Episode 187: Disingenuous Media! We Expose The Manipulation Behind Immigration Headlines

🔥 In This Episode:

🚨 Immigration Debate Heats Up Again

• Immigration is once again front and center—and so is the media’s attempt to manipulate public opinion.
• A Wisconsin judge was arrested after trying to help an illegal immigrant accused of domestic violence evade ICE.
• Mark and Krysty break down how the media’s reaction will leave you speechless—defending the indefensible.

📊 The Poll Designed to Mislead

• Right after the Wisconsin judge story broke, the media rolled out a poll showing Trump supposedly strugglingon immigration and other issues.
• But Mark takes you inside the poll—and reveals how the questions were crafted to create a narrative, not to measure real American sentiment.
• Krysty argues that despite the media’s best efforts, this strategy failed in 2024 and it will fail again.

👮 More Gang Member Busts—And More Media Defenses

• Another major bust of violent gang members has been reported—but don’t expect the mainstream media to tell the truth.
• Just like they defended the “Maryland Man” (now sitting in a prison in El Salvador), they’ll spin this too.
• We expose the pattern—and explain why voters see through it.

🐾 We End with a Husky You’ll Love!

• After all the heavy political talk, you deserve a smile—and we deliver.
• Watch a precious Siberian Husky who absolutely loves bath time. It’s guaranteed to make your day!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Three everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
You and I are told increasingly we have to choose
between a left or right.
Well, I'd like to suggest thereis no such thing as a left or
right.
There's only an up or down.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
This is the no Doubt About it.
Podcast.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
No doubt about it.
No doubt about it.

Speaker 5 (00:25):
Now your hosts, christy and Mark.
Runcate Wildfire, you can'tcatch us now.
Running, running, running.
Yeah, I'll get over, hello.

Speaker 6 (00:37):
Hello.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
You giving me the tip of the cap.

Speaker 6 (00:40):
I am, I'm giving you the tip of the cap, sir.
This is, I have to say, justgetting right into this.
Yeah, this is gonna be aninfuriating show.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Okay, great I don't know.
That's what we're here to do.
We're here to get your bloodboiling on a happy sunday.
You're welcome, everybody.

Speaker 6 (00:54):
It's it's valuable to know some of what's happening
here, and and we will share someof that not it really won't be
infuriating, but but this isstuff you are going to want to
know, and I think, as we weregoing through the show and
putting it together, I think youjust realize a real trend of
something we talked about a longtime ago here and we've been
trumpeting this message, andthat is that the immigration

(01:16):
message was going to be WorldWar III between the Trump
administration and conservativesand a good portion of the
country a majority of thecountry, I would argue that say
OK, we could not continue theway we were going, and then an
opposition that, basically, isnow doing some very interesting
things.

(01:36):
I didn't think they'd stand upfor some of the people they're
standing up for, but they'remaking this argument on due
process, on everything, and whatyou'll see is there's just some
real disingenuousness to a lotof what's happening here, and so
it's important to talk about.
We're going to go through it indepth.
It's going to be what we'regoing to do right off the top,
after we do a couple of quickthings, but it's something
you're going to want to seebecause, again, this issue is

(01:58):
one that is going to swalloweverything up.
I know tariffs have done thatinitially.
I think that's kind of startingto settle itself out.
We'll see what happens on that.
That's a huge concern for theTrump administration.
They don't figure it out.
They're in real trouble right.
You don't get the economyfigured out, you don't know.
So we're going to go through abunch of these things.
We're going to go throughpolling that initially you'd
look at some polling like, oh mygosh, this is terrible news.
And then you dig into thepolling and and again, I'm one

(02:20):
of those people who believespolling can be really valuable,
but not if it's phony.
Right, there's two types ofpolling.
There's polling where you wanta result, and so you go and you
poll that way because you wantto get a result.
Or there's polling because youwant to get information right,
and I've been part of both.
Right, I've been part ofpolling where you want
information.
You just want to know where thevoters are.

(02:40):
Or you want the voters to comeup with something so that you
can go trumpet it.
Yeah, and that's what'shappening right now.
So we'll get into all that.
It's interesting stuff, but Ithink you're going to get.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
I can already tell you're going to be very fiery
today, and for very good reasonI tend to get fiery, especially
when, uh, I feel like the mediaaren't doing a great job at
trying to just keep things fairand balanced, which is what I
think that we need to be seeing.
Wait, the media is things fairand balanced, which is what I
think that we need to be seeing.

Speaker 6 (03:04):
Wait, the media is not fair and balanced.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
No, in general.
No, they're not.
Okay, they're not.
So this hints the reason westarted this whole show.
So, yes, we will get right tothat.
But we have to talk about somefun things really fast before,
because our daughter celebratedher final prom, her senior prom
last night.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
This is it.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Huh, this was it wrapping it up look, there's you
and her getting, I guess, ready.
I'm not sure I was getting theprom venue situated correct.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
Yeah, and so I was.
Um.
Well, I did nothing.
Really, you really didn't.

Speaker 7 (03:33):
Ella helped me put my shoes on ella's friend helped
attach my nails, they helped meput my dress on and then I
walked downstairs and he waslike, are you ready?
And I was like yep.
And then no, he gave you acorsage that immediately broke.
He did.
The corsage did fall apartinstantaneously, but that's okay
.
It was a really fun dance.
The theme was Japanese gardenparty.
Yeah, you can see the umbrellaswe hung up upside down.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I just thought that's such a pretty dress on you, abe
and you.
This is you and your friendBrody.
Just, you guys do like thisgrand entrance style, kind of
pridejudice style, that theschool does.
I love watching we all the momsthat go and help put this whole
thing together.
We love that there is a teacherthere Her name is Mrs Sowers
and she actually teaches allthese kids dances that look very
similar to Pride and Prejudiceand then the kids do all these

(04:16):
big group numbers and it getsthem all engaged, all on the
dance floor, which at our promthat wasn't really the case.
No, and I love that.
This school you don't go with adate necessarily.
You go and have fun and you goand do the dancing and then we
feed them a fun meal and we evendo really fun.

Speaker 7 (04:31):
Every year.
I feel like the themes getbetter.
They're always really good.
And then the next year we havemore material to use and and and
a better theme, and it alwaysends up working out well.
And the funny thing is that youlike you can't leave.
She did make an announcementbefore.
She's like guys, you do notneed to leave to go to the
bathroom or get food in themiddle of the dance.
You stay here because you haveto dance.

(04:51):
Yeah, there's dance cards.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
So she'll say pull out your dance card and every
after every dance the guys arepulling up this like note card
and it says who they have todance the next number with and
then they it's part of the dealthat they go over and they have
to ask the girl to dance andthen they have to thank the
dance, thank them for afterwards.
There was a lot of parents thatdid show up and the women and
they dance with their sons forfinal senior dance.
And it was just.
I mean, I have to say, if I didget a little teary eyed in

(05:15):
moments and I'd love being apart of the prom committee and
now I'll do it for Ella now forthe next two years, but it was
kind of a bittersweet last nightfor Ava.

Speaker 6 (05:23):
Oh yeah, you know, and it is weird, I have
definitely over the past coupleof weeks it's kind of hit me
that Ava's going to school inAugust and that is not going to
be the easiest thing in theworld.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
And she's also going to leave us for a month before
then to go to.

