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Speaker 1 (00:03):
He said.
So what you need to do is youneed to make a list of 10 people
whose opinions really matter toyou and you put that in your
phone in the notes section andthen when you get a negative you
know troll comment, you look atthe comment and go.
Douche canoe 69 says I'm toofat to be on TV.
Douche canoe 69.
Are you on my list?
Oh my God, I'm too fat to be onTV.
(00:24):
Douche Canoe 69, are you on mylist?
Oh my God, you're not on mylist of people who matter.
Sorry, sorry, douche Canoe,your opinion doesn't matter.
Mr Douche Canoe, for me it wasone session with a psychologist
was all I needed to get my headback into the game.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Shelley Shelley, thank you for coming on the
podcast, so nice to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I mean, I wish I was there in person so we could
cuddle, but this is the nextbest thing because that's what
we used to do.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We'd run into each other on channel nine and be
like hello how are you lookingvery?
Glamorous in the green room,and the green room was not
glamorous at all.
Was, was it?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
No, no, like bits of carpet missing and a louver
broken.
But you know the magic of TV,yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
So what matters is what is in front of the camera,
and you are excellent at being,I mean, in front of the camera.
That is your thing, in fact.
I think I've always looked atyou and thought you are someone
who is innately confident, andthe way that you come across on
TV is just that you knowyourself and you like yourself,
although I kind of also knowthat that's not always the case.
(01:32):
Right, we don't always knowourselves?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
No, and, to be fair, I don't know anyone who's
confident 100% of the time.
I think if you were confident100% of the time, it would mean
you're off your meds and youprobably need to seek some
treatment.
So for me, I think thatconfidence you get peaks and
troughs, but the thing is what Ihave learned and what I now
(01:56):
teach is, when you're notfeeling confident, how to get
yourself back up off the groundand make sure that you can
perform when you need to, butalso to go.
Sometimes it's okay to justhave a day where you've got to
pull the doona over your head,like let's not be on all the
time.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
What do you do on those days where you wake up and
you're going shit.
Just don't love what I looklike today.
I don't like how I'm feeling inmyself.
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I'm 50 now.
I'm 50 now.
I'm an old tart and I don'treally have days where I don't
like how I look, which is kindof nice, which is, I think, a
part of getting older and givingless fucks.
Not sure if I'm allowed toswear, but that's what it is.
I think that I was much, muchmore self-conscious when I was
(02:44):
younger and I used to gettrolled on TV for my weight and
things like that.
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
People would write to the TV station.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
No, no, no.
They would troll me on socialmedia or on Channel 9 social
media and say get that fat hagoff TV or I can't listen to her
because there's too much shitrunning down her double chins,
you know really always attackingme and how I look, not
attacking what I'm saying, whichis always I'm just like you
(03:17):
idiots, and that took some timeto actually realise that that's
their issue, not my issue.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
On the note of trolls , I often think anytime I've
gotten a troll, it is alwaysabout my appearance.
It is almost always from a man.
It is very rarely that I'mgoing to get cut down from a
woman and they all attack meabout things that just my
physical appearance.
It almost feels like it's aneasy win for them Realizing that
they're the insecure ones.
That kind of sounds like that'sthe journey you've been on here
(03:48):
.
Kind of go fuck it.
Who really cares what theythink?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So I had a great session with I don't know if you
know Dr Tim Sharp.
He's also known as Dr Happy.
Anyway, I had been using him asa contact in a lot of my
stories and using him as aresource, and then I had a time
where I got trolled horriblybecause I criticized Eddie
(04:13):
Maguire and the way that hespeaks about women and treats
women, which I, to this day,stand by.
I think he treats women reallybadly.
However, it went to air onToday Show and they put it up on
their social media and then allthe Collingwood supporters and
people like that jumped on boardand I got about 500 death
(04:35):
threats, rape threats, and I wastalking about how he was
treating women poorly.
So even in that, I'm like thisis just, I guess.
Yeah, I just felt like showingthe Twitter account and going
your honor, you know, like this,this is exactly the problem.
But I had some really horribleones that were like don't walk
alone at night, cause I'm goingto be hiding in the shadows to
(04:57):
rape you.
Like just stuff that is veryhard to get out of your head.
And then all of it became aboutmy weight and how fat I was,
and we shouldn't have someone asfat as you on TV and I even had
someone call me unrapeable,like even that sort of stuff.
So of course, on the flip side,I had hundreds of positive
(05:19):
stories from women and positivecomments and saying thank you
for standing up for us and thankyou for speaking out.
I can't quote them to you.
It's something about the humanpsychology.
You remember the reallynegative ones.
Anyway, I knew I wasn't copingon that day and this was about
geez now it's about seven oreight years ago because I was
(05:40):
making a cup of tea and Iaccidentally made Earl Grey
instead of English breakfast andthat made me burst into tears.
So I figured I wasn't copingthat well.
So anyway, I rang Dr Happy andI'm just like Tim, this feels
like a bit of an emergency.
I need to get in and see you.
He's like come in straight away.
And I showed him all of thecomments and he was brilliant.
(06:02):
These days I would report themto the police.
But back then we didn't reallyhave that knowledge about
reporting people.
So Tim said you know, are youafraid for your life?
Because I will go to the policestation with you.
But I was like, not really,these guys are just keyboard
warriors.
Like it's not that important.
He said okay, you need to askyourself this Are you happy with
(06:22):
what you said?
Yes, is your employer happywith what you said?
Yes, are your friends andfamily happy with what you said?
Yes, he said so.
What you need to do is you needto make a list of 10 people
whose opinions really matter toyou and you put that in your
phone in the notes section andthen when you get a negative
troll comment, you look at thecomment and go douche canoe 69
(06:47):
says I'm too fat to be on TV.
Douche canoe 69, are you on mylist?
Oh, my God, you're not on mylist of people who matter.
Sorry, sorry, douche canoe.
Your opinion doesn't matter, mrDouche Canoe, and it just sounds
like such a simple exercise,but you know what?
It is so effective andsometimes it just takes that to
(07:07):
get you out of the spiral and tocome back to making sure that
you are not taking it personally.
