October 1, 2024 • 23 mins
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Meet Janine, the White Raven, who shares her incredible journey from conventional public schooling to the liberating world of unschooling. When the pandemic hit, she took a leap of faith, stepping into homeschooling, only to discover the profound benefits of allowing her children to learn at their own pace and follow their passions. Drawing connections between unschooling and the Montessori method, Blaire Stanislao & Janine offes a fresh perspective on how hands-on, exploratory learning can be tailored to each child's developmental stage.
Through heartfelt stories, Janine illustrates how her children thrive without the pressures of structured curricula, embracing their natural interests and strengths. We also explore the ripple effect one's own healing has on those around them, and others expanding the love vibration across the planet.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
they do that thing where they like read and talk
about whose person is.
And then they, I don't do allthat shit.
I'm like, okay, you got theintroduction, this is the story.
And then we just talked about,we just I just cut straight to
whatever we're talking about.
So when we get to the meat ofit, so I'll cut all this out
when we get to the meat of it.
That's where I started.
So, but it's not bad for you to, I mean, you can tell us, tell
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us your story and a little bitabout your story.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Well, I am different.
I am janine and I am the whiteraven, okay, and I am a mom of
four and I'm a healer.
And I didn't know I was ahealer and I didn't know what I
was.
I didn't know I can already feelthis coming up how, like I
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raised my children and do thethings that I do, I didn't know
that the world will be changingand forming into the way that I
do things.
I was like when I first startedI was very structured, like our
kids were in public school, um,and then we um, you know, when
the COVID happened, everythingkind of switched and changed and
I knew I could feel it in mygut that I couldn't put my like
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basket on my kid, couldn't dothat.
So then we decided tohomeschool.
I did all these kind ofresearch and I tried to figure
it out.
We homeschooled, we tried thatand then we actually
transitioned to unschooling.
And then unschooling that waslike the catalyst of me changing
my ways and not adapting, to dolike looking at things
differently instead of justhaving a narrow, linear
perspective.
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I actually opened up my mind toto learn new things and have
new opportunities come and withthat coming is unschooling uh,
where it's really child-basedit's they get to learn on their
own, like their own terms.
So, like my one son, he's verymuch into tractors and cars and
he can tell me all thesedifferent things about cars and
I have no idea what it is.
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My other, my oldest daughter.
She's super into farming.
She always loves to do workswith the cattle, like they're
very different so they're veryself-learned children so they
kind of do their own things.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So it's similar.
Are you familiar withmontessori?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I think it's, it's something similar like that.
Um, yeah, it'd probably beclosest like for the, for a
visualized, to understand whatthat is.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I just want to touch on that briefly for listeners
who are not familiar with that.
And I know Montessori because Ihave a degree in education and
that was just one of the thingsthey make everybody learn.
So the Montessori program isthey do still go to school, so
in that sense they still go to aplace, they all go together,
but it's more of an openenvironment where the kids are
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driven to explore the thingsthat interest them.
But they also do things thatyou know, you kind of have a
feel for developmentally, wherechildren are so, like when
they're young, they need totouch and feel.
They can be very tactile, sothey'll have them like trace
letters with their finger right.
But you know, for a child ofthe right age that's really
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interesting because they'rereally just sensing that and
they're getting that motion,that almost muscle memory about
what the letter is.
And I'm sure they go through.
Unfortunately I didn't do.
I didn't teach Montessori and Ididn't go through it.
But when I learned about it Ithought to myself if there's any
way I could do this for my kids, I would do it.
It didn't work out for me.
I didn't wind up doing that.
But the Montessori programs inthe United States are only
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actually through eighth grade,so it's about age 12 or 13.
And then after that they haveto go into the regular school
system if they're going tocontinue with that.
So would you say that theunschooling is more about kind
of releasing the structures andthe linear path that the school
systems usually have.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, the way that I can see and like visualize
because I'm such a visual personis like school is a box and
we're learning to play outsideof that box, learning your math
in your own way.
You're not learning in thatstructure, you are learning how
you are naturally meant to learn.
So my daughter will come up tome my younger, she's seven and
she's like I want to read this.
All right, let's read it.
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You know like, and she justdoes that and like my other son,
he's really good at math andlike they will naturally do
their own things and in theirown time, without forcing.
Because we love to put labelsand we love to compare being in
school while this child can readand that like, the comparing is
huge.
So you're taking that comparingelement.
Now it's like okay, what areyou good at?
Okay, well, you're really goodat you know, like, working
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cattle you're really good at,like my son, we have cows, so he
feeds up with a tractor, likehe's 12 and he's really awesome
at running a tracker.
So you let him do that and he'sbeen great at it.
So we give him opportunitiesfor him to thrive in his own
element or working in the shop,like pulling wrenches or like
learning tools.
I send him to the shop.
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I'm like, okay, go grab this.
And he knows exactly where tograb it in the shop.
So it's very much child-basedlearning.
So sometimes it has papers, butmost times we don't have papers
.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
We just kind of learn as we go.
So I know you're in Canada.
How does that work, because Idon't think you guys are all
that much different than theUnited States?
But how does that work in termsof you know?
I actually did my thesis.
