April 23, 2025 • 31 mins
Bill Williams, our esteemed guest, recounts a remarkable journey that spans multiple careers, from his early days in a military family to his current role as a registered investment advisor. His formative years, characterized by transient schooling, laid a foundation that ultimately led him to earn both a Bachelor’s and a Master’s degree in Broadcasting and Journalism from Texas Tech University. Following a tenure in educational television and communications consultancy, he transitioned into financial advisement, where he continues to make impactful contributions. Throughout our dialogue, Bill emphasizes the importance of resilience, encapsulated in his favorite piece of advice: “Never give up.” This episode not only highlights his professional evolution but also serves as an inspiring testament to the power of perseverance and the value of nurturing connections in varied fields.
In this enlightening discourse, Bill Williams, a veteran in the field of communications, shares his remarkable life journey that spans numerous roles and experiences. Raised in a military household, he attended a staggering 13 schools across the United States, which instilled in him a sense of adaptability and resilience. His academic pursuits led him to Texas Tech University, where he obtained both a Bachelor’s and a Master’s degree in Broadcasting and Journalism. His quest for knowledge did not end there; he further pursued a doctorate in mass communications at the University of Texas, where he also contributed as a faculty member while overseeing a four-city instructional television network. Bill's career subsequently took him to Ohio, where he served as the director of instructional television at Bowling Green State University, and eventually to Washington D.C., where he established his own communications consulting firm. After two decades in the nation's capital, he returned to Ohio, where he shifted his focus toward becoming a registered investment advisor, illustrating his remarkable ability to pivot and adapt to new professional landscapes.
Throughout the conversation, Williams emphasizes the value of perseverance and the profound impact of mentorship, recalling the pivotal advice he received to 'never give up'. This mantra has been a cornerstone of his professional ethos, guiding him through various challenges and career transitions. He recounts an inspiring story involving Adrian Vaughn, a mentor who saw potential in him despite his initial lack of experience in photography. This relationship not only shaped his career but also exemplified the crucial role that mentors play in fostering growth and resilience in individuals navigating their professional paths.
Additionally, Williams offers insightful commentary on the evolving nature of communication in today’s digital age, where the sheer volume of information can often obscure the truth. He articulates the importance of discernment in evaluating the credibility of sources amidst the cacophony of competing narratives. His reflections serve as a reminder of the critical need for individuals to engage thoughtfully with the information they consume and to remain vigilant in their quest for truth. This dialogue not only showcases Williams' extensive expertise in communications but also provides valuable lessons on resilience, mentorship, and the importance of critical thinking in an information-rich world.
Takeaways:
- Bill Williams' childhood was marked by frequent relocations due to his military family background, attending 13 different schools.
- After obtaining his degrees in Journalism and Broadcasting, he pursued a doctoral program in mass communications, ultimately becoming a faculty member.
- His career progression included roles such as the director of instructional television and later, establishing his own communications consulting firm.
- In a significant career shift, he became a registered investment advisor,...
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My guest today, Bill Williamsgrew up in a military family, moving
all over the country andattending 13 different schools.
Before graduating, he attendedTexas Tech, graduating with a BA
and MA in Broadcasting and Journalism.
He did additional work througha doctorate in mass communications
at University of Texas wherehe was on the faculty and manager
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of a four city instructionaltelevision network.
He then went on to Ohio wherehe is the director of instructional
television at Bowling GreenState University for three years.
From there, Bill moved toWashington D.C.
where he started his owncommunications consulting firm.
Twenty years later, he movedhis growing family back to Ohio where
his two young girls grew uparound family and friends, something
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he'd never been able to do asa child.
At that point, he changedcareers and became a registered investment
advisor.
Until now.
We welcome Bill to the podcast.
Well, Bill, welcome to the podcast.
How you doing today, my friend?
Doing very well.
Thanks for the invitation.
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I appreciate it.
Well, it's good to have you onand I hope you enjoy that ice storm.
We'll keep it on your end andkeep it away from us at Iowa.
We don't need more ice.
We didn't really need it here.
But we'll take what we can get.
That's right, you'll take whatyou can get.
So I'm going to ask you myfavorite question.
What's the best piece ofadvice, advice you've ever received?
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Never give up.
Oh, I love that.
Never give up.
There's always somethingaround the corner that is so true.
And you know, sometimes wedon't see it coming, but when we
don't give up, we're soblessed when we it actually comes
our way.
Absolutely.
Just wait a while and thingswill get better.
That's right.
Wait a while.
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The sun.
The sun will rise.
I'm curious, Bill.
Think about in your life, whoare some people that served as an
inspiration or a mentor foryou on your journey?
One person comes to mindimmediately and has long passed away.
His name was Adrian Vaughn.
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He was director of news andinformation for Texas Tech College.
And I was offered a job as a photographer.
And my only experience was I'dbeen two meetings of the high school
camera club.
And that was it.
And the person who hired metook me downstairs to the basement
and said, this is the developer.
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This is the fix.
This is the stop bath.
This is the dryer.
Good luck.
So I went out and bought allthe books I could on photography
and darkroom work and did mybest, but my best was really not
very much at all the firstcouple of weeks.
But he didn't fire me.
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He kept me on, and eventuallyI got to the point where I won a
bunch of awards for the officefor their photography.
So had he fired me, which heshould have done, I would never have
had the career I did.
Wow, that's such a neat story.
And who knew that you would go from.
Only experience you had was ahigh school Photoshop, too, where
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that's what that led you to.
Yeah, I certainly wouldn'thave believed it, because, you know,
the first assignment he sentme out to take a picture, I came
back with the mostembarrassing question a photographer
ever asked.
Where's the button you push?
Oh, no.
Admittedly, in my defense, itwas a camera that is unlike any other
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camera I've used in 60 years.
And it didn't have a button to push.
It was a roller cord, and ithad a lever that you would use to
cock the shutter.
Then to take the picture, youwould have to push the lever back
in the other direction.
And I had never heard of it,and I'd never seen anything like
it since.
But that was my firstexperience with professional photography.