Speaker 7 (05:37):
Africa, africa for a mission trip, yeah, so she's
leaving like right aftergraduation, so we're not cool
Ava.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
We're excited for you .

Speaker 7 (05:44):
What are you guys going to do without your
producer?
Have you seen Dad produce?
It's rough, it's rough.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I'm not sure Ellen's too busy for us.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
We'll trick Ellen into doing it.
We'll see what happens, ava.
Congratulations.
Way to get through that,believe me.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
You looked beautiful last night, Abe.

Speaker 6 (05:59):
This summer will.
Summer will go by too quickly,so I can't start getting the
clamped on this right now.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Please don't start crying right now.
Cause.

Speaker 6 (06:04):
I literally.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I literally broke down last night at prom and had
to try to keep it.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
try to hold it together through the rest of the
show.
Okay, All right.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Don't worry, it's spicy enough, so we will have no
problem doing that.
Okay, our first comment.
I just wanted to say this one Iregards to the bet that me and
Mark made about the mayor's race, and I said well, I said that I
believe that our governor willcome out and publicly throw her

(06:32):
arms around a certain particularindividual.
You said that she will not dothat publicly, that she will not
endorse.
She will not endorse.
I think she will.
She's not Okay.
I think she will, michelle, andI know you don't watch this,
but don't endorse.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
You know this.
She's not a rookie, she's notOkay.
I think she will, michelle, andI know you don't watch this,
but don't endorse.
You know this.
She's not a rookie, she's notgoing to Michelle.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Michelle, I need you to endorse because I have a bet
with Mark and so that's reallyimportant to me, and Michelle
does care what we think.

Speaker 6 (06:53):
I mean she's a big fan.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
She's a huge fan of the Ron Kenney's don't don't you
think Especially me.
She loves me too.
Uh but don't worry about that,because here's the deal.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Debra has a great idea, cause remember you said
well what do I win?

Speaker 5 (07:04):
And I said what do I win?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
You know when I win this, Debra came up with a
solution for us.
She said when Christie is rightabout the mayor's race, mark
should get her a new chair.
Duck tape free new chair.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
I you know what.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I like it.
I like it too.
It's done.
You got a deal, so you'resaying I'm going to have my duct
tape chair forever, aren't you?
Yes?

Speaker 6 (07:23):
I'm not even worried about it.
Yeah, so sounds good, debra,we'll do that.
It's not going to happen, allright.
Number two I love this email.
Actually I thought it wasreally interesting, or comment,
I think it was on YouTube and Ialways love comments.

(07:50):
That where we kind of eitherdisagree, you know normal but
but suzanne really saidsomething interesting.
She said I disagree aboutcampaign signs and billboards,
but there needs to be acatchphrase.
No one sees tv ads anymoresince streaming services and
social media.
No one knew mark as anythingbut the weather man and I
couldn't get anyone to watchdebates where you showed you
know your chit, uh in your face.
Ads signs spark curiosity,force people to do more research
If they vote on policy and notcareer politicians.
I think a really interestingpoint right now.
I disagree with Suzanne andlarge measure on this stuff for

(08:13):
a couple of reasons, but I but Ilove the thought process on
this because she's absolutelyright on debates, the debate
numbers you just everybodythinks, oh my gosh, elections
turn on debates.
No, they don't trust me.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Not enough people.

Speaker 6 (08:26):
Yeah, right, no, no, no, that's right, that's right.
Unless something catastrophichappens in the debate.
It's not even people seeing thedebate, it's them seeing a
little clip after.
So if you're an incumbent oryou're somebody who, who thinks
they're in good position in thestate of New Mexico which in
most cases, if you're a Democratin the state of New Mexico, you
got a 15 point registrationadvantage.
You know that unless you dosomething really bad.

(08:47):
You know now those things havehappened.
People have screwed up.
You mentioned Biden.
Someone by the name of PatriciaMadrid at one point, during a
debate against Heather Wilson ina congressional race, froze up,
which was too bad.
It's always.
I never liked seeing peoplehave those situations where they
kind of just have a like RickPerry when he just melted down.
Right, when you melt down,things can change in a debate.
But, Suzanne, you're rightabout that, I totally agree with

(09:08):
you.
Not enough people saw ourgubernatorial debate or our
Senate debates.
They went very well for us, butit doesn't matter, right?
So either way, whatever, Itotally agree with you on that.
Now, the reason I disagree onsigns is because in most cases,
signs do nothing other than sayyour name.
Okay, Really, that's really allthey do, and I agree with you
on.
You'd love to have some sloganthat makes it interesting, but

(09:28):
this is not.
You know, politics isn'tmarketing and there are people
that get into marketing andthink you can start to market
things like you do in, likeyou're.
You're selling peanut butter,right?
No?

Speaker 1 (09:37):
like the Sam Bregman ad, political ad basically is
very market, very slickmarketing, kind of with the
cowboy.

Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yeah, I guess I mean yeah, that's more like Halloween
, but yeah so.
But my point is in all this isthat that in a situation like
that, billboards don't reallysend a message of any kind.
They don't work.
Campaign signs don't work.
Like I couldn't have putsomething on a campaign sign,
you know, whatever it would be,they don't work.
Now, Now TV ads.
She mentions streaming.

(10:04):
Well, this is what you don'tknow.
You can now buy streaming.
You can buy Hulu, you buy allthese things.
It's called OTT.
You can, you can get right intopeople's homes with it, and
that's what we do.
You do that too.
So you do the normal TV ads,and in New Mexico, TV ads still
work.
They do.
They still move people.
And then going over the top andgetting into people's homes
through streaming apps like Hulu, that happens too.

(10:25):
So all that stuff happens.
Digital ads happen.
They all happen.
Right, they all work together.
But by and large, I love whereSuzanne was coming from with
this.
I think it made a lot of sense.
We don't agree on all of it andI can tell you through fact
science, I could never havebought.
I remember going through theprimaries.
We didn't even buy a singlesign and you would see signs
from our opponents all over theplace and we'd get calls like

(10:45):
you guys are going to lose, youguys are going to lose.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
And then you know you'd look at it and be like, no
, we're not, and, honestly, as aspouse watching all this and
somebody who has a marketingbackground, right, so I had 21
years of marketing and I'mpushing signs, I'm pushing
bumper stickers, I'm ready to go.
And you know the team, whichwas tiny and we were very frugal
with any money that came inbecause we needed to save it for
message to get message pointsout.

(11:08):
Um, and I was very like, comeon, we need some signs.
We got to get science going, um, and then that's the whole
famous fight with me and JayMcCleskey is signs don't win
elections.
This is his argument.
Um, I do think that it helpswith getting people to know that
you're in the race.
I do agree that with with hercomment on it does.

(11:31):
And I kind of think that thebillboards can work to some
degree.
They can help you.
You can't lean on them.
The problem is and a lot ofpeople don't know this
billboards are really expensivefor what you get.
So you, you, you have to becareful with your money and
where you place your money, andso there's a lot of strategy
behind it.
We won't bore you with all thedetails on that, but it is.
Where do you hit the points themost?
And really I know this is justI have to say it, because Jay
really did help educate me onthis too is that you're hoping

(11:51):
to get your point across to avoter at least seven times, and
it takes a long time to get tothat seven times.
So, whether you meet them withdigital ad, if you meet them on
a social media platform, if youmeet them with a print ad, if
you meet them with a mailer,those kind of things, but so
it's just kind of interesting.

