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Is it possible your life might be a dream-like simulation where your soul actively chooses its challenges for growth? Join Blaire Stanislao & Fabi Cordaro on an enlightening exploration of the art of spiritual integration in everyday life. By the end of this episode you'll understand how to navigate the world as a spiritual warrior, weaving spiritual consciousness into the practicalities of daily existence.
Imagine your identity not as a fixed entity but as a flexible tool for learning, much like a character in a video game. Together, we'll uncover how viewing personal and collective traumas as essential growth catalysts can empower you to move beyond reactionary living.
As we step into the realm of parenting and self-responsibility, we highlight the transformative shift towards gentle parenting and breaking generational cycles of trauma. We'll touch on how subconscious beliefs shape experiences and discuss practical steps for manifesting conscious behavior. Finally, we celebrate our collective shift towards communal healing and spiritual growth and it's role in creating meaningful change in our lives.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, this is Blair Stanislao with the Happy Lion
Center.
Welcome to our podcast Mysticaland Infamous, where we have
playful and easy conversationsabout anything mystical, getting
to the heart of all things,strange and weird.
Join us in a bit of magicaltomfoolery, spreading the
alchemy of love and light.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And now we invite you to enjoy the show and light,
and now we invite you to enjoythe show.
A lot of my, so a lot of myclients.
What I'm seeing is the guys aretelling me, as well as them, to
simplify and bring things tothe 3D and make it much more
practical.
And I think it's kind of this,like energy right now, as we
(00:41):
move from the winter into thespring, of planting the seeds
and that analogy of reallygerminating on what it is that
we're bringing forth.
It's not for me, the energy I'mfeeling right now isn't go, go,
go go.
It's very much like, okay,under the ground, what is
(01:03):
happening?
Like mother earth is coming outof winter and going into spring
, but we're not blooming yet,especially in the in the
northern hemisphere, which mostof my clients are, and um, but
also just this emphasis on notfocusing so much only on the
(01:23):
astral realms or the like,higher frequencies or, you know,
the channeling, but alsobringing.
How do I bring it into thephysical?
How do I bring it into myday-to-day life?
Because I think a big thingthat people forget is, you know,
the consciousness is beingbrought into the human body.
(01:45):
It isn't us escapingconsciousness, right?
We don't the people who arewaking up and the people who are
being called to share themission or the vision of the
ascension of earth.
They're not monks, they're notBuddhists who are up on a
mountaintop excluding themselvesfrom the real life.
They're moms, they're dads,they're real people and I think
(02:10):
there's been a really bigemphasis in the world that I'm
in the people in my world around.
Okay, you channel all thisinformation, but then how do you
make it implemented in yourreal life?
Like, how do you help peoplethat are at the grocery store?
Like, how can we become thevibration of you know, the
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Christ consciousness?
And like, how do we impact thepeople in our lives and we don't
seclude ourselves into you know, creating this like separate
thing that our spirituality is?
How do you bring yourspirituality into your humanness
and marry the two?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
yeah, it's really interesting.
You say that that, uh, thespiritual community that you're
dealing with is saying come outof the spirit world so much.
And then there's also otherswho are trying to get into the
spiritual world, and then itseems like, oh, it's so
miraculous, you know, it's likeamazing and it does feel like an
(03:11):
escape a lot of times.
Right, I would say that Idefinitely am sensing that that
same thing, but in a differentway, because I don't I don't
necessarily work with people inthe same way that you do, but
that has been very clear for me,for, I mean, for me it's like a
practical thing, like long term.
Okay, that's great and dandy.
(03:31):
What do I do with that?
You know like, yes, here'sthese stories about Orion, I
mean even some of the stories wetalked about yeah, that's time.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
those are great stories, but what does that?
How does that impact me rightnow?
You know exactly, exactly.
Yeah so that's actually what myI do believe.
If there, I mean, I don't thinkthere is one life purpose, but
if if there was one major one, Iwould say that is exactly it,
because what I now focus ondoing is helping people do
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exactly that.
And I have heard multiple times, many times over, about, you
know, the true spiritualwarriors are the ones who, when
they come off the mountain andthey come back into regular life
and they exhibit that.
You know, I've got a friend toowho she's an energy healer and
I think she's actually this waslast week just actually came to
(04:22):
the final realization for herthat she really doesn't resonate
with the word healer, shereally resonates with the word
activator.
And the reason being is she waskind of articulating something
which I affirmed because I knewthat before I didn't necessarily
use the words to say it,obviously in a way that she got
it, but by her being who she iswords to say it obviously in a
(04:48):
way that she got it, but by herbeing who she is, she simply
activates people.
It's like correct, you know,you're in an environment with
other people and this, let's say, person b has a personality, or
they have whatever history theyhave, and it causes them to say
or do something thattechnically triggers you, right?
Yes, instigates you into thisprocess of going within and
finding the spiritual connection, and that in itself is being
(05:11):
spiritual right, correct, yeah,correct.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And it's so interesting because you yeah, I
say this all the time like the,I'm not here to heal you.
The healer doesn't heal you,the healer is, what I'm here is
to create a container and anopportunity for you to heal
yourself, because we all areinnately capable of, and are
meant to do, this work.
It's all an inside job, right?
(05:34):
I'm just a facilitator or anactivator or a spur, whatever
you want to call it, and I agreewith that.
Like I think there's, there'sthis bringing it down, like
we're not creating gurus anymore.
It's not like this, likehierarchy where this person is
higher than you.
It's like we aren't evenseparate, right, like that's a
(05:55):
whole other conversation around,like separation is an illusion
and there is no such thing asyou or I.
It's just a differentexperience.
But, like you said, it's, it's,we are in.
Every connection you have orany interaction you have is an
opportunity for you to see themirror that's being put in front
(06:16):
of you, so that you can goinwards and identify those parts
that need to be optimized orwhat is activated inside of you,
and then going to do the innerwork.
And so, yeah, I think it's sointeresting that you kind of
swing one way, right, wherepeople didn't want to call
themselves healers, they calledthemselves coaches.
(06:36):
And then I'm like but you are,you are healing yourself at the
very least, right, and throughdoing that you are healing your
generational line, you'rehealing your family, you're
healing like so much healing ishappening just by you healing
yourself.
And so, just like I think it'sthe swing of going one way and
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then going the other, of like,own it, be a healer, and then
okay, but don't like, let's notbring it back a bit Like you're
a facilitator because everyoneis healing themselves.
So it's almost like we'retrying to find this middle
ground where I think, whenyou're saying you know, going,
it's being escaping into thespiritual realm is.
(07:18):
I've seen that so often withpeople who, when I was first in
encounter spirituality, theyhave this virtual awakenings and
they have this mountain topmoments.
With people who, when you firstencounter spirituality, they
have these spiritual awakeningsand they have these mountaintop
moments and they don't integrate, they don't go into the depth,
right, and so that's a way ofspiritual bypassing, right,
because it has to be both.
(07:39):
You need to be able to optimizeyour darkness, your the depths,
the, the lower vibrations, tobe able to then bring that back
into the world and support thoseof you here to support right.
But I think a lot of timespeople want to only focus on the
mountaintop moments.
(08:00):
We want to only do the thingsthat feel good and we kind of
bypass the parts that aren't sogood.
To look at, nice, to experience, um, and so there is this.
I feel like shift happeningwhere the deeper people get into
(08:20):
their spiritual path, theyrealize it's not all fun and
games, right, it gets like Ithink people have been on this
journey for a while.
Like we know it's not a darknight of the soul, it is
multiple and continuous, right,but I think there's this common
misconception of oh it's, youknow, I'm going to find
(08:43):
spirituality that's going tosave me, where I think there's
so much more to it.
And I think people there aresome people who are
misconstruing it.
But I also think that it's justnormal for people to feel like,
oh, I need something to save me, especially since things are so
like, seem to be so horrificright now.
(09:04):
And it's so interesting lookingat it from a spiritual lens,
because if you understand howeverything is put together, you
realize that everything isneutral.
Every single thing has nomeaning until you give it
meaning.
And if you're able to reallylook at everything in that lens,
(09:25):
you're going to be able tostart seeing how things are
happening for you and not to you, and that as you work through
that in your own life, you canstart looking at the news and
just really kind of take a stepback and understand that's a
soul contract.
That's a soul contract, that'sa soul plan.
That is karma playing out.
There is no, there's no, youknow no martyrdom necessary.
(09:49):
There's no saver complexnecessary.
These people don't, no one needsyou to go and save them and you
basically take yourself out ofit and you sit down and you sit,
tell your ego to be like theydon't need your saving because
they are sovereign beings whoare co-creating their own
realities.
But I feel like that's a very,it feels very harsh for people
(10:13):
who don't understand really howthe energy works and how energy
manifests and how we arecreating from our subconscious.
And so to someone who is in thefear dynamic, in the survival
mode, to someone like that whocannot see past their own pain
and cannot understand thateverything in their life is
(10:35):
there to help them wake up andrealize that there's more to
what they see than just theirfear.
To them, it seems like oh my,my goodness, if I just find
spirituality, I'll just find thesavior.
You can save me, um, and it'sso easy to be um one either
manipulated in that state, butalso to put someone on a
(10:57):
pedestal and be like you'regonna save me yeah, and and
actually what I'm actuallyseeing it with her.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
It was very personal for me even just yesterday, but
what I'm actually seeing is notonly a call to make it practical
and how do you actuallyimplement this into your
everyday life but also, as youhad described before.
You know, part of this wholeprocess is pulling back and
watching it non-objectively,meaning there's no judgment of
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anything that occurs.