I can't remember I should say Iknow what my thesis was on, but
the most interesting part of myentire thesis was looking at the
purpose for education.
Like, what's the drivingmotivation behind the education
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system?
I'm in America.
It was about American right,and the whole purpose behind
establishing a school system inthe United States was built upon
creating an environment whereit creates citizens that could
read and understand what thepoliticians were saying, so that
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they could vote as criticalthinkers.
Now, do we do that?
I don't know right, likethere's a whole lot of stuff we
could say about that, but thatwas the intent behind it, and I
find it really interesting thatwhat you're talking about, this
unschooling, is more aboutdeveloping the person than it is
about, like in the Americansystem, that really was set up
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to create a society in a waythat benefited the politicians,
right, and so it's the peoplethat have the people that run
things, which is not necessarilya bad concept, but it's not
about developing the individualperson you know to the best of
whatever it is they are to doand it's so structured too, like
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we're so used.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
To start, you have to sit down, you have to do this,
you have all the rules.
Do math only this way, like youdid, you got the right answer,
but you did like the problem.
So, like you did the, the workwas wrong, wrong meaning not the
way that somebody said that itshould be done yeah, exactly
like you still got the correctanswer but you used your own
method, but it's you still get xstrong because you didn't do it
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their way.
So it's really likeself-exploring.
So then, what I've reallynoticed so my daughter is 14 and
she's my oldest.
She has a lot of confidencebecause I've healed on it myself
, but also like she's out ofthat system.
She's not in that constantdrama scene either, and she has
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cousins and friends that are inher age group and they are very
non-confident.
One was suicidal, one had lotsof relationship issues and
there's just so many thingsbecause they're in that
environment and it's always justlike drama and chaos.
And I remember being in highschool.
I went to public school, um,and I didn't.
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I didn't love myself, you know,like I wore, like I wore makeup
and like I was always trying tolike oh, if I look thin, I'll
like people like me, because Ithought people who thin, like
didn't have any problems, was mythinking like like this.
So I'm thinking I don't thinkthat's abnormal.
Honestly, I think a lot ofpeople think that yeah, so now,
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like with healing that andworking on myself, like, no,
like, instead of like puttingclothes on because I'm still a
bigger lady, um, it helps mechannel work, since I am bigger,
um.
And so, instead of like puttingclothes on, it's like oh, does
this make me look fat?
I've changed it.
It's like, well, does this like?
Does that, do I look good?
Does this outfit suit me?
Does this match me?
Does this match my energy?
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Yeah, so it's like, it's veryempowering.
So I've noticed a change, uh,within my kids of they're more
freedom, like they think moreand they, um, they're more
freedom thinkers.
So with unschooling, it's moreum, they're always like lifelong
learners because, whetherwhatever they're going learn,
whatever they're interested in,they're going to learn about
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what in school is like you haveto learn, it's like I don't want
to learn it, you know, and thenthey don't care and then they
just do the test and theycompletely forget about it.
But you can ask, like my kids,you know, like my son knows all
this stuff about cars, but he'sinterested and he loves it, and
so it's like, well, that's histhing, that's his passion, it's
so interesting I couldn't evenremember what my thesis, my
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master's thesis, like it was nota pleasurable experience.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, and it's because we're so forced, yes,
yes, and actually I just want totouch on because we usually
talk about you and I talk abouthealing.
But I talk about healing allthe time with anybody.
A lot of times we want to,let's say, somebody has a
confidence issue.
I mean, even what I just didwas like we, as infants, babies,
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we come here and I'm convincedthat babies are incredibly
intelligent.
They just don't have language,they don't have control of their
body, but they're like expertenergy readers, so they're
completely aware, whether theyknow it or not, they're
completely aware of what's goingon.
And when we have our, whateverrelationships we have with our
parents or don't have right, westart to associate that with
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what we would call normal.
I mean, that's our environment,where babies were trying to
survive.
That makes total sense.
So then there's this principleof okay, now you have to heal
all this stuff that youexperienced, as it doesn't
matter how old, whatever youngperson you are, you have these
things that you need to heal.
But still and it's not thatthere's blame on the parents,
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but there are even in mainstreamWestern medical system there's
a lot of emphasis on you knowshe's got mommy issues or she's
got daddy issues or you know,and they can work on it forever.
Right, really, it's not aboutthe other person, it's about you
and how you're dealing withwhatever is going on for you
inside of you, and what I reallylove about that is it takes
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that at least partially out ofthe bag.
It's not because these cousinsof your daughters don't have
loving parents.
I don't have any clue aboutthem, I don't even know them but
that's not to say that that'sthe cause of their feeling
discomforted in their own bodyor discomforted in their
environment.
Part of it's that they're notreally embracing their
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inclination to go and explorethe thing that really interests
them.
Would you agree?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, and we choose our parents before we come down
so we know what kind of likesituations we're going to be in.
So we're here to change that.
So A we can't blame our parentsfor everything you could, but
you're not going to go anywhere.
But when you stop blaming otherpeople, like your parents or
siblings or whatever, it'salways self-reflection.
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And that was the biggest thingthat I've learned, because
before I was, I was so ego.
When I first had my like myfirst daughter.
