January 7, 2025 • 38 mins
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Celine Burgett discovered during a massage therapy session when my intuitive skills surfaced without warning. Join Blaire Stanislao and Celine Burgett on Mystical and Infamous as we explore the uncanny world of clairvoyance and channeling—unveiling personal stories, mystical practices, and signs from beyond that might just change the way you perceive the universe. From reconnecting with pets that have passed to receiving universal messages through music and symbols, this episode promises a tapestry of spiritual experiences that invite you to look inward for validation and love.
We examine how life's blueprint often includes traumatic events as profound learning opportunities. As we navigate these sometimes challenging waters, the conversation shifts to how embracing life fully can empower us to find freedom and peace within, irrespective of external chaos.
We'll highlight the importance of processing emotions without judgment and how allowing ourselves to feel can prevent them from manifesting physically. Engaging in joy and stillness can help us break free from negative patterns, encouraging personal growth and healing. Through poignant stories and practical exercises, this episode is a heartfelt invitation to embark on a journey of self-discovery, embracing the freedom and power that lie within us all.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, this is Blair Stanislao with the Happy Lion
Center.
Welcome to our podcast Mysticaland Infamous, where we have
playful and easy conversationsabout anything mystical, getting
to the heart of all things,strange and weird.
Join us in a bit of magicaltomfoolery, spreading the
alchemy of love and light.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And now we invite you to enjoy the show and light,
and now we invite you to enjoythe show.
I want to say it really reallystarted when I was a massage
therapist, giving a massage toone of my regular clients, when
all of a sudden, a message cameto me, and it was that his knot
in his shoulder that had beenthere for a while wasn't from
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him sitting at his computereight hours a day, but that
something significant washappening in his relationship.
And I just blurted it outwithout thinking about it and I
didn't know where thisinformation came from and he
didn't say anything, and so Ithought, oh my God, I put my
foot in my mouth and he's nevergoing to come back.
(01:05):
But lo and behold, he came backthe next week and he said
Celine, my wife has beencheating on me and I don't know
what to do about it.
And he's like I don't know howyou felt that, but he's like
that's what it is.
And from that moment forward Iwas like, okay, I'm onto
something here.
I'm tapping into what's evendeeper than what's showing up in
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our bodies, and I started toreally put together that it's
our bodies that are really kindof the last place where things
show up.
So I ended up going to schoolto hone those skills and become
a certified clairvoyant, whichsounds kind of funny.
But since then I've had a lotof mystical, cool experiences
(01:52):
and yeah.
So I just thought it'd be coolto talk about some of those and
if you've had any, I'd love tohear about those.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Let's talk about that .
It's kind of funny because, asI'm thinking about a potential
event that's that might becoming forth and this idea of
like knowing where you get theinformation from.
And so if you're exposed to anyof those kinds of things like
you're talking about, eventuallyyou get the language to say
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it's channeling right.
If you don't have some sort ofpreconceived opinion about if
it's good or bad or anythinglike that, it's channeling.
So what all that means isconnecting to spirit and
bringing it forth right, right.
What I find really interestingis how people bring it in
differently, not only because oftheir personality personality
(02:44):
but because of, like thesituation.
Like there there are somepeople when they channel, you
know they have this wholeceremony, maybe they have a dark
room.
I've seen a documentary onnetflix.
It's really pretty cool.
It's all about this stuff and,um, they're I don't know what, I
forgot what they call it butbasically this woman sits in a
chair in a room and there's likea curtain around it, I don't
know why and then they have likepeople in a circle and she's
(03:06):
channeling for them I've seensomething similar to that, right
, but they also have like theycall it something plasm.
It's like goo and stuff thatcomes out of the physical body.
So plasm, that's what it is.
Yeah, so it's like you knowghostbusters.
Yeah, so there's that.
You could do it like that,right.
Or you could be creating apiece of artwork and then know
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what color to put down, or youwalk up to people that you know
and they're upset and you knowwhat to say, right, like it's,
it kind of depends on you,people around you and all of
that.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, all the circumstance, yeah, the whole
circumstance.
It could be something, like yousaid, where you're really kind
of in that zone, the silent zonewhere you do a meditation, or
you can get in the zone when youare creating art, playing music
, you know whatever get walkingin nature and then sometimes you
can have experiences that arejust very random, like well, I'm
(04:05):
sure I was in the zone giving amassage that day, but one okay,
here's something when my firstdog, who I was really really
close to, of course, like shewas my baby, and went everywhere
with me, she died right aroundwinter solstice of 2013.
And this is when I live nearRed Rocks here in Colorado and I
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had to put her down rightaround four in the morning and
the person I was with at thetime said let's go watch the
sunrise at Red Rocks after weput her down.
And so we went to Red Rocks andit was so cool because the
rocks were sticking up over theclouds, the clouds were just
below it and it was like thisthe whole scene was mystical and
(04:51):
this black bird flew in frontof me and I knew without a
shadow of a doubt that that wasmy dog bell saying mom, I'm free
, I don't hurt anymore and I'mgood.
So that was the symbol I tookas her.
And then a few weeks later I wasdriving past Red Rocks going
home and I was listening to theradio, as I always do, and the
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song Blackbird by the Beatlescame on, and of course I'm
thinking of my belly boo.
And as the song was on, thenumbers on my radio station
changed from the numbers to astar and a question mark and a
star and all these symbols I'venever seen on my radio before
during the song.
And then as soon as the songended it went back to the radio
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station numbers and I knew thatwas a sign from her too that
she's here.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Oh yeah you know, I'm going to share one similar to
that.
Um, I was going, what was Igoing to?
I think I was actually going tothe first.
These people were calling it agallery, which is basically it's
mediumship.
Right, a gallery is a euphemism.
I think I could be wrong for aseance or something like that.
(06:06):
Right, okay, these people, theywere evidential mediums and
they were practicing and tryingto grow their, their experience
or business or whatever, and Iwas.
I just happened to know them,so I went to support them and I
had a relatively it was a usedtruck, but it was new to me and
(06:27):
it was like new enough thatthere would be nothing wrong
with it.
And I was driving down the roadand the radio was playing and
then it changed to a differentstation and I looked at it and I
thought, no, this is not thefirst time it happened, right.
So I looked at it and I waslike wait a minute, did I push a
button wrong or did I touchsomething?
I didn't know?
And I thought through all that,I'm like, no, I did not.
So I think I tried to change itor something and it went back
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and I was like, okay, there's amessage, right.
So I listened to the song and soI actually get songs like that
a lot and I I actually have aplaylist of them, and at that
point it had only been a coupleyears since my, my husband died
and I knew that these weremessages from him, right, like I
just knew it and uh, anyways,that's that's for me.
(07:11):
That's how it comes through,like, honestly, in the last year
, uh, even just the last sixmonths, I finally got, finally
got.
I'm not gonna say it was amessage, I don't know if it was
a message or it was arealization or something but if
you take love songs and, insteadof listening to them like it's
a man and a woman or whoever itis that's romantically involved,
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take it as a love song to youfrom your true self, then you're
like, oh, that's it Right,because you're not looking
outside of yourself.
And so I have actuallycurrently have a song on repeat
that is just like that is theepitome of that.
(07:55):
Do you mind sharing it?
Absolutely, it's OK.
So I think you say the nameSade, but it's S-A-D-E, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Sade, oh, my dad loves her.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, a lot of people do, and this song is by your
Side.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Oh, I already want to cry just from the title.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I've had it on repeat for quite a while, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's so cool.
