September 4, 2025 • 35 mins
Imagine living with chronic pain, crushing fatigue, and brain fog so severe it disrupts your daily life – yet doctors dismiss your symptoms as "all in your head." For 20 million Americans suffering from fibromyalgia, this frustrating reality has been their normal. Until now.
Dr. Bruce Gillis, a Harvard-trained physician with four decades of clinical experience, shatters widespread misconceptions about fibromyalgia in this revelatory conversation. Through groundbreaking research published in prestigious peer-reviewed journals, Dr. Gillis demonstrates that fibromyalgia isn't a catch-all diagnosis for "neurotic, hypochondriacal women" but a legitimate condition with measurable biological markers.
The scientific evidence is compelling: patients with fibromyalgia possess unique DNA genomic signatures and defective white blood cells (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) that fail to produce essential proteins. This research has led to the development of the Fibro Test – a diagnostic blood test covered by Medicare and most insurance plans – and Imbixx, a natural compound that helps those defective cells increase protein production, often reducing or eliminating symptoms.
Dr. Gillis also reveals surprising connections between fibromyalgia and other conditions. His research shows 86% of long COVID patients test positive for the same markers, suggesting fibromyalgia may be triggered by coronavirus exposure. Similar patterns appear in interstitial cystitis, chronic fatigue syndrome, and irritable bowel syndrome – potentially revolutionizing how we understand and treat these challenging conditions.
With nearly 30% of patients contemplating suicide due to their symptoms being invalidated and ineffectively treated, this conversation offers desperately needed hope.
Whether you're suffering from unexplained symptoms, supporting someone who is, or simply curious about advances in immunology, this episode provides clarity on a widely misunderstood condition and offers pathways toward diagnosis, treatment, and renewed hope. Visit thefibrotest.com and imbxx.com to learn more about testing and treatment options discussed in this episode.
DISCLAIMER: The information is not medical advice and should not be treated as such. Always consult your physician or healthcare professional before pursuing any health-related procedure or activity.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
New, normal Big Life.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Is fibromyalgia just a catch-all diagnosis or is
there more to it?
Today, on New Normal Big Life,dr Bruce Gillis, a
Harvard-trained physician andimmunology pioneer with more
than 40 years of experience,joins us to unravel the
mysteries ofibromyalgia.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
What we have also realized, besides fibromyalgia
and long COVID and interstitialcystitis, having a relationship
to this immune deficiencypattern.
We're also seeing patients withchronic fatigue often testing
positive and patients withirritable bowel syndrome telling
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us that when they're on Imbix,their symptoms also lessen and
or disappear.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
From debunking the myths about this misunderstood
condition to exploring itscauses, diagnosis, challenges
and innovative ways to managesymptoms.
Dr Gillis shares cutting-edgeinsights into fibromyalgia
diagnosis and treatments, solisten to gain clarity on
fibromyalgia and discover hopefor getting your life back.
(01:11):
Hi friends, welcome to the NewNormal Big Life podcast.
We bring you natural news andstories about nature that we
hope will inspire you to getoutside and adventure, along
with a step-by-step plan to helpyou practice what you've
learned and create your own newnormal and live the biggest life
you can dream.
I'm your host, antoinette Lee,the wellness warrior, a pioneer
(01:31):
in the field of immunology andfibromyalgia research, dr Bruce
S Gillis, isa.
Harvard-trained physician andmedical researcher with over
four decades of clinical andscientific experience, including
operating his own medicalpractice.
He holds an MD from theUniversity of Illinois and an
MPH in epidemiology andoccupational medicine from the
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Harvard School of Public Health.
Dr Gillis has served asprofessor at both UCLA and the
University of Illinois Collegeof Medicine, and he's held
leadership roles atgroundbreaking institutions
including epigenetics and, mostrecently, the Center for
Immunology Science.
His work has been at theforefront of identifying the
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biological underpinnings offibromyalgia, challenging
longstanding misconceptions andleading efforts to develop
diagnostic and treatmentprotocols that focus on immune
system deficiencies.
He's collaborated with majorfacilities like Stanford, johns
Hopkins and the University ofVirginia.
(02:37):
As a clinician, physician andscientist, dr Gillis has
dedicated his career to bringingclarity and compassion to often
misunderstood conditions.
Dr Gillis, welcome to New,normal, big Life.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Thank you very much for having me.
I really appreciate theopportunity to speak to you and
your audience.
This is a very importantopportunity because in the
subject we will be addressingtoday, fibromyalgia there are
more myths that are beingbandied about than the reference
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to the facts that peer-reviewedscience has identified.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I'm excited to talk about this because 4 million
Americans, 216 million globally,are diagnosed with fibromyalgia
.
116 million globally arediagnosed with fibromyalgia.
What is fibromyalgia, whatcauses it and why is it more?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
prevalent in women.
First of all, there are about20 million Americans with
fibromyalgia.
It affects 6% of the population.
It is not a gender-specificdisease.
Fibromyalgia, unfortunately,was bandied about and still far
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too many healthcareprofessionals still believe this
as a bogus affliction ofneurotic, hypochondriacal,
hysterical women.
It's been called not a diseasebut a syndrome, and in a
syndrome, it's nothing more thana collection of subjective
complaints.
In reality, we have unequivocal,peer-reviewed published
research that proves whatfibromyalgia is, why it happens
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and how it can be managedFibromyalgia.
Based upon research that weoriginally published in 2012, I
and colleagues at the Universityof Illinois College of Medicine
Department of Pathology wereable to prove that patients with
fibromyalgia suffer with anabnormality in a certain type of
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white blood cell.
This white blood cell is calledthe peripheral blood
mononuclear cell.
This white blood cell is calledthe peripheral blood
mononuclear cell and these cellshave a critical responsibility
to produce very importantproteins in the body.
And people with fibromyalgiahave defective peripheral blood
mononuclear cells and, as aresult, those cells cannot
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manufacture normal quantities ofthese important proteins.