So trying to pull back from theemotions, because that's
usually what engulfs us, right.
So pulling back from that andand here's the other part when
I'm this is what I'm seeingright now is the attachment to
whatever it is with which youidentify yourself, right.
(11:48):
So it's pulling back andwatching that and saying, okay,
I experienced this thing.
Whatever it is, I amexperiencing it, but it is not
who.
I am Right.
And so when you're able to pullback from that, then you can
choose to either go back into itand experience it, feel the
emotions, or whatever, or youcan say you know what?
(12:09):
That's not aligned for me, thatdoesn't work for me.
Now I'm going to shift my focusto something else, and then you
become a much more powerfulmanifest your innocence.
Right, that's the word 100,right?
so that's where I'm seeing it is.
Yes, it is absolutely aboutbeing practical, bringing that
spirituality down to youreveryday life.
(12:31):
But not just that, but torecognize that you are not
whatever you're identifyingyourself with, correct.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Full in the blank.
That is not who you are.
Also, you do not exist, right.
That is not who you are.
Also, you do not exist, right.
If we really want to bring itlike, the you that you think you
are does actually not exist.
That is, that is a figment ofyour imagination.
Like this, all is a dream andwe are just players in a game,
and and it is.
(13:00):
Sometimes it can hurt your brainto think that way, but it is
also very freeing, because ifyou have no attachment, then you
don't attach to your thoughts,you don't attach to the feelings
, you don't attach to the peoplearound you, you don't attach to
the stories in your head.
That is the ultimate.
Like that's what the Buddhaspeaks of, right, like the state
(13:20):
of being unattached.
That's what meditation is allabout to be able to observe the
observer and to observe yourthoughts.
And you know, if you think ofyour thoughts as a river, you're
sitting on the bank andwatching your thoughts.
You are not your thoughts.
But that requires people toactually pause and take a minute
(13:44):
to be able to create spacebetween the thought and the
reaction so that they canobserve that thought as
something that is just anexperience or a neural pathway
that was created before theywere seven years old, or a story
that was said to them.
Right, but I it is.
(14:06):
It requires you to createseparation, create stillness and
create some type of pause and,in today's day and age, telling
people to just sit down insilence for five minutes without
doom scrolling, and you knowwhat I mean Like there's.
There's no space for that, butthat's that is why we came here,
(14:32):
right, but that's the.
That is why we came here right,like we.
We came here to be able toremember in a time when it was
so hard to remember, because Ialways say, if you were meant to
be a monk, you would be.
That's not what you chose.
You chose this life everysingle day when you wake up.
You chose it because if youdidn't want to be back into the
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simulation you would die in yoursleep, just randomly, right,
your heart would stop.
That is how much control youreally have on this simulation
that we're in, and so when youwake up in the morning, that is
another opportunity, and thatyour soul wanted you to
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experience more.
There was more for you toexperience, more, to learn more,
more in this life, and so, eventhough it may feel like either
it's too much or you don't,there's nothing for you to learn
, or whatever the reason, is itthere?
Actually is you're not here.
(15:33):
I think a lot of people think,especially starting to in this
virtual world, especiallystarseeds, they're like I feel
like I'm in prison here.
I was sent here, you know themeans Like I didn't sign up for
this.
You did sign up for this.
This is all consent-based,right?
You did volunteer as tributeand you're volunteering as
tribute every single day, everyminute of every day.
(15:54):
You have the opportunity to go.
Am I still in the matrix rightnow?
Or am I going to really look atwhat is happening right now and
be in this moment, which isbasically the only one that
exists?
Right, but yeah, what you'resaying is so true, because I
(16:16):
think, think, especially in thewest, there's such a big thing
about identity, especially likeeven identity politics, right,
like I am presenting as a femaleperson of color.
Right, and this is the avatar Ichose.
But that's just what it is.
That's the avatar I chosebecause I knew what it came with
and got the opportunities itwas going to bring me to learn
(16:36):
the lessons that I needed tolearn, and, if you can
understand it.
It is literally as if you areplaying a video game and you had
options and you chose specificcharacteristics, specific family
, you know, specific family.
All of these things were chosenby your soul so that you can
learn something.
Not that it doesn't create whoyou are as a soul identity.
(17:04):
It is purely just an avenue anda vehicle that is going to help
you play the game that we're in.
And so, yes, there is a lotthat comes with being a person
of color or being a woman, andthere are there's a lot that
have like that comes with thatchoice.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
But to stop making that choice, be or say something
about you, like you said, yeah,yeah, and it's much easier to
see when you, when you actuallyyou know, I think you know,
obviously personal trauma issomething that will kick start
somebody into this right becausebasically, they can't tolerate
whatever is going on, and sothey have to find a different
(17:47):
solution.
And this is the solution.
Yes, but you could say thatsame thing is happening
collectively as well.
I mean, even if you just lookat the world during COVID,
absolutely at a minimum, one ofthe foundations that we realized
as a humanity, a human species,is that there is a need for
connection, there is a need forgenuine interaction with people
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and an acknowledgement for that.
And so I think that it upped,because it was the trauma that
we were all experiencing at thesame time, 100%.
It caused us to all recognizethat more than maybe we had
before, and then actuallyverbalize it and take action on
it and so forth.
And so I think all of thosethings are really just helping
us all as a human species toascend, because we're, you know,
(18:35):
we've, we've called that forth.
I mean, I can remember when itfirst came out, I thought I
sensed that I was like, oh boy,this is going to be big.
You know, experience what itwas in the United States, the
United States.
It reminded me very much of9-11.
I can remember I was like Ithink I was like 23 or something
(18:57):
around nine, I had just gottenengaged and then this thing
happened in the.
It was on we, you know, we'rewatching on TV at work and then
it never turned off.
They just kept on with the news.
And, you know, at some point alot of people just realized I
can't watch that anymore.
Like I, I can't watch that doomand gloom and have it like it's
physically affecting me, youknow, and I think we all have to
(19:19):
kind of get to that point.
But it is how we bring it intoour physical bodies, bring it
into our 3d world, interact withother people with it, and how
do we merge the two with it.
And how do we merge the two like?
So something that came throughmonday night for me I don't know
, it wasn't monday, I think itwas last week actually I was
(19:40):
channeling and I was trying todescribe what was coming through
and it was for a group ofpeople who were practicing
channeling and the descriptionwas it's, it's going to be as
easy as it is for you to turnyour eyes to something else to
look at.
So just the motion of youshifting your eyes to a
different focal point, that'swhat shifting your energy is.
(20:06):
It's that easy, right, and it'sall the, the programming, the
experiences we've had, thatstops it from happening, where
we have to actually acknowledgeoh, this is what's there's.
There's a belief system orthere's a thought or there's a
feeling that's getting in theway of me being able to shift my
focus, because when I shiftfocus then, boom, it's all
(20:29):
changed it it does.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
It's like I don't know if you've heard of brain
spotting, but that is.
It's like a.
Basically it's a practice where, because every your brain
categorizes and your eyemovements it kind of brings into
EMDR, but your eye movementshold specific traumas or
specific wounds or experiencesand by focusing on a specific
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spot where that experience wasprogrammed into, you can rewrite
that and kind of work throughthat specific experience, for
example.
And that's what kind of came tome as you were talking.
But I think people don'trealize how programmed we are
(21:16):
Like.
We are like the programming,especially in the US.
You know, living in SouthAfrica, I grew up in a different
environment.
I did watch US.
I did watch US like TV, etcetera.
Um, I did what you is like, tvetc.
(21:36):
Um, but it's not, as I feellike I'm able to kind of step
out of it a little bit more thanmy, my husband, and same thing,
I knew where I was when I neverhappened, I was in elementary
school and I was not even inthis country, but I remember
everyone.
I feel like everyone knowswhere they were on 9, 11, right,
right, and so you're right,there was such a pivotal moment
that I think was orchestrated tobe able to wake people up,
(21:57):
which is the same of 2020.
And I was just talking aboutsome this morning to people and
I was like, as above, so belowright.
So everything you'reexperiencing and the triggers
and all of that, and the factthat it takes you to break two
elbows right To stop, is thesame.
With the collective, this isgoing to only get worse.
(22:17):
It's only going to get worseand not in a doom and gloom type
of way, but people need toreach rock bottom to wake up.
Unfortunately, some people maywake up easier and it doesn't
have to get that bad, but mostpeople, they are not going to
listen to the little whisper andthe little like nudge and no
need to be kicked off themountain before you're going to
(22:40):
actually like, make change.
And that's just how we are,that's just how humans are and,
um, I think, as we are, as weare getting to a point where the
collective needs to really likeen masse, not just one at a
time, like things are going toget worse before they get better
(23:04):
.
But also, if you understand thelaws of the universe, like
entropy works in a way where ifa system needs to be, if a
system is broken, it basicallyneeds to be broken first before
it can be fixed.
And so we are.
The system is being broken, onething at a time, right, one
(23:27):
realization people waking up to.
Oh my goodness, maybe Ishouldn't watch news all day, or
maybe I shouldn't eat red dye,or maybe you know all of these
things that we just wereprogrammed into us as that's
just how things are, we don'tquestion it.
These things are becoming soglaringly obvious that we cannot
not see it, and so the thingsare just going to get worse,
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because that's how peoplerealize it.
It's like the hyperbole needsto get worse, because that's how
people realize it.
It's like the hyperbole needsto happen before people really
see what is happening, and theykind of was just like turning a
blind eye to it, which I feellike is so all these the
metaphors around turning a blindeye or like looking a different
way or changing yourperspective, it has all to do
with that what you just said.
