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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, this is Blair Stanislao, with the Happy Lion
Center.
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have playful and easyconversations about anything
mystical, getting to the heartof all things, strange and weird
.
Join us in a bit of magicaltomfoolery, spreading the
alchemy of love and light.
And now we invite you to enjoythe show.

(00:24):
Fabi, would you just introduceyourself a little bit so that
the listeners know who you are.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yes, so I'm Fabi.
I am a spiritual guide andmentor.
I work with a lot of healers.
I'm also a channel andmulti-hyphenated business guide
multi-hyphenated business guide.
I'm from South Africaoriginally.
I've been in the US for about10 years now.
I have a six-year-old and I'mmarried to my husband, richie,

(00:53):
and I spent the first half of mylife in South Africa and in the
corporate field, so I'm anaccountant by before times.
Then I woke up, I had mydaughter and that was a huge
awakening.
Parenthood, I think, is such asignificant initiation,
especially for mothers, and hadall of the dark nights of the

(01:16):
soul and went throughsignificant just realizations
and rememberings over the lastfew years and started really
dropping into the gifts that Icame into this life with.
And now I'm so happy andhonored to help other healers
with their journey, as they dothe same, and I'm so excited to

(01:39):
be here.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, thanks for coming on.
So I just wanted to touchreally quickly because you said
something that I am interestedin to learn more about.
You said I woke up and then Ihad my daughter.
So what's the connection there?
Or the order, or tell me alittle bit more about that.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, so I grew up in a Christian household.
My dad was a pastor, so formost of my formative years there
was this relationship with thechurch and religion.
That never sat right with me,but I knew that there was
something I was connected to.
I always felt this yearning toconnect with something outside,

(02:20):
inside of myself and, you know,it always just kind of eluded me
and I think when I started inthe year of my Saturn return, it
really started ramping up right, as I feel like a lot of people
realize.
Then, in that same year I alsomarried my husband.

(02:40):
The next year I had my daughter.
So there was a lot of lifechanges happening.
I had, at that point, beenworking, you know, significant
amount of hours burnt out.
I was a workaholic, I was inaccounting.
I had, you know, the carrot wasdangled out in front of me for
what success had to look like.

(03:01):
And my daughter's birth andeven just being pregnant with
her was such a significantmilestone but also rocked me to
the core right.
Postpartum was very hard and Ineeded to really look at my life
from a different perspective,because now I had this tiny

(03:21):
human and I was like there mustbe more to this than what I've
been told, and that question hadalways eluded me right.
It always was like what is mypurpose?
That's, I think, was my driving, my spur in this lifetime was
figuring out what my purpose was, because I never felt satisfied

(03:42):
and so it was always a searchfor something, but I never could
really figure out what that was.
And I think when my daughterwas born, I was really forced to
stop and take a look at my lifeand no longer just run away
from the things that I'd beengoing through and I have complex

(04:03):
PTSD PTSD so like therapy andreally paying attention to my
body and looking at the traumathat I experienced in childhood.
All of those things were justoh, I don't have time for that
right now.
I have so much to do and I have, you know, a career to aspire
to and like to climb thecorporate ladder, so I used work

(04:25):
very much as a way for me toget away from dealing with my
shit.
And then the big wake up callfor me and I think the big
initiation was motherhood,because it made me stop and wake
up to the realization thatthere's more to this life than
what I really am, been whatwe've been told, and then fast

(04:49):
forward to 2020 and I feel likethe entire world was forced to
wake up.
Um, and then I I just kind ofdeep dove into all things
spirituality and I feel likeback then there wasn't all these
resources that is available now, and I think much more people
now it's much more, you know,more people are talking about

(05:12):
and have community, but backthen it was very much like, well
, if I'm not a Christian and I'mnot in the church, what does
that mean?
And, like you know, there's,there was a lot of questioning
and so, yeah, yeah, waking upwas kind of a gradual process,
but I do feel like my daughter'sbirth was like that initial
push of like oh, okay, I've beenasleep for a very long time and

(05:36):
there's, there's, there's moreto this life than I've been told
so I find it really interesting.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Um, you referenced, like you know, back then
previously it felt like theinformation wasn't out there.
I'm not in disagreement withyou about that.
However, if I look at like thetimeline that we theoretically
live on, like this lineartimeline, I would have said the
exact same thing when I wascoming into what I understand to

(06:05):
be now, which is more of aspiritual truth than what I had
experienced prior.
So I find that reallyinteresting.
As a matter of fact, I just hadNeil Donald Walsh on here, who
is the author of theConversations with God in other
books, and I asked him aquestion about channeling.
I asked him if he channeled thebooks and he had a response.

(06:27):
It's really interesting.
I thoroughly enjoyed hisresponse, which was essentially
no, no, I don't channel.
I didn't channel it.
We knew channel it's like, it'slike.
So what he was describing wastrans channeling.
Well, I mean, honestly, 15months ago I didn't even know
what trans channeling was, notthat I hadn't seen it.
I I didn't even know what transchanneling was, not that I
hadn't seen it, I just had neverheard that term or anything
like that.
So it's really interesting torecognize.