You get messages from songs andit's so much huger than we
realize, you saying like,instead of looking outside
ourselves for that validationand the love but to go within
and find it within us.
You know, the more we do thatand practice that, I feel, the
more we have these mysticalexperiences and these
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synchronicities.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, I think that the more you notice them, the
more you do wind up.
Oh, I don't know.
I'm not saying you're notgetting.
I still think you're gettingthem oh, and they're still there
.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
But I think your awareness is more sharp with
them, like you start to noticethem more and more oh, this is
funny, you'll like this.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
So same in reverse.
That, let's put this in reverse.
Okay, blair, you need to fixthis.
So I was upset with my husbandthis weekend and we were gonna
go somewhere and I was like, ah,just go without me, I don't
want to go.
And then he convinced me to go,and so we get in the vehicle,
and the vehicle we took is a1997 truck.
Okay, so it's that old, it has.
(09:22):
It had just been worked.
But that's here and we're there.
We're driving down the road.
We only have to go about sevento 10 minutes and we get to the
first stoplight and I'm stillreally upset, really angry.
I had two hair clips with me andI put them in the dash and this
noise starts happening.
I'm like, okay, I'm going topick those up to see if that's
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the noise that we're hearing.
You know.
I picked him up and then hesays is it, was that the clips?
And I said, no, it's still aclip, I've got the clips right
here, it's not the clips.
And so the car started making,the truck started making more
noise.
We were, we were, I don't know.
We did stop once and then hesaid, oh, we're going to make it
.
You've only got to make it onemore mile.
(10:05):
So he hits the gas and we goand it's really just getting
louder.
It's not like I mean the thingwasn't blowing up or anything,
but you knew something was wrongwith it, right, and we go, and
then we had to stop at the nextlight and we stopped and like a
second and a half later thething just died, right, and I'm
like, ooh that well, thatdoesn't happen all that often
(10:25):
for us, right, but on the energyplane, there's a lot of things
that have been said that I haveheard it.
I tend to lean towards yeah,this is probably a reality.
Much like the body.
Uh, I was like, oh, yeah, itmeans this is like a clear
signal you need to stop this,right.
Like so, is it me being angryor is it something he's doing
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Cause it's his truck?
You know, it's like my mind isgoing crazy and through the rest
of that experience which wastechnically really was all fine,
wasn't really that big of adeal, but we weren't dead
stopped in the middle of thehighway, he starts talking about
what the situation is.
He knew that the radiator wasleaking, I guess, or something
was off, and he had beenchecking it and he's very good
with vehicles and things likethat.
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And then he's describing it tome.
He's like blah, blah, blah, thecooling system.
And I was like, oh yeah, that'sit, that's me, cause I'm so
angry, I'm like losing my gripon you know, like I've lost my
cool completely today.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, girl, that makes so much sense and you're
so right.
That's so on the energeticlevel when anything happens like
that, including accidents,right Well, accidents.
Quote unquote they're justsigns from the universe that are
kind of reflections of yourenergy to say whoa, wait a
second, there's something youneed to get here, right, yeah,
(11:47):
yeah, absolutely.
Here's a weird thing that'sbeen happening to me lately.
Okay, this is really strange,out of nowhere.
Oh, there's my breathing Umlet's do it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Let's do it.
Since we're doing this, let'sdo that.
Is that okay?
Will you lead it?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yes, absolutely.
So we're going to do thealternate nostril breath which
we did last time I got to seeyou, and that is where we plug
one nostril at a time.
I like to use thumb and ringfinger and I like to put my
middle finger and pointy fingerright above my right on my third
eye, and we're going to use thethumb to block the right
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nostril and we're going tobreathe in through the left.
Hold for just a moment andexhale slowly through the right
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and slowly exhale through theleft, in through the left and
out the right, in the right, outthe left, and one more in
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through the left and out throughthe right, and let's just
return to your normal breathingand notice how you feel.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
More in my body, definitely less in my head.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Good, me too.
I feel like I slowed down anotch or two, actually, which is
good.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Okay, so can we remember what we were talking
about.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, cause this is so strange.
Yes, I can remember out ofnowhere Like I'll just be, for
instance, like watching a showor taking a walk, and all of a
sudden I have this weird visionand it's not really clear, but
the gist of it is a rake or somesharp tool is coming at my
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eyeballs and poking my eyeballsout and I'm like, okay, so
that's happened now probablyfour or five times over the last
six months, or maybe less fouror five times over the last six
months, or maybe less four orfive times over the last few
months.
And I'm like, what the heck?
And I was just talking tosomeone about it last night and
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they're like, well, celine, whatis it you're not wanting to see
?
And I was like, oh no, I haven'tgotten it, but I but I posed
the question to the universe andI think when you at least pose
the question, you'll get I'mgoing to get an answer
eventually.
I'm not quite sure what it isyet, but oh, oh, hold, hold the
phone.
(15:09):
Actually, yes, the first thingthat came to me last night was,
when I posed the question, thatI was afraid to see my success
or my power, instead of theother way around.
Like, like there's a fear ofseeing how powerful I am and how
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bright.
Yeah, so that was the firstthing.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I also kind of wonder if?
Because when you so, I askedthe dream interpretation
instructor the guy he's reallygood.
I actually asked him over thefirst weekend, like the open
weekend there he does like amasterclass kind of thing and
the answer is very clear and itwas straight boom, that was just
the answer and it was becausehe was talking about dreams.
(15:59):
And I said and how does thisdiffer from from when you have,
you're in meditation and youhave a vision, or you have to
have a clairvoyant vision orsomething like that?
And he says it doesn't, so it'sall the same.
So we could use the sameinterpretations and if we were
to do that, anything with theeyes is about your clairvoyance,
which corresponds with youdeveloping your clairvoyance.
(16:20):
Wait, the clairvoyance is theseeing right?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
It is seeing.
Yeah, clear seeing.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Okay, and so I was kind of thinking seeing with
your third eye instead of seeingwith the physical eyes, of
seeing with the physical eyes,like encouraging you to remove
that, that physical sense, youknow, like making a choice to
(16:47):
say, okay, I'm not going to seeit with my physical senses, I'm
going to see it with a third eyewhich you see entirely
different things, right?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Oh, absolutely Like.
Yes, your perspective is somuch broader when you can look
through your third eye, andthank you for sharing that with
me, because that makes a lot ofsense with what I've been going
through lately.
Yeah, so yeah, thank you, rake,poking my eyes out vision as
morbid as that was.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Oh, yeah, it's not that bad.
I mean, dreams can be crazy.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't even know, like thereare things that happen.
I kind of wondered, like Ithink, if I had probably shared
with my husband oh, this is,this is about one of us one of
us, of course that I'm in thevehicle and the vehicle dies.
I'm not in that vehicle all thetime.
Right, I definitely think ithas more to do with me than with
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him.
I don't know.
I kind of wondered like howmuch you know.
A lot of times, what we'retalking about is how we operate,
like we look for those signsand we make micro adjustments
based on those things.
I wonder, you know, likesomebody who's not in this realm
, or if it's new to them, howhow would they take that?
(18:02):
How would they say, okay,you're, you're reading into
things, you know, or you're,you're just something that's not
really there?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, because you know.
But really everything isneutral and nothing has meaning
until it's the meaning we giveit.
Right, you know we give thingsmeaning and I don't know.
So it's a weird thing to thinkabout.
However, what comes to me astruth is if the meaning you give
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it helps or comes from a placeof love.
That that's probably the truth,you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
So I'm going to bring this into the conversation just
because it happened to me thismorning.