It will be as it is and will beas easy as just shifting where
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you look, and I think mostpeople are just so used to doing
the same thing.
They're just in the same rhythm, they're just habitually like
very.
They don't really question alot of things, and so it
requires like that big wake upmoment for them to be like I was
(24:37):
literally asleep, I've beendoing this same thing forever
and there isn't like I'm not,even I'm not even aware of it.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, you know, I think it's kind of interesting.
I think, as a species we are,we are shifting things, but in
in ways that are not quite astangible all the time for
everybody.
If I think about it, whatyou're saying now reminds me of
these generational changes Like,for example, my generation
(25:09):
dealt with the typical kind oftraumas that we would have for
that generation, right, and so,as adults, when we bring
children into this world, wehave two choices we can either
operate the way that we wereraised or we can make a change,
and then what happens is, youknow, you've got the next
generation that operates in anentirely different way.
(25:30):
So, for example, with mychildren's generation, which I
think is just now, I think it'skind of shifted.
There.
There's this idea of gentleparenting and I've seen a lot of
mockery of it and I totally getthat because I've experienced
the non-gentle parenting andthen the gentle parenting, and
it's really interesting being aparent at this time, because you
(25:51):
start to.
You know, you see the thingsthat gave you trauma.
You've done the work to figureout what it is that was so
traumatic for you about that.
You've healed it, you see itand you're like, nope, not doing
that.
And then, even if you're able,within a safe container with
your children, are able to notdo that, and so they don't
(26:13):
experience it.
They go out in the world.
And you go out in the world andthen you've got people say, well
, why didn't you do X, y, z,because this is better.
And you know, you either makethe choice to interact with that
and say I understand whereyou're coming from, but that
doesn't work for me because ofwhatever reasons.
And and then things start toshift.
(26:33):
But I think we see that withinthe generations, and I think
typically you have youngergenerations that seem to
irritate the older generationsfor these reasons.
Right, yes, but they'regenerally speaking, as humans,
we seem to evolve into a betterspace.
So, like I would say, the young, younger generation now I don't
know if that's what z orwhatever they are um, they, you
(26:57):
know.
Body positivity.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
That was not something that was, oh my
goodness, okay these videos,since we had videos, the videos
of mtv, yeah, in interviews andthe way that they treated these
young women um on like on thered carpet, and the things I
asked them.
Just watching it is socringeworthy now, but we watched
that when we were younger,right, and no one like that was
(27:20):
how it was.
That's just the conversationsthey had.
They talked about their bodiesall the time yeah, that's insane
.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, and now, and, and now we have and I'll be
honest, I'm one of those wheremy children experience things
and they're interacting withsomebody else and they are
telling me something that'shappening that is essentially
not aligning for them.
Yeah, or you know, and, orprobably both, not, they're not
(27:46):
being able to communicate withthis person in the way that
they're able to hear, hear whatthey're saying able to
communicate with this person inthe way that they're able to
hear, hear what they're saying.
So, as a as a mother, I'm likeokay, give me, you know, give me
some more information about thecontext of the thing and the
but my answer is always you takecare of yourself.
If they're telling you to dosomething that really doesn't
align for you and it's not, it'snot going to be good long-term,
(28:09):
then just don't do it.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It doesn't matter what they say.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
It doesn't matter what they threaten you with or
what have you, because that'sthe typical kind of response.
And so you have young peoplewho are willing to say, no, I'm
not doing that and it is.
It is friction there, right,Like there's a lot.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Because young people aren't Subconscious things.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
A hundred percent.
Like you know, growing up, kidsare only supposed to be heard.
They should just be seen.
Like all of these things ofthis, like the stories that we
are rewriting for our children.
But it is interesting when youstart, like looking at the ways
that your children help you onyour healing journey, the ways
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that your children help you onyour healing journey, like being
a parent, is such an initiationand it is continuously showing
you the parts of yourself thatstill need love and parts of
your inner child that still needhealing.
And it's, it's such a gift tobe able to, like you know both
be a shepherd.
I always say, like my children,like my daughter was in,
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children are gifted to us andit's such an honor to have been
chosen by her soul to be able tohelp her through this life.
But also, I think the thingwith gentle parenting that I
love is the part that people,people don't speak of, which I
think is the self-responsibilitythat the parent needs to take
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as to, like what is happeninginside of me that is activating
me about this child's behavior,and how can I go now and do my
inner work so that I can show upin a regulated state and or I
can figure out, like why is thisso triggering to me, which I
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think is is such a shift in ourparents and older generations,
and I think that's why it's sohard for them when we make
choices for our children or forour families that are different
than theirs, because that thesecond part, that is not
something that they are used toor even know how to do right.
(30:18):
They have no clue how to doinner work.
How to, you know, look atthemselves in the mirror and
take self-responsibility and saythat they're sorry, like I say
sorry to my daughter all daylong.
Thank you for telling me that Iam so sorry I hurt your
feelings, that is.
I can't remember the last time,like the only time, my parents
said sorry to me was when they,after they, gave me like a
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spanking.
Then my mom would say sorry,like you know, all of that is a
whole other conversation.
I know right, I was lucky, Iguess in a way, but it's the way
that I just hear myselfspeaking to her.
And then, obviously, when I'mwith my in-laws, the comments
are always a whole thing and itis sitting with the discomfort
(31:08):
and being able to then go and dosomething about it that is hard
for most people, like, nomatter what your age is, no
matter what generation it is,it's not fun to have to sit with
the discomfort of your childbringing something up in you and
nine times out of 10, it wasbasically your inner child at
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that age who's come online andis looking for something from
you and you're reacting in theway that your parents reacted
towards you, which is probablynot healthy.
And then it's like this wholespiral if you're not aware of
the dynamics and you're just youknow you're kind of just like
in the same rhythm as yourparents were, or like you know
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there's no awareness, and Ithink that's the first thing.
It is like the awareness ofyour child is going to trigger
you.
Nine times out of 10, if yourseven-year-old shows up and she
triggers you, yourseven-year-old will be the one
that's driving the bus or takingover, and so you need to check
yourself and it's not yourseven-year-old's fault that you
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got activated, and I thinkthat's a big shift.
What I realized and I and I I'mseeing a little bit of this
where I think a lot of times inthe like healing world, people
try and say that you triggeredme and so you need to do
something different, or likeit's your fault.
I, yes, and it's so interestingbecause that is that that's not
(32:38):
how I believe it works at all,because your triggers are
opportunities for you toidentify where there's things
for you to work on internally.
And, yes, you can communicatethat and set a boundary, and if
someone loves you, they willrespect that boundary, and if
they don't, then that again it'syour responsibility to hold
your boundary.
And so it always comes back toself-responsibility every single
(33:03):
time.
And I think there is thisdisconnect sometimes when I
listen to people speak aboutlike in the healing realm of
like, don't you know, it'salmost like putting the onus on
someone else to like walk oneggshells.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
That's the that's.
Again, it's referring back tothat human, the human constructs
, right, like.
So there's a couple of thingshere that I'm saying.
So one thing I do want toaddress, um, which we were
mentioning before, is, um thisidea of not questioning things
fully, or or maybe does thatmean that we have to, like, I
(33:39):
still feel like there's anundertone within our I don't
know if it's the whole world,but definitely as Americans
undertone of um, okay, so thisperson, let's say that this
conversation is saying we're notquestioning things enough.
So how much do I have toquestion to get it right?
You know, like, how far do Ihave to go to be on the right
side?
Because that's on the wrongside, right, but that's not what
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we're saying we're saying it'sjust a process, correct, and um
and and again.
It's that that.
It's that subconsciouspatterning or structure or
belief systems that say therehas to be a wrong and a right
and a right?
Yes, it doesn't have to be.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
No, there's no such thing as wrong or right.
It's all an experience.
Everything is neutral.
It's all like if you interactwith something that means that
your subconscious one createdthat two and your superconscious
provided the consent for thatto happen for you and not to you
, and so you have.
You're a sovereign being, soyou actually cannot give your
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power away.
That is impossible.
Well, someone can't take yourpower away from you.
You are giving your power awayin every situation and it's hard
to hear because it's so easyfor us to step into the victim
role and especially if you havebig T trauma, it's so hard to
get to a point to realize thatthe horrible things that
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happened to you there are.
There's a reason for that, andthat was you chose that path to
be able to learn something fromit.
But there isn't anything anyonecan do to you that you didn't
either co-create from asubconscious level and or agree
to from a super conscious level.
This is all your own.
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We're all playing our ownlittle game and everything
around us we create, and youcan't abdicate your
responsibility to someone else.
But it's so hard to have thatconversation with people,
especially people who are justso used to being the victim and
wanting to blame others fortheir experiences.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Well, and it's perpetuated Like they were.
I mean, even as you weretalking, there was reminding me
of when I finally heard a phrasethat made sense.
So I mean, I I entertained, youknow, I read a couple of things
here there and I understood itand I got it all about talking
about empaths and you know youcan type in empath and get all
kinds of stuff on there and youknow what is an empath, how does
(36:10):
it work?
Okay, then they go shift toenergy vampires, okay, and that
is 100%, blank game, 100%.
So I finally heard somebody oneof my healers said there is no
energy vampire.
It's exactly what you just said, which is you are allowing that
person right, You're allowingthat experience for you to
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essentially allow your energy togo out or deplete or shift or
whatever, and so you're still inownership.
So if you're the one who'sowning it, then you can just
stop that immediately.
You don't even have to reallydo anything.
You just that's it.
