August 29, 2024 • 43 mins
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Have you ever felt the pressure to know everything, only to realize that not knowing can be just as powerful?
In this episode of the New Horizons Podcast, hosts Brian and Shawna Curee, also known as Mr.KillerB and Mrs.Killer B in virtual reality, dive into a deep, meaningful, and fun conversation with Christian Artist Joel Vaughn. They explore the value of humility, the beauty of not knowing everything, and how embracing this mindset can lead to personal and professional growth. Recorded live from the Metaverse at the Killer Bee Studios on the Meta Horizon App. This episode is filled with humor, insightful stories, and practical advice that resonates with anyone striving to grow in life.
Brief Summary:
- Humility and Growth: Joel Vaughn discusses the importance of humility in both personal and professional life, sharing how acknowledging that you don’t know everything can be liberating and a key to continuous learning.
- The Importance of Perspective: The conversation transitions into how our perspectives shape our experiences and relationships, and why it’s essential to recognize and respect different viewpoints.
- Joel’s Journey: Joel shares his journey from a love of encyclopedias to earning degrees in broadcasting and education, and how his love for knowledge has evolved over time.
- Handling Life’s Challenges: The discussion touches on how to cope when life throws unexpected challenges, and the value of being present and supportive in difficult times.
- Finding Value Beyond Accomplishments: Joel emphasizes the importance of not tying self-worth to achievements and learning to find peace in simply being, rather than always doing.
Tune in for an inspiring episode that encourages you to embrace the unknown, find beauty in humility, and continue learning throughout your life.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You, you created this post.
I'm going to kind of dissectand kind of go through this post
with you.
It said I don't know everything.
Shocker, right, that's shocker,it stopped right there I was
like whoa, wait a minute, thisguy does not know everything we
thought you were all knowing theall-powerful laws.
It really does stop you, becausethat's not something you see on
Facebook.
At what point did you did youbegin to accept that not knowing
everything is not only okay,but also a beautiful part of
(00:25):
life?
Welcome to the New Horizonspodcast.
I'm Brian Curie.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
And I'm Shauna Curie, also known as Mr and Mrs Killer
B, in virtual reality.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So this podcast is recorded live from the metaverse
at the Killer B studios.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Where real life stories and experiences are
shared in a way only themetaverse can offer.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
With that, let's go ahead and dive into today's
episode.
I reached out to Joel becausehe put a post out on Facebook
and I texted him a while backand said, joel, would you like
to come and talk to us aboutthat post?
And he said he would love toArcane.
Can you hit that guest intromusic and everybody, let's throw
some confetti for our guest,joel Vaughn, that will be
(01:04):
joining us tonight at the KillerBee Studios.
Joel, come on out, yahoo, he'son top of the desk and
everything.
I love you.
I got to clean all this off.
Your shoes are filthy, man.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Sorry, I do run a lot so he's training for a marathon
.
I am training for a marathon,are you really I?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
am.
Oh, when is this?
When is the marathon?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
october 20, something I don't know.
My see, my wife is training fora half.
I've done a lot of halfmarathons, but I've never done
done a full marathon, and so Iwas like I wanted to make sure
she got to that point intraining where she could run 13
miles on her own and shebasically did last week.
So I'm super proud of her and Iwas like, okay, so she can do
this, she doesn't need meanymore.
(01:57):
So I want to see can I do themarathon?
Because it's been a goal ofmine since forever marathon,
because it's it's been a goal ofmine since like forever.
So, wow, wow, that's amazing andI do I really do run next to a
dog park and I really do have tododge a lot of poo.
So sorry about your desk sorryabout my desk.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Good thing it's black oh man, exactly it's black and
it's, you know, fake yeah, it'sfake that's good too.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
My shoes are actually pretty clean in Horizon Worlds
apparently.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay, before we get started on this topic, how many
of you were here at theChristmas event and heard Joel?
I was, Okay, cool, Okay.
Do you guys remember I've gotto bring this up.
Do you guys remember at the end, like we always come up and do
selfies or I guess ussies orwhatever they call them a group
picture together?
And if we all got up to get ourpicture together and then
(02:48):
everybody was like, hey, where'sJoel?
And he was gone, I was like, Idon't know if any of you guys
remember that.
So, Joel, go ahead and tellthem what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So it was a crazy night for one because I was
filling in playing drums foranother band, but I also was the
opening band that night, so Iplayed a song in here for you
guys, then I ran on stage,played drums, came back, played
another song and then, while Iwas sitting there, their show
(03:16):
ended and the tour bus driver.
So I was on a tour bus.
I was sitting on a tour buswith my headset on and while I'm
sitting there talking to youguys and then getting ready for
the group picture, suddenly Ifeel myself moving and I'm like,
oh, what's going on?
You know this kind of thing andI'll be like, oh, it'll be all
right.
I didn't really know what wouldhappen.
(03:38):
They were backing the tour busup to the loadout dock and so I
didn't realize that because Iwas no longer stationary in that
boundary, that I was justfloating away.
And so I literally like he droveoff and so my character floated
away and I couldn't get back in.
It was kind of funny.
I was like, if there's a way togo out that's the way to do it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
It's the way to do it Exactly.
It was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
He said that he saw his arms getting really long.
Oh dude, my arms got like 250feet long.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I was like what?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
He's like what's happening to me?
I've never experienced this.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
That is so funny, he's like stretch Armstrong.
That's what it felt like.
That's what it felt like I waslike oh nope, I'm going and I'm
gone.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
That's hilarious, that's great.
Joel, for those here that maybedon't know you, why don't you
take about 30 seconds and leteverybody know who Joel Vaughn
is?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So my name is Joel Vaughn.
We've established that I livein Nashville, Tennessee.
I've been married for 18 years.
We have two kids, Olivia andLevi.
They are 8 and 13,.
So the 13-year-old is going on30, and the 8-year-old is very
much an 8-year-old.
He's the one that held the shoein front of my face the first
(04:52):
time I was with you guys.
We've lived in Nashville for 8years now.
We transplanted here fromAmarillo, Texas, which is
basically ugly Colorado.
It's not like the rest of Texasbecause it gets snow, and when
I say snow I mean like a foot ofsnow and pretty consistently
(05:14):
it's just.
It turns brown and disgustingpretty quick and it's windy.
It is the windiest city inAmerica.
Chicago and Amarillo go backand forth on who's the windiest
city in America.
Amarillo is at the base of theRockies, so you have the Rocky
Mountains Beautiful, picturesque, and then you have the plains
(05:34):
and the panhandles, and sothat's where I'm in.
We were in the dirty part ofAmerica, but it was home.
When my music career took offand I signed a record deal, it
just made sense for us to makethe move to Nashville, so Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Is that to say that you moved right when you were
having your eight year old?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
So that was our 10.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So we had been married 10 years.
Uh, we celebrated our 10thanniversary.
I turned 30.
My daughter turned five, my sonwas born, and then we sold our
house and packed up and movedthree months later.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I do not recommend it .
Exactly.
I do not recommend it 10 out of10 do not recommend.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Hindsight is it's more than 2020 on that one.
But, yeah, I was like I signeda record deal.
I have a top billboard chartingsong right now.
Nothing, the world is my oyster, nothing can go wrong.
And then it did.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So how many of you are on Facebook?
Let me ask you that how many ofyou are here on Facebook, okay?
How many of you are onInstagram, me, okay.
So, joel, is it the same aswhat your name is on here?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, it's Joel Vaughn.
Music on everything Joel Vaughn.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Music Okay.
So if you want to learn moreabout his running, just don't
follow him.
If you don't want to learnabout it, don't follow him.
If you do want to learn abouthis running and his music, make
sure you follow Joel VaughnMusic on Instagram and Facebook
on Instagram and Facebook.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, even if you don't like running, you'll still
want to follow him because ofthe music.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well and I think you're going to like this one
too, cause you know I reallywant to I want to say, joe, I
really like again the runningthings.
I swipe past.
I'm like, yeah, okay, I'm notdoing that, I'm not doing it.
but I really enjoy it when I seepeople being really open about
(07:26):
life, what's going on, theirthoughts.
And you created this post.
I want to kind of dissect andkind of go through this post
with you and then ask you yourthoughts so you can share with
people.
And remember, guys, if you guyshave a question or a thought,
just go click that Q&A and we'llbring you up as soon as we find
a good spot to bring you up soyou can ask questions and share
(07:46):
your thoughts as well.
Joe, your post starts off withan interesting statement.
It said I don't know everything.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Shocker, right that's shocker.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It stopped right there.
I was like whoa wait a minute,this guy does not know
everything.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
We thought you were all knowing the all-powerful
laws.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I thought he was like me, he knew all things.
But the more I read it, themore I'm like okay, this guy got
something to say.
It really does stop you,because that's not something you
see on Facebook, right,everybody knows everything and
everybody else knows nothing.
So when I saw that I don't knoweverything, it really stopped
me in that scroll.
So can you share?
(08:20):
Let's start here.
Can you share what inspired youto post that?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Interesting anecdote.
I just finished running eightmiles on a treadmill and I sat
down to write that.
So anyway, I just I thought.
I thought you might find thatfunny, wow.
No, I you know honestly, I hadto scroll back to the post to
remember cause you said, hey,let's talk about that, and I was
like, what did I even say onthat post?