I have a friend who is, uh,who's a light worker.
She's kind of new to it.
She doesn't really do it forbusiness, she just does it
because she's incredibly psychicand she has to like it's just
not really a you know, it's notreally a choice, um, and she is
clearing out a lot of probablynegative energies from traumatic
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experiences, okay, and sherecently had something shown to
her in a dream visually that was, frankly, probably mortifying
and I think it was actuallymolestation, her experience in
molestation.
She was shown this in a dreamand I know that with through the
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dream stuff is that it'sirrelevant what the topic is.
A lot of times we're shown itin a way that feels distant from
us, so that we will take thatin and understand that that is
something we're dealing with.
But if in the dream you are putin that position, that means
you are so much more ready.
I don't know the details of herdreams, I don't know what her
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position was in the dream, butshe was messaging me today and,
frankly, she's in a whirlwind ofdefinitely two in her mind.
I mean, as can be very muchexpected.
I think I would like to touch onthis a little bit Because I
think people outside of theenergy working world sometimes
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they have a hard time seeingwhat I believe to.
What I believe is honestlygenuine truth, which is
everything around us is areflection of what's going on
inside, right?
So, given any particularsituation, you know there's some
really horrible things that canhappen, that can be objectively
stated that this is a terriblething to have happen, but that
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doesn't mean that somebody islike causing it to happen.
Right?
You know what I'm saying, butin a way they kind of are.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Okay, I'm not sure if I, when you say that they're
not causing it to happen, do you?
Oh, oh, okay, let's take adramatic one.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Let's say that somebody gets raped.
Are you, are we saying that ifthey are raped, they cause it to
happen?
No, not literally, notphysically right, but they have
thought processes or they haveemotions that are leading them
into a situation where that mayoccur, whereas if they dealt
with those emotions orsituations or you know, whatever
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, all this stuff behind energy,work behind it, right then would
they come into that situation?
No, they wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That's what that is exactly what my belief is as
well.
Yes, and, and I I also believethat sometimes we um create a
blueprint.
Well, we always create somesort of blueprint, before we
come into our physical bodies,of, hey, these are the lessons
that I'm coming to earth tolearn, and so we create these
scenarios, and I feel like, hadthe individual already learned
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whatever that was, they wouldn'thave called that scene to them
because they wouldn't haveneeded to learn whatever it was,
and so I would never put faulton that person.
But yes, I agree with you thatwe call those on a subconscious
level to us in order to learnsomething huge.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
So, and what do you think, what do you have to say
about children who experienceterrible things like cancer or,
you know, sexual molestation orsomething like that?
Right Like, what do you say?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
So devastating and at the same time, I also believe
that children can come in tohelp teach those around them
lessons of love.
You know lessons as well, andso what a huge, strong spirit to
be able to come in and holdsomething like that in order for
the people around them to growand learn.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, as well as themselves.
Exactly yeah, but being theperson in it, as I mean as a
woman, we know when hormones getoff it can be hell, right, like
so.
I would say the same thing.
I would say the exact samething is that's a?
That is a description of, maybe, how it works, but experiencing
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it's very different, verysimilar to being aware of, let's
even just say, these energetichits or, you know, clairvoyance
or something like that.
You've got something coming in.
It's not the same as talkingabout it.
So right now we're just talkingabout it, right, it's not's not
the same thing as experiencingit, and it's it is.
It can be really, really rough.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Absolutely yes.
So not to take away from any ofthat and, at the same time, you
know, all of these things thatare can be so true, that are
very traumatic.
They're the things that youknow help us to grow and change
and become who we truly are.
Because, as the wood brotherssing in the song, happiness
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jones I don't know if you knowit, I don't know, but he says,
you know, I've never grown frombeing happy unfortunately, it's
the things that put us throughthe ringer that help us to grow
and learn and change andhopefully come even closer into
love and who we really are.
So if we look at it that way,then nothing is ever really bad.
(24:06):
I mean, yes, it feels bad.
Do you know what I'm?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
saying yeah, and actually exactly yes.
And I think when somebody comesto a bigger awareness,
essentially we all get to thatplace at some point, but it's
it's this awareness that we areall connected and we are all.
You know.
Like, frankly, when I studiedastrology at first and I started
looking at everybody's chartsand so you, you know you look
(24:32):
for different things, but one ofthe things you look for is
struggle, like what is it that'shard for you, because that's
what people care about, right,like that's what I care about.
A lot of people care about that.
So I would look and I would seesomething in me and it would be
like really touchy, like oh, Idon't know if I like that, I
don't know if I want to believethat, I don't know if that's
actually right, that might bewrong.
But then I started looking atother people's charts and what I
(24:54):
knew of them and what theirexperiences had been, because
I'm the outsider and it's notquite so personal Like, oh yeah,
that's totally it.
So as I go through and I startlooking at more charts, then you
realize, oh, everybody's gottheir own stuff to deal with,
including me.
I just happen to be one of them.
And so when you get to thatplace, you can even have
(25:15):
compassion for this person whoplayed a particular role in your
life.
That doesn't mean you keepgoing back to them or anything
like that.
It just means you understandthat there's a purpose behind it
and start asking how is thisfor me?
How am I going to make thisbetter?
Then you really start to getwhere okay, now I can.
Now you can start to transmutethat energy.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yes, and what a huge lesson that is.
You know, because people talkabout karma and it's like, oh
well, maybe I called that inbecause I deserved it or
whatever.
But you can actually transmutekarma if you ask those exact
questions like how can this befor my highest good, you know?
Or what can I learn from this?
Or, you know, and us withforgiveness and and compassion,
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like you said, and and if wegosh, girl, and if we can come
to that awareness, the peacethat we eventually feel in our
hearts, no matter what's goingon around us, how freeing, is
that Actually one of my genekeys?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I don't know which one it is because I haven't
memorized them, but one of mygene keys has something to do
with this.
I'm not sure if it's 26.
If it's 26, a whole lot ofpeople have it.
26 is, I think, it's fear oflike not enough.
I'm really sure.
I don't really remember exactlywhat it is, but a lot of people
have it and it's fear.
I know that and it's it's fear.
I know that.
(26:39):
One of the ways that RichardRudd talks about in his little
contemplations is that kind ofstuff stays there.
If you continue to believe thatthat freedom is outside of you,
right, okay.
But if you turn that around andrealize that the freedom is
within you, then it's completelygone.
(27:01):
It has no hold on you, right.
But realizing that over andover, every time you're
triggered because somebody saysor does something you know is a
different experience thanintellectualizing it, right.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Oh, definitely, definitely, yeah.
Oh man, there's so much powerin owning all the things you
know like owning even you knowthe fear, whatever it is, fear
of feeling uncomfortableemotions.
You know that well, I'm the onefeeling them and if I can just
feel them fully and move throughit, there's so much freedom and
(27:36):
power in that, because you'renot putting it outside yourself
or giving it to somebody else totake care of, or someone else's
validation to make me feelbetter.
It's all within us and that's,yeah, that's so freeing.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Well, let's touch on what you just touched on,
because that's a really big deal, like huge, huge deal, and
again, I think it's one of thosethings that we can talk about
and we can say, oh, this is howit works.
But to actually do it is anentirely different thing, which
I know that you've been workingon, because you shared with me
what you've been doing recently.
So this idea of feeling afeeling that's uncomfortable and
(28:14):
, like you said, allow yourselfto feel it fully.
