Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
H h h h h h M.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Welcome to the New High Show on Education. This is
your host Pamla Clark, and this is an episode of
American servicemen and women tell their stories of survival. Today
we're going to start with learning more about the muse
(01:03):
Are Gone Offensive and I chose it because my paternal
great grandfather actually served in it, and I wanted to
share what I knew personally and maybe have a call
out to Usuf Mazibo, who put together presentation for me
(01:25):
and did some research for today's show. This will probably
be a multiple episode show to get to cover it all.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'm going to be.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Sharing some homework with you to do, including some links
that you can watch videos on YouTube, and I think
they're really important. I watched them all and I learned
something different from each one, and it really kind of
helped me have a different perspective because, like I said,
(02:04):
I have the family story and about his struggles and
sacrifice and his PTSD and just how traumatized he was
by serving in this and there was very little help
for him and others like him when they came home.
(02:26):
A lot like now as well. I mean, it's it's
too bad, but sometimes veterans aren't treated with the honor
they to serve, and they're not given the resources they
need either. My grandfather, Harry E. Ruber, definitely fit into
(02:48):
that category.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I do want to.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Share just a little bit about my grandmother or grandfather,
excuse me. He served, like I said, and the messar
gone he had was listed as Harry E. Gruber, but
he was an orphan train writer out of New York,
and he was a child, and he was placed with
(03:15):
the Groober family of Illinois. And later when he went
to actually enlist, he found out that the groupers never
really adopted him or anything like that. And he was
told at that time his surname was Emmons because of DNA,
(03:35):
and I thinks there's some resources that I had we
were able to confirm that and at least get his
names of some of his ancestors out of New York.
And what I have on him personally was that.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
He enlisted let's see.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Ottawa in Ottawa, Illinois, May thirtieth of nineteen eighteen, and
then it says br on New York, New York, and
that was October twenty seventh, eighty eight, that was his birthday. Sorry,
(04:23):
he had enlisted for the tenth Company. I think that's
let's see three PNG Battalion under Sherman.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Let's see.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Sorry, it's it's kind of a hard document to read, Okay.
So he served as a private in the Mews are Gone.
He was wounded in action around November second of nineteen eighteen,
and then Aefmber second of nineteen eighteen to April twenty seven,
twenty nineteen. He was honorably discharged on a sixteen, twenty nineteen.
(05:10):
And yeah, so also I said I have information on
him other than that.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Let me see, there's so many links open. Just to.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Kind to give you guys a brief overview, I personally
don't think that when he was taken. I really do
think he was taken from his family. I don't think
his his mother even knew he was alive when he
rode that orphan train. As my personal opinion, just because
(05:53):
of the things I've seen, I guess he was sick
when he went into that the orphan there, and I
think it was just a speed so he could get well.
But they had there was such a there were so
many poor people in New York that couldn't afford really
(06:14):
hardly anything, And I think that the family.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Kind of fell underneath that.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
But anyways, I didn't know until a couple of years
ago that he was a purple Heart recipient. And then
his son, my paternal grandfather, he had died at the
USS Trexler's you guys are here and on the other episodes,
But I really found it amazing that, you know, my
(06:49):
paternal grandfather and great grandfather both had purple heart and
that's a lot to live up to, and it's a
lot to honor as well.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So I.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Love sharing these, and I'm also open to other people's
stories and accounts and so forth. But some of the
videos that I'm going to share with you in the
show notes, you can hear other people's tell their own stories.
So hopefully you guys will watch each and every one
(07:23):
of those. I think that you'll really find it enriching.
In homeschoolers, you can certainly use this as part of
your history studies as well, including American history. So my
grandfather he was shell shocked, a victim of mustard gas
and he was actually left in the trenches for dead.