(08:45):
I'm sure there's a nugget ofwisdom in there, probably, and I
kind of had to read through itmyself and I was like, oh, past
me, you.
Actually you did know something.
So, yeah, I dove into that postand wrote it.
I really can't remember thatday.
It was June 12th of this year.
So I've been all over Americasince then.
(09:08):
I don't really remember whatinspired it, other than I have a
lot of people usuallyindependent artists or people
looking to get into music thathave questions like how do I do
this, how do I write a song, orlike how do I become a Christian
, or like just an artist orwrite music and that sort of
thing, and a lot of people cometo me for advice and I'm so
(09:32):
appreciative and like that thatthey'll even do that.
I think that's awesome.
I'm like, wow, they think Iknow a lot of stuff, they think
I know everything.
And sometimes I get questionsthat stump me and I'm like you
know, I don't know there's aprofessional for that or
whatever.
So I said it tongue in cheekthat I don't know everything,
because I oftentimes get askedquestions like do these people
(09:54):
really think I know everythingBecause I don't know everything?
So I guess in that context Iwas really addressing people
that are looking to do kind ofwhat I do or people that are in
ministry, and so I just kind ofshared my heart of where I
started and how I got to where Iwas.
But that the beauty and this iswhere it translates to everyone
(10:18):
, not just musicians, not justpastors or anything like that
the beauty and the fact that youdon't know everything and you
never will is a good thing,because that means you're still
learning the post is very.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's a very long post and we'll have to share it,
I'll share it.
No, that's right.
I thought he wrote it for thewhole eight miles.
You said you ran, I think thewhole eight miles.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
No, I mean, I wrote it.
I don't know how long it tookme to write it.
I was probably sitting therefor about 20 minutes typing that
up, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I was going to say that my fingers have been
cramping.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I mean, oh, yeah, no, I can't write while I'm on the
treadmill.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I'll be like that would be a whole different post,
wouldn't it?
Yeah, that would be the postabout.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I'm in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well, in the post okay, I'm going to dissect this
more here you said you shared inyour post that you have a
special love for knowledge,music and then some ancient
reading.
So, okay, I want to first do afact check on this.
Okay, let's do it All right.
All right, you put in that postthat you read two sets of
(11:19):
encyclopedias.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I have two sets of encyclopedias, a red set and a
blue set.
Encyclopedia Britannicas yeah,and you read all two sets.
Oh yeah, I mean I started whenI was like three and went
through until I was like sevenand I had read those things back
and forth and obviously by thetime I'm seven, eight years old.
I'm like I skipped all thethings that I didn't want to
(11:43):
read, but I read all the thingsthat I wanted to read.
Those were my favorite books.
I was gutted when I found outthat my mom had sold them in a
yard sale in 2005.
She was like I didn't thinkanybody wanted these.
You went to college.
I was like, well, I'm going totake two stacks of encyclopedias
to college, mom in 2005 in 2005come on or 2004, but still I
(12:07):
had a tiny dorm room.
What am I going to do withthose?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
anyway, yeah, I don't understand how.
I don't understand how somebodywould sit down and read an
encyclopedia has anybody herethrow some confetti has anybody
here sat down I understand that.
Oh, I mean read a read aconfetti.
Read the pictures in theencyclopedia, didn't even have.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
They weren't even in color and then I found out I
felt like I was getting gyppedbecause I found out that, uh,
there were encyclopedias thathad colored pictures.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
When I got older, I was like this is a thing that's
a thing, yeah I wish I couldremember which set of
encyclopedias.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
we had Gen Z kids get all the cool stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I know that's so true .
I remember when my dad boughtus the, you know, was it like a
door-to-door salesperson thatsold the encyclopedias to your
family?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, that's what my parents told me, because they
bought them before I was born.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Wow, wow they said.
Oh, they said it was a door todoor salesman.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
The other set, I think, came from my grandfather.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Makes sense.
Yeah, yeah, I remember the daywhen the door to door salesman
came and, you know, showed usthese encyclopedias and I was in
love.
I mean, I was an encyclopediareader as well.
I don't think I read the entireset, though I was, like you
know, picking and choosingpretty hard.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
But I remember when they came to the door and I
thought my dad will never buythese.
They're pretty expensive.
My dad had made it pretty clearthat we didn't have a lot of
money and he bought them, andnow, looking back, I see it as
such a gesture of love.
You know, encyclopedias forcrying out loud yeah, but I have
a really deep memory about thattoo.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Encyclopedias for me out loud yeah but I have a
really deep memory about thattoo doesn't make me think love,
but I'll get there in a secondgo ahead I also had a love for
national geographic magazine,but my grandparents slapped them
out of my hands becauseapparently there was some not so
pg stuff oh, yeah, africanladies, yeah, yeah, yeah they're
like.
They're like, hey, you don'tneed that.
(13:59):
I was like, oh, but the lionsand stuff there's like there's a
lot more than lions, buddy.
So I was like encyclopedias itis there's bears in here.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
They're burying it all.
Come on, I don't know like Iremember encyclopedias because,
like I'd be like hey, mom anddad, I'm trying to figure out
this.
How can I just like go look itup in the encyclopedia and I'm
like no.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
See, I love looking at the encyclopedias.
I was like, oh no.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
See, the furthest I got was like, even looking at
the binder where it says likethis covers A through D, I'm
like that's enough for me, I'mdone.
See, that's what I love.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's like A apples sweet.
I'm gonna go grab this and yeahand dude, this is, this is.
This is a turbo nerd moment.
I I was known to have mywebster's dictionary open here
and then my encyclopedia openhere and like just yeah that's
how you learn.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Oh, there's this.
There's this meme that I loveand it says don't judge people
who mispronounce things, becausethey probably learned all of
their big words from reading andyou don't necessarily learn how
to pronounce words well, fromreading.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I love that.
Hope don't phonics work for me.
It's not encyclopedia, that'sfor sure.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Oh my gosh, I mean, when you wrote that I was like,
wow, he actually read that's aninteresting fact to know about,
it is interesting.
So OK, let's go down a littlebit more on this.
So you also mentioned thatyou've earned a.
I mean again, you have a lovefor knowledge, you love to learn
.
So you mentioned that you, youhave actually earned a
broadcasting degree and amaster's in education.
(15:36):
So at what point did you beginto accept that not knowing
everything is not only okay, butalso a beautiful part of life?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Probably after earning my bachelor's degree.
Getting that piece of paper wasvalidation.
My parents went back to schoolwhen I was in the ninth grade.
That's why we ended up in Texas.
My parents were born and raisedin Alabama, like Birmingham,
alabama, and so that's kind ofwhere I grew up for the most.
(16:10):
Well, the first half of my lifewas in Mississippi and Alabama
and so we transplanted to Texaswhen I was a teenager and they
went back to school to get theirdegrees and they always kind of
drilled in our heads thateducation is really, really
important and my mom reallywanted me to get a college
degree so that I would get aheadin life and have kind of a leg
(16:33):
up in a way that she didn'tnecessarily and so didn't
necessarily.
And so I earned that bachelor'sdegree after good grief.
What's funny is I couldn't makemy mind up on what I wanted as a
kid.
I knew exactly what I wanted todo and then I figured out oh,
(16:53):
I'm not good with math, I don'twant to be an engineer after all
.
And that's when I was in myencyclopedia phase.
I was like I want to build tallbuildings.
I would look at the World TradePictures of the World Trade
Center and the Empire StateBuilding and stuff like that.
I was like I want to build that.
(17:14):
And then my mom would be like,yeah, you're gonna have to be
good at math, son.
And so I was like, okay, I'llfigure that testing.
I don't even remember what theycalled it back then, but in the
fifth grade I had a seniorlevel, like 11th to 12th grade
reading and comprehension andEnglish level in the fifth grade
.
And then math.
(17:35):
I had a third grade math level.
So what that means is I wasreally smart linguistically, I
was an avid reader and I waskind of an idiot with math, and
so I figured out real quick I'mnot going to be an engineer and
I'm fine with that.
But in that mix is when I foundout that I can sing.
(17:55):
Like I was singing in the backof the car and harmonizing, and
I remember I'm sitting there inthe van and both my parents
turned back and look at me andthey're like are you harmonizing
?
I was like I don't know whatthat means.
They're like he's matchingpitch and all that.
And so I was like, hey, I ampretty good at this.
And so I figured out I wanted tobe a musician, but I didn't
know how that worked out witheducation, and I'm not the type
(18:18):
of person to say you have to goto college, or you need to go to
college to be a musician oranything you don't.
Honestly, this day and time, itprobably behooves you to not go
to college if you want to be atraveling musician.
But I knew that it wasimportant for my family and
important for me because I had ahunger and a thirst for
knowledge to just to go andfigure it out, and so it took me
(18:40):
a while to figure out what mymajor even was.
I went for music and then Ifound out music theory is boring
, it's just like math it sucks.
And so I actually dropped outof music.
And then I found a love, becauseI love technology.
I found a love in broadcastcommunication, and so I earned
my bachelor, a love in broadcastcommunication.
And so I earned my bachelor'sdegree in broadcast
(19:01):
communication.
And that was the point where Iwas like, okay, what I found is
technology changes all the time.
All the time.