I'm like I'm the best parent Iam doing.
I'm playing with my kid on theplayground.
You guys are just sitting and Iwas so good ego.
It's terrible.
But once I started doing thishealing work and the healing
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work like I literally like wewere unschooling and I felt
really good about that.
But I also felt that I was lostand purposeless and then so I
wrote in my journal that I needhelp because I just wanted to
find that purpose.
So the next day I got an email.
It's like would you like to goon a spiritual retreat?
And I could feel in my body itwas like, yes, around this time.
I got like spider bites on myankles too.
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I'm around this time.
I got like spider bites on myankles too, like that's really
interesting, and that took meactually to a year-long program
where I learned about that I wasa healer and all these kind of
things and like learning on achannel and learning how to
reset boundaries, things likethat, and then.
So I really had to absorb that.
And then after that I gotspider bites on my ankle again,
and that's when I met my mentorthat I've been working with for
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a year.
So I know I need to change wasunderstanding my body and
understanding how things go,excuse me, oh, and now I'm just
getting to know you a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
We got a little distracted with the school stuff
I love.
I do like education, I likekids, you know.
So I'm gonna get distractedthat way.
But okay, so you've, you'vegone on this healing journey.
You part of it was schooling,yeah so I did it.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So I did this work for myself because I know I felt
, I felt in my body I needed todo this and I never understood
the impact it had on my childrenand my the people around me.
So by you doing the workyourself, by you healing, it
literally changes the peoplearound you.
My daughter has confidence.
My son can speak up for himself.
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Now we are visible.
It's okay to be seen Likethings like that.
And it's not like I did ahealing on them.
I literally just healed myselfand they felt the energy from me
healing.
So I'm doing all this work onmyself because I know I need to
do it.
It's always that like selfreflection, like how do I need
to heal?
And that's why I do healingsonce or twice a week minimum.
That's like with a healer coach, because I know that I need it
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and it makes a huge improvement.
Like we've gone from likeliving in a small little town to
an acreage.
Now we have a farm and now wehave to like build a new house.
Now it's like, uh, you know, wehad like no cattle to like
we're expanding yeah, yeah wekeep expanding and growing and
going like jumping timelines.
we keep, um, like I even jumpedto like a parallel timeline um
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just a couple months ago when Iwent from an 80 happiness to
like a 95 happiness and I cansee things how it all plays out,
like things are leaving, likechaotic, things are leaving us
and it's I'm just happier allthe time.
It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Okay.
So last night I had troublesleeping I need to work on that
but the last thing I listened toI don't listen to him all the
time, but I do listen to himoccasionally and it's usually
very succinct.
It's like oh, that was, that'swhat I've been waiting to do.
So, anyways, this video comesout with Bashar and I actually
just shared it on my socialmedia and I don't remember what
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it said.
It was like how to change yoursituation right now, that kind
of thing.
I'm actually just going tocheck it because I know we're
here.
Okay, so the video says this ishow you change instantly.
So it's referring.
I didn't know what it wasreferring to, but I thought,
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okay, I'm going to listen tothat, right.
And so I listened to him, andif you've ever listened to
Bashar, you know he's very goodat being very articulate
specifically about certainthings, and this is one of those
things.
So, as I fell asleep, I waslike, okay, so he's just really,
really articulate abouttimeline shifting.
And then we have our meditationtoday and I'm like, oh, it's
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actually about that too.
And now, as you're talking, I'mlike, oh, that's what it's
about.
So the video really wasemphasizing so this idea of
helping, like you're talkingabout that ripple effect where
you help yourself and then allof a sudden, all these other
people they're the people aroundyou.
But then think about whathappens to your kids.
Your kids are around theircousins, they can speak up and
say what they need to say.
They don't feel any hesitationaround that, and so the cousin
that's questioning themselvescan go and talk to her, right,
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and then, okay, so it's a hugeripple effect.
So the comment on the video washow do we essentially shift
timelines?
How do we go from being wherelet's just throw out there I
don't want to talk aboutpolitics, but that's what I'm
like.
Politics are so terrible, right.
How do we go from thatenvironment to where things are
really a lot better?
And the whole video reallytalks about you, and I actually
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channeled this in a hypnosissession several times.
It wasn't that you say no, I'mnot going to look at that,
Because that is that's AbrahamHicks talks about that a little
bit.
It's like if you deny something, you're also still giving
energy to it, because you'restill saying no, no, no right,
Whereas you don't do that.
You just simply kind of like ifyou think about looking at
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something instead of looking atit or instead of like
deliberately looking everywherethat it is not, you simply
soften your focus and then yougo to what is calling your
attention, what is of interestto you, you so what is it like?
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What is in your environmentthat represents what you want to
have happen?
So, if we're talking aboutpolitics being so terrible, we
don't want to ignore politics,we don't want to trash talk it,
we don't want to praise it, wedon't want to do any of that.
We just want to say, oh, lookat you.
Know, if you really want to gowith politics, maybe look at
this politician who's doingthese amazing things and you
focus on that.
And by focusing on that part ofit, whatever part of life
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you're looking at, if you'refocusing on that part of it,
then you cause that to grow andexpand.
Just like you're talking aboutyour family expanding, you're
looking at yourself.