Over research, we have foundthat people who have our blood
test, which is now called thefibro test and you can learn
about it by going towwwthefibrotest and you have to
use the because there's anotherfibro test out there that talks
about liver disease and that'snot us.
A hundred percent of thosepeople who have the test and
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they're positive, we have provenhave unique DNA genomic
signatures.
In other words, if you trulyhave fibromyalgia, you have
specific DNA that no one elsehas.
Healthy people don't have it.
We published these results inone of the world's most
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important medical journalscalled Nature Scientific Reports
.
There are 30,000 medicaljournals in the world.
Nature Scientific Reports ranks, we believe, number five in the
world, so obviously we had toreach very, very high standards
and had to have multipleindividuals review these results
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and say, yes, they are accurate.
So, number one it is a realdisease.
Unless, of course, you don'tbelieve in DNA right and we use
DNA to convict murderers andrapists.
Why shouldn't we accept DNA formurderers and rapists?
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Why shouldn't we accept DNA forfibromyalgia?
As a result, there is no basisfor a doctor or any person that
you encounter in your life tosay that fibromyalgia isn't a
real disease.
Fibromyalgia is unequivocally avery real disease.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So anyone who has currently been diagnosed with
fibromyalgia and they want toensure that this diagnosis is
really what's happening in theirbody, can they request a fibro?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
test, absolutely, absolutely, and, as it turns out
, it's covered by Medicare andmost insurance companies.
So for most people it costszero, zero to get the test.
A diagnosis without the test isnot accurate.
Okay, you need to get the testand you need to know that you
have proof of theseabnormalities.
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That's number one.
Number two I can also tell youthat, with colleagues at the
University of Illinois Collegeof Pharmacy, I was able to
identify a compound that causesthose defective white blood
cells to increase the productionof those proteins and when that
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happens, their symptoms eitherlessen or they vanish.
That compound is called Imbix,i-m-b-x-x, and you can learn
about it by going to imbxxcom.
It is a totally naturalcompound.
As it turns out, I was able todevelop it based upon
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anti-cancer chemotherapyresearch that was done about 20
to 30 years ago, and we wereable to identify a family of
bacteria that are found in soiland water that, when acting with
those defective white bloodcells, cause those white blood
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cells to increase the productionof those proteins.
And when you go to the websiteof Imbix, I recommend that you
watch the videos and read theremarks of people who are on it.
It will change your wholeperspective about fibromyalgia
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and the potential to get better.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Will index be covered by insurance, or is this
something a patient would haveto buy out of?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
pocket they would have to buy.
But it meets the definition ofif you have a federal savings
plan, you can take it out ofthat savings plan that medical
savings plan and it's covered.
And it costs at this thismoment it costs less than three
dollars a day, so for less thanhalf the cost of going to
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Starbucks you can feel better.
It works by targeting systemsin the body which can be
adversely affected by some ofthe drugs and other compounds
people use for fibromyalgia.
Everything that the FDA hasapproved for fibromyalgia does
nothing to impact your DNA orthe peripheral blood mononuclear
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cells or the proteindeficiencies.
They work to mask your symptoms.
One compound is in the family ofgabapentinoids.
That is an anti-seizuremedicine.
Nobody with fibromyalgiasuffers with seizures, okay and
that compound was recentlyidentified to cause heart damage
(10:00):
.
So I would recommend thatpatients discuss this damage.
So I would recommend thatpatients discuss this
Additionally.
On the websites you can haveaccess to all of the
peer-reviewed published studiesthat we have done, and my
collaborations have been withthe University of Illinois and
the Mayo Clinic and the StanfordMedical Center Not exactly
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second-rate places, right.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Exactly, Exactly so.
Is there not a neurologicalcomponent to fibromyalgia at all
?
Or was that just kind ofattached to the findings in
fibromyalgia previously so thatit could be treated in air
quotes with a pharmaceuticallike gabapentin?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So, as it turns out, it seemed to me like there was a
fight among rheumatologists,neurologists and psychiatrists
as to who were the specialistsfor fibromyalgia.
And this is not a rheumatologicdisease, it is not a neurologic
disease, it is not apsychiatric disease.
When we published our resultsin 2012, we won a major national
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award for outstanding researchin clinical immunology.
That's number one.
We still got criticism.
We got criticism fromphysicians who were receiving
hundreds of thousands of dollarsper year from a major drug
company who is manufacturing acompound for fibromyalgia.
Because they saw us.
(11:32):
I think they saw us, and I'm notgoing to put words in anybody's
.
They saw us as finding apathway that their compound
would not have a positive effecton.
So they're selling amulti-billion dollar a year
compound or compounds, and theyI think, uh, they were trying to
protect that those sales.
(11:53):
In fact, one of the doctors whocriticized us called me and
said how dare you propose this?
Okay, and I said well, whatpart of our research article did
you find that you haddifficulty understanding or
agreeing with?
And he said and I'm honest withthis he said to me I never read
your article.
(12:13):
That's shocking.
Yes, and if you went toProPublica, you'd found that
that year alone he made over$200,000, I believe, from this
drug company okay.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So, dr Gillis, you hit on a point that a lot of
patients are saying now, overthe past five years.
How can they trust you, thehealthcare industry, how can
they trust their doctors?
To be objective, how can theytrust the drugs that they're
taking?
Any advice?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Let me tell you I have been attacked and
criticized, all right, about ourscience.
This test has been availablenow for 12 years and in 12 years
, not one one doctor, not onescientist, not one laboratory
has ever been able to identifyand a fault or inaccuracy in our
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blood tests.
No one has been able to proveit.
Trust me, if they could do it,they would have said it.
So instead of attacking themessage, they've attacked me,
the messenger.
That's number one, okay, numbertwo whatever I say, whether it's
in person or on a webcast or onthe internet, I base it upon
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peer-reviewed publications, allright, and as a result, I will
stake my reputation on that.
If I say something that wasn'tpeer-reviewed or published, then
I'm at fault, but to myknowledge, I've never done that.
So that's number one.