(06:51):
It does feel like the stuff isnot out there, but it is out
there, it just requires theseeking of it, right?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, I do agree about that.
I wonder if it's something todo with whether or not you're
ready to receive thatinformation, if it's going to
come into your field, right.
And so back then I felt like Iwas hitting my head against the
wall, trying to find things youknow, find out about things that
I do feel like now, with TikTokand social media and much more

(07:20):
people who are talking aboutthese things, and maybe just
because I'm in this world, itfeels like it's out there more
than when I was looking for it.
But I do think there issomething to.
Whenever it's ready or you'reready to hear it, it'll come
into your field.
But yeah, I wonder if, if I waslike, if someone is going

(07:42):
through an awakening now, ifthey may feel the same way, even
though we are on this side,feel like everything's out there
it's everywhere, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
But they're seeking these kinds of conversations to
figure out.
Ok, if they are there, whereare they so that we talk about
them?
I totally agree that.
I mean, I don't think it's evenobjectively incorrect to say
that it really is more out there.
I mean, 2020 was a huge shiftfor a lot of people.
They, we, we had to stay homein a way that we wouldn't have

(08:11):
otherwise.
So, yes, this is something elseI'm curious about.
You said you have complex PTSD.
Was that from your daughter orfrom other things as well, from
having your that was from umchildhood trauma.
Okay, so that's what I figured.
So you've had a lot for a longtime.
And it's interesting to mebecause there's this idea that

(08:41):
desperation.
I think it was Ram Dass whosaid desperation is a
prerequisite for going there.
So you essentially it worksbetter when you're kind of
desperate and really like, okay,this is not going to work
anymore, I have to go.
And 2020 for a lot of peoplewas in fact, that for me, on
December 15th, 2024, I fell downand broke both my elbows at the
same time, and so even justthat first night, I couldn't
move sheets.

(09:02):
I couldn't.
I couldn't move my arms at all,right, like without immense
pain.
And it's amazing if you getforced to just sit with that
discomfort how things.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's really uncomfortable, but it does shift
things very quickly if you'reable to sit, sit through that, I
guess, or sit with it is morelike it right right, and that's
the thing, the thing you thinkabout the spur and I've done
some work on this and channelingto understand just like the
human, something that's reallyfor me, it's really interesting

(09:37):
is to understand, just like howthe universe is put together and
what we're doing here and howthe soul comes to incarnate and
soul contracts and all of those.
Just, I'm a virgo rising and soI love structure, but I also am
a aquarius sun and moon, so Ilove like chaos, so it's fun up
around here, so, but I uh, oneof the things I've channeled is

(09:58):
around um, everyone has adifferent, you know, archetype.
They come into this play thatwe call life in right, so each
incarnation is a different.
You just look at a full play inyour character in this video
game or whatever you want tocall it, the illusion that we're
in right, and so everyone comesin with a specific set of soul

(10:20):
contracts, but also things thatspur you and what is your spur
for your lifetime, right?
And so that's what I call myspur, like my spur was trying to
figure out that friction thatcauses you to move right.
So if we didn't have friction,or if we didn't have a spur or
discomfort, we would becomplacent, we would not do like

(10:43):
.
You know, people have to reachtheir rock bottom to change.
That's where we are seeingwhat's happening right now in
the world, because we haven'treached rock bottom yet.
I had channeled a few monthsbefore the election results and
I channeled Sophia, which is oneof the primordial gods or

(11:05):
goddesses or whatever you wantto call her, and she was like
just so you know, trump is goingto win and the reason for it is
because humans, especiallyAmericans, have not reached
their rock bottom yet.
It hasn't gotten as bad as itneeds to get.
And so, seeing it play out nowand sitting at this, from being

(11:27):
able to understand how theuniverse works and being able to
just like step out of that.
I remember in 20, what was that?
2018, when he first won, Idon't know, was that, I don't
know, the first election?
I was devastated.
That was still before I was.
You know, I really understoodhow things were put together.

(11:49):
I was like I thought I wasgoing to get deported because I
was from a different country.
There was, like all of thisfear.
I was very wrapped up in thefear by Russell and the
difference for me between thatand now is immense, because I
can basically remove myself fromand understand oh, these are
just players, this is playingout the way it needs to be

(12:11):
played out, and you can decidewhether or not you're going to
step into that fear spiral ornot, and there's nothing wrong
if you're still in that, but youhave the free will to create
your own reality andeverything's neutral.
And so this, what is happeningright now in the collective, is

(12:32):
literally needed so that peoplecan wake up, like we need that
spur, we need that discomfortwhich exactly the 2020 felt,
like the entire world shut downbecause we needed a reset, and
that was where.
That's what we needed andthat's, um, that's why it was
orchestrated as such, right, um,and so I am like one of the

(12:55):
people who are like thank youfor 2020, because there were so
many things that I think we wereheaded down a path of no return
and luckily, we were able tolike reach hopefully sooner
critical mass where more andmore people are waking up.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well, let's talk about that, because I really
love that idea and it makes alot of sense to me.
But the idea of the criticalmass which, as I understood it
to be, it was like or it is like, yeah, a certain number of
people let's just say it's apercentage, right Like there's a
certain percentage of people onthe earth who are coming to the
awareness of what you just said, which is we are operating in a