I'm done, but it's that youknow.
There was something else youwere saying that's reminding me
(36:52):
of this.
Well, you use the word newsseveral times.
So we're talking about, likethe way that things are
presented in the news.
It sensationalizes everything,yes, and not everything.
Well, not even not everything.
That is a human way of being.
That may make it feel like it'smore intense, but in reality
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it's not.
It's the same thing.
Like it's more intense, but inreality it's not.
It's the same thing.
I mean even honestly, yesterday,the thing for me was last week
I started feeling quite a bitbetter with my elbows, and so
we're at like two months now,which is good, and yesterday my
arms were killing me like justhurt, woke me up at four o'clock
in the morning and then byabout seven o'clock somebody
(37:36):
asked me and I'm like, nope, ithurting since 7, 4, 30 this
morning, you know, and um, Irealized that it really comes
from me going back into thatsubconscious pattern, because
part of my lessons aboutbreaking my elbows is to stop
trying to do so many differentthings.
And I knew that that was likethe first thing, right.
(37:57):
But last week I found myself oh, I had this meeting and I had
this meeting and I saw thesepeople and I did this thing and
I could feel that, coming on,but how to know what to do
differently, that was adifferent thing.
So luckily I had a friend whosaid, hey, I'm sensing this
about you right now, Like, yeah,you're right, you a friend who
said hey, I'm sensing this aboutyou right now, like yeah,
(38:18):
you're right, you're exactlyright.
And then it just kind of came onand and, and we all have to
find our own way to shift it.
So, even though I've done allthe spiritual work, done all you
know for so long, here I am.
I just have the same situation.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
You still go back on those subconscious patterns yeah
, and it is just so, just havingso much compassion because,
again, if there was nothing morefor you to learn and experience
, you would not wake up in themorning, right?
So, like there's still not tosay that you know it's going to
continue to like be learning, or, like you know, I think a lot
of people have this like whenI'm going to be fully healed,
(38:51):
like when is this no longergoing to be a pattern?
When it's no longer a pattern,that's when, yeah, when,
whenever it's no longer apattern, it will stop being a
pattern.
That that is.
And and I think we, we, wedon't realize that.
I had a session this morningwith a client and we did some
big shifts and really like therewas a ton of parts that came up
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, and so she was like but howdon't I?
I don't want to do this anymoreand I don't want to respond
this way anymore and I don'twant to continue this pattern.
How do I?
So what do I?
How do I not do that anymore?
And I'm like, well, for now,right now, what we're going to
do after the session is you'regoing to integrate.
Right now, what we're going todo after the session is you're
going to integrate and you'regoing to go outside and ask the
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elementals to help you integrateall of the shifts and you're
going to wait because theuniverse and how energy works is
you have now shifted yourperspective, you have more
awareness about this pattern.
You are putting out there thevibration of I am no longer
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going to give my power away.
There are going to beopportunities in your day, in
your week, probably, in thatlike not even right, like I
think if you're aware enough youcan see it immediately
Opportunities where you'll beable to put in practice this new
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response or this newperspective.
And so the universe is an echo,right, it'll echo back to you
what you put out there.
So if you say, I have decided,and I have decided that I'm no
longer going to give away mypower, I am aware of this
pattern and I've integrated allof these parts.
(40:41):
We did all of this work.
Okay, so here are someopportunities for you to now.
It's basically like you'velearned for the test.
Now the test is coming andyou're going to have the
opportunity to respond in adifferent way.
You don't have to knowimmediately how to change your
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response.
It's going to come into yourfield and there's going to be
opportunities, whether it's aperson in your life, whether
it's an opportunity for you tosay no where you normally would
have said yes.
That is how this works You'reco -creating from your
subconscious, and so we aremanifestors.
Regardless of, like peoplealways say oh, I need to learn
(41:26):
how to manifest, you are amanifestor.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
I'm doing it already.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
You're doing it.
You are a manifestation ofsource energy in physicality.
That in itself is manifesting.
So you don't need to learn howto manifest.
You need to learn how to stopsubconsciously manifesting and
start being more aware andconsciously being manifesting
and changing the neural pathwaysand the stories of what you're
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putting out there and so.
So I was like, whenever ithappens, because it's going to
happen either today or this week, but we have, like Foxer, you
know as well in our container,let me know whenever something
comes along your field where youhave the opportunity to give
away a power or not give away apower, and that's how we change
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our behavior.
It's not through like, andthat's why I feel like it's.
So that's where the like comingfull circle.
How we bring it into the.
The practical is bring it offof the mat.
Right, when you do you talkabout meditation and you talk to
yogis or you talk to buddhists,how do you bring?
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Bring what your practice is onthe mat?
How do you bring it off of themat?
So, okay, you're channeling andyou're hearing all of these new
things, okay, so then, when yougo into your real life, how are
you going to implement thethings that you now know the new
perspective, the change inawareness, the stories.
How are you now going torespond differently?
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And that's how you integrate,that's how you embody this new
quote-unquote version, which isbasically just more the version
of you who is not being blockedby.
You know the stories, the egoand all of that, and so it's.
It's not necessarily like this,like people always like can you
just tell me what I need to doand just tell me what are all
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the things I need to do?
It's like life gives youopportunities to change your
response every minute of the day, and you can either be aware of
that and make an aware andconscious choice to no longer
respond in the same way, or youcan just continue doing the same
thing it's your choice.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Well, I think that's what you know.
When we first started talking,it was about like, where, where
are you sensing the energies now?
And I think that, yeah, speaksdirectly to what we're seeing,
not only out in the world, but Ithink we, as whatever you want
to call them healers,facilitators, activators,
whatever they are um, that'swhat we're seeing in the
(43:59):
collective is that we are nowall starting to walk with each
other and community, instead ofit being this other person, this
other theoretical energy.
This other is is the one who'sgoing to give me the answer.
But, in reality, you simply gotogether and you experience it
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all together and give yourcomments about it and share and
support each other, and thentrigger one another.
And then you know, just say,just like before, get mad about
it and then be like okay, now amI going to act like I was
before, or am I going to realizethat I'm mad about it and then
be like okay, now am I going toact like I was before, or am I
going to realize that I'm madabout this because I'm mad about
something within me and am Igoing to do that shift, or am I
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going to put that on the otherperson.
So it's just beautifulevolution from going outside of
the self to we're all kind ofrecognizing we have to go within
the self.
But now we're really looking atdoing it in community.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Exactly, that's such a big theme that I picked up on
at least of the last, even likein the last year, of like
community and coming togetherand reestablishing that felt
sense of being in community thatwe've lost as a society, but
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especially even in this virtualcommunity, because this is
sometimes such a personalexperience going through, you
know, dark night of the soul,going through your awakenings.
It can be very isolating andbecause there weren't that many
people that could even create acommunity, you know, six, seven,
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10 years ago now that morepeople even are coming out of
the woodwork of like oh, I, I, Isay the most crazy out there
thing, and someone's like, oh mygosh, I agree, and I'm like,
where'd you come from?
Great, we're friends, friendsnow, and you gotta just find
them all, like all kind ofsprinkled out around, um, and I
(46:03):
think now is the time for us tocome together, because I do
believe that we are made to bein community and made to be in
communal healing and to bring,like you know, one of us is like
powerful, but together we canbe so much more powerful and
alchemize just so much more andheal the earth, heal the like,
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just heal everything ourselves.
Um, because I thinkrelationship is such an in
addition to like parenthood, butin other initiations, but
relationships are such a greatinitiation as well for for you
to be able to, like you said,mirror each other, trigger each
other, come back together.
Um, but finding that community,whether it's local, whether
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it's online, I think it justadds another layer to your
spiritual practice and yourspiritual depth, where you can
be service to others, likeserving each other, whilst also
like holding space for oneanother, which I feel like I'm
seeing so many just like pop upall over my city online and it's
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just so beautiful to see wherewe're coming together in such a
space.
That's not, and I really like.
When I walked away from thechurch, that was something that
I think a lot of people strugglewith, because that the church
does a lot of things, right orwrong, but the one thing it does
right is the community aspectof it right.
(47:37):
The aspect of understanding andrecognizing and really fostering
that sense of like belonging,um, in a very weirdly not
healthy way.
But underneath, underneath they, they identify, they recognize
the importance of humans beingum pack animals at the very
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prime of nature.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah, no, I totally agree, and it's kind of funny
that's why I was laughing isthat that's actually the thing
that I disliked the most, and itwasn't the idea of community,
it was the way that it wasexecuted in my experiences, and
it had to do with the ego or themind taking too much precedence
.
So it was like you had to be inthe right clothes or you had to
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say the right thing, whateverthose things are that are of the
superficial.
That's what I felt like wasdriving it.
I knew it wasn't, otherwise Iwouldn't have been there.
There are some parts where thecommunities in those groups are
in fact genuine, they're reallyconnecting on a spiritual level,
and those are great communitiesto be part of.
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But it's almost like you haveto filter through all the rest
of it to be able to find that.
But I do feel like we definitelyare going that way as a, as a
species, and that's, I mean,that's that's the only way to go
.
I can't imagine going, I mean,the other.
To go the other way wouldessentially create Armageddon or
those things that we're talkingabout doom and gloom, where we
stop taking care of the earthentirely and then you know we
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all die off or whatever.
But so there's this two.
You know like we can go whichway.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Exactly and we're hopefully not going that way.
Yeah, going that way.
Yeah we are.
We are headed in a directionand hopefully it is the right
one, or the the one of healingand the one of ascension, and
not the one of the planet beingcompletely destroyed, because
that's an option too.