But I think what I know itcertainly has happened to me and
I've seen it happen with otherpeople too is that until
something's really brought toyour attention, like for me even
, I mean I'm not young, right,okay, and I had these dream
interpretations and he's likeyou know, this is how you feel
(28:35):
about your dad, or this is howyou feel about your mom, and I'm
like what?
I don't know what you'retalking about at first.
Then it took two weeks and Iwas like, oh wait, he's right.
Not only is he right, but Ididn't tell anybody ever, right,
but it's coming through thesubconscious.
So that's how we know that it'sactually there.
Um, and even recognizing thatyou have a feeling that you're
(28:56):
not even feeling how do you getthere?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, that's a great question, and it's about being
allowing time for silence andallowing time for yourself to
just be, and that means evenmaybe shutting, you know, not
even reading a book, but justsitting in quiet and breathing.
You know, that's where a lot ofpeople get addicted to doing
(29:24):
and they don't realize it'sbecause, subconsciously, if they
slow down, they're going tohave to face something or feel
something.
Yeah, so it's so simple.
It is about slowing the F down.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So I completely agree with that.
And so in this past year I'vebeen working on, recently been
working on feeling thosefeelings all the way through,
allowing them to be okay, butalso there's an intention of
being in the space of I'm goingto call it creation, but
(30:01):
basically it's being in theenergy of what it is you hope
for, in a sense Like, maybe youdon't have this right, you want
to be in this new kind of energyand so allowing yourself to
kind of if it was negative, wewould say wallow, but like,
almost like play in that energy.
If it was negative, we would saywallow, but like, almost like
play in that energy.
And as that has been presentedto me in different ways from
(30:23):
different people, it is like theeasiest thing because what it
reminds me of is just going backto what you did as a child.
Right, you listen to music thatyou like, you piddled, or you
know like you know you couldn'tsay I did these five things in
the last hour like an adult does, but you still had fun, you
know, you still enjoyed themoment.
And so I actually I've noticedthat even I know what you're
(30:48):
talking about, the doing likewhen you start to recognize,
okay, I want to go do somethingright now because this is
uncomfortable.
Just pay attention to what itis that's uncomfortable for you.
But.
But playing in that fun spacedoesn't either have to be like a
specific way.
It can be whatever you want itto be.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Like, yes, that's so important.
What you bring up is to yes, weneed to feel our feelings fully
and get them expressed fully,but then we don't want to wallow
in that, we don't want to getstuck in those repetitive, you
know, thought patterns andfeelings, and so we want to pay
attention to what we're thinkingwhen we start to feel that we
want to feel it fully.
(31:24):
But then playfulness, doingthings that make you feel good,
are great ways to then start tocreate those new neural pathways
in your brain so that you canstart to come out of it or start
to even transmute thosefeelings and emotions and and
and a space of gratitude, justbeing grateful for not only the
(31:45):
things that are great in yourlife right now but, like you
mentioned, things that we can'tsee yet with our physical eyes
but that we want to to haveeventually and be grateful for
that as though it's already here.
So that's a great way to getyourself out of the feeling once
you've felt it fully.
But both are very important tobe able to feel the anger and
(32:06):
the sadness and then to be ableto bring yourself out and right,
there is personal power.
That is you being able.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
That's freedom.
That's real freedom, like itdoesn't matter what you give to
me because I can do this.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
And it doesn't matter what's going on around you
there could be war going onaround you and you have the
ability to go within and feelwhat you need to feel and then
change it.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Actually, you know that you say war.
I really love that.
The reason I love that isbecause a lot of people who are
on this kind of path, like on aspiritual path, like that's the
predominant focus for them.
So these are the kind of peoplethat would be geared to look
for this podcast and listen toit.
Right, a lot of them and Ilearned this more.
It's not that I didn't know it,but it was said outright
(32:53):
straight to my face repeatedlyin this dream course.
But a lot of us choose likeyou're talking about soul
contracts we kind of choose tocome into lives that are tough
for whatever reason, and thephysical body becomes that thing
(33:13):
that you can't ignore.
So when they're dealing withthat and then they take it to
the spiritual level, then theystart to realize oh, this is all
connected.
So with that, people who areoftentimes on these spiritual
paths have great difficulty,especially with digestion Like
and you know what themetaphysical reason behind that
(33:34):
is you can't digest life Likeand you know what the
metaphysical reason behind thatis you can't digest life Like so
life is hard, life is terribleor whatever right, and it's hard
to swallow, it's hard to digest, and I'm in that band.
I just realized I've had IBSfor now.
It's been like 30 years, youknow, yeah, and it's not a fun
experience, but it does work tobe in the present moment.
(33:56):
So let's go back to the bodything that you were mentioning
prior.
I don't think we hit record atthe beginning of it, but you
were talking about.
You said the body is almostlike the last place that it
comes up.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Talk more about that Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yeah, so these
things that make usuncomfortable start as thoughts
and then it moves it.
You know, thoughts create ouremotions and if we don't express
our emotion so this is reallyinteresting Our we actually have
the ability to process traumain 90 seconds If we're willing
(34:31):
to feel the emotion at, you know, when it comes up, fully,
without judgment.
But if we don't do that, whichmost of us don't, and we kind of
continue to ignore it or allthe things you know, keep doing
excessively, eating, maybe,binge, watching TV too much,
whatever it is, and not feelingit, it starts to show up in our
(34:54):
body.
And it can show up in so manyways, you know, and eventually,
if we don't look at it and dealwith it, it can turn into this
disease.
You know, and this kind of tiesinto what we were talking about
earlier.
Was I the one that caused thisdisease?
And I think, on the biggerpicture, yeah, you know, but not
(35:16):
to blame yourself or shameyourself, but to use it as wow,
how can I use this to learn andto grow and to shift and change?
But you know, so these thingsdo show up in the body and it's
really important for us to calmour nervous system, you know,
and use somatic tools in orderto help us heal From breath,
(35:39):
work to tapping I think that'scalled EFT.
That's really helpful.
Dancing, sometimes shakingstuff off, things that help our
body to release and let go arereally important to help to calm
that nervous system and helpheal.
And they seem like littlethings but they help so much.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
They really are.
And I find it interesting yousaid that about the shaking,
because if anybody's been aroundany listener has been around
somebody, that just creeps themout pretty much.
Most people will spontaneouslyshake, just like when they get
out of the space.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
It just comes naturally.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, there's a reason for that yeah, and
actually as I do the qigong,more and more I start to
recognize that the physicalmovements that are qigong are
really just.
I mean, they're what kids?
Do you just let a kid dowhatever they want to do?
They move like that.
They instantaneously know Ineed to go, you know I'm going
to go swing my arms or you knowlike I'm going to, whatever they
(36:43):
are.
It's more of like a naturalkind of response to the world
and we spend so much time saying, oh be, still, stop talking.
You know, do these things toconform so that you'll fit in
and be as miserable as the restof us yeah, let's start breaking
that pattern.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, so, man, man, yeah.
And just the more we're aware,the more we can learn and grow
and share these cool things, andthe more, the more we'll see
these cool things happening yeah, so when somebody's dealing
with trauma, what do you do?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
you have like, can you say, like one thing that
would help them the absolutemost?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Allow yourself to feel the emotion that comes with
that trauma, be it sadness, beit anger.
With that trauma, be it sadness, be it anger, and then feel it
fully, without attaching thestory to it, without judging
yourself for feeling it, andthen choose a new thought.
(37:49):
You know, do something playful,do a dance, whatever brings you
joy, do that, that and then,and then notice if it comes back
again, notice what you'rethinking about.
Are you thinking about thestory, are you thinking about
the, the event, again and again,and and you have the ability to
(38:10):
choose a new thought.