You're healing yourself andyour family and your environment
and everything around you isjust getting bigger and bigger.
So same thing applies.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It's.
Where do you put your energyright?
It's because I've chosen not tolisten to the media for the
last few years and I'm happy.
I am like, I am good, I knowpeople like did you hear this?
I'm like I didn't like, chooseto have, like live a happy life.
I choose to be where I live.
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I choose to live on a farm.
I choose to be grounded.
I choose to be, try to be mymost authentic self.
I choose this life.
I don't want to know otherpeople's opinions, especially
like seven empath.
I'm autistic, like if you tellme things, I'm going to absorb
it.
So it's like no, like I keep mycircle very small because I
don't want to absorb otherpeople's energy.
And where I give my energybecause, like being the person I
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am, I'm actually constantlyhealing, even if I don't like,
um, think about it, my, myenergy is also like, uh, my body
is always healing, like withearth or whatever, like it's
always constantly healing.
So it's like where do I want toput the energy?
Like, well, I want to touchdown with earth, I want to
connect with her, like I want to, and it's so beautiful.
Like we planted some, some, somepeace and oats for our cows
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this year and like, okay, like Ireally like I'm about full crop
and I really put that likeenergy into our field and we
have this big, luscious crop andI like we drove around and seen
some other people's cropsaround us and it's like it's
like like sparks, it's barelylike anything.
There's like wow, like what,like sparse, it's barely like
anything.
There's like wow, like what Ido really matters, like energy,
like.
Or we're like we really needrain, cause we like had lots of
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fires last year.
I'm like, hey, we need a lot ofrain this year, like, and it
just came in as it needed to.
It was like thank you, and itjust it's always being that,
finding that connection of whoyou are, who you're meant to be.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah.
So I want to touch on somethingthat I got into meditation one
time.
It was very clear.
It was in our little groupmeditation.
I don't remember what the storywas, but this is something that
came out of it and I was like,oh wow, that was like really
super clear.
So I had this.
I don't know why.
I was trying to move energy,right.
So I'm in meditation prettydeep.
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I heard the other person in theroom.
I heard her, but I wasn't likecompletely in tune.
I was that much into meditation, no-transcript.
I got the image of like youthink about it, like moving your
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arm.
Before you move your arm, youthink about what it is to move
and then you, you have a, youhave time before your arm
actually moves.
That that's when the energy ismoving.
So and I was in that meditation, I played with that.
I didn't move because I was inmeditation, I was trying to stay
still, but I was still in thatparticular instance.
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I was actually moving my armper se to show myself, and I got
visuals in that particular one.
I don't always get visuals, butI got visuals and the message
that I got was very, very clearis that just by thinking of it,
you are moving that energy.
Just by having that intentionto move the energy, it is
actually moving.
So, and just because peoplecan't measure it with whatever
mechanisms they have, doesn'tmean that it's not happening.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
So for you to say you're always kind of working on
something, I think, I think weall are on some level because,
like you said, wherever you putyour attention, wherever you put
your energy, that's what'sgoing to expand so then if like,
let's say, going back topolitics, if you're like, oh, I
don't like like a lot of peoplein canada, don't like her prime
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minister, yeah, um, it's like,are you going to put that
attention on there?
Are you going to like, oh, he'slike where's.
Like like, um, you know, I wishhe wasn't here or they replace.
I mean, I was like, okay, like,okay, come back to yourself.
It's like, what do you need?
You know?
Like coming back to yourselfand stop giving your energy away
.
And it's, it's not you're.
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You're fueling the fire thatway by like adding your energy
to it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So, like, bring your energy back and just work on
yourself, and like working onyourself changes the world and
actually I find for me it waslike super duper literal
translation of exactly whatyou're talking about, because a
couple of years ago, when itfelt like a couple of years ago
when Trump was president, thatwas a big deal Okay.
But part of it is that Trump issomebody who kind of lights the
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fire.
He, like you know, instigatesstuff, so he does whatever.
And I used to see people andI'm not on either side, but I
have friends on either side andsometimes they would post things
and their responses that peoplewould get and give and they'd
be so angry about it They'd sayexactly the reason I don't like
this person, I don't want thisperson there.
And it was a perfect literalexample.
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It's like somebody postssomething on social media and
somebody always has somethingnegative to say.
Sometimes they have stuffpositive to say, but just by
saying it you're putting theenergy there.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
So if you really want that thing to stop, you just
pull away from it because I know, like, like when covid hit um
is like I was very angry at it.
I was angry that people had towear masks.
Like I literally went to likeone grocery store because I
could get away without wearing amask.
They wouldn't see anything andthey were like everywhere you go
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, people are wearing masks and Igo, like it bothered me so much
, like it hurt me.
It took me back to myconcentration camps.
Like it was so bad, um, but I Iwas so angry at it.
But with that it literallycatapulted and changed who I am,
because before covid my kidswere in the public's system.
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My husband's like do you wantto homeschool our kids?
Was like no, I don't want to dothat.
That that's stupid, you know.
Like our kids will be dumb, youknow.
So being angry can be acatapult for something beautiful
too.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to stop the
recording here, cause that'sactually a pretty good.
they do that thing where they like read and talk
about whose person is.