Number two I have made it apoint to respond to emails and
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phone calls from fibromyalgiapatients and from doctors
treating fibromyalgia patientsand from doctors treating
fibromyalgia patients, and Ihave done that at zero cost,
okay, I've never charged apatient for me to do that, and
usually those calls average 30to 45 minutes at a time.
You know what other doctors areworking for free for that kind
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of time.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
None that I know of.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So I feel there's an obligation on my part.
Another issue that you broughtup is it is not female centric.
It's only thought to be becausewomen tend to complain more of
these symptoms, but I can tellyou that we see this disease in
children and we see it in men,all right.
So it affects everyone.
(14:37):
And something that I recentlypublished is the following, and
this is why I have a suspicionas to how fibromyalgia may be
triggered we did research onpatients with long COVID.
If you go to do a literaturesearch and the best place is
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called the National Library ofMedicine and you put in
fibromyalgia and COVID or longCOVID, you will find numerous
articles where patients withlong COVID the vast majority, if
not all have symptoms that areidentical to fibromyalgia, have
symptoms that are identical tofibromyalgia.
So, as a result, we did a smallstudy of patients with long
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COVID through the University ofIllinois College of Medicine and
we tested them to see if theyhave the same markers as
patients with fibromyalgia.
86% did.
86% did.
So that tells me.
That tells me that fibromyalgiamay be triggered by a
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coronavirus.
Covid is a coronavirus.
There are seven humancoronaviruses.
They're the most common causeof the common cold, and so I
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have a suspicion not able yet toprove it, but I have a
suspicion that you get a coldfrom a coronavirus and it causes
your DNA to change.
That process is calledepigenetics, because your DNA is
always changing.
I'll give you an analogy as achild or as a teenager, you go
out in the sun, you want to geta great suntan and you get a
sunburn, and then 20, 30, 40years later you get skin cancer.
Why is it?
The uv rays of the sun arecausing cancer because they
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trigger a change in the dna ofthe skin cells and that's how it
happens.
That's called epigenetics.
So much of the dna you havetoday, should you be in your 30s
, 40s, 50s or whatever, is alittle different than what it
was when you were growing up asa youth.
So that's my suspicion andthat's why I believe there is so
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much fibromyalgia.
And, as it turns out, theconnection we see with long
COVID is not the only connectionwe've done In research.
We are about to publish that wedid with the Stanford Medical
Center and a urology group outof Virginia.
There is a disease, againthought primarily only in women,
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called interstitial cystitis orpainful bladder syndrome.
That affects about 10 to 12million Americans, and we are
seeing that nearly 7 out of 10of those also have the same
positive markers of fibromyalgia.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Just for the listeners out there who may not
have been diagnosed withfibromyalgia but are concerned
that they could have it.
What are the symptoms offibromyalgia?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Okay.
The primary symptoms are brainfog, fatigue, lack of energy,
poor sleep, headaches, mentaldepression, chronic anxiety.
They can have themanifestations of painful
bladder syndrome, where theyhave to urinate very often, have
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a lot of pelvic area pain.
These are people who quicklybecome disabled because they
have such terrible symptoms.
And one of the worst parts ofthis disease is the level of
suicidal ideation and suicide.
Nearly 30% of people withfibromyalgia contemplate suicide
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or commit suicide.
And why is that?
I'll tell you.
The patient looks perfectlyhealthy.
They go to the doctor and thedoctor throws up his or her hand
, says I don't know what it is,I'm going to put this label of
fibromyalgia on you.
I can't explain why you have itor how it works, but you've got
it.
So, number one, you're labeledwith a disease with no expertise
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being attached to it.
That's number one.
Number two you say to thedoctor okay, what can you do for
me about it?
And the doctor says well, I cangive you these masking
compounds which are highlyaddicting, like the
gabapentinoids you spoke about.
Or we can give you narcoticsand opiates, but the symptoms
persist and those compounds,those drugs, do nothing about
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the brain fog.
They may mask the pain, they donothing, usually for the sleep
or the depression or the anxiety.
And so you're now saying look,the doctor can't confirm what's
wrong with me.
The doctor can't cure me.
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And, number three, my friendsand family look at me like it's
all in my head.
So why wouldn't you getdepressed?
Why wouldn't you get depressed?
Why wouldn't you commit suicide?
Because you say there's nothingthat I can do.
That's going to make me better,that's going to help me, that's
going to turn my life around.
We, on the other hand, have donethe research to tell you this
is what we've been able to prove.
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Okay, this is what we've beenable to show, this is what we
can offer you in an effort toaddress the symptoms.
Because, as I said, we can'tchange your DNA.
So we do not have a compoundthat can cure you.
Okay, we do not have a compoundthat diagnoses you, but we have
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a blood test that can diagnoseyou.
All right.
So those things do exist.
All you have to be willing todo is to say I'm willing to try,
All right, I'm willing todiscuss this and, as I just said
, if I had something to hide, Iwouldn't make myself available
to any fibromyalgia patients.
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Doctor, One of the criticismswe also got, just to let let you
know was well, you developed itonly in one laboratory, the
University of Illinois Collegeof Medicine Department of
Pathology, Not exactly asecond-rate facility, but in
2013, we had one of the world'smost important rheumatologists,
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Professor Daniel Wallace of UCLA, do an analysis of our test and
he did it through UCLA and aseparate laboratory and we
proved that the markers, thebiomarkers that we identified
for fibromyalgia don't occur inother rheumatic diseases and we
compared it to rheumatoidarthritis and systemic lupus
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erythematosus.
And we compared it to rheumatoidarthritis and systemic lupus
erythematosus.
So we proved the accuracy ofthe test by an independent
researcher and an independent orseparate laboratory.
So we've met all the criticismthat we've received, but it
doesn't mean that the criticismhas stopped.
Okay, Because I think and maybeI'm wrong, I think that it's
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because of financial factors.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
After this short break, we'll be back with more
jaw-dropping insights from DrGillis.
