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Authenticity is the heartbeat of a fulfilling life, but what does it truly mean to live authentically? Imagine a world where experiences aren't labeled as good or bad, but as opportunities for growth. Join us in this episode of "Mystical and Infamous" as we explore how to connect with our hearts and perceive life in all its messy splendor. By shedding emotional attachments and societal pressures, we can embrace our individuality and weave our unique energy signatures into the vibrant tapestry of reality.
Our guest, an inspiring former hospital worker turned energy healer, Chris Fabish, shares a remarkable journey of embracing intuition and unconventional beliefs. We discuss the courage it takes to follow one's passions, even when they challenge societal norms. From extraterrestrials to reptilians, we touch on the expansive world of alternative beliefs and the importance of listening to our own excitement as a compass for personal purpose.
We also navigate the interplay of frequencies and energies that shape our reality. Boundaries and limitations aren't obstacles but tools for creative flow, allowing us to focus on what truly matters. With insights on reincarnation and karma, this episode offers guidance for those seeking authenticity in a world full of noise.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, this is Blair Stanislao with the Happy Lion
Center.
Welcome to our podcast,mystical and Infamous, where we
have playful and easyconversations about anything
mystical, getting to the heartof all things, strange and weird
.
Join us in a bit of magicaltomfoolery, spreading the
alchemy of love and light.
And now we invite you to enjoythe show and light.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
And now we invite you to enjoy the show.
When you're not in the heartand you're in the head, you
don't have a tendency to learn alot from things.
You just you start tocompartmentalize and say, oh,
that was good or that was bad.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Or you just thought what you've been told.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, when really in your heart there's no good or
bad, there's just experience.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yes, yeah, and we have experience because it's
there for us to learn fromsomething.
So, yeah, when really in yourheart there's no good or bad,
there's just experience.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, yeah, and we have experience because it's
there for us to learn fromsomething.
So so, from the heart, yourealize that, yeah, there are
times where you can feel a bituncomfortable, but there's
always something positive totake away from it, where, if
we're in the hymn, we'recompartmentalizing things, then
we get in the whole game that,oh, I'm having so many days that
more bad than good and all thissort of thing, but which isn't
(01:07):
just we're um losing the wholeconcept of the whole idea of
life from while we're here yeah,so that uh pulls to my
attention.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I didn't realize I was doing this when I was much
younger.
But, um, I have anundergraduate degree in art and
you have to go through thisthing they call critiques, which
which is you have an artproject, everybody does the same
art project, they do it intheir own way, and then you put
your artwork up in front of thegroup and then we talk about it.
Ok, and going through thatprocess, what you learn to do is
(01:39):
essentially distance yourselffrom whatever emotional
connection you have to thatpiece of artwork.
So, for me, I don't get myfeelings because of that
training.
I don't get my feelings hurtbecause somebody doesn't like my
piece of artwork.
I don't really care.
But that doesn't mean that Ican't hear what they have to say
about it, right, which canalways influence me always
(02:02):
influenced me and I feel likethat might be a skill that you
know, if we kind of.
you know, art is a vehicle to beable.
Visual arts are a vehicle tohave a conversation.
So, for example, one of thethings I noticed with people who
are not trained like that is ifI say to them what's going on,
(02:22):
what do you see?
Even if we're talking aboutsomething visual, they actually
have resistance to actuallysaying I see a big red circle in
the top, right, right, likethat feels weird to them because
that's objective description ofwhatever it is that they see.
And if you take that intoanother facet of the life, then
it feels like oh, now, I'm just.
(02:43):
It's kind of like you'rerestating am I seeing this?
Are you saying these words orare you?
Is this your behavior, thatyou're exhibiting that kind of
thing?
I kind of feel like if, ifthere was a way to present that
skill to everybody, to distanceyourself from it and just talk
about it objectively you know,if it's, if it's a red circle,
(03:07):
how do you feel about that redcircle circle?
Well, gee, I don't know how Ifeel it and then ask yourself
how you're feeling about the redcircle, instead of being
attached to.
What is this red circle andwhat does it mean?
And all of that.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I really feel like a lot of people can always consume
worry about what other people.
I really feel like a lot ofpeople are always concerned and
worried about what other peopleare going to say based on what
they say.
Right.
So where you?
Just which, I feel like, is arealisation that a lot of our
inner conflict is just based onnot being who we authentically
(03:41):
are right and just trusting thatand just which, from the mind,
a lot of people would perceiveas being selfish.
And I believe that everybodydeserves you know that person to
just be authentic.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Right, because for that peace, that is the piece in
the interpersonal experiences,that is the ignition for
whatever is it supposed to befor yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And also to accept people's indifferences, to
embrace uniqueness.
For me, and this is what Ipersonally feel, on a collective
level, humanity, there's toomuch conformity.
Conformity is not unity, right?
There's a difference betweenthat.
To realize that, as long asthat person feels at peace with
(04:48):
themselves because they'reembraced and trust authentically
who they are, that's what weshould be happy about,
especially in regards torelationships or just in the
family.
It's this aspect of I'm nothappy for that person because
they're doing what I wanted themto do.
I'm happy for that personbecause they're doing what I
wanted them to do.
I'm happy for that that personbecause they are exploring their
(05:08):
infinite potential of who theycan become and you see the
byproduct of it.
You see them smiling, you seethem radiant and and you're
happy for them for that.
You know so.
So it's that aspect of um,because I always say, well, my
soul always says that our soulis our unique energy signature
(05:30):
and that's not taking away that,the oneness that we're all
consciousness, we can allconnect like that.
It's more about, yeah, howwe've all got a fingerprint that
makes us uniquely who we are,right, and I love that aspect of
a fingerprint because when weopen our heart right and
facilitate what we authenticallyare, all authenticity is the
(05:51):
soul.
We then imprint our uniquenessonto reality.
That's how it should be rightto see you come.
Come back into the analogy ofwhat you're mentioning about art
.
Is that reality?
Is this empty canvas thatyou're here to imprint your
uniqueness on, and and not feelafraid or worried or concerned
what other people think inregards to doing that.
(06:13):
And I remember personally for mebecoming a healer.
I worked up at the hospital for12 years and a majority of my
friends online uh, facebookfriends were all like people
that work at the hospitaldoctors, nurses and so on and um
, but I was, you know, gettingmore into this energy game,
right, and I was workingbuilding up clientele while I
(06:33):
was still working at thehospital, um, and obviously
learned about nutrition,herbalism and supplementation
all these sorts of things alongthe way, and um, and I was
getting drawn into areas thatwere talking about ets, talking
about reptilians and talkingabout this stuff.
And I remember a discussionwith somebody who was also kind
(06:57):
of in that area of their life tobranch out into that kind of
realm and and and she goes areyou, are you a little bit scared
or worried what people aregoing to think of you when you
put posts and videos talkingabout this stuff?
And at that point in time Ijust completely embraced it, you
(07:17):
know, and and I was like again,cause I didn't worry, I wasn't
concerned about what theythought, I knew this was
connected to my authenticity andme becoming more of what I need
to be, and it excited me and Iwasn't going to douse out that
fire and that excitement basedon the worry or concern of what
(07:37):
people were going to say.
And as I did, that things justflourished where the person that
was also going to go into thatworld, who was a little bit
reserved about what other peoplethought nothing really happened
for her right Because, again,she didn't embrace the calling
of where did the path she neededto walk upon?
(07:58):
Simply because you were worriedand concerned of what other
people thought and also humanity, I, I think, with the
conformity aspect.
There's so many people that are.
I want to be like them and thekey is it's not about wanting to
be like someone, it's wantingto be you.
You know, and and and trustthat you have something that is
(08:19):
unique to you and a lot ofpeople quite often come to me in
sessions and go chris, I wantto know my purpose, I want to
know what I should be doing here, and of course, it's always
much more simple than what theythink or the stories or the
mentality aspect that they tryand fabricate and try and which
is specific, right, andcompartmentalize, which means
(08:42):
it's harder to reach right,because the way that they've put
it together like that and Isaid you know just simple cues,
what excites you, what makes youexcited to get out of bed in
the morning, what makes you feelpassionate about something, you
know, all these things that wegenerally want in life are again
(09:05):
discerned by how they feel, andthat's a very important
realization, because feel is thedomain of the heart, you see,
yeah, and the domain of, ofbeing in the head, in the mind.
So, and a lot of times you'reagain coming Again, coming back
to what I said before, you knowthat we can stay with what is by
(09:28):
feeling into our situation, butwhen we start to bring thought,
mentality into play, it nolonger is what is, what simply
was presented as it.
It now becomes something else.
And how that obviously happenswith our health problems, right,
what's going on in the body,but also in regards to purpose
(09:50):
and intuition, what we were justtalking about before is the
symptoms that are presented,which are generally what you
feel through the body.
Right is what is right.
That's the greatest discernmentdiagnostic you could have, that
.
But when we start to usethought and we start to, oh, I'm
(10:13):
going to look on Google, oh,that person had similar symptoms
to me and they had that.
But this person then said theyhad that All of a sudden we're
creating these variables.