And then they, I don't do allthat shit.
I'm like, okay, you got theintroduction, this is the story.
And then we just talked about,we just I just cut straight to
whatever we're talking about.
So when we get to the meat ofit, so I'll cut all this out
when we get to the meat of it.
That's where I started.
So, but it's not bad for you to, I mean, you can tell us, tell
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us your story and a little bitabout your story.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Well, I am different.
I am janine and I am the whiteraven, okay, and I am a mom of
four and I'm a healer.
And I didn't know I was ahealer and I didn't know what I
was.
I didn't know I can already feelthis coming up how, like I
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raised my children and do thethings that I do, I didn't know
that the world will be changingand forming into the way that I
do things.
I was like when I first startedI was very structured, like our
kids were in public school, um,and then we um, you know, when
the COVID happened, everythingkind of switched and changed and
I knew I could feel it in mygut that I couldn't put my like
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basket on my kid, couldn't dothat.
So then we decided tohomeschool.
I did all these kind ofresearch and I tried to figure
it out.
We homeschooled, we tried thatand then we actually
transitioned to unschooling.
And then unschooling that waslike the catalyst of me changing
my ways and not adapting, to dolike looking at things
differently instead of justhaving a narrow, linear
perspective.
(01:41):
I actually opened up my mind toto learn new things and have
new opportunities come and withthat coming is unschooling uh,
where it's really child-basedit's they get to learn on their
own, like their own terms.
So, like my one son, he's verymuch into tractors and cars and
he can tell me all thesedifferent things about cars and
I have no idea what it is.
(02:02):
My other, my oldest daughter.
She's super into farming.
She always loves to do workswith the cattle, like they're
very different so they're veryself-learned children so they
kind of do their own things.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So it's similar.
Are you familiar withmontessori?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I think it's, it's something similar like that.
Um, yeah, it'd probably beclosest like for the, for a
visualized, to understand whatthat is.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I just want to touch on that briefly for listeners
who are not familiar with that.
And I know Montessori because Ihave a degree in education and
that was just one of the thingsthey make everybody learn.
So the Montessori program isthey do still go to school, so
in that sense they still go to aplace, they all go together,
but it's more of an openenvironment where the kids are
(02:49):
driven to explore the thingsthat interest them.
But they also do things thatyou know, you kind of have a
feel for developmentally, wherechildren are so, like when
they're young, they need totouch and feel.
They can be very tactile, sothey'll have them like trace
letters with their finger right.
But you know, for a child ofthe right age that's really
(03:13):
interesting because they'rereally just sensing that and
they're getting that motion,that almost muscle memory about
what the letter is.
And I'm sure they go through.
Unfortunately I didn't do.
I didn't teach Montessori and Ididn't go through it.
But when I learned about it Ithought to myself if there's any
way I could do this for my kids, I would do it.
It didn't work out for me.
I didn't wind up doing that.
But the Montessori programs inthe United States are only
(03:37):
actually through eighth grade,so it's about age 12 or 13.
And then after that they haveto go into the regular school
system if they're going tocontinue with that.
So would you say that theunschooling is more about kind
of releasing the structures andthe linear path that the school
systems usually have.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, the way that I can see and like visualize
because I'm such a visual personis like school is a box and
we're learning to play outsideof that box, learning your math
in your own way.
You're not learning in thatstructure, you are learning how
you are naturally meant to learn.
So my daughter will come up tome my younger, she's seven and
she's like I want to read this.
All right, let's read it.
(04:14):
You know like, and she justdoes that and like my other son,
he's really good at math andlike they will naturally do
their own things and in theirown time, without forcing.
Because we love to put labelsand we love to compare being in
school while this child can readand that like, the comparing is
huge.
So you're taking that comparingelement.
Now it's like okay, what areyou good at?
Okay, well, you're really goodat you know, like, working
(04:34):
cattle you're really good at,like my son, we have cows, so he
feeds up with a tractor, likehe's 12 and he's really awesome
at running a tracker.
So you let him do that and he'sbeen great at it.
So we give him opportunitiesfor him to thrive in his own
element or working in the shop,like pulling wrenches or like
learning tools.
I send him to the shop.
(04:56):
I'm like, okay, go grab this.
And he knows exactly where tograb it in the shop.
So it's very much child-basedlearning.
So sometimes it has papers, butmost times we don't have papers
.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
We just kind of learn as we go.
So I know you're in Canada.
How does that work, because Idon't think you guys are all
that much different than theUnited States?
But how does that work in termsof you know?
I actually did my thesis.
I can't remember I should say Iknow what my thesis was on, but
the most interesting part of myentire thesis was looking at the
purpose for education.
Like, what's the drivingmotivation behind the education
(05:32):
system?
I'm in America.
It was about American right,and the whole purpose behind
establishing a school system inthe United States was built upon
creating an environment whereit creates citizens that could
read and understand what thepoliticians were saying, so that
(05:52):
they could vote as criticalthinkers.
Now, do we do that?