If you're not up on it, ifyou're not reading into it, if
you're not keeping up with it,it leaves you behind in months,
and so no piece of paper thatvalidates you in that like, hey,
you're a smart guy.
(19:22):
That's only going to last solong.
Learning is a lifelong thingand technology and production
has taught me that, and that'swhen I finished my degree.
In a long answer is when Ifigured that out.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Wow, and then I still went back and got a master's
degree.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
anyway, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Because you love for knowledge, you still love
knowledge.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
But I mean, I think that's a pretty good thing to
learn, especially going throughall the learning.
I mean gosh, I have to admit.
I mean there's times that Ifeel like, oh, I know it all and
I have not read.
I mean there's times that Ifeel like, oh, I know it all and
I have not read two sets ofEncyclopedia.
I don't have a master's, Idon't.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I know a little bit about a lot of things and it's
so funny, I feel like when we'rein the van, not in the tour bus
, because when you're in a tourbus everybody's kind of to
themselves, but when we'retraveling in the van or if we're
in an airplane, it's like theband, it's always like.
A lot of the guys that work forme are in their 20s, so like 20
to 27 years old, and they justit's like a game for them, like
(20:26):
testing my knowledge orsomething, and they'll just ask
me a question about somethingrandom.
I don't even know that, I'm notsmart enough to pick up on what
they're doing, but I'm smartenough to answer their dumb
question.
So it's like wait, this is abit right now you guys are just
trying to see if Joel knewsomething about coffee beans
that were ingested by some merecat looking thing.
(20:47):
That sold for $200 an ounce,yeah, so yeah, I know about
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
When I first saw your post, it caught my attention
because of being in places whereI felt like I needed to know it
all, like I needed to be ableto prove people, to show them
like, like not that, even asmuch as that, that I'm important
, but that like there's value inwhat I do, yeah, and and there
is and there is yeah, and Ithink that.
But we can get in the mindset ofthinking that I have to know it
(21:19):
all or I'm not going to be, I'mnot going to have any value, or
that knowledge.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
You wear that not just as your validation.
But that is you and it's it'snot.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
It's a part of you yes, well, you know, as you, as
we went through this one, as Icontinue to read, because I went
through the whole post againbefore, before we connect
exactly because, again, it's,it's like a, it's, it's like a
half of a set, of anencyclopedia set.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
The post is it's not like I did it overnight.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I'm not rain man, yeah, yeah well, you do know you
can build buildings in here.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I don't, I mean we both oh yeah, I know I'm great
with math.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So, uh, but I'm not.
People's lives aren't on theline for this, yeah yeah, you
don't need an actual engineer.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I have a broadcast engineering degree, not an
engineering degree.
I don't want to drop a 400pound light light on somebody's
head, which, incidentally, I dohang very heavy lights at
concerts.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
So there's that too, right.
Can you give us a warningbefore, like what concerts
you're hanging lights at before?
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I don't hang the lights.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
That's also not true.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Careful where we stand, I have hung lights.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I have been known to take line array speakers and
crank them up in the air andpray to the Lord that they don't
fall down.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Everybody in the studio.
These lights were not hung byJoel Vaughn, so you're all good.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah, you're safe, you're safe.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
You talked about.
There's a part in here thatreally started grabbing my
attention and I know that we'veactually talked a little bit
about this recently, not justyou, but other people we've
brought in other guests.
This topic starts coming up,but you talked about the
importance of perspective andlearning that our perspective
isn't the only one, and wetalked we were talking about
that, about how we're learning,how I don't know if you've heard
(23:10):
this before about how we havedifferent sets of ears, and
inner ear and outer ear.
Yeah, okay.
So you know, I mean, we haven'tso you know, I mean we haven't,
but I, I'm, I'm learning, yeah,okay.
So, like the like, your innerear is like what you think, like
when you hear yourself talking,that's what you feel.
Like you sound like, yep.
Your outer ear is like when youplay back a recording.
You're like, oh, I sound likethat.
(23:31):
No, yep, that's your outer.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I hate the way I sound when I talk.
It's, that's exactly.
Yeah, it's atrocious.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, me too, I'm out and and yeah, so you get it.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
So it's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
We started realizing with eyes, like with our eyes,
there's different perspectives.
I see myself differently thanthan Mrs Killer Bee sees me.
But then we also startedtalking about how, through our
perspectives, we see the worlddifferently than others.
So can you elaborate, elaboratemore on this, like where this
came from in your life, wherethis started coming to your
attention.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
So I think one thing for me that was very valuable.
I didn't think it was valuableas a kid.
My dad was in the Air Force, sowe didn't stick around and stay
in many places for very long.
So, like I remember, my wifeactually asked me this the other
day, like what was the shortestyou ever lived anywhere?
(24:24):
And I was like I can't remember, but I think we were at a base
house for about a month and thenwe lived in a hotel for about a
month and then we transferredinto a house and we lived there
for six months.
So I was everywhere, right, itwas a very unique perspective to
grow up on an Air Force baseand then, in 1994, my dad
(24:49):
retired from the Air Force andto jump out of that lifestyle
and into the real world, so tospeak.
The real world, so to speak.
So what I had seen was like howthe world was done was like
everybody loved everybody.
You didn't see race, color,creed, nothing.
(25:10):
It was just expected thateveryone had mutual respect for
everyone.
And so I saw that perspectivewhere everybody just got along
and I thought that was awesomeand I think it's a great place
to be as a kid, honestly.
And then when my dad left theAir Force and retired, he bought
(25:32):
some property back home inAlabama and so I saw the world.
The lens was very, verydifferent than what I was used
to, very different.
I had heard some words that Idid not even I didn't know
existed when I went to publicschool, and I heard some things
(25:52):
that I was like, yeah, I don'tknow what that means, but that's
not okay, and so I guess thepart of that unique perspective
is we moved around a lot.
So I was born in South Carolinaon an Air Force base, lived in
Columbus, mississippi, on an AirForce base and Altus, oklahoma,
on an Air Force base, and thensuddenly I'm off of the Air
Force base and I'm in the realworld and we moved to Texas.
(26:12):
But we're traveling around thiswhole time and we're meeting
people from all over, and youknow, the only way I know how to
explain this is this you get onFacebook.
It made the world really reallysmall, really really fast, and
everybody thinks and this iscoming from a person that's
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lived in seven different states.
I've lived in seven differentstates, I've traveled to almost
all of them, and the UnitedStates is just a melting pot of
culture, more so than anywhereelse in the world.
But what I can say is this Ifyou get on Facebook during the
spring months, everyone will sayoh man, your weather isn't like
(26:56):
our weather.
You know, wait five minutes andit'll be like this.
And five minutes later it'll belike this, and five minutes
later it'll be like that.
Literally everyone in theUnited States of America thinks
that their weather is morespecial than the other region's
weather, like nah, Midwestweather is so true.
And it's not even a thing.
It's like, guys, okay, numberone, nobody's weather is as bad
(27:18):
as Canada's.
Theirs is terrible.
Okay, new Hampshire, untilyou've walked around in negative
42 degrees with 60 mile an hourwind hitting you in the face,
you don't know cold weather likethey know it.
So there are places where thatis true, true, so, like everyone
has this, and it's not anentitlement thing or anything
(27:39):
like that.
But everyone thinks, uh, thatthe world is, it's like, their
bubble is, is, is special anddifferent, and in a way, it's
like, yes, it's special and inits own way, but you're also in
a bubble, um, and the rest ofthe world is, is not like that.
(27:59):
Oh, my arm just got reallyreally far.
How do I fix that?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I think my arm's moving.
Is your house moving?
Am I in an RV?
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
so anyway, I forgot what I was saying because my arm
just got 30 feet long, Ithought I was in a bus.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
You're talking about people being in bubbles, like
everybody's in a small yeah,yeah, yeah.
So we all kind of do, and evenI thought I was in a bus.
Again, you're talking aboutpeople being in bubbles.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Everybody's in a small bubble.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we all kind of do and even Ido this to an extent, because I
lived in Amarillo, texas, whereit truly is some of the worst
weather on the planet.
I don't know why anyone livesthere, except for the food is
really really amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
And that's another thing.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Switch to the next subject.
Switch to the next subject.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Switch to the next subject Like no real barbecue is
here.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Real barbecue is there.
I saw that the other day, ohyeah.
So, uh, it kind of led to thiswhole like hey, like everyone
has something special anddifferent and beautiful about
who they are and where they'refrom, um, and I.
What I really love about theway I grew up is that I got to
experience a lot of it.
And, yeah, a lot of my friendsfrom certain parts of the
(29:09):
country think that there'sthings about where they live
that's so much different andbetter and whatever, I wouldn't
use the word the language better.
I would say it's different andyou should celebrate that
because it's beautiful and we'reall learning this together.
So, anyway, I wouldn't use theword the language better.
I would say it's different andyou should celebrate that
because it's beautiful and we'reall learning this together.
So, anyway, I don't even knowif I answered the question.
My 10-foot arm, totally knockedme off track.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
That threw you.
Well, if this makes you feelbetter, it didn't look that way
to us, so we didn't even notice,so don't worry, we didn't even
notice your arm.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Oh, okay, cool, my janky arm.
It was like over near you, MrsKiller Bee.
I was like what is going?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
on.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
My arm looks like a water slide right now.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, I hate it when that happens.
It's so distracting.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
These are metaverse problems.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yes, metaverse problems?