(13:43):
play, in a sense, and we candecide where we go from here,
and that you know you said it ina different way, but
essentially we can.
We are subconsciously pickingand choosing the lives that we
live, but we can actually shiftinto doing it more consciously.
Consciously, yeah, better livesfor ourselves, or what's being

(14:04):
better.
So if that's the case, if wehave enough people who are
shifting into that awareness ofself-sovereignty, then we we
start to, of course, infiltrate,or maybe not infiltrate, maybe
influence the masses so muchfaster that then all of humanity

(14:25):
has the ability to wake up tothis.
So what is your take on thatexperience and what do you feel
like?
Like, what do you think iscoming?
Like, have you channeledanything on that?
That's specific.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
So one of the things I don't know if you've heard
about disclosure, right?
So disclosure is basically anevent that has been channeled by
multiple channels and basically, if you read, the raw contact
is a heavyweight bra work, thelaw of one um it.

(15:01):
It is a set of channelings thatwas done in the 80s in kentucky
and it was about 140 sessionswhere these researchers had
someone do um, basically thechannel that you just mentioned.
Right, she would her body, shewould like.
She was laying on the on thebed, her consciousness left her

(15:22):
body, extraterrestrialconsciousness entered her right.
So, and then they had someonewho was asking questions and
then someone was taking notes.
All of this is available onlinefor free, all the transcripts,
and so I took a deep dive intoall 140 of them and they are so
interesting because it reallythe questions they ask were all

(15:44):
the questions you could think ofabout how everything is put
together.
So Ra is the extraterrestrialentities that these researchers
channeled, and Ra was also theextraterrestrials that helped
build the pyramids in Egypt andin South America.
So, just as a background, soone of the things from that

(16:05):
channeling that I learned andothers have shared is that Earth
is basically at some level inquarantine.
So, up until now, if there wereany extraterrestrials who
wanted to make contact withEarth in some way, they needed
to get approval from somethingor some like a group called the

(16:29):
Galactic Federation.
And the Galactic Federation isbasically the, you know, the
guardians of the galaxy, and youknow, and in a different word,
and they, they help, keep order,they help.
It's basically like where allthe different, um, all the

(16:50):
different what do you call them?
People from not people, butentities from different places,
would have a place, a spacethere to make decisions about
what happens in our solar systemor beyond and for Earth,
because of how the thirddimension works, right?

(17:10):
So in the third dimension, ifyou come incarnate, you forget
everything, and that's the point, right.
So the point of third dimensionis for you come incarnate, you
forget everything, and that'sthe point, right.
So the point of third dimensionis for you to go through earth
school, forgetting everythingabout past lives as well as
previous incarnations, so thatyou can ultimately learn how to
reconnect with love andreconnect with, remember who you

(17:31):
are.
And so, if you think of that,for that setup to work, we have
to be in the dark, so we have tobe in.
We're basically not allowed toknow what the truth is until
we're ready to hear it.
So you kind of need to do yourown work and learn and work

(17:53):
through your own work and learnand work through your look
through your own blockages,learn the lessons that you
signed up for as a soul to learnin earth school and then solely
but truly learn the truth ofwho you are, of what's happening
, however, every 75 000, aplanet needs to ascend or

(18:14):
basically is set to ascend intothe next dimension, and Earth
has kind of passed its deadlineto ascend.
And so in the 60s or 70s, a callwent out to everyone in the
galaxy basically asking tosupport Earth, because they

(18:35):
basically realized that we aregoing down the wrong road and
the humans have not actuallydone the work that they needed
to.
They're so stuck in their Mayathat it doesn't look good for
Earth's attention kind oftrajectory.
And one of the milestones tosee whether or not we are making
progress is something calleddisclosure, which basically

(18:58):
means that once a certain levelof people, aka critical mass,
have done their own work andhave basically stepped out of
their Maya and woken up quoteunquote that means that what
they call is um non-interference, which is basically

(19:18):
non-interference, is what theycall um, not uh, earth being in,
um, in quarantine, so they'renot allowed to interfere with
our process on earth okay.
So they are prohibited, theybeing the extraterrestrials, the

(19:39):
galactic federation, reallyanyone is prohibited to um to
interfere with an individualsoul's progression in this game
on earth, but that anon-interference rule is lifted
once a critical mass has donetheir work and has gotten there

(20:02):
by themselves.
And so disclosure, hopefully,is coming in the next year like
it's imminent, as imminent as italways can be, because they
always say it's a date and thenit passes because of some other
reason.
But basically, disclosure is abig possibility for 2025, which

(20:23):
is exciting.
But I've also channeled thatit's not going to be like an
alien ship over Manhattan, likesome movie that we've watched.
It's not going to be asfear-inducing.