I don't know right, likethere's a whole lot of stuff we
could say about that, but thatwas the intent behind it, and I
find it really interesting thatwhat you're talking about, this
unschooling, is more aboutdeveloping the person than it is
about, like in the Americansystem, that really was set up
(06:15):
to create a society in a waythat benefited the politicians,
right, and so it's the peoplethat have the people that run
things, which is not necessarilya bad concept, but it's not
about developing the individualperson you know to the best of
whatever it is they are to doand it's so structured too, like
(06:37):
we're so used.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
To start, you have to sit down, you have to do this,
you have all the rules.
Do math only this way, like youdid, you got the right answer,
but you did like the problem.
So, like you did the, the workwas wrong, wrong meaning not the
way that somebody said that itshould be done yeah, exactly
like you still got the correctanswer but you used your own
method, but it's you still get xstrong because you didn't do it
(06:59):
their way.
So it's really likeself-exploring.
So then, what I've reallynoticed so my daughter is 14 and
she's my oldest.
She has a lot of confidencebecause I've healed on it myself
, but also like she's out ofthat system.
She's not in that constantdrama scene either, and she has
(07:21):
cousins and friends that are inher age group and they are very
non-confident.
One was suicidal, one had lotsof relationship issues and
there's just so many thingsbecause they're in that
environment and it's always justlike drama and chaos.
And I remember being in highschool.
I went to public school, um,and I didn't.
(07:41):
I didn't love myself, you know,like I wore, like I wore makeup
and like I was always trying tolike oh, if I look thin, I'll
like people like me, because Ithought people who thin, like
didn't have any problems, was mythinking like like this.
So I'm thinking I don't thinkthat's abnormal.
Honestly, I think a lot ofpeople think that yeah, so now,
(08:02):
like with healing that andworking on myself, like, no,
like, instead of like puttingclothes on because I'm still a
bigger lady, um, it helps mechannel work, since I am bigger,
um.
And so, instead of like puttingclothes on, it's like oh, does
this make me look fat?
I've changed it.
It's like, well, does this like?
Does that, do I look good?
Does this outfit suit me?
Does this match me?
Does this match my energy?
(08:23):
Yeah, so it's like, it's veryempowering.
So I've noticed a change, uh,within my kids of they're more
freedom, like they think moreand they, um, they're more
freedom thinkers.
So with unschooling, it's moreum, they're always like lifelong
learners because, whetherwhatever they're going learn,
whatever they're interested in,they're going to learn about
(08:43):
what in school is like you haveto learn, it's like I don't want
to learn it, you know, and thenthey don't care and then they
just do the test and theycompletely forget about it.
But you can ask, like my kids,you know, like my son knows all
this stuff about cars, but he'sinterested and he loves it, and
so it's like, well, that's histhing, that's his passion, it's
so interesting I couldn't evenremember what my thesis, my
(09:05):
master's thesis, like it was nota pleasurable experience.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, and it's because we're so forced, yes,
yes, and actually I just want totouch on because we usually
talk about you and I talk abouthealing.
But I talk about healing allthe time with anybody.
A lot of times we want to,let's say, somebody has a
confidence issue.
I mean, even what I just didwas like we, as infants, babies,
(09:31):
we come here and I'm convincedthat babies are incredibly
intelligent.
They just don't have language,they don't have control of their
body, but they're like expertenergy readers, so they're
completely aware, whether theyknow it or not, they're
completely aware of what's goingon.
And when we have our, whateverrelationships we have with our
parents or don't have right, westart to associate that with
(09:57):
what we would call normal.
I mean, that's our environment,where babies were trying to
survive.
That makes total sense.
So then there's this principleof okay, now you have to heal
all this stuff that youexperienced, as it doesn't
matter how old, whatever youngperson you are, you have these
things that you need to heal.
But still and it's not thatthere's blame on the parents,
(10:17):
but there are even in mainstreamWestern medical system there's
a lot of emphasis on you knowshe's got mommy issues or she's
got daddy issues or you know,and they can work on it forever.
Right, really, it's not aboutthe other person, it's about you
and how you're dealing withwhatever is going on for you
inside of you, and what I reallylove about that is it takes
(10:41):
that at least partially out ofthe bag.
It's not because these cousinsof your daughters don't have
loving parents.
I don't have any clue aboutthem, I don't even know them but
that's not to say that that'sthe cause of their feeling
discomforted in their own bodyor discomforted in their
environment.
Part of it's that they're notreally embracing their
(11:04):
inclination to go and explorethe thing that really interests
them.
Would you agree?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, and we choose our parents before we come down
so we know what kind of likesituations we're going to be in.
So we're here to change that.
So A we can't blame our parentsfor everything you could, but
you're not going to go anywhere.
But when you stop blaming otherpeople, like your parents or
siblings or whatever, it'salways self-reflection.
(11:32):
And that was the biggest thingthat I've learned, because
before I was, I was so ego.
When I first had my like myfirst daughter.
I'm like I'm the best parent Iam doing.
I'm playing with my kid on theplayground.
You guys are just sitting and Iwas so good ego.
It's terrible.
But once I started doing thishealing work and the healing
(11:52):
work like I literally like wewere unschooling and I felt
really good about that.
But I also felt that I was lostand purposeless and then so I
wrote in my journal that I needhelp because I just wanted to
find that purpose.