But again, I strongly recommendto anyone who is out there in
the media and they might havesome controversial views if you
are not coping with people whoare trolling you, please get
some help.
Like there are so many thingsyou can do these days, and for
(07:29):
me it was.
One session with a psychologistwas all I needed to get my head
back into the game.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
So when you're not feeling that confident, it's
kind of part of it's going I'mnot feeling so confident, and
then let me do somethingproactive that I can do, and it
could just be a session withsomeone.
It could be speaking to someone, but just don't stay alone in
it.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Right, absolutely, and share how you're feeling,
because I think that's when youcan spiral.
So I'll go back to when yousaid what do I do when I'm not
feeling confident?
When I wake up, I run threebusinesses Like I'm ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
You are ridiculous, I am ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
But what I have now learned is I need at least one
zero day, that's what I call it.
It's a zero day where I've gotno commitments.
I don't even have to go and dothe food shopping or anything
like that, and it is just.
I take the dogs for a walk onthe beach, I catch up on like
Grey's Anatomy and all of mytrashy TV that I love, and it's
(08:28):
just whatever fills my cup up.
You know I might have a massage.
I honestly okay, I've done thatlike twice this year, but it
sounds good to say.
But I find by trying to have azero day once a week or once a
fortnight, that is whatmaintains my mental health, my
(08:49):
confidence, everything, becauseI'm not running on empty and I
think that that's reallyimportant.
You really need to have someself-care, look after yourself
and know that if you're notfeeling confident, you're
probably tired, you're probablyoverworked.
There are probably a lot ofother factors that are playing
into it.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I'm always amazed by how much more I can like myself
after a really good night'ssleep.
It's tricky to find sometimes,or even just the power of five
minutes to clean my face.
I mean, I don't know, it's notabout looking prettier.
Sometimes it's just aboutfeeling a little bit freshened
up.
It makes a difference for me.
(09:30):
So you talked a bit about thepressure you felt in the media
from trolls.
Have you felt pressure fromworking on TV as a woman
generally?
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I mean, I've now been in the media for 30 years, so
imagine what it was like 30years ago.
There was no one on TV over asize 10, not even a 10.
There were probably eight, andso it was really hard for me to.
You can't be what you can't see, and so I was always very hard
(10:06):
on myself and wouldn't evenverbalize to other people that I
wanted to be on TV, because Ithought I would be judged.
They're like well, you're notthe right look for TV, and so
that really did play into things, and I and I did have a
horrible experience.
I'm going to sound like I'mslamming Channel 9.
I work there now.
I love you, channel 9.
However, in 1999, I was takenoff air for being too fat and I
(10:31):
was size 10.
Whoa, yeah, and not even justthat.
So I one time because I wasworking for the Australian
version of Entertainment Tonightand I was the red carpet
reporter and the you know out inthe field, and one time and
this is how long ago it was Iwas interviewing Mickey Rooney
(10:51):
traveling around Australia andme being me, I was wearing some
grey slacks and I sat on my redlipstick and got this big waxy
red mark, which is not ideal.
So I ran up to Channel 9wardrobe and I'm just like guys,
I just need a pair of pantsbecause I can't wear these.
I'm a size 10.
And the wardrobe stylist justlooked at me and like even they
(11:18):
blushed, and they were like wemight have something in the
men's section Wow.
So the fact that they didn'teven have clothes of that size
shows how much it was justingrained.
Now can I say, though, I'm asize 16 to 18 now, and I'm on TV
and I feel great about myself.
So thank you, channel 9, foryou know probably you know
(11:41):
reassuring me that people dochange, companies do change, and
I think these days, women wantto see all sizes and shapes on
TV, they want to see themselvesreflected and they want to see
that you can be a confident,smart woman and you don't have
to be a size zero.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Nothing inspires me more when I see a woman who is
confident in herself, and itreminds me that I do not need to
shrink my body in order to feelconfident.
I can't tell you how much thatcontent matters to me, how much
I need to see it, and you're oneof those people who does that
for me, one of the things I'vebeen loving recently by
following you and if you don'talready follow Shelly, please do
everyone, please, please do.
(12:20):
I'm really, really ShellyHorton one.
Please follow her Number one,cause she's the best in the
description.
I'll leave a link so you canfind her, but you've been doing
a whole bunch of dopaminedressing, little posts.
Yes so you're kind of goinglisten, I like this look and
it's a confident look and youlook great and I look at those
and I go oh, I just love whatyou're doing.
(12:41):
Tell me about dopamine dressing.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
So there's actually science behind this and it shows
that if you're wearing brightcolours and it could, it could
be bright block colors, or itcould be bright patterns or
bright floral patterns it makesyou feel happier.
And so I was in Melbournerecently, where everyone's in
black, like no one wears colordown there, and of course me, I
was wearing like electric blueor maybe red, and you know what
(13:08):
I felt like I was a movie starwalking down the street because
I'm like you guys are fadinginto the background and I think
for so many years I would wearblack and it was exactly that to
make myself smaller, so that Ididn't draw attention to myself.
And now I'm like hell.
No, this is actually about.
(13:29):
Sometimes you may not be feelingconfident, but by putting on a
bright yellow top or something,it's almost like your coat of
armor and you're like look out,world.
I am here and I'm not makingany excuses for myself.
So I use that as a bit of atrick all the time and you know
what it just works.
It just makes me feel happy andthe number of people who
(13:52):
comment or just like I will bewalking down the street and
someone will go great jacket.
I'm like.
Thanks so much.
You don't get that if you'rewearing black.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
No, you don't.
Oh, my goodness, I am all aboutthis, I love this.
I.
My mom says this to me.
She says, lindy, have younoticed the main character in a
rom-com, main character in anyfilm?
They don't wear black, theydon't just watch, they don't
because they are the maincharacter.
And if you've got main characterenergy, you're not wearing
boring bland colors.
(14:20):
And if you've got a wardrobewhere you open it and you go, it
just doesn't feel like me.
Getting dressed feels like achore, a pain.
You feel like you've got awardrobe stuffed full of stuff
yet nothing to wear.
Perhaps it is because you'vebeen sold that 90s idea around
if you're an apple or a pear orwhatever, like what a fucking
fruit you are, that you have todress to shape that instead of
(14:43):
just going.