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Where do you push the button?
My goodness.
That would be a good question, though.
I love that.
So how did you go from aphotojournalist at 18 to.
And how'd that shape your career?
You talked about, you know,you got some awards, but how did
that experience shape your journey?
Well, I found that I liked it.
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But, you know, while I wasthere, I was also writing, and I
actually had planned to be anaeronautical engineer, and that was
my major in college, butdiscovered I didn't like math.
I figured that's not really agood match.
And so I changed majors anumber of times.
I tried this and I tried that,and I was in my fifth year as an
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undergraduate, and I wassitting in the union building with
a friend who was on thefaculty, and he said, you know, Bill,
I was looking at yourtranscripts, and you've got enough
hours to graduate next semester.
And I jumped up, grabbed himby the collar and said, great.
In what?
And he said, well, if you takethree more classes in speech, you
can graduate as a speech major.
And since broadcasting was inthe speech department department,
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and I was already working onthe radio station, I said, yeah,
okay, we can do that.
And then the photography ledme into television, and I got my
master's in broadcasting andtelevision and journalism.
And that's just one thing ledto another.
What a.
What a neat career.
So you've spent a lot of timein journalism and broadcasting.
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What part about that was themost memorable experience?
For you.
After I got out, I was workingon a doctorate at the University
of Texas and acting as aconsultant to a bunch of colleges
who were setting up television studios.
Now, keep in mind, this wasback in the mid-1960s, and educational
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television was something brand new.
And I went out to thesecolleges and discovered that they
were so far in the dark, Icouldn't believe it.
You know, it's.
Well, we're going to set upthe studio.
We've got some space here.
Well, it's got some pillars inthe middle of the room.
That's not going to make a big.
A good studio or who's in charge?
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Well, Jane gave, you know, Igave Jane the responsibility for
setting it up.
What's her experience?
She was my secretary, youknow, and so those were the.
The problems we were facingback in the 60s and trying to set
up educational andinstructional television.
It was a bizarre world.
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Wow, that's interesting.
So you spent 20 years in D.C.
as well.
I'm kind of curious, as youthink, about some of the challenges
you face in Communications in D.C.
how did you help solve some ofthose with trade associations and
government agencies?
Well, Postal Service was agood example.
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They asked me, you know, howcan we go ahead and set up or get
more people to buy stamps thatthey don't use?
I said, that sounds like it'sa job for stamp collectors.
They said, well, how do we getmore stamp collectors?
And I said, well, why don't westart putting stamp clubs in schools?
Elementary schools start kidsbuying stamps early.
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Well, put together a plan forstamp clubs and schools.
So I developed the BenjaminFranklin Stamp Club.
And to get it to use in theschools, what we did was we put together
a package for the teachers onhow to teach history using stamps.
We included some materials forthe teacher.
We included some handout materials.
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We included some posters andthings like that, and then made it
available to elementary school teachers.
They said, if you could sell1500 of these things, it will be
a success.
On the first several months, Isold 20,000 of these things.
Wow.
So that worked out pretty well.
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That's interesting.
So can you.
Can you help the PostalService now?
Because I seem to bestruggling a little bit more now.
Well, the management back thenwas a whole different story than
the management today.
But the Postal Service doesabsolutely remarkable stuff with
the idea today.
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What, 75 cents a letter.
But if you put this stamp onthe letter, it will deliver it to
any one of 300 million peoplethroughout the United States or really
around the world in two to 10 days.
I mean, what a concept.
I mean that's just absolutely marvelous.
It is amazing.
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I love course back then itcost 3 cents.
So big difference.
It's true.
Yes.
To fly a 3 cent stamp aroundthe world.
Yeah, it doesn't really coverthe cost.
I noticed that you worked withFEMA and I'm curious as you think
about your work with fema.
We've seen a lot of thingswith disaster response.
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Any insight you have as to howFEMA works and maybe gives the audience
some insights as to maybe someof the struggles that you might have
noticed when you worked with fema?
Well, one of the things thatwe noticed is the fact that when
disasters occurred and thefemale showed up on site, we were
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always welcomed and we alwaysdid our very best to get the result
job done.
But we knew we had 10 days andif everybody wasn't satisfied in
10 days, we were going to bethe bad guy because everybody wasn't
made whole in 10 days andthere is no way that's going to happen.
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So basically our plan was dothe very best we can and get everybody
out there that we can on ourside because in 10 days they're all
going to be against us.
And that's pretty much the wayit is now.
Of course, now seeing therecent activities down in the Carolinas,
we got other people out therestirring up hatred against these
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terrible people from FEMAbecause oh my God, they haven't resolved
everything and there'ssomething else wrong so they must
be stealing your money.
And I will have to say thatthe average person on a FEMA disaster
relief is not a regulargovernment employee.
They're a volunteer or a whilewae while actually employed.
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Okay.
They come on to work for FEMAwhen they are needed.
And that was my situation forthe first four years I was doing
my other jobs and I'd get acall saying, hey, can you take one
an assignment this afternoonor tomorrow or we're having big problems
coming up next Monday, can yougo out someplace?
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And I do it.
And that's what 90% of theseother people do too.
They're not regular employees.
They just do it because theywant to be there and want to help.
And I don't know of a betterincentive for people to be doing
that.
Sounds like FEMA needs abetter communications advocate to
explain exactly what FEMAactually does do and can do.
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Well, that was my role in 1980as director of News and information
is to get the word out.
And we came up with a wholebunch of new programs using computers
and all to be able to get theword out and a new computer database
and all that sort of stuff.
And Jimmy Carter lost theelection and a new administration
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came in.
And the first thing they didwas get rid of all of our plans and
everything else.
You know, one of the thingsthat we had to do was develop disaster
plans for just abouteverything imaginable.
And I worked on the disasterplan for the next earthquake in San
Francisco.
It's going to happen.
You know, what are we going todo about it?
And so we had the whole planset up.
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And then about 1981 or 82, thehurricane, the earthquake happened,
and we thought, boy, we've gotall the plans set up.
Well, they don't thrown outall the plans because they had done
by.