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(22:44):
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Use my affiliate link in the show description what we
have also realized, besidesfibromyalgia and long COVID and
interstitial cystitis having arelationship to this immune
deficiency pattern, we're alsoseeing patients with chronic
fatigue often testing positive,and patients with irritable
(25:49):
bowel syndrome telling us thatwhen they're on Imbix, their
symptoms also lessen and ordisappear.
All of this tells me that thebody's immune system plays a
vital role in a number ofchronic illnesses, and so I
invite people with those otherkinds of conditions to consider
getting tested, and if they haveany questions or their doctors
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have any questions, again, asI've told you, they can contact
me personally.
Their doctor can contact mepersonally.
There's zero cost to doing so.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Thank you so much, and if you don't have an
insurance plan that will coverthe tests and Imbix, there is a
payment plan that you can use,that you can pay over 18 months.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
It's zero interest.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
There you have it, so take advantage of this if
you're having any.
If you've been diagnosed withany of these conditions or you
have unexplained healthchallenges and you want to know
if it's fibromyalgia, get thetest.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Something you should also know.
Physicians often tell patientswell, we're going to do lots of
tests to find out what's wrongwith you.
Those are called rule-out tests.
So we're going to rule out thatyou don't have rheumatoid
arthritis, that you don't havelupus.
Our test is a rule-in test.
It rules in do you have thedisease?
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Rule-out tests doctors canoften do in their own offices.
Our test, based upon FDArequirements, can only be done
through our laboratory.
Okay, I'm saying that not tomake money, but because that's
the FDA rules.
Our test is called an LDTlaboratory developed test and,
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as a result, it can only be donein the laboratory where it's
been developed.
So there's no financialincentive for a doctor to offer
our test because A they can'tbill for it and by FDA rules, we
can't even pay them to draw theblood.
So you have that.
And also, if you have thedefinitive diagnosis of
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fibromyalgia based upon the test, you don't have to keep going
back to the doctor every four tosix weeks.
You now know what's wrong withyou, right?
So again, there's anotherfinancial disincentive, and I'm
not saying that doctors do thison purpose, but I'm just talking
about.
You raised the issue about thebusiness of medicine.
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I just talked to you about thebusiness of medicine, okay.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
That makes perfect sense, as you were speaking
about the symptoms of medicine.
Okay, that makes perfect sense.
As you were speaking about thesymptoms of fibromyalgia, as a
veteran, one of the thoughtsthat crossed my mind is those
are also a lot of symptoms ofpost-traumatic stress.
I know that it's often calledpost-traumatic stress disorder,
but a lot of veterans don't likebeing labeled with a disorder.
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So what are your thoughts aboutthat?
Because when you mentioned thesuicide rate around, or suicide
ideation around, fibromyalgia,it made me think about the
suicide rate among veterans,about the chronic pain, anxiety,
depression, lack of sleep, andI wonder if there's any
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correlation and if you've doneany research with a veteran
population.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
No, unfortunately I have not done that.
I'd be happy to do it Now.
Many veterans have, as Iunderstand, tricare.
Tricare pays for our test.
So if TRICARE pays for our test, that veteran, if they have it,
there's no out-of-pocketexpense is there.
We'll take the TRICARE paymentand you have the answer.
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I should also let you know thatif you get the test and it's
positive, we will provide youwith a 30-day supply of Imbix to
try.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Wow, that's pretty incredible.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
So, in other words, we believe that we may have
something that can lessen yoursymptoms.
Okay, because our compoundboosts immune system health.
That's all it does.
It boosts immune system health.
We are not.
It does it boosts immune systemhealth.
We are not here to cure anybody.
Okay, we don't call it atreatment for fibromyalgia
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because, as I just said, I can'ttreat the DNA basis of this
right, but we're willing.
There's a saying put your moneywhere your mouth is.
Well, we're doing that.
Okay, I should also let youknow.
And this is Well, we're doingthat.
Okay, I should also let youknow and this is very important.
We have had people who havebeen diagnosed with fibromyalgia
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with our blood test, have takenImbix and have then contacted
us and said we would like to beretested.
And so far, to my knowledge,everybody who's been on Imbix
who had a positive test score,when they are retested, their
score goes down and in somepeople the test becomes negative
.
It's no longer positive.
(30:56):
So that's the benefit of whatwe can do.
Okay, and through this all, wehave followed FDA requirements
and rules, both about the testand about Imbix.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Dr Gillis, this has been an eye-opening discussion
To make your services a littleeasier for veterans to access.
For those that don't haveTRICARE, there is something
called care in the community orcommunity care, and some not.
Every VA facility operatesidentically, so some at some VAs
(31:34):
you do have the option.
Well, at all VAs you have theoption of getting care in the
community under certaincircumstances.
You have to wait 30 days ormore for an appointment with a
VA care provider or there's nospecialist in your area.
There are a number ofconditions.
However, if you were to become acommunity care provider within
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the VA system, then the VA couldpay for both the test and Imbex
for the veteran patient.
So that's just something toconsider to make it easier for
veterans to access your serviceand you could essentially have
an appointment with a veteranusing Zoom or some other kind.
(32:19):
I think you might have to havea more secure system, but there
are.
I can't think of the word rightnow telehealth you can become a
telehealth provider for the VAand they can see you under
community care.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
If that's something you think I could accomplish, I
promise you that I will lookinto it as soon as possible.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I hope that you will pursue it.
I think this might provide alot of answers for some veterans
and others who are sufferingwith chronic pain and other
related symptoms that you'vementioned.
Fibromyalgia could be the cause.
Thank you so much for your time.
Is there anything else you wantlisteners to know?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I want them to realize that this is a diagnosis
.
It's a diagnosis we can achieveaccurately and there's
something that we can do aboutthis.
There is no reason to lose hope.
There is no reason to thinkthat you have been abandoned by
health care providers.
Been abandoned by health careproviders.
(33:30):
The information is out therethat if you have any questions,
you can contact us directly.
