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In this episode Blaire Stanislao & Kathie Malby unravel the power of intention and its profound impact on emotional and physical health. Inspired by the wisdom of Marcus Borg, Richard Rohr & William Rand, we reflect on how spiritual upbringing shapes individual beliefs, and share intimate experiences with a mystical African American rabbi in Louisiana who seamlessly blends Kabbalah, chakras, and ancient healing practices. This episode promises a wealth of spiritual insights, practical advice, and a deep dive into the mystical aspects of healing and self-discovery.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, this is Blair Stanislao with the Happy Lion
Center.
Welcome to our podcast,mystical and Infamous, where we
have playful and easyconversations about anything
mystical, getting to the heartof all things, strange and weird
.
Join us in a bit of magicaltomfoolery, spreading the
alchemy of love and light.
And now we invite you to enjoythe show and light.
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And now we invite you to enjoythe show.
The foundation of we talkedabout already.
Like yes, the found, you know,reiki is the foundation, but you
and I come from a place wherewe've been doing Reiki for a
long time.
Oh yeah, so we were justtalking about a client of mine
who I was trying to feel outwhere she was on the spectrum of
(00:48):
, for a very poor term, thewoo-woo, right, like the idea of
the spiritual, like where can I?
What language can I use?
So you'll understand?
And her first response was shewas very into the angelic realms
and and then the thing that shesaid that made it certainly
gives me a lot of informationwas oh, I, I've taken Reiki, you
(01:10):
know I, you know I, I learnedReiki and and the way she talked
about it I was like, okay, soshe gets Reiki, she totally gets
Reiki, she's been instructed init, um, which means she gets a
lot of these ideas right.
But the and that of course gaveme an understanding of where to
go with the words to talk to her, um, but we were just
(01:30):
mentioning that.
You know it is, it is a doorway, but it's not.
I don't know.
I don't think people understandthe importance of it, because
the way that, at least if it wasdone through the icrt, with
william rand stuff, yeah, and Idon't know anything about any of
the other ones, so I can't sayyay or nay, but I know that
through the william rand stuff,uh, the foundation, the way it's
(01:52):
presented, is totally done withcomplete and total love
absolutely openness, and so whenit's presented to them, it it's
almost like like we createthese.
We experience situations wherewe should uh, you, you have a
(02:13):
relationship where you think youmight be loved, like by your
mother or your father orwhatever, and you don't have
that experience.
And, for example, for me, oneof the things that I mixed the
meanings was love andresponsibility.
Well, they're not at alltogether, they are two separate
concepts, and so what they didis taint my image or
(02:35):
understanding of love, and I'vehad to work to release that,
whereas not that I was done withmalintent, but the mixing of
the ideas kind of um muddies thewater, so to speak, whereas
they.
I find that the reiki teachingsreally do not muddy the water.
They're very clear about whatit is and what it isn't, and
(02:56):
it's presented in a very lovingway.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yes, so the person is open yeah, and and given a lot
of options that you don't haveto do everything, but it's like
a smorgasbord of things for aparticular time or a particular
person or a particular day, andyou can.
(03:20):
You know, maybe you need to dosome kind of inner healing, or
maybe you need a physicalhealing, or you need to approach
someone with an attitude offorgiveness, which is the
deepest form of love there isand it's the hardest one to get
to.
I think that it's really.
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I think the work of WilliamRand to bring it to the Western
thinking has done phenomenalwork.
Perhaps we need to be with ourspirit guides, maybe we need to
be alone with the person, maybetheir spirit guides show up and
being sensitive to all of thatis about loving that person and
respecting that person, but alsoourselves as practitioners too,
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and doing that is probably thehardest because we don't pay
attention to it when we'regiving, giving, giving well,
yeah, we don't notice that.
Well, because most people who dothat have that tendency right
to give I, I think I don't thinkthere's anyone who who works in
the energy field that doesn'tget have to get reminded take
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care of yourself.
But what does it mean?
On any given day it's adifferent thing.
It's just that we have thesecues like with you it's a
headache, with me it'll be a gutache, but right now it has to
do with with these other goofythings I have going on in my
body.
And right now, for me as apractitioner, I am having to
(04:58):
face my own physical body.
I never have.
It's all about healing her in away that I can age gracefully.
I need to be able to agegracefully so I can serve others
.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It's interesting you say that because that makes me
think back.
So I was just thinking myhusband just said to me last
night, because I had theheadache that we mentioned, I
worked with somebody and I cameout of that and I had a headache
.
So that's how we kind ofstarted on this.
But, um, I mentioned that tohim and he says, uh, don't you
think maybe essentially, youtake too many supplements?
(05:38):
And I was like, yeah, you know,there are times that I think I
do take too many supplements andbut now I've gotten better at
actually, when I'm opening thebottles like there's one, I say
I've been taking chlorella for awhile and uh, it's still in the
bag that I have where I haveall the ones I'm taking.
And for the last three weeks,every time I pick up the bottle,
(06:00):
I hear no, like it's just no,so then I just put it back down.
It's no big deal, but I'vegotten better about being in
tune with that.
And um, the what you're talkingabout there takes me back to, um
, honestly, like childhood,because we were mentioning
(06:22):
before, when I was probably atime like 33 or possibly 35.
I had very little informationthat something I was doing
specifically that was talkingabout what's in my diet, did I
realize that something wasbothering me, because I had
always eaten those things, likeI never noticed that there was
(06:45):
an issue, because if I had anissue it was there all the time
and there was.
That was like my standard, likethe, the regular level, and, um,
I kind of wonder, like,actually today I got gas and I
put in the gas and as soon asyou know now, because we can't
(07:07):
possibly sit around with nothinggoing on they have a TV on the
gas pump, right, yes, it turnsonto this garbage that's on
there, right.