Okay, I'm not going to build anentire wardrobe, that's just
slimming.
I'm going to build a wardrobethat feels like me, that helps
me feel confident in myself.
This is what's exciting me atthe moment is this idea of women
going actually clothes shoppingdoesn't have to be a nightmare.
It can be enjoyable and can makeour lives a whole lot more fun.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
So I've just become an ambassador for Motto Fashions
M-O-T-T-O, and they are aMelbourne duo, mother and
daughter.
Faye is 70 and Lauren, herdaughter's, in her thirties, and
they are amazing and they areall about the bright colors and
clashing colors and all thatsort of stuff.
And they have actually justreleased a range called we're In
(15:24):
Our Fuck it Era and I'm justlike, oh, I could not have a
better match with a group ofpeople and it was just fantastic
.
I went down to Melbournerecently and they were just like
bring an empty suitcase andthey just piled all of these
clothes in and we are talkingneon pinks and royal blues and
hot reds and I'm just like thisis exactly what it's about.
(15:48):
Don't dress for what otherpeople might think.
Dress for what makes you feelhappy and feel confident and
style is confidence.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It really is more than the same.
Sometimes we look at someoneand go, oh, that's so cool, but
I wouldn't have the confidenceto wear that.
So it is about building up thatlittle confidence to kind of go
maybe one of the things.
I've got a new program comingout called Confidence Cure.
It's all about how to style,create a wardrobe that you
freaking love, that you don'thave to lose weight to feel good
in and that's kind of the thing, so helping you shop better and
(16:17):
not make so many sillypurchasing mistakes Cause, gee,
we do a lot of them, oh my God,yes.
And so if what you, one of thethings I want you to do is to
find the regulars, the stuffthat you often, always have, and
then add in that personalitypiece, even if it's just one
little pop of color Because Iknow if you're a Melbourneite
and you just wear black, youmight be a bit scared by us in
(16:41):
our dopamine dressing Just alittle hint of color can help
you feel more confident.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
A hint of color or also just maybe a bit of a
sequin Like I love sequins indaytime because it's a little
bit unexpected, it's a littlebit fun.
And the other thing is I boughtthese ridiculously cheap silver
sequin shoes and you know, whenyou're just like, they make me
feel happy.
I feel like I wish as an adultI could have those shoes that
(17:09):
toddlers have that light up whenyou walk, because I would wear
them.
I would rock that on stage.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
My son has colour-changing shoes.
His shoes change colour in thesun and I'm thinking this is
bloody great, it's exciting, Ilove it.
I could talk to you foreverabout style.
I mean, I think you very muchhelp people feel more confident
in themselves.
Do you have any tips and tricksfor us?
Helping us fake?
Is it about faking confidence?
(17:36):
What is it?
Of course you can?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I mean, I think my thing is.
So I have a workshop that I docalled speak with impact, and
the thing that I teach people isdon't just wing it, like if
you've got to give an importanttalk at work, or even if you've
got to give an important talk atwork, or even if it's just
speaking up in a meeting at work, or if you've got to give a
speech at a wedding, the reasonthat you will be wanting to
(17:59):
vomit with nerves and worryingis because you're not prepared.
So for me I've got someexercises that you do, that sort
of wake up your face and getyour breathing organized so you
get your nerves under control.
But then if you've got a coupleof dot points and you know it
doesn't matter how it comes out,as long as I get to these dot
points, I'm in control then itis so much easier.
(18:24):
So I think so many of us expectthat you can just wing it and
expect that you don't have to doa preparation.
I still do prep for everysingle time I'm on TV, and I've
been doing it for 30 years.
So for me it's kind of it givesyou the base and then you can,
you know, bloom from there and Ithink you can use that in any
(18:45):
situation.
Just have a.
Have a little prep.
I also teach people anysituation.
Just have a little prep.
I also teach people.
Record yourself on your iPhoneno-transcript, watch it back
with the sound down and justlook at you and then you'll see
if your face is like you'resaying I'm so happy to be here,
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and your face is saying I wantto run away, I hate everything.
Or you'll see if you do anervous thing where you're
tucking your hair behind yourear or something, or you're
fiddling with your clothes.
You'll see all of that bodylanguage and the way you
communicate with your body.
Then the next thing to do isget the same clip press play but
(19:26):
turn the phone over so youcan't see yourself, and then
just listen.
And when you've taken thevisual away, then you can see if
you've got that excitement inyour voice or if you're telling
a story where you might slowdown a bit for a little bit of
drama, and then you bring yourvoice up and then you get really
excited and then you come to acrescendo.
You can then see that you areentertaining people with your
(19:50):
voice.
So I was given this advice.
I swear it had to be like 2002and it was from the executive
producer of Australian Story,which I still think is one of
the best shows on TV.
And she said to me when you arehappy with the audio and happy
with the visual, then you'renailing your presenting, you are
presenting with confidence.
And she taught me that in oneafternoon.
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And I then ran into her maybefive years later.
I was working at Channel 7 thenand I'm like Helen Shelley, you
know, you changed my life inone afternoon and she didn't
remember me so that was awkward.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
But I gotta say you don't know what she looks like.
She's a red.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
No, never look.
It's one of those great thingswhere Helen Graswell just
decided that she would helpyounger female journos on their
journey and she would give upher time to do it.
So she did it all the time.
The great thing was because wethen reconnected and I bought
her dinner.
We stayed in contact for yearsso it was all good.
But I think it's hilarious whenyou can say you changed my life
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and they're like I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I think this is such good advice for anyone who's
sitting on the sideline rightnow, who we know that social
media is a huge part ofpromoting a business.
It's such a big thing to putyourself out there to post your
silly little reels on Instagramcan feel really scary, and so
what you're saying is itpractice right, Like practice
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filming yourself and also.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I recommend like, people don't buy a product, they
buy from you, so they want tosee the owner of the business,
they want to see that you careabout it.
So I think it's important thatyou do get on camera and for me,
I think batch filming is agreat way to do it.
So don't just try and do oneevery day, because that is
exhausting.