As I said, even though I'm themessenger and I've been attacked
as being the messenger, no oneto date has ever refuted any of
our peer-reviewed publications.
No one has ever found fault inour peer-reviewed publications
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and if you believe in DNA, youknow the basis of our science.
So, as I said earlier, if DNAcan be used against criminals,
why can't it be used to tell youwhy you are sick, how you got
sick and what can be done aboutyour illness?
Pure and simple.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Thank you so much, Dr Gillis.
Listeners, I will put all ofthe links and all the reference
Dr Gillis gave us in the showdescription.
Please check it out and talkwith your healthcare provider.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Thank you so very much.
Have a very good day today andthank you for letting me talk to
these individuals.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
You're welcome.
It's been my pleasure.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Is fibromyalgia just a catch-all diagnosis or is
there more to it?
Today, on New Normal Big Life,dr Bruce Gillis, a
Harvard-trained physician andimmunology pioneer with more
than 40 years of experience,joins us to unravel the
mysteries ofibromyalgia.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
What we have also realized, besides fibromyalgia
and long COVID and interstitialcystitis, having a relationship
to this immune deficiencypattern.
We're also seeing patients withchronic fatigue often testing
positive and patients withirritable bowel syndrome telling
(00:44):
us that when they're on Imbix,their symptoms also lessen and
or disappear.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
From debunking the myths about this misunderstood
condition to exploring itscauses, diagnosis, challenges
and innovative ways to managesymptoms.
Dr Gillis shares cutting-edgeinsights into fibromyalgia
diagnosis and treatments, solisten to gain clarity on
fibromyalgia and discover hopefor getting your life back.
(01:11):
Hi friends, welcome to the NewNormal Big Life podcast.
We bring you natural news andstories about nature that we
hope will inspire you to getoutside and adventure, along
with a step-by-step plan to helpyou practice what you've
learned and create your own newnormal and live the biggest life
you can dream.
I'm your host, antoinette Lee,the wellness warrior, a pioneer
(01:31):
in the field of immunology andfibromyalgia research, dr Bruce
S Gillis, isa.
Harvard-trained physician andmedical researcher with over
four decades of clinical andscientific experience, including
operating his own medicalpractice.
He holds an MD from theUniversity of Illinois and an
MPH in epidemiology andoccupational medicine from the
(01:55):
Harvard School of Public Health.
Dr Gillis has served asprofessor at both UCLA and the
University of Illinois Collegeof Medicine, and he's held
leadership roles atgroundbreaking institutions
including epigenetics and, mostrecently, the Center for
Immunology Science.
His work has been at theforefront of identifying the
(02:17):
biological underpinnings offibromyalgia, challenging
longstanding misconceptions andleading efforts to develop
diagnostic and treatmentprotocols that focus on immune
system deficiencies.
He's collaborated with majorfacilities like Stanford, johns
Hopkins and the University ofVirginia.
(02:37):
As a clinician, physician andscientist, dr Gillis has
dedicated his career to bringingclarity and compassion to often
misunderstood conditions.
Dr Gillis, welcome to New,normal, big Life.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Thank you very much for having me.
I really appreciate theopportunity to speak to you and
your audience.
This is a very importantopportunity because in the
subject we will be addressingtoday, fibromyalgia there are
more myths that are beingbandied about than the reference
(03:12):
to the facts that peer-reviewedscience has identified.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I'm excited to talk about this because 4 million
Americans, 216 million globally,are diagnosed with fibromyalgia
.
116 million globally arediagnosed with fibromyalgia.
What is fibromyalgia, whatcauses it and why is it more?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
prevalent in women.
First of all, there are about20 million Americans with
fibromyalgia.
It affects 6% of the population.
It is not a gender-specificdisease.
Fibromyalgia, unfortunately,was bandied about and still far
(03:50):
too many healthcareprofessionals still believe this
as a bogus affliction ofneurotic, hypochondriacal,
hysterical women.
It's been called not a diseasebut a syndrome, and in a
syndrome, it's nothing more thana collection of subjective
complaints.
In reality, we have unequivocal,peer-reviewed published
research that proves whatfibromyalgia is, why it happens
(04:14):
and how it can be managedFibromyalgia.
Based upon research that weoriginally published in 2012, I
and colleagues at the Universityof Illinois College of Medicine
Department of Pathology wereable to prove that patients with
fibromyalgia suffer with anabnormality in a certain type of
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white blood cell.
This white blood cell is calledthe peripheral blood
mononuclear cell.
This white blood cell is calledthe peripheral blood
mononuclear cell and these cellshave a critical responsibility
to produce very importantproteins in the body.
And people with fibromyalgiahave defective peripheral blood
mononuclear cells and, as aresult, those cells cannot
(05:03):
manufacture normal quantities ofthese important proteins.
Over research, we have foundthat people who have our blood
test, which is now called thefibro test and you can learn
about it by going towwwthefibrotest and you have to
use the because there's anotherfibro test out there that talks
about liver disease and that'snot us.
A hundred percent of thosepeople who have the test and
(05:24):
they're positive, we have provenhave unique DNA genomic
signatures.
In other words, if you trulyhave fibromyalgia, you have
specific DNA that no one elsehas.
Healthy people don't have it.
We published these results inone of the world's most
(05:45):
important medical journalscalled Nature Scientific Reports
.
There are 30,000 medicaljournals in the world.
Nature Scientific Reports ranks, we believe, number five in the
world, so obviously we had toreach very, very high standards
and had to have multipleindividuals review these results
(06:07):
and say, yes, they are accurate.
So, number one it is a realdisease.
Unless, of course, you don'tbelieve in DNA right and we use
DNA to convict murderers andrapists.
Why shouldn't we accept DNA formurderers and rapists?
(06:28):
Why shouldn't we accept DNA forfibromyalgia?
As a result, there is no basisfor a doctor or any person that
you encounter in your life tosay that fibromyalgia isn't a
real disease.