And then I heard this womanwhoever might've been the new
dose, I don't know who it was uh, says I think she said it was
Dr, somebody said, and then itwas like taking time for
yourself, taking time toappreciate things you want.
(07:29):
And then I it's funny becauseof course it's in words too it
says, like you know, makerituals out of whatever and do
self care practices, which, hey,it's way in the mainstream now,
right, but what, like you said,what are those self-care
practices and what do they looklike for everybody?
And how do we?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
because I think they can be so small and I think that
we have them and we don't dothem with intention.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You know, intention, intention, intention, it is
everything when it comes tohaving healing of any kind.
When we set an intention and wenot so much um ocd on the thing
, we choose it as a decision,then all your feelings follow.
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If, if our issues are housedwithin the emotional package
that we have, then it seemsreasonable that we have to do
these intentions to activate thegood that we're seeking, and
(08:38):
it's not going to happen all atonce.
The first time I remember oh,yay I remembered and I don't
remember for a month.
You know, oh, I forgot aboutthat one, um, but I think when
we put that intention to it, itdoesn't matter how small the
thing is.
Yeah, it's going to changesomething that we need to have
(08:59):
changed yeah, totally so couldbe.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Uh, really, I mean anything.
I mean I think even if you justtake the time to not talk, like
I, really I do better when Idon't talk in the morning for a
while oh, it's enjoyable to, tomake that.
But then when that, when it'slike it feels like it's taken
from you, like you have acircumstance where you have to
(09:25):
talk and you know, I try not toalways younger, I used to get
really angry about it, but trynot to dwell on that too much
but it does kind of feel like oh, this is taking away my time,
you know, for the quiet, I know,but my other people talking
like they can, most of the timethey can talk whatever they want
to, but I just don't want to beinvolved in it.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, like they can, most of the time, they can talk
whatever they want to, but Ijust don't want to be involved
in it.
Yeah, I get it, I really do.
Um, I've been reading, I juststarted this.
These, these two books are byby a guy who, um, who passed
away, I think in 2015, 15 and hewas like in his 70s and he is.
He is the guru for um,educating people about jesus,
(10:12):
and, and it's throughexperiential experiences and he
does a whole list in this one,this, uh, the god we never knew,
beyond, beyond dogmaticreligion, to a more authentic
contemporary faith.
Now, I haven't known about Borg.
Marcus Borg I've known aboutbecause he is a, a theologian of
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the Anglican tradition and I'm,you know, roman Catholic
Catholic, so my emphasis hasalways been Roman Catholic,
which takes in Richard Rohr.
He's, he's the guy that I go toand I'm taking a class from him
right now, anyway, um, you knowhe's Catholic, so I I go there,
(10:57):
but he's saying the same thingas Borg.
Oh, yeah, and and the.
The reason they dovetail isbecause these are things that
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human beings know about and howit can differ from one person to
another, with the last onebeing just a simple little
things in our life that we don'tpay attention to, that are part
of the messages that we get andwe act on or we deny them.
(11:40):
There's so much of that.
Oh, yeah, well, everybody doesthat.
Yeah, that's not a big deal.
Oh, if that's your connectionto the other side and the help
that you can receive, you betthey do.
Um, yeah, I think back on mymom.
My mom was a, an angry woman, adepressed woman.
She, she raised 11 kids.
(12:02):
Good lord know who wouldn't beangry.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Tiring at the minimum , yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
At the very least.
Anyway, she was very we wouldcall it religious, but all of us
kids in the family understoodthat she had her own form of
Roman Catholicism.
But I know now that the thingsthat I have going on and the
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kinds of things that have beenin me all my life, that I
respond to, I know now wherethey come from and I am very
confident about them and I don'tcare whether somebody else
believes them or not.
They work, work for me andthey're very intentional.
Now, my mom would have neveracknowledged anything like that.
It would have been sinful forher to do that, to equate
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herself with oh, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Well, that's some of that's the dogma.
So you said it was five things,or is it five pages?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Five pages of different things.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Can you summarize them?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I can take a quick look here.
I just thought they werefascinating.
And this isn't even telling youall that he writes about,
because it's a definition withall of them, which I think is
fantastic.
Because it's a definition withall of them, which I think is
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fantastic.
And I only dovetail with thisbecause of the things we're
talking about, with things likeheadaches or stomach aches or
hour session that we've had toheal from a fight we've had with
a friend to get past afrustration with the person that
was in line at the bank.
You know it goes on and on, butthese are clues as to how we're
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helped in our life, clues as tohow we're helped in our life.
Now he's a Jesus person, so heteaches scripture, but it was
interesting to me that his lastyears were taught at Oregon
State University.
He taught at Moorhead andanother one, another theological
one, but he ends up teaching inphilosophy.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
In the Oregon State University.
Yes, so kind of I thought, ohhe's out there.
Anyway, it says the storiesabout Moses' experience of the
sacred, the call stories of theprophets and the story of Jesus
all speak of people who knew thesacred, and that's what he
refers to, these events of beingthe sacred.
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For them, the sacred was anelement of experience, not
simply an article of belief.
That's a huge difference.
His emphasis is about god.
Some people would refer tobuddha I'm just going to use god
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as, because that's his term andit's a term I'm familiar with,
but it can mean these otherfaith traditions that aren't
Christian and their founders,almost all of them, have had
these very spiritual and dynamicexperiences.
So it says that God is notsimply somewhere else but also
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right here.
So one and the same, andsometimes occurring
spontaneously, thesenon-ordinary states can also be
entered through ritualizedmeanings and spiritual
disciplines, and I know that canbe true with people who do
retreats.
That all of a sudden and Ithink that's one of the
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beautiful things with Reiki andthe William Rand work is that
you can go to one of these andall of a sudden it's like a new
paradigm or there's a shift inthe paradigm we have.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
So I want to say so, the way that you're describing
it there.