I don't feel any painafterwards.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I mean, you'd be good you don't have to do any
stretches before you come inhere.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
We're learning.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, you got to learn not to use that smile.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I don't even know how to make it stop.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
It looks like a gerbil chipmunk thing, I don't
even know.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yes, please update the smiling, and the smile is
meta, please meta no I thinkthat was something that we were
touching on about perspectives,like learning that, hey, it's
okay that people have differentperspectives.
If we could get to that mindsetand say, you know what we don't
(30:35):
have to like, it doesn't mean Ihave to accept and adopt the
way you see things.
It's okay for us to havedifferent perspectives, that's
okay, just like what you'retalking about here, about how
it's okay.
It's really a really good thingto get to the place and realize
that it's okay that I don'tknow it all.
Yeah, the whole time I'mreading this, there was a common
theme and just a reminder ifanybody has any questions or
thoughts, just click those Q&Abox right there behind you and
(30:56):
we'll bring you up here.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Don't worry, because if I can't answer you, I've
already told you I don't knoweverything.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
And maybe you want to test his knowledge.
Go right ahead and just andmake sure you hang around the
thing, cause he will beperforming live after the
interview.
Though, there was a commontheme the whole time as I, as I
was reading this, and that themewas humility.
That's what I continued to see.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I, it's humility, that's what I continue to see.
I might have said that weirdhumility, like saying that it's
like, it's okay.
My mom is one of those.
Forgive me for you, no, I'm notgoing to use the boomer word.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
She says humble, and then I'm like there's an h in
that word, mom well, wait aminute because of texas no,
she's, she grew up in alabamabecause you know, maybe she
heard about humble texas, maybethat's what it is Maybe she knew
something I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I thought it was Humble Texas.
Maybe I'm the one that's wrong.
I don't know everything.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
We went to KSPJ radio and it was in Humble, texas.
I get there and they're likethey had to correct me it's
actually pronounced Humble.
I'm like what?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
And you know what we said, joel, we're headed.
We're headed to euston earlytoday.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, they asked for that one, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But yeah, that's, maybe that's why you should ask
her.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
You should ask her I'm gonna go to amarillo after
this.
Actually, that would have beencorrect.
Well, the common theme that Isaw.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
the common theme that I saw was humility, and I see
we have some Q&As coming up, sothat's great.
So we'll bring you guys up herein just a second.
I'm going to ask you how hasembracing the truth that you
don't know everything, how hasembracing that truth impacted
your personal growth or yourprofessional growth as a
musician?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It's okay that when somebody asks you a question, to
say I don't know, like that,and you can just lean in.
You don't have to lean intoanything.
You can just relax and say youknow, because my thing was I had
to know everything.
I loved knowing Kind of likeyou were talking about.
I loved having an answer foreverything.
I loved knowing kind of likeyou were talking about.
(33:02):
I loved having an answer foreverything.
And then when I found that Ididn't have an answer for
everything, especially when itcomes to my faith or when
somebody I'll give you anexample.
I've had people come up to meafter a show in places and tell
me about how their kid hascancer.
I had a woman come up to me andtell me that she'd driven four
(33:22):
hours to come to my show inGreen Bay, wisconsin, and the
month before her son or not herson her husband and two children
were killed in a car crash andcame up to me to thank me for a
song that I had written that hadhelped her get through.
And that's not a go Joel moment, that's more of a like oh man,
(33:47):
this is real.
People listen to my music,they're going through actual
things and I don't know what tosay to this other than I'm going
to pray for you right now, andI did.
It doesn't make me some amazinghuman being, it just means like
I don't know what the answersare in life for things like that
, and I only know what I knowand what I believe.
(34:09):
I believe that God is good andthat he's sovereign and that
there's there's purpose in pain,and we may not see it this side
of heaven, but as a human, I'mjust going to be here with you,
right now.
It's okay that we don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
That's good, okay, joe, I want to ask you another
question here, because this is apart that really that really
got to me.
Here in your post, you wereencouraging others to speak up
and and share you know, sharetheir experiences, even if they
feel out of place.
Has anybody here ever felt outof place Like you, felt like you
wanted to share something, butfor some reason you were just
scared to anybody?
(34:48):
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I seehands coming up.
Yes, uh, I mean, I've beenthere too and you wrote this.
This is exactly what you wrote,just in case you don't remember
.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yep, um, it says um you wrote you wrote.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I don't know everything, but I do know what I
know.
My experience is valid and sois yours.
So what I want to ask you iswhat advice would you give to
others who are struggling or orfeel that are feeling unheard or
dismissed, like what advicewould you give to others?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Man, this is a tough one, cause I do know what I know
.
I have been in situations,usually in the context of being
on staff at a church for mepersonally but I have been in
situations where I've felt, uh,not heard and not not, just not
seen, just not not heard, andalso not validated, uh and.
(35:46):
And that I felt like there's a,there's a pretty big glass
ceiling here in this place, andnot just in a professional way,
but in a.
I remember I had a very toughconversation with a person, a
pastor, who asked me, you know,I had stepped out of ministry on
(36:07):
staff at a church and intofull-time music ministry.
It was my first go at it 10years ago.
I mean, I've been in musicministry for over 20 years but,
like you know, this is my incomenow kind of thing.
And he asked me you know, likewhy didn't you stick around?
You know, why didn't you stayhere?
And I said you know, yourperspective was skewed for me
(36:32):
and I don't think that it canchange, and I'm hoping that it
can change.
And it was probably a littlebit of a pessimistic answer, to
be totally honest at the time,but it was probably true.
I was like, dude, have you everand I'm super into coffee, I
know a lot about coffee, I lovecoffee I was like have you ever
(36:52):
and you have have you ever madea cup of coffee?
You know, you put the filter in, you put the grinds in, you,
you know, pour the water over it.
Whether you have a pour over oryou have a machine, that's how
it works.
You grind the beans or you getground coffee, put it in the
filter and then the water poursover it.
Coffee comes out.
The way that I feel that yousee me is through a coffee
(37:15):
filter me is through a coffeefilter, and once that has
changed, once that goes from aclear, life-giving water and it
turns into brown, life-givingcoffee, the way you see me it
(37:38):
would be very hard to change andI don't know how to do that for
you.
So I had to remove myself fromthis space because I felt like,
until until you could see me theway that I had wanted you to,
that it just my, not my, time.
I guess my time here didn'tmake a whole lot of sense, and
so he was like he respectfullyunderstood when I told him that,
(37:59):
and you know it was one ofthose, like you know, good luck
with life, good luck to you,praying for you, hope all goes
well, kind of thing.
And I would like to say thatthat was a situation where I was
like, all right, we're all good.
But like, what I found was I um, got lost in thought, but like
(38:20):
I, I found that him seeing methat way, uh and and I know I'm
leaving out a lot of facts and alot of context here, so it's
like track with me, but that Ican't change his perspective on
me.
I can give him more information, but that's only going to go so
(38:45):
far as he wants to receive it.
Right, the only thing I can dois work on me place and I'm in a
situation where I feel like I'mnot being heard, where I feel
like I'm not safe, or I feellike I can't go any higher, or
that I feel like God is callingme to do something totally
different, and that space, thatplace, those people are not
(39:08):
allowing you to do it.
You have a body, you are aperson, you are a soul and a
body and you can take yourselfsomewhere else where you can
thrive, and for me that was allright.
Full-time Christian music.
Let's go.
And I would like to say that inthat time that everybody has
(39:32):
looked at me and validated meand thought that Joel's songs
are all amazing and that Joel'scareer is this and that, and
look at all the things that he'sdone.
But not everybody's impressedby Joel and that's okay.
I can lay my head down and go,huh, I didn't get nominated for
(39:52):
a double award this year.
Cool, it's not that I don'tcare, not in a pessimistic way.
It's like I don't tie myself-worth and my value into my
accomplishments anymore.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yes, that's so good.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I've been down that road, and it's not to say that I
don't have the bin to want todo that again, because anytime
I've had some level of success,like anytime I have a radio song
, for instance, it gets run upthe flagpole and then it starts
climbing up the chart.
You know, the danger is tostart going like, oh, it's
moving up to 30 this week, it'sup to 25.
(40:27):
Oh, no, it's dropped down to 32.
Oh man, I'm a terriblesongwriter, I'm a terrible.
This and that's not even true,you know.
Like it's just that that's awhole other thing.
But the the fact of the matteris like, once you start tying in
your self-worth and your valueinto the thing that you do, you
forget that you're a human being, not a human doing.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I remember, you know, when we think about our parents
and our grandparents and howthey get to a point in their
life where they look back andthey say you know, they try to
teach us not to focus so much onchasing work, so much that they
missed out on things that theywish they would have been a part
of about, even on social media,how much we can find ourselves
(41:20):
posting this stuff to try to getvalidation from people around
the world that we don't evenknow they don't care.
They don't care.
Are we getting to the pointwhere, later in life, this
younger generation and even ourgenerations here that are on
social media so much, are wegoing to look back and regret
the time and energy that wespent trying to prove how much
we know or how valid, how valuewe are, how valuable we are to
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people that doesn't matteraround the world?
Are we going to look back andregret how much we missed in
life right around us, with thepeople closest to us chasing
those things on social media,those things on social media?