Like you said, that that hashappened before on other planets
and I think a lot of peoplehave that in their soul, um
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history of experiencing what itis like, and I think that's a
lot of people I speak to orstarseeds are like.
They don't necessarilyconsciously remember it, but
they can pick up on that.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
This behavior is going to go towards that.
Yeah, yeah.
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A lot of my, so a lot of myclients.
What I'm seeing is the guys aretelling me, as well as them, to
simplify and bring things tothe 3D and make it much more
practical.
And I think it's kind of this,like energy right now, as we
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move from the winter into thespring, of planting the seeds
and that analogy of reallygerminating on what it is that
we're bringing forth.
It's not for me, the energy I'mfeeling right now isn't go, go,
go go.
It's very much like, okay,under the ground, what is
(01:03):
happening?
Like mother earth is coming outof winter and going into spring
, but we're not blooming yet,especially in the in the
northern hemisphere, which mostof my clients are, and um, but
also just this emphasis on notfocusing so much only on the
(01:23):
astral realms or the like,higher frequencies or, you know,
the channeling, but alsobringing.
How do I bring it into thephysical?
How do I bring it into myday-to-day life?
Because I think a big thingthat people forget is, you know,
the consciousness is beingbrought into the human body.
(01:45):
It isn't us escapingconsciousness, right?
We don't the people who arewaking up and the people who are
being called to share themission or the vision of the
ascension of earth.
They're not monks, they're notBuddhists who are up on a
mountaintop excluding themselvesfrom the real life.
They're moms, they're dads,they're real people and I think
(02:10):
there's been a really bigemphasis in the world that I'm
in the people in my world around.
Okay, you channel all thisinformation, but then how do you
make it implemented in yourreal life?
Like, how do you help peoplethat are at the grocery store?
Like, how can we become thevibration of you know, the
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Christ consciousness?
And like, how do we impact thepeople in our lives and we don't
seclude ourselves into you know, creating this like separate
thing that our spirituality is?
How do you bring yourspirituality into your humanness
and marry the two?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
yeah, it's really interesting.
You say that that, uh, thespiritual community that you're
dealing with is saying come outof the spirit world so much.
And then there's also otherswho are trying to get into the
spiritual world, and then itseems like, oh, it's so
miraculous, you know, it's likeamazing and it does feel like an
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escape a lot of times.
Right, I would say that Idefinitely am sensing that that
same thing, but in a differentway, because I don't I don't
necessarily work with people inthe same way that you do, but
that has been very clear for me,for, I mean, for me it's like a
practical thing, like long term.
Okay, that's great and dandy.
(03:31):
What do I do with that?
You know like, yes, here'sthese stories about Orion, I
mean even some of the stories wetalked about yeah, that's time.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
those are great stories, but what does that?
How does that impact me rightnow?
You know exactly, exactly.
Yeah so that's actually what myI do believe.
If there, I mean, I don't thinkthere is one life purpose, but
if if there was one major one, Iwould say that is exactly it,
because what I now focus ondoing is helping people do
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exactly that.
And I have heard multiple times, many times over, about, you
know, the true spiritualwarriors are the ones who, when
they come off the mountain andthey come back into regular life
and they exhibit that.
You know, I've got a friend toowho she's an energy healer and
I think she's actually this waslast week just actually came to
(04:22):
the final realization for herthat she really doesn't resonate
with the word healer, shereally resonates with the word
activator.
And the reason being is she waskind of articulating something
which I affirmed because I knewthat before I didn't necessarily
use the words to say it,obviously in a way that she got
it, but by her being who she iswords to say it obviously in a
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way that she got it, but by herbeing who she is, she simply
activates people.
It's like correct, you know,you're in an environment with
other people and this, let's say, person b has a personality, or
they have whatever history theyhave, and it causes them to say
or do something thattechnically triggers you, right?
Yes, instigates you into thisprocess of going within and
finding the spiritual connection, and that in itself is being
(05:11):
spiritual right, correct, yeah,correct.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And it's so interesting because you yeah, I
say this all the time like the,I'm not here to heal you.
The healer doesn't heal you,the healer is, what I'm here is
to create a container and anopportunity for you to heal
yourself, because we all areinnately capable of, and are
meant to do, this work.
It's all an inside job, right?
(05:34):
I'm just a facilitator or anactivator or a spur, whatever
you want to call it, and I agreewith that.
Like I think there's, there'sthis bringing it down, like
we're not creating gurus anymore.
It's not like this, likehierarchy where this person is
higher than you.
It's like we aren't evenseparate, right, like that's a
(05:55):
whole other conversation around,like separation is an illusion
and there is no such thing asyou or I.
It's just a differentexperience.
But, like you said, it's, it's,we are in.
Every connection you have orany interaction you have is an
opportunity for you to see themirror that's being put in front
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of you, so that you can goinwards and identify those parts
that need to be optimized orwhat is activated inside of you,
and then going to do the innerwork.
And so, yeah, I think it's sointeresting that you kind of
swing one way, right, wherepeople didn't want to call
themselves healers, they calledthemselves coaches.
(06:36):
And then I'm like but you are,you are healing yourself at the
very least, right, and throughdoing that you are healing your
generational line, you'rehealing your family, you're
healing like so much healing ishappening just by you healing
yourself.
And so, just like I think it'sthe swing of going one way and
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then going the other, of like,own it, be a healer, and then
okay, but don't like, let's notbring it back a bit Like you're
a facilitator because everyoneis healing themselves.
So it's almost like we'retrying to find this middle
ground where I think, whenyou're saying you know, going,
it's being escaping into thespiritual realm is.
(07:18):
I've seen that so often withpeople who, when I was first in
encounter spirituality, theyhave this virtual awakenings and
they have this mountain topmoments.
With people who, when you firstencounter spirituality, they
have these spiritual awakeningsand they have these mountaintop
moments and they don't integrate, they don't go into the depth,
right, and so that's a way ofspiritual bypassing, right,
because it has to be both.
(07:39):
You need to be able to optimizeyour darkness, your the depths,
the, the lower vibrations, tobe able to then bring that back
into the world and support thoseof you here to support right.
But I think a lot of timespeople want to only focus on the
mountaintop moments.
(08:00):
We want to only do the thingsthat feel good and we kind of
bypass the parts that aren't sogood.
To look at, nice, to experience, um, and so there is this.
I feel like shift happeningwhere the deeper people get into
(08:20):
their spiritual path, theyrealize it's not all fun and
games, right, it gets like Ithink people have been on this
journey for a while.
Like we know it's not a darknight of the soul, it is
multiple and continuous, right,but I think there's this common
misconception of oh it's, youknow, I'm going to find
(08:43):
spirituality that's going tosave me, where I think there's
so much more to it.
And I think people there aresome people who are
misconstruing it.
But I also think that it's justnormal for people to feel like,
oh, I need something to save me, especially since things are so
like, seem to be so horrificright now.
(09:04):
And it's so interesting lookingat it from a spiritual lens,
because if you understand howeverything is put together, you
realize that everything isneutral.
Every single thing has nomeaning until you give it
meaning.
And if you're able to reallylook at everything in that lens,
(09:25):
you're going to be able tostart seeing how things are
happening for you and not to you, and that as you work through
that in your own life, you canstart looking at the news and
just really kind of take a stepback and understand that's a
soul contract.
That's a soul contract, that'sa soul plan.
That is karma playing out.
There is no, there's no, youknow no martyrdom necessary.
(09:49):
There's no saver complexnecessary.
These people don't, no one needsyou to go and save them and you
basically take yourself out ofit and you sit down and you sit,
tell your ego to be like theydon't need your saving because
they are sovereign beings whoare co-creating their own
realities.
But I feel like that's a very,it feels very harsh for people
(10:13):
who don't understand really howthe energy works and how energy
manifests and how we arecreating from our subconscious.
And so to someone who is in thefear dynamic, in the survival
mode, to someone like that whocannot see past their own pain
and cannot understand thateverything in their life is
(10:35):
there to help them wake up andrealize that there's more to
what they see than just theirfear.
To them, it seems like oh my,my goodness, if I just find
spirituality, I'll just find thesavior.
You can save me, um, and it'sso easy to be um one either
manipulated in that state, butalso to put someone on a
(10:57):
pedestal and be like you'regonna save me yeah, and and
actually what I'm actuallyseeing it with her.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
It was very personal for me even just yesterday, but
what I'm actually seeing is notonly a call to make it practical
and how do you actuallyimplement this into your
everyday life but also, as youhad described before.
You know, part of this wholeprocess is pulling back and
watching it non-objectively,meaning there's no judgment of
(11:27):
anything that occurs.
So trying to pull back from theemotions, because that's
usually what engulfs us, right.
So pulling back from that andand here's the other part when
I'm this is what I'm seeingright now is the attachment to
whatever it is with which youidentify yourself, right.
(11:48):
So it's pulling back andwatching that and saying, okay,
I experienced this thing.
Whatever it is, I amexperiencing it, but it is not
who.
I am Right.
And so when you're able to pullback from that, then you can
choose to either go back into itand experience it, feel the
emotions, or whatever, or youcan say you know what?
(12:09):
That's not aligned for me, thatdoesn't work for me.
Now I'm going to shift my focusto something else, and then you
become a much more powerfulmanifest your innocence.
Right, that's the word 100,right?
so that's where I'm seeing it is.
Yes, it is absolutely aboutbeing practical, bringing that
spirituality down to youreveryday life.
(12:31):
But not just that, but torecognize that you are not
whatever you're identifyingyourself with, correct.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Full in the blank.