I mean, I don't have the bookin front of me, but going
through what I'm going throughright now, learning what I'm
learning, going through what I'mgoing through right now,
learning what I'm learning, Isee that very similar to these
terms that people will use thatare connected to clairvoyance of
(16:33):
some on some level.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Right, one of the ones he was connected to, to
source it's.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
how are you connecting to spirit?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yes and so.
Yeah, and talking about theseecstatic experiences, that's one
of the ones where you hear oryou see, and it's outside of you
.
I mean it's huge.
It's these big, big experiencesthat happen.
People who have themconsistently say they involve a
(17:05):
knowing and not simply a feeling.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You know, and it doesn't matter what other people
think, because you know and youdon't have to convince or
defend, you just know.
Visions are a vivid experienceof momentarily seeing into
another layer or level ofreality.
And then there is the shaman,or the shamanic experiences.
(17:30):
In that case the shamanrepresents the people and
intercedes for them throughdifferent kinds of clairvoyance,
divination, things like that,and that serves the people.
And mystical experiencesinvolve ecstatic states of
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consciousness in which one isvividly aware of the presence of
God.
There's just times people justknow, oh, and it puts you back,
because you're just kind oftaken aback.
Mystical experiences have beendivided into two major types.
These are names, one's X andone's N.
(18:13):
So let's just put it that way,like extrovert and introvert
that's not the words, but that'slike that.
And so you can have outsideexperience, meaning your eyes
are open and you are totallyaware of something happening.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
It's a landscape.
It is transformed and infusedwith light or subfused with
light, as illuminated fromwithin or behind, and I know
I've experienced those.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I was talking about seeing auras.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yes, for people that do see them, yes, it can be that
it can also just be a personalexperience.
I remember one time I'd hadthis huge awakening within and I
just looked outside my windowand the sky was bluer than it
had ever been, the garden wasgreener than it had ever been
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and the joy within me justwelled up and I had to run
outside and run through thegarden and just be present to
nature.
So that's, that's one of those,yeah, kind of experiences, um,
and you can have them closed andthat would take in the
visualizations and and thosekinds of things that were led in
(19:28):
where we get that aha, thathappens to us.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
The closed he's talking about is kind of like
within the, not necessarilywithin the body, but kind of
internal.
It's an internal reflection.
The X is actually, whether itcould be the physical world or
you just know it's outside ofyou.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, it's outside of you but your eyes are open when
it happens.
You don't have to always haveyour eyes closed for these
things to happen.
And then they talk about thesoul may experience itself
ascending to God.
Mystics speak of bothcataphatic images and
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extroverted mystical experiences.
The boundary of the selfbecomes very soft and may even
disappear, so that oneexperiences communion or union
with the sacred.
And I know there are people whohave out-of-body experiences.
I met one, you know, I used togo to AA and there was a woman
who who was earned her living asa poker player Fascinating
(20:32):
people in AA, they really are,they're of every walk and she
said she could drive and shecould lift herself out of her
body driving down the road andbe outside her body.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Oh, she actually kind of mastered going in and out.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, she figured it out and I I thought I don't
think I want to, I don't knowthat's really talking about
these.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
It really falls into that category of what, what we
refer to as psychic orparanormal kind of.
But but I like the way you'resaying that he says, uh,
essentially is, and you'resaying that even in the Bible
people acknowledge this assignificant connections.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Well, if you look at the prophets in the Hebrew
scriptures and that is notChristian but if you look at the
prophets there and the kinds ofthings they did, some were soft
and gentle and used greatmetaphor and others were tougher
than bootnails and some werejust outright cranky, you know,
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and they were all used by thesacred to To lead their people
in a right direction and thepeople were expected to go in a
certain way.
And the people were expected togo in a certain way and when
they would get off course, oneof these guys would pop up.
And it's pretty cool when youread their stories.
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You know, I taught that when Iwas teaching in high school, in
the Catholic school, and Itaught Old Testament.
It was always called OldTestament, but it's really part
of Hebrew scripture that we keptjust part.
Their scriptures are huge andwe don't even begin to
understand the Judaic mind.
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And then I would teach theJesus message in the New
Testament and it was amazing tome when I was reading this book
(22:53):
how much he could pull out ofthe mysticism of if people would
read without looking for amessage to their whoever their
people were around them, if theycould stop long enough to not
defend the position and listento what really was being said.
It's it's a whole mysticalexperience of that human being
saying this is what I'm gettingfor all of us take it or leave
it, but if you do this, theseare the consequences.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
If you do this, these are the consequences, and
there's always consequences yeahit's about creating a world
because, uh, I know I don't knowwhat year was had to have been
before 2017, probably 2016, ish.
I was in louisiana and Iconnected with somebody who was
mystical, like this kind kind ofstuff, and we were just and I
(23:33):
we were hanging out, we weretrying to figure out how to like
really do what we're supposedto do and somehow she knew this
guy who was a.
He was a rabbi.
Okay, he was an AfricanAmerican rabbi and he and his
wife African American or AfricanJews when I was in Israel oh,
(23:55):
you did yeah in fact they.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
This one woman that we talked with, she kind of,
toward the end, kind of giggledand she said, you know, because
people were surprised they wereblack yeah, it was different
yeah and she laughed and shesaid but I didn't know they
looked like this, meaning all ofus.
You know cause people?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
were surprised.
They were black, yeah, it wasdifferent, yeah, and she laughed
and she said but I didn't know,they looked like this, meaning
all of us white people.
Oh, that's interesting, that'sso cool, yeah.
So so that were, as you cantell, in America and that was a
little strange to have that.