(20:44):
The idea isn't that we scarethem because that would create
chaos.
So it will probably be some typeof transmission that those with
the eyes to see in the year toyear will hear, and it won't be
like everyone because, again, ifyou are still asleep and that

(21:08):
is not part like being part ofthe you know process to help
earth awaken, is not part ofyour soul plan then hearing this
may be harmful to your, to yourpath, and so it's almost like
disclosure is going to can onlyhappen again when certain people

(21:29):
, a certain amount of people,are able to get to a point where
their vibrational frequency ishigh enough so that they can
hear the transmission ofdisclosure.
So it's almost like we aretuning our nervous systems and
our frequency to the point where, again, working on your own
inner work, doing your spirit,doing your inner healing, gets

(21:55):
your vibration to a certainpoint so that when we reach that
critical mass and disclosurehappens you're able to basically
hear the transmission and thenthat will basically start like a
steamroll for those who arehere as starseeds to help the

(22:16):
process of waking up the rest ofthe planet.
But I also think what peopledon't understand is like the
ascension of earth is not goingto happen in probably in even
our lifetime.
Like it is a process and it'sgoing to take 10, 20, 30, 40, 50
, 60 years just, and it's notgoing to be just like one day

(22:37):
you wake up and then we're in adifferent, on a different earth.
I think there's a lot ofmisunderstanding as to what
ascension actually means.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Let me clarify something before we go on too
far.
So you're saying disclosure isessentially when the other
species from other places arecoming to give us information
that will help us?
Is that what the deal?
Okay, so?
We have to reach the criticalmass to be able to receive that
disclosure correct or evendisclosure, as in we are here.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
You are not alone on this planet.
So basically, like disclosingthe fact that there are hundreds
currently hundreds ofspaceships circling earth but
they're not allowed to makethemselves known to the populace
of earth because ofnon-interference.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Okay, so what I have under, I don't know what your
personal experiences are, but Ihave not had personally that I
remember.
Maybe there was something Idon't remember, but I don't
remember, maybe I do.
I don't remember a reallydramatic thing where you know

(23:50):
I've gone into meditation.
I mean I have been anotherspecies on other planets, yes,
into meditation.
I mean I have been anotherspecies on other planets, yes,
and but I've not, like,downloaded specifically and
frankly I don't get hung up onwhatever, because to me they're
all stories, like it doesn'treally matter what any of my
past stories are, because it'sthe storyline, is the plot, the
information that you get fromthe story, is the part.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
So I'm interested in yeah, I mean the story is the
vehicle, but I'm more interestedin the other stuff.
So what I'm saying is I havehad stories that have told me,
sure, I've been part of that,but I haven't had anything that
was like super dramatic, where,you know, I don't even get hung
up on the names of the alienraces or like um, but I kind of

(24:35):
am curious what let's see,because it's all to me, it's all
over the place.
All you have to do is look.
People are saying that all thetime.
There's this, there's that.
Oh, look at this thing.
They've got it on video.
And even though AI has becomemuch more popular this year and,
granted, I have been doinggraphics for a long, long time

(24:56):
some very visual person, andmost of the time I can look at
it and be like, yeah, that's AI.
Right, you can pretty much tell.
But there are videos out therethat are like, no, that is not
AI, not AI at all.
I'm kind of curious as to howyou know Bashar says it.
He said it one time I watched.

(25:16):
I don't watch him all the time,but I watched him occasionally.
One time he said this and Ithought that is such a perfect
description.
He was describing us existingin whatever dimension we're in,
and it's almost like there'sglass walls or something in
between dimensions and if youchange your vibration you can
walk through to anotherdimension.
You can also see to otherdimensions and if you change
your vibration you can walkthrough to another dimension.

(25:36):
You can also see to otherdimensions, so you can see lower
, um, I don't know that you cansee dimensions higher, but you
know that's the idea that youcan see other dimensions, that
that thought process, that it'snot going to be something that
uh, very much like one of myfavorite movies, arrival.
the whole world is just it's notlike that, but there's going to

(25:59):
be something there and andthings like.
Arrival was one of my favoritemovies, not because it's an
alien and all this, any of thatstuff.
It was again.
It was the meat of the story,which is time is not linear.
Look, this is detailed.
How it's not linear and thestory was put together so
beautifully.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, so I'm sorry I interrupted you.
I just wanted to make sure whatdisclosure was.
And yeah, so, we're essentiallyit's kind of like a goal that
we're getting to to receive it,and I would venture to say, if
you're looking for it, theinformation is out there.
Yes, here we are having thisconversation.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
It is, and so it's it's like it's almost like those
of us who are and those of uswho are kind of at the front
lines of this.
Sometimes I feel like we needto be very careful as to

(27:04):
assuming that there isn't likemore that needs, like there's so
many more people who aren'twaking up and that need those
that of us who are being kind ofwoken up at first to go back
and support them and to helpthem along.
And I think that's probably thenext.

(27:26):
I've heard a lot of justchannels, a lot of things, and
I've heard a lot of channelerstalk about like the next
iteration of the spiritual pathis a community right, like we
are meant to be in community,versus everyone just doing it by
themselves.
And I think for me personally,when I woke up, it was me myself

(27:47):
and I right, and I think we're,we're being called to now take
what we hear, take what we'rechanneling, take what we're
learning, and turn around andshare it with those who are in
our sphere, because they arethere, because you have signed a
self-contract with them, and ifyou're a frontrunner, if you're

(28:07):
someone that is gettinginformation, who is waking up
first, you're the way showerright, and so it's hard because
you're the one screaming outthere and being like, wake up.
And everyone's like you'recrazy.
But it's not for you to keep itto yourself, right, it is
because we have a job to do,right, like we have.