Right, it could be that might bethat, maybe that, maybe that,
no, that, maybe that which thatdiscernment that you originally
got through the body wasn't that, it was simple, and now we've
made a complicated kind ofversion or reaction out of what
(10:36):
was felt.
So it's like a, a client willgo to me and they go oh, um, I,
I had to go to the doctor andit's like confession time.
And I had to go to the doctorand they did this blood work and
they did these scans and theywere just going to rattle
everything off.
(10:56):
And at that point I was likethis is numbers, this is
compartmentalization, this isthought trying to explain what
is felt, and they don't reallytranslate very well, right, how
we were talking about before.
Most people misinterpret andmisunderstand the body, and
that's why, but I just want tobring a realization to the
(11:18):
client.
I said this.
I said, yeah, I get that I'vekind of had to interrupt them
and I go what was your firstdiscernment, though?
Why did you go to the doctor?
I go I didn't feel very goodand I go, ah, feel Okay, and so
that brought a real realization,because they didn't look at it
(11:41):
like that.
They were like oh yeah, and I gowell, what the body wants you
to do, it wants to listen to you, it wants you to sit in your
heart and feel into thatsituation.
It wants you to feel into itbecause then it's like you're at
a table and you're supposed tospeak the same tongue.
You're having a greatconversation, that's all that
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needs to happen the majority ofthe time.
The same tongue, you're havinga great conversation.
That's all that needs to happenmajority of the time.
But our reaction is to jump inthe head, use thought, use
mentality, to then try andunderstand what is felt, and
that's where the confusion, themisinterpretation, the
misunderstanding is going on,because then we start to connect
what we experienced withsomething we've looked on the
(12:25):
internet or a thought processthat says it's this and and, and
we're bringing those twotogether when really this is not
part of the originaldiscernment that you had and
because we're powerful creators,we can start to create things
that we thought it was, but itactually originally wasn't so
(12:47):
something.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
There's a practice that I do and I teach to other
people, that that I hear iscoming through here, which is um
, you experience something withsomebody and I think our minds
become so strong that we tend to, like you said, essentially
there's a communication therewith feeling, but we're just
(13:09):
pushing it away and using ourmind.
But you have an interaction withsomeone and it doesn't feel
right, you don't like it, itbothers you somehow.
Okay, that the pride, thegeneral practice for most humans
is to then say, well, they didX, y, z or they, you know
something outside of me causedme to feel.
(13:30):
Well, that's not true, right,you only feel.
You feel that way.
That's all you can say.
You can't say where it camefrom or whatever, but you feel
that way.
But when you turn around andyou start looking at it as like,
okay, I feel that way, butagain, like you're saying, what
is the message behind that?
What is it that I need tounderstand?
And sometimes the answer isn't,for I found that sometimes the
(13:52):
answer isn't even you need tounderstand it or you need to do
something, it's just feel it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, just feel it, and then it disappears, right,
that's it, that's it A lot ofthe times disappears.
Right, that's it, that's it.
A lot of the times, a lot ofthe discernments we have is, you
know, a fail, safe to say?
Get back on track and just getback in the heart and feel it.
That's all we want you to do,right and um?
And a really importantrealization for a lot of people,
(14:24):
especially when they'rediscerning their experience,
which again goes back to whatwe're talking about right, using
the heart to get to the heartof the matter.
Right, to have understanding ofthe experience or just to feel
connected with it.
Yeah, let's use that word right, as you said before, don't need
to fully know all the ins andouts about it, just to feel
connected to it.
Right, so we're not feelinguneasy about it, just to feel,
(14:44):
feel connected to it.
Right, so it's not, we're notfeeling uneasy about it.
Um, is that, as a human, we'vebeen conditioned to really
understand reality based on whatwe see and what we think.
Right, a thought process, theanother expression right, to get
our head around what we see.
But the science shows that ourvisible sight is 0.0035% of the
(15:13):
electromagnetic spectrum oflight, and why I love to throw
it out there to people and sayit's a scientific fact, because
you know people will go oh, youknow where's the science behind
it.
Look it up, it's science, okay.
Where's the science behind it?
Look it up, it's science, okay.
It's coming from it Now andthere's a mentality that most
people hold on to Everyone does.
(15:36):
We all started from the samepoint, right as the human, in
the way that I'll say.
We were built as the human, ourcurriculum in becoming the
human and that was seeing isbelieving.
But if we're seeing 0.0035%representation of everything we
look at, how can we say thatseeing is believing?
(15:58):
So the thing is why I love thatis that there's a massive
limitation based on what we see.
Okay, now we can connect thatto, as you mentioned, dimensions
right, 1d, 2d, 3d, right and wecan't seem to break the ceiling
from 3D into the otherdimensions based on the sliver
(16:19):
of reality.
We see right, but we feel it.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
This is the important aspect, right?
So what I like to say is whyhave we got that belief, that
mentality seen as believing, ifthe science shows that it's not
even close to 1% of reality?
We see, and I ask the questionwhere did we get that from?
What is generally thecurriculum of becoming a human
built on Mind, thought,mentality, okay, so the mind
(16:46):
gave us that, or mentality gaveus that, so so that's out of
thought and that's what we see.
So, as a human generally, we useour limitation.
So what we felt found was what?
What doesn't have anylimitation and that's what you
feel, right.
So straight away we'll all of asudden say, okay, well, that
(17:08):
needs to be your primarydiscernment mode, is what you
feel, okay.
And then I go you might feellike you are limited in the
three-dimensional world and youmight say, okay with that, that
fact that I see 0.0035, but itdoesn't mean you feel everything
.
That's just in that sliver orjust in the 3D.
(17:31):
You're feeling everything inall dimensions and you're
feeling it in the completespectrum of the electromagnetic
spectrum.
Okay, and including andobviously there are some people
that can see energy fields inthose, but for a majority of
people, based on our limitationof visible sight, we can't see
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our energy field.
Now, this is where the role ofthe body comes in play, because
the role of the body is to letus know the state of the field
by how it presents symptoms, howwhat we feel through the body.
We can't see it, but we canfeel it right.
(18:13):
So the thing is, when the bodygives us some symptoms, right,
or expressions, really it'sgiving us an update of the state
of the field, becauseeverything's the origin, as I
say, is in the unseen, it'sbased in the field.
The effect will be experiencedthrough the body, but the cause
(18:34):
is in the field.
So so when the body gives offthese symptoms, it's not like we
shouldn't just get triggeredright and react to the symptom
or something's wrong.
It should be more about oh, I'mgetting symptoms of the body.
I should reassess am I in myheart?
Have I got my heart open?
Am I feeling into my situation?
(18:55):
Am I self-aware of where myattention's going?
How am I using my intention,which is how I use my energy?
That's where we should be going, because that's the baseline,
that's the cause aspect ofeverything.
Um, and and see that.
Oh, thank you, body right,because it's it's trying to get
you back on track.
That's really what it's tryingto do.
(19:16):
So, um, and the thing is over aperiod of time, right, if
you're not connecting into whatthe body's trying to say, it's
going to speak louder andobviously that experience for a
lot of people is worsening ofthe symptom, or more symptoms,
and from there perceiving fromhere, oh, my body's falling
(19:36):
apart.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Well, that's something that has been taught
to us.
I mean, I think that's a beliefstructure.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
It can fairly easily be like oh, like we can all
connect into.
We all taught that way, weren'twe?
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
yeah, but right.
But if we drop that part and weopen up to, if it's a, the
physical experience of what wehave going on is a, is a gauge,
a measurement of balance or whatall this stuff that we've been
talking about then we know thatthat's not necessarily the
limitation of the body, Meaningit's like it's got an.
(20:13):
I mean, I guess it does have anexpiry date.
Maybe that's what, right, butit's not that we have to like
we're headed down that way.
It's more of a.
You're a radio signal that'stuned into this.
You know, you're now hearingokay, this is what you need to
adjust.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
You make the adjustment and then you go back
to to being more balanced it'ssimply, you know, like what
we're hearing, it's frequency,it's energy that's unseen, it's
just that it gets converted intoa sound right what we see.
It's all frequency, really.
What in the unseen that?
That that gets converted intoan image based within that
(20:50):
0.0035.
So, so you know, everything isreally again originating in the
unseen.
Um, it's just that the way thatwe're trying to understand
what's in the unseen is based onthe way that we're trying to
understand what's in the unseenis based on the limitations.
(21:10):
That's based to the 3d, that'sconnected to the 0.0035, and so
on.
Uh, and hence this is why youknow a lot of sectors that you
know we can give the example ofin health that conventional
treatment is based on.
Conventional treatment is basedon a lack of knowing of the
cause and just working on effect.
(21:31):
Um, because, as humans, we'regenerally taught to embrace our
physicality, and not much morethan that right, which is that
sliver of of an understanding ofwho we are, and, and hence this
also breeds the greatest fearof all, and that is to lose your
physicality, which is death,because my identity is connected
(21:53):
to me being this physical thing.
So when I lose it, who am I?
What?
What happens?
Is that the end of everything?
So you know, so it's thisunderstanding that, um, I always
need to say to my clients yougoing back to what we said about
that cycle, whether it'sreincarnation or karma, right,
it gives you that extra chanceto learn right and to convert it
(22:16):
into wisdom.