(21:45):
Get yourself in a couple ofoutfits, you know, make sure
that you're feeling good, thelighting's great, and then film
10 of them, and then you mightonly want to put up one a week,
or two a week, but then you'vegot five weeks worth of content
there.
So I think it's about being abit more organized and just also
, if you're a bit nervous, putit onto stories, because that
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disappears in 24 hours, you know.
Like, get the confidence up.
But just get into that habit ofpresenting and speaking to your
audience.
And then the more you do it,the easier it gets, and you'll
know that.
I mean, I've looked at yoursocial media for years and it
just gets better and better andbetter and better, because you
learn as you go.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, but if you look back at my social media, I
sucked.
I sucked in the beginning.
You know I was so bad.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
It's okay to suck, though Like we can't expect that
we're perfect at everything,because I think then there's a
huge amount of responsibilitythat you're putting on yourself
and a huge amount of pressure.
So just say, guess what, I'mgoing to suck for a bit, but I'm
going to do this with a bit ofa twinkle in my eye and go come
on, come on the ride, people.
(22:53):
It could be bumpy, but let's doit.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I wonder if that's also another problem that people
experience when they're goingto present is over-preparing,
being the perfectionist of kindof going no, I have to get
everything right.
I can't post this until I amperfect.
So what you're saying isembrace the suck.
You're going to suck a little.
You're not going to be whereyou know.
Shelley's been doing this for30 years.
You're not going to be atShelley level.
(23:18):
You're just going to have tolike practice again and again,
and again to be at Shelley level.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
You're just going to have to like practice again and
again and again.
And that's why I alwaysrecommend people have dot points
, not scripts.
If you have everything writtenout, word, perfect, you're not
an actor.
You're not going to deliver itperfectly.
I can't do it with all of myexperience.
But if you have dot points, youjust have a structure and the
rest can be you chatting, andthat's really what helps people.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I adore this.
Shelley, you are divine.
Is there any other tips you'dlike to give anyone to feeling
more at peace with their bodies,with themselves, and feeling
more confident?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Look, I think that I have battled with my body image
for most of my life and I'm justso happy.
Also, gratitude for your book,which I still.
I actually have a physical copy, but I also love Audible, so
it's like you read it to me,which?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I love I'm going to sleep.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
And I've done some of the things like crowding in
veggies and trying to be moreintuitive with my eating.
But I think I've also justgiven myself a bit of a break
and I think one of the biggestthings I found is I remember
once I decided to join a gym andI was almost in tears because I
was the largest girl in theclass and they were, all you
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know, fabulous at it and Iwasn't.
And then I had in and I just itwas.
I think it was like one ofthose pump classes or something,
so I didn't even know how toput the weights on all of that
sort of thing.
But I had another woman in theclass and she just said, hey,
just follow what I do, and itwas so kind.
And then afterwards I realizedI was obsessing about how I
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looked and no one was looking atme.
They were looking at themselvesin the mirror and they all have
their own things going on.
So maybe just run your own raceand don't be hypercritical,
because there will be otherpeople going.
I look at someone and say, ohmy God, she's got the most
incredible body.
They look at me and go I loveher red hair.
Like there's always somethingthat someone else is picking up
(25:25):
about you, that it's never yourinsecurities.
And I also think try to bekinder in the way you speak to
yourself, because if I'm in afunk and I can hear my negative
self-talk, I would never saythat to another human being.
So I've tried to flip it andthink of it as if I was my best
(25:48):
friend in this situation.
What would I say to her?
I'd be like you've got this.
You're amazing.
I love you.
I can't believe what you'redoing.
Like it would be so hype girl,but we just don't do that to
ourselves.
We are the ones who'll be likepicking ourselves to pieces in
the mirror.
So try and be your own hypegirl, but we just don't do that
to ourselves.
We are the ones who'll be likepicking ourselves to pieces in
the mirror.
So try and be your own hypegirl.
Give yourself a bloody break.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
You're doing great.
I love that.
I mean, I feel better alreadyafter that little pep talk you
just gave us.
Shelley Horton, you are divine.
I would encourage everyone togo and do your workshop.
Your workshop is happening.
There's a few dates happeningfor the end of this year, right,
yes?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I know I'm sold out until September, which I'm a
little bit excited about, I know, and they're on the Gold Coast,
so look out.
I kind of sort of set someboundaries, because I get on
planes a lot and my husband hasbuilt a studio in our house.
So I'm like, no, come to theGoldie.
So I make them on a Fridayafternoon.
(26:46):
So I'm like invest in yourself,have a half day with me working
on getting better at presentingon camera and how to promote
your business, and then have theweekend on the Gold Coast, have
a little mini break, and it'sworking perfectly.
I've got people coming up fromTasmania, from Melbourne, from
Sydney, and I actually think nowI should be an ambassador for
(27:10):
the Gold Coast.
I think I'm bringing all of youSoutherners up here.
Gold Coast tourism are youlistening?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, exactly, but who is this for?
Who would be ideal, I'mthinking small business owners.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Small business owners is mainly what I'm getting.
So I've got mainly women whoare running their own business.
I've got a couple of womenwho've come along who just get
really tongue tied but they haveto speak up at work.
And one came to see me becauseshe got a promotion and now
she's in charge of 20 staff andshe said I get that nervous red
(27:44):
rash goes up my neck justspeaking to 20 people.
But I also get blokes.
I've got a bloke who I'mtraining, on Saturday actually,
and he is a tradie, and he justsaid I know I just don't
communicate what I'm going tocreate for people very well and
I need to work on that.
And he's only in his twentiesand so he's like I need to do
(28:05):
this now and I'm like, wow, ifonly I had that much insight
when I was in my twenties.
So yeah, so it's.
It's for people who need tostep up in front of camera and
and they want to do a good jobor step up in front of people
and speak and make an impactwith how they speak.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I love that.
If you want to come across asconfident, and even if you have
to fake it for a little bit,then Shelley is such a good
person to speak to.
Shelley, thank you for comingon the podcast.
I will leave links so everyonecan follow you, find you and
come to one of your workshops.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Thanks so much, honey .
It was so nice to catch up withyou.
Let's do it again.
Bye, bye, bye.
He said.