So I think that it's such animportant thing for us to take
away being okay with.
Hey, it's okay if I don't knoweverything.
(42:03):
It's okay if people say youknow what?
Mr Killer Bee, you don't knoweverything.
You're right, that's a goodplace to be in.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I'm not a nuclear physicist.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
What, what?
Mrs Killer Bee tells me all thetime that I'm wrong.
Right, I split atoms all thetime.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
It's my job to keep you humble.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
There it is, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
What is a takeaway you would hope people would
leave here today with that'shere live or people listening to
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I've probably already said it, but you are a human
being, not a human doing.
You don't know everything.
Neither do I, and that's okay,because we have all of our lives
to learn, and that's abeautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yes, amen, amen, and you can take that to the bank
with about anything.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
If you enjoyed this episode don't forget to follow
this podcast and leave us areview.
You, you created this post.
I'm going to kind of dissectand kind of go through this post
with you.
It said I don't know everything.
Shocker, right, that's shocker,it stopped right there I was
like whoa, wait a minute, thisguy does not know everything we
thought you were all knowing theall-powerful laws.
It really does stop you, becausethat's not something you see on
Facebook.
At what point did you did youbegin to accept that not knowing
everything is not only okay,but also a beautiful part of
(00:25):
life?
Welcome to the New Horizonspodcast.
I'm Brian Curie.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
And I'm Shauna Curie, also known as Mr and Mrs Killer
B, in virtual reality.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So this podcast is recorded live from the metaverse
at the Killer B studios.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Where real life stories and experiences are
shared in a way only themetaverse can offer.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
With that, let's go ahead and dive into today's
episode.
I reached out to Joel becausehe put a post out on Facebook
and I texted him a while backand said, joel, would you like
to come and talk to us aboutthat post?
And he said he would love toArcane.
Can you hit that guest intromusic and everybody, let's throw
some confetti for our guest,joel Vaughn, that will be
(01:04):
joining us tonight at the KillerBee Studios.
Joel, come on out, yahoo, he'son top of the desk and
everything.
I love you.
I got to clean all this off.
Your shoes are filthy, man.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Sorry, I do run a lot so he's training for a marathon
.
I am training for a marathon,are you really I?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
am.
Oh, when is this?
When is the marathon?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
october 20, something I don't know.
My see, my wife is training fora half.
I've done a lot of halfmarathons, but I've never done
done a full marathon, and so Iwas like I wanted to make sure
she got to that point intraining where she could run 13
miles on her own and shebasically did last week.
So I'm super proud of her and Iwas like, okay, so she can do
this, she doesn't need meanymore.
(01:57):
So I want to see can I do themarathon?
Because it's been a goal ofmine since forever marathon,
because it's it's been a goal ofmine since like forever.
So, wow, wow, that's amazing andI do I really do run next to a
dog park and I really do have tododge a lot of poo.
So sorry about your desk sorryabout my desk.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Good thing it's black oh man, exactly it's black and
it's, you know, fake yeah, it'sfake that's good too.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
My shoes are actually pretty clean in Horizon Worlds
apparently.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay, before we get started on this topic, how many
of you were here at theChristmas event and heard Joel?
I was, Okay, cool, Okay.
Do you guys remember I've gotto bring this up.
Do you guys remember at the end, like we always come up and do
selfies or I guess ussies orwhatever they call them a group
picture together?
And if we all got up to get ourpicture together and then
(02:48):
everybody was like, hey, where'sJoel?
And he was gone, I was like, Idon't know if any of you guys
remember that.
So, Joel, go ahead and tellthem what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So it was a crazy night for one because I was
filling in playing drums foranother band, but I also was the
opening band that night, so Iplayed a song in here for you
guys, then I ran on stage,played drums, came back, played
another song and then, while Iwas sitting there, their show
(03:16):
ended and the tour bus driver.
So I was on a tour bus.
I was sitting on a tour buswith my headset on and while I'm
sitting there talking to youguys and then getting ready for
the group picture, suddenly Ifeel myself moving and I'm like,
oh, what's going on?
You know this kind of thing andI'll be like, oh, it'll be all
right.
I didn't really know what wouldhappen.
(03:38):
They were backing the tour busup to the loadout dock and so I
didn't realize that because Iwas no longer stationary in that
boundary, that I was justfloating away.
And so I literally like he droveoff and so my character floated
away and I couldn't get back in.
It was kind of funny.
I was like, if there's a way togo out that's the way to do it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
It's the way to do it Exactly.
It was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
He said that he saw his arms getting really long.
Oh dude, my arms got like 250feet long.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I was like what?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
He's like what's happening to me?
I've never experienced this.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
That is so funny, he's like stretch Armstrong.
That's what it felt like.
That's what it felt like I waslike oh nope, I'm going and I'm
gone.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
That's hilarious, that's great.
Joel, for those here that maybedon't know you, why don't you
take about 30 seconds and leteverybody know who Joel Vaughn
is?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So my name is Joel Vaughn.
We've established that I livein Nashville, Tennessee.
I've been married for 18 years.
We have two kids, Olivia andLevi.
They are 8 and 13,.
So the 13-year-old is going on30, and the 8-year-old is very
much an 8-year-old.
He's the one that held the shoein front of my face the first
(04:52):
time I was with you guys.
We've lived in Nashville for 8years now.
We transplanted here fromAmarillo, Texas, which is
basically ugly Colorado.
It's not like the rest of Texasbecause it gets snow, and when
I say snow I mean like a foot ofsnow and pretty consistently
(05:14):
it's just.
It turns brown and disgustingpretty quick and it's windy.
It is the windiest city inAmerica.
Chicago and Amarillo go backand forth on who's the windiest
city in America.
Amarillo is at the base of theRockies, so you have the Rocky
Mountains Beautiful, picturesque, and then you have the plains
(05:34):
and the panhandles, and sothat's where I'm in.
We were in the dirty part ofAmerica, but it was home.
When my music career took offand I signed a record deal, it
just made sense for us to makethe move to Nashville, so Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Is that to say that you moved right when you were
having your eight year old?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
So that was our 10.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So we had been married 10 years.
Uh, we celebrated our 10thanniversary.
I turned 30.
My daughter turned five, my sonwas born, and then we sold our
house and packed up and movedthree months later.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I do not recommend it .
Exactly.
I do not recommend it 10 out of10 do not recommend.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Hindsight is it's more than 2020 on that one.
But, yeah, I was like I signeda record deal.
I have a top billboard chartingsong right now.
Nothing, the world is my oyster, nothing can go wrong.
And then it did.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So how many of you are on Facebook?
Let me ask you that how many ofyou are here on Facebook, okay?
How many of you are onInstagram, me, okay.
So, joel, is it the same aswhat your name is on here?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, it's Joel Vaughn.
Music on everything Joel Vaughn.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Music Okay.
So if you want to learn moreabout his running, just don't
follow him.
If you don't want to learnabout it, don't follow him.
If you do want to learn abouthis running and his music, make
sure you follow Joel VaughnMusic on Instagram and Facebook
on Instagram and Facebook.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, even if you don't like running, you'll still
want to follow him because ofthe music.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well and I think you're going to like this one
too, cause you know I reallywant to I want to say, joe, I
really like again the runningthings.
I swipe past.
I'm like, yeah, okay, I'm notdoing that, I'm not doing it.
but I really enjoy it when I seepeople being really open about
(07:26):
life, what's going on, theirthoughts.
And you created this post.
I want to kind of dissect andkind of go through this post
with you and then ask you yourthoughts so you can share with
people.
And remember, guys, if you guyshave a question or a thought,
just go click that Q&A and we'llbring you up as soon as we find
a good spot to bring you up soyou can ask questions and share
(07:46):
your thoughts as well.
Joe, your post starts off withan interesting statement.
It said I don't know everything.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Shocker, right that's shocker.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It stopped right there.
I was like whoa wait a minute,this guy does not know
everything.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
We thought you were all knowing the all-powerful
laws.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I thought he was like me, he knew all things.
But the more I read it, themore I'm like okay, this guy got
something to say.
It really does stop you,because that's not something you
see on Facebook, right,everybody knows everything and
everybody else knows nothing.
So when I saw that I don't knoweverything, it really stopped
me in that scroll.
So can you share?
(08:20):
Let's start here.
Can you share what inspired youto post that?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Interesting anecdote.
I just finished running eightmiles on a treadmill and I sat
down to write that.
So anyway, I just I thought.
I thought you might find thatfunny, wow.
No, I you know honestly, I hadto scroll back to the post to
remember cause you said, hey,let's talk about that, and I was
like, what did I even say onthat post?
(08:45):
I'm sure there's a nugget ofwisdom in there, probably, and I
kind of had to read through itmyself and I was like, oh, past
me, you.
Actually you did know something.
So, yeah, I dove into that postand wrote it.
I really can't remember thatday.
It was June 12th of this year.
So I've been all over Americasince then.
(09:08):
I don't really remember whatinspired it, other than I have a
lot of people usuallyindependent artists or people
looking to get into music thathave questions like how do I do
this, how do I write a song, orlike how do I become a Christian
, or like just an artist orwrite music and that sort of
thing, and a lot of people cometo me for advice and I'm so
(09:32):
appreciative and like that thatthey'll even do that.
I think that's awesome.
I'm like, wow, they think Iknow a lot of stuff, they think
I know everything.