Been done by a Democratic administration.
And so they had no plans forwhat to do when the occasion occurred.
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Politics is a huge problem ina case like that.
That sounds like it.
So I'm curious, in all thework that you've done, especially
in the area of communication,government, what do you notice as
maybe some of the biggerchallenges that communication and
government wrestle with asthey try to kind of.
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Because there's so much newsout there, there's so much information
out there, it's hard to findgood sources of quality information.
So how do you go about findingthe truth in all of the noise?
Well, Keith, I gotta tell you,I don't know.
Okay, well, that's why Ibrought you on.
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Solve that problem for me.
Well, I couldn't solve theproblems as they existed 40 years
ago because that was when Iwas active there.
Yeah.
And I solved some of them.
One of the problems we had waswith clients like me, contractors
like me getting paid.
And I was a lobbyist.
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I was elected president of theIndependent Media Producers Association.
So as a lobbyist, I went in tocampaign for the Federal Government
Prompt Payment act with theidea that the government should pay
its bills on time.
What a concept.
Okay, Novel concept.
And so I, yeah, I remembermaking a.
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I was a witness at one of theSenate agencies and I held up a copy
of an invoice that my companyhad sent to the Postal Service and
It was paid 18 months late.
And when they finally paid it,they took their prompt payment discount.
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So we got the Prompt Paymentact of.
We got the Prompt payment Actof 1984 passed, requiring the government
to pay their bills on time andif they don't pay their bills on
time, to pay the penalty.
Because that was a brand new concept.
Wow.
Just, just, wow.
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Government efficiency at its best.
Well, let's, let's face it, anawful lot of government is the problems
are not the government employees.
Regardless of what we'rehearing from the current administration,
it's not the employees whoreally try to do a good job.
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The problem is these peoplewho are put in to take over every
four years come in with theirnew ideas and things that frankly
in many cases just don't work.
One of the things that myIndependent Media Producers association
did was found a problem thatwas about to happen because the politicians
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had decided we have too manypeople doing films and TV programs
and all for the government.
We're going to send out acontract to the big studios in Hollywood
and we'd only have fivecontracts and the five big studios
would handle it all.
Well, that would put 20,000people out of business.
Furthermore, the big studios,MGM isn't the least bit interested
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in doing little how to do itinstructional programs for the federal
government.
And if they did, the costswould quadruple or quintuple because
they'd be using union, studiounion, production union.
You have to have 32 people onsite to produce this little classroom
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thing.
And so we finally got thatshot down.
But it took a year to get thatparticular idea of shut down and
out of the system.
Oh my word.
I love to focus on a littlebit more on instructional programs.
So tell us a little bit abouthow you good.
How you went about developinginstructional videos for the government.
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I'm just kind of curious.
I know I've, I haven't seenthose in a while.
Do they still do those?
Oh, I'm sure they do.
I produced a whole series ofproductions for Housing and Urban
Development, you know,seamless floor coating and fog dry
spray painting and things ofthat nature.
Not terribly interesting, butyou have to get the word out as to
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how to do it.
I did a series of publicaffairs announcements for again for
HUD on lead based paint andthe dangers of lead based paint.
And we were down in Las, LosAngeles, New Orleans, helping with
a school that was having tohave all the paint removed in the
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school because it was all leadbased and the kids were eating the
paint.
You know, elementary school kids.
Hey, it's tasty, it's sweet.
Here's a flake of paint.
Have a bite.
We got the films done andshowed how to do it and why schools
needed to get rid of leadbased paint.
Well, I never imagined eatingpaint, but I have heard about that
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because I lived in Detroitback in the early 90s and that was
a big issue in Detroit.
Lead based Paint in homes.
And for some reason, I neverimagined kids were eating it.
But now that you mentionedthat it has a sweet taste, I suppose
it's like candy.
And it is a problem.
I know you ran across that alot in our urban area of lead based
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paint problems.
And it's still an issue outthere, particularly with older homes
and older schools and older buildings.
Right.
You know, who wants to scrapeall the paint off the walls and wearing
hazmat suits?
But it's got to be done.
So you've spent all yourcareer doing this wonderful kind
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of work.
What's been the most rewardingpart of the work you've done in the
past?
Well, the work with FEMA hasdefinitely been the most rewarding.
And I've got one experiencethat I'll share with you and your
viewers.
I was called.
This was, I guess in the late70s, there was a huge storm in Arizona.
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And I was called out to helpwith the flooding in Phoenix.
And when they called me, Isaid, you've got to be joking.
Phoenix flooding, Right.
Exactly.
Well, there's a salt riverruns through Phoenix.
It's a dry river.
And normally at the time, 27bridges went across that dry river.
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But this flood came down.
And when I was called, therewere only three bridges left up.
So that was pretty significant.
And we were working on that.
And we were helped with armyhelicopters flying out to Navajo
Indian reservation to drop hayto their cattle because the cattles
were stranded on these littleislands because there was so much
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rain up there.
And somebody asked me, youknow, what about the Hopis?
Well, the Hopi Indians live inthat same area, but the Hopies live
up on mesas that are 700ftabove the ground level.
Okay.
And their villages on the topof these mesas were built there for
protection.
And they've been dated backover a thousand years old.
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They've been there forever.
And so I made arrangements andwe flew up, took the helicopter up
to the Hopi reservation andmet with the tribal chairman and
said, you know, what's going on?
And he said, well, the rainsbasically melted our homes because
they're made out of adobe,which is another word for mud brick.
Okay.
And when you get a lot ofwater, what happens to mud or dirt?
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It becomes mud.
And I said, well, we canprovide some aid to help you build
it.
And he says, no, we don't want it.
If you look down there on theground, you know, about half a mile
over there, there's a wholevillage that is a village that is
totally uninhabited becausethe Last time we asked for help,
HUD came in and said,everything has to be built to HUD
standards, and they're builtdown there, they're to HUD standards,
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but nobody wants to live therebecause they want to live with our
people up here on the mesas.
And I said, well, let's see ifwe can't do something else.