And it becomes easier andeasier to do that the more you
can sit in in quiet and justtake time to be still, and take
time to just slow down, and itwill happen, thanks for
listening to this episode ofMystical and Infamous Podcast
(38:35):
with the Happy Lion Centercom.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
That's podcast at happylioncentercom.
Hello, this is Blair Stanislao with the Happy Lion
Center.
Welcome to our podcast Mysticaland Infamous, where we have
playful and easy conversationsabout anything mystical, getting
to the heart of all things,strange and weird.
Join us in a bit of magicaltomfoolery, spreading the
alchemy of love and light.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And now we invite you to enjoy the show and light,
and now we invite you to enjoythe show.
I want to say it really reallystarted when I was a massage
therapist, giving a massage toone of my regular clients, when
all of a sudden, a message cameto me, and it was that his knot
in his shoulder that had beenthere for a while wasn't from
(00:44):
him sitting at his computereight hours a day, but that
something significant washappening in his relationship.
And I just blurted it outwithout thinking about it and I
didn't know where thisinformation came from and he
didn't say anything, and so Ithought, oh my God, I put my
foot in my mouth and he's nevergoing to come back.
(01:05):
But lo and behold, he came backthe next week and he said
Celine, my wife has beencheating on me and I don't know
what to do about it.
And he's like I don't know howyou felt that, but he's like
that's what it is.
And from that moment forward Iwas like, okay, I'm onto
something here.
I'm tapping into what's evendeeper than what's showing up in
(01:28):
our bodies, and I started toreally put together that it's
our bodies that are really kindof the last place where things
show up.
So I ended up going to schoolto hone those skills and become
a certified clairvoyant, whichsounds kind of funny.
But since then I've had a lotof mystical, cool experiences
(01:52):
and yeah.
So I just thought it'd be coolto talk about some of those and
if you've had any, I'd love tohear about those.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Let's talk about that .
It's kind of funny because, asI'm thinking about a potential
event that's that might becoming forth and this idea of
like knowing where you get theinformation from.
And so if you're exposed to anyof those kinds of things like
you're talking about, eventuallyyou get the language to say
(02:21):
it's channeling right.
If you don't have some sort ofpreconceived opinion about if
it's good or bad or anythinglike that, it's channeling.
So what all that means isconnecting to spirit and
bringing it forth right, right.
What I find really interestingis how people bring it in
differently, not only because oftheir personality personality
(02:44):
but because of, like thesituation.
Like there there are somepeople when they channel, you
know they have this wholeceremony, maybe they have a dark
room.
I've seen a documentary onnetflix.
It's really pretty cool.
It's all about this stuff and,um, they're I don't know what, I
forgot what they call it butbasically this woman sits in a
chair in a room and there's likea curtain around it, I don't
know why and then they have likepeople in a circle and she's
(03:06):
channeling for them I've seensomething similar to that, right
, but they also have like theycall it something plasm.
It's like goo and stuff thatcomes out of the physical body.
So plasm, that's what it is.
Yeah, so it's like you knowghostbusters.
Yeah, so there's that.
You could do it like that,right.
Or you could be creating apiece of artwork and then know
(03:28):
what color to put down, or youwalk up to people that you know
and they're upset and you knowwhat to say, right, like it's,
it kind of depends on you,people around you and all of
that.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, all the circumstance, yeah, the whole
circumstance.
It could be something, like yousaid, where you're really kind
of in that zone, the silent zonewhere you do a meditation, or
you can get in the zone when youare creating art, playing music
, you know whatever get walkingin nature and then sometimes you
can have experiences that arejust very random, like well, I'm
(04:05):
sure I was in the zone giving amassage that day, but one okay,
here's something when my firstdog, who I was really really
close to, of course, like shewas my baby, and went everywhere
with me, she died right aroundwinter solstice of 2013.
And this is when I live nearRed Rocks here in Colorado and I
(04:30):
had to put her down rightaround four in the morning and
the person I was with at thetime said let's go watch the
sunrise at Red Rocks after weput her down.
And so we went to Red Rocks andit was so cool because the
rocks were sticking up over theclouds, the clouds were just
below it and it was like thisthe whole scene was mystical and
(04:51):
this black bird flew in frontof me and I knew without a
shadow of a doubt that that wasmy dog bell saying mom, I'm free
, I don't hurt anymore and I'mgood.
So that was the symbol I tookas her.
And then a few weeks later I wasdriving past Red Rocks going
home and I was listening to theradio, as I always do, and the
(05:16):
song Blackbird by the Beatlescame on, and of course I'm
thinking of my belly boo.
And as the song was on, thenumbers on my radio station
changed from the numbers to astar and a question mark and a
star and all these symbols I'venever seen on my radio before
during the song.
And then as soon as the songended it went back to the radio
(05:39):
station numbers and I knew thatwas a sign from her too that
she's here.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Oh yeah you know, I'm going to share one similar to
that.
Um, I was going, what was Igoing to?
I think I was actually going tothe first.
These people were calling it agallery, which is basically it's
mediumship.
Right, a gallery is a euphemism.
I think I could be wrong for aseance or something like that.
(06:06):
Right, okay, these people, theywere evidential mediums and
they were practicing and tryingto grow their, their experience
or business or whatever, and Iwas.
I just happened to know them,so I went to support them and I
had a relatively it was a usedtruck, but it was new to me and
(06:27):
it was like new enough thatthere would be nothing wrong
with it.
And I was driving down the roadand the radio was playing and
then it changed to a differentstation and I looked at it and I
thought, no, this is not thefirst time it happened, right.
So I looked at it and I waslike wait a minute, did I push a
button wrong or did I touchsomething?
I didn't know?
And I thought through all that,I'm like, no, I did not.
So I think I tried to change itor something and it went back
(06:51):
and I was like, okay, there's amessage, right.
So I listened to the song and soI actually get songs like that
a lot and I I actually have aplaylist of them, and at that
point it had only been a coupleyears since my, my husband died
and I knew that these weremessages from him, right, like I
just knew it and uh, anyways,that's that's for me.
(07:11):
That's how it comes through,like, honestly, in the last year
, uh, even just the last sixmonths, I finally got, finally
got.
I'm not gonna say it was amessage, I don't know if it was
a message or it was arealization or something but if
you take love songs and, insteadof listening to them like it's
a man and a woman or whoever itis that's romantically involved,
(07:33):
take it as a love song to youfrom your true self, then you're
like, oh, that's it Right,because you're not looking
outside of yourself.
And so I have actuallycurrently have a song on repeat
that is just like that is theepitome of that.
(07:55):
Do you mind sharing it?
Absolutely, it's OK.
So I think you say the nameSade, but it's S-A-D-E, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Sade, oh, my dad loves her.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, a lot of people do, and this song is by your
Side.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Oh, I already want to cry just from the title.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I've had it on repeat for quite a while, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's so cool.
You get messages from songs andit's so much huger than we
realize, you saying like,instead of looking outside
ourselves for that validationand the love but to go within
and find it within us.
You know, the more we do thatand practice that, I feel, the
more we have these mysticalexperiences and these
(08:42):
synchronicities.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, I think that the more you notice them, the
more you do wind up.
Oh, I don't know.
I'm not saying you're notgetting.
I still think you're gettingthem oh, and they're still there
.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
But I think your awareness is more sharp with
them, like you start to noticethem more and more oh, this is
funny, you'll like this.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
So same in reverse.
That, let's put this in reverse.
Okay, blair, you need to fixthis.