Speaker 6 (12:06):
Right, but I would argue, then you're not getting a
point across with a sign andyou're not getting a point
across with a billboard.
You're not.
You're saying a name, that's it.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
I'm saying in this day and age.
And I was very big on streaming.
Remember, I pushed us to do adson streaming because is where
the younger voter is now.
This is where the, this iswhere a lot of thank you I know
it's incredible the stuff youwere bringing up.

Speaker 6 (12:25):
It was unreal, okay, I love it, I get it I understand
.
No, no, you're digit like Iagree you, you definitely push
for digital and and that'sabsolutely.
You're absolutely right on that.
I would just say that the signstuff is it doesn't work.
So okay.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well, I might agree a little bit with a person that
wrote in no, I think suzanne dida good job.

Speaker 6 (12:42):
Thanks very much.
I'm a little bit on team,suzanne, as well, no, I
understand, and she's absolutelyright on debates.
I mean, unless something,unless something goes super off
the rails, right, like you showup and you don't know how to
speak about the issues at all,then you're done Like debates
will finish you.
They finished Biden.
Right, we saw it.
You're absolutely right on that.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
But as a debate coach and somebody who used to be
debate.
I'm telling you, you crusheddebate.
You did great and I do.
I wish more people had beenable to see it.
I think we did a good jobgetting the clips out and stuff,
but still, like it's still, oneof my favorite moments in your
campaign history is because thatis where people should want to
see where the candidates standon the issues they got to tune

(13:19):
in though.
And they do have to tune in andI think it was really.
You showed very clearly thedifferences between you and
Michelle on that platform and itwas day and night and same with
the Senate race.
But again, you know, does itmove the needle?
All right, Talk about movingthe needle.
Are the media ever going tomove their needle to actually
start telling us any sort oftruth?
Have they not learned?

Speaker 6 (13:41):
Well, so let's get into this.
It is an ugly media situationout there right now and this is
one of those things.
And again we talked about thefact that I thought and you
thought and we had said on thisshow we talked to Jay about it,
we talked to Mike Garofalo aboutthis that the biggest issue in
the first, you know probablyyear of the Trump administration
would be immigration would be,because it was going to blow up.
And what happened was tariffsblew up first, and now they're

(14:02):
kind of trying to repositiontariffs right and then now
immigration is blowing back upagain.
So if you start looking atheadlines across the country,
you're starting to see someamazing stuff here and what
you're seeing is the media onceagain pairing up with their
partners on the left and tryingto force a narrative.
So NBC News starts to push outthis headline.

(14:23):
Over the past couple of days,two-year-old US citizen
apparently deported Apparently,by the way, apparently.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
They don't know, but okay, apparently I'm waiting for
allegedly to come up next yeahexactly With no meaningful
process.

Speaker 6 (14:37):
Judge says, okay, that's one of them.
Ap comes out with another oneand here's their headline.
It says ICE ice supportsimmigrant mother of an infant
and three children who are uscitizens.
Lawyers say, okay, this is justlike what did the lawyers say,
well, let's just put it outthere then.
Right, okay, I'm going to readyou the first paragraph of this
AP story and what it's going toshow you is something

(14:59):
interesting.
So you have and as parents andas many of you watching, as
parents, if you had come to thiscountry illegally, okay, and
you're like, hey, I'm like, Iwant a better life, I'm coming
all the the in the best possiblescenario, right, and you get
here and you have kids, and thenit turns out you have to abide
by the law and go back to your,your country of origin.

(15:19):
Would you say to the kids, kids, you stay here, I'm moving on,
I'm going to leave mythree-year-old kid?
Of course not.
You take your child with you,you know?
I mean, that's how that goes,or at least you're given the
option which these families havebeen given, the option.
So just listen to this Now.
Whatever option you choose,whether the child stays or goes,

(15:40):
trump bad, trump bad, no matterwhat.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, no matter what happens.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
Trump bad if family stays together.
Trump bad if family isseparated.
Yeah, right, okay.
So here we go.
Harrisburg, pennsylvania,immigration and Customs
Enforcement officers have inrecent days deported a
Cuban-born mother of aone-year-old girl, separating
them indefinitely.
Now, of course the girl couldgo right back to Cuba and be
with her mom.
Yeah, definitely.
Now, of course the girl couldcould go right back to Cuba and

(16:06):
be with her mom.
However they choose to workthat out, maybe the dad stay.
I just don't know.
Ok, you don't know in thesesituations because they don't
give you enough detail.
Now the back half of thesentence and three children ages
two, four and seven, who are UScitizens, along with their
Honduran born mothers.
Lawyers say on Saturday,meaning the children two, four
and seven stayed with theirmothers and they got deported.
Ok, so they stay with mom andget deported.

(16:28):
Trump bad, yeah, they separateand mom goes back, but child
gets to stay as an American.
Trump bad, yeah, right, I mean.
So it's also.
You're like oh, wait a minute,what's going on here and how is
this even happening?
Albuquerque Journal on Sundaylet's keep it all going.
Here we go.
Ice Deports mother ofone-year-old girl.
Same story we're talking about,right, here we go and the same

(16:57):
story.
So what in the world ishappening here?
So Marco Rubio gets on todaywith Meet the Press and Kristen
Welker, and he lays it out justperfectly as he starts to push
back.
And again, this whole firstsegment is about a media
narrative trying to either bringpeople back into this country
who have committed violentcrimes, which is crazy, or give
people the benefit of the doubtthat are trying to help break

(17:17):
the law, which is amazing.
But here is Rubio.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Like on the headline.
That's a misleading headline.
Ok, three US citizens ages four, seven and two were not
deported.
Their mothers, who are legallyin this country, were deported.
The children went with theirmothers.
Those children are US citizens.
They can come back into theUnited States if there's their
father or someone here who wantsto assume them.

(17:42):
But ultimately, who wasdeported was their mother, their
mothers, who were hereillegally.
The children just went withtheir mothers.
But it wasn't like you guysmake it sound like ICE agents
kicked down the door and grabbedthe two year old and threw him
on an airplane.
That's misleading.
That's just not true.
Just to be clear, because I dowant to get to the overhaul at
the State Department Is it theUS policy to deport children,
even US citizens with theirfamilies and I hear what you're

(18:04):
saying without due process?
Just to be very clear there.
Well, no, no, no, no, no Again,if someone's in this country
unlawfully, illegally, thatperson gets deported.
If that person is with atwo-year-old child or has a
two-year-old child, and says Iwant to take my child with you
with me, well then what?
You have two choices.
You can say yes, of course, youcan take your child, whether
they're a citizen or not,because it's your child.

(18:25):
Or you can say, yes, you can go, but your child must stay
behind, and then your headlineswould read US holding hostage
two year old, four year old,seven year old, while mother
deported.
So the mother, the parents,make that choice.
I imagine those three US citizenchildren have fathers here in
the United States.
They can stay with their father.
That's up to their family todecide where the children go.
Children go with their parents.

(18:47):
Parents decide where theirchildren go.
The US deported their mothers,who were illegally in America.