(28:30):
And, like you said, it's notabout people love to know where
they're from and what they're.
What if they're star seed ornot, and if they're where, what?
You know what galactic familythey're from.
And there's so manyextraterrestrials on earth.
At this point it really doesn'tmatter anymore.
But it does help you,especially when it's when you

(28:51):
want to connect with your spiritguides or you want to connect
with your galactic family.
It helps to have thatinformation.
But again, don't harp too muchon that information, because I
think a lot of people think, oh,I need to have had, like this,
like you said, a big abductionon, like a spaceship, or it
needs to be this big pumpingcircumstance, or I need to feel

(29:13):
like earth is alien for me toreally be a starseed.
And there's this like hierarchywe're starting to create where,
if you're a starseed, you'relike higher than if you're not a
starseed, like I think we're.
So, as humans, we do this thingwhere, like what we want to
have, create these hierarchies,um which I think what we need to

(29:37):
remember ultimately is this isall an illusion and you know
there's no such thing asseparation, and I am you and you
am I, and you know, ultimatelythere is no such thing as
separation.
And we're just here in a videogame, right?
So we're.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
All of the stuff that we're creating is basically us
playing Sims and yeah it'sinteresting you say that about
the hierarchy, because that'sthe belief system that there
needs to be a hierarchy is veryhuman, and I struggled actually

(30:13):
a lot with exactly what you'retalking about there People
getting hung up on their,whatever the story is Right and
I took a channeling course lastyear.
I thought it would be reallycool and I took the course and
he did a really great job.
But as soon as I get in thecourse and I realized what it is
, I'm like I've been doing thatmy whole life and I it's a

(30:34):
feeling that you know, and soI'm completely, completely
confident in that.
And now I'm taking another onefor fun, because this woman is
really really good atarticulating all the different
ways of doing it and so forth,and that, right, there was
something that I actually had toshift in my I'm sure it's my
mind about, because thatparticular person does.

(30:57):
I think it has to do withlanguage, because language is so
limiting.
So she does some practices andshe tells us to do these
practices, but the purposebehind it I get like it's to
create the energy or or to um,uh, you know, call back your
energy, and it feels verydifferent.

(31:18):
So when you do it in a certainway, it, it, it can feel cleaner
than it has.
For me, um, and the con, the,the, the name, the name thing is
like a really big thing because, um, I'm not very good with
names I never have been but Ivery early on understood okay,
my name is Blair, that's whatthey call me.

(31:39):
I have to respond to that,right, but that's not who I am
and I never thought that aboutanybody else.
So that's why their names don'tstick with me Exactly, unless
they do something really weirdor I'm really interested in them
.
For some reason the names don'tstick.
And so, going into thischanneling thing, and you know,
they're like oh, this archangel,blah, blah, blah, whatever, and
I'm still not very good at it,okay, but what I learned, the

(32:01):
difference was and it's reallyinteresting because I have
somebody who works with me and afriend of mine who's actually
she does, she did this naturallyit's this, this way of you're
in the zone, you're channeling,you're getting information, you
turn around, in a sense.
You turn around and talk to theenergy, whatever it is, and

(32:21):
that's where the name thing Ihave seen.
Maybe that does help because it, because we have the constructs
of language you listen I talk,you talk, I think so.
Listen I talk, you talk, Ithink so.
And that becomes an exchangewhere I think giving an energy,
a particular name, would allowfor more of that conversation,

(32:43):
whereas, like in the firstofficial channeling course I was
in, they've spent hours, I meanlike three full classes on
protection and you know, I don'tknow all the negative things
that come in.
You know like, yes, I don'teven have the words for them,
and I'm just there and I washaving the hardest time.
I just put myself on mute, turnthe camera off, and I was just

(33:05):
like I can't.
I was about to call my friendand be like I don't know if I
can handle this class and itreally was.
It's because it's entertainingthe idea of fear and that you
actually need protection and allof that, and that's really hard
for me, whereas I would get towhere I had to have a
conversation with them aboutthis and they would ask their

(33:27):
questions and I'm like how doyou not know it's the right
energy?
Like it's hard to explain.
Not know it's the right energy,like it's hard to explain.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, no, if that's energy or if it's not a good
energy, yeah, and it's hard.
I think this is such a change,I feel like from the first wave
of of star seeds and the firstwave of channeling.
I agree, like a lot of people Icome in contact with, and when
I started, when I started youknow reading about about
channelinging I agree, like alot of people I come in contact
with, and when I started, when Istarted, you know reading a lot
about channeling because I waslike, oh, I want to channel, and
then I started doing it, I waslike, oh, this is a, this is the

(34:00):
worst, I hate it.
I was like it don't I alwaystell people, don't think it's
the most glamorous thing,because once you start opening
your channel, it's like I'm likeand say simply like me alone, I
have things to do.
Like there are some some daysI'm like I don't do I need to
know who you are, and they'relike no, I'm like cool, do you
need anything from me?