Is that I'll say to them?
I said you've got forever ifyou want it right.
If you don't learn it now,you'll get another opportunity.
If you don't learn it now,you'll get another opportunity.
If you don't learn in thislifetime, you'll get another
lifetime.
So why so much fear about dying?
You know so.
(22:37):
So you know there's a mean,these means out there that talk
about.
You know, a lot of people arenever really living.
Yeah, because they're alwaysconcerned or worried about the
things.
That takes that away.
Or they believe what they needis in the future, where the
future is an illusion becauseeverything's the now, because
(22:58):
the future is merely a byproductof your choices that you make,
not in the future, not in thepast.
In the now.
It's a bit like people they'rea bit guilty of it in the future
, not in the past than the now.
Uh, it's a bit like, you know,people, they're a bit guilty of
it.
In the spiritual world, right is, is this aspect very much
connected to ascension?
Right, where there's theseprophecies, it's like, oh, it's
coming or it's it's 10 years.
(23:20):
This is going to happen and I'mlike, no, that's an illusion.
Life is now and also, if youwant that to happen in five
years, it's based on the choicesyou make.
Not waiting in five years, butright now.
You know so and also you know,when we start to look into
(23:42):
people's futures, it's like,well, there's infinite timelines
, infinite pathways that peoplecould go on, so, but at the end
of the day, it's based on thechoice that they make now, which
path they're going to walk upon.
So, again, it always comes backto the now.
So it's the same with evenhealth problems, like people go.
I've had this issue for 10years and I go.
(24:04):
But you should be arepresentation of the infinite
now.
So why are you a representationof your past?
It means that you're carryingit all right and, as I said
before, our purpose of beinghere is not to carry anything.
It's to have experience,converting the wisdom and let it
(24:24):
go right yeah that If we can'tconvert it into wisdom.
It's still not about holding onto it.
It's about not gripping yourteeth onto something and it gets
so full on and you get sofixated about it that it becomes
corrosive to you.
It's a realization that, okay,even if I don't fully understand
(24:46):
what it's all about, the longerI hold on to it, the more
opportunity I'm going to be ableto learn more experience.
So you let it go and and itwill come up again to give you
another chance which is actually, I think, the foundation of
what energy work is.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, all helping people to do that, yeah yeah,
yeah, very much so I have onemore question and then I'm gonna
I'm gonna end it there and Idon't know if we'll include this
.
I feel like this is sort of off, but I'm not sure.
So, interest, this is just anobservation, um, especially
because I came from thebackground of doing artwork,
(25:23):
okay, and so when you're givenyou're, you're in a class and
they give you a project, andthey give you a project, usually
they give you some kind oflimitation in the sense that you
need to use this material, orit has to be this size or
whatever.
And, um, I didn't realize untilactually I think it was after
my husband died that I realizedthat the, the um, what I wanted
(25:48):
my life to be.
I felt like it was.
I felt like I was at groundzero, like, yes, I have stuff
that's that I'm dealing with andI will continue to deal with,
but essentially I could make anychange I wanted to right now
and it could be anything that Iwant.
So then I went into that spaceand, um, I don't know, I think I
(26:09):
did eventually go into theheart space and that was much
more effective.
It was like, boom, there's theanswer, go there, right.
But when I was in the headspace.
It was, oh, I could do this andI could do this.
And then I even got excitedbecause that sounds like fun and
all this mental stuff, and whatI found was that became
absolutely overwhelming, like Ididn't know what to do or what
(26:30):
step to take or where I wantedto live or any of that.
And so what I one of theconclusions I came to is that
those limitations were actuallyhelpful in the sense that they
stop the mind from going quiteso far and it allows you to
(26:52):
create something even with alittle more freedom.
It's almost like just likedropping, like you were just
talking about.
Now, when you start torecognize that if you are
holding on to a past experience,whether you choose to convert
that or not, by holding onto it,you're causing it to stagnate
(27:12):
you or stagnate the energy orwhatever, and so it's causing
you issues, whereas when youstart to recognize that, then
you just drop it.
But dropping it dropping fearor dropping feelings around
whatever that is frees up somuch energy that you can then
put into creation of whatever itis you're creating.
That's right.
The same thing happens, I wouldsay, when you're limited.
(27:33):
You have a limitation for whatyou can create or what you want
to create.
If you have the rightlimitation, it allows the mind
to stop a little bit so that youhave you're dropping that
programming or the thoughtprocess that's causing you to be
stuck, and then you can expand.
(27:55):
So what do you?
What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
well, the thing is you're like, if you are holding
on to something, it means you'refeeding that your energy for it
to be there, right.
So, as you said, you knowmentioned about, all of a sudden
, when you drop that you've gotthis huge amount of energy
because it's now freed up foryou to use it in another
direction, right and another foranother outcome.
(28:18):
Um, also, another great analogyof that is, when we're holding
on to things, we create a dam toour own flow.
I love that analogy becausewe're constructing something,
we're creating something, butit's not promoting flow, it's
promoting a block or congestionobstruction.
(28:40):
So a lot of people that comeand see me and they go can you
look to see if I've got anyblocks or there's any blocks
they will always be bound orconnected to how they're
applying their own energy Right.
And recently I've been doingdaily reminder, little lives or
(29:02):
Facebook things on Facebook, andthe last one I talked about was
this aspect of being aware ofwhat you allow to influence you,
and what I really emphasize isthe word allow, because we've
got a lot more choices than whatwe believe okay.
(29:23):
So when we are talking aboutblocks or obstructions and what
we mentioned there before, youknow, as you said, you know
we've been going the mind thatsays we could do this.
It might be that maybe that wecould do that, do that.
It's, yes, it's.
It's creating, it's providingideas, it's providing concepts,
(29:45):
seeds that you can then feed toflourish, become part of your
creation.
But it's the process that thencreates the block or the
obstruction, right and, and weget conflicted out of it and
confused because it's like is itthis one or is it that one, or
it might be that one, it mightbe that one, and also it's not
(30:08):
cohesive because it's parts thatwe can't understand how we
connect them together to makethe whole okay.
So when I was talking about thisaspect of you know, being aware
of what you allow to influenceyou, is very much that it comes
back to the now, right?
Is that everything that youneed to know and understand is
(30:32):
right in front of you, righthere, right as I'm talking to
you right now.
That's all that I need to beaware of and know now.
That's all that I need to beaware of and know and and also
become very aware of informationthat's coming to you from out
here.
This way, of course, aschannelers, we're getting a lot
of information that comes fromwithin out, right?
(30:54):
So, um, and and I know there'sa lot of people that are
actually getting a lot ofinformation coming from within
them, but they always alloweverything outside of them to
supersede that, right, becausethat's just how we were
conditioned to take oninformation, right?
(31:16):
And so be very aware of what'screeping in, what's gaining your
attention, and so be very awareof what's creeping in, what's
gaining your attention, becauseif I've got two people in the
room and I'm looking this wayand they're looking that way and
they're going, wow, look atthat, what, what's happening
while I'm looking this way, it'snot part of my reality, part of
their reality.
But if I make the choice, Iallow the look over there, now
(31:38):
it becomes part of my reality.
And let's say, now it becomespart of my reality, and let's
say, when it becomes part of myreality, and then something
happens that then detrimentallyaffects me.
Was it because of that or wasit because of me?
It was because of me, right?
So, which is a veryenlightening and very empowering
realisation that actually wehave a lot of choices, and it's
(32:00):
also also, you know, we lookinto all sorts of things of
allowing, um, like I talkedabout spells, curses, hexes, all
these sorts of things.
I get people come to me, right,I'm getting spells, uh, from my
, my second cousin or orwhatever, and then they they
work in black magic and allsorts of things and I get it
(32:24):
from that level, but it stillrequires an acknowledgement of
your attention or intention toallow that spell to now
influence you.
Okay, so again, it's key wordof allowing these three heart
principles that we really workon a lot at, truly holistic,
(32:46):
which is that allow surrenderand forgive, which are very much
connected into your questionhere and connected to a lot of
stuff that we've talked about.
Where holding on to is theopposite to forgiving, because
forgiving is our ability to letthings go.
Okay, where a majority ofpeople up here they see
(33:09):
forgiveness as somethingpersonal, who am I forgiving?
That's what they'll always ask.
They'll go who?
Because I've got to make itspecific who am I forgiving?
And it's like no, it's notabout that, it's the power of
forgiveness, which is, again,just simply what it is is the
ability to let something go Now,surrender.
(33:30):
The opposite to that is control,right, which is that aspect of
being present or feeling theneed to be in control of
everything, which means we'relooking around the corner before
the now right, um, and thenallow instead of deny right,
which is this aspect that indenial, in denial or in denial,
(33:51):
we're just like we're lettingthings happen to us because we
believe life is about.
Life happens to us like I'vegot no choice in this.
This happens to me.
Where allow is thisunderstanding that actually no,
you've got the choice thateverything that you influence in
your experience, there is alevel of an allowing that's
(34:13):
connected there, right, and themore you become familiar to that
and self-aware of that, thenall of a sudden it's like what's
my infinite potential andcapability?