That is not who you are.
Also, you do not exist, right.
That is not who you are.
Also, you do not exist, right.
If we really want to bring itlike, the you that you think you
are does actually not exist.
That is, that is a figment ofyour imagination.
Like this, all is a dream andwe are just players in a game,
and and it is.
(13:00):
Sometimes it can hurt your brainto think that way, but it is
also very freeing, because ifyou have no attachment, then you
don't attach to your thoughts,you don't attach to the feelings
, you don't attach to the peoplearound you, you don't attach to
the stories in your head.
That is the ultimate.
Like that's what the Buddhaspeaks of, right, like the state
(13:20):
of being unattached.
That's what meditation is allabout to be able to observe the
observer and to observe yourthoughts.
And you know, if you think ofyour thoughts as a river, you're
sitting on the bank andwatching your thoughts.
You are not your thoughts.
But that requires people toactually pause and take a minute
(13:44):
to be able to create spacebetween the thought and the
reaction so that they canobserve that thought as
something that is just anexperience or a neural pathway
that was created before theywere seven years old, or a story
that was said to them.
Right, but I it is.
(14:06):
It requires you to createseparation, create stillness and
create some type of pause and,in today's day and age, telling
people to just sit down insilence for five minutes without
doom scrolling, and you knowwhat I mean Like there's.
There's no space for that, butthat's that is why we came here,
(14:32):
right, but that's the.
That is why we came here right,like we.
We came here to be able toremember in a time when it was
so hard to remember, because Ialways say, if you were meant to
be a monk, you would be.
That's not what you chose.
You chose this life everysingle day when you wake up.
You chose it because if youdidn't want to be back into the
(14:52):
simulation you would die in yoursleep, just randomly, right,
your heart would stop.
That is how much control youreally have on this simulation
that we're in, and so when youwake up in the morning, that is
another opportunity, and thatyour soul wanted you to
(15:12):
experience more.
There was more for you toexperience, more, to learn more,
more in this life, and so, eventhough it may feel like either
it's too much or you don't,there's nothing for you to learn
, or whatever the reason, is itthere?
Actually is you're not here.
(15:33):
I think a lot of people think,especially starting to in this
virtual world, especiallystarseeds, they're like I feel
like I'm in prison here.
I was sent here, you know themeans Like I didn't sign up for
this.
You did sign up for this.
This is all consent-based,right?
You did volunteer as tributeand you're volunteering as
tribute every single day, everyminute of every day.
(15:54):
You have the opportunity to go.
Am I still in the matrix rightnow?
Or am I going to really look atwhat is happening right now and
be in this moment, which isbasically the only one that
exists?
Right, but yeah, what you'resaying is so true, because I
(16:16):
think, think, especially in thewest, there's such a big thing
about identity, especially likeeven identity politics, right,
like I am presenting as a femaleperson of color.
Right, and this is the avatar Ichose.
But that's just what it is.
That's the avatar I chosebecause I knew what it came with
and got the opportunities itwas going to bring me to learn
(16:36):
the lessons that I needed tolearn, and, if you can
understand it.
It is literally as if you areplaying a video game and you had
options and you chose specificcharacteristics, specific family
, you know, specific family.
All of these things were chosenby your soul so that you can
learn something.
Not that it doesn't create whoyou are as a soul identity.
(17:04):
It is purely just an avenue anda vehicle that is going to help
you play the game that we're in.
And so, yes, there is a lotthat comes with being a person
of color or being a woman, andthere are there's a lot that
have like that comes with thatchoice.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
But to stop making that choice, be or say something
about you, like you said, yeah,yeah, and it's much easier to
see when you, when you actuallyyou know, I think you know,
obviously personal trauma issomething that will kick start
somebody into this right becausebasically, they can't tolerate
whatever is going on, and sothey have to find a different
(17:47):
solution.
And this is the solution.
Yes, but you could say thatsame thing is happening
collectively as well.
I mean, even if you just lookat the world during COVID,
absolutely at a minimum, one ofthe foundations that we realized
as a humanity, a human species,is that there is a need for
connection, there is a need forgenuine interaction with people
(18:11):
and an acknowledgement for that.
And so I think that it upped,because it was the trauma that
we were all experiencing at thesame time, 100%.
It caused us to all recognizethat more than maybe we had
before, and then actuallyverbalize it and take action on
it and so forth.
And so I think all of thosethings are really just helping
us all as a human species toascend, because we're, you know,
(18:35):
we've, we've called that forth.
I mean, I can remember when itfirst came out, I thought I
sensed that I was like, oh boy,this is going to be big.
You know, experience what itwas in the United States, the
United States.
It reminded me very much of9-11.
I can remember I was like Ithink I was like 23 or something
(18:57):
around nine, I had just gottenengaged and then this thing
happened in the.
It was on we, you know, we'rewatching on TV at work and then
it never turned off.
They just kept on with the news.
And, you know, at some point alot of people just realized I
can't watch that anymore.
Like I, I can't watch that doomand gloom and have it like it's
physically affecting me, youknow, and I think we all have to
(19:19):
kind of get to that point.
But it is how we bring it intoour physical bodies, bring it
into our 3d world, interact withother people with it, and how
do we merge the two with it.
And how do we merge the two like?
So something that came throughmonday night for me I don't know
, it wasn't monday, I think itwas last week actually I was
(19:40):
channeling and I was trying todescribe what was coming through
and it was for a group ofpeople who were practicing
channeling and the descriptionwas it's, it's going to be as
easy as it is for you to turnyour eyes to something else to
look at.
So just the motion of youshifting your eyes to a
different focal point, that'swhat shifting your energy is.
(20:06):
It's that easy, right, and it'sall the, the programming, the
experiences we've had, thatstops it from happening, where
we have to actually acknowledgeoh, this is what's there's.
There's a belief system orthere's a thought or there's a
feeling that's getting in theway of me being able to shift my
focus, because when I shiftfocus then, boom, it's all
(20:29):
changed it it does.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
It's like I don't know if you've heard of brain
spotting, but that is.
It's like a.
Basically it's a practice where, because every your brain
categorizes and your eyemovements it kind of brings into
EMDR, but your eye movementshold specific traumas or
specific wounds or experiencesand by focusing on a specific
(20:54):
spot where that experience wasprogrammed into, you can rewrite
that and kind of work throughthat specific experience, for
example.
And that's what kind of came tome as you were talking.
But I think people don'trealize how programmed we are
(21:16):
Like.
We are like the programming,especially in the US.
You know, living in SouthAfrica, I grew up in a different
environment.
I did watch US.
I did watch US like TV, etcetera.
Um, I did what you is like, tvetc.
(21:36):
Um, but it's not, as I feellike I'm able to kind of step
out of it a little bit more thanmy, my husband, and same thing,
I knew where I was when I neverhappened, I was in elementary
school and I was not even inthis country, but I remember
everyone.
I feel like everyone knowswhere they were on 9, 11, right,
right, and so you're right,there was such a pivotal moment
that I think was orchestrated tobe able to wake people up,
(21:57):
which is the same of 2020.
And I was just talking aboutsome this morning to people and
I was like, as above, so belowright.
So everything you'reexperiencing and the triggers
and all of that, and the factthat it takes you to break two
elbows right To stop, is thesame.
With the collective, this isgoing to only get worse.
(22:17):
It's only going to get worseand not in a doom and gloom type
of way, but people need toreach rock bottom to wake up.
Unfortunately, some people maywake up easier and it doesn't
have to get that bad, but mostpeople, they are not going to
listen to the little whisper andthe little like nudge and no
need to be kicked off themountain before you're going to
(22:40):
actually like, make change.
And that's just how we are,that's just how humans are and,
um, I think, as we are, as weare getting to a point where the
collective needs to really likeen masse, not just one at a
time, like things are going toget worse before they get better
(23:04):
.
But also, if you understand thelaws of the universe, like
entropy works in a way where ifa system needs to be, if a
system is broken, it basicallyneeds to be broken first before
it can be fixed.
And so we are.
The system is being broken, onething at a time, right, one
(23:27):
realization people waking up to.
Oh my goodness, maybe Ishouldn't watch news all day, or
maybe I shouldn't eat red dye,or maybe you know all of these
things that we just wereprogrammed into us as that's
just how things are, we don'tquestion it.
These things are becoming soglaringly obvious that we cannot
not see it, and so the thingsare just going to get worse,
(23:50):
because that's how peoplerealize it.
It's like the hyperbole needsto get worse, because that's how
people realize it.
It's like the hyperbole needsto happen before people really
see what is happening, and theykind of was just like turning a
blind eye to it, which I feellike is so all these the
metaphors around turning a blindeye or like looking a different
way or changing yourperspective, it has all to do
with that what you just said.
It will be as it is and will beas easy as just shifting where
(24:14):
you look, and I think mostpeople are just so used to doing
the same thing.
They're just in the same rhythm, they're just habitually like
very.
They don't really question alot of things, and so it
requires like that big wake upmoment for them to be like I was
(24:37):
literally asleep, I've beendoing this same thing forever
and there isn't like I'm not,even I'm not even aware of it.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, you know, I think it's kind of interesting.
I think, as a species we are,we are shifting things, but in
in ways that are not quite astangible all the time for
everybody.
If I think about it, whatyou're saying now reminds me of
these generational changes Like,for example, my generation
(25:09):
dealt with the typical kind oftraumas that we would have for
that generation, right, and so,as adults, when we bring
children into this world, wehave two choices we can either
operate the way that we wereraised or we can make a change,
and then what happens is, youknow, you've got the next
generation that operates in anentirely different way.