And so we came up with an ideawhere we could give them aid as a
foreign nation through theState Department, because technically,
tribes are separate nations.
And I said, you know, I'dreally appreciate it if I could come
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out and take pictures of theresponse and rebuilding that you've
been doing there.
And he said, absolutely not.
If that's part of the deal,keep your money.
And I said, it's definitelynot part of the deal.
Just we'd like to have somerecords of it, but if that's part
of the deal, I never ask.
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And so they got the money,they started doing it.
And a month or so later, I'mback in Washington, and I got a call
at my home.
It was a tribal chairman.
He said, Mr.
Williams, if you'd like tocome out and take pictures of our
work, we'd love to have you asour guest.
I said, I can be out there ina couple of days.
So I was out and spent about aweek living with the Hopis as their
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guest.
It was absolutely marvelous.
Got a bunch of great pictures.
And before I left, I asked thetribal chairman, I said, you know,
why did you change your mind?
He said, well, sir, in thewhole history of our tribe, this
is the first time the whiteman has ever made a promise to us
and then kept it.
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Wow.
That made me feel really,really good.
I'm.
I'm curious how were the.
Was the work they done, how did.
How was it different than whatwe built for them and our expertise?
Well, the houses that the Hopilive in, as I mentioned, are adobe,
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which are mud brick.
Okay.
Mud brick is not an acceptablebuilding standard in the US as I'm
at right now.
Okay.
And they're roofs aresupported by what they call Vegas,
which are logs, okay?
And it's all built withnatural materials and built by hand.
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And so there's none of thisprefabricated concrete blocks and
wood and everything else,because, let's face it, out in the
desert there, you don't have alot of lumberyards and everything
else.
So you use what's availableand use the same things that they
have been using for centuries.
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While I was out there, theygave me a little Toy top that they
had found in one of thesebuildings that had been destroyed.
And it and a couple otherthings that were found at that time
had been radiocarbon datedback to the year 800.
Wow.
So they've been there a while.
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That's amazing.
I found out later I was thefirst white man ever allowed to photograph
on the Hopi reservation.
I bet those pictures weregoing back to your early beginning.
But those were like,phenomenal pictures that you could
share.
They are.
But no, I couldn't share them.
That was part of the deal.
Okay.
I could never make anycommercial use of them.
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I could use them for a reportto Congress or for government reports,
but I had no permission to usethem in magazines and things like
that.
I did get permission to useone of the pictures on the COVID
for a magazine put out by theNational Press Photographers association,
but other than that, they'restill in my basement.
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Wow.
Before I die, I hope to getthem converted and take them out
and give them as a gift to theHopi tribe for their records.
That would be neat.
That would be a really, reallywonderful use of remembering what
you've done.
As you think about thecommunication landscape going forward,
how do you see it changing orthe future of communication?
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Well, I've got to say, I can'treally give you an answer because
I'm not in it anymore.
Yeah.
Okay.
In 92 or in the early 90s,everything changed.
Okay.
I was used to developing filmand working in the dark room and
all that sort of stuff.
And then Kodak went out of business.
They're not selling film anymore.
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Everything's digital.
And I said, well, I'm too oldand ugly to learn a whole new trade
in photography.
Let's do something different.
And I became a financial advisor.
Okay.
And I haven't taken aprofessional picture.
I don't even have a cameraanymore other than the one I carry
in my pocket.
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Which to put into perspective,when I was in educational television,
one of the last things I wasdoing for Bowling Green State University
here in Ohio, I bought some TVcameras for them for their studio.
And one camera weighed about400 pounds and cost close to a quarter
million dollars.
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And the little iPhone that Icarry in my pocket does far better
TV work than that.
Were, you know, 250 poundmonster that I had to put in the
studio.
It's just a totally different world.
And frankly, I don't knowwhat's going on out there anymore
because I'm not active incommunications of that nature or
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photography.
And I haven't Taken aprofessional picture in 30 years.
So tell us about what you'redoing now then.
Well, as I mentioned, I'm afinancial advisor, but I'm getting
ready to hang up my hat on that.
One of the things that I didwas managing a group of insurance
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agents here in the Midwest.
This was back in the 90s whenI first got started.
And at the time, if you wantedto keep in touch, you had to wear
a pager and carry a wholepocket full of quarters.
And if you got paged, you hadto try to find a payphone that was
working and plug in somequarters and answer the call.
And Internet came out, andthey had this thing called email
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that was brand new and madesure all the guys had it.
But just because they had itdidn't mean that they were reading
it.
And so I started sending out athought for the day, something humorous,
something inspirational, whathave you, and said, read this and
there might be something youneed to know in addition.
So they started reading it andthey liked it, and they started sharing
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some of these stories withtheir clients.
And the clients liked it.
Their sales went up.
That's not a bad deal.
And then the clients said,hey, could we get those emails too?
And there's no postageinvolved, so why not add them to
the list?
And I'm not with that company anymore.
But now, 30 years later, I'mstill sending out a thought for the
day five days a week toanybody who'd like to get it absolutely
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free.
I've got people all over thecountry, most of whom I've never
met.
I've got people in Europe,I've got people in India, I've got
people in Australia that arestill getting these thoughts for
the day.
And a couple years ago, Istarted looking at these monstrous
files I had of all these oldthoughts, and I said, I ought to
be able to do something with this.
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So I decided to try to put abook together, and I did.
I took it to a couplepublishers, and one of them said,
this is not a book, this is awhole series of books.
And so the first book, 20Years Internet Humor, came out January
1st, and it seems to be doingpretty well.
And I've got second and thirdbooks ready to go.
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Hopefully by the end of theyear we'll keep this thing going.
So I'm going to be doing thatinstead of working in the insurance
and financial field.
So for those who want to getyour thought for the day at email,
how can they connect with you?
To get that, they can go to mywebsite, www.Internet-horor.com that's
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Internet with a hyphen beforehumor.com and sign up for get it,
you know, five days a week,sometimes six, no cost.
If you don't want to get it,just hit delete and you're done,
you know, so there's nocommitment you're making.