(34:21):
No, cool, do your thing Right.
Like I have a very, veryinteresting relationship with my
guides.
But when I started out again,there was all of this like
awesome, all all of thesequestions and like protection
and so based in fear, and thefirst thing that my guides told
me as soon as I started reallyconnecting with them is like

(34:43):
there shouldn't be any fear here, like it's not supposed to be.
Obviously, you want to haveenergetic hygiene right,
especially with other humans,but, honestly, even like other
humans are more of a?
Um other humans energy on youis actually more of a threat, if

(35:04):
you want to call it that, thanthan any like you know, guides
or whatever.
And so I just I always tellpeople, especially those who
have been in other circles, whohave a fear mindset, because I
do feel like there's a lot ofteachers and a lot of mentors
and a lot of people who teachclasses who do harp so much on

(35:26):
the entity, attachments,interference, and like you need
to like all of the stuff and I'mlike you're in the fear spiral
and when you're in the fearspiral and when you're in the
fear spiral, you're going tocreate more.
Your reality, yes, whichcreates more like this, is just
like going to continue to happen.
And it's so funny because of thework I've done and the work I

(35:49):
do, I do a lot of entity um,attachment, um, like unburdening
work right.
So like would, when I get a newclient, the first thing I check
if whether they have an entityattachment and I, surprisingly,
in the last few months I've donea lot of them.
But it was so funny because Idid like.

(36:10):
I did in one month I probablydid like 12 different people who
had all been working with aspecific very famous person who
is in that mindset of this, likeshe teaches about entity
attachments.
But she was the one who wasbasically like attaching her

(36:31):
energy and an entity to all thepeople she had like been in
contact with and so it was likethis whole thing.
But it was just so funnybecause it's a self-fulfilling
prophecy, right.
She was like she's so in thisfear mindset and so everyone
that comes into her field endedup getting into the attachment.
It was a whole thing in herfield ended up getting an entity

(36:54):
attachment.
It was a whole thing.
But I think what's interestingwhen I look at a lot of these
people who speak on this,especially on social media, as
soon as I open someone's profileI can see immediately I don't
know if that's something thatyou have picked up on I pull
someone up and I can immediatelybe like either they have an

(37:15):
entity attachment or two.
Their energy is so leaky andit's like this, like contraction
that happens, and I'm like,well, they have a hundred
million followers on socialmedia, but I would not like come
with the 10-foot pole, like youknow, close to them.
And it's so interesting whenyou start like really paying
attention to the energies thatare now, that are currently like

(37:37):
the popular people in thespiritual world.
It's so just like sitting backand looking at them.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
It's like okay, it is really interesting, and I think
mine is more of a very, verybasic kind of response.
It's either like, oh, I reallylike this person, I'm drawn to
them, or you know, yeah, andthat's it.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
I mean, you don't know why, but it's like it's a,
it's immediately no, you're likeno, no, I don't want to be in
that person's energy.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah.
Yeah, I kind of wonder if it tome.
I'm saying like I, I didn'trealize this, but I really do
see things in a different way.
I like I do have a differentkind of vision, where we have
this conversation and I havethis image going around doing
all of this stuff.
So what I, what I see, is thatthe language thing is an issue.
Okay, so let's say that they'retalking.
They are talking aboutchanneling or whatever they're

(38:27):
talking about, and it's reallyhelpful because now somebody's
talking about it.
So now, now that I had theinterview with Neil I mean mean,
I don't know if he heardanywhere else, but he definitely
heard from me well,channeling's not bad, right?
Yes, so he, you know, and hehelped to bring that about his
book.
Yes, even though he wasn'taware that channeling is what it

(38:48):
is now that we're aware of, yes, he helped to bring that
forward.
So I kind of feel like, eventhough people like that are
talking about all this kind ofspiritual world and maybe they
have those, those entityattachments, because that's what
they've been they're stillbringing things forward.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
100, yeah 100, and so I always I'm like there's.
I always say that everyone,like we are at different levels
and the person that needs thatperson will connect with that
person where they are, and youwill outgrow all your teachers
at some point.
And so, like, don't makesomeone your guru, don't make

(39:28):
someone your god, because thatperson is human, like you are
and you're just in differentparts of your journey.
And just because I know all ofthis and whoever's listening
doesn't doesn't mean thatthere's a again, there's no
hierarchy.
It just means that I am on mypath and you know it's not.
This information is availableto everyone and that's.

