet P
Because what's the scarlet letter?
AI don't fuck yeah, it's a for an adulteress yeah scarlet
letters a yes. So the scarlet P now, the way

(01:28:07):
that he said it made me think ofurine.
Like I was like scarlet P It's just like.
Red P. Very concerning.
Very concerning. Go to the doctor.
That's another concern. If you've got Scarlet in your
urine, you need to go see the doctor.
And it just made me feel like maroon, you know, it's like
Taylor Scarlet maroon. Oh gosh, I.
Wasn't thinking about P or urine.

(01:28:28):
You have so many musical influences influencing you right
now, honey. Oh, that's just the alcohol,
honey. You're definitely under the
influence of many musicians. Of the alcohol.
So, you know, they're they're going into level and they're
running into classmates, they'retaking photos, they're catching

(01:28:49):
up with people, They've got the camera crew.
They are celebrities in the small town in Wyoming.
And maybe not celebrities. Well, yeah, I mean, actually
they are, but. Well, they were very they're.
Trying to. Sought after it have.
Fun. They're trying to have a good.
Time. Saying hi to people, it's just
like when I go home to my hometown.
That's what I would imagine for you.
Lines over there for the autographs, That thing where you

(01:29:13):
write your name. For some reason, Kody gives an
example of prostitution being a distraction from polygamists in
Las Vegas. I guess someone was asking,
like, are you afraid of legal trouble down there?
And he's like, well, they've gotall those prostitutes to worry
about down on the Strip, so I think I'm OK.
It was like the dumbest, dumbestway to phrase it.

(01:29:35):
It was like, no, the laws are still the same, but those whores
are worse than me. And then he even said, well, I
can't talk about this. It's bad when I talk politics,
so I better watch myself. With all my friends, I talk
politics and then, oh, you know.What do you mean?
What? Like we don't know the laws?

(01:29:56):
What are the laws? Well, isn't it legal?
It's in prostitution legal in Vegas.
It might be. Oh, I definitely think it was at
the time. Yeah.
I mean, so like, yes, they're worried about the prostitutes on
the street corners over the polygamist, but I think
prostitution was legal. But anyway.
But I think to be fair. Not in public.

(01:30:16):
You have to own like a brothel or have a.
Life. Not in public.
Yeah, yeah. Not on the street corner because
he did talk about the prostitutes on the street
corners on the strip. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. So anyway, he apparently avoids
a conversation about politics and that also TLC was probably
like cut, you know, like we cannot.

(01:30:39):
This is as far as it can go. Let's avoid politics.
I'm going to bring up prostitution while you ask me if
I'm running from the law. Like, jeez.
Yeah, but you know that they hadto like at least try to an
extent to paint him in a likableenough state, right?
Like, you know he said and did worse shit than what they've

(01:31:00):
shown us, right? Especially back in his small
town. Yeah, like, I feel like he
probably went on a bit of a tangent there that they were
like, Nope, she'll be cancelled.And this is before she got
cancelled guys like. When he's not doing the whole,
like, I'm going to pretend to bewhatever you need me to be on
camera, and then he shows it so it's true.
Colors. They're like that ends up on the
cutting room floor. Yeah, for sure.

(01:31:21):
Now honey, this is where we get another beautiful character.
I think we should really dive into this, really dive in did.
You catch this woman's name? No, I didn't catch her name
because it's just they caught usso off guard with the gems that
came out of this. I'm assuming it was a high

(01:31:42):
school. I don't know if it was even a
friend. Let's say someone who knew who
Kody was, of course. Went to high school with Kody.
A classmate? Yes.
And. They're clearly being
interviewed about him. You know, I'm assuming ATF
question was like, what was it like going to school with Kody
Brown? Something that.
Well, I think the first questionwas more so like, what did you
think hearing that your high school classmate was a

(01:32:03):
polygamist and it was that they were disgusting and gross?
Like that was her reaction. Oh to his lifestyle was
disgusting and gross. Oh, I missed that.
Yeah, like, like, wow. Everybody just thought like, oh,
we don't, but then OK, she givesus the Realty.
The real, the real beauty was what I caught and I, I, I don't

(01:32:24):
know if I'm getting this quote word for word, but we'll, we'll
go with it. Quote.
We all thought Kody was gay. Flamboyantly gay.
End Quote. Super fucking gay.
Super gay. Very, very gay.
Now it's. Great in.
Production does give us some photos, including one of Kody in

(01:32:45):
a dress on a hood of a car, I believe, or something.
He's he's clearly doing something silly.
But all the photos, they're not gay, but they are of an
attractive young man being energetic smiles.
He does smile like me in some photos, like with the open jaw,
like I'm like, Oh my God, that'show a gay man smiles.