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Right and you start to take more responsibility, so
you have more responsibilityYou're allowing.
What are you allowing in andwhat are you not allowing in.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
And you're not getting into that whole thing.
Oh, this is bad luck, good bad.
Where we compartmentalizethings.
You stay in the heart and yourealize that actually into that
whole thing.
Oh, this is bad luck, good bad,where we compartmentalize thing
.
You stay in the heart, yourealize that actually it's just
experience.
I'm learning something from it.
You know that's what I'm hereto do, so, um, or here to be
probably so, so, yeah, so I hope.
I hope that kind of answeredyour question.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
There is, I was just curious, but you what you had to
say about that.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It was just an observation I made and yeah, for
me, the biggest, the biggestvisual analogy to that question
is is that whole aspect ofcrowding a dam?
You know, you kind of see thatbeaver that's generally stacks
and putting them together andand the more we hold on to
things, the more we add sticksto to that.
(35:23):
That then, uh, congestionblocks our flow.
And if I was to put one wordright at the top of the list
that's connected to ourspiritual journey, but also our
ability to be well and vital,the word would be flow, because
you know, being in the flow,right, going with the flow, is
(35:46):
directly connected to the statethe body is in, whether we have
flow or congestion.
So to you know, when we're inthe moment and being present, um
, and and also trust in theprocess, that we'll get the
guidance or intuition that isneeded for that moment and that
(36:09):
right in that time.
For me that's a the, thecomplete definition of what it
is to be in the flow, go withthe flow.
You know, just like, if you'reriding away, you know you could
fight it or you could justsurrender to it and allow it to
kind of take you where you needto go.
And you know this is where youknow a lot of my work.
(36:31):
We kind of really define whatit is to be, what you
authentically are as a soul andwhat we are with the
conditioning that we've taken onas the human, and that a lot of
the way that we've kind of beentaught, how we're taught, to
perceive and process realityneeds a drastic change.
(36:55):
Like, for example, you know, Ihad mentioned about mentality
earlier.
Like, for example, I hadmentioned about mentality
earlier, a lot of people,funnily enough, find this really
triggering or challenging tothem, and it's strange from my
perspective because it's sosimple.
(37:15):
But why I think that challengeis because it's to do with
mental health and mental illness.
But it's also the brush off istoo simple because, again up
here, if we've got mentalillness or mental health, that's
a person that uses mentality toperceive and process reality.
(37:38):
This is where the word mentalcomes from right.
So for them to equip anythingconnected to something simple is
very challenging for them oh,so, yeah, so you're saying
that's really part of the?
process.
That's the problem yeah, yeah,yeah so so.
So what I say and this is what Iwas mentioning about is you can
(38:01):
only have mental health problemor mental illness or just a
knowing that there is a sectorof mental health when you're an
individual that uses mentality.
Now, when we drop in the heart,which I like to call knowing
(38:24):
right, we don't use mentalityright.
So so for me, the abundance orepidemic of mental health
problems and mental illnessbecause even the numbers that
are shown about the epidemic ofmental illness a majority of
people don't get it clinicallydiagnosed, so it'd be way more
than what the numbers that we'regetting is a hint to tell us
(38:47):
that the way we perceive andprocess life doesn't support us.
Simple as that.
And and and then the simplefact that I just go hey, if we
learn to get in the heart and wedon't use mentality, you, you
can't have mental illness.
There's a lot of people outthere that just can't accept
that because it's like thatsounds too simple.
The thing is our resolution,our advancement.
(39:10):
Where we need to go is notthrough complexity.
That's the problem.
It's through simplicity.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Right, and that addresses what you and I were
talking about, actually, beforewe even started this recorded
conversation, which is, um, eventhis conversation itself.
A podcast where two people aretalking with language is still
entertaining.
The mind part yeah, it's stillthere, yeah, um and so part of
(39:37):
your experience, you know right,it's still, it's still there
and it's still there, yeah, um,and so it's still part of your
experience, you know right, it'sstill, it's still there and
it's valid.
That's why we're doing it.
But, um, but, a richer, fullerexperience would be more, more,
less, or I should say, less inthe mind, more in the experience
, so feeling the energy of doingsomething.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Very much so.
It's like AI.
Yes, again, let's give anexample of the complexity of how
we perceive AI and thesimplicity of it right From here
, with my important intelligencein AI.
(40:18):
Everyone sees it as atechnology, but it's not AT
artificial technology.
I'm sure it's called artificialintelligence, right.
So I always say to people thatit's not a technology.
As you see it from here, it'san intelligence, and at the
moment, what's the greatest fearabout AI that most people have
is that it's going to take over,because it's going to become
(40:40):
sentient, which means to becomeintelligent on its own.
Now, the thing is it is thatalready because it's an
artificial intelligence, andalso because I love to put
bright things in the simple,because we always jump the gun
too much and we go too far aboutthese things and we lose
ourselves and we lose any ideaor understanding of it.
(41:04):
Now I like to use an analogy.
When we go to a food storeright, we go to a grocery store
or go and get produce or food wetypically innately know that
it's healthy and more alignedwith the body to get natural
ingredients instead ofartificial ingredients.
So when is anything worked outfor us?
(41:25):
That's with the word associatedto artificial, and it's also
this understanding that's anartificial intelligence, not our
innate intelligence.
And the thing is why I believewe're like a dog flop on our
back, showing our belly, youknow, to ai is because we
(41:47):
haven't even explored theinfinite potential capability of
what our innate intelligence is, which is what I'd like to call
as our soul, which is more of a.
It's facilitated through theheart, and why we haven't
explored it enough?
Because we've been toomind-orientated as a species.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Well, even the visuals affirm that, because if
you look at them, even if theymake something magnificent and
beautiful, what you have to dois look at the little person, or
the hands, or the feet, or the.
You know one little detail andyou're like, you know, that's,
that's AI.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
And also and also you know, because AI you know
seeping in the art world,seeping into the music world,
all these areas.
And if we look at it, know, and, as you say, you can pick up
our cues and I'm sure that willget even more refined.
And then people are like Idon't even know what's real,
what's not, which is yeah theydon't tune in right yeah, I
(42:52):
think.
I think that's going tochallenge.
There's going to be a goodthing to it and I believe that
the more we get into ai, it'sgonna make people more
conflicted about what's real,what's not, and I think it's
gonna come to a point wheresomething has to be done about
that, right?
Um, of course, they're lookingat how ai can make things more
(43:13):
convenient, because it reallythat's what it's bringing forth
more convenience, uh, and inregards to advancement.
But I feel like there is goingto be an ethical aspect that
will come up with it.
And, of course, when you see,you know they say, oh, we can
turn photos into someone movingaround like the alive again.
(43:34):
But you look at their eyes yeah,it's not hard and, as I say,
coming back to that discernment,right, if we look at, if even
they refine everything reallywell and it looks real, still we
only see 0.0035% of reality.
When we connect into feel,which connects into everything,
(43:54):
there's no soul.
Ai is soulless.
Okay, so and what does ourheart do?
What does feel?
Do connect into what is real?
The expression keep it real,keeping it real is connecting in
a discernment that doesn't seea sliver or a part of reality.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
It sees everything, it feels everything, and when we
get in our heart and we look atthat as ai stuff, it doesn't
feel right because it's soullessyeah, yeah yeah, so so it's
this aspect of, and I feel likethe more we go into ai, the more
it disconnects us from ourauthenticity, because the
(44:37):
authenticity of ourselves is thesoul yeah, I honestly think
it's very similar to the um, theconcept of the pendulum, back
to that, uh, the idea of aspectrum, right, and so the
pendulum is swinging towards onearea, and I think what will
happen is as we start to see, aswe that that specific area,
(45:01):
which in this case is just AIright, start to swing that way
and see it more clearly, we'regoing to start to see more
clearly that it is not, it hasno soul and it's not aligned
with us, and so then we willnaturally start to go back and
we'll find, find balance again.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, and a lot of AI is based on algorithm, and
algorithm is based onprobability, right, and it's not
possibility.
And where I connect this withhumans, because we can, when we
(45:42):
get more mentality driven andmore allowed, because mentality
allows our past to influence ourchoice of the now and our
choice of the now creates thefuture.
So how that becomes a repeatingloop is because our future
becomes more of our past, rightNow.
That's based on probability,because ai is basing the
(46:04):
probability of this happeningbased on what's happened before,
right, so it's very muchconnected into that whole
mentality wheel.
When we get in our heart, it'snot about probability, it's
about opening ourselves up toinfinite possibility, which for
me, is forging new ground,evolving change, right?
(46:28):
So so the thing, the thing isalways saying my clients are
saying, if we want to reallybreak the reason down your head,
you want change, that's whatyou want.
There's something about yourlife that you don't want anymore
.
You want change.
And I say your process and howyou perceive and process reality
day to day has to change if youwant to see the change.
(46:52):
If it doesn't, you won't seethe change, you won't experience
the change, right, because alot of people, when it comes to,
I just want to be healed.
I want to.
I want to keep living the wayI'm living, I'll keep making the
same choices I'm making, but Ijust want to get rid of this
problem so I don't have to dealwith it.