Speaker 6 (18:52):
OK, brilliant stuff.
Heads you win tails or headsyou lose tails, I win Right.
No matter what you choose.
Here come the bad headlines.
It doesn't matter and we talkedabout this forever that this
was going to be the mainfighting.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Well, and at least I mean, what was great about that
interview, honestly, was MarcoRubio actually answered her
question in the first statementthat he said that it's like she
wasn't paying attention.
And she asks him again and he'slike no, I just clarified this.
I'll clarify it again for you,though, if you want me to.
So we are not deportingtwo-year-olds Like.
That's not the job of the like.
There, there is no trial forthem.

Speaker 6 (19:27):
Well, there's no due process in that.
It's the parent's decision,right?
It isn't like the judge sayswell, you're going to stay here.
It's not your call, judge, it'smom's call and it's dad's call.
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, so it's not.
It's not get the bleedinghearts of Americans all fired up
on the on the left side.

Speaker 6 (19:44):
Well, yeah, and so I want to go.
We're going to jump now, I'mgoing to, I'm going to get the
next story, but I'm going tojump one story and go to this
one.
We're going to go to clip 15.
Okay, because it gets worse.
Okay, you've got these storiesout there and remember what we,
of course and we'll touch backon the Maryland man as well this
is this MS-13 guy that has beenshipped out to El Salvador.

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So we're going to go to clip 15, and I want to go to this story
out of Wisconsin.
Okay, and this is the judge.
It's Judge Hannah Dugan.
Okay, there, she is right there.
Okay, if you have not heardthis story, you won't believe it
when we share it.
It's absolutely crazy.
So she is a judge that had anillegal immigrant in front of

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her for a hearing and eventuallysupposed to be a trial.
This is him, right here in allhis glory.
This is Eduardo Flores Ruiz.
Okay, here's what he's accusedof.
He apparently was.
He's accused of being in anapartment with a roommate, his
girlfriend and someone else.
He gets in a fight with theroommate, hits him 30 times with

(20:46):
a closed fist, beats the heckout of him.
Okay, then he decides that he'sgoing to beat up his girlfriend
too and the other person inthere.
So he's going in front of thejudge, say you know what's, you
know?
So the victims are in thecourtroom.
This guy in the courtroomfacing charges in front of let's
go back in front of the judge.
This is our judge right here,judge Dugan.

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Okay, so all of a sudden, judgeDugan sees that there are ICE
agents in the courtroom or justoutside the courtroom, because
this guy's here illegally.
So guess what?
You get shipped out facingcharges of a violent crime.
It's going to be shipped out.
Well, judge Dugan decides oh no, he's not going anywhere.

(21:30):
I'm going to try to help him.
That's not her job, not her jobat all.
So I want you to listen to whathappened.
As she sees everything playingout here, the judge goes berserk
and it's going to end uplanding her in jail for years
for what she did.
Ok, so Pam Bondi Talked aboutexactly what this judge did, and

(21:55):
just listen to this.
If you have not heard this, Idon't think you're going to be
able to imagine a sitting judgedoing this.
But here goes.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
So rare for victims to want to cooperate.
They wanted to cooperate.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
They were sitting in the courtroom with the state
prosecutor.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
The judge learns that ICE was outside to get the guy
because he had been deported in2013,.
Came back in our country,commits these crimes.
Charged with committing thesecrimes, victims in court.
Judge finds out.
She goes out in the hallway,screams at the immigration
officers she's furious, visiblyshaken upset.
Sends them off to talk to thechief judge.

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She comes back in the courtroomYou're not going to believe
this.
Takes the defendant and thedefense attorney back in her
chambers, takes them out ofprivate exit and tells them to
leave, while a state prosecutorand victims of domestic violence
are sitting in the courtroom.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
Wow, unreal.
I mean you want to talk about athreat to our judicial system.
It is this judge.
I mean there is also hisdefendant.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
defending attorney.
Yes, she belongs in jail too.
I mean, there is no explanationfor this.
Also his defending attorney.

Speaker 6 (23:01):
Yes, she belongs in jail too.
I mean, that person is going tobe in jail too.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
She should have said we can't do this, judge, we
cannot escape out of yourcourtroom into a back entrance
and not face the penalty of hiscrime and then have to go see
ICE right after right, right, no, but don't worry, cnn is there
to back it up.
Back up this judge.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
So how do you back up the judge right?
So how do you do it?

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Trump bad Judge good.

Speaker 6 (23:23):
Well, right, right, or what it is.
So when you don't have the highground, what do you argue on?
You argue on process.
You say, oh, no, the process,okay.
So Andrew McCabe, who's a CNNcommentator, who was with the
FBI, got blown out of there inless than glorious circumstances
.
So let's listen to what he says.
But even he admits at the verybeginning this judge is toast.

(23:46):
She's going to jail.

Speaker 9 (23:49):
You know it's not an unreasonable complaint.
There's plenty of evidence inthe complaint to get you beyond
the probable cause phase, whichis where we are right now.
And I think when you startlooking at how the judge was
treated after the events thatled to the charge so where and
when and how she was arrestedand the fact that she was
arrested at the courthouserather than her own residence,

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the fact that she was placed ina jail cell for hours before her
arraignment was called in thecourt later in the afternoon
these things are unprecedented.
Typically upstanding members ofthe community who have no
criminal history and aren'taccused of a violent act are
allowed to self-surrender at thetime of their arraignment.
The fact that they did notoffer that courtesy to her and

(24:33):
instead went out of their way totreat her harshly, I believe is
an act of performative crueltyon behalf of the Department of
Justice, which is not the wayany Department of Justice should
be acting.

Speaker 6 (24:44):
Okay.
What's unprecedented, mr McCabe, is not that she was marched
out.
That happens all the time inour legal system.
We watch it every day withdefendants all the time.
What's unprecedented is a judgetrying to sneak someone out of
her quarters to make sure thatthey don't have to answer for
the crimes they've committed.
That's unprecedented, dude, notwhat you're talking about.

(25:08):
I mean this is ludicrous.
I mean he's exactly wrong.
This is the exact kind of thingwe should have.
When you have a judge whodecides they're above the law,
they should be publicly marchedout there when they do something
like this.
This is ridiculous.
The rest of us would face theseexact same things, not some
special treatment.
Let's keep it.
Let's keep the judge.
Let's treat her with a specialkid gloves because she's such an

(25:31):
upstanding member of thecommunity.
Oh really, what upstandingmember of the community says hi
criminal who's been accused ofbeating up your girlfriend,
let's sneak out here so you canget away from law enforcement.
Accused of beating up yourgirlfriend, let's sneak out here
so you can get away from lawenforcement.
We don't have a.
We do not have a judicialsystem if that's the way our
judges act.
What a clown comment from him.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
It's ridiculous, yeah , and just even though the poor
girl had to sit in a jail cellwhile she's waiting to be
arraigned.
Really, I feel like that'sprobably what happens?

Speaker 6 (25:57):
Yeah, you get used to the jail cell.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
How about you don't commit a crime as a judge?
How about you do your job andthen you don't put your life?

Speaker 6 (26:03):
on.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
You know it's unbelievable, that defense so,
um senator klobuchar, she hadher comments about this right
because we're going to comedefense now for this judge here
we go here, we go there.

Speaker 6 (26:11):
It is, it's good, and again.
So do we argue on the merits ordo we argue on process, with
her oh it's again.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
It's going to be more process this, this is not
normal, she said.