(39:51):
I think the thing that peopledon't realize is, like, be very
discerning.
I think when you listen topeople who are channeling or
bringing information, even youknow myself, I always say, like,
take what resonates and believewhat doesn't.
If something doesn't feel rightin your body, there's a reason
for it.
So don't go down that road,just trust your own sovereignty

(40:14):
and intuition.
But I think a lot of peopledon't know how to trust because
they don't spend time withthemselves enough and they don
them feel seen, whatever thereason is, and then ultimately
they're, they wake up andthey're like what, where have I

(40:41):
gone, like I?
I'm down a road that I don't.
I don't even recognize myselfanymore, and I think it's
because we're so used to, um,outsourcing our intuition and
our, our sovereignty and we wantothers to tell us please tell
me what I need to do, or pleasetell me what is right.
But ultimately, you have theability to realize and to pull

(41:03):
this information through.
You just need to really sitwith yourself and do your own
work, which I feel like I'mseeing more and more people do,
but it's really hard, so I cansee why people don't want to do
it.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Well I would say, I don't know if I would say it's
hard, but it's uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Oh yeah, it is.
That's what we don't want toexperience.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
So that's actually where I was going to go.
That's the next ultimatequestion and I think it.
I mean it certainly plays intoour, our human experiences that
you and I are having right now.
I was actually just thinkingthis past week like, okay, so I
have essentially shifted fromdoing a lot of energy work and

(41:41):
even massage and other thingsinto I want to help people come
to self-realization, like that's, and so I got this.
I'd been preparing for it allbefore I didn't know that, but
now I see the connections and Iunderstand where it goes.
And so now I have this programand we just started the program
and it's been a very interestingexperience to watch.

(42:04):
So the program itself is aboutexperience.
It's not your traditional inthe past.
The instructor stands up andgives information and you
consume that information.
It's more experiential and it'salso very community oriented.
So even as the facilitator, Inoticed first off that it went

(42:26):
really well.
I have some people in therejust amazing already, right, but
but the experience was reallygood so far.
They've already made shifts.
I've made shifts too, and whatI've noticed is, first I was
like wait a minute.
That first my first response wasoh, this was so easy.
I love this.
This is, this is totally goingto work.
And then it was like, wait aminute, maybe I'm not giving

(42:47):
them what they are expecting,Right?
And so then the ego comes in,the mind comes in that kind of
thing, and then now I've shiftedin into a new level with you
know kind of unders, mergingthose two kind of things
together.
So what I'm saying is it'sinteresting to watch, because
even someone like myself or you,who are helping people do

(43:08):
things and we're always sayingit's within you, you have to go
inward to find your answer.
They're coming to us for help.
No, and I think there's goingto be a big shift in the oh, the
let's see what do I say?
The expectation maybe of when,when enough people come to this

(43:32):
realization that it's all withinthem, their expectations of
somebody else is going to beentirely different.
So what they get from thatperson through their interaction
is going to be somethingentirely different than it has
been in the past.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yes, and it's so interesting you bring this up
because the thing is right.
Once you get to a certain level, um, you basically want someone
to guide you through it likeyou said, an experience and not
be like a coach or like tell youwhat to do right.
And so there's such adifference between they say,
people, you know, are you goingto teach someone how to fish?

(44:09):
Or you're going to, you know,catch a fish for them, right,
like you're going to.
And I always say that the, thehealers I work with and I work
mostly with people who have beendoing this for a while, or they
really feel like there'ssomething in them and they're
here to be a healer.
And I always say that, even ifyou are the one who others come

(44:31):
to, you still need to do yourinner work and you still need
someone to be a mirror to youand a reflection to you and kind
of go deeper.
So because the deeper you cango, the more capacity you create
to hold others, and so we allneed those people in our lives,
no matter where you are in yourjourney, that will hold you and

(44:54):
can hold you as well as canreflect back to you.
What are those things that youwhere you're still like in the
loops or where are the lessonsthat are still being learned,
because I always say like ifyou're done with this school,
then you would not wake up inthe morning, right?
So, like every morning you wakeup because you're not done yet

(45:17):
and there's more for you toexperience.
And so, like you said, likethis is an experience and so it
goes from me, you know again,standing in the front and like
being at the Fabi show and I'mgoing to like jump up and down
and show you all the cool thingsI could do.
No, this is your experience andI will show you how to, I'll

(45:41):
guide you to it and I'll supportyou and hold you and hold and
kind of hold you accountable andI will hold space for you and I
will be a reflection for you.
But ultimately, this is yourexperience to have, be a
reflection for you, butultimately this is your
experience to have, and thedeeper you can go and want to go
is all up to you, because youhave free will, right, and I
think us, as facilitators, weneed to make sure that we stay

(46:04):
in as much groundedness andalignment so that we don't step
into their story.
We stay on our side and we holdthe guardrails, but they're the
ones that need to go on thisjourney, um, as those that we
are here to serve.
Um, and then also really beinglike okay, where am I, where am

(46:27):
I playing small, for example,like I think a lot of healers
are like I feel like there'smore here that you know the
clients I've been serving for awhile, it's just, it's the same
thing.
And, like you said, like onceyou get to a point where you
really you're like it took yearsfor me to get to a place where
I even could do massage orenergy healing and feeling like

(46:48):
you have to do that for the restof your life there's going to
become a time when you're likethis is no longer it for me and
it takes people so long toaccept that there's something
more.
And I think that's where I loveworking with people, because it
isn't.
The first step is almost harder.
The second step is almost harderthan the first step, because