But the issue with that isthey're bought into an idea of
(47:16):
fake healing.
It's not even real, becausethat's that's modern medicine
stuff.
Right, because what medicinehas said take a pill which numbs
the symptom, which is theexpression of the body, oh look,
it's gone.
No, it's not.
That's the effect, it's stillthe course.
So it's, it's again, it's it's,it's understanding.
(47:36):
It's this understanding thatthe most powerful momentum of
making that change and healingis that individual themselves.
And they have to use a processthat supports that change, which
is flow, right, flow meanschange.
(47:57):
If there's a lack of flow, it'sgoing to be a lack of change.
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
And now we invite you to enjoy the show.
When you're not in the heartand you're in the head, you
don't have a tendency to learn alot from things.
You just you start tocompartmentalize and say, oh,
that was good or that was bad.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Or you just thought what you've been told.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, when really in your heart there's no good or
bad, there's just experience.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yes, yeah, and we have experience because it's
there for us to learn fromsomething.
So, yeah, when really in yourheart there's no good or bad,
there's just experience.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, yeah, and we have experience because it's
there for us to learn fromsomething.
So so, from the heart, yourealize that, yeah, there are
times where you can feel a bituncomfortable, but there's
always something positive totake away from it, where, if
we're in the hymn, we'recompartmentalizing things, then
we get in the whole game that,oh, I'm having so many days that
more bad than good and all thissort of thing, but which isn't
(01:07):
just we're um losing the wholeconcept of the whole idea of
life from while we're here yeah,so that uh pulls to my
attention.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I didn't realize I was doing this when I was much
younger.
But, um, I have anundergraduate degree in art and
you have to go through thisthing they call critiques, which
which is you have an artproject, everybody does the same
art project, they do it intheir own way, and then you put
your artwork up in front of thegroup and then we talk about it.
Ok, and going through thatprocess, what you learn to do is
(01:39):
essentially distance yourselffrom whatever emotional
connection you have to thatpiece of artwork.
So, for me, I don't get myfeelings because of that
training.
I don't get my feelings hurtbecause somebody doesn't like my
piece of artwork.
I don't really care.
But that doesn't mean that Ican't hear what they have to say
about it, right, which canalways influence me always
(02:02):
influenced me and I feel likethat might be a skill that you
know, if we kind of.
you know, art is a vehicle to beable.
Visual arts are a vehicle tohave a conversation.
So, for example, one of thethings I noticed with people who
are not trained like that is ifI say to them what's going on,
(02:22):
what do you see?
Even if we're talking aboutsomething visual, they actually
have resistance to actuallysaying I see a big red circle in
the top, right, right, likethat feels weird to them because
that's objective description ofwhatever it is that they see.
And if you take that intoanother facet of the life, then
it feels like oh, now, I'm just.
(02:43):
It's kind of like you'rerestating am I seeing this?
Are you saying these words orare you?
Is this your behavior, thatyou're exhibiting that kind of
thing?
I kind of feel like if, ifthere was a way to present that
skill to everybody, to distanceyourself from it and just talk
about it objectively you know,if it's, if it's a red circle,
(03:07):
how do you feel about that redcircle circle?
Well, gee, I don't know how Ifeel it and then ask yourself
how you're feeling about the redcircle, instead of being
attached to.
What is this red circle andwhat does it mean?
And all of that.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I really feel like a lot of people can always consume
worry about what other people.
I really feel like a lot ofpeople are always concerned and
worried about what other peopleare going to say based on what
they say.
Right.
So where you?
Just which, I feel like, is arealisation that a lot of our
inner conflict is just based onnot being who we authentically
(03:41):
are right and just trusting thatand just which, from the mind,
a lot of people would perceiveas being selfish.
And I believe that everybodydeserves you know that person to
just be authentic.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Right, because for that peace, that is the piece in
the interpersonal experiences,that is the ignition for
whatever is it supposed to befor yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And also to accept people's indifferences, to
embrace uniqueness.
For me, and this is what Ipersonally feel, on a collective
level, humanity, there's toomuch conformity.
Conformity is not unity, right?
There's a difference betweenthat.
To realize that, as long asthat person feels at peace with
(04:48):
themselves because they'reembraced and trust authentically
who they are, that's what weshould be happy about,
especially in regards torelationships or just in the
family.
It's this aspect of I'm nothappy for that person because
they're doing what I wanted themto do.
I'm happy for that personbecause they're doing what I
wanted them to do.
I'm happy for that that personbecause they are exploring their
(05:08):
infinite potential of who theycan become and you see the
byproduct of it.
You see them smiling, you seethem radiant and and you're
happy for them for that.
You know so.
So it's that aspect of um,because I always say, well, my
soul always says that our soulis our unique energy signature
(05:30):
and that's not taking away that,the oneness that we're all
consciousness, we can allconnect like that.
It's more about, yeah, howwe've all got a fingerprint that
makes us uniquely who we are,right, and I love that aspect of
a fingerprint because when weopen our heart right and
facilitate what we authenticallyare, all authenticity is the
(05:51):
soul.
We then imprint our uniquenessonto reality.
That's how it should be rightto see you come.
Come back into the analogy ofwhat you're mentioning about art
.
Is that reality?
Is this empty canvas thatyou're here to imprint your
uniqueness on, and and not feelafraid or worried or concerned
what other people think inregards to doing that.
(06:13):
And I remember personally for mebecoming a healer.
I worked up at the hospital for12 years and a majority of my
friends online uh, facebookfriends were all like people
that work at the hospitaldoctors, nurses and so on and um
, but I was, you know, gettingmore into this energy game,
right, and I was workingbuilding up clientele while I
(06:33):
was still working at thehospital, um, and obviously
learned about nutrition,herbalism and supplementation
all these sorts of things alongthe way, and um, and I was
getting drawn into areas thatwere talking about ets, talking
about reptilians and talkingabout this stuff.
And I remember a discussionwith somebody who was also kind
(06:57):
of in that area of their life tobranch out into that kind of
realm and and and she goes areyou, are you a little bit scared
or worried what people aregoing to think of you when you
put posts and videos talkingabout this stuff?
And at that point in time Ijust completely embraced it, you
(07:17):
know, and and I was like again,cause I didn't worry, I wasn't
concerned about what theythought, I knew this was
connected to my authenticity andme becoming more of what I need
to be, and it excited me and Iwasn't going to douse out that
fire and that excitement basedon the worry or concern of what
(07:37):
people were going to say.
And as I did, that things justflourished where the person that
was also going to go into thatworld, who was a little bit
reserved about what other peoplethought nothing really happened
for her right Because, again,she didn't embrace the calling
of where did the path she neededto walk upon?
(07:58):
Simply because you were worriedand concerned of what other
people thought and also humanity, I, I think, with the
conformity aspect.
There's so many people that are.
I want to be like them and thekey is it's not about wanting to
be like someone, it's wantingto be you.
You know, and and and trustthat you have something that is
(08:19):
unique to you and a lot ofpeople quite often come to me in
sessions and go chris, I wantto know my purpose, I want to
know what I should be doing here, and of course, it's always
much more simple than what theythink or the stories or the
mentality aspect that they tryand fabricate and try and which
is specific, right, andcompartmentalize, which means
(08:42):
it's harder to reach right,because the way that they've put
it together like that and Isaid you know just simple cues,
what excites you, what makes youexcited to get out of bed in
the morning, what makes you feelpassionate about something, you
know, all these things that wegenerally want in life are again
(09:05):
discerned by how they feel, andthat's a very important
realization, because feel is thedomain of the heart, you see,
yeah, and the domain of, ofbeing in the head, in the mind.
So, and a lot of times you'reagain coming Again, coming back
to what I said before, you knowthat we can stay with what is by
(09:28):
feeling into our situation, butwhen we start to bring thought,
mentality into play, it nolonger is what is, what simply
was presented as it.
It now becomes something else.
And how that obviously happenswith our health problems, right,
what's going on in the body,but also in regards to purpose
(09:50):
and intuition, what we were justtalking about before is the
symptoms that are presented,which are generally what you
feel through the body.
Right is what is right.
That's the greatest discernmentdiagnostic you could have, that
.
But when we start to usethought and we start to, oh, I'm
(10:13):
going to look on Google, oh,that person had similar symptoms
to me and they had that.
But this person then said theyhad that All of a sudden we're
creating these variables.
Right, it could be that might bethat, maybe that, maybe that,
no, that, maybe that which thatdiscernment that you originally
got through the body wasn't that, it was simple, and now we've
made a complicated kind ofversion or reaction out of what
(10:36):
was felt.
So it's like a, a client willgo to me and they go oh, um, I,
I had to go to the doctor andit's like confession time.
And I had to go to the doctorand they did this blood work and
they did these scans and theywere just going to rattle
everything off.
(10:56):
And at that point I was likethis is numbers, this is
compartmentalization, this isthought trying to explain what
is felt, and they don't reallytranslate very well, right, how
we were talking about before.
Most people misinterpret andmisunderstand the body, and
that's why, but I just want tobring a realization to the
(11:18):
client.
I said this.