So what you need to do is youneed to make a list of 10 people
whose opinions really matter toyou and you put that in your
phone in the notes section andthen when you get a negative you
know troll comment, you look atthe comment and go.
Douche canoe 69 says I'm toofat to be on TV.
Douche canoe 69.
Are you on my list?
Oh my God, I'm too fat to be onTV.
(00:24):
Douche Canoe 69, are you on mylist?
Oh my God, you're not on mylist of people who matter.
Sorry, sorry, douche Canoe,your opinion doesn't matter.
Mr Douche Canoe, for me it wasone session with a psychologist
was all I needed to get my headback into the game.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Shelley Shelley, thank you for coming on the
podcast, so nice to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I mean, I wish I was there in person so we could
cuddle, but this is the nextbest thing because that's what
we used to do.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We'd run into each other on channel nine and be
like hello how are you lookingvery?
Glamorous in the green room,and the green room was not
glamorous at all.
Was, was it?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
No, no, like bits of carpet missing and a louver
broken.
But you know the magic of TV,yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
So what matters is what is in front of the camera,
and you are excellent at being,I mean, in front of the camera.
That is your thing, in fact.
I think I've always looked atyou and thought you are someone
who is innately confident, andthe way that you come across on
TV is just that you knowyourself and you like yourself,
although I kind of also knowthat that's not always the case.
(01:32):
Right, we don't always knowourselves?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
No, and, to be fair, I don't know anyone who's
confident 100% of the time.
I think if you were confident100% of the time, it would mean
you're off your meds and youprobably need to seek some
treatment.
So for me, I think thatconfidence you get peaks and
troughs, but the thing is what Ihave learned and what I now
(01:56):
teach is, when you're notfeeling confident, how to get
yourself back up off the groundand make sure that you can
perform when you need to, butalso to go.
Sometimes it's okay to justhave a day where you've got to
pull the doona over your head,like let's not be on all the
time.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
What do you do on those days where you wake up and
you're going shit.
Just don't love what I looklike today.
I don't like how I'm feeling inmyself.
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I'm 50 now.
I'm 50 now.
I'm an old tart and I don'treally have days where I don't
like how I look, which is kindof nice, which is, I think, a
part of getting older and givingless fucks.
Not sure if I'm allowed toswear, but that's what it is.
I think that I was much, muchmore self-conscious when I was
(02:44):
younger and I used to gettrolled on TV for my weight and
things like that.
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
People would write to the TV station.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
No, no, no.
They would troll me on socialmedia or on Channel 9 social
media and say get that fat hagoff TV or I can't listen to her
because there's too much shitrunning down her double chins,
you know really always attackingme and how I look, not
attacking what I'm saying, whichis always I'm just like you
(03:17):
idiots, and that took some timeto actually realise that that's
their issue, not my issue.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
On the note of trolls , I often think anytime I've
gotten a troll, it is alwaysabout my appearance.
It is almost always from a man.
It is very rarely that I'mgoing to get cut down from a
woman and they all attack meabout things that just my
physical appearance.
It almost feels like it's aneasy win for them Realizing that
they're the insecure ones.
That kind of sounds like that'sthe journey you've been on here
(03:48):
.
Kind of go fuck it.
Who really cares what theythink?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So I had a great session with I don't know if you
know Dr Tim Sharp.
He's also known as Dr Happy.
Anyway, I had been using him asa contact in a lot of my
stories and using him as aresource, and then I had a time
where I got trolled horriblybecause I criticized Eddie
(04:13):
Maguire and the way that hespeaks about women and treats
women, which I, to this day,stand by.
I think he treats women reallybadly.
However, it went to air onToday Show and they put it up on
their social media and then allthe Collingwood supporters and
people like that jumped on boardand I got about 500 death
(04:35):
threats, rape threats, and I wastalking about how he was
treating women poorly.
So even in that, I'm like thisis just, I guess.
Yeah, I just felt like showingthe Twitter account and going
your honor, you know, like this,this is exactly the problem.
But I had some really horribleones that were like don't walk
alone at night, cause I'm goingto be hiding in the shadows to
(04:57):
rape you.
Like just stuff that is veryhard to get out of your head.
And then all of it became aboutmy weight and how fat I was,
and we shouldn't have someone asfat as you on TV and I even had
someone call me unrapeable,like even that sort of stuff.
So of course, on the flip side,I had hundreds of positive
(05:19):
stories from women and positivecomments and saying thank you
for standing up for us and thankyou for speaking out.
I can't quote them to you.
It's something about the humanpsychology.
You remember the reallynegative ones.
Anyway, I knew I wasn't copingon that day and this was about
geez now it's about seven oreight years ago because I was
(05:40):
making a cup of tea and Iaccidentally made Earl Grey
instead of English breakfast andthat made me burst into tears.
So I figured I wasn't copingthat well.
So anyway, I rang Dr Happy andI'm just like Tim, this feels
like a bit of an emergency.
I need to get in and see you.
He's like come in straight away.
And I showed him all of thecomments and he was brilliant.
(06:02):
These days I would report themto the police.
But back then we didn't reallyhave that knowledge about
reporting people.
So Tim said you know, are youafraid for your life?
Because I will go to the policestation with you.
But I was like, not really,these guys are just keyboard
warriors.
Like it's not that important.
He said okay, you need to askyourself this Are you happy with
(06:22):
what you said?
Yes, is your employer happywith what you said?
Yes, are your friends andfamily happy with what you said?
Yes, he said so.
What you need to do is you needto make a list of 10 people
whose opinions really matter toyou and you put that in your
phone in the notes section andthen when you get a negative
troll comment, you look at thecomment and go douche canoe 69
(06:47):
says I'm too fat to be on TV.
Douche canoe 69, are you on mylist?
Oh, my God, you're not on mylist of people who matter.
Sorry, sorry, douche canoe.
Your opinion doesn't matter, mrDouche Canoe, and it just sounds
like such a simple exercise,but you know what?
It is so effective andsometimes it just takes that to
(07:07):
get you out of the spiral and tocome back to making sure that
you are not taking it personally.
But again, I strongly recommendto anyone who is out there in
the media and they might havesome controversial views if you
are not coping with people whoare trolling you, please get
some help.