But he, I don't know, I reallydon't know his whole story, but
we went over to his place thisis the first time I met him and
he basically gave us a soundbath and we did an experience
with him, and so we're all likelaying on mat, oh, it was
(24:36):
amazing, okay, and this guy wasso smart, and I don't mean like
book, he was just like out ofthis world.
So, yes, he was well-versed inthe scriptures and yes, you know
(24:57):
, okay, he was right, he was aspiritual healer.
That's what he was, because he,basically he operated this
nonprofit and people would cometo him when, essentially, they
were either unable to go tomedical or medical wasn't
working and they're like I'mdesperate, I don't know what to
do.
And so, basically, he would,these people would come and stay
at his house with him and hewould operate all in donations.
I don't know how he did it, butthey would come and stay with
him and he would heal themessentially.
Now it may take time to do thator whatever.
(25:19):
Usually the body has to recover,like we were just talking about
, but he would do that.
So he was kind enough to giveus it was a group of us a sound
bath and as he was talking youwouldn't believe this guy he
found the chakras in the Bibleand he would point them out one
by one.
Okay, he found meridians rightfrom Chinese medicine in the
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Bible, pointed out literallyit's right there.
Look, here's this one andhere's that one.
I mean just crazy, amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, it is.
That's probably in that worldof Kabbalah, which is the equal
side of their, their faith, andnot all of them believe it, you
know, I mean it's like out therebecause those experiential and
there's nothing to defend,there's nothing to do except you
just know it.
Yeah, you don't know it.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
You probably think it's suspect yep, that's why
that's, honestly, what I enjoyedabout it the most is yes, of
course, I resonated with what hesaid.
Like it, totally.
I was like, oh yeah, this istrue.
I know this is true what he'ssaying, but I really did relish
the fact that he could pullthose things out of the bible
(26:28):
and all these people who, likeyou're talking about, are so
focused on defending.
Which brings me back tosomething that, uh, I I always
go back to this because, uh andI'm pretty sure it was 2016 when
I watched this movie it's amovie called flight from death
quest for immortality.
(26:49):
Okay, I didn't know what I waswatching, I just started
watching it and then, of course,I get completely sucked in and
I'm totally into this thing.
Just watch the movie as it is.
It's a documentary and itessentially looks at people's
fear of death.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That's really what I'm doing, okay it's to be the
biggest thing oh, absolutely,humans are afraid of that and or
believing whether or not thatthere really is the other side.
You know that part always yes,so the, the the movie.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I liked it so much.
I I felt like I don't know, Ifelt like that when it was.
I don't even know when it wascreated, but I felt like the
time at which I watched it hadcome after we had kind of healed
from 9-11 and you know, thatkind of had like that was a big
motivating factor.
Right, I didn't really wasn'table to put my finger on that
(27:44):
until I watched it again, but Iwatched it with the like
director's commentary commentaryor maybe I saw it at the end, I
can't remember.
And yes, it was in response to9-11.
So they got motivated to dothat, to make the whole
documentary after 9-11.
But I'm gonna spoil it.
The biggest message I got fromit is that humans are afraid of
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death and we come up with allthese stories about what happens
or doesn't happen after deathand the reason and I think this
definitely points to 9-11, isthat the reason that we get so
angry and there's so muchviolence around these things is
that we're so afraid of deaththat if somebody threatens what
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we believe to be what's going tohappen after death, it is no
longer a threat to the idea now.
It's a threat to literally everyounce of energy that you have
put into this belief and everylike, all of your fears, it just
it brings it to the forefrontand that's why it's so vehement,
right like it's so bad and,yeah, it makes total sense.
(28:50):
So, of course, the way you dealwith that is deal with your
fear of death.
But because it looked at alldifferent kinds of religions and
practices and cultures and ofcourse it didn't include
everything, but I thought it wasreally really well-made.
It was on Amazon when I watchedit first, and then now I
haven't looked in a while, butit's not there anymore.
Well, yeah, so it's not thereanymore.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Well, yeah so man.
Well, he had some more ondreams and dream interpretation
and he talked about thedifferent kinds of quality to
dreams, and those mean differentthings for us.
There was an EF Ettinger whowas a contemporary to Jung, carl
(29:37):
Jung, and he talked a lot aboutthe self and the self being
with a capital S and equal toGod, and then he talked about
the affective in us, thefeelings, and how those feelings
can be a part of ourunderstanding of the mystical
(30:02):
and of the sacred.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, so it all goes back to channeling again,
because it's like how do you getthat information?
Some people get it with afeeling to channeling again
because it's like how do you getthat information?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
some people get it with a feeling, some people get
it with a feeling.
Some get it through their, um,their saints, some get it
through their spiritual guides,mentors.
Um, there can be crazy thingsthat happen.
You can be walking someplaceand see a billboard and you
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think, oh, that's what I've beenthinking about, that's where
I've been wanting to go, andthere's a phone number.
I just don't believe incoincidence, I just don't.
I believe that there is apurpose to everything on earth.
I really do purpose toeverything on earth.
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I really do, and so I.
This book, this, this one, wasfun, not because I didn't know
these things, but because itbrought it up in front of me and
now I can look at my own withintention, and that's where it's
helped, going to help me, um,because I do know this stuff,
but I didn't know.
I could never told you about itever.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It goes back to very similar to what we were talking
about initially is gettinginvolved in that stuff.
When somebody else is usinglanguage to describe the
mystical or God or whatever youwant to call it, when they about
it, you can identify.
Oh yeah, I know that I didn'thave words, for it's almost like
we're.
We're almost like we're a baby.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
We know these things, yeah, but we don't know yeah
yeah, weird, um, I'm taking abook book club thing with the,
uh, a book club thing with theReiki practitioners in Great
Falls, and it's a course inmiracles.
Sarah has wanted to be doingthis for a long time so she
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finally got us off the groundand there's four of us who are
taking it.