And the books available,currently, it's got a special for
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the ebook at 299 from Amazonor Goodreads or any of these other
booksellers out there.
The paperback's 24.95, buthey, 299 beats 24.95, so take advantage
of that while you can.
And not being a financialadvisor, I could tell you that's
a good deal.
299.
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I wasn't speaking as afinancial advisor, but you're absolutely
right.
So I'm curious, after you'relooking at all you have done in your
life and what you're doingnow, what do you want your legacy
to be?
What a great question.
I guess I would like forpeople to be able to say, he was
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there for us.
Okay.
Whether it's helping in adisaster or, you know, answering
a question or helping withtheir finance.
Coming up this weekend, I'mcooking pancakes at a pancake breakfast
for kids.
You know, I'm making any moneyat it?
No, but seems like the thingto do.
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I try to help out whenever I can.
That's a great thing.
So as we wrap up this greatconversation, what key takeaways
or thought for the day do youwant to leave with the audience?
The best thing you can do isstart your day with a smile or a
laugh, and I'll make the giveyou the opportunity.
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Okay.
All you got to do is open youremail and there it is.
I love it.
Well, Bill, thanks so much fortaking time and blessing our day
and my at least my day and myaudience's day with learning more
about you and the work thatyou've done and the thought for the
day we can get to encourageour day and start our day off right.
So I appreciate the work thatyou do, Keith.
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I appreciate the invitation.
It's been a joy being with you today.
Thank you.
My guest today, Bill Williamsgrew up in a military family, moving
all over the country andattending 13 different schools.
Before graduating, he attendedTexas Tech, graduating with a BA
and MA in Broadcasting and Journalism.
He did additional work througha doctorate in mass communications
at University of Texas wherehe was on the faculty and manager
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of a four city instructionaltelevision network.
He then went on to Ohio wherehe is the director of instructional
television at Bowling GreenState University for three years.
From there, Bill moved toWashington D.C.
where he started his owncommunications consulting firm.
Twenty years later, he movedhis growing family back to Ohio where
his two young girls grew uparound family and friends, something
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he'd never been able to do asa child.
At that point, he changedcareers and became a registered investment
advisor.
Until now.
We welcome Bill to the podcast.
Well, Bill, welcome to the podcast.
How you doing today, my friend?
Doing very well.
Thanks for the invitation.
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I appreciate it.
Well, it's good to have you onand I hope you enjoy that ice storm.
We'll keep it on your end andkeep it away from us at Iowa.
We don't need more ice.
We didn't really need it here.
But we'll take what we can get.
That's right, you'll take whatyou can get.
So I'm going to ask you myfavorite question.
What's the best piece ofadvice, advice you've ever received?
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Never give up.
Oh, I love that.
Never give up.
There's always somethingaround the corner that is so true.
And you know, sometimes wedon't see it coming, but when we
don't give up, we're soblessed when we it actually comes
our way.
Absolutely.
Just wait a while and thingswill get better.
That's right.
Wait a while.
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The sun.
The sun will rise.
I'm curious, Bill.
Think about in your life, whoare some people that served as an
inspiration or a mentor foryou on your journey?
One person comes to mindimmediately and has long passed away.
His name was Adrian Vaughn.
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He was director of news andinformation for Texas Tech College.
And I was offered a job as a photographer.
And my only experience was I'dbeen two meetings of the high school
camera club.
And that was it.
And the person who hired metook me downstairs to the basement
and said, this is the developer.
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This is the fix.
This is the stop bath.
This is the dryer.
Good luck.
So I went out and bought allthe books I could on photography
and darkroom work and did mybest, but my best was really not
very much at all the firstcouple of weeks.
But he didn't fire me.
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He kept me on, and eventuallyI got to the point where I won a
bunch of awards for the officefor their photography.
So had he fired me, which heshould have done, I would never have
had the career I did.
Wow, that's such a neat story.
And who knew that you would go from.
Only experience you had was ahigh school Photoshop, too, where
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that's what that led you to.
Yeah, I certainly wouldn'thave believed it, because, you know,
the first assignment he sentme out to take a picture, I came
back with the mostembarrassing question a photographer
ever asked.
Where's the button you push?
Oh, no.
Admittedly, in my defense, itwas a camera that is unlike any other
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camera I've used in 60 years.
And it didn't have a button to push.
It was a roller cord, and ithad a lever that you would use to
cock the shutter.
Then to take the picture, youwould have to push the lever back
in the other direction.
And I had never heard of it,and I'd never seen anything like
it since.
But that was my firstexperience with professional photography.
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Where do you push the button?
My goodness.
That would be a good question, though.
I love that.
So how did you go from aphotojournalist at 18 to.
And how'd that shape your career?
You talked about, you know,you got some awards, but how did
that experience shape your journey?
Well, I found that I liked it.
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But, you know, while I wasthere, I was also writing, and I
actually had planned to be anaeronautical engineer, and that was
my major in college, butdiscovered I didn't like math.
I figured that's not really agood match.
And so I changed majors anumber of times.
I tried this and I tried that,and I was in my fifth year as an
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undergraduate, and I wassitting in the union building with
a friend who was on thefaculty, and he said, you know, Bill,
I was looking at yourtranscripts, and you've got enough
hours to graduate next semester.
And I jumped up, grabbed himby the collar and said, great.
In what?
And he said, well, if you takethree more classes in speech, you
can graduate as a speech major.
And since broadcasting was inthe speech department department,
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and I was already working onthe radio station, I said, yeah,
okay, we can do that.
And then the photography ledme into television, and I got my
master's in broadcasting andtelevision and journalism.
And that's just one thing ledto another.
What a.
What a neat career.
So you've spent a lot of timein journalism and broadcasting.
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What part about that was themost memorable experience?
For you.
After I got out, I was workingon a doctorate at the University
of Texas and acting as aconsultant to a bunch of colleges
who were setting up television studios.
Now, keep in mind, this wasback in the mid-1960s, and educational
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television was something brand new.
And I went out to thesecolleges and discovered that they
were so far in the dark, Icouldn't believe it.