I said, yeah, I get that I'vekind of had to interrupt them
and I go what was your firstdiscernment, though?
Why did you go to the doctor?
I go I didn't feel very goodand I go, ah, feel Okay, and so
that brought a real realization,because they didn't look at it
(11:41):
like that.
They were like oh yeah, and I gowell, what the body wants you
to do, it wants to listen to you, it wants you to sit in your
heart and feel into thatsituation.
It wants you to feel into itbecause then it's like you're at
a table and you're supposed tospeak the same tongue.
You're having a greatconversation, that's all that
(12:03):
needs to happen the majority ofthe time.
The same tongue, you're havinga great conversation.
That's all that needs to happenmajority of the time.
But our reaction is to jump inthe head, use thought, use
mentality, to then try andunderstand what is felt, and
that's where the confusion, themisinterpretation, the
misunderstanding is going on,because then we start to connect
what we experienced withsomething we've looked on the
(12:25):
internet or a thought processthat says it's this and and, and
we're bringing those twotogether when really this is not
part of the originaldiscernment that you had and
because we're powerful creators,we can start to create things
that we thought it was, but itactually originally wasn't so
(12:47):
something.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
There's a practice that I do and I teach to other
people, that that I hear iscoming through here, which is um
, you experience something withsomebody and I think our minds
become so strong that we tend to, like you said, essentially
there's a communication therewith feeling, but we're just
(13:09):
pushing it away and using ourmind.
But you have an interaction withsomeone and it doesn't feel
right, you don't like it, itbothers you somehow.
Okay, that the pride, thegeneral practice for most humans
is to then say, well, they didX, y, z or they, you know
something outside of me causedme to feel.
(13:30):
Well, that's not true, right,you only feel.
You feel that way.
That's all you can say.
You can't say where it camefrom or whatever, but you feel
that way.
But when you turn around andyou start looking at it as like,
okay, I feel that way, butagain, like you're saying, what
is the message behind that?
What is it that I need tounderstand?
And sometimes the answer isn't,for I found that sometimes the
(13:52):
answer isn't even you need tounderstand it or you need to do
something, it's just feel it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, just feel it, and then it disappears, right,
that's it, that's it A lot ofthe times disappears.
Right, that's it, that's it.
A lot of the times, a lot ofthe discernments we have is, you
know, a fail, safe to say?
Get back on track and just getback in the heart and feel it.
That's all we want you to do,right and um?
And a really importantrealization for a lot of people,
(14:24):
especially when they'rediscerning their experience,
which again goes back to whatwe're talking about right, using
the heart to get to the heartof the matter.
Right, to have understanding ofthe experience or just to feel
connected with it.
Yeah, let's use that word right, as you said before, don't need
to fully know all the ins andouts about it, just to feel
connected to it.
Right, so we're not feelinguneasy about it, just to feel,
(14:44):
feel connected to it.
Right, so it's not, we're notfeeling uneasy about it.
Um, is that, as a human, we'vebeen conditioned to really
understand reality based on whatwe see and what we think.
Right, a thought process, theanother expression right, to get
our head around what we see.
But the science shows that ourvisible sight is 0.0035% of the
(15:13):
electromagnetic spectrum oflight, and why I love to throw
it out there to people and sayit's a scientific fact, because
you know people will go oh, youknow where's the science behind
it.
Look it up, it's science, okay.
Where's the science behind it?
Look it up, it's science, okay.
It's coming from it Now andthere's a mentality that most
people hold on to Everyone does.
(15:36):
We all started from the samepoint, right as the human, in
the way that I'll say.
We were built as the human, ourcurriculum in becoming the
human and that was seeing isbelieving.
But if we're seeing 0.0035%representation of everything we
look at, how can we say thatseeing is believing?
(15:58):
So the thing is why I love thatis that there's a massive
limitation based on what we see.
Okay, now we can connect thatto, as you mentioned, dimensions
right, 1d, 2d, 3d, right and wecan't seem to break the ceiling
from 3D into the otherdimensions based on the sliver
(16:19):
of reality.
We see right, but we feel it.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
This is the important aspect, right?
So what I like to say is whyhave we got that belief, that
mentality seen as believing, ifthe science shows that it's not
even close to 1% of reality?
We see, and I ask the questionwhere did we get that from?
What is generally thecurriculum of becoming a human
built on Mind, thought,mentality, okay, so the mind
(16:46):
gave us that, or mentality gaveus that, so so that's out of
thought and that's what we see.
So, as a human generally, we useour limitation.
So what we felt found was what?
What doesn't have anylimitation and that's what you
feel, right.
So straight away we'll all of asudden say, okay, well, that
(17:08):
needs to be your primarydiscernment mode, is what you
feel, okay.
And then I go you might feellike you are limited in the
three-dimensional world and youmight say, okay with that, that
fact that I see 0.0035, but itdoesn't mean you feel everything
.
That's just in that sliver orjust in the 3D.
(17:31):
You're feeling everything inall dimensions and you're
feeling it in the completespectrum of the electromagnetic
spectrum.
Okay, and including andobviously there are some people
that can see energy fields inthose, but for a majority of
people, based on our limitationof visible sight, we can't see
(17:53):
our energy field.
Now, this is where the role ofthe body comes in play, because
the role of the body is to letus know the state of the field
by how it presents symptoms, howwhat we feel through the body.
We can't see it, but we canfeel it right.
(18:13):
So the thing is, when the bodygives us some symptoms, right,
or expressions, really it'sgiving us an update of the state
of the field, becauseeverything's the origin, as I
say, is in the unseen, it'sbased in the field.
The effect will be experiencedthrough the body, but the cause
(18:34):
is in the field.
So so when the body gives offthese symptoms, it's not like we
shouldn't just get triggeredright and react to the symptom
or something's wrong.
It should be more about oh, I'mgetting symptoms of the body.
I should reassess am I in myheart?
Have I got my heart open?
Am I feeling into my situation?
(18:55):
Am I self-aware of where myattention's going?
How am I using my intention,which is how I use my energy?
That's where we should be going, because that's the baseline,
that's the cause aspect ofeverything.
Um, and and see that.
Oh, thank you, body right,because it's it's trying to get
you back on track.
That's really what it's tryingto do.
(19:16):
So, um, and the thing is over aperiod of time, right, if
you're not connecting into whatthe body's trying to say, it's
going to speak louder andobviously that experience for a
lot of people is worsening ofthe symptom, or more symptoms,
and from there perceiving fromhere, oh, my body's falling
(19:36):
apart.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Well, that's something that has been taught
to us.
I mean, I think that's a beliefstructure.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
It can fairly easily be like oh, like we can all
connect into.
We all taught that way, weren'twe?
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
yeah, but right.
But if we drop that part and weopen up to, if it's a, the
physical experience of what wehave going on is a, is a gauge,
a measurement of balance or whatall this stuff that we've been
talking about then we know thatthat's not necessarily the
limitation of the body, Meaningit's like it's got an.
(20:13):
I mean, I guess it does have anexpiry date.
Maybe that's what, right, butit's not that we have to like
we're headed down that way.
It's more of a.
You're a radio signal that'stuned into this.
You know, you're now hearingokay, this is what you need to
adjust.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
You make the adjustment and then you go back
to to being more balanced it'ssimply, you know, like what
we're hearing, it's frequency,it's energy that's unseen, it's
just that it gets converted intoa sound right what we see.
It's all frequency, really.
What in the unseen that?
That that gets converted intoan image based within that
(20:50):
0.0035.
So, so you know, everything isreally again originating in the
unseen.
Um, it's just that the way thatwe're trying to understand
what's in the unseen is based onthe way that we're trying to
understand what's in the unseenis based on the limitations.
(21:10):
That's based to the 3d, that'sconnected to the 0.0035, and so
on.
Uh, and hence this is why youknow a lot of sectors that you
know we can give the example ofin health that conventional
treatment is based on.
Conventional treatment is basedon a lack of knowing of the
cause and just working on effect.
(21:31):
Um, because, as humans, we'regenerally taught to embrace our
physicality, and not much morethan that right, which is that
sliver of of an understanding ofwho we are, and, and hence this
also breeds the greatest fearof all, and that is to lose your
physicality, which is death,because my identity is connected
(21:53):
to me being this physical thing.
So when I lose it, who am I?
What?
What happens?
Is that the end of everything?
So you know, so it's thisunderstanding that, um, I always
need to say to my clients yougoing back to what we said about
that cycle, whether it'sreincarnation or karma, right,
it gives you that extra chanceto learn right and to convert it
(22:16):
into wisdom.
Is that I'll say to them?
I said you've got forever ifyou want it right.
If you don't learn it now,you'll get another opportunity.
If you don't learn it now,you'll get another opportunity.
If you don't learn in thislifetime, you'll get another
lifetime.
So why so much fear about dying?
You know so.
(22:37):
So you know there's a mean,these means out there that talk
about.
You know, a lot of people arenever really living.
Yeah, because they're alwaysconcerned or worried about the
things.
That takes that away.
Or they believe what they needis in the future, where the
future is an illusion becauseeverything's the now, because
(22:58):
the future is merely a byproductof your choices that you make,
not in the future, not in thepast.