So I was upset with my husbandthis weekend and we were gonna
go somewhere and I was like, ah,just go without me, I don't
want to go.
And then he convinced me to go,and so we get in the vehicle,
and the vehicle we took is a1997 truck.
Okay, so it's that old, it has.
(09:22):
It had just been worked.
But that's here and we're there.
We're driving down the road.
We only have to go about sevento 10 minutes and we get to the
first stoplight and I'm stillreally upset, really angry.
I had two hair clips with me andI put them in the dash and this
noise starts happening.
I'm like, okay, I'm going topick those up to see if that's
(09:43):
the noise that we're hearing.
You know.
I picked him up and then hesays is it, was that the clips?
And I said, no, it's still aclip, I've got the clips right
here, it's not the clips.
And so the car started making,the truck started making more
noise.
We were, we were, I don't know.
We did stop once and then hesaid, oh, we're going to make it
.
You've only got to make it onemore mile.
(10:05):
So he hits the gas and we goand it's really just getting
louder.
It's not like I mean the thingwasn't blowing up or anything,
but you knew something was wrongwith it, right, and we go, and
then we had to stop at the nextlight and we stopped and like a
second and a half later thething just died, right, and I'm
like, ooh that well, thatdoesn't happen all that often
(10:25):
for us, right, but on the energyplane, there's a lot of things
that have been said that I haveheard it.
I tend to lean towards yeah,this is probably a reality.
Much like the body.
Uh, I was like, oh, yeah, itmeans this is like a clear
signal you need to stop this,right.
Like so, is it me being angryor is it something he's doing
(10:47):
Cause it's his truck?
You know, it's like my mind isgoing crazy and through the rest
of that experience which wastechnically really was all fine,
wasn't really that big of adeal, but we weren't dead
stopped in the middle of thehighway, he starts talking about
what the situation is.
He knew that the radiator wasleaking, I guess, or something
was off, and he had beenchecking it and he's very good
with vehicles and things likethat.
(11:07):
And then he's describing it tome.
He's like blah, blah, blah, thecooling system.
And I was like, oh yeah, that'sit, that's me, cause I'm so
angry, I'm like losing my gripon you know, like I've lost my
cool completely today.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, girl, that makes so much sense and you're
so right.
That's so on the energeticlevel when anything happens like
that, including accidents,right Well, accidents.
Quote unquote they're justsigns from the universe that are
kind of reflections of yourenergy to say whoa, wait a
second, there's something youneed to get here, right, yeah,
(11:47):
yeah, absolutely.
Here's a weird thing that'sbeen happening to me lately.
Okay, this is really strange,out of nowhere.
Oh, there's my breathing Umlet's do it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Let's do it.
Since we're doing this, let'sdo that.
Is that okay?
Will you lead it?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yes, absolutely.
So we're going to do thealternate nostril breath which
we did last time I got to seeyou, and that is where we plug
one nostril at a time.
I like to use thumb and ringfinger and I like to put my
middle finger and pointy fingerright above my right on my third
eye, and we're going to use thethumb to block the right
(12:22):
nostril and we're going tobreathe in through the left.
Hold for just a moment andexhale slowly through the right
(12:54):
and slowly exhale through theleft, in through the left and
out the right, in the right, outthe left, and one more in
(13:31):
through the left and out throughthe right, and let's just
return to your normal breathingand notice how you feel.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
More in my body, definitely less in my head.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Good, me too.
I feel like I slowed down anotch or two, actually, which is
good.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Okay, so can we remember what we were talking
about.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, cause this is so strange.
Yes, I can remember out ofnowhere Like I'll just be, for
instance, like watching a showor taking a walk, and all of a
sudden I have this weird visionand it's not really clear, but
the gist of it is a rake or somesharp tool is coming at my
(14:29):
eyeballs and poking my eyeballsout and I'm like, okay, so
that's happened now probablyfour or five times over the last
six months, or maybe less fouror five times over the last six
months, or maybe less four orfive times over the last few
months.
And I'm like, what the heck?
And I was just talking tosomeone about it last night and
(14:49):
they're like, well, celine, whatis it you're not wanting to see
?
And I was like, oh no, I haven'tgotten it, but I but I posed
the question to the universe andI think when you at least pose
the question, you'll get I'mgoing to get an answer
eventually.
I'm not quite sure what it isyet, but oh, oh, hold, hold the
phone.
(15:09):
Actually, yes, the first thingthat came to me last night was,
when I posed the question, thatI was afraid to see my success
or my power, instead of theother way around.
Like, like there's a fear ofseeing how powerful I am and how
(15:34):
bright.
Yeah, so that was the firstthing.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I also kind of wonder if?
Because when you so, I askedthe dream interpretation
instructor the guy he's reallygood.
I actually asked him over thefirst weekend, like the open
weekend there he does like amasterclass kind of thing and
the answer is very clear and itwas straight boom, that was just
the answer and it was becausehe was talking about dreams.
(15:59):
And I said and how does thisdiffer from from when you have,
you're in meditation and youhave a vision, or you have to
have a clairvoyant vision orsomething like that?
And he says it doesn't, so it'sall the same.
So we could use the sameinterpretations and if we were
to do that, anything with theeyes is about your clairvoyance,
which corresponds with youdeveloping your clairvoyance.
(16:20):
Wait, the clairvoyance is theseeing right?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
It is seeing.
Yeah, clear seeing.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Okay, and so I was kind of thinking seeing with
your third eye instead of seeingwith the physical eyes, of
seeing with the physical eyes,like encouraging you to remove
that, that physical sense, youknow, like making a choice to
(16:47):
say, okay, I'm not going to seeit with my physical senses, I'm
going to see it with a third eyewhich you see entirely
different things, right?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Oh, absolutely Like.
Yes, your perspective is somuch broader when you can look
through your third eye, andthank you for sharing that with
me, because that makes a lot ofsense with what I've been going
through lately.
Yeah, so yeah, thank you, rake,poking my eyes out vision as
morbid as that was.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Oh, yeah, it's not that bad.
I mean, dreams can be crazy.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't even know, like thereare things that happen.
I kind of wondered, like Ithink, if I had probably shared
with my husband oh, this is,this is about one of us one of
us, of course that I'm in thevehicle and the vehicle dies.
I'm not in that vehicle all thetime.
Right, I definitely think ithas more to do with me than with
(17:36):
him.
I don't know.
I kind of wondered like howmuch you know.
A lot of times, what we'retalking about is how we operate,
like we look for those signsand we make micro adjustments
based on those things.
I wonder, you know, likesomebody who's not in this realm
, or if it's new to them, howhow would they take that?
(18:02):
How would they say, okay,you're, you're reading into
things, you know, or you're,you're just something that's not
really there?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, because you know.
But really everything isneutral and nothing has meaning
until it's the meaning we giveit.
Right, you know we give thingsmeaning and I don't know.
So it's a weird thing to thinkabout.
However, what comes to me astruth is if the meaning you give
(18:31):
it helps or comes from a placeof love.
That that's probably the truth,you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
So I'm going to bring this into the conversation just
because it happened to me thismorning.
I have a friend who is, uh,who's a light worker.
She's kind of new to it.
She doesn't really do it forbusiness, she just does it
because she's incredibly psychicand she has to like it's just
not really a you know, it's notreally a choice, um, and she is
clearing out a lot of probablynegative energies from traumatic
(19:07):
experiences, okay, and sherecently had something shown to
her in a dream visually that was, frankly, probably mortifying
and I think it was actuallymolestation, her experience in
molestation.