And sometimes I get questionsthat stump me and I'm like you
know, I don't know there's aprofessional for that or
whatever.
So I said it tongue in cheekthat I don't know everything,
because I oftentimes get askedquestions like do these people
(09:54):
really think I know everythingBecause I don't know everything?
So I guess in that context Iwas really addressing people
that are looking to do kind ofwhat I do or people that are in
ministry, and so I just kind ofshared my heart of where I
started and how I got to where Iwas.
But that the beauty and this iswhere it translates to everyone
(10:18):
, not just musicians, not justpastors or anything like that
the beauty and the fact that youdon't know everything and you
never will is a good thing,because that means you're still
learning the post is very.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's a very long post and we'll have to share it,
I'll share it.
No, that's right.
I thought he wrote it for thewhole eight miles.
You said you ran, I think thewhole eight miles.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
No, I mean, I wrote it.
I don't know how long it tookme to write it.
I was probably sitting therefor about 20 minutes typing that
up, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I was going to say that my fingers have been
cramping.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I mean, oh, yeah, no, I can't write while I'm on the
treadmill.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I'll be like that would be a whole different post,
wouldn't it?
Yeah, that would be the postabout.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I'm in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well, in the post okay, I'm going to dissect this
more here you said you shared inyour post that you have a
special love for knowledge,music and then some ancient
reading.
So, okay, I want to first do afact check on this.
Okay, let's do it All right.
All right, you put in that postthat you read two sets of
(11:19):
encyclopedias.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I have two sets of encyclopedias, a red set and a
blue set.
Encyclopedia Britannicas yeah,and you read all two sets.
Oh yeah, I mean I started whenI was like three and went
through until I was like sevenand I had read those things back
and forth and obviously by thetime I'm seven, eight years old.
I'm like I skipped all thethings that I didn't want to
(11:43):
read, but I read all the thingsthat I wanted to read.
Those were my favorite books.
I was gutted when I found outthat my mom had sold them in a
yard sale in 2005.
She was like I didn't thinkanybody wanted these.
You went to college.
I was like, well, I'm going totake two stacks of encyclopedias
to college, mom in 2005 in 2005come on or 2004, but still I
(12:07):
had a tiny dorm room.
What am I going to do withthose?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
anyway, yeah, I don't understand how.
I don't understand how somebodywould sit down and read an
encyclopedia has anybody herethrow some confetti has anybody
here sat down I understand that.
Oh, I mean read a read aconfetti.
Read the pictures in theencyclopedia, didn't even have.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
They weren't even in color and then I found out I
felt like I was getting gyppedbecause I found out that, uh,
there were encyclopedias thathad colored pictures.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
When I got older, I was like this is a thing that's
a thing, yeah I wish I couldremember which set of
encyclopedias.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
we had Gen Z kids get all the cool stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I know that's so true .
I remember when my dad boughtus the, you know, was it like a
door-to-door salesperson thatsold the encyclopedias to your
family?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, that's what my parents told me, because they
bought them before I was born.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Wow, wow they said.
Oh, they said it was a door todoor salesman.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
The other set, I think, came from my grandfather.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Makes sense.
Yeah, yeah, I remember the daywhen the door to door salesman
came and, you know, showed usthese encyclopedias and I was in
love.
I mean, I was an encyclopediareader as well.
I don't think I read the entireset, though I was, like you
know, picking and choosingpretty hard.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
But I remember when they came to the door and I
thought my dad will never buythese.
They're pretty expensive.
My dad had made it pretty clearthat we didn't have a lot of
money and he bought them, andnow, looking back, I see it as
such a gesture of love.
You know, encyclopedias forcrying out loud yeah, but I have
a really deep memory about thattoo.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Encyclopedias for me out loud yeah but I have a
really deep memory about thattoo doesn't make me think love,
but I'll get there in a secondgo ahead I also had a love for
national geographic magazine,but my grandparents slapped them
out of my hands becauseapparently there was some not so
pg stuff oh, yeah, africanladies, yeah, yeah, yeah they're
like.
They're like, hey, you don'tneed that.
(13:59):
I was like, oh, but the lionsand stuff there's like there's a
lot more than lions, buddy.
So I was like encyclopedias itis there's bears in here.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
They're burying it all.
Come on, I don't know like Iremember encyclopedias because,
like I'd be like hey, mom anddad, I'm trying to figure out
this.
How can I just like go look itup in the encyclopedia and I'm
like no.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
See, I love looking at the encyclopedias.
I was like, oh no.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
See, the furthest I got was like, even looking at
the binder where it says likethis covers A through D, I'm
like that's enough for me, I'mdone.
See, that's what I love.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's like A apples sweet.
I'm gonna go grab this and yeahand dude, this is, this is.
This is a turbo nerd moment.
I I was known to have mywebster's dictionary open here
and then my encyclopedia openhere and like just yeah that's
how you learn.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Oh, there's this.
There's this meme that I loveand it says don't judge people
who mispronounce things, becausethey probably learned all of
their big words from reading andyou don't necessarily learn how
to pronounce words well, fromreading.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I love that.
Hope don't phonics work for me.
It's not encyclopedia, that'sfor sure.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Oh my gosh, I mean, when you wrote that I was like,
wow, he actually read that's aninteresting fact to know about,
it is interesting.
So OK, let's go down a littlebit more on this.
So you also mentioned thatyou've earned a.
I mean again, you have a lovefor knowledge, you love to learn
.
So you mentioned that you, youhave actually earned a
broadcasting degree and amaster's in education.
(15:36):
So at what point did you beginto accept that not knowing
everything is not only okay, butalso a beautiful part of life?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Probably after earning my bachelor's degree.
Getting that piece of paper wasvalidation.
My parents went back to schoolwhen I was in the ninth grade.
That's why we ended up in Texas.
My parents were born and raisedin Alabama, like Birmingham,
alabama, and so that's kind ofwhere I grew up for the most.
(16:10):
Well, the first half of my lifewas in Mississippi and Alabama
and so we transplanted to Texaswhen I was a teenager and they
went back to school to get theirdegrees and they always kind of
drilled in our heads thateducation is really, really
important and my mom reallywanted me to get a college
degree so that I would get aheadin life and have kind of a leg
(16:33):
up in a way that she didn'tnecessarily and so didn't
necessarily.
And so I earned that bachelor'sdegree after good grief.
What's funny is I couldn't makemy mind up on what I wanted as a
kid.
I knew exactly what I wanted todo and then I figured out oh,
(16:53):
I'm not good with math, I don'twant to be an engineer after all
.
And that's when I was in myencyclopedia phase.
I was like I want to build tallbuildings.
I would look at the World TradePictures of the World Trade
Center and the Empire StateBuilding and stuff like that.
I was like I want to build that.
(17:14):
And then my mom would be like,yeah, you're gonna have to be
good at math, son.
And so I was like, okay, I'llfigure that testing.
I don't even remember what theycalled it back then, but in the
fifth grade I had a seniorlevel, like 11th to 12th grade
reading and comprehension andEnglish level in the fifth grade
.
And then math.
(17:35):
I had a third grade math level.
So what that means is I wasreally smart linguistically, I
was an avid reader and I waskind of an idiot with math, and
so I figured out real quick I'mnot going to be an engineer and
I'm fine with that.
But in that mix is when I foundout that I can sing.
(17:55):
Like I was singing in the backof the car and harmonizing, and
I remember I'm sitting there inthe van and both my parents
turned back and look at me andthey're like are you harmonizing
?
I was like I don't know whatthat means.
They're like he's matchingpitch and all that.
And so I was like, hey, I ampretty good at this.
And so I figured out I wanted tobe a musician, but I didn't
know how that worked out witheducation, and I'm not the type
(18:18):
of person to say you have to goto college, or you need to go to
college to be a musician oranything you don't.
Honestly, this day and time, itprobably behooves you to not go
to college if you want to be atraveling musician.
But I knew that it wasimportant for my family and
important for me because I had ahunger and a thirst for
knowledge to just to go andfigure it out, and so it took me
(18:40):
a while to figure out what mymajor even was.
I went for music and then Ifound out music theory is boring
, it's just like math it sucks.
And so I actually dropped outof music.
And then I found a love, becauseI love technology.
I found a love in broadcastcommunication, and so I earned
my bachelor, a love in broadcastcommunication.
And so I earned my bachelor'sdegree in broadcast
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communication.
And that was the point where Iwas like, okay, what I found is
technology changes all the time.
All the time.
If you're not up on it, ifyou're not reading into it, if
you're not keeping up with it,it leaves you behind in months,
and so no piece of paper thatvalidates you in that like, hey,
you're a smart guy.
(19:22):
That's only going to last solong.
Learning is a lifelong thingand technology and production
has taught me that, and that'swhen I finished my degree.
In a long answer is when Ifigured that out.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Wow, and then I still went back and got a master's
degree.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
anyway, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Because you love for knowledge, you still love
knowledge.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
But I mean, I think that's a pretty good thing to
learn, especially going throughall the learning.
I mean gosh, I have to admit.
I mean there's times that Ifeel like, oh, I know it all and
I have not read.
I mean there's times that Ifeel like, oh, I know it all and
I have not read two sets ofEncyclopedia.