Like there are so many thingsyou can do these days, and for
(07:29):
me it was.
One session with a psychologistwas all I needed to get my head
back into the game.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
So when you're not feeling that confident, it's
kind of part of it's going I'mnot feeling so confident, and
then let me do somethingproactive that I can do, and it
could just be a session withsomeone.
It could be speaking to someone, but just don't stay alone in
it.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Right, absolutely, and share how you're feeling,
because I think that's when youcan spiral.
So I'll go back to when yousaid what do I do when I'm not
feeling confident?
When I wake up, I run threebusinesses Like I'm ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
You are ridiculous, I am ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
But what I have now learned is I need at least one
zero day, that's what I call it.
It's a zero day where I've gotno commitments.
I don't even have to go and dothe food shopping or anything
like that, and it is just.
I take the dogs for a walk onthe beach, I catch up on like
Grey's Anatomy and all of mytrashy TV that I love, and it's
(08:28):
just whatever fills my cup up.
You know I might have a massage.
I honestly okay, I've done thatlike twice this year, but it
sounds good to say.
But I find by trying to have azero day once a week or once a
fortnight, that is whatmaintains my mental health, my
(08:49):
confidence, everything, becauseI'm not running on empty and I
think that that's reallyimportant.
You really need to have someself-care, look after yourself
and know that if you're notfeeling confident, you're
probably tired, you're probablyoverworked.
There are probably a lot ofother factors that are playing
into it.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I'm always amazed by how much more I can like myself
after a really good night'ssleep.
It's tricky to find sometimes,or even just the power of five
minutes to clean my face.
I mean, I don't know, it's notabout looking prettier.
Sometimes it's just aboutfeeling a little bit freshened
up.
It makes a difference for me.
(09:30):
So you talked a bit about thepressure you felt in the media
from trolls.
Have you felt pressure fromworking on TV as a woman
generally?
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I mean, I've now been in the media for 30 years, so
imagine what it was like 30years ago.
There was no one on TV over asize 10, not even a 10.
There were probably eight, andso it was really hard for me to.
You can't be what you can't see, and so I was always very hard
(10:06):
on myself and wouldn't evenverbalize to other people that I
wanted to be on TV, because Ithought I would be judged.
They're like well, you're notthe right look for TV, and so
that really did play into things, and I and I did have a
horrible experience.
I'm going to sound like I'mslamming Channel 9.
I work there now.
I love you, channel 9.
However, in 1999, I was takenoff air for being too fat and I
(10:31):
was size 10.
Whoa, yeah, and not even justthat.
So I one time because I wasworking for the Australian
version of Entertainment Tonightand I was the red carpet
reporter and the you know out inthe field, and one time and
this is how long ago it was Iwas interviewing Mickey Rooney
(10:51):
traveling around Australia andme being me, I was wearing some
grey slacks and I sat on my redlipstick and got this big waxy
red mark, which is not ideal.
So I ran up to Channel 9wardrobe and I'm just like guys,
I just need a pair of pantsbecause I can't wear these.
I'm a size 10.
And the wardrobe stylist justlooked at me and like even they
(11:18):
blushed, and they were like wemight have something in the
men's section Wow.
So the fact that they didn'teven have clothes of that size
shows how much it was justingrained.
Now can I say, though, I'm asize 16 to 18 now, and I'm on TV
and I feel great about myself.
So thank you, channel 9, foryou know probably you know
(11:41):
reassuring me that people dochange, companies do change, and
I think these days, women wantto see all sizes and shapes on
TV, they want to see themselvesreflected and they want to see
that you can be a confident,smart woman and you don't have
to be a size zero.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Nothing inspires me more when I see a woman who is
confident in herself, and itreminds me that I do not need to
shrink my body in order to feelconfident.
I can't tell you how much thatcontent matters to me, how much
I need to see it, and you're oneof those people who does that
for me, one of the things I'vebeen loving recently by
following you and if you don'talready follow Shelly, please do
everyone, please, please do.
(12:20):
I'm really, really ShellyHorton one.
Please follow her Number one,cause she's the best in the
description.
I'll leave a link so you canfind her, but you've been doing
a whole bunch of dopaminedressing, little posts.
Yes so you're kind of goinglisten, I like this look and
it's a confident look and youlook great and I look at those
and I go oh, I just love whatyou're doing.
(12:41):
Tell me about dopamine dressing.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
So there's actually science behind this and it shows
that if you're wearing brightcolours and it could, it could
be bright block colors, or itcould be bright patterns or
bright floral patterns it makesyou feel happier.
And so I was in Melbournerecently, where everyone's in
black, like no one wears colordown there, and of course me, I
was wearing like electric blueor maybe red, and you know what
(13:08):
I felt like I was a movie starwalking down the street because
I'm like you guys are fadinginto the background and I think
for so many years I would wearblack and it was exactly that to
make myself smaller, so that Ididn't draw attention to myself.
And now I'm like hell.
No, this is actually about.
(13:29):
Sometimes you may not be feelingconfident, but by putting on a
bright yellow top or something,it's almost like your coat of
armor and you're like look out,world.
I am here and I'm not makingany excuses for myself.
So I use that as a bit of atrick all the time and you know
what it just works.
It just makes me feel happy andthe number of people who
(13:52):
comment or just like I will bewalking down the street and
someone will go great jacket.
I'm like.
Thanks so much.
You don't get that if you'rewearing black.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
No, you don't.
Oh, my goodness, I am all aboutthis, I love this.
I.
My mom says this to me.
She says, lindy, have younoticed the main character in a
rom-com, main character in anyfilm?
They don't wear black, theydon't just watch, they don't
because they are the maincharacter.
And if you've got main characterenergy, you're not wearing
boring bland colors.
(14:20):
And if you've got a wardrobewhere you open it and you go, it
just doesn't feel like me.
Getting dressed feels like achore, a pain.
You feel like you've got awardrobe stuffed full of stuff
yet nothing to wear.
Perhaps it is because you'vebeen sold that 90s idea around
if you're an apple or a pear orwhatever, like what a fucking
fruit you are, that you have todress to shape that instead of
(14:43):
just going.