(07:47):
He had been hit by shrapnel and walked with a
cane in a limp, and then when he returned to
the States. He met my grandma, my great grandma Gladys,
and they met at a drugstore in Toledo, Ohio, where
(08:08):
she worked at the candy counter making chocolates as such,
and she put the emblems on top of the chocolate
and she hand dipped them and everything.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So, and.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's really tragic my grandfather's story because you know, he
was taken from his original family in a sense, taken
to kick a kiel and noise dropped off. Never really
felt loved by the farmer. In fact, he felt like
he was a slave for them. And then it was
(08:47):
just another blow for him to find out that he
was really never adopted by them, and then to go
and enlist, and then the things that he survived. I
guess he had to unbury himself from bodies. There were
(09:08):
so many people that had died, and could you imagine.
I mean, once you see these videos and landscape and everything,
it really brings it to view and I can just
picture my mind him doing that and standing up and
just being absolutely distraught, shocked. I just I felt so
(09:29):
sorry for him. He died way before I was born,
but I certainly think of him. And yeah, anyway, so
let's get to the presentation to start here, and so
the mus are Gone Offensive. There's so many sources which
(09:55):
I'm really glad to see. Actually, sometimes the fact are
a little bit different. But I'm going to share with
you a little bit from Wikipedia, and it says the
Meusargonne Offensive, also known as the Muse River Argonne Forest Offensive,
is the battles of the Meuse are Gone and the
(10:17):
Us are Gone campaign. It was a major part of
the final Allied offensive of World War One that stretched
along the entire Western Front. It was fought from September
twenty sixth, nineteen eighteen, until the armistice of November eleventh,
nineteen eighteen. It's a total of forty seven days. The
(10:39):
musargon Offensive was the largest in the United States military history,
involving one point two million American soldiers, sailors, and marines,
along with eight hundred thousand French and eight hundred and
fifty Siamese personnel. It is also the deadliest campaign in
(11:00):
the history of the United States Army, resulting in over
three hundred and fifty thousand casualties, including twenty eight thousand
German lives, twenty six two hundred and seventy seven American
lives and an unknown number of French lives. Another American
(11:20):
losses were worsened by the inexperience of many of the troops,
the tactics used during the early phases of the operation,
and the widespread onset of the global influenza outbreak called.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
The Spanish flu. Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
So second, the offensive, I'm sorry. The offensive was the
principal engagement of the American Expeditionary Forces known as AEF
in World War two. Was It was one of a
(12:02):
series of Allied attacks known as the one hundred days
of Offensive when which brought the end or the war
to end. It was the largest and bloodiest operation of
the entire war for the AF, even though given the
scale of other battles on the Western Front, its size
(12:23):
was limited and the operation itself was secondary, being far
from the main offensive.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Access.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So that's what Wikipedia says. Before you go on and
listen to more in the link that I just shared,
we'll be on here as well. But I want you
to pause it pause this episode, and I want you
to go and watch the first two YouTube videos.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I believe.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
One is about thirty five minutes and one's mate about
ten fifteen minutes. Othough not real long, but it'll really
give you an idea visually of what happened. And then
come back and listen to the show. Okay, so just
(13:18):
a moment, we'll have to take a quick commercial break,
and we're going to be right back with more. Stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Hello listeners. If you're enjoying the New Heights Show on
Education and want to support or donate to our organization,
please visit www dot New Heights Education dot org and
while you're there, check out our online store.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Welcome back to the New Heights Show on Education.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Okay, so, now I'm going to share some information that's
similar to what I already shared.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
This was put together from Yusuf that I had mentioned. Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
So, the Music on Offensive from September twenty sixth to
November eleven, nineteen eighteen, and was the largest operation undertaken
by the American Expeditationary Forces in World War One. Over
one million US soldiers under the command of General John J.
(14:42):
Pershing fought to break through the German defenses on the
Western Front. The campaign's success directly contributed to the Armistice
of November eleven, nineteen eighteen, ending major hostilities. It remains
the deadliest battle in the US Army history, with twenty
six two hundred and seventy seven Americans killed and more
(15:05):
than one hundred and twenty thousand total casualties. So there's
the dates I just shared, and then the location was
northern France, extending along the Muse River through Argonne Forest.