And that is the hardest darnthing.
And it's not because I don'tknow the material, it's because
of the way it's presented in thelanguage that's used.
Oh, it's stripping it down towhat is that called?
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Um extra?
No, um, victor frankel wrote abit, uh, in his, his form of
psychology uh, denialism, Idon't know what, no um, oh,
it'll come to me.
What is it?
Anyway, I really liked him.
He developed that in the campsand it is a minimalist look at
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life.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
And that, when you come down to the very basic of
what your needs are, it's enough.
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The foundation of we talkedabout already.
Like yes, the found, you know,reiki is the foundation, but you
and I come from a place wherewe've been doing Reiki for a
long time.
Oh yeah, so we were justtalking about a client of mine
who I was trying to feel outwhere she was on the spectrum of
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, for a very poor term, thewoo-woo, right, like the idea of
the spiritual, like where can I?
What language can I use?
So you'll understand?
And her first response was shewas very into the angelic realms
and and then the thing that shesaid that made it certainly
gives me a lot of informationwas oh, I, I've taken Reiki, you
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know I, you know I, I learnedReiki and and the way she talked
about it I was like, okay, soshe gets Reiki, she totally gets
Reiki, she's been instructed init, um, which means she gets a
lot of these ideas right.
But the and that of course gaveme an understanding of where to
go with the words to talk to her, um, but we were just
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mentioning that.
You know it is, it is a doorway, but it's not.
I don't know.
I don't think people understandthe importance of it, because
the way that, at least if it wasdone through the icrt, with
william rand stuff, yeah, and Idon't know anything about any of
the other ones, so I can't sayyay or nay, but I know that
through the william rand stuff,uh, the foundation, the way it's
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presented, is totally done withcomplete and total love
absolutely openness, and so whenit's presented to them, it it's
almost like like we createthese.
We experience situations wherewe should uh, you, you have a
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relationship where you think youmight be loved, like by your
mother or your father orwhatever, and you don't have
that experience.
And, for example, for me, oneof the things that I mixed the
meanings was love andresponsibility.
Well, they're not at alltogether, they are two separate
concepts, and so what they didis taint my image or
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understanding of love, and I'vehad to work to release that,
whereas not that I was done withmalintent, but the mixing of
the ideas kind of um muddies thewater, so to speak, whereas
they.
I find that the reiki teachingsreally do not muddy the water.
They're very clear about whatit is and what it isn't, and
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it's presented in a very lovingway.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yes, so the person is open yeah, and and given a lot
of options that you don't haveto do everything, but it's like
a smorgasbord of things for aparticular time or a particular
person or a particular day, andyou can.
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You know, maybe you need to dosome kind of inner healing, or
maybe you need a physicalhealing, or you need to approach
someone with an attitude offorgiveness, which is the
deepest form of love there isand it's the hardest one to get
to.
I think that it's really.
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I think the work of WilliamRand to bring it to the Western
thinking has done phenomenalwork.
Perhaps we need to be with ourspirit guides, maybe we need to
be alone with the person, maybetheir spirit guides show up and
being sensitive to all of thatis about loving that person and
respecting that person, but alsoourselves as practitioners too,
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and doing that is probably thehardest because we don't pay
attention to it when we'regiving, giving, giving well,
yeah, we don't notice that.
Well, because most people who dothat have that tendency right
to give I, I think I don't thinkthere's anyone who who works in
the energy field that doesn'tget have to get reminded take
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care of yourself.
But what does it mean?
On any given day it's adifferent thing.
It's just that we have thesecues like with you it's a
headache, with me it'll be a gutache, but right now it has to
do with with these other goofythings I have going on in my
body.
And right now, for me as apractitioner, I am having to
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face my own physical body.
I never have.
It's all about healing her in away that I can age gracefully.
I need to be able to agegracefully so I can serve others
.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It's interesting you say that because that makes me
think back.
So I was just thinking myhusband just said to me last
night, because I had theheadache that we mentioned, I
worked with somebody and I cameout of that and I had a headache
.
So that's how we kind ofstarted on this.
But, um, I mentioned that tohim and he says, uh, don't you
think maybe essentially, youtake too many supplements?
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And I was like, yeah, you know,there are times that I think I
do take too many supplements andbut now I've gotten better at
actually, when I'm opening thebottles like there's one, I say
I've been taking chlorella for awhile and uh, it's still in the
bag that I have where I haveall the ones I'm taking.
And for the last three weeks,every time I pick up the bottle,
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I hear no, like it's just no,so then I just put it back down.
It's no big deal, but I'vegotten better about being in
tune with that.
And um, the what you're talkingabout there takes me back to, um
, honestly, like childhood,because we were mentioning
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before, when I was probably atime like 33 or possibly 35.
I had very little informationthat something I was doing
specifically that was talkingabout what's in my diet, did I
realize that something wasbothering me, because I had
always eaten those things, likeI never noticed that there was
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an issue, because if I had anissue it was there all the time
and there was.
That was like my standard, likethe, the regular level, and, um,
I kind of wonder, like,actually today I got gas and I
put in the gas and as soon asyou know now, because we can't
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possibly sit around with nothinggoing on they have a TV on the
gas pump, right, yes, it turnsonto this garbage that's on
there, right.
And then I heard this womanwhoever might've been the new
dose, I don't know who it was uh, says I think she said it was
Dr, somebody said, and then itwas like taking time for
yourself, taking time toappreciate things you want.
(07:29):
And then I it's funny becauseof course it's in words too it
says, like you know, makerituals out of whatever and do
self care practices, which, hey,it's way in the mainstream now,
right, but what, like you said,what are those self-care
practices and what do they looklike for everybody?