Fibromyalgia is unequivocally avery real disease.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So anyone who has currently been diagnosed with
fibromyalgia and they want toensure that this diagnosis is
really what's happening in theirbody, can they request a fibro?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
test, absolutely, absolutely, and, as it turns out
, it's covered by Medicare andmost insurance companies.
So for most people it costszero, zero to get the test.
A diagnosis without the test isnot accurate.
Okay, you need to get the testand you need to know that you
have proof of theseabnormalities.
(07:15):
That's number one.
Number two I can also tell youthat, with colleagues at the
University of Illinois Collegeof Pharmacy, I was able to
identify a compound that causesthose defective white blood
cells to increase the productionof those proteins and when that
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happens, their symptoms eitherlessen or they vanish.
That compound is called Imbix,i-m-b-x-x, and you can learn
about it by going to imbxxcom.
It is a totally naturalcompound.
As it turns out, I was able todevelop it based upon
(07:57):
anti-cancer chemotherapyresearch that was done about 20
to 30 years ago, and we wereable to identify a family of
bacteria that are found in soiland water that, when acting with
those defective white bloodcells, cause those white blood
(08:19):
cells to increase the productionof those proteins.
And when you go to the websiteof Imbix, I recommend that you
watch the videos and read theremarks of people who are on it.
It will change your wholeperspective about fibromyalgia
(08:41):
and the potential to get better.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Will index be covered by insurance, or is this
something a patient would haveto buy out of?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
pocket they would have to buy.
But it meets the definition ofif you have a federal savings
plan, you can take it out ofthat savings plan that medical
savings plan and it's covered.
And it costs at this thismoment it costs less than three
dollars a day, so for less thanhalf the cost of going to
(09:10):
Starbucks you can feel better.
It works by targeting systemsin the body which can be
adversely affected by some ofthe drugs and other compounds
people use for fibromyalgia.
Everything that the FDA hasapproved for fibromyalgia does
nothing to impact your DNA orthe peripheral blood mononuclear
(09:37):
cells or the proteindeficiencies.
They work to mask your symptoms.
One compound is in the family ofgabapentinoids.
That is an anti-seizuremedicine.
Nobody with fibromyalgiasuffers with seizures, okay and
that compound was recentlyidentified to cause heart damage
(10:00):
.
So I would recommend thatpatients discuss this damage.
So I would recommend thatpatients discuss this
Additionally.
On the websites you can haveaccess to all of the
peer-reviewed published studiesthat we have done, and my
collaborations have been withthe University of Illinois and
the Mayo Clinic and the StanfordMedical Center Not exactly
(10:21):
second-rate places, right.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Exactly, Exactly so.
Is there not a neurologicalcomponent to fibromyalgia at all
?
Or was that just kind ofattached to the findings in
fibromyalgia previously so thatit could be treated in air
quotes with a pharmaceuticallike gabapentin?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So, as it turns out, it seemed to me like there was a
fight among rheumatologists,neurologists and psychiatrists
as to who were the specialistsfor fibromyalgia.
And this is not a rheumatologicdisease, it is not a neurologic
disease, it is not apsychiatric disease.
When we published our resultsin 2012, we won a major national
(11:10):
award for outstanding researchin clinical immunology.
That's number one.
We still got criticism.
We got criticism fromphysicians who were receiving
hundreds of thousands of dollarsper year from a major drug
company who is manufacturing acompound for fibromyalgia.
Because they saw us.
(11:32):
I think they saw us, and I'm notgoing to put words in anybody's
.
They saw us as finding apathway that their compound
would not have a positive effecton.
So they're selling amulti-billion dollar a year
compound or compounds, and theyI think, uh, they were trying to
protect that those sales.
(11:53):
In fact, one of the doctors whocriticized us called me and
said how dare you propose this?
Okay, and I said well, whatpart of our research article did
you find that you haddifficulty understanding or
agreeing with?
And he said and I'm honest withthis he said to me I never read
your article.
(12:13):
That's shocking.
Yes, and if you went toProPublica, you'd found that
that year alone he made over$200,000, I believe, from this
drug company okay.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So, dr Gillis, you hit on a point that a lot of
patients are saying now, overthe past five years.
How can they trust you, thehealthcare industry, how can
they trust their doctors?
To be objective, how can theytrust the drugs that they're
taking?
Any advice?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Let me tell you I have been attacked and
criticized, all right, about ourscience.
This test has been availablenow for 12 years and in 12 years
, not one one doctor, not onescientist, not one laboratory
has ever been able to identifyand a fault or inaccuracy in our
(13:03):
blood tests.
No one has been able to proveit.
Trust me, if they could do it,they would have said it.
So instead of attacking themessage, they've attacked me,
the messenger.
That's number one, okay, numbertwo whatever I say, whether it's
in person or on a webcast or onthe internet, I base it upon
(13:27):
peer-reviewed publications, allright, and as a result, I will
stake my reputation on that.
If I say something that wasn'tpeer-reviewed or published, then
I'm at fault, but to myknowledge, I've never done that.
So that's number one.
Number two I have made it apoint to respond to emails and
(13:53):
phone calls from fibromyalgiapatients and from doctors
treating fibromyalgia patientsand from doctors treating
fibromyalgia patients, and Ihave done that at zero cost,
okay, I've never charged apatient for me to do that, and
usually those calls average 30to 45 minutes at a time.
You know what other doctors areworking for free for that kind
(14:14):
of time.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
None that I know of.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So I feel there's an obligation on my part.
Another issue that you broughtup is it is not female centric.
It's only thought to be becausewomen tend to complain more of
these symptoms, but I can tellyou that we see this disease in
children and we see it in men,all right.
So it affects everyone.
(14:37):
And something that I recentlypublished is the following, and
this is why I have a suspicionas to how fibromyalgia may be
triggered we did research onpatients with long COVID.
If you go to do a literaturesearch and the best place is
(14:58):
called the National Library ofMedicine and you put in
fibromyalgia and COVID or longCOVID, you will find numerous
articles where patients withlong COVID the vast majority, if
not all have symptoms that areidentical to fibromyalgia, have
symptoms that are identical tofibromyalgia.