In the now.
It's a bit like people they'rea bit guilty of it in the future
, not in the past than the now.
Uh, it's a bit like, you know,people, they're a bit guilty of
it.
In the spiritual world, right is, is this aspect very much
connected to ascension?
Right, where there's theseprophecies, it's like, oh, it's
coming or it's it's 10 years.
(23:20):
This is going to happen and I'mlike, no, that's an illusion.
Life is now and also, if youwant that to happen in five
years, it's based on the choicesyou make.
Not waiting in five years, butright now.
You know so and also you know,when we start to look into
(23:42):
people's futures, it's like,well, there's infinite timelines
, infinite pathways that peoplecould go on, so, but at the end
of the day, it's based on thechoice that they make now, which
path they're going to walk upon.
So, again, it always comes backto the now.
So it's the same with evenhealth problems, like people go.
I've had this issue for 10years and I go.
(24:04):
But you should be arepresentation of the infinite
now.
So why are you a representationof your past?
It means that you're carryingit all right and, as I said
before, our purpose of beinghere is not to carry anything.
It's to have experience,converting the wisdom and let it
(24:24):
go right yeah that If we can'tconvert it into wisdom.
It's still not about holding onto it.
It's about not gripping yourteeth onto something and it gets
so full on and you get sofixated about it that it becomes
corrosive to you.
It's a realization that, okay,even if I don't fully understand
(24:46):
what it's all about, the longerI hold on to it, the more
opportunity I'm going to be ableto learn more experience.
So you let it go and and itwill come up again to give you
another chance which is actually, I think, the foundation of
what energy work is.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, all helping people to do that, yeah yeah,
yeah, very much so I have onemore question and then I'm gonna
I'm gonna end it there and Idon't know if we'll include this
.
I feel like this is sort of off, but I'm not sure.
So, interest, this is just anobservation, um, especially
because I came from thebackground of doing artwork,
(25:23):
okay, and so when you're givenyou're, you're in a class and
they give you a project, andthey give you a project, usually
they give you some kind oflimitation in the sense that you
need to use this material, orit has to be this size or
whatever.
And, um, I didn't realize untilactually I think it was after
my husband died that I realizedthat the, the um, what I wanted
(25:48):
my life to be.
I felt like it was.
I felt like I was at groundzero, like, yes, I have stuff
that's that I'm dealing with andI will continue to deal with,
but essentially I could make anychange I wanted to right now
and it could be anything that Iwant.
So then I went into that spaceand, um, I don't know, I think I
(26:09):
did eventually go into theheart space and that was much
more effective.
It was like, boom, there's theanswer, go there, right.
But when I was in the headspace.
It was, oh, I could do this andI could do this.
And then I even got excitedbecause that sounds like fun and
all this mental stuff, and whatI found was that became
absolutely overwhelming, like Ididn't know what to do or what
(26:30):
step to take or where I wantedto live or any of that.
And so what I one of theconclusions I came to is that
those limitations were actuallyhelpful in the sense that they
stop the mind from going quiteso far and it allows you to
(26:52):
create something even with alittle more freedom.
It's almost like just likedropping, like you were just
talking about.
Now, when you start torecognize that if you are
holding on to a past experience,whether you choose to convert
that or not, by holding onto it,you're causing it to stagnate
(27:12):
you or stagnate the energy orwhatever, and so it's causing
you issues, whereas when youstart to recognize that, then
you just drop it.
But dropping it dropping fearor dropping feelings around
whatever that is frees up somuch energy that you can then
put into creation of whatever itis you're creating.
That's right.
The same thing happens, I wouldsay, when you're limited.
(27:33):
You have a limitation for whatyou can create or what you want
to create.
If you have the rightlimitation, it allows the mind
to stop a little bit so that youhave you're dropping that
programming or the thoughtprocess that's causing you to be
stuck, and then you can expand.
(27:55):
So what do you?
What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
well, the thing is you're like, if you are holding
on to something, it means you'refeeding that your energy for it
to be there, right.
So, as you said, you knowmentioned about, all of a sudden
, when you drop that you've gotthis huge amount of energy
because it's now freed up foryou to use it in another
direction, right and another foranother outcome.
(28:18):
Um, also, another great analogyof that is, when we're holding
on to things, we create a dam toour own flow.
I love that analogy becausewe're constructing something,
we're creating something, butit's not promoting flow, it's
promoting a block or congestionobstruction.
(28:40):
So a lot of people that comeand see me and they go can you
look to see if I've got anyblocks or there's any blocks
they will always be bound orconnected to how they're
applying their own energy Right.
And recently I've been doingdaily reminder, little lives or
(29:02):
Facebook things on Facebook, andthe last one I talked about was
this aspect of being aware ofwhat you allow to influence you,
and what I really emphasize isthe word allow, because we've
got a lot more choices than whatwe believe okay.
(29:23):
So when we are talking aboutblocks or obstructions and what
we mentioned there before, youknow, as you said, you know
we've been going the mind thatsays we could do this.
It might be that maybe that wecould do that, do that.
It's, yes, it's.
It's creating, it's providingideas, it's providing concepts,
(29:45):
seeds that you can then feed toflourish, become part of your
creation.
But it's the process that thencreates the block or the
obstruction, right and, and weget conflicted out of it and
confused because it's like is itthis one or is it that one, or
it might be that one, it mightbe that one, and also it's not
(30:08):
cohesive because it's parts thatwe can't understand how we
connect them together to makethe whole okay.
So when I was talking about thisaspect of you know, being aware
of what you allow to influenceyou, is very much that it comes
back to the now, right?
Is that everything that youneed to know and understand is
(30:32):
right in front of you, righthere, right as I'm talking to
you right now.
That's all that I need to beaware of and know now.
That's all that I need to beaware of and know and and also
become very aware of informationthat's coming to you from out
here.
This way, of course, aschannelers, we're getting a lot
of information that comes fromwithin out, right?
(30:54):
So, um, and and I know there'sa lot of people that are
actually getting a lot ofinformation coming from within
them, but they always alloweverything outside of them to
supersede that, right, becausethat's just how we were
conditioned to take oninformation, right?
(31:16):
And so be very aware of what'screeping in, what's gaining your
attention, and so be very awareof what's creeping in, what's
gaining your attention, becauseif I've got two people in the
room and I'm looking this wayand they're looking that way and
they're going, wow, look atthat, what, what's happening
while I'm looking this way, it'snot part of my reality, part of
their reality.
But if I make the choice, Iallow the look over there, now
(31:38):
it becomes part of my reality.
And let's say, now it becomespart of my reality, and let's
say, when it becomes part of myreality, and then something
happens that then detrimentallyaffects me.
Was it because of that or wasit because of me?
It was because of me, right?
So, which is a veryenlightening and very empowering
realisation that actually wehave a lot of choices, and it's
(32:00):
also also, you know, we lookinto all sorts of things of
allowing, um, like I talkedabout spells, curses, hexes, all
these sorts of things.
I get people come to me, right,I'm getting spells, uh, from my
, my second cousin or orwhatever, and then they they
work in black magic and allsorts of things and I get it
(32:24):
from that level, but it stillrequires an acknowledgement of
your attention or intention toallow that spell to now
influence you.
Okay, so again, it's key wordof allowing these three heart
principles that we really workon a lot at, truly holistic,
(32:46):
which is that allow surrenderand forgive, which are very much
connected into your questionhere and connected to a lot of
stuff that we've talked about.
Where holding on to is theopposite to forgiving, because
forgiving is our ability to letthings go.
Okay, where a majority ofpeople up here they see
(33:09):
forgiveness as somethingpersonal, who am I forgiving?
That's what they'll always ask.
They'll go who?
Because I've got to make itspecific who am I forgiving?
And it's like no, it's notabout that, it's the power of
forgiveness, which is, again,just simply what it is is the
ability to let something go Now,surrender.
(33:30):
The opposite to that is control,right, which is that aspect of
being present or feeling theneed to be in control of
everything, which means we'relooking around the corner before
the now right, um, and thenallow instead of deny right,
which is this aspect that indenial, in denial or in denial,
(33:51):
we're just like we're lettingthings happen to us because we
believe life is about.
Life happens to us like I'vegot no choice in this.
This happens to me.
Where allow is thisunderstanding that actually no,
you've got the choice thateverything that you influence in
your experience, there is alevel of an allowing that's
(34:13):
connected there, right, and themore you become familiar to that
and self-aware of that, thenall of a sudden it's like what's
my infinite potential andcapability?
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Right and you start to take more responsibility, so
you have more responsibilityYou're allowing.
What are you allowing in andwhat are you not allowing in.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
And you're not getting into that whole thing.
Oh, this is bad luck, good bad.
Where we compartmentalizethings.
You stay in the heart and yourealize that actually into that
whole thing.
Oh, this is bad luck, good bad,where we compartmentalize thing
.
You stay in the heart, yourealize that actually it's just
experience.
I'm learning something from it.
You know that's what I'm hereto do, so, um, or here to be
probably so, so, yeah, so I hope.