You know, it's.
Well, we're going to set upthe studio.
We've got some space here.
Well, it's got some pillars inthe middle of the room.
That's not going to make a big.
A good studio or who's in charge?
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Well, Jane gave, you know, Igave Jane the responsibility for
setting it up.
What's her experience?
She was my secretary, youknow, and so those were the.
The problems we were facingback in the 60s and trying to set
up educational andinstructional television.
It was a bizarre world.
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Wow, that's interesting.
So you spent 20 years in D.C.
as well.
I'm kind of curious, as youthink, about some of the challenges
you face in Communications in D.C.
how did you help solve some ofthose with trade associations and
government agencies?
Well, Postal Service was agood example.
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They asked me, you know, howcan we go ahead and set up or get
more people to buy stamps thatthey don't use?
I said, that sounds like it'sa job for stamp collectors.
They said, well, how do we getmore stamp collectors?
And I said, well, why don't westart putting stamp clubs in schools?
Elementary schools start kidsbuying stamps early.
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Well, put together a plan forstamp clubs and schools.
So I developed the BenjaminFranklin Stamp Club.
And to get it to use in theschools, what we did was we put together
a package for the teachers onhow to teach history using stamps.
We included some materials forthe teacher.
We included some handout materials.
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We included some posters andthings like that, and then made it
available to elementary school teachers.
They said, if you could sell1500 of these things, it will be
a success.
On the first several months, Isold 20,000 of these things.
Wow.
So that worked out pretty well.
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That's interesting.
So can you.
Can you help the PostalService now?
Because I seem to bestruggling a little bit more now.
Well, the management back thenwas a whole different story than
the management today.
But the Postal Service doesabsolutely remarkable stuff with
the idea today.
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What, 75 cents a letter.
But if you put this stamp onthe letter, it will deliver it to
any one of 300 million peoplethroughout the United States or really
around the world in two to 10 days.
I mean, what a concept.
I mean that's just absolutely marvelous.
It is amazing.
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I love course back then itcost 3 cents.
So big difference.
It's true.
Yes.
To fly a 3 cent stamp aroundthe world.
Yeah, it doesn't really coverthe cost.
I noticed that you worked withFEMA and I'm curious as you think
about your work with fema.
We've seen a lot of thingswith disaster response.
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Any insight you have as to howFEMA works and maybe gives the audience
some insights as to maybe someof the struggles that you might have
noticed when you worked with fema?
Well, one of the things thatwe noticed is the fact that when
disasters occurred and thefemale showed up on site, we were
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always welcomed and we alwaysdid our very best to get the result
job done.
But we knew we had 10 days andif everybody wasn't satisfied in
10 days, we were going to bethe bad guy because everybody wasn't
made whole in 10 days andthere is no way that's going to happen.
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So basically our plan was dothe very best we can and get everybody
out there that we can on ourside because in 10 days they're all
going to be against us.
And that's pretty much the wayit is now.
Of course, now seeing therecent activities down in the Carolinas,
we got other people out therestirring up hatred against these
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terrible people from FEMAbecause oh my God, they haven't resolved
everything and there'ssomething else wrong so they must
be stealing your money.
And I will have to say thatthe average person on a FEMA disaster
relief is not a regulargovernment employee.
They're a volunteer or a whilewae while actually employed.
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Okay.
They come on to work for FEMAwhen they are needed.
And that was my situation forthe first four years I was doing
my other jobs and I'd get acall saying, hey, can you take one
an assignment this afternoonor tomorrow or we're having big problems
coming up next Monday, can yougo out someplace?
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And I do it.
And that's what 90% of theseother people do too.
They're not regular employees.
They just do it because theywant to be there and want to help.
And I don't know of a betterincentive for people to be doing
that.
Sounds like FEMA needs abetter communications advocate to
explain exactly what FEMAactually does do and can do.
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Well, that was my role in 1980as director of News and information
is to get the word out.
And we came up with a wholebunch of new programs using computers
and all to be able to get theword out and a new computer database
and all that sort of stuff.
And Jimmy Carter lost theelection and a new administration
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came in.
And the first thing they didwas get rid of all of our plans and
everything else.
You know, one of the thingsthat we had to do was develop disaster
plans for just abouteverything imaginable.
And I worked on the disasterplan for the next earthquake in San
Francisco.
It's going to happen.
You know, what are we going todo about it?
And so we had the whole planset up.
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And then about 1981 or 82, thehurricane, the earthquake happened,
and we thought, boy, we've gotall the plans set up.
Well, they don't thrown outall the plans because they had done
by.
Been done by a Democratic administration.
And so they had no plans forwhat to do when the occasion occurred.
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Politics is a huge problem ina case like that.
That sounds like it.
So I'm curious, in all thework that you've done, especially
in the area of communication,government, what do you notice as
maybe some of the biggerchallenges that communication and
government wrestle with asthey try to kind of.
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Because there's so much newsout there, there's so much information
out there, it's hard to findgood sources of quality information.
So how do you go about findingthe truth in all of the noise?
Well, Keith, I gotta tell you,I don't know.
Okay, well, that's why Ibrought you on.
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Solve that problem for me.
Well, I couldn't solve theproblems as they existed 40 years
ago because that was when Iwas active there.
Yeah.
And I solved some of them.
One of the problems we had waswith clients like me, contractors
like me getting paid.
And I was a lobbyist.
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I was elected president of theIndependent Media Producers Association.
So as a lobbyist, I went in tocampaign for the Federal Government
Prompt Payment act with theidea that the government should pay
its bills on time.
What a concept.
Okay, Novel concept.
And so I, yeah, I remembermaking a.
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I was a witness at one of theSenate agencies and I held up a copy
of an invoice that my companyhad sent to the Postal Service and
It was paid 18 months late.
And when they finally paid it,they took their prompt payment discount.
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So we got the Prompt Paymentact of.
We got the Prompt payment Actof 1984 passed, requiring the government
to pay their bills on time andif they don't pay their bills on
time, to pay the penalty.
Because that was a brand new concept.