And how do we?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
because I think they can be so small and I think that
we have them and we don't dothem with intention.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You know, intention, intention, intention, it is
everything when it comes tohaving healing of any kind.
When we set an intention and wenot so much um ocd on the thing
, we choose it as a decision,then all your feelings follow.
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If, if our issues are housedwithin the emotional package
that we have, then it seemsreasonable that we have to do
these intentions to activate thegood that we're seeking, and
(08:38):
it's not going to happen all atonce.
The first time I remember oh,yay I remembered and I don't
remember for a month.
You know, oh, I forgot aboutthat one, um, but I think when
we put that intention to it, itdoesn't matter how small the
thing is.
Yeah, it's going to changesomething that we need to have
(08:59):
changed yeah, totally so couldbe.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Uh, really, I mean anything.
I mean I think even if you justtake the time to not talk, like
I, really I do better when Idon't talk in the morning for a
while oh, it's enjoyable to, tomake that.
But then when that, when it'slike it feels like it's taken
from you, like you have acircumstance where you have to
(09:25):
talk and you know, I try not toalways younger, I used to get
really angry about it, but trynot to dwell on that too much
but it does kind of feel like oh, this is taking away my time,
you know, for the quiet, I know,but my other people talking
like they can, most of the timethey can talk whatever they want
to, but I just don't want to beinvolved in it.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, like they can, most of the time, they can talk
whatever they want to, but Ijust don't want to be involved
in it.
Yeah, I get it, I really do.
Um, I've been reading, I juststarted this.
These, these two books are byby a guy who, um, who passed
away, I think in 2015, 15 and hewas like in his 70s and he is.
He is the guru for um,educating people about jesus,
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and, and it's throughexperiential experiences and he
does a whole list in this one,this, uh, the god we never knew,
beyond, beyond dogmaticreligion, to a more authentic
contemporary faith.
Now, I haven't known about Borg.
Marcus Borg I've known aboutbecause he is a, a theologian of
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the Anglican tradition and I'm,you know, roman Catholic
Catholic, so my emphasis hasalways been Roman Catholic,
which takes in Richard Rohr.
He's, he's the guy that I go toand I'm taking a class from him
right now, anyway, um, you knowhe's Catholic, so I I go there,
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but he's saying the same thingas Borg.
Oh, yeah, and and the.
The reason they dovetail isbecause these are things that
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human beings know about and howit can differ from one person to
another, with the last onebeing just a simple little
things in our life that we don'tpay attention to, that are part
of the messages that we get andwe act on or we deny them.
(11:40):
There's so much of that.
Oh, yeah, well, everybody doesthat.
Yeah, that's not a big deal.
Oh, if that's your connectionto the other side and the help
that you can receive, you betthey do.
Um, yeah, I think back on mymom.
My mom was a, an angry woman, adepressed woman.
She, she raised 11 kids.
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Good lord know who wouldn't beangry.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Tiring at the minimum , yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
At the very least.
Anyway, she was very we wouldcall it religious, but all of us
kids in the family understoodthat she had her own form of
Roman Catholicism.
But I know now that the thingsthat I have going on and the
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kinds of things that have beenin me all my life, that I
respond to, I know now wherethey come from and I am very
confident about them and I don'tcare whether somebody else
believes them or not.
They work, work for me andthey're very intentional.
Now, my mom would have neveracknowledged anything like that.
It would have been sinful forher to do that, to equate
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herself with oh, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Well, that's some of that's the dogma.
So you said it was five things,or is it five pages?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Five pages of different things.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Can you summarize them?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I can take a quick look here.
I just thought they werefascinating.
And this isn't even telling youall that he writes about,
because it's a definition withall of them, which I think is
fantastic.
Because it's a definition withall of them, which I think is
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fantastic.
And I only dovetail with thisbecause of the things we're
talking about, with things likeheadaches or stomach aches or
hour session that we've had toheal from a fight we've had with
a friend to get past afrustration with the person that
was in line at the bank.
You know it goes on and on, butthese are clues as to how we're
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helped in our life, clues as tohow we're helped in our life.
Now he's a Jesus person, so heteaches scripture, but it was
interesting to me that his lastyears were taught at Oregon
State University.
He taught at Moorhead andanother one, another theological
one, but he ends up teaching inphilosophy.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
In the Oregon State University.
Yes, so kind of I thought, ohhe's out there.
Anyway, it says the storiesabout Moses' experience of the
sacred, the call stories of theprophets and the story of Jesus
all speak of people who knew thesacred, and that's what he
refers to, these events of beingthe sacred.
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For them, the sacred was anelement of experience, not
simply an article of belief.
That's a huge difference.
His emphasis is about god.
Some people would refer tobuddha I'm just going to use god
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as, because that's his term andit's a term I'm familiar with,
but it can mean these otherfaith traditions that aren't
Christian and their founders,almost all of them, have had
these very spiritual and dynamicexperiences.
So it says that God is notsimply somewhere else but also
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right here.
So one and the same, andsometimes occurring
spontaneously, thesenon-ordinary states can also be
entered through ritualizedmeanings and spiritual
disciplines, and I know that canbe true with people who do
retreats.
That all of a sudden and Ithink that's one of the
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beautiful things with Reiki andthe William Rand work is that
you can go to one of these andall of a sudden it's like a new
paradigm or there's a shift inthe paradigm we have.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
So I want to say so, the way that you're describing
it there.
I mean, I don't have the bookin front of me, but going
through what I'm going throughright now, learning what I'm
learning, going through what I'mgoing through right now,
learning what I'm learning, Isee that very similar to these
terms that people will use thatare connected to clairvoyance of
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some on some level.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Right, one of the ones he was connected to, to
source it's.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
how are you connecting to spirit?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yes and so.
Yeah, and talking about theseecstatic experiences, that's one
of the ones where you hear oryou see, and it's outside of you
.