So, as a result, we did a smallstudy of patients with long
(15:22):
COVID through the University ofIllinois College of Medicine and
we tested them to see if theyhave the same markers as
patients with fibromyalgia.
86% did.
86% did.
So that tells me.
That tells me that fibromyalgiamay be triggered by a
(15:43):
coronavirus.
Covid is a coronavirus.
There are seven humancoronaviruses.
They're the most common causeof the common cold, and so I
(16:03):
have a suspicion not able yet toprove it, but I have a
suspicion that you get a coldfrom a coronavirus and it causes
your DNA to change.
That process is calledepigenetics, because your DNA is
always changing.
I'll give you an analogy as achild or as a teenager, you go
out in the sun, you want to geta great suntan and you get a
sunburn, and then 20, 30, 40years later you get skin cancer.
Why is it?
The uv rays of the sun arecausing cancer because they
(16:27):
trigger a change in the dna ofthe skin cells and that's how it
happens.
That's called epigenetics.
So much of the dna you havetoday, should you be in your 30s
, 40s, 50s or whatever, is alittle different than what it
was when you were growing up asa youth.
So that's my suspicion andthat's why I believe there is so
(16:50):
much fibromyalgia.
And, as it turns out, theconnection we see with long
COVID is not the only connectionwe've done In research.
We are about to publish that wedid with the Stanford Medical
Center and a urology group outof Virginia.
There is a disease, againthought primarily only in women,
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called interstitial cystitis orpainful bladder syndrome.
That affects about 10 to 12million Americans, and we are
seeing that nearly 7 out of 10of those also have the same
positive markers of fibromyalgia.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Just for the listeners out there who may not
have been diagnosed withfibromyalgia but are concerned
that they could have it.
What are the symptoms offibromyalgia?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Okay.
The primary symptoms are brainfog, fatigue, lack of energy,
poor sleep, headaches, mentaldepression, chronic anxiety.
They can have themanifestations of painful
bladder syndrome, where theyhave to urinate very often, have
(18:02):
a lot of pelvic area pain.
These are people who quicklybecome disabled because they
have such terrible symptoms.
And one of the worst parts ofthis disease is the level of
suicidal ideation and suicide.
Nearly 30% of people withfibromyalgia contemplate suicide
(18:24):
or commit suicide.
And why is that?
I'll tell you.
The patient looks perfectlyhealthy.
They go to the doctor and thedoctor throws up his or her hand
, says I don't know what it is,I'm going to put this label of
fibromyalgia on you.
I can't explain why you have itor how it works, but you've got
it.
So, number one, you're labeledwith a disease with no expertise
(18:46):
being attached to it.
That's number one.
Number two you say to thedoctor okay, what can you do for
me about it?
And the doctor says well, I cangive you these masking
compounds which are highlyaddicting, like the
gabapentinoids you spoke about.
Or we can give you narcoticsand opiates, but the symptoms
persist and those compounds,those drugs, do nothing about
(19:08):
the brain fog.
They may mask the pain, they donothing, usually for the sleep
or the depression or the anxiety.
And so you're now saying look,the doctor can't confirm what's
wrong with me.
The doctor can't cure me.
(19:29):
And, number three, my friendsand family look at me like it's
all in my head.
So why wouldn't you getdepressed?
Why wouldn't you get depressed?
Why wouldn't you commit suicide?
Because you say there's nothingthat I can do.
That's going to make me better,that's going to help me, that's
going to turn my life around.
We, on the other hand, have donethe research to tell you this
is what we've been able to prove.
(19:51):
Okay, this is what we've beenable to show, this is what we
can offer you in an effort toaddress the symptoms.
Because, as I said, we can'tchange your DNA.
So we do not have a compoundthat can cure you.
Okay, we do not have a compoundthat diagnoses you, but we have
(20:11):
a blood test that can diagnoseyou.
All right.
So those things do exist.
All you have to be willing todo is to say I'm willing to try,
All right, I'm willing todiscuss this and, as I just said
, if I had something to hide, Iwouldn't make myself available
to any fibromyalgia patients.
(20:32):
Doctor, One of the criticismswe also got, just to let let you
know was well, you developed itonly in one laboratory, the
University of Illinois Collegeof Medicine Department of
Pathology, Not exactly asecond-rate facility, but in
2013, we had one of the world'smost important rheumatologists,
(20:54):
Professor Daniel Wallace of UCLA, do an analysis of our test and
he did it through UCLA and aseparate laboratory and we
proved that the markers, thebiomarkers that we identified
for fibromyalgia don't occur inother rheumatic diseases and we
compared it to rheumatoidarthritis and systemic lupus
(21:14):
erythematosus.
And we compared it to rheumatoidarthritis and systemic lupus
erythematosus.
So we proved the accuracy ofthe test by an independent
researcher and an independent orseparate laboratory.
So we've met all the criticismthat we've received, but it
doesn't mean that the criticismhas stopped.
Okay, Because I think and maybeI'm wrong, I think that it's
(21:38):
because of financial factors.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
After this short break, we'll be back with more
jaw-dropping insights from DrGillis.
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Use my affiliate link in the show description what we
have also realized, besidesfibromyalgia and long COVID and
interstitial cystitis having arelationship to this immune
deficiency pattern, we're alsoseeing patients with chronic
fatigue often testing positive,and patients with irritable
(25:49):
bowel syndrome telling us thatwhen they're on Imbix, their
symptoms also lessen and ordisappear.
All of this tells me that thebody's immune system plays a
vital role in a number ofchronic illnesses, and so I
invite people with those otherkinds of conditions to consider
getting tested, and if they haveany questions or their doctors
(26:12):
have any questions, again, asI've told you, they can contact
me personally.
Their doctor can contact mepersonally.
There's zero cost to doing so.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Thank you so much, and if you don't have an
insurance plan that will coverthe tests and Imbix, there is a
payment plan that you can use,that you can pay over 18 months.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
It's zero interest.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
There you have it, so take advantage of this if
you're having any.