So the next day I got an email.
It's like would you like to goon a spiritual retreat?
And I could feel in my body itwas like, yes, around this time.
I got like spider bites on myankles too.
(12:13):
I'm around this time.
I got like spider bites on myankles too, like that's really
interesting, and that took meactually to a year-long program
where I learned about that I wasa healer and all these kind of
things and like learning on achannel and learning how to
reset boundaries, things likethat, and then.
So I really had to absorb that.
And then after that I gotspider bites on my ankle again,
and that's when I met my mentorthat I've been working with for
(12:34):
a year.
So I know I need to change wasunderstanding my body and
understanding how things go,excuse me, oh, and now I'm just
getting to know you a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
We got a little distracted with the school stuff
I love.
I do like education, I likekids, you know.
So I'm gonna get distractedthat way.
But okay, so you've, you'vegone on this healing journey.
You part of it was schooling,yeah so I did it.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So I did this work for myself because I know I felt
, I felt in my body I needed todo this and I never understood
the impact it had on my childrenand my the people around me.
So by you doing the workyourself, by you healing, it
literally changes the peoplearound you.
My daughter has confidence.
My son can speak up for himself.
(13:21):
Now we are visible.
It's okay to be seen Likethings like that.
And it's not like I did ahealing on them.
I literally just healed myselfand they felt the energy from me
healing.
So I'm doing all this work onmyself because I know I need to
do it.
It's always that like selfreflection, like how do I need
to heal?
And that's why I do healingsonce or twice a week minimum.
That's like with a healer coach, because I know that I need it
(13:44):
and it makes a huge improvement.
Like we've gone from likeliving in a small little town to
an acreage.
Now we have a farm and now wehave to like build a new house.
Now it's like, uh, you know, wehad like no cattle to like
we're expanding yeah, yeah wekeep expanding and growing and
going like jumping timelines.
we keep, um, like I even jumpedto like a parallel timeline um
(14:05):
just a couple months ago when Iwent from an 80 happiness to
like a 95 happiness and I cansee things how it all plays out,
like things are leaving, likechaotic, things are leaving us
and it's I'm just happier allthe time.
It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Okay.
So last night I had troublesleeping I need to work on that
but the last thing I listened toI don't listen to him all the
time, but I do listen to himoccasionally and it's usually
very succinct.
It's like oh, that was, that'swhat I've been waiting to do.
So, anyways, this video comesout with Bashar and I actually
just shared it on my socialmedia and I don't remember what
(14:42):
it said.
It was like how to change yoursituation right now, that kind
of thing.
I'm actually just going tocheck it because I know we're
here.
Okay, so the video says this ishow you change instantly.
So it's referring.
I didn't know what it wasreferring to, but I thought,
(15:02):
okay, I'm going to listen tothat, right.
And so I listened to him, andif you've ever listened to
Bashar, you know he's very goodat being very articulate
specifically about certainthings, and this is one of those
things.
So, as I fell asleep, I waslike, okay, so he's just really,
really articulate abouttimeline shifting.
And then we have our meditationtoday and I'm like, oh, it's
(15:26):
actually about that too.
And now, as you're talking, I'mlike, oh, that's what it's
about.
So the video really wasemphasizing so this idea of
helping, like you're talkingabout that ripple effect where
you help yourself and then allof a sudden, all these other
people they're the people aroundyou.
But then think about whathappens to your kids.
Your kids are around theircousins, they can speak up and
say what they need to say.
They don't feel any hesitationaround that, and so the cousin
that's questioning themselvescan go and talk to her, right,
(15:50):
and then, okay, so it's a hugeripple effect.
So the comment on the video washow do we essentially shift
timelines?
How do we go from being wherelet's just throw out there I
don't want to talk aboutpolitics, but that's what I'm
like.
Politics are so terrible, right.
How do we go from thatenvironment to where things are
really a lot better?
And the whole video reallytalks about you, and I actually
(16:12):
channeled this in a hypnosissession several times.
It wasn't that you say no, I'mnot going to look at that,
Because that is that's AbrahamHicks talks about that a little
bit.
It's like if you deny something, you're also still giving
energy to it, because you'restill saying no, no, no right,
Whereas you don't do that.
You just simply kind of like ifyou think about looking at
(16:35):
something instead of looking atit or instead of like
deliberately looking everywherethat it is not, you simply
soften your focus and then yougo to what is calling your
attention, what is of interestto you, you so what is it like?
(16:56):
What is in your environmentthat represents what you want to
have happen?
So, if we're talking aboutpolitics being so terrible, we
don't want to ignore politics,we don't want to trash talk it,
we don't want to praise it, wedon't want to do any of that.
We just want to say, oh, lookat you.
Know, if you really want to gowith politics, maybe look at
this politician who's doingthese amazing things and you
focus on that.
And by focusing on that part ofit, whatever part of life
(17:17):
you're looking at, if you'refocusing on that part of it,
then you cause that to grow andexpand.
Just like you're talking aboutyour family expanding, you're
looking at yourself.
You're healing yourself andyour family and your environment
and everything around you isjust getting bigger and bigger.
So same thing applies.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It's.
Where do you put your energyright?