I mean it's huge.
It's these big, big experiencesthat happen.
People who have themconsistently say they involve a
(17:05):
knowing and not simply a feeling.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You know, and it doesn't matter what other people
think, because you know and youdon't have to convince or
defend, you just know.
Visions are a vivid experienceof momentarily seeing into
another layer or level ofreality.
And then there is the shaman,or the shamanic experiences.
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In that case the shamanrepresents the people and
intercedes for them throughdifferent kinds of clairvoyance,
divination, things like that,and that serves the people.
And mystical experiencesinvolve ecstatic states of
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consciousness in which one isvividly aware of the presence of
God.
There's just times people justknow, oh, and it puts you back,
because you're just kind oftaken aback.
Mystical experiences have beendivided into two major types.
These are names, one's X andone's N.
(18:13):
So let's just put it that way,like extrovert and introvert
that's not the words, but that'slike that.
And so you can have outsideexperience, meaning your eyes
are open and you are totallyaware of something happening.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
It's a landscape.
It is transformed and infusedwith light or subfused with
light, as illuminated fromwithin or behind, and I know
I've experienced those.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I was talking about seeing auras.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yes, for people that do see them, yes, it can be that
it can also just be a personalexperience.
I remember one time I'd hadthis huge awakening within and I
just looked outside my windowand the sky was bluer than it
had ever been, the garden wasgreener than it had ever been
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and the joy within me justwelled up and I had to run
outside and run through thegarden and just be present to
nature.
So that's, that's one of those,yeah, kind of experiences, um,
and you can have them closed andthat would take in the
visualizations and and thosekinds of things that were led in
(19:28):
where we get that aha, thathappens to us.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
The closed he's talking about is kind of like
within the, not necessarilywithin the body, but kind of
internal.
It's an internal reflection.
The X is actually, whether itcould be the physical world or
you just know it's outside ofyou.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, it's outside of you but your eyes are open when
it happens.
You don't have to always haveyour eyes closed for these
things to happen.
And then they talk about thesoul may experience itself
ascending to God.
Mystics speak of bothcataphatic images and
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extroverted mystical experiences.
The boundary of the selfbecomes very soft and may even
disappear, so that oneexperiences communion or union
with the sacred.
And I know there are people whohave out-of-body experiences.
I met one, you know, I used togo to AA and there was a woman
who who was earned her living asa poker player Fascinating
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people in AA, they really are,they're of every walk and she
said she could drive and shecould lift herself out of her
body driving down the road andbe outside her body.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Oh, she actually kind of mastered going in and out.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, she figured it out and I I thought I don't
think I want to, I don't knowthat's really talking about
these.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
It really falls into that category of what, what we
refer to as psychic orparanormal kind of.
But but I like the way you'resaying that he says, uh,
essentially is, and you'resaying that even in the Bible
people acknowledge this assignificant connections.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Well, if you look at the prophets in the Hebrew
scriptures and that is notChristian but if you look at the
prophets there and the kinds ofthings they did, some were soft
and gentle and used greatmetaphor and others were tougher
than bootnails and some werejust outright cranky, you know,
(21:36):
and they were all used by thesacred to To lead their people
in a right direction and thepeople were expected to go in a
certain way.
And the people were expected togo in a certain way and when
they would get off course, oneof these guys would pop up.
And it's pretty cool when youread their stories.
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You know, I taught that when Iwas teaching in high school, in
the Catholic school, and Itaught Old Testament.
It was always called OldTestament, but it's really part
of Hebrew scripture that we keptjust part.
Their scriptures are huge andwe don't even begin to
understand the Judaic mind.
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And then I would teach theJesus message in the New
Testament and it was amazing tome when I was reading this book
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how much he could pull out ofthe mysticism of if people would
read without looking for amessage to their whoever their
people were around them, if theycould stop long enough to not
defend the position and listento what really was being said.
It's it's a whole mysticalexperience of that human being
saying this is what I'm gettingfor all of us take it or leave
it, but if you do this, theseare the consequences.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
If you do this, these are the consequences, and
there's always consequences yeahit's about creating a world
because, uh, I know I don't knowwhat year was had to have been
before 2017, probably 2016, ish.
I was in louisiana and Iconnected with somebody who was
mystical, like this kind kind ofstuff, and we were just and I
(23:33):
we were hanging out, we weretrying to figure out how to like
really do what we're supposedto do and somehow she knew this
guy who was a.
He was a rabbi.
Okay, he was an AfricanAmerican rabbi and he and his
wife African American or AfricanJews when I was in Israel oh,
(23:55):
you did yeah in fact they.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
This one woman that we talked with, she kind of,
toward the end, kind of giggledand she said, you know, because
people were surprised they wereblack yeah, it was different
yeah and she laughed and shesaid but I didn't know they
looked like this, meaning all ofus.
You know cause people?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
were surprised.
They were black, yeah, it wasdifferent, yeah, and she laughed
and she said but I didn't know,they looked like this, meaning
all of us white people.
Oh, that's interesting, that'sso cool, yeah.
So so that were, as you cantell, in America and that was a
little strange to have that.
But he, I don't know, I reallydon't know his whole story, but
we went over to his place thisis the first time I met him and
he basically gave us a soundbath and we did an experience
with him, and so we're all likelaying on mat, oh, it was
(24:36):
amazing, okay, and this guy wasso smart, and I don't mean like
book, he was just like out ofthis world.
So, yes, he was well-versed inthe scriptures and yes, you know
(24:57):
, okay, he was right, he was aspiritual healer.
That's what he was, because he,basically he operated this
nonprofit and people would cometo him when, essentially, they
were either unable to go tomedical or medical wasn't
working and they're like I'mdesperate, I don't know what to
do.
