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June 24, 2025 52 mins

In this powerful and enlightening episode of Next Steps Forward, Dr. Chris Meek welcomes psychiatrist and author Dr. Steve Lesk, a 40-year veteran of the mental health field and author of Footprints of Schizophrenia: The Evolutionary Roots of Mental Illness. With decades of experience treating patients and mentoring professionals, Dr. Lesk brings a groundbreaking perspective to one of the most misunderstood mental illnesses: schizophrenia.

Dr. Lesk explores his pioneering “primitive organization” theory, which draws from evolutionary biology, neurochemistry, and psychology to offer a new understanding of schizophrenia - not as a broken system, but as a reflection of ancient brain structures. He tackles some of the biggest myths surrounding the illness, addresses the stigma and misconceptions, and offers compelling arguments for empathy, early intervention, and a shift in how psychiatry approaches diagnosis and treatment. Whether you're a healthcare professional, a caregiver, or someone curious about the human mind, this episode offers critical takeaways and a hopeful vision for the future of mental health care.

About Dr. Steven Lesk: Dr. Steven Lesk is the author of Footprints of Schizophrenia: The Evolutionary Roots of Mental Illness. He became a practicing, board-certified psychiatrist in 1984 and he’s treated thousands of adult patients as he has conducted research, written articles, and mentored students. He served as Chairman of the Department of Inpatient Psychiatric Services at the Brooklyn Veterans Administration Hospital and was an assistant professor at the hospital’s affiliated medical school. He is pioneering new theories in hopes of improving our understanding of the illnesses that patients endure and reducing stigma while surging empathy.

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