Speaker 6 (26:20):
You're right.
She's right on that.
Her first line is right.
This is not normal.
You're right.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Judge the administration's arrest of a
sitting judge in Wisconsin is adrastic move that threatens the
rule of law.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
Again one it does threaten the rule of law because
of what the judge is doing, notbecause she's being arrested.
Okay, next one.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
While we don't have.
This is a grave step andundermines our system of checks
and balances.
Yeah, checks and balances.
We have a judge who's supposedto be holding criminals
accountable in her courtroom,but no, let me just let you get
out of jail for free over here.
Come over this way.
It's mind-boggling.
We should have put a littleimage from the Monopoly game up
there for everybody.
All I know, Okay now we haveSenator Tina Smith, also from

(26:56):
Minnesota.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
They're electing them in Minnesota.
It's got some good stuff.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
We have Minnesota Debbie up there.
I mean, I don't know what she'sgoing to say about all this.

Speaker 6 (27:04):
I don't know she voted for Tina Smith.
I know she didn't vote for TinaSmith I can say that
wholeheartedly.
Um, hers is worse, by the way.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah, she says, also condemned Dugan's arrest,
stating if FBI director cashdon't like a judge, they think
they can arrest them.
This is stunning.
We must stand up to thisblatant power grab Republicans.
How is this not a red line foryou?

Speaker 6 (27:27):
I don't know, if you lack basic intelligence, I'm
thinking maybe she should nothave the facts of the case.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, Like you know, she heard a judge got arrested
for standing up for an illegaland she got arrested.
Like that, like you get just apoor, a little tiny portion of
the story and you don't have thefull story, and then you go out
on X and you make a fool out ofyourself.

Speaker 6 (27:47):
You know what.
You're right on that, but ifyou're a sitting US senator and
your staff doesn't give you theproper information, everyone
those people in my Senate officewould be fired.
Yeah, I'd be like how could youlet me walk out there and stick
my head in a wood chipper andlook like an idiot?
When you go defend somebody whodoes something that is
absolutely unprecedented.
It's just not ICE doing it,it's not Trump doing it, it's

(28:09):
not Patel doing it, it's notBondi doing it.
It is a judge who decided no,no, no, no, I'm going to do this
my way, and she doesn't.
And, by the way, when she wentand yelled at the ICE officers,
she told them to go see thisother judge so that they would
leave and she could sneak themout.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
That's how bad that was.
It's so plodding.
You know who's happy about this?
It is Judge Joel Cano from NewMexico.

Speaker 6 (28:29):
It probably is, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Because it's taking a little heat off of him and his
arrest here in New Mexico lastweek, with him and his wife
being arrested for basicallytrying to destroy evidence to
protect the Venezuelan gangs.
Destroy evidence to protect theVenezuelan gangs.
We all have heard the story bynow.
It has made national news.
It is a local judge here in NewMexico that basically was
housing a member of MS-13 in hishouse.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
How could we march the judge out with his wife in
handcuffs?
Why would we ever do that?
Why?
Because they are helping outTren Duragua, and so that's why
he's being marched out.
That's how it works in America,if you do these things, and and
so again, if this is wrong,will he have recourse?
He'll have some recourse,there's no question.
But over the most, for the mostpart here, this is the kind of

(29:10):
stuff.
Now this story has not beenjumped on as much you can see.
They everybody's kind of backedoff.
The media has backed off thisone a little bit, but but still,
this all still fits into theseexamples.
Either they don't cover himvery much, which is what
happened with the Kano story,but with the Wisconsin story
again, how could you go afterthis judge?
How could you do that?
How could you arrest her thisway?

(29:31):
It absolutely is horrendous,and again and again.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Let's not forget the whole, the whole point of this.
The reason that they're makingher an example is like hey,
don't pull this again.
You keep pulling this.
We will be doing, we will makesure that everybody knows that
we're going to arrest you, andit's going to be a public arrest
and like guess what?
Just because you're a judge ora cop or a lawyer or whatever,
you're not above the law.
And I think that that is theclear sign that we need to be
giving people.
So you have to, you're notagainst.

(30:06):
You're not against, you're notabove the law.
Yeah, I think that's the no,and they want to make the case.

Speaker 6 (30:08):
They're like well, the case against her is strong,
but she is above the law, rightexactly.
It's like okay, okay.
And then you're, and again themedia, she continues to churn,
right, so the new york timesthey have a fresh headline yes,
this is here 20 years later,deported back to a home he
barely knew.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
So this is, uh I'm gonna mess up this guy's name
Nassitimo Blair.
Yeah, he's from Jamaica.
Yep, he was basically the story, the subject of the story on
New York Times, and they said,oh, he's going to be shipped out
of the country.
Well, he was convicted in 2006here in the US of kidnapping,
right?
Okay.
So he went to jail for thekidnapping charge for 15 years,

(30:42):
right, right.
And now he's being deported,right.
So we don't want to talk aboutthe victims of who he kidnapped
or his crime.
We don't want to focus on thatat all.
We just want to focus on thesob story of this guy that's
been here for 21 years and nowhe's being deported, right, and
they don't seem to want you tounderstand that for the last 15
years, the reason he hasn't beendeported yet is because he's
been spending time in prison forkidnapping.

Speaker 6 (31:04):
Now, and then he goes out and says and the New York
Times basically says he's turnedhis whole life around,
da-da-da-da-da.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Oh, sob stories, yeah , okay, okay and again.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
There's nothing wrong with that.
I hope he does.
I hope he does.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
But we still have to follow the rule of law.
This land and I think it's likeyou're a good person you should
get to stay.
That's just not how it works.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
And, believe me, there are plenty of cases where
people have turned around theirlives and they have been able to
stay.
He's not one of them.
That's the way it goes.
But remember, we've livedthrough four years of, you know,
just letting anybody in,criminal or not, and doing
nothing.
Why?
Because you think it does yousome sort of political favor.
And so now you enforce this lawagain and you end up with this
battle.
Okay.
And again this gets back to themaryland man, the guy who's a

(31:44):
member of ms-13.
Right, most likely, there's noquestion.
He's been charged by his ownwife with physical abuse.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Okay he's still in el salvador and correct, I mean,
and it's not like it's just likeit's unknown about his
immigration situation.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
He met with an immigration he had a deportation
order in 2019.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
And they said that they have plenty of evidence
about the fact that he was anactive gang member, so by the
way, more came out on that hewas stopped with eight people in
a car.

Speaker 6 (32:11):
They all had his registered address on there, I
mean again in his wife, veryclearly, you know gave
statements to police about hisrampant abuse.
So, please, you're not dealingwith a choir boy here, but
you're still getting the defenseon CNN.
And so Scott Jennings, you know, just dismantles this broader
theme of look who you defend andlook at what you're trying to

(32:34):
do here.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
One of the issues that Donald Trump is really
under the water probably hisworst issue is the Maryland man,
who is in El Salvador right now.
It's something that-.
The Maryland man, he is aMaryland man.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Come on, what I will tell you is he is an El
Salvadoran citizen.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
He is not a Maryland man, he is an illegal immigrant
living in this country illegallyfor 14 years.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
Whatever you want to say, scott, but the American
people-.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
This is why the polling is the way it is because
we're lying, we're lying, we'renot lying the American people,
the peace orders were inMaryland.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
He was beating his wife.