Okay, I'm not going to build anentire wardrobe, that's just
slimming.
I'm going to build a wardrobethat feels like me, that helps
me feel confident in myself.
This is what's exciting me atthe moment is this idea of women
going actually clothes shoppingdoesn't have to be a nightmare.
It can be enjoyable and can makeour lives a whole lot more fun.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
So I've just become an ambassador for Motto Fashions
M-O-T-T-O, and they are aMelbourne duo, mother and
daughter.
Faye is 70 and Lauren, herdaughter's, in her thirties, and
they are amazing and they areall about the bright colors and
clashing colors and all thatsort of stuff.
And they have actually justreleased a range called we're In
(15:24):
Our Fuck it Era and I'm justlike, oh, I could not have a
better match with a group ofpeople and it was just fantastic
.
I went down to Melbournerecently and they were just like
bring an empty suitcase andthey just piled all of these
clothes in and we are talkingneon pinks and royal blues and
hot reds and I'm just like thisis exactly what it's about.
(15:48):
Don't dress for what otherpeople might think.
Dress for what makes you feelhappy and feel confident and
style is confidence.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It really is more than the same.
Sometimes we look at someoneand go, oh, that's so cool, but
I wouldn't have the confidenceto wear that.
So it is about building up thatlittle confidence to kind of go
maybe one of the things.
I've got a new program comingout called Confidence Cure.
It's all about how to style,create a wardrobe that you
freaking love, that you don'thave to lose weight to feel good
in and that's kind of the thing, so helping you shop better and
(16:17):
not make so many sillypurchasing mistakes Cause, gee,
we do a lot of them, oh my God,yes.
And so if what you, one of thethings I want you to do is to
find the regulars, the stuffthat you often, always have, and
then add in that personalitypiece, even if it's just one
little pop of color Because Iknow if you're a Melbourneite
and you just wear black, youmight be a bit scared by us in
(16:41):
our dopamine dressing Just alittle hint of color can help
you feel more confident.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
A hint of color or also just maybe a bit of a
sequin Like I love sequins indaytime because it's a little
bit unexpected, it's a littlebit fun.
And the other thing is I boughtthese ridiculously cheap silver
sequin shoes and you know, whenyou're just like, they make me
feel happy.
I feel like I wish as an adultI could have those shoes that
(17:09):
toddlers have that light up whenyou walk, because I would wear
them.
I would rock that on stage.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
My son has colour-changing shoes.
His shoes change colour in thesun and I'm thinking this is
bloody great, it's exciting, Ilove it.
I could talk to you foreverabout style.
I mean, I think you very muchhelp people feel more confident
in themselves.
Do you have any tips and tricksfor us?
Helping us fake?
Is it about faking confidence?
(17:36):
What is it?
Of course you can?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I mean, I think my thing is.
So I have a workshop that I docalled speak with impact, and
the thing that I teach people isdon't just wing it, like if
you've got to give an importanttalk at work, or even if you've
got to give an important talk atwork, or even if it's just
speaking up in a meeting at work, or if you've got to give a
speech at a wedding, the reasonthat you will be wanting to
(17:59):
vomit with nerves and worryingis because you're not prepared.
So for me I've got someexercises that you do, that sort
of wake up your face and getyour breathing organized so you
get your nerves under control.
But then if you've got a coupleof dot points and you know it
doesn't matter how it comes out,as long as I get to these dot
points, I'm in control then itis so much easier.
(18:24):
So I think so many of us expectthat you can just wing it and
expect that you don't have to doa preparation.
I still do prep for everysingle time I'm on TV, and I've
been doing it for 30 years.
So for me it's kind of it givesyou the base and then you can,
you know, bloom from there and Ithink you can use that in any
(18:45):
situation.
Just have a.
Have a little prep.
I also teach people anysituation.
Just have a little prep.
I also teach people.
Record yourself on your iPhoneno-transcript, watch it back
with the sound down and justlook at you and then you'll see
if your face is like you'resaying I'm so happy to be here,
(19:06):
and your face is saying I wantto run away, I hate everything.
Or you'll see if you do anervous thing where you're
tucking your hair behind yourear or something, or you're
fiddling with your clothes.
You'll see all of that bodylanguage and the way you
communicate with your body.
Then the next thing to do isget the same clip press play but
(19:26):
turn the phone over so youcan't see yourself, and then
just listen.
And when you've taken thevisual away, then you can see if
you've got that excitement inyour voice or if you're telling
a story where you might slowdown a bit for a little bit of
drama, and then you bring yourvoice up and then you get really
excited and then you come to acrescendo.
You can then see that you areentertaining people with your
(19:50):
voice.
So I was given this advice.
I swear it had to be like 2002and it was from the executive
producer of Australian Story,which I still think is one of
the best shows on TV.
And she said to me when you arehappy with the audio and happy
with the visual, then you'renailing your presenting, you are
presenting with confidence.
And she taught me that in oneafternoon.
(20:12):
And I then ran into her maybefive years later.
I was working at Channel 7 thenand I'm like Helen Shelley, you
know, you changed my life inone afternoon and she didn't
remember me so that was awkward.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
But I gotta say you don't know what she looks like.
She's a red.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
No, never look.
It's one of those great thingswhere Helen Graswell just
decided that she would helpyounger female journos on their
journey and she would give upher time to do it.
So she did it all the time.
The great thing was because wethen reconnected and I bought
her dinner.
We stayed in contact for yearsso it was all good.
But I think it's hilarious whenyou can say you changed my life
(20:57):
and they're like I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I think this is such good advice for anyone who's
sitting on the sideline rightnow, who we know that social
media is a huge part ofpromoting a business.
It's such a big thing to putyourself out there to post your
silly little reels on Instagramcan feel really scary, and so
what you're saying is itpractice right, Like practice
(21:22):
filming yourself and also.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I recommend like, people don't buy a product, they
buy from you, so they want tosee the owner of the business,
they want to see that you careabout it.
So I think it's important thatyou do get on camera and for me,
I think batch filming is agreat way to do it.
So don't just try and do oneevery day, because that is
exhausting.