(01:33:05):
Not saying Kody's gay, but I think this woman does eventually
say that. It must.
She must have been. Oh, clearly he's not gay.
Look at him now. Something like that.
Pretty sure that Kody is not gay.
Ha ha, ha ha yeah, ha ha. Ha ha.
And he's a metrosexual. He's in touch with his feminine
side. This would not be the first time

(01:33:28):
on our show that we have referenced men who have a need
to prove their manliness and testosteroneness.
Whether it's fucking so many women or having multiple lot
lives that too wives, whatever. But like they're to an extent.

(01:33:51):
Some of these men that feel the need to do that are quite
possibly hiding homosexual tendencies that they are not, or
the ones that say that it's a choice to be a homosexual
because they are making a choicefor people that can just live
their life. That's different.

(01:34:13):
And so this is interesting. I don't know that it's a case of
thou does protest too much, but if there's something about that
with men like Kody, where, Yeah,is he overcompensating because
of his own fears and his own things that have happened?

(01:34:35):
I do love the jokes online abouthis mission time with his friend
who we also get to meet later. His friend he went on a mission
with who was maybe his first great love allegedly, allegedly
allegedly. Oh my God, can't.
Believe I just said that out loud but.
OK. You know, that could just be
made-up. That could be completely made-up
and have no bearings in reality.He could just be really all just

(01:34:59):
confident enough in himself to behave the way he does for no
other reason. Don't you think it would be
really nice if we could all justbe like bisexual, whatever
sexual, you're just sexual and whoever you're attracted to is
who you're attracted to. And why do we have to label it?
And why do we have to define it?And why can't we just be who we
want to be and just like, walk through life?

(01:35:20):
Like, I don't understand some ofthese things.
It would take some pressure off people like that, right, feel
the need, right, to just push all that away.
Well, if we didn't have so many repressive people in this
country and in this world, we could and we could actually,
rather than either there's everyone comes out or no one
comes out. Like how about this?

(01:35:40):
Like it's, I don't want to say it's like Bob Mitzvah, but like
when you're 23, you say I am this if you feel like it, and if
not, then not. But do you remember?
Queer people want to come out. This is.
At one of your more recent holiday, this this year's
holiday party and you had a friend over that was a middle

(01:36:01):
school teacher. And she, we were all sitting
there because I have a teenager.We're talking about all these
things. And I was like, yeah, you know,
my, my son told me that. Well, he shared maybe a bit
about what sexuality might mean to him.
And she was like, oh, yeah, justevery middle schooler is
bisexual. Like, that's just how every

(01:36:23):
middle schooler is Like, they'vejust, they don't feel the need
to be like, I'm gay, I'm straight, I'm this, I'm that.
Like, they're just like, yeah, I'm open to anything and like, I
don't know. And I'm just going to see, see
where it takes me. Like, Oh my God, how amazing,
you know? Yep, So many lives, so many

(01:36:43):
fewer lives ruined by everyone just kind of going, we don't
know and we'll figure it out. So the Brown family are watching
fireworks. There are people around them
watching fireworks. Everyone's watching fireworks.
They're so happy. Kody says how amazing, and it
was like the saddest firework I've ever seen.
Well, it was. Like they were not.
Saddest ones I've ever seen but.The camera work on the

(01:37:07):
fireworks. I was like.
Disturbing. I just was like get out of it.
I needed her drama mean she was getting motion sickness.
Seriously. Fucking camera work over these
mid fireworks. And like order of the firework
would be into frame and it was not clear.
It was blurry and then they'd focus and then they'd zoom and
then they'd go back and then there's zoom and then they go

(01:37:28):
back. And then there were a few times
where I feel like they added effects where it was like, not
needed. It's fireworks.
You don't need to add effects tothe fireworks.
Like they are literally effects.That's what they are.
God, this show's terrible. Kody says that it's now safe for
his mom to walk the streets out and proud in Lovell, Wyoming

(01:37:49):
because they've returned. They have triumphed, they have
shown their true colors, and they have been accepted.
So now his mom is nothing to worry about.
So that was a nice take away forhim.
You. Think that's how it's going to
go for her. I don't know why he thinks that.
It's, well, ego driven. It's total Kody now that I've
been here and no one beat me up.You'll be fine, mom.