Speaker 8 (33:04):
The American, even though they have been saying
that about him for weeks.
That is not penetrating andAmericans are just misled and
that's why they don't like howTrump has handled this.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
He has been saying that for weeks and what has the
entirety of the national newsmedia been saying?
He's a Maryland man.
He's a mild-mannered suburbanfather.
We have lied our rear ends offabout this case.
He is a El Salvador illegalimmigrant.
He came to the country 14 yearsago illegally.
There is a ton of evidence thathe is involved in gang activity

(33:36):
.
There is a ton of evidence thathe was involved in human
trafficking.

Speaker 6 (33:40):
All right, and he's exactly right.
This is is just.
It's just a bunch ofmischaracterizations and lies or
puff pieces on people thatthere's another part of the
story.
So you sit here and see themedia do this over and over
again and then you get.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
You see politicians that ramp that up they're
working together again they geton it again and I just don't
know how anybody even believeswhat the media has to say at all
anymore.
They they lied to us aboutBiden for four years.
They've lied to us about a lotof things over the past and it's
like why would you sit here andbelieve anything that's
happening that's coming out oftheir mouths right now?
Prop that guy up.

(34:22):
That is a is a protester forterrorist organizations, right?
And they're trying to make himthis poster child.
This poor guy.
We're going to send him out ofthe country.
Are you kidding me like?
I just don't know how and whenwe're going to get back any sort
of legitimacy with themainstream media if they
continue this kind of rhetoricon sharing with the american
public well so.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
So that's what's going.
So there's there's some pollingwrapped into all this, and I
want to get to two differentthings before we get to the
polling, because we are going totalk about the polling and not
all polling is created equal,there's no doubt.
But Alex Thompson went up infront of the White House
Correspondents Dinner onSaturday night and, to his
credit, he stood up and said wehave some blame in all of this,
because people don't trust mediaanymore, and we're part of the

(34:57):
reason why, because we helpedcover up what happened with
Biden.
Now, giving Alex Thompsoncredit, he asked a lot of the
questions.
He wasn't I don't think he wasnearly aggressive enough,
clearly, okay, and there areplenty of people in the media
who absolutely played alongbecause Joe Biden shares their
political party, so they weregoing to defend him to the end
and keep him in there as long asthey could.
But Alex Thompson brings up avery valid point here and it's

(35:19):
not easy to go up in front ofyour peers and say we dropped
the ball.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
President Biden's decline and its cover up by the
people around him is a reminderthat every White House,
regardless of party, is capableof deception.
But being truth tellers alsomeans telling the truth about
ourselves.
But being truth-tellers alsomeans telling the truth about
ourselves.
We, myself included, missed alot of this story, and some

(35:52):
people trust us less because ofit.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
We bear some responsibility for faith in the
media being at such lows.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
I'm surprised you got a round of applause on that.
Honestly, such lows.
I say this becauseacknowledging errors builds
trust and being defensive aboutthem further erodes it.

Speaker 6 (36:19):
We should have done better.
Okay, and he's absolutely right.
Good for him for standing upand saying that.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I hope that Joe Scarborough listens to that.

Speaker 6 (36:26):
Well, and again, scarborough's an opinion guy
right.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
An opinion guy who still was hiding for Biden, like
he was covering for Biden.

Speaker 6 (36:33):
Well, no, but I agree .
But then there's, you know,sean Hannity can stump for Trump
on stuff that he shouldn'talways do, so I don't always
think of that, but but I dothink, you know.
But he went on to, and wedidn't put the clip in there,
but he went on to say howcrucial the media is and it's
super important, and I wouldhave at one time agreed with
that.
I think they have a chance topivot and matter again, but I
don't think they're going to,okay, and so I want to bring up

(36:55):
one other story going back here,and there was a big story
Saturday night out of Colorado,okay, and the reason we bring
this up is because the media isgoing to spin this.
It hasn't been spun yet becauseit's too early, but they're
going to spin this thing.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
So let me, let me tell everybody kind of what
happens.

Speaker 6 (37:13):
Yeah, go for it.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
And then you tell us what the headlines are going to
be.
How about that?
Okay, cause it says um,basically, there was a, a big
bus at a club, a nightclub, anunderground nightclub, last
night in Colorado Springs ofsome gang members.
Right, they were arrested.
A hundred of them were arrestedfor illicit drugs, recovered
coke meth.
There was ICE agents there.

(37:34):
So how do you think the mediais going to spin this?
Like, what are some of theheadlines you think they could
say?

Speaker 6 (37:40):
Well, I think it's Colorado singles just trying to
have a good time arrested.
I mean that's going to beclearly coming our way?
Or is it a Colorado businessdedicated to bringing joy shut
down by ICE?

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
That's good.
Oh, that's good, I like thatone yeah.

Speaker 6 (37:52):
Or how about a multicultural Colorado club
targeted by ICE?
I mean, you know?

Speaker 1 (38:06):
it's just how it's going to go down, yeah, but
we've already seen a couple ofquick headlines on this that are
ridiculous.
Here's cnn's headline yeah,over 100 immigrants arrested in
raid on underground coloradonightclub where active duty
military members worked.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
Fed said okay, so they're like with their military
members too.
So let's not forget that.
So the military's mixed intothis.
Let's not talk about the factthat the gang members were
actually the ones that wererunning the nightclub yeah, like
trender agua and ms13 members,apparently, and apparently you
could get, you know, meth andblow and all the other stuff.
Right, they had it all lined out, yeah I'm sure okay so here's
the one thing I think, wherethis thing is going.
So I want to show you some ofthe uh bullet points on this

(38:35):
thing.
Okay, and it's the one at theend that I think you're you're
going to find the loophole whereyou're going to see the defense
occur on this whole thing.
So let's take a look at that.
And it says the undergroundnightclub raid.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Some of the details here it said, a federal
operation in Colorado Springstarget underground nightclub
linked to drug trafficking,prostitution and violence.
I like bullet.
Two officers from 10 federalagencies detained more than a
hundred people, including activeduty military members and
individuals in the US illegally.
They kind of bury that lead alittle bit, yeah, and then it
talks about.
You know, dea was involved withconfiscating the drugs and the

(39:09):
weapons, and the gang activityis laid out clearly.
It's associated with the club.
By the way, these gangs andthen finally, despite arrests,
charges in similar cases haveoften been difficult to pursue.

Speaker 6 (39:22):
Okay, guaranteed, we're going to get somebody
coming out of this thing sayingI had no idea.
I'm just having a good time andall of a sudden ICE comes in
and my grandma who was with me.
She was just enjoying some methand all of a sudden she's
arrested and she's being shippedout.
There's going to be these softstory stories about the suburbs.

(39:44):
I had no idea, you had no idea.
Give me a break, okay.
And again, if there are membersof our active duty military
involved in this, see ya, youknow you're going to end up in
jail for this, as you should,you know.
But but again, this is just.
I guarantee you there's goingto be now a reason to how could
you do this, and so that's justanother one of these stories.