(25:30):
So, for example, with mychildren's generation, which I
think is just now, I think it'skind of shifted.
There.
There's this idea of gentleparenting and I've seen a lot of
mockery of it and I totally getthat because I've experienced
the non-gentle parenting andthen the gentle parenting, and
it's really interesting being aparent at this time, because you
(25:51):
start to.
You know, you see the thingsthat gave you trauma.
You've done the work to figureout what it is that was so
traumatic for you about that.
You've healed it, you see itand you're like, nope, not doing
that.
And then, even if you're able,within a safe container with
your children, are able to notdo that, and so they don't
(26:13):
experience it.
They go out in the world.
And you go out in the world andthen you've got people say, well
, why didn't you do X, y, z,because this is better.
And you know, you either makethe choice to interact with that
and say I understand whereyou're coming from, but that
doesn't work for me because ofwhatever reasons.
And and then things start toshift.
(26:33):
But I think we see that withinthe generations, and I think
typically you have youngergenerations that seem to
irritate the older generationsfor these reasons.
Right, yes, but they'regenerally speaking, as humans,
we seem to evolve into a betterspace.
So, like I would say, the young, younger generation now I don't
know if that's what z orwhatever they are um, they, you
(26:57):
know.
Body positivity.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
That was not something that was, oh my
goodness, okay these videos,since we had videos, the videos
of mtv, yeah, in interviews andthe way that they treated these
young women um on like on thered carpet, and the things I
asked them.
Just watching it is socringeworthy now, but we watched
that when we were younger,right, and no one like that was
(27:20):
how it was.
That's just the conversationsthey had.
They talked about their bodiesall the time yeah, that's insane
.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, and now, and, and now we have and I'll be
honest, I'm one of those wheremy children experience things
and they're interacting withsomebody else and they are
telling me something that'shappening that is essentially
not aligning for them.
Yeah, or you know, and, orprobably both, not, they're not
(27:46):
being able to communicate withthis person in the way that
they're able to hear, hear whatthey're saying able to
communicate with this person inthe way that they're able to
hear, hear what they're saying.
So, as a as a mother, I'm likeokay, give me, you know, give me
some more information about thecontext of the thing and the
but my answer is always you takecare of yourself.
If they're telling you to dosomething that really doesn't
align for you and it's not, it'snot going to be good long-term,
(28:09):
then just don't do it.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It doesn't matter what they say.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
It doesn't matter what they threaten you with or
what have you, because that'sthe typical kind of response.
And so you have young peoplewho are willing to say, no, I'm
not doing that and it is.
It is friction there, right,Like there's a lot.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Because young people aren't Subconscious things.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
A hundred percent.
Like you know, growing up, kidsare only supposed to be heard.
They should just be seen.
Like all of these things ofthis, like the stories that we
are rewriting for our children.
But it is interesting when youstart, like looking at the ways
that your children help you onyour healing journey, the ways
(28:53):
that your children help you onyour healing journey, like being
a parent, is such an initiationand it is continuously showing
you the parts of yourself thatstill need love and parts of
your inner child that still needhealing.
And it's, it's such a gift tobe able to, like you know both
be a shepherd.
I always say, like my children,like my daughter was in,
(29:14):
children are gifted to us andit's such an honor to have been
chosen by her soul to be able tohelp her through this life.
But also, I think the thingwith gentle parenting that I
love is the part that people,people don't speak of, which I
think is the self-responsibilitythat the parent needs to take
(29:38):
as to, like what is happeninginside of me that is activating
me about this child's behavior,and how can I go now and do my
inner work so that I can show upin a regulated state and or I
can figure out, like why is thisso triggering to me, which I
(29:58):
think is is such a shift in ourparents and older generations,
and I think that's why it's sohard for them when we make
choices for our children or forour families that are different
than theirs, because that thesecond part, that is not
something that they are used toor even know how to do right.
(30:18):
They have no clue how to doinner work.
How to, you know, look atthemselves in the mirror and
take self-responsibility and saythat they're sorry, like I say
sorry to my daughter all daylong.
Thank you for telling me that Iam so sorry I hurt your
feelings, that is.
I can't remember the last time,like the only time, my parents
said sorry to me was when they,after they, gave me like a
(30:41):
spanking.
Then my mom would say sorry,like you know, all of that is a
whole other conversation.
I know right, I was lucky, Iguess in a way, but it's the way
that I just hear myselfspeaking to her.
And then, obviously, when I'mwith my in-laws, the comments
are always a whole thing and itis sitting with the discomfort
(31:08):
and being able to then go and dosomething about it that is hard
for most people, like, nomatter what your age is, no
matter what generation it is,it's not fun to have to sit with
the discomfort of your childbringing something up in you and
nine times out of 10, it wasbasically your inner child at
(31:28):
that age who's come online andis looking for something from
you and you're reacting in theway that your parents reacted
towards you, which is probablynot healthy.
And then it's like this wholespiral if you're not aware of
the dynamics and you're just youknow you're kind of just like
in the same rhythm as yourparents were, or like you know
(31:51):
there's no awareness, and Ithink that's the first thing.
It is like the awareness ofyour child is going to trigger
you.
Nine times out of 10, if yourseven-year-old shows up and she
triggers you, yourseven-year-old will be the one
that's driving the bus or takingover, and so you need to check
yourself and it's not yourseven-year-old's fault that you
(32:14):
got activated, and I thinkthat's a big shift.
What I realized and I and I I'mseeing a little bit of this
where I think a lot of times inthe like healing world, people
try and say that you triggeredme and so you need to do
something different, or likeit's your fault.
I, yes, and it's so interestingbecause that is that that's not
(32:38):
how I believe it works at all,because your triggers are
opportunities for you toidentify where there's things
for you to work on internally.
And, yes, you can communicatethat and set a boundary, and if
someone loves you, they willrespect that boundary, and if
they don't, then that again it'syour responsibility to hold
your boundary.
And so it always comes back toself-responsibility every single
(33:03):
time.
And I think there is thisdisconnect sometimes when I
listen to people speak aboutlike in the healing realm of
like, don't you know, it'salmost like putting the onus on
someone else to like walk oneggshells.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
That's the that's.
Again, it's referring back tothat human, the human constructs
, right, like.
So there's a couple of thingshere that I'm saying.
So one thing I do want toaddress, um, which we were
mentioning before, is, um thisidea of not questioning things
fully, or or maybe does thatmean that we have to, like, I
(33:39):
still feel like there's anundertone within our I don't
know if it's the whole world,but definitely as Americans
undertone of um, okay, so thisperson, let's say that this
conversation is saying we're notquestioning things enough.
So how much do I have toquestion to get it right?
You know, like, how far do Ihave to go to be on the right
side?
Because that's on the wrongside, right, but that's not what
(34:01):
we're saying we're saying it'sjust a process, correct, and um
and and again.
It's that that.
It's that subconsciouspatterning or structure or
belief systems that say therehas to be a wrong and a right
and a right?
Yes, it doesn't have to be.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
No, there's no such thing as wrong or right.
It's all an experience.
Everything is neutral.
It's all like if you interactwith something that means that
your subconscious one createdthat two and your superconscious
provided the consent for thatto happen for you and not to you
, and so you have.
You're a sovereign being, soyou actually cannot give your
(34:44):
power away.
That is impossible.
Well, someone can't take yourpower away from you.
You are giving your power awayin every situation and it's hard
to hear because it's so easyfor us to step into the victim
role and especially if you havebig T trauma, it's so hard to
get to a point to realize thatthe horrible things that
(35:05):
happened to you there are.
There's a reason for that, andthat was you chose that path to
be able to learn something fromit.
But there isn't anything anyonecan do to you that you didn't
either co-create from asubconscious level and or agree
to from a super conscious level.
This is all your own.
(35:26):
We're all playing our ownlittle game and everything
around us we create, and youcan't abdicate your
responsibility to someone else.
But it's so hard to have thatconversation with people,
especially people who are justso used to being the victim and
wanting to blame others fortheir experiences.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Well, and it's perpetuated Like they were.
I mean, even as you weretalking, there was reminding me
of when I finally heard a phrasethat made sense.
So I mean, I I entertained, youknow, I read a couple of things
here there and I understood itand I got it all about talking
about empaths and you know youcan type in empath and get all
kinds of stuff on there and youknow what is an empath, how does
(36:10):
it work?
Okay, then they go shift toenergy vampires, okay, and that
is 100%, blank game, 100%.
So I finally heard somebody oneof my healers said there is no
energy vampire.
It's exactly what you just said, which is you are allowing that
person right, You're allowingthat experience for you to
(36:32):
essentially allow your energy togo out or deplete or shift or
whatever, and so you're still inownership.
So if you're the one who'sowning it, then you can just
stop that immediately.
You don't even have to reallydo anything.
You just that's it.
I'm done, but it's that youknow.
There was something else youwere saying that's reminding me
(36:52):
of this.
Well, you use the word newsseveral times.
So we're talking about, likethe way that things are
presented in the news.
It sensationalizes everything,yes, and not everything.
Well, not even not everything.
That is a human way of being.
That may make it feel like it'smore intense, but in reality
(37:13):
it's not.
It's the same thing.
Like it's more intense, but inreality it's not.
It's the same thing.
I mean even honestly, yesterday,the thing for me was last week
I started feeling quite a bitbetter with my elbows, and so
we're at like two months now,which is good, and yesterday my
arms were killing me like justhurt, woke me up at four o'clock
in the morning and then byabout seven o'clock somebody
(37:36):
asked me and I'm like, nope, ithurting since 7, 4, 30 this
morning, you know, and um, Irealized that it really comes
from me going back into thatsubconscious pattern, because
part of my lessons aboutbreaking my elbows is to stop
trying to do so many differentthings.