(47:10):
you're so not complacent, butyou're like this is my thing,
I'm gonna do this, and you know,as we know, people don't love
change, but also people don't.
People want to be seen as onething and so you don't want to
be seeming like, oh well, I'mdoing this and I do this and I
do this, but there's going tocome a time where you're going

(47:30):
to be expected to expand, andthat expansion is always
uncomfortable.
Right, it's going to feel likeyou're stretching yourself, but
if you don't, then you're goingto stagnate, and that's when
your business starts to feellike, oh, now I'm going to have
to see these clients again andso.
But for you to expand, it'sgoing to require you to really

(47:51):
do your inner work.
Look at your patterns, look atyour ego, look at all the
different parts that come up andhow you're playing small, and
so a lot of us have to look atour witch wounds, have to look
at where are the parts of usthat are playing at a level that

(48:12):
we have outgrown.
But it's too scary to level up,to step up, but the people who
we are here to serve are lookingfor that next level of a guide,
and if you don't step up,that's not part of your
evolution.
We always are here to evolveinto the next step.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, I really love that and everybody has that,
that level of comfort where it'sso good.
But what I am really, reallyinterested in is getting to the
place where I'm sensitive enoughto recognize that experience

(48:56):
and make the shift beforesomething dramatic like broken
elbows or a car wreck or a deadhusband or whatever these things
are, before that comes in,because if you don't listen, I
find it usually does happen.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Oh yeah, because the universe whispers and then
whispers a bit louder and thenstarts to maybe like speak at
like a little bit louder, andthen starts to shout, and then
it starts to scream at you andthen it kicks you off of the
cliff.
Yeah, because that's just howit works right.

(49:31):
And every single thing thatyou're experiencing, your soul,
your superconscious basicallyhave agreed to and have
consented to, and so if yourconsciousness and your
subconscious does not want toget with the program and does

(49:52):
not listen to the subtle nudges,something huge is going to
happen.
Because again, we are here.
If you're listening to this,you probably are here to do big
work, and it feels like it mayfeel scary to hear this, but the

(50:13):
collective consciousness ofearth requires you and needs you
to get up and do the thing.
And so, yes, if you don't, itreally is going to get to a
point where you cannot ignore itanymore.
And again, it doesn't have tohappen that way.
And you're right, as you dothis work and you really start

(50:35):
to understand what the subtlecues are, you can just make
little adjustments and it can beso useful because it doesn't
have to be hard.
And so we kind of come in fullcircle.
The struggle piece comes in whenwe don't listen.
Right, because the strugglecomes in because you didn't

(50:57):
listen to the small littlenudges, and so then things have
to become hard, because you knowotherwise we won't listen.
And so it's like when you startreally listening to the small
nudges and you really take everyday as like a new opportunity
to come home to yourself, torealize what is that, what is in

(51:17):
the highest for me, and how toconnect with my guides, how to
connect with my intuition, yourlife will just feel so much more
in flow, because that's what itis.
You're in alignment, um, andbeing in alignment doesn't mean
that things aren't going to goquote unquote badly, but it is.
What Bashar talks about iseverything is neutral and every

(51:39):
experience can either be seen aspositive or negative, but
you're assigning whether it'spositive or negative.
The experience in and of itselfis neutral, neutral.
So as you start to do this workand the deeper you get, you're
going to see that every singlething that's happened to you
wasn't happening to you.
It was happening for you.

(52:00):
And as you work through thoselayers of trauma, pockets or
complex trauma or whatever it ispast life things that are still
impacting you.
As you go through those layers,you're going to start to see
that every single thing wasthere for a reason.
And then the cool part is whenyou start to really be in this
moment and see what is happeningfor you in every single moment,

(52:26):
you're able to kind ofrecalibrate and no longer just
be the player in the game.
You can also you realize thatyou can not only subconsciously
create your reality, butconsciously influence and create
your reality, which people callmanifesting, but that's a whole
other thing that I think isvery misunderstood and

(52:48):
misconstrued.
But it's basically you're nolonger being puppeteered by your
subconscious or by your wounds.
You're able to consciously makedecisions and be in alignment
versus it happening to you,which it never did it whatever
did happen to you, it's justyour perspective.
And so once you can shift yourperspective because perception

(53:10):
is reality, right, I always say,like we're in a, we're in the
hunger games and like yourspirit guides are like all the
people watching you know you inthe dome, and you can either be
aware of them and ask them forhelp, right?

(53:31):
So like, ask for hey mitch tohelp you send you things, or you
can just play the game as ifyou have no control over it and
just be a mindless player in thegame, which I feel like is like
the you know the before timestill being in the matrix in
your Maya.
Or you can look up and be like,oh, I see the dome, this is
actually a game.

(53:51):
And then the next step is oh, Ican actually ask my guides or
those watching to support me.
They have a view of this gamethat I don't have, so how can I
use it to my advantage?
And then you can be.
The next level is okay.
How am I going to cheat thisgame?
Because there's cheat codeseverywhere, right?

(54:11):
So how am I going to cheat thisgame and no longer be the
victim in the Hunger Games andactually like play it to my
advantage, which I love as ananalogy?

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah, yeah, I really like that.
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