She was shown this in a dreamand I know that with through the
(19:28):
dream stuff is that it'sirrelevant what the topic is.
A lot of times we're shown itin a way that feels distant from
us, so that we will take thatin and understand that that is
something we're dealing with.
But if in the dream you are putin that position, that means
you are so much more ready.
I don't know the details of herdreams, I don't know what her
(19:50):
position was in the dream, butshe was messaging me today and,
frankly, she's in a whirlwind ofdefinitely two in her mind.
I mean, as can be very muchexpected.
I think I would like to touch onthis a little bit Because I
think people outside of theenergy working world sometimes
(20:15):
they have a hard time seeingwhat I believe to.
What I believe is honestlygenuine truth, which is
everything around us is areflection of what's going on
inside, right?
So, given any particularsituation, you know there's some
really horrible things that canhappen, that can be objectively
stated that this is a terriblething to have happen, but that
(20:40):
doesn't mean that somebody islike causing it to happen.
Right?
You know what I'm saying, butin a way they kind of are.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Okay, I'm not sure if I, when you say that they're
not causing it to happen, do you?
Oh, oh, okay, let's take adramatic one.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Let's say that somebody gets raped.
Are you, are we saying that ifthey are raped, they cause it to
happen?
No, not literally, notphysically right, but they have
thought processes or they haveemotions that are leading them
into a situation where that mayoccur, whereas if they dealt
with those emotions orsituations or you know, whatever
(21:20):
, all this stuff behind energy,work behind it, right then would
they come into that situation?
No, they wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That's what that is exactly what my belief is as
well.
Yes, and, and I I also believethat sometimes we um create a
blueprint.
Well, we always create somesort of blueprint, before we
come into our physical bodies,of, hey, these are the lessons
that I'm coming to earth tolearn, and so we create these
scenarios, and I feel like, hadthe individual already learned
(21:48):
whatever that was, they wouldn'thave called that scene to them
because they wouldn't haveneeded to learn whatever it was,
and so I would never put faulton that person.
But yes, I agree with you thatwe call those on a subconscious
level to us in order to learnsomething huge.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
So, and what do you think, what do you have to say
about children who experienceterrible things like cancer or,
you know, sexual molestation orsomething like that?
Right Like, what do you say?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
So devastating and at the same time, I also believe
that children can come in tohelp teach those around them
lessons of love.
You know lessons as well, andso what a huge, strong spirit to
be able to come in and holdsomething like that in order for
the people around them to growand learn.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, as well as themselves.
Exactly yeah, but being theperson in it, as I mean as a
woman, we know when hormones getoff it can be hell, right, like
so.
I would say the same thing.
I would say the exact samething is that's a?
That is a description of, maybe, how it works, but experiencing
(23:03):
it's very different, verysimilar to being aware of, let's
even just say, these energetichits or, you know, clairvoyance
or something like that.
You've got something coming in.
It's not the same as talkingabout it.
So right now we're just talkingabout it, right, it's not's not
the same thing as experiencingit, and it's it is.
It can be really, really rough.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Absolutely yes.
So not to take away from any ofthat and, at the same time, you
know, all of these things thatare can be so true, that are
very traumatic.
They're the things that youknow help us to grow and change
and become who we truly are.
Because, as the wood brotherssing in the song, happiness
(23:46):
jones I don't know if you knowit, I don't know, but he says,
you know, I've never grown frombeing happy unfortunately, it's
the things that put us throughthe ringer that help us to grow
and learn and change andhopefully come even closer into
love and who we really are.
So if we look at it that way,then nothing is ever really bad.
(24:06):
I mean, yes, it feels bad.
Do you know what I'm?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
saying yeah, and actually exactly yes.
And I think when somebody comesto a bigger awareness,
essentially we all get to thatplace at some point, but it's
it's this awareness that we areall connected and we are all.
You know.
Like, frankly, when I studiedastrology at first and I started
looking at everybody's chartsand so you, you know you look
(24:32):
for different things, but one ofthe things you look for is
struggle, like what is it that'shard for you, because that's
what people care about, right,like that's what I care about.
A lot of people care about that.
So I would look and I would seesomething in me and it would be
like really touchy, like oh, Idon't know if I like that, I
don't know if I want to believethat, I don't know if that's
actually right, that might bewrong.
But then I started looking atother people's charts and what I
(24:54):
knew of them and what theirexperiences had been, because
I'm the outsider and it's notquite so personal Like, oh yeah,
that's totally it.
So as I go through and I startlooking at more charts, then you
realize, oh, everybody's gottheir own stuff to deal with,
including me.
I just happen to be one of them.
And so when you get to thatplace, you can even have
(25:15):
compassion for this person whoplayed a particular role in your
life.
That doesn't mean you keepgoing back to them or anything
like that.
It just means you understandthat there's a purpose behind it
and start asking how is thisfor me?
How am I going to make thisbetter?
Then you really start to getwhere okay, now I can.
Now you can start to transmutethat energy.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yes, and what a huge lesson that is.
You know, because people talkabout karma and it's like, oh
well, maybe I called that inbecause I deserved it or
whatever.
But you can actually transmutekarma if you ask those exact
questions like how can this befor my highest good, you know?
Or what can I learn from this?
Or, you know, and us withforgiveness and and compassion,
(26:00):
like you said, and and if wegosh, girl, and if we can come
to that awareness, the peacethat we eventually feel in our
hearts, no matter what's goingon around us, how freeing, is
that Actually one of my genekeys?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I don't know which one it is because I haven't
memorized them, but one of mygene keys has something to do
with this.
I'm not sure if it's 26.
If it's 26, a whole lot ofpeople have it.
26 is, I think, it's fear oflike not enough.
I'm really sure.
I don't really remember exactlywhat it is, but a lot of people
have it and it's fear.
I know that and it's it's fear.
I know that.
(26:39):
One of the ways that RichardRudd talks about in his little
contemplations is that kind ofstuff stays there.
If you continue to believe thatthat freedom is outside of you,
right, okay.
But if you turn that around andrealize that the freedom is
within you, then it's completelygone.
(27:01):
It has no hold on you, right.
But realizing that over andover, every time you're
triggered because somebody saysor does something you know is a
different experience thanintellectualizing it, right.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Oh, definitely, definitely, yeah.
Oh man, there's so much powerin owning all the things you
know like owning even you knowthe fear, whatever it is, fear
of feeling uncomfortableemotions.
You know that well, I'm the onefeeling them and if I can just
feel them fully and move throughit, there's so much freedom and
(27:36):
power in that, because you'renot putting it outside yourself
or giving it to somebody else totake care of, or someone else's
validation to make me feelbetter.
It's all within us and that's,yeah, that's so freeing.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Well, let's touch on what you just touched on,
because that's a really big deal, like huge, huge deal, and
again, I think it's one of thosethings that we can talk about
and we can say, oh, this is howit works.
But to actually do it is anentirely different thing, which
I know that you've been workingon, because you shared with me
what you've been doing recently.
So this idea of feeling afeeling that's uncomfortable and
(28:14):
, like you said, allow yourselfto feel it fully.
But I think what I know itcertainly has happened to me and
I've seen it happen with otherpeople too is that until
something's really brought toyour attention, like for me even
, I mean I'm not young, right,okay, and I had these dream
interpretations and he's likeyou know, this is how you feel
(28:35):
about your dad, or this is howyou feel about your mom, and I'm
like what?
I don't know what you'retalking about at first.
Then it took two weeks and Iwas like, oh wait, he's right.
Not only is he right, but Ididn't tell anybody ever, right,
but it's coming through thesubconscious.