I don't have a master's, Idon't.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I know a little bit about a lot of things and it's
so funny, I feel like when we'rein the van, not in the tour bus
, because when you're in a tourbus everybody's kind of to
themselves, but when we'retraveling in the van or if we're
in an airplane, it's like theband, it's always like.
A lot of the guys that work forme are in their 20s, so like 20
to 27 years old, and they justit's like a game for them, like
(20:26):
testing my knowledge orsomething, and they'll just ask
me a question about somethingrandom.
I don't even know that, I'm notsmart enough to pick up on what
they're doing, but I'm smartenough to answer their dumb
question.
So it's like wait, this is abit right now you guys are just
trying to see if Joel knewsomething about coffee beans
that were ingested by some merecat looking thing.
(20:47):
That sold for $200 an ounce,yeah, so yeah, I know about
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
When I first saw your post, it caught my attention
because of being in places whereI felt like I needed to know it
all, like I needed to be ableto prove people, to show them
like, like not that, even asmuch as that, that I'm important
, but that like there's value inwhat I do, yeah, and and there
is and there is yeah, and Ithink that.
But we can get in the mindset ofthinking that I have to know it
(21:19):
all or I'm not going to be, I'mnot going to have any value, or
that knowledge.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
You wear that not just as your validation.
But that is you and it's it'snot.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
It's a part of you yes, well, you know, as you, as
we went through this one, as Icontinue to read, because I went
through the whole post againbefore, before we connect
exactly because, again, it's,it's like a, it's, it's like a
half of a set, of anencyclopedia set.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
The post is it's not like I did it overnight.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I'm not rain man, yeah, yeah well, you do know you
can build buildings in here.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I don't, I mean we both oh yeah, I know I'm great
with math.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So, uh, but I'm not.
People's lives aren't on theline for this, yeah yeah, you
don't need an actual engineer.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I have a broadcast engineering degree, not an
engineering degree.
I don't want to drop a 400pound light light on somebody's
head, which, incidentally, I dohang very heavy lights at
concerts.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
So there's that too, right.
Can you give us a warningbefore, like what concerts
you're hanging lights at before?
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I don't hang the lights.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
That's also not true.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Careful where we stand, I have hung lights.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I have been known to take line array speakers and
crank them up in the air andpray to the Lord that they don't
fall down.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Everybody in the studio.
These lights were not hung byJoel Vaughn, so you're all good.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah, you're safe, you're safe.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
You talked about.
There's a part in here thatreally started grabbing my
attention and I know that we'veactually talked a little bit
about this recently, not justyou, but other people we've
brought in other guests.
This topic starts coming up,but you talked about the
importance of perspective andlearning that our perspective
isn't the only one, and wetalked we were talking about
that, about how we're learning,how I don't know if you've heard
(23:10):
this before about how we havedifferent sets of ears, and
inner ear and outer ear.
Yeah, okay.
So you know, I mean, we haven'tso you know, I mean we haven't,
but I, I'm, I'm learning, yeah,okay.
So, like the like, your innerear is like what you think, like
when you hear yourself talking,that's what you feel.
Like you sound like, yep.
Your outer ear is like when youplay back a recording.
You're like, oh, I sound likethat.
(23:31):
No, yep, that's your outer.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I hate the way I sound when I talk.
It's, that's exactly.
Yeah, it's atrocious.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, me too, I'm out and and yeah, so you get it.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
So it's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
We started realizing with eyes, like with our eyes,
there's different perspectives.
I see myself differently thanthan Mrs Killer Bee sees me.
But then we also startedtalking about how, through our
perspectives, we see the worlddifferently than others.
So can you elaborate, elaboratemore on this, like where this
came from in your life, wherethis started coming to your
attention.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
So I think one thing for me that was very valuable.
I didn't think it was valuableas a kid.
My dad was in the Air Force, sowe didn't stick around and stay
in many places for very long.
So, like I remember, my wifeactually asked me this the other
day, like what was the shortestyou ever lived anywhere?
(24:24):
And I was like I can't remember, but I think we were at a base
house for about a month and thenwe lived in a hotel for about a
month and then we transferredinto a house and we lived there
for six months.
So I was everywhere, right, itwas a very unique perspective to
grow up on an Air Force baseand then, in 1994, my dad
(24:49):
retired from the Air Force andto jump out of that lifestyle
and into the real world, so tospeak.
The real world, so to speak.
So what I had seen was like howthe world was done was like
everybody loved everybody.
You didn't see race, color,creed, nothing.
(25:10):
It was just expected thateveryone had mutual respect for
everyone.
And so I saw that perspectivewhere everybody just got along
and I thought that was awesomeand I think it's a great place
to be as a kid, honestly.
And then when my dad left theAir Force and retired, he bought
(25:32):
some property back home inAlabama and so I saw the world.
The lens was very, verydifferent than what I was used
to, very different.
I had heard some words that Idid not even I didn't know
existed when I went to publicschool, and I heard some things
(25:52):
that I was like, yeah, I don'tknow what that means, but that's
not okay, and so I guess thepart of that unique perspective
is we moved around a lot.
So I was born in South Carolinaon an Air Force base, lived in
Columbus, mississippi, on an AirForce base and Altus, oklahoma,
on an Air Force base, and thensuddenly I'm off of the Air
Force base and I'm in the realworld and we moved to Texas.
(26:12):
But we're traveling around thiswhole time and we're meeting
people from all over, and youknow, the only way I know how to
explain this is this you get onFacebook.
It made the world really reallysmall, really really fast, and
everybody thinks and this iscoming from a person that's
(26:33):
lived in seven different states.
I've lived in seven differentstates, I've traveled to almost
all of them, and the UnitedStates is just a melting pot of
culture, more so than anywhereelse in the world.
But what I can say is this Ifyou get on Facebook during the
spring months, everyone will sayoh man, your weather isn't like
(26:56):
our weather.
You know, wait five minutes andit'll be like this.
And five minutes later it'll belike this, and five minutes
later it'll be like that.
Literally everyone in theUnited States of America thinks
that their weather is morespecial than the other region's
weather, like nah, Midwestweather is so true.
And it's not even a thing.
It's like, guys, okay, numberone, nobody's weather is as bad
(27:18):
as Canada's.
Theirs is terrible.
Okay, new Hampshire, untilyou've walked around in negative
42 degrees with 60 mile an hourwind hitting you in the face,
you don't know cold weather likethey know it.
So there are places where thatis true, true, so, like everyone
has this, and it's not anentitlement thing or anything
(27:39):
like that.
But everyone thinks, uh, thatthe world is, it's like, their
bubble is, is, is special anddifferent, and in a way, it's
like, yes, it's special and inits own way, but you're also in
a bubble, um, and the rest ofthe world is, is not like that.
(27:59):
Oh, my arm just got reallyreally far.
How do I fix that?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I think my arm's moving.
Is your house moving?
Am I in an RV?
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
so anyway, I forgot what I was saying because my arm
just got 30 feet long, Ithought I was in a bus.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
You're talking about people being in bubbles, like
everybody's in a small yeah,yeah, yeah.
So we all kind of do, and evenI thought I was in a bus.
Again, you're talking aboutpeople being in bubbles.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Everybody's in a small bubble.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we all kind of do and even Ido this to an extent, because I
lived in Amarillo, texas, whereit truly is some of the worst
weather on the planet.
I don't know why anyone livesthere, except for the food is
really really amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
And that's another thing.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Switch to the next subject.
Switch to the next subject.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Switch to the next subject Like no real barbecue is
here.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Real barbecue is there.
I saw that the other day, ohyeah.
So, uh, it kind of led to thiswhole like hey, like everyone
has something special anddifferent and beautiful about
who they are and where they'refrom, um, and I.
What I really love about theway I grew up is that I got to
experience a lot of it.
And, yeah, a lot of my friendsfrom certain parts of the
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country think that there'sthings about where they live
that's so much different andbetter and whatever, I wouldn't
use the word the language better.
I would say it's different andyou should celebrate that
because it's beautiful and we'reall learning this together.
So, anyway, I wouldn't use theword the language better.
I would say it's different andyou should celebrate that
because it's beautiful and we'reall learning this together.
So, anyway, I don't even knowif I answered the question.
My 10-foot arm, totally knockedme off track.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
That threw you.
Well, if this makes you feelbetter, it didn't look that way
to us, so we didn't even notice,so don't worry, we didn't even
notice your arm.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Oh, okay, cool, my janky arm.
It was like over near you, MrsKiller Bee.
I was like what is going?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
on.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
My arm looks like a water slide right now.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, I hate it when that happens.
It's so distracting.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
These are metaverse problems.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yes, metaverse problems?
I don't feel any painafterwards.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I mean, you'd be good you don't have to do any
stretches before you come inhere.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
We're learning.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, you got to learn not to use that smile.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I don't even know how to make it stop.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
It looks like a gerbil chipmunk thing, I don't
even know.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yes, please update the smiling, and the smile is
meta, please meta no I thinkthat was something that we were
touching on about perspectives,like learning that, hey, it's
okay that people have differentperspectives.
If we could get to that mindsetand say, you know what we don't
(30:35):
have to like, it doesn't mean Ihave to accept and adopt the
way you see things.
It's okay for us to havedifferent perspectives, that's
okay, just like what you'retalking about here, about how
it's okay.