Key battle grounds included Manta Falcon or Manta Falon Kyon
(15:33):
something like that, u Verenes from Ramong. I'm sorry if
I'm butchering these. It could be very possible. Ramang South
montefalcon or Falcones something like that where today stands the
Muse are gone American Cemetery And if you watch those
(15:54):
two videos I mentioned, those are covered in it and
you can visually see and it's very impactful for the
American soldiers that are buried there, and they really did
do a beautiful job at honoring them. And I had
(16:15):
shared on an earlier episode that I actually my grandfather
he has a headstone an Arlington National Cemetery. And you
don't really get it completely. You don't own all that
pain until you really stand there and you're looking out
of the rose and rose of tombstones and what it's
(16:37):
really caused to be who we are as America, and
this is very much like that. It's a whole another thing,
but it just in another country. So again, check that out.
I think you'll be thankful for that information. Okay, So
(16:58):
participants fought. The offensive was led by the American Expeditionary Forces,
supported by French Allied units, and opposed by entrenced divisions
of the German Army. More than one point two million
US soldiers participated, including the thirty fifth Division and one
(17:21):
hundred and thirty eighth Infantry Regiment, which saw intense combat.
Now I want to go back just or check on
that because I was kind of wondering because I don't
(17:45):
think my grandfather infantry to discharge private musargone Okay, so
I'm not sure if he fit in that or not,
because it's a little un clear to me anyways on
(18:08):
which on which he would be, Like if he was
just part of the one thirty eighth Regiment, I think
because they do mention infantry and his stuff, so maybe
he was part of that.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Let me I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
See, Yeah, yeah, because he was part yeah, Okay, So sorry,
I just had a double check so he was part
of that one hundred and thirty eighth Infantry Regiment.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Okay, So.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
The objective was to break through the heavily fortified German
defensive line, to sever key rail and supply routes, isolating
German forces, to force German withdrawal, ensuring the success of
(19:08):
the broader or broader Allied one hundred days offensive the end.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Of the war.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So there's the muse are Gone offensive, Ligurian collapse, and
the source for that is the Great War week to eighteen.
And there will be a video link below that you
can also look at. Okay, the Final Allied Offensives of
(19:40):
offensives of World War One September through November of nineteen eighteen.
An overview of the episode explores the muse Aargne offensive
within the Broader Allied strategy.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Of nineteen eighteen.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It connects the American advance in France with collapse of
Bulgaria and other central powers. The campaign marked the United
States emergence as a major global power, as the American
expeditionary forces fought independently for the first time on a
(20:23):
massive scale. Narrative is in September nineteen eighteen, the German
Army was weakening across Europe. With Bulgaria surrendering, the Allies
sought to finish the war. The American First Army under
General John J. Pershing launched a large scale assaut between
(20:47):
the Meuse River in the Argonne Forest. The battle unloaded
or unfolded through intense fighting, poor weather, and strong German resistance.
Sides used heavy artillery and poison gas, including mustard and
false gene. Despite inexperience and coordination problems, the American troops
(21:16):
pressed forward against entranced German defenses.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Now, if you watch.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Those initial videos, you would understand this on a much
deeper level because it talks and shows images of what
it really was. And I'm telling you, me reading this
to you does not do it justice in any way.
You really need to watch those videos to have any
(21:44):
idea of what this really was like. Okay, that's what
I was reading. By November, US forces had forced German
withdrawals and captured critical rail lines, helping trigger Germany's decision
to seek an armistice. As mentioned before, US desks were
(22:06):
approximately twenty six seventy seven and US wounded approximately ninety
five thousand, and then German casualties of approximately forty five
thousand and up. Okay, Okay, I want to go back
(22:28):
just a little bit and and put a scope on
this as well for what my grandfather, my great I
should might say, my great grandfather dealt with from you know,
terrible flashbacks.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
He couldn't really work or hold a job.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
If you heard a car backfire, he'd hit the ground.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Let's see what else.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
But he really struggled. He ended up having like the
electric shock treatments, which only worsened his issues in giving
even more memory loss. So he couldn't really remember much
about even his life in New York before he rode
the orphan train. But it was very traumatizing for him.