It's because I've chosen not tolisten to the media for the
last few years and I'm happy.
I am like, I am good, I knowpeople like did you hear this?
I'm like I didn't like, chooseto have, like live a happy life.
I choose to be where I live.
(17:55):
I choose to live on a farm.
I choose to be grounded.
I choose to be, try to be mymost authentic self.
I choose this life.
I don't want to know otherpeople's opinions, especially
like seven empath.
I'm autistic, like if you tellme things, I'm going to absorb
it.
So it's like no, like I keep mycircle very small because I
don't want to absorb otherpeople's energy.
And where I give my energybecause, like being the person I
(18:16):
am, I'm actually constantlyhealing, even if I don't like,
um, think about it, my, myenergy is also like, uh, my body
is always healing, like withearth or whatever, like it's
always constantly healing.
So it's like where do I want toput the energy?
Like, well, I want to touchdown with earth, I want to
connect with her, like I want to, and it's so beautiful.
Like we planted some, some, somepeace and oats for our cows
(18:39):
this year and like, okay, like Ireally like I'm about full crop
and I really put that likeenergy into our field and we
have this big, luscious crop andI like we drove around and seen
some other people's cropsaround us and it's like it's
like like sparks, it's barelylike anything.
There's like wow, like what,like sparse, it's barely like
anything.
There's like wow, like what Ido really matters, like energy,
like.
Or we're like we really needrain, cause we like had lots of
(19:01):
fires last year.
I'm like, hey, we need a lot ofrain this year, like, and it
just came in as it needed to.
It was like thank you, and itjust it's always being that,
finding that connection of whoyou are, who you're meant to be.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah.
So I want to touch on somethingthat I got into meditation one
time.
It was very clear.
It was in our little groupmeditation.
I don't remember what the storywas, but this is something that
came out of it and I was like,oh wow, that was like really
super clear.
So I had this.
I don't know why.
I was trying to move energy,right.
So I'm in meditation prettydeep.
(19:34):
I heard the other person in theroom.
I heard her, but I wasn't likecompletely in tune.
I was that much into meditation, no-transcript.
I got the image of like youthink about it, like moving your
(19:55):
arm.
Before you move your arm, youthink about what it is to move
and then you, you have a, youhave time before your arm
actually moves.
That that's when the energy ismoving.
So and I was in that meditation, I played with that.
I didn't move because I was inmeditation, I was trying to stay
still, but I was still in thatparticular instance.
(20:22):
I was actually moving my armper se to show myself, and I got
visuals in that particular one.
I don't always get visuals, butI got visuals and the message
that I got was very, very clearis that just by thinking of it,
you are moving that energy.
Just by having that intentionto move the energy, it is
actually moving.
So, and just because peoplecan't measure it with whatever
mechanisms they have, doesn'tmean that it's not happening.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
So for you to say you're always kind of working on
something, I think, I think weall are on some level because,
like you said, wherever you putyour attention, wherever you put
your energy, that's what'sgoing to expand so then if like,
let's say, going back topolitics, if you're like, oh, I
don't like like a lot of peoplein canada, don't like her prime
(21:04):
minister, yeah, um, it's like,are you going to put that
attention on there?
Are you going to like, oh, he'slike where's.
Like like, um, you know, I wishhe wasn't here or they replace.
I mean, I was like, okay, like,okay, come back to yourself.
It's like, what do you need?
You know?
Like coming back to yourselfand stop giving your energy away
.
And it's, it's not you're.
(21:25):
You're fueling the fire thatway by like adding your energy
to it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So, like, bring your energy back and just work on
yourself, and like working onyourself changes the world and
actually I find for me it waslike super duper literal
translation of exactly whatyou're talking about, because a
couple of years ago, when itfelt like a couple of years ago
when Trump was president, thatwas a big deal Okay.
But part of it is that Trump issomebody who kind of lights the
(21:52):
fire.
He, like you know, instigatesstuff, so he does whatever.
And I used to see people andI'm not on either side, but I
have friends on either side andsometimes they would post things
and their responses that peoplewould get and give and they'd
be so angry about it They'd sayexactly the reason I don't like
this person, I don't want thisperson there.
And it was a perfect literalexample.
(22:14):
It's like somebody postssomething on social media and
somebody always has somethingnegative to say.
Sometimes they have stuffpositive to say, but just by
saying it you're putting theenergy there.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
So if you really want that thing to stop, you just
pull away from it because I know, like, like when covid hit um
is like I was very angry at it.
I was angry that people had towear masks.
Like I literally went to likeone grocery store because I
could get away without wearing amask.
They wouldn't see anything andthey were like everywhere you go
(22:46):
, people are wearing masks and Igo, like it bothered me so much
, like it hurt me.
It took me back to myconcentration camps.
Like it was so bad, um, but I Iwas so angry at it.
But with that it literallycatapulted and changed who I am,
because before covid my kidswere in the public's system.
(23:08):
My husband's like do you wantto homeschool our kids?
Was like no, I don't want to dothat.
That that's stupid, you know.
Like our kids will be dumb, youknow.
So being angry can be acatapult for something beautiful
too.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to stop the
recording here, cause that'sactually a pretty good.
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