And I knew that that was likethe first thing, right.
(37:57):
But last week I found myself oh, I had this meeting and I had
this meeting and I saw thesepeople and I did this thing and
I could feel that, coming on,but how to know what to do
differently, that was adifferent thing.
So luckily I had a friend whosaid, hey, I'm sensing this
about you right now, Like, yeah,you're right, you a friend who
said hey, I'm sensing this aboutyou right now, like yeah,
(38:18):
you're right, you're exactlyright.
And then it just kind of came onand and, and we all have to
find our own way to shift it.
So, even though I've done allthe spiritual work, done all you
know for so long, here I am.
I just have the same situation.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
You still go back on those subconscious patterns yeah
, and it is just so, just havingso much compassion because,
again, if there was nothing morefor you to learn and experience
, you would not wake up in themorning, right?
So, like there's still not tosay that you know it's going to
continue to like be learning, or, like you know, I think a lot
of people have this like whenI'm going to be fully healed,
(38:51):
like when is this no longergoing to be a pattern?
When it's no longer a pattern,that's when, yeah, when,
whenever it's no longer apattern, it will stop being a
pattern.
That that is.
And and I think we, we, wedon't realize that.
I had a session this morningwith a client and we did some
big shifts and really like therewas a ton of parts that came up
(39:14):
, and so she was like but howdon't I?
I don't want to do this anymoreand I don't want to respond
this way anymore and I don'twant to continue this pattern.
How do I?
So what do I?
How do I not do that anymore?
And I'm like, well, for now,right now, what we're going to
do after the session is you'regoing to integrate.
Right now, what we're going todo after the session is you're
going to integrate and you'regoing to go outside and ask the
(39:38):
elementals to help you integrateall of the shifts and you're
going to wait because theuniverse and how energy works is
you have now shifted yourperspective, you have more
awareness about this pattern.
You are putting out there thevibration of I am no longer
(39:58):
going to give my power away.
There are going to beopportunities in your day, in
your week, probably, in thatlike not even right, like I
think if you're aware enough youcan see it immediately
Opportunities where you'll beable to put in practice this new
(40:19):
response or this newperspective.
And so the universe is an echo,right, it'll echo back to you
what you put out there.
So if you say, I have decided,and I have decided that I'm no
longer going to give away mypower, I am aware of this
pattern and I've integrated allof these parts.
(40:41):
We did all of this work.
Okay, so here are someopportunities for you to now.
It's basically like you'velearned for the test.
Now the test is coming andyou're going to have the
opportunity to respond in adifferent way.
You don't have to knowimmediately how to change your
(41:04):
response.
It's going to come into yourfield and there's going to be
opportunities, whether it's aperson in your life, whether
it's an opportunity for you tosay no where you normally would
have said yes.
That is how this works You'reco -creating from your
subconscious, and so we aremanifestors.
Regardless of, like peoplealways say oh, I need to learn
(41:26):
how to manifest, you are amanifestor.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
I'm doing it already.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
You're doing it.
You are a manifestation ofsource energy in physicality.
That in itself is manifesting.
So you don't need to learn howto manifest.
You need to learn how to stopsubconsciously manifesting and
start being more aware andconsciously being manifesting
and changing the neural pathwaysand the stories of what you're
(41:52):
putting out there and so.
So I was like, whenever ithappens, because it's going to
happen either today or this week, but we have, like Foxer, you
know as well in our container,let me know whenever something
comes along your field where youhave the opportunity to give
away a power or not give away apower, and that's how we change
(42:14):
our behavior.
It's not through like, andthat's why I feel like it's.
So that's where the like comingfull circle.
How we bring it into the.
The practical is bring it offof the mat.
Right, when you do you talkabout meditation and you talk to
yogis or you talk to buddhists,how do you bring?
(42:34):
Bring what your practice is onthe mat?
How do you bring it off of themat?
So, okay, you're channeling andyou're hearing all of these new
things, okay, so then, when yougo into your real life, how are
you going to implement thethings that you now know the new
perspective, the change inawareness, the stories.
How are you now going torespond differently?
(42:56):
And that's how you integrate,that's how you embody this new
quote-unquote version, which isbasically just more the version
of you who is not being blockedby.
You know the stories, the egoand all of that, and so it's.
It's not necessarily like this,like people always like can you
just tell me what I need to doand just tell me what are all
(43:19):
the things I need to do?
It's like life gives youopportunities to change your
response every minute of the day, and you can either be aware of
that and make an aware andconscious choice to no longer
respond in the same way, or youcan just continue doing the same
thing it's your choice.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Well, I think that's what you know.
When we first started talking,it was about like, where, where
are you sensing the energies now?
And I think that, yeah, speaksdirectly to what we're seeing,
not only out in the world, but Ithink we, as whatever you want
to call them healers,facilitators, activators,
whatever they are um, that'swhat we're seeing in the
(43:59):
collective is that we are nowall starting to walk with each
other and community, instead ofit being this other person, this
other theoretical energy.
This other is is the one who'sgoing to give me the answer.
But, in reality, you simply gotogether and you experience it
(44:20):
all together and give yourcomments about it and share and
support each other, and thentrigger one another.
And then you know, just say,just like before, get mad about
it and then be like okay, now amI going to act like I was
before, or am I going to realizethat I'm mad about it and then
be like okay, now am I going toact like I was before, or am I
going to realize that I'm madabout this because I'm mad about
something within me and am Igoing to do that shift, or am I
(44:42):
going to put that on the otherperson.
So it's just beautifulevolution from going outside of
the self to we're all kind ofrecognizing we have to go within
the self.
But now we're really looking atdoing it in community.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Exactly, that's such a big theme that I picked up on
at least of the last, even likein the last year, of like
community and coming togetherand reestablishing that felt
sense of being in community thatwe've lost as a society, but
(45:17):
especially even in this virtualcommunity, because this is
sometimes such a personalexperience going through, you
know, dark night of the soul,going through your awakenings.
It can be very isolating andbecause there weren't that many
people that could even create acommunity, you know, six, seven,
(45:40):
10 years ago now that morepeople even are coming out of
the woodwork of like oh, I, I, Isay the most crazy out there
thing, and someone's like, oh mygosh, I agree, and I'm like,
where'd you come from?
Great, we're friends, friendsnow, and you gotta just find
them all, like all kind ofsprinkled out around, um, and I
(46:03):
think now is the time for us tocome together, because I do
believe that we are made to bein community and made to be in
communal healing and to bring,like you know, one of us is like
powerful, but together we canbe so much more powerful and
alchemize just so much more andheal the earth, heal the like,
(46:27):
just heal everything ourselves.
Um, because I thinkrelationship is such an in
addition to like parenthood, butin other initiations, but
relationships are such a greatinitiation as well for for you
to be able to, like you said,mirror each other, trigger each
other, come back together.
Um, but finding that community,whether it's local, whether
(46:51):
it's online, I think it justadds another layer to your
spiritual practice and yourspiritual depth, where you can
be service to others, likeserving each other, whilst also
like holding space for oneanother, which I feel like I'm
seeing so many just like pop upall over my city online and it's
(47:15):
just so beautiful to see wherewe're coming together in such a
space.
That's not, and I really like.
When I walked away from thechurch, that was something that
I think a lot of people strugglewith, because that the church
does a lot of things, right orwrong, but the one thing it does
right is the community aspectof it right.
(47:37):
The aspect of understanding andrecognizing and really fostering
that sense of like belonging,um, in a very weirdly not
healthy way.
But underneath, underneath they, they identify, they recognize
the importance of humans beingum pack animals at the very
(47:59):
prime of nature.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah, no, I totally agree, and it's kind of funny
that's why I was laughing isthat that's actually the thing
that I disliked the most, and itwasn't the idea of community,
it was the way that it wasexecuted in my experiences, and
it had to do with the ego or themind taking too much precedence
.
So it was like you had to be inthe right clothes or you had to
(48:20):
say the right thing, whateverthose things are that are of the
superficial.
That's what I felt like wasdriving it.
I knew it wasn't, otherwise Iwouldn't have been there.
There are some parts where thecommunities in those groups are
in fact genuine, they're reallyconnecting on a spiritual level,
and those are great communitiesto be part of.
(48:40):
But it's almost like you haveto filter through all the rest
of it to be able to find that.
But I do feel like we definitelyare going that way as a, as a
species, and that's, I mean,that's that's the only way to go
.
I can't imagine going, I mean,the other.
To go the other way wouldessentially create Armageddon or
those things that we're talkingabout doom and gloom, where we
stop taking care of the earthentirely and then you know we
(49:03):
all die off or whatever.
But so there's this two.
You know like we can go whichway.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Exactly and we're hopefully not going that way.
Yeah, going that way.
Yeah we are.
We are headed in a directionand hopefully it is the right
one, or the the one of healingand the one of ascension, and
not the one of the planet beingcompletely destroyed, because
that's an option too.
Like you said, that that hashappened before on other planets
and I think a lot of peoplehave that in their soul, um
(49:33):
history of experiencing what itis like, and I think that's a
lot of people I speak to orstarseeds are like.
They don't necessarilyconsciously remember it, but
they can pick up on that.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
This behavior is going to go towards that.
Yeah, yeah.
Thanks for listening to thisepisode of mystical and and
Infamous Podcast with the HappyLion Center.
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