If you've been diagnosed withany of these conditions or you
have unexplained healthchallenges and you want to know
if it's fibromyalgia, get thetest.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Something you should also know.
Physicians often tell patientswell, we're going to do lots of
tests to find out what's wrongwith you.
Those are called rule-out tests.
So we're going to rule out thatyou don't have rheumatoid
arthritis, that you don't havelupus.
Our test is a rule-in test.
It rules in do you have thedisease?
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Rule-out tests doctors canoften do in their own offices.
Our test, based upon FDArequirements, can only be done
through our laboratory.
Okay, I'm saying that not tomake money, but because that's
the FDA rules.
Our test is called an LDTlaboratory developed test and,
(27:34):
as a result, it can only be donein the laboratory where it's
been developed.
So there's no financialincentive for a doctor to offer
our test because A they can'tbill for it and by FDA rules, we
can't even pay them to draw theblood.
So you have that.
And also, if you have thedefinitive diagnosis of
(27:58):
fibromyalgia based upon the test, you don't have to keep going
back to the doctor every four tosix weeks.
You now know what's wrong withyou, right?
So again, there's anotherfinancial disincentive, and I'm
not saying that doctors do thison purpose, but I'm just talking
about.
You raised the issue about thebusiness of medicine.
(28:19):
I just talked to you about thebusiness of medicine, okay.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
That makes perfect sense, as you were speaking
about the symptoms of medicine.
Okay, that makes perfect sense.
As you were speaking about thesymptoms of fibromyalgia, as a
veteran, one of the thoughtsthat crossed my mind is those
are also a lot of symptoms ofpost-traumatic stress.
I know that it's often calledpost-traumatic stress disorder,
but a lot of veterans don't likebeing labeled with a disorder.
(28:45):
So what are your thoughts aboutthat?
Because when you mentioned thesuicide rate around, or suicide
ideation around, fibromyalgia,it made me think about the
suicide rate among veterans,about the chronic pain, anxiety,
depression, lack of sleep, andI wonder if there's any
(29:10):
correlation and if you've doneany research with a veteran
population.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
No, unfortunately I have not done that.
I'd be happy to do it Now.
Many veterans have, as Iunderstand, tricare.
Tricare pays for our test.
So if TRICARE pays for our test, that veteran, if they have it,
there's no out-of-pocketexpense is there.
We'll take the TRICARE paymentand you have the answer.
(29:38):
I should also let you know thatif you get the test and it's
positive, we will provide youwith a 30-day supply of Imbix to
try.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Wow, that's pretty incredible.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
So, in other words, we believe that we may have
something that can lessen yoursymptoms.
Okay, because our compoundboosts immune system health.
That's all it does.
It boosts immune system health.
We are not.
It does it boosts immune systemhealth.
We are not here to cure anybody.
Okay, we don't call it atreatment for fibromyalgia
(30:11):
because, as I just said, I can'ttreat the DNA basis of this
right, but we're willing.
There's a saying put your moneywhere your mouth is.
Well, we're doing that.
Okay, I should also let youknow.
And this is Well, we're doingthat.
Okay, I should also let youknow and this is very important.
We have had people who havebeen diagnosed with fibromyalgia
(30:36):
with our blood test, have takenImbix and have then contacted
us and said we would like to beretested.
And so far, to my knowledge,everybody who's been on Imbix
who had a positive test score,when they are retested, their
score goes down and in somepeople the test becomes negative
.
It's no longer positive.
(30:56):
So that's the benefit of whatwe can do.
Okay, and through this all, wehave followed FDA requirements
and rules, both about the testand about Imbix.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Dr Gillis, this has been an eye-opening discussion
To make your services a littleeasier for veterans to access.
For those that don't haveTRICARE, there is something
called care in the community orcommunity care, and some not.
Every VA facility operatesidentically, so some at some VAs
(31:34):
you do have the option.
Well, at all VAs you have theoption of getting care in the
community under certaincircumstances.
You have to wait 30 days ormore for an appointment with a
VA care provider or there's nospecialist in your area.
There are a number ofconditions.
However, if you were to become acommunity care provider within
(31:57):
the VA system, then the VA couldpay for both the test and Imbex
for the veteran patient.
So that's just something toconsider to make it easier for
veterans to access your serviceand you could essentially have
an appointment with a veteranusing Zoom or some other kind.
(32:19):
I think you might have to havea more secure system, but there
are.
I can't think of the word rightnow telehealth you can become a
telehealth provider for the VAand they can see you under
community care.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
If that's something you think I could accomplish, I
promise you that I will lookinto it as soon as possible.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I hope that you will pursue it.
I think this might provide alot of answers for some veterans
and others who are sufferingwith chronic pain and other
related symptoms that you'vementioned.
Fibromyalgia could be the cause.
Thank you so much for your time.
Is there anything else you wantlisteners to know?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I want them to realize that this is a diagnosis
.
It's a diagnosis we can achieveaccurately and there's
something that we can do aboutthis.
There is no reason to lose hope.
There is no reason to thinkthat you have been abandoned by
health care providers.
Been abandoned by health careproviders.
(33:30):
The information is out therethat if you have any questions,
you can contact us directly.
As I said, even though I'm themessenger and I've been attacked
as being the messenger, no oneto date has ever refuted any of
our peer-reviewed publications.
No one has ever found fault inour peer-reviewed publications
(33:51):
and if you believe in DNA, youknow the basis of our science.
So, as I said earlier, if DNAcan be used against criminals,
why can't it be used to tell youwhy you are sick, how you got
sick and what can be done aboutyour illness?
Pure and simple.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Thank you so much, Dr Gillis.
Listeners, I will put all ofthe links and all the reference
Dr Gillis gave us in the showdescription.
Please check it out and talkwith your healthcare provider.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Thank you so very much.
Have a very good day today andthank you for letting me talk to
these individuals.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
You're welcome.
It's been my pleasure.
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