(21:45):
Get yourself in a couple ofoutfits, you know, make sure
that you're feeling good, thelighting's great, and then film
10 of them, and then you mightonly want to put up one a week,
or two a week, but then you'vegot five weeks worth of content
there.
So I think it's about being abit more organized and just also
, if you're a bit nervous, putit onto stories, because that
(22:07):
disappears in 24 hours, you know.
Like, get the confidence up.
But just get into that habit ofpresenting and speaking to your
audience.
And then the more you do it,the easier it gets, and you'll
know that.
I mean, I've looked at yoursocial media for years and it
just gets better and better andbetter and better, because you
learn as you go.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, but if you look back at my social media, I
sucked.
I sucked in the beginning.
You know I was so bad.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
It's okay to suck, though Like we can't expect that
we're perfect at everything,because I think then there's a
huge amount of responsibilitythat you're putting on yourself
and a huge amount of pressure.
So just say, guess what, I'mgoing to suck for a bit, but I'm
going to do this with a bit ofa twinkle in my eye and go come
on, come on the ride, people.
(22:53):
It could be bumpy, but let's doit.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I wonder if that's also another problem that people
experience when they're goingto present is over-preparing,
being the perfectionist of kindof going no, I have to get
everything right.
I can't post this until I amperfect.
So what you're saying isembrace the suck.
You're going to suck a little.
You're not going to be whereyou know.
Shelley's been doing this for30 years.
You're not going to be atShelley level.
(23:18):
You're just going to have tolike practice again and again,
and again to be at Shelley level.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
You're just going to have to like practice again and
again and again.
And that's why I alwaysrecommend people have dot points
, not scripts.
If you have everything writtenout, word, perfect, you're not
an actor.
You're not going to deliver itperfectly.
I can't do it with all of myexperience.
But if you have dot points, youjust have a structure and the
rest can be you chatting, andthat's really what helps people.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I adore this.
Shelley, you are divine.
Is there any other tips you'dlike to give anyone to feeling
more at peace with their bodies,with themselves, and feeling
more confident?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Look, I think that I have battled with my body image
for most of my life and I'm justso happy.
Also, gratitude for your book,which I still.
I actually have a physical copy, but I also love Audible, so
it's like you read it to me,which?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I love I'm going to sleep.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
And I've done some of the things like crowding in
veggies and trying to be moreintuitive with my eating.
But I think I've also justgiven myself a bit of a break
and I think one of the biggestthings I found is I remember
once I decided to join a gym andI was almost in tears because I
was the largest girl in theclass and they were, all you
(24:38):
know, fabulous at it and Iwasn't.
And then I had in and I just itwas.
I think it was like one ofthose pump classes or something,
so I didn't even know how toput the weights on all of that
sort of thing.
But I had another woman in theclass and she just said, hey,
just follow what I do, and itwas so kind.
And then afterwards I realizedI was obsessing about how I
(25:03):
looked and no one was looking atme.
They were looking at themselvesin the mirror and they all have
their own things going on.
So maybe just run your own raceand don't be hypercritical,
because there will be otherpeople going.
I look at someone and say, ohmy God, she's got the most
incredible body.
They look at me and go I loveher red hair.
Like there's always somethingthat someone else is picking up
(25:25):
about you, that it's never yourinsecurities.
And I also think try to bekinder in the way you speak to
yourself, because if I'm in afunk and I can hear my negative
self-talk, I would never saythat to another human being.
So I've tried to flip it andthink of it as if I was my best
(25:48):
friend in this situation.
What would I say to her?
I'd be like you've got this.
You're amazing.
I love you.
I can't believe what you'redoing.
Like it would be so hype girl,but we just don't do that to
ourselves.
We are the ones who'll be likepicking ourselves to pieces in
the mirror.
So try and be your own hypegirl, but we just don't do that
to ourselves.
We are the ones who'll be likepicking ourselves to pieces in
the mirror.
So try and be your own hypegirl.
Give yourself a bloody break.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
You're doing great.
I love that.
I mean, I feel better alreadyafter that little pep talk you
just gave us.
Shelley Horton, you are divine.
I would encourage everyone togo and do your workshop.
Your workshop is happening.
There's a few dates happeningfor the end of this year, right,
yes?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I know I'm sold out until September, which I'm a
little bit excited about, I know, and they're on the Gold Coast,
so look out.
I kind of sort of set someboundaries, because I get on
planes a lot and my husband hasbuilt a studio in our house.
So I'm like, no, come to theGoldie.
So I make them on a Fridayafternoon.
(26:46):
So I'm like invest in yourself,have a half day with me working
on getting better at presentingon camera and how to promote
your business, and then have theweekend on the Gold Coast, have
a little mini break, and it'sworking perfectly.
I've got people coming up fromTasmania, from Melbourne, from
Sydney, and I actually think nowI should be an ambassador for
(27:10):
the Gold Coast.
I think I'm bringing all of youSoutherners up here.
Gold Coast tourism are youlistening?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, exactly, but who is this for?
Who would be ideal, I'mthinking small business owners.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Small business owners is mainly what I'm getting.
So I've got mainly women whoare running their own business.
I've got a couple of womenwho've come along who just get
really tongue tied but they haveto speak up at work.
And one came to see me becauseshe got a promotion and now
she's in charge of 20 staff andshe said I get that nervous red
(27:44):
rash goes up my neck justspeaking to 20 people.
But I also get blokes.
I've got a bloke who I'mtraining, on Saturday actually,
and he is a tradie, and he justsaid I know I just don't
communicate what I'm going tocreate for people very well and
I need to work on that.
And he's only in his twentiesand so he's like I need to do
(28:05):
this now and I'm like, wow, ifonly I had that much insight
when I was in my twenties.
So yeah, so it's.
It's for people who need tostep up in front of camera and
and they want to do a good jobor step up in front of people
and speak and make an impactwith how they speak.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I love that.
If you want to come across asconfident, and even if you have
to fake it for a little bit,then Shelley is such a good
person to speak to.
Shelley, thank you for comingon the podcast.
I will leave links so everyonecan follow you, find you and
come to one of your workshops.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Thanks so much, honey .
It was so nice to catch up withyou.
Let's do it again.
Bye, bye, bye.
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