(40:05):
That's what's coming next inthis.
But really, what we're tryingto get at in this whole thing is
there is a broad fight that hasbeen staked out.
I'm surprised at one thing, andthat is I'm surprised that many
Democrats have gone out andstarted to defend some of the
people they've defended, becauseinvariably there are going to
be mistakes, there are going tobe people removed that maybe
shouldn't have been removed,which we talked about very early

(40:25):
, yeah, or?
stories that are definitely moreof a heart-wrenching story than
some of these things that we'veseen now, yeah, going after and
protecting an MS-13 gang memberthat was here illegally and
putting all their bullets in thegun, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
On that.
I'm going to travel toVenezuela, I'm going to take
this on Like are you kidding me?
Like you can't.
I just think it's a weird hillto die on, it's very odd.
And again we kind of said, ok,let's just keep watching them
light themselves on fire.

Speaker 6 (40:52):
And they are, they are.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
But if you look at some of the abc news clip
because basically they'retalking about this poll that
says that trump is hammeringsupport.
You know he's.
I'm sorry, he's um hammeringsupport hemorrhaging hemorrhage
that's good you're fine, it'sclose enough.
Fine, you're fine, I just makeup words yeah, he's hammering
support.

Speaker 6 (41:16):
He's like hammering support or he's losing support.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
How about you just put in losing support for that?
I?

Speaker 6 (41:21):
don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Okay, so losing support, even on immigration,
right?
So this ABC is coming outsaying, oh, it's bad news for
Trump, so let's watch thislittle clip that's been put
together.
It sounds like it's a reallybad day for Trump.
Americans have mixed views onthis.
Fifty three percent disapproveof the way that Trump is
handling immigration.

Speaker 8 (41:40):
right, you mentioned 53% disapproved but 46% approve

(42:00):
of his handling on immigration,and then we saw definitely a
closer split when it came to thedetentions and sending those
who were suspected of being gangmembers to that prison in El
Salvador.
We saw 47% approve and 51%disapprove.
And so there are.

Speaker 6 (42:18):
OK, this is completely and totally.
If you look at it, you thinkTrump, trump's in trouble, trump
is in trouble.
So this gets back to my pointthat you try to accomplish one
of two things with a poll.
You either want to get a result, so you push things a certain
direction, or you want to getinformation, and you don't, and
you genuinely ask questions likepolling.

(42:40):
All the time in campaigns youreally want to know where you're
at, but let's just say you'retrying to raise money from
donors and they don't believeyou can win.
Then you do a poll where you'relike hey you, would you vote
for this candidate who wants toprovide, you know, a great job
for everybody and safe streets,or would you support this
candidate who wants toabsolutely let criminals out and

(43:00):
have them target your family?
Which one would you like?
Right?

Speaker 1 (43:03):
I mean, they're like oh my God, I want the guy, I
want the guy.
We did not do that, but yeah,there's definitely.
I would argue.
I would say, from a marketingstandpoint, that to me is a
marketing survey.
So what this poll shows to methat they've done is a marketing
survey.
We'll see.
It's not a real poll.

Speaker 6 (43:15):
Okay, well, hold on.
So let's ask the questions.
What are they?

Speaker 4 (43:19):
What did they?

Speaker 6 (43:19):
ask, and what were we looking at?
So we took a deep dive on whatdid they ask?
So what?
Where are these opinions that aminority of people in this
country want to have gangcriminals not sent till South?
That sounds crazy.
Well, let's take a look.
Let's tell me the exact wordsused in the polling that got
this result.

(43:39):
Okay, so here we go.
You start with the question atthe top, and then, and then the
second, no, no, the question atthe top, and then you know, and
then you, and then you go withyour, your subhead.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Okay.
So it says do you support oroppose each of the following?

Speaker 6 (43:52):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Okay.
Do you support or opposesending undocumented immigrants
who are suspected of beingmembers of a criminal group to a
prison in El Salvador without acourt hearing?

Speaker 6 (44:03):
Okay, that's not happening.
Okay, so this guy, thisMaryland man.
He'd been in multiple courthearings.
He had an adjudicateddeportation order in 2019.
He's been all over the courtsystem for more than a decade.
Like, what are you?
So that's not?
He should have been deported bynow, in 2019, he's been all
over the court system for morethan a decade.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, like what are you?
So that's not, he should havebeen deported by now.
The fact that he hadn't beendeported, they're just catching
up with the guy.
So it's like people are likewhat you forgot that he already
went to court.

Speaker 6 (44:28):
Go back to the poll.
And so that question is soweird Without a court, of course
not, right Okay, of course not,right, okay.
And then again, if you alreadyhave a deportation order, you
get sent back, like that's howthat goes.
You don't get extra hearings,no, you've already had one to
get the deportation order Right,okay.
So that's a completely andtotally ridiculous question.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Do you support or oppose deporting international
students who have criticized USpolicy in the Middle East?

Speaker 6 (44:53):
Again, those people are not being just shipped out.
The people that are beingshipped out are the ones who
have said hey, jewish student,you don't get to go to class,
we're blocking your way.
Well, guess what, you're out.
Or they support Hamas andactively push for a terrorist
group in this country, which youdon't get to do as a
non-citizen.
So these guys go and say whatif they just give an opinion

(45:14):
that they support this?
I mean, that's again anothersecond unfair question that
skews the poll to make it looklike Americans oppose getting
dangerous people who arestopping Jewish students from
going to class.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Which, by the way and I'm not sure everybody's heard
this or not, but this justhappened again at Yale last week
.
So there was Hamas supportersand they are doing their
protesting and they wereblocking Jewish students from
getting from one part of campusto the other part of campus.
So you look at this video andyou're like, wait, this has got
to be from like a year ago orsomething.
No, it's still happening.
I don't know how it's stillhappening.

(45:47):
I don't know if Yale's justwaiting to get all their funds
taken away too as well, but II'm shocked that it still
happens.
You frame this question likethis and you make it sound like,
oh, they just disagreed with apolicy and this is just a free
speech issue.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
And here's what I would argue that by, by going
and skewing the poll the way ABCdid, they are giving more
backing to people on the leftwho think this is working.
It isn't working.
What you're looking at here iseffectively a push poll that
tell you what you want to hear,so that these guys will keep
driving over a cliff, and theyare driving over a cliff.

(46:20):
We talked about it all the timeduring the campaign in 2024
with Biden and Trump that thiswhole thought process of
boosting Biden when you knew itwasn't working.
You'd boost him with a fakepoll.
You'd boost him with he's doinggreat.
You'd boost him with I've neverseen a better Biden.
You'd boost them with the factthat the economy is not that bad
and there's nothing reallyhappening at the border.

(46:41):
You are killing your own side.
If you're the media doing thisand it is your side right, it is
, it's Catholic.
You are killing them by sayingwhat you're doing, by backing
these people that are here andare violent criminals and trying
to get them out, or people thatare here that are supporting
terrorist organizations andstopping Jewish students from
their given rights in thiscountry to get an education, If

(47:03):
you're trying to give people theimpression that, oh no, no,
you're on the right side,Everybody's with you,
Everybody's with you, Everybodyknows you've got to stop exactly
what you said the gaslighting.
And they keep doing it.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Well, look at this one, this one's amazing Freezing
foreign aid, providing food,health services and disease
prevention services for peoplein poor countries.
Okay, this is all about USAID,right.

Speaker 6 (47:24):
Right.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
And so, like as we have learned and we've covered
multiple times on our show, thecutbacks at USAID had nothing to
do with freezing foreign aidfor food and health services
right.
This was like what was waste,fraud and abuse.
What was actually being spenton things that had nothing to do
with this it's talking past.