(01:38:10):
What the fuck? Such an idiot now, but they do
tell us, they do tell us that their new baby boy is going to
have a name and it means something to Robyn and her
family. And that name is Solomon.
Solomon Biblical Kody says that it is a strong masculine name.

(01:38:31):
Right. Now try not to pick on the kids,
but Fast forward to how many years later and it's like, OK,
well I know whatever. So now is fearful.
She's fearful. She does not.
She thinks the kids going to getpicked on.
Yeah, because it's a big long name or something.
It's too big of a name. For me, I am not, I don't take
this. Yeah.
Christine said I love King Solomon.

(01:38:54):
Because she's super familiar with King Solomon and loves King
Solomon, so that's great. I thought I fell asleep but it
turned out the episode was N wasjust on.
It was interesting. It was interesting.
We had some big moments and thenI'm like, are we done yet?
And then we just were, and it was great.
Absolutely. It was riveting.

(01:39:14):
It was another beautiful brown story.
Now it is time. Adventure.
Right, so we are not going to hold you hostage any longer.
We're going to get through the end of this episode.
Mustard Seed, Do you have one ready?
No, you go first. My mustard seed is the brunette
friend that says surreal. What was I thinking?

(01:39:36):
And questions Ken about his hypocrisy.
And yeah, she's my, she's my mustard seed.
There's several mustard seed contenders in that group, but
she's getting my mustard seed. OK, well in that same vein, I'm
going to go with Janelle for being like you double standard

(01:39:56):
mother fucker. And I heart that.
And you know, just Janelle has good moments here and there
regardless, but she was like fuck you.
Like fuck. Sometimes people don't know the
right way to call out double standards, and she just called
out a double standard. Yeah, direct.
Direct. Shit stain.
Shit stain. My shit stain goes to Ken

(01:40:19):
because Ken is a bit of an asshole and actually he's a lot
of an asshole. He probably got a really good at
it. So Ken gets my shit stain.
I think you're right, I think hedid get a good at it.
And again, his cuteness has nothing to do with his
personality. Part of me was like, would I
still have sex with him? I'm not.

(01:40:43):
Sure, you're like, only if you got me Chick-fil-A afterwards.
I'd be like, girl, literally it would just be for the second on
your sheets from Hobby Lobby. Like, oh.
Girl, look again, it's been a long time so I can't I'm not
making the right choices first of all.
First of all, coming clean. Also probably if I stood next to
him he probably would be like 410 and I'd be like Nope.

(01:41:04):
Anyway, so I feel like it has tobe Robyn.
Yeah. But why for this time I think
why for is her just like screechy moments about things
they were unnecessary to be screechy about?
What was the first one? Well, first of all, she has

(01:41:27):
failed Pligdar. Oh, failed bligdar Avi.
Or maybe it's actually was successful pligdar because there
were no. There were no blakes.
OK, so well, OK, Chris. Fine.
Get it together. I know.
You're telling me to get? No, I'm literally looking back
like, why am I mad at Robyn today?

(01:41:48):
I am mad because there's something we didn't get the full
story on, which was when she wanted to interrupt him with how
he was describing Meri bringing him into the cult, right?
And so there's something there that I met and I don't know that
that's her fault, but I'm still a little bit upset about it.

(01:42:08):
And then I also am upset about how she dresses and and oh how
she doesn't know that lightning on a lake is dangerous.
And I think that's probably it. Yeah, that's good enough.

(01:42:29):
That's good enough reasons for her.
To make sure I actually had goodreasons.
Yeah, no, for her taste in apparel, she deserves it alone.
Our Keep Suite moment This episode is a follow up from a
previous Keep Suite moment wherewe were wondering from Sarah
Taylor IF1800 stop it was for usto stop it or for Robyn to stop

(01:42:53):
it. Sometimes let me just ask
clarifying questions. We really like when you guys
respond. We are truth seekers.
We don't want any bullshit on this podcast.
And Sarah, Sarah got back to us.She let us know, thank you
Sarah, that the phone number is definitely for people that
support Robyn to stop it. We felt a lot better.

(01:43:17):
We were, we were a little concerned.
She says that we better never stop.
We better never stop. Careful what you ask for.
Well, this is it, but thank you.We could never stop.
Don't do that now you creep themall out all the time.
It gets all crazy like. Just look at the mountain.

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