Wow.
Just, just, wow.
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Government efficiency at its best.
Well, let's, let's face it, anawful lot of government is the problems
are not the government employees.
Regardless of what we'rehearing from the current administration,
it's not the employees whoreally try to do a good job.
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The problem is these peoplewho are put in to take over every
four years come in with theirnew ideas and things that frankly
in many cases just don't work.
One of the things that myIndependent Media Producers association
did was found a problem thatwas about to happen because the politicians
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had decided we have too manypeople doing films and TV programs
and all for the government.
We're going to send out acontract to the big studios in Hollywood
and we'd only have fivecontracts and the five big studios
would handle it all.
Well, that would put 20,000people out of business.
Furthermore, the big studios,MGM isn't the least bit interested
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in doing little how to do itinstructional programs for the federal
government.
And if they did, the costswould quadruple or quintuple because
they'd be using union, studiounion, production union.
You have to have 32 people onsite to produce this little classroom
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thing.
And so we finally got thatshot down.
But it took a year to get thatparticular idea of shut down and
out of the system.
Oh my word.
I love to focus on a littlebit more on instructional programs.
So tell us a little bit abouthow you good.
How you went about developinginstructional videos for the government.
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I'm just kind of curious.
I know I've, I haven't seenthose in a while.
Do they still do those?
Oh, I'm sure they do.
I produced a whole series ofproductions for Housing and Urban
Development, you know,seamless floor coating and fog dry
spray painting and things ofthat nature.
Not terribly interesting, butyou have to get the word out as to
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how to do it.
I did a series of publicaffairs announcements for again for
HUD on lead based paint andthe dangers of lead based paint.
And we were down in Las, LosAngeles, New Orleans, helping with
a school that was having tohave all the paint removed in the
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school because it was all leadbased and the kids were eating the
paint.
You know, elementary school kids.
Hey, it's tasty, it's sweet.
Here's a flake of paint.
Have a bite.
We got the films done andshowed how to do it and why schools
needed to get rid of leadbased paint.
Well, I never imagined eatingpaint, but I have heard about that
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because I lived in Detroitback in the early 90s and that was
a big issue in Detroit.
Lead based Paint in homes.
And for some reason, I neverimagined kids were eating it.
But now that you mentionedthat it has a sweet taste, I suppose
it's like candy.
And it is a problem.
I know you ran across that alot in our urban area of lead based
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paint problems.
And it's still an issue outthere, particularly with older homes
and older schools and older buildings.
Right.
You know, who wants to scrapeall the paint off the walls and wearing
hazmat suits?
But it's got to be done.
So you've spent all yourcareer doing this wonderful kind
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of work.
What's been the most rewardingpart of the work you've done in the
past?
Well, the work with FEMA hasdefinitely been the most rewarding.
And I've got one experiencethat I'll share with you and your
viewers.
I was called.
This was, I guess in the late70s, there was a huge storm in Arizona.
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And I was called out to helpwith the flooding in Phoenix.
And when they called me, Isaid, you've got to be joking.
Phoenix flooding, Right.
Exactly.
Well, there's a salt riverruns through Phoenix.
It's a dry river.
And normally at the time, 27bridges went across that dry river.
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But this flood came down.
And when I was called, therewere only three bridges left up.
So that was pretty significant.
And we were working on that.
And we were helped with armyhelicopters flying out to Navajo
Indian reservation to drop hayto their cattle because the cattles
were stranded on these littleislands because there was so much
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rain up there.
And somebody asked me, youknow, what about the Hopis?
Well, the Hopi Indians live inthat same area, but the Hopies live
up on mesas that are 700ftabove the ground level.
Okay.
And their villages on the topof these mesas were built there for
protection.
And they've been dated backover a thousand years old.
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They've been there forever.
And so I made arrangements andwe flew up, took the helicopter up
to the Hopi reservation andmet with the tribal chairman and
said, you know, what's going on?
And he said, well, the rainsbasically melted our homes because
they're made out of adobe,which is another word for mud brick.
Okay.
And when you get a lot ofwater, what happens to mud or dirt?
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It becomes mud.
And I said, well, we canprovide some aid to help you build
it.
And he says, no, we don't want it.
If you look down there on theground, you know, about half a mile
over there, there's a wholevillage that is a village that is
totally uninhabited becausethe Last time we asked for help,
HUD came in and said,everything has to be built to HUD
standards, and they're builtdown there, they're to HUD standards,
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but nobody wants to live therebecause they want to live with our
people up here on the mesas.
And I said, well, let's see ifwe can't do something else.
And so we came up with an ideawhere we could give them aid as a
foreign nation through theState Department, because technically,
tribes are separate nations.
And I said, you know, I'dreally appreciate it if I could come
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out and take pictures of theresponse and rebuilding that you've
been doing there.
And he said, absolutely not.
If that's part of the deal,keep your money.
And I said, it's definitelynot part of the deal.
Just we'd like to have somerecords of it, but if that's part
of the deal, I never ask.
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And so they got the money,they started doing it.
And a month or so later, I'mback in Washington, and I got a call
at my home.
It was a tribal chairman.
He said, Mr.
Williams, if you'd like tocome out and take pictures of our
work, we'd love to have you asour guest.
I said, I can be out there ina couple of days.
So I was out and spent about aweek living with the Hopis as their
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guest.
It was absolutely marvelous.
Got a bunch of great pictures.
And before I left, I asked thetribal chairman, I said, you know,
why did you change your mind?
He said, well, sir, in thewhole history of our tribe, this
is the first time the whiteman has ever made a promise to us
and then kept it.
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Wow.
That made me feel really,really good.
I'm.
I'm curious how were the.
Was the work they done, how did.
How was it different than whatwe built for them and our expertise?
Well, the houses that the Hopilive in, as I mentioned, are adobe,
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which are mud brick.
Okay.
Mud brick is not an acceptablebuilding standard in the US as I'm
at right now.
Okay.
And they're roofs aresupported by what they call Vegas,
which are logs, okay?
And it's all built withnatural materials and built by hand.