It's really a really good thingto get to the place and realize
that it's okay that I don'tknow it all.
Yeah, the whole time I'mreading this, there was a common
theme and just a reminder ifanybody has any questions or
thoughts, just click those Q&Abox right there behind you and
(30:56):
we'll bring you up here.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Don't worry, because if I can't answer you, I've
already told you I don't knoweverything.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
And maybe you want to test his knowledge.
Go right ahead and just andmake sure you hang around the
thing, cause he will beperforming live after the
interview.
Though, there was a commontheme the whole time as I, as I
was reading this, and that themewas humility.
That's what I continued to see.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I, it's humility, that's what I continue to see.
I might have said that weirdhumility, like saying that it's
like, it's okay.
My mom is one of those.
Forgive me for you, no, I'm notgoing to use the boomer word.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
She says humble, and then I'm like there's an h in
that word, mom well, wait aminute because of texas no,
she's, she grew up in alabamabecause you know, maybe she
heard about humble texas, maybethat's what it is Maybe she knew
something I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I thought it was Humble Texas.
Maybe I'm the one that's wrong.
I don't know everything.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
We went to KSPJ radio and it was in Humble, texas.
I get there and they're likethey had to correct me it's
actually pronounced Humble.
I'm like what?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
And you know what we said, joel, we're headed.
We're headed to euston earlytoday.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, they asked for that one, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But yeah, that's, maybe that's why you should ask
her.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
You should ask her I'm gonna go to amarillo after
this.
Actually, that would have beencorrect.
Well, the common theme that Isaw.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
the common theme that I saw was humility, and I see
we have some Q&As coming up, sothat's great.
So we'll bring you guys up herein just a second.
I'm going to ask you how hasembracing the truth that you
don't know everything, how hasembracing that truth impacted
your personal growth or yourprofessional growth as a
musician?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It's okay that when somebody asks you a question, to
say I don't know, like that,and you can just lean in.
You don't have to lean intoanything.
You can just relax and say youknow, because my thing was I had
to know everything.
I loved knowing Kind of likeyou were talking about.
I loved having an answer foreverything.
I loved knowing kind of likeyou were talking about.
(33:02):
I loved having an answer foreverything.
And then when I found that Ididn't have an answer for
everything, especially when itcomes to my faith or when
somebody I'll give you anexample.
I've had people come up to meafter a show in places and tell
me about how their kid hascancer.
I had a woman come up to me andtell me that she'd driven four
(33:22):
hours to come to my show inGreen Bay, wisconsin, and the
month before her son or not herson her husband and two children
were killed in a car crash andcame up to me to thank me for a
song that I had written that hadhelped her get through.
And that's not a go Joel moment, that's more of a like oh man,
(33:47):
this is real.
People listen to my music,they're going through actual
things and I don't know what tosay to this other than I'm going
to pray for you right now, andI did.
It doesn't make me some amazinghuman being, it just means like
I don't know what the answersare in life for things like that
, and I only know what I knowand what I believe.
(34:09):
I believe that God is good andthat he's sovereign and that
there's there's purpose in pain,and we may not see it this side
of heaven, but as a human, I'mjust going to be here with you,
right now.
It's okay that we don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
That's good, okay, joe, I want to ask you another
question here, because this is apart that really that really
got to me.
Here in your post, you wereencouraging others to speak up
and and share you know, sharetheir experiences, even if they
feel out of place.
Has anybody here ever felt outof place Like you, felt like you
wanted to share something, butfor some reason you were just
scared to anybody?
(34:48):
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I seehands coming up.
Yes, uh, I mean, I've beenthere too and you wrote this.
This is exactly what you wrote,just in case you don't remember
.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yep, um, it says um you wrote you wrote.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I don't know everything, but I do know what I
know.
My experience is valid and sois yours.
So what I want to ask you iswhat advice would you give to
others who are struggling or orfeel that are feeling unheard or
dismissed, like what advicewould you give to others?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Man, this is a tough one, cause I do know what I know
.
I have been in situations,usually in the context of being
on staff at a church for mepersonally but I have been in
situations where I've felt, uh,not heard and not not, just not
seen, just not not heard, andalso not validated, uh and.
(35:46):
And that I felt like there's a,there's a pretty big glass
ceiling here in this place, andnot just in a professional way,
but in a.
I remember I had a very toughconversation with a person, a
pastor, who asked me, you know,I had stepped out of ministry on
(36:07):
staff at a church and intofull-time music ministry.
It was my first go at it 10years ago.
I mean, I've been in musicministry for over 20 years but,
like you know, this is my incomenow kind of thing.
And he asked me you know, likewhy didn't you stick around?
You know, why didn't you stayhere?
And I said you know, yourperspective was skewed for me
(36:32):
and I don't think that it canchange, and I'm hoping that it
can change.
And it was probably a littlebit of a pessimistic answer, to
be totally honest at the time,but it was probably true.
I was like, dude, have you everand I'm super into coffee, I
know a lot about coffee, I lovecoffee I was like have you ever
(36:52):
and you have have you ever madea cup of coffee?
You know, you put the filter in, you put the grinds in, you,
you know, pour the water over it.
Whether you have a pour over oryou have a machine, that's how
it works.
You grind the beans or you getground coffee, put it in the
filter and then the water poursover it.
Coffee comes out.
The way that I feel that yousee me is through a coffee
(37:15):
filter me is through a coffeefilter, and once that has
changed, once that goes from aclear, life-giving water and it
turns into brown, life-givingcoffee, the way you see me it
(37:38):
would be very hard to change andI don't know how to do that for
you.
So I had to remove myself fromthis space because I felt like,
until until you could see me theway that I had wanted you to,
that it just my, not my, time.
I guess my time here didn'tmake a whole lot of sense, and
so he was like he respectfullyunderstood when I told him that,
(37:59):
and you know it was one ofthose, like you know, good luck
with life, good luck to you,praying for you, hope all goes
well, kind of thing.
And I would like to say thatthat was a situation where I was
like, all right, we're all good.
But like, what I found was I um, got lost in thought, but like
(38:20):
I, I found that him seeing methat way, uh and and I know I'm
leaving out a lot of facts and alot of context here, so it's
like track with me, but that Ican't change his perspective on
me.
I can give him more information, but that's only going to go so
(38:45):
far as he wants to receive it.
Right, the only thing I can dois work on me place and I'm in a
situation where I feel like I'mnot being heard, where I feel
like I'm not safe, or I feellike I can't go any higher, or
that I feel like God is callingme to do something totally
different, and that space, thatplace, those people are not
(39:08):
allowing you to do it.
You have a body, you are aperson, you are a soul and a
body and you can take yourselfsomewhere else where you can
thrive, and for me that was allright.
Full-time Christian music.
Let's go.
And I would like to say that inthat time that everybody has
(39:32):
looked at me and validated meand thought that Joel's songs
are all amazing and that Joel'scareer is this and that, and
look at all the things that he'sdone.
But not everybody's impressedby Joel and that's okay.
I can lay my head down and go,huh, I didn't get nominated for
(39:52):
a double award this year.
Cool, it's not that I don'tcare, not in a pessimistic way.
It's like I don't tie myself-worth and my value into my
accomplishments anymore.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yes, that's so good.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I've been down that road, and it's not to say that I
don't have the bin to want todo that again, because anytime
I've had some level of success,like anytime I have a radio song
, for instance, it gets run upthe flagpole and then it starts
climbing up the chart.
You know, the danger is tostart going like, oh, it's
moving up to 30 this week, it'sup to 25.
(40:27):
Oh, no, it's dropped down to 32.
Oh man, I'm a terriblesongwriter, I'm a terrible.
This and that's not even true,you know.
Like it's just that that's awhole other thing.
But the the fact of the matteris like, once you start tying in
your self-worth and your valueinto the thing that you do, you
forget that you're a human being, not a human doing.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I remember, you know, when we think about our parents
and our grandparents and howthey get to a point in their
life where they look back andthey say you know, they try to
teach us not to focus so much onchasing work, so much that they
missed out on things that theywish they would have been a part
of about, even on social media,how much we can find ourselves
(41:20):
posting this stuff to try to getvalidation from people around
the world that we don't evenknow they don't care.
They don't care.
Are we getting to the pointwhere, later in life, this
younger generation and even ourgenerations here that are on
social media so much, are wegoing to look back and regret
the time and energy that wespent trying to prove how much
we know or how valid, how valuewe are, how valuable we are to
(41:43):
people that doesn't matteraround the world?
Are we going to look back andregret how much we missed in
life right around us, with thepeople closest to us chasing
those things on social media,those things on social media?
So I think that it's such animportant thing for us to take
away being okay with.
Hey, it's okay if I don't knoweverything.
(42:03):
It's okay if people say youknow what?
Mr Killer Bee, you don't knoweverything.
You're right, that's a goodplace to be in.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I'm not a nuclear physicist.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
What, what?
Mrs Killer Bee tells me all thetime that I'm wrong.
Right, I split atoms all thetime.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
It's my job to keep you humble.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
There it is, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
What is a takeaway you would hope people would
leave here today with that'shere live or people listening to
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I've probably already said it, but you are a human
being, not a human doing.
You don't know everything.
Neither do I, and that's okay,because we have all of our lives
to learn, and that's abeautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yes, amen, amen, and you can take that to the bank
with about anything.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
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