I hope that kind of answeredyour question.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
There is, I was just curious, but you what you had to
say about that.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It was just an observation I made and yeah, for
me, the biggest, the biggestvisual analogy to that question
is is that whole aspect ofcrowding a dam?
You know, you kind of see thatbeaver that's generally stacks
and putting them together andand the more we hold on to
things, the more we add sticksto to that.
(35:23):
That then, uh, congestionblocks our flow.
And if I was to put one wordright at the top of the list
that's connected to ourspiritual journey, but also our
ability to be well and vital,the word would be flow, because
you know, being in the flow,right, going with the flow, is
(35:46):
directly connected to the statethe body is in, whether we have
flow or congestion.
So to you know, when we're inthe moment and being present, um
, and and also trust in theprocess, that we'll get the
guidance or intuition that isneeded for that moment and that
(36:09):
right in that time.
For me that's a the, thecomplete definition of what it
is to be in the flow, go withthe flow.
You know, just like, if you'reriding away, you know you could
fight it or you could justsurrender to it and allow it to
kind of take you where you needto go.
And you know this is where youknow a lot of my work.
(36:31):
We kind of really define whatit is to be, what you
authentically are as a soul andwhat we are with the
conditioning that we've taken onas the human, and that a lot of
the way that we've kind of beentaught, how we're taught, to
perceive and process realityneeds a drastic change.
(36:55):
Like, for example, you know, Ihad mentioned about mentality
earlier.
Like, for example, I hadmentioned about mentality
earlier, a lot of people,funnily enough, find this really
triggering or challenging tothem, and it's strange from my
perspective because it's sosimple.
(37:15):
But why I think that challengeis because it's to do with
mental health and mental illness.
But it's also the brush off istoo simple because, again up
here, if we've got mentalillness or mental health, that's
a person that uses mentality toperceive and process reality.
(37:38):
This is where the word mentalcomes from right.
So for them to equip anythingconnected to something simple is
very challenging for them oh,so, yeah, so you're saying
that's really part of the?
process.
That's the problem yeah, yeah,yeah so so.
So what I say and this is what Iwas mentioning about is you can
(38:01):
only have mental health problemor mental illness or just a
knowing that there is a sectorof mental health when you're an
individual that uses mentality.
Now, when we drop in the heart,which I like to call knowing
(38:24):
right, we don't use mentalityright.
So so for me, the abundance orepidemic of mental health
problems and mental illnessbecause even the numbers that
are shown about the epidemic ofmental illness a majority of
people don't get it clinicallydiagnosed, so it'd be way more
than what the numbers that we'regetting is a hint to tell us
(38:47):
that the way we perceive andprocess life doesn't support us.
Simple as that.
And and and then the simplefact that I just go hey, if we
learn to get in the heart and wedon't use mentality, you, you
can't have mental illness.
There's a lot of people outthere that just can't accept
that because it's like thatsounds too simple.
The thing is our resolution,our advancement.
(39:10):
Where we need to go is notthrough complexity.
That's the problem.
It's through simplicity.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Right, and that addresses what you and I were
talking about, actually, beforewe even started this recorded
conversation, which is, um, eventhis conversation itself.
A podcast where two people aretalking with language is still
entertaining.
The mind part yeah, it's stillthere, yeah, um and so part of
(39:37):
your experience, you know right,it's still, it's still there
and it's still there, yeah, um,and so it's still part of your
experience, you know right, it'sstill, it's still there and
it's valid.
That's why we're doing it.
But, um, but, a richer, fullerexperience would be more, more,
less, or I should say, less inthe mind, more in the experience
, so feeling the energy of doingsomething.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Very much so.
It's like AI.
Yes, again, let's give anexample of the complexity of how
we perceive AI and thesimplicity of it right From here
, with my important intelligencein AI.
(40:18):
Everyone sees it as atechnology, but it's not AT
artificial technology.
I'm sure it's called artificialintelligence, right.
So I always say to people thatit's not a technology.
As you see it from here, it'san intelligence, and at the
moment, what's the greatest fearabout AI that most people have
is that it's going to take over,because it's going to become
(40:40):
sentient, which means to becomeintelligent on its own.
Now, the thing is it is thatalready because it's an
artificial intelligence, andalso because I love to put
bright things in the simple,because we always jump the gun
too much and we go too far aboutthese things and we lose
ourselves and we lose any ideaor understanding of it.
(41:04):
Now I like to use an analogy.
When we go to a food storeright, we go to a grocery store
or go and get produce or food wetypically innately know that
it's healthy and more alignedwith the body to get natural
ingredients instead ofartificial ingredients.
So when is anything worked outfor us?
(41:25):
That's with the word associatedto artificial, and it's also
this understanding that's anartificial intelligence, not our
innate intelligence.
And the thing is why I believewe're like a dog flop on our
back, showing our belly, youknow, to ai is because we
(41:47):
haven't even explored theinfinite potential capability of
what our innate intelligence is, which is what I'd like to call
as our soul, which is more of a.
It's facilitated through theheart, and why we haven't
explored it enough?
Because we've been toomind-orientated as a species.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Well, even the visuals affirm that, because if
you look at them, even if theymake something magnificent and
beautiful, what you have to dois look at the little person, or
the hands, or the feet, or the.
You know one little detail andyou're like, you know, that's,
that's AI.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
And also and also you know, because AI you know
seeping in the art world,seeping into the music world,
all these areas.
And if we look at it, know, and, as you say, you can pick up
our cues and I'm sure that willget even more refined.
And then people are like Idon't even know what's real,
what's not, which is yeah theydon't tune in right yeah, I
(42:52):
think.
I think that's going tochallenge.
There's going to be a goodthing to it and I believe that
the more we get into ai, it'sgonna make people more
conflicted about what's real,what's not, and I think it's
gonna come to a point wheresomething has to be done about
that, right?
Um, of course, they're lookingat how ai can make things more
(43:13):
convenient, because it reallythat's what it's bringing forth
more convenience, uh, and inregards to advancement.
But I feel like there is goingto be an ethical aspect that
will come up with it.
And, of course, when you see,you know they say, oh, we can
turn photos into someone movingaround like the alive again.
(43:34):
But you look at their eyes yeah,it's not hard and, as I say,
coming back to that discernment,right, if we look at, if even
they refine everything reallywell and it looks real, still we
only see 0.0035% of reality.
When we connect into feel,which connects into everything,
(43:54):
there's no soul.
Ai is soulless.
Okay, so and what does ourheart do?
What does feel?
Do connect into what is real?
The expression keep it real,keeping it real is connecting in
a discernment that doesn't seea sliver or a part of reality.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
It sees everything, it feels everything, and when we
get in our heart and we look atthat as ai stuff, it doesn't
feel right because it's soullessyeah, yeah yeah, so so it's
this aspect of, and I feel likethe more we go into ai, the more
it disconnects us from ourauthenticity, because the
(44:37):
authenticity of ourselves is thesoul yeah, I honestly think
it's very similar to the um, theconcept of the pendulum, back
to that, uh, the idea of aspectrum, right, and so the
pendulum is swinging towards onearea, and I think what will
happen is as we start to see, aswe that that specific area,
(45:01):
which in this case is just AIright, start to swing that way
and see it more clearly, we'regoing to start to see more
clearly that it is not, it hasno soul and it's not aligned
with us, and so then we willnaturally start to go back and
we'll find, find balance again.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, and a lot of AI is based on algorithm, and
algorithm is based onprobability, right, and it's not
possibility.
And where I connect this withhumans, because we can, when we
(45:42):
get more mentality driven andmore allowed, because mentality
allows our past to influence ourchoice of the now and our
choice of the now creates thefuture.
So how that becomes a repeatingloop is because our future
becomes more of our past, rightNow.
That's based on probability,because ai is basing the
(46:04):
probability of this happeningbased on what's happened before,
right, so it's very muchconnected into that whole
mentality wheel.
When we get in our heart, it'snot about probability, it's
about opening ourselves up toinfinite possibility, which for
me, is forging new ground,evolving change, right?
(46:28):
So so the thing, the thing isalways saying my clients are
saying, if we want to reallybreak the reason down your head,
you want change, that's whatyou want.
There's something about yourlife that you don't want anymore
.
You want change.
And I say your process and howyou perceive and process reality
day to day has to change if youwant to see the change.
(46:52):
If it doesn't, you won't seethe change, you won't experience
the change, right, because alot of people, when it comes to,
I just want to be healed.
I want to.
I want to keep living the wayI'm living, I'll keep making the
same choices I'm making, but Ijust want to get rid of this
problem so I don't have to dealwith it.
But the issue with that isthey're bought into an idea of
(47:16):
fake healing.
It's not even real, becausethat's that's modern medicine
stuff.
Right, because what medicinehas said take a pill which numbs
the symptom, which is theexpression of the body, oh look,
it's gone.
No, it's not.
That's the effect, it's stillthe course.
So it's, it's again, it's it's,it's understanding.
(47:36):
It's this understanding thatthe most powerful momentum of
making that change and healingis that individual themselves.
And they have to use a processthat supports that change, which
is flow, right, flow meanschange.
(47:57):
If there's a lack of flow, it'sgoing to be a lack of change.
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