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And so there's none of thisprefabricated concrete blocks and
wood and everything else,because, let's face it, out in the
desert there, you don't have alot of lumberyards and everything
else.
So you use what's availableand use the same things that they
have been using for centuries.
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While I was out there, theygave me a little Toy top that they
had found in one of thesebuildings that had been destroyed.
And it and a couple otherthings that were found at that time
had been radiocarbon datedback to the year 800.
Wow.
So they've been there a while.
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That's amazing.
I found out later I was thefirst white man ever allowed to photograph
on the Hopi reservation.
I bet those pictures weregoing back to your early beginning.
But those were like,phenomenal pictures that you could
share.
They are.
But no, I couldn't share them.
That was part of the deal.
Okay.
I could never make anycommercial use of them.
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I could use them for a reportto Congress or for government reports,
but I had no permission to usethem in magazines and things like
that.
I did get permission to useone of the pictures on the COVID
for a magazine put out by theNational Press Photographers association,
but other than that, they'restill in my basement.
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Wow.
Before I die, I hope to getthem converted and take them out
and give them as a gift to theHopi tribe for their records.
That would be neat.
That would be a really, reallywonderful use of remembering what
you've done.
As you think about thecommunication landscape going forward,
how do you see it changing orthe future of communication?
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Well, I've got to say, I can'treally give you an answer because
I'm not in it anymore.
Yeah.
Okay.
In 92 or in the early 90s,everything changed.
Okay.
I was used to developing filmand working in the dark room and
all that sort of stuff.
And then Kodak went out of business.
They're not selling film anymore.
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Everything's digital.
And I said, well, I'm too oldand ugly to learn a whole new trade
in photography.
Let's do something different.
And I became a financial advisor.
Okay.
And I haven't taken aprofessional picture.
I don't even have a cameraanymore other than the one I carry
in my pocket.
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Which to put into perspective,when I was in educational television,
one of the last things I wasdoing for Bowling Green State University
here in Ohio, I bought some TVcameras for them for their studio.
And one camera weighed about400 pounds and cost close to a quarter
million dollars.
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And the little iPhone that Icarry in my pocket does far better
TV work than that.
Were, you know, 250 poundmonster that I had to put in the
studio.
It's just a totally different world.
And frankly, I don't knowwhat's going on out there anymore
because I'm not active incommunications of that nature or
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photography.
And I haven't Taken aprofessional picture in 30 years.
So tell us about what you'redoing now then.
Well, as I mentioned, I'm afinancial advisor, but I'm getting
ready to hang up my hat on that.
One of the things that I didwas managing a group of insurance
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agents here in the Midwest.
This was back in the 90s whenI first got started.
And at the time, if you wantedto keep in touch, you had to wear
a pager and carry a wholepocket full of quarters.
And if you got paged, you hadto try to find a payphone that was
working and plug in somequarters and answer the call.
And Internet came out, andthey had this thing called email
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that was brand new and madesure all the guys had it.
But just because they had itdidn't mean that they were reading
it.
And so I started sending out athought for the day, something humorous,
something inspirational, whathave you, and said, read this and
there might be something youneed to know in addition.
So they started reading it andthey liked it, and they started sharing
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some of these stories withtheir clients.
And the clients liked it.
Their sales went up.
That's not a bad deal.
And then the clients said,hey, could we get those emails too?
And there's no postageinvolved, so why not add them to
the list?
And I'm not with that company anymore.
But now, 30 years later, I'mstill sending out a thought for the
day five days a week toanybody who'd like to get it absolutely
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free.
I've got people all over thecountry, most of whom I've never
met.
I've got people in Europe,I've got people in India, I've got
people in Australia that arestill getting these thoughts for
the day.
And a couple years ago, Istarted looking at these monstrous
files I had of all these oldthoughts, and I said, I ought to
be able to do something with this.
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So I decided to try to put abook together, and I did.
I took it to a couplepublishers, and one of them said,
this is not a book, this is awhole series of books.
And so the first book, 20Years Internet Humor, came out January
1st, and it seems to be doingpretty well.
And I've got second and thirdbooks ready to go.
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Hopefully by the end of theyear we'll keep this thing going.
So I'm going to be doing thatinstead of working in the insurance
and financial field.
So for those who want to getyour thought for the day at email,
how can they connect with you?
To get that, they can go to mywebsite, www.Internet-horor.com that's
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Internet with a hyphen beforehumor.com and sign up for get it,
you know, five days a week,sometimes six, no cost.
If you don't want to get it,just hit delete and you're done,
you know, so there's nocommitment you're making.
And the books available,currently, it's got a special for
(29:27):
the ebook at 299 from Amazonor Goodreads or any of these other
booksellers out there.
The paperback's 24.95, buthey, 299 beats 24.95, so take advantage
of that while you can.
And not being a financialadvisor, I could tell you that's
a good deal.
299.
(29:51):
I wasn't speaking as afinancial advisor, but you're absolutely
right.
So I'm curious, after you'relooking at all you have done in your
life and what you're doingnow, what do you want your legacy
to be?
What a great question.
I guess I would like forpeople to be able to say, he was
(30:13):
there for us.
Okay.
Whether it's helping in adisaster or, you know, answering
a question or helping withtheir finance.
Coming up this weekend, I'mcooking pancakes at a pancake breakfast
for kids.
You know, I'm making any moneyat it?
No, but seems like the thingto do.
(30:34):
I try to help out whenever I can.
That's a great thing.
So as we wrap up this greatconversation, what key takeaways
or thought for the day do youwant to leave with the audience?
The best thing you can do isstart your day with a smile or a
laugh, and I'll make the giveyou the opportunity.
(30:56):
Okay.
All you got to do is open youremail and there it is.
I love it.
Well, Bill, thanks so much fortaking time and blessing our day
and my at least my day and myaudience's day with learning more
about you and the work thatyou've done and the thought for the
day we can get to encourageour day and start our day off right.
So I appreciate the work thatyou do, Keith.
(31:19):
I appreciate the invitation.
It's been a joy being with you today.
Thank you.
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