(23:24):
And I'm sure that there's many others that participated in
this and have even worse stories. But I just wanted
to bring that to your attention.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
The significance of this, the muse are Gone became the
largest and deadliest battle in US history. It proved that
the United States could plan, supply, and execute major military operations, solidifying.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Its role as a world power.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So I'm gonna give you some more references also in
the show notes, including the Great War Week to eighteen
which I mentioned, Yes, Army Center of Military History and Utopia,
you're standing in it blog summary, so those will all
(24:20):
be shared below.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Let's see here.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Never to be Forgotten Soldiers of the muse Are Gone.
There's a video link for that as well, and I
know that, I know, I think it was a second
video that's at the top of the in your note
(24:59):
show notes, they give some accounts of a few survivors
and you'll want to check this one out to and
if there's anyone with family members that were in this
that they'd like to share their story, I'd love to
hear it and have you on the show, So please
(25:21):
reach out or if or even if there's another.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Battle for all over our years of fighting right.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
That made a huge impact, which still hasn't talked about,
or the attention isn't given to it, like I'm sure
there's many of those, So yeah, let me let me
know if you if you have stories to share, info
at new Height education.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Dot org is our email. Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
The overview this sorry, This document provides comprehensive research of
the Muse are Gone offensive during World War One. It
addresses the key questions of who, what, why, where, and
how many, and it compares the US battle deaks to
other conflicts and identifies the use of chemical and conventional weaponry,
(26:25):
and explains the historical significance of the offensive. All statements
have been verified through reputable sources, including the US National Archives,
US Army Center of Military History, and the American Battle
Monument's Commission. The narrator opens up by recalling the vast
(26:51):
number of casualties, over twenty six thousand Americans killed and
nearly one hundred thousand wounded in only forty seven days
of fighting. Many of the fallen were never identified and
now rests and the muse are Gone American Cemetery in France,
where nearly fifteen thousand Americans are buried and more than
(27:14):
nine hundred and fifty names of the missing are inscribed
on memorial walls. The film highlights how continued efforts by
historians and genealogists seek to restore lost identities, emphasizing that
every unknown soldier represents an unfinished story. The annual memorial
(27:39):
ceremonies are new. It is rememberance, ensuring the cost of
freedom is never forgotten. Their short film personalizes the Muse
Are Gone defensive, reminding viewers as statistics reflect real human life.
(28:00):
Each soldier is a son, brother, or friend. It preserves
a solemn moral duty to remember, identify, and honor every
fallen soldier. So I'm sharing that video. It's never, never
to be forgotten. And then there's a video on YouTube.
(28:25):
It's the a b MC official page, the U Sargon Cemetery,
and then there's the Britonico You Stargon campaign. All of
those links will be shared as well. Okay, just a moment, Okay,
(28:49):
I think that's a good place to end this episode.
I'm sorry there was a gap in between this episode
and the USS Stressler accounts that I gave. Lot's been
going on here, but this is this project is on
(29:09):
my mind and took a lot of organizing to get.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
All of this organized.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Again for this, for this this defensive and and campaign.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Great.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So check the show notes, click the links, follow, listen
to the YouTube. Let me now reach out. And I
also want to remind you of sorry of Manya shoe
close show that she has on Fridays serving computer issues
(29:57):
where she covers like HR topics. So I'm power our
HR within the workforce, So check that out as well,
and we would love to hear from you until next time.
(30:26):
We hope you enjoyed today's show. Don't forget to rate
us and follow us on your podcast player. Check out
our show page Radio dot New Heights Education dot org
for monthly announcements and other happenings