Speaker 6 (47:42):
so the way you could also phrase that question is do
you support pulling funds fromorganizations that are working
counter to the best interests ofthe united states of america,
or do you support pulling fundsfrom an organization that's
lining the pockets of richpoliticians who are all repping
us off?
You'd be like oh no, no, Isolely support that Eighty five
percent.
You don't.
Yeah, it's a push poll.

(48:02):
It's what this whole thing is,and you just keep on going down
and there's more and more.
Should we reduce federalfunding for medical research?
Ok, give me a break again.
This is all stuff that isridiculous and stupid.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Right, because again that goes back to the grants
that have been cut back forschools, right?
So the grants are saying, hey,spend more money on the actual
research, give the money to thescientists.
The school doesn't get as bigof a cut as they once did.
But they don't clarify that inthis survey.

Speaker 6 (48:30):
Right, and the takeaway point in all this is
polls can be very, very goodokay, they can.
They can be very valuable andhelpful to tell you where you
are with the electorate.
But certain polls and again thewhole theme of this show has
been the media is again has notlearned from what happened in
the 2024 election.
They are putting their foot onthe scale more than ever before,
and they're doing it in a moredangerous way and backing more

(48:52):
dangerous people than theyshould.
I mean, again, this is justgoing to keep on going, and if
you think polls like this matter, this whole, you know, don't
worry, you're part of the group,you're part of the majority of
Americans who don't like what'sgoing on.
They're going to beflabbergasted when this falls
apart too, and they're like Ican't believe Trump got away
with this.
Trump's not getting away withanything.

(49:13):
What you're backing is peoplethat are deliberately trying to
subvert the rule of law ortrying to stay in the country
when they have committed crimesin this country.
So get ready.
I mean, the bottom will fallout of this one too.
But the biggest concern forTrump is going to be you've got
to handle the economy.
Because you don't handle theeconomy.
I don't care what happens onimmigration, it won't matter,

(49:35):
and so he better figure outtariffs and figure out some
deals.
And again, some of this isgoing to be holding China
accountable and everything else.
That's critical, and that's onething.
By the way, if you can recommendsomeone to you to listen,
listen to or read their, theirtweets, bill Ackman, who's a
hedge fund investor, had areally good series of tweets
that I'd encourage you to gofollow up on, and what he
basically says is that, eventhough it looks like China can

(49:58):
hold out longer than the UnitedStates because their political
system allows them to basicallykeep an iron grip on things, he
says they can't hold out nearlyas long as you think, and
Trump's in the right spot to dowhat he's doing.
As far as trying to reseteverything and really the reset,
go to Amazon.
Go to Amazon and go look upApple headphones.
Okay, you'll see a million ofthem.

(50:20):
The vast majority have beenripped off, meaning that the
intellectual property that Applehas gets ripped off and China
makes them and then sends themback into our country, right?
China never answers for rippingoff that idea.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
And if an American company tried to do that, they
would be sued Absolutely theywould, because this country
protects them.

Speaker 6 (50:39):
right?
This country says no, you don'tget to go, rip off someone's
intellectual property and don'tsend it back into their country.
Could you imagine if we tookBYD, a Chinese you know car
maker, and we just brought theircar here, we reverse, engineer
it, rip it off and send it backinto China for half the price
It'd be?

Speaker 1 (50:57):
like what are you freaking crazy?
They would never let us do that.
They do not hold up to theirstakes of business.
We can't, we can't evenprosecute them here in the
United States, but the dealright now is just crazy.

Speaker 6 (51:07):
It's wild.
But if Trump doesn't figurethis stuff out, work some deals
with our allies and start tobring them back in again.
This whole thing that basicallynobody's an ally is not smart,
right?
I mean, you've got to workdeals with Japan.
You've got to work deals withthe European.
You've got to work a bunch ofthese deals, get them done and
then figure it out.
Same thing with the Ukraine,stuff Like that's all falling
apart, because if you rely onPutin, guess what?

(51:28):
Putin's not a good actor, soTrump's got his problems.
I mean, there some of thesethings out.
But I'll tell you that I justthink that stuff can be figured
out and I think it's going to bea fascinating next few months
watching this stuff play out.
Well, I just hopefully hopefullyit gets fixed sooner than later

(51:49):
, just for the sake of stocksand everybody yeah, the economy,
people kind of panicking aboutcertain things but absolutely.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Well, after all that fire, let's do something a
little bit more upbeat or youknow, we weren't going to have a
kicker.

Speaker 6 (51:58):
I know, but but then we do you think we want to do it
.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Well, I do want to have a kicker now, because I
forgot that Ava sent me thiscute little video.

Speaker 7 (52:03):
Okay, okay, I take credit for this kicker yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
You should get full credit for this.

Speaker 6 (52:15):
But because our Husky .
You know they are crazy.
So, ava, you can start rollingthis.
This is amazing.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Oh, I think this is so cute.
I can't imagine us.
Ava sent this to me and this is.
You know, I do have thisfascination with watching dogs
get washed.

Speaker 6 (52:27):
Yeah, like their little spot treatments, the
little mud Husky getting cleanedup.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Yeah, he's just getting chill.
I can't imagine our dogs beingthis chill if we try to do all
this.
They have special gloves.
They put on special shampoo.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
I feel like this could be a groomer.
We're watching here.
This is a groomer's personaldog.

Speaker 7 (52:44):
No, this is somebody who fosters dogs.
This is not her dog, she'sfostering it, she's fostering it
.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
She's so sweet she probably is like she's got some
expertise Look at the littlepaws across.
She tease their cross and she'slike yeah, I'm just gonna take
care of you right there.
And then he looks so happy butshe continues to go on.

Speaker 6 (53:01):
And I didn't realize you should put the old earmuffs
on them when you're clean, youknow when you're drying them off
.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
We probably should we should probably put the
earmuffs on our dog when we'revacuuming the house because they
also hate that he brushes histeeth.
Oh yeah, brushing the teeth.

Speaker 6 (53:13):
I just just hanging out getting the.
By the way, I've tried to dothat to our.
It does not work.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Oh, and the trimming of the nails.
Look at this dog laying down.
I don't know, I don't know whohad this dog originally, but
this is the most well-behavedHusky I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 6 (53:25):
It's unreal.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
I'm like, yeah, we'll take this dog in a heartbeat
Cause.

Speaker 6 (53:32):
look at how happy this dog is.

Speaker 7 (53:33):
Oh, he's nose yeah, what is this?

Speaker 1 (53:35):
the laser treatment yeah laser treatment, yeah, well
, you got to keep them.

Speaker 6 (53:38):
You know, looking young really it looks right now.
What's so funny is they'll getto the end here, right and this
is classic husky move.
Yep, you clean your husky, youspend hours doing this right.
You brush them down, get themall set, get all the hair off
all the hair, and then about oh,I don't know treatment.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yep, she even sprays them with like something to
smell.

Speaker 6 (53:56):
But he he's going back outside again.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (53:58):
And what does he do?

Speaker 1 (53:59):
It's a little treat, and then this is a classic Husky
right here yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:02):
He's right back out to the dirt.
Yeah, and I'm just going to layin it.
Yep, it's great stuff, okay.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
So hopefully that's a little happy yeah To some us
today.
You guys, we really appreciateyou spending some time with us
and don't forget to keep makingthose comments and send us your
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We appreciate it.
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