So that's how we know that it'sactually there.
Um, and even recognizing thatyou have a feeling that you're
(28:56):
not even feeling how do you getthere?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, that's a great question, and it's about being
allowing time for silence andallowing time for yourself to
just be, and that means evenmaybe shutting, you know, not
even reading a book, but justsitting in quiet and breathing.
You know, that's where a lot ofpeople get addicted to doing
(29:24):
and they don't realize it'sbecause, subconsciously, if they
slow down, they're going tohave to face something or feel
something.
Yeah, so it's so simple.
It is about slowing the F down.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So I completely agree with that.
And so in this past year I'vebeen working on, recently been
working on feeling thosefeelings all the way through,
allowing them to be okay, butalso there's an intention of
being in the space of I'm goingto call it creation, but
(30:01):
basically it's being in theenergy of what it is you hope
for, in a sense Like, maybe youdon't have this right, you want
to be in this new kind of energyand so allowing yourself to
kind of if it was negative, wewould say wallow, but like,
almost like play in that energy.
If it was negative, we would saywallow, but like, almost like
play in that energy.
And as that has been presentedto me in different ways from
(30:23):
different people, it is like theeasiest thing because what it
reminds me of is just going backto what you did as a child.
Right, you listen to music thatyou like, you piddled, or you
know like you know you couldn'tsay I did these five things in
the last hour like an adult does, but you still had fun, you
know, you still enjoyed themoment.
And so I actually I've noticedthat even I know what you're
(30:48):
talking about, the doing likewhen you start to recognize,
okay, I want to go do somethingright now because this is
uncomfortable.
Just pay attention to what itis that's uncomfortable for you.
But.
But playing in that fun spacedoesn't either have to be like a
specific way.
It can be whatever you want itto be.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Like, yes, that's so important.
What you bring up is to yes, weneed to feel our feelings fully
and get them expressed fully,but then we don't want to wallow
in that, we don't want to getstuck in those repetitive, you
know, thought patterns andfeelings, and so we want to pay
attention to what we're thinkingwhen we start to feel that we
want to feel it fully.
(31:24):
But then playfulness, doingthings that make you feel good,
are great ways to then start tocreate those new neural pathways
in your brain so that you canstart to come out of it or start
to even transmute thosefeelings and emotions and and
and a space of gratitude, justbeing grateful for not only the
(31:45):
things that are great in yourlife right now but, like you
mentioned, things that we can'tsee yet with our physical eyes
but that we want to to haveeventually and be grateful for
that as though it's already here.
So that's a great way to getyourself out of the feeling once
you've felt it fully.
But both are very important tobe able to feel the anger and
(32:06):
the sadness and then to be ableto bring yourself out and right,
there is personal power.
That is you being able.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
That's freedom.
That's real freedom, like itdoesn't matter what you give to
me because I can do this.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
And it doesn't matter what's going on around you
there could be war going onaround you and you have the
ability to go within and feelwhat you need to feel and then
change it.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Actually, you know that you say war.
I really love that.
The reason I love that isbecause a lot of people who are
on this kind of path, like on aspiritual path, like that's the
predominant focus for them.
So these are the kind of peoplethat would be geared to look
for this podcast and listen toit.
Right, a lot of them and Ilearned this more.
It's not that I didn't know it,but it was said outright
(32:53):
straight to my face repeatedlyin this dream course.
But a lot of us choose likeyou're talking about soul
contracts we kind of choose tocome into lives that are tough
for whatever reason, and thephysical body becomes that thing
(33:13):
that you can't ignore.
So when they're dealing withthat and then they take it to
the spiritual level, then theystart to realize oh, this is all
connected.
So with that, people who areoftentimes on these spiritual
paths have great difficulty,especially with digestion Like
and you know what themetaphysical reason behind that
(33:34):
is you can't digest life Likeand you know what the
metaphysical reason behind thatis you can't digest life Like so
life is hard, life is terribleor whatever right, and it's hard
to swallow, it's hard to digest, and I'm in that band.
I just realized I've had IBSfor now.
It's been like 30 years, youknow, yeah, and it's not a fun
experience, but it does work tobe in the present moment.
(33:56):
So let's go back to the bodything that you were mentioning
prior.
I don't think we hit record atthe beginning of it, but you
were talking about.
You said the body is almostlike the last place that it
comes up.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Talk more about that Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yeah, so these
things that make usuncomfortable start as thoughts
and then it moves it.
You know, thoughts create ouremotions and if we don't express
our emotion so this is reallyinteresting Our we actually have
the ability to process traumain 90 seconds If we're willing
(34:31):
to feel the emotion at, you know, when it comes up, fully,
without judgment.
But if we don't do that, whichmost of us don't, and we kind of
continue to ignore it or allthe things you know, keep doing
excessively, eating, maybe,binge, watching TV too much,
whatever it is, and not feelingit, it starts to show up in our
(34:54):
body.
And it can show up in so manyways, you know, and eventually,
if we don't look at it and dealwith it, it can turn into this
disease.
You know, and this kind of tiesinto what we were talking about
earlier.
Was I the one that caused thisdisease?
And I think, on the biggerpicture, yeah, you know, but not
(35:16):
to blame yourself or shameyourself, but to use it as wow,
how can I use this to learn andto grow and to shift and change?
But you know, so these thingsdo show up in the body and it's
really important for us to calmour nervous system, you know,
and use somatic tools in orderto help us heal From breath,
(35:39):
work to tapping I think that'scalled EFT.
That's really helpful.
Dancing, sometimes shakingstuff off, things that help our
body to release and let go arereally important to help to calm
that nervous system and helpheal.
And they seem like littlethings but they help so much.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
They really are.
And I find it interesting yousaid that about the shaking,
because if anybody's been aroundany listener has been around
somebody, that just creeps themout pretty much.
Most people will spontaneouslyshake, just like when they get
out of the space.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
It just comes naturally.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, there's a reason for that yeah, and
actually as I do the qigong,more and more I start to
recognize that the physicalmovements that are qigong are
really just.
I mean, they're what kids?
Do you just let a kid dowhatever they want to do?
They move like that.
They instantaneously know Ineed to go, you know I'm going
to go swing my arms or you knowlike I'm going to, whatever they
(36:43):
are.
It's more of like a naturalkind of response to the world
and we spend so much time saying, oh be, still, stop talking.
You know, do these things toconform so that you'll fit in
and be as miserable as the restof us yeah, let's start breaking
that pattern.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, so, man, man, yeah.
And just the more we're aware,the more we can learn and grow
and share these cool things, andthe more, the more we'll see
these cool things happening yeah, so when somebody's dealing
with trauma, what do you do?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
you have like, can you say, like one thing that
would help them the absolutemost?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Allow yourself to feel the emotion that comes with
that trauma, be it sadness, beit anger.
With that trauma, be it sadness, be it anger, and then feel it
fully, without attaching thestory to it, without judging
yourself for feeling it, andthen choose a new thought.
(37:49):
You know, do something playful,do a dance, whatever brings you
joy, do that, that and then,and then notice if it comes back
again, notice what you'rethinking about.
Are you thinking about thestory, are you thinking about
the, the event, again and again,and and you have the ability to
(38:10):
choose a new thought.
And it becomes easier andeasier to do that the more you
can sit in in quiet and justtake time to be still, and take
time to just slow down, and itwill happen, thanks for
listening to this episode ofMystical and Infamous Podcast
(38:35):
with the Happy Lion Centercom.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
That's podcast at happylioncentercom.
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