And so, basically, he would,these people would come and stay
at his house with him and hewould operate all in donations.
I don't know how he did it, butthey would come and stay with
him and he would heal themessentially.
Now it may take time to do thator whatever.
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Usually the body has to recover,like we were just talking about
, but he would do that.
So he was kind enough to giveus it was a group of us a sound
bath and as he was talking youwouldn't believe this guy he
found the chakras in the Bibleand he would point them out one
by one.
Okay, he found meridians rightfrom Chinese medicine in the
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Bible, pointed out literallyit's right there.
Look, here's this one andhere's that one.
I mean just crazy, amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, it is.
That's probably in that worldof Kabbalah, which is the equal
side of their, their faith, andnot all of them believe it, you
know, I mean it's like out therebecause those experiential and
there's nothing to defend,there's nothing to do except you
just know it.
Yeah, you don't know it.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
You probably think it's suspect yep, that's why
that's, honestly, what I enjoyedabout it the most is yes, of
course, I resonated with what hesaid.
Like it, totally.
I was like, oh yeah, this istrue.
I know this is true what he'ssaying, but I really did relish
the fact that he could pullthose things out of the bible
(26:28):
and all these people who, likeyou're talking about, are so
focused on defending.
Which brings me back tosomething that, uh, I I always
go back to this because, uh andI'm pretty sure it was 2016 when
I watched this movie it's amovie called flight from death
quest for immortality.
(26:49):
Okay, I didn't know what I waswatching, I just started
watching it and then, of course,I get completely sucked in and
I'm totally into this thing.
Just watch the movie as it is.
It's a documentary and itessentially looks at people's
fear of death.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That's really what I'm doing, okay it's to be the
biggest thing oh, absolutely,humans are afraid of that and or
believing whether or not thatthere really is the other side.
You know that part always yes,so the, the the movie.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I liked it so much.
I I felt like I don't know, Ifelt like that when it was.
I don't even know when it wascreated, but I felt like the
time at which I watched it hadcome after we had kind of healed
from 9-11 and you know, thatkind of had like that was a big
motivating factor.
Right, I didn't really wasn'table to put my finger on that
(27:44):
until I watched it again, but Iwatched it with the like
director's commentary commentaryor maybe I saw it at the end, I
can't remember.
And yes, it was in response to9-11.
So they got motivated to dothat, to make the whole
documentary after 9-11.
But I'm gonna spoil it.
The biggest message I got fromit is that humans are afraid of
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death and we come up with allthese stories about what happens
or doesn't happen after deathand the reason and I think this
definitely points to 9-11, isthat the reason that we get so
angry and there's so muchviolence around these things is
that we're so afraid of deaththat if somebody threatens what
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we believe to be what's going tohappen after death, it is no
longer a threat to the idea now.
It's a threat to literally everyounce of energy that you have
put into this belief and everylike, all of your fears, it just
it brings it to the forefrontand that's why it's so vehement,
right like it's so bad and,yeah, it makes total sense.
(28:50):
So, of course, the way you dealwith that is deal with your
fear of death.
But because it looked at alldifferent kinds of religions and
practices and cultures and ofcourse it didn't include
everything, but I thought it wasreally really well-made.
It was on Amazon when I watchedit first, and then now I
haven't looked in a while, butit's not there anymore.
Well, yeah, so it's not thereanymore.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Well, yeah so man.
Well, he had some more ondreams and dream interpretation
and he talked about thedifferent kinds of quality to
dreams, and those mean differentthings for us.
There was an EF Ettinger whowas a contemporary to Jung, carl
(29:37):
Jung, and he talked a lot aboutthe self and the self being
with a capital S and equal toGod, and then he talked about
the affective in us, thefeelings, and how those feelings
can be a part of ourunderstanding of the mystical
(30:02):
and of the sacred.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, so it all goes back to channeling again,
because it's like how do you getthat information?
Some people get it with afeeling to channeling again
because it's like how do you getthat information?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
some people get it with a feeling, some people get
it with a feeling.
Some get it through their, um,their saints, some get it
through their spiritual guides,mentors.
Um, there can be crazy thingsthat happen.
You can be walking someplaceand see a billboard and you
(30:31):
think, oh, that's what I've beenthinking about, that's where
I've been wanting to go, andthere's a phone number.
I just don't believe incoincidence, I just don't.
I believe that there is apurpose to everything on earth.
I really do purpose toeverything on earth.
(30:54):
I really do, and so I.
This book, this, this one, wasfun, not because I didn't know
these things, but because itbrought it up in front of me and
now I can look at my own withintention, and that's where it's
helped, going to help me, um,because I do know this stuff,
but I didn't know.
I could never told you about itever.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It goes back to very similar to what we were talking
about initially is gettinginvolved in that stuff.
When somebody else is usinglanguage to describe the
mystical or God or whatever youwant to call it, when they about
it, you can identify.
Oh yeah, I know that I didn'thave words, for it's almost like
we're.
We're almost like we're a baby.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
We know these things, yeah, but we don't know yeah
yeah, weird, um, I'm taking abook book club thing with the,
uh, a book club thing with theReiki practitioners in Great
Falls, and it's a course inmiracles.
Sarah has wanted to be doingthis for a long time so she
(31:58):
finally got us off the groundand there's four of us who are
taking it.
And that is the hardest darnthing.
And it's not because I don'tknow the material, it's because
of the way it's presented in thelanguage that's used.
Oh, it's stripping it down towhat is that called?
(32:36):
Um extra?
No, um, victor frankel wrote abit, uh, in his, his form of
psychology uh, denialism, Idon't know what, no um, oh,
it'll come to me.
What is it?
Anyway, I really liked him.
He developed that in the campsand it is a minimalist look at
(32:57):
life.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
And that, when you come down to the very basic of
what your needs are, it's enough.
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