May 15, 2025 • 35 mins
What happens when a health crisis forces you to abandon old habits and discover new passions? For Killian Moore, putting down the beer and picking up a camera transformed not just his health, but his entire perspective on New York City—a place he'd called home for over a decade.
"When you're documenting the everyday life of New York, you start seeing the city differently," Killian reveals in our conversation. "Before that I had just been a regular New Yorker who was trying to get from point A to point B as quick as possible and pushing people out of the way to get there." This shift in perspective eventually led him skyward, where he discovered his love for aerial photography, shooting from doors-off helicopters to capture the city from breathtaking new angles.
Our discussion travels from Killian's early days of learning photography through Instagram communities to his current work as an in-flight aerial photography instructor. We explore his thoughtful approach to Web3 security (including his four separate hardware wallets, each with a specific purpose), and his entry into NFTs just before the 2021 boom—a time when only a handful of photographers were minting work.
For artists considering the NFT space, Killian offers wisdom earned through experience: "Take your time. Just because you have work to mint doesn't mean that you should mint it immediately." He emphasizes the importance of education, security awareness, and finding supportive communities willing to share knowledge.
Whether you're a photographer looking to enter Web3, an NFT collector curious about artistic process, or simply someone who appreciates the power of reinvention, this conversation offers valuable insights about craft, community, and the courage to see familiar surroundings through fresh eyes.
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Intro (00:00):
Who is this?
Who is this guy?
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Norcal and chill podcast Show.
It's chill time.
Norcal and chill podcast.
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What the sh, what the shil,what the shil, your Cal and Shil
podcast.
So it's shil time.
NorCal Guy (00:28):
Your Cal and Shil podcast what the shil, what the
shil.
Today's guest is Killian Moore.
Killian is an Irish-born NewYork City-based cityscape,
landscape and aerialphotographer.
After living in New York for 12years, killian picked up a
camera to view the city from adifferent perspective.
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Initially, he was self-taughtand then he connected with other
local photographers throughInstagram, where he met some of
his biggest influences andmentors.
After about a year, he beganhis love affair with flying over
the city and shooting newperspectives from doors off
helicopters.
He is now an in-flight aerialphotography instructor with
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Wings Air Helicopters.
In 2019, killian found his loveof the night sky and began
taking deep spaceastrophotography images.
This new endeavor included asteep learning curve that
involved automating acomputer-controlled
astrophotography images.
This new endeavor included asteep learning curve that
involved automating acomputer-controlled
astrophotography rig.
Always up for the challenge,killian researched and networked
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for months to improve hisimaging and workflow.
Still a work in progress.
His astrophotography continuesto drive him deeper into new
areas of photography.
Continues to drive him deeperinto new areas of photography.
In early 2021, killian beganresearching the emerging field
of NFTs.
The new form of crypto art hasintrigued and driven him to
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break into the NFT market.
The crypto art space opens upmany new opportunities for all
artists and Killian is excitedto have joined the movement near
its inception.
Everyone, please welcomeKillian.
Hey, killian, welcome to thepodcast.
How are you doing today?
Killian (02:11):
GM.
How are you doing?
NorCal Guy (02:13):
Doing good, doing good.
It's a nice day no rain todayhere in Northern California and
just enjoying the weather.
Killian (02:20):
It's cold and wet and miserable in New York City today
.
No, I feel like it's alwayscold in the and miserable in New
York City today.
NorCal Guy (02:25):
Oh, I feel like it's always cold in the wintertime
in New York.
Killian (02:29):
Yeah, you can't complain.
If you live in New York City,you can't complain about the
cold in the winter or the hot inthe summer, because it's just
what you sign up for when youmove here.
NorCal Guy (02:36):
Right, right, yeah, so it's.
Let's see here.
It's like five o'clock overthere.
Killian (02:42):
Yeah, it's quitting time, it's like five o'clock
over there it's quitting time.
NorCal Guy (02:44):
It's quitting time About to go home.
I know it's just two, twoo'clock here.
My son's sleeping right now.
It's nap time and I'm justenjoying an interview, waiting
until, hopefully, he wakes uparound four.
Killian (02:57):
So oh nice, he gets a nice long nap yeah.
NorCal Guy (03:00):
Yeah, he's a good sleeper.
Killian (03:05):
My son should hang out with him, so he could teach him
how to sleep properly.
NorCal Guy (03:08):
Yeah, I don't know how we got lucky, but both our
kids just will sleep.
It's awesome.
Well, my daughter does not napanymore.
She like refuses, but they bothsleep through the night pretty
good, so that's been nice.
Killian (03:20):
Awesome.
NorCal Guy (03:21):
So I guess we could just jump into it.
Do you have a hardware walletand do you use your hardware
wallet?
Killian (03:27):
I do.
I have four hardware wallets.
Wow, I know you can makemultiple wallets in the one
ledger, but I like to keepeverything separate because I'm
a little OCD, so I bought fourdifferent ledgers.
NorCal Guy (03:39):
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that.
Killian (03:41):
I have one that's a freezer that just gets
transferred high value assetsand it sits there, it doesn't
connect to anything.
Then I have a warm ledger thatI'll use to connect for, like
claiming BAYC type of thingswhere you have to connect your
wallet to mint other stuff.
I have a ledger for my artcollection, for all the pieces
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that I've collected.
I put all my art into oneledger and then I have one that
I put eat into and I don't lookat it.
I give it to my wife.
NorCal Guy (04:15):
Ah, good thing she doesn't know how to spend it yet
.
Killian (04:19):
Yeah, she's got no idea what the thing's for Nice.
NorCal Guy (04:24):
No, I like that because I mean mean, you guys
set it up in a way that makessense for you and that you'll
use it like for securitypurposes, or however responsibly
.
Killian (04:35):
Yeah, yeah, exactly yeah, and if that's like it's
nerve-wracking when you'resetting it up for the first time
and you're transferring assetsacross because, like anything in
web3, when you get into it it'sconvoluted.
There's not very manyinstructions out there and
you're just clicking a buttonand you're hoping things are
going where they're supposed tobe going right.
But once you get used to it youget more comfortable.
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But you can't get complacent.
You have to remember that theyare security devices, that you
have to use them cautiously yeah, as long as you're using them,
however, your setup is that'sgood yeah, yeah so what were
your first thoughts when youheard about nfts and crypto art?
I was like what the hell?
This is amazing.
The thing that really kickednfts off for me was the
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royalties and perpetuity that Ithought that something special,
which we've since come to learnthat not everybody feels the
same way about it, but that wasa big draw to me.
And it was actually MikeSadowski, mindseye that brought
them.
It was him and Ill Concept,mike Spots.
Both of them brought NFTs to myattention and Mike had gotten
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an invitation Minds, and Mikehad gotten an invitation Minds.
I had gotten an invitation toFoundation and he'd gotten extra
invitations.
Like, look, if I give you one,will you use it?
I'm like, why wouldn't I use it?
It's another possible source ofincome through my art.
I was like, why not?
What is there to lose?
And then I went into the big,deep rabbit hole of learning
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about crypto and NFTs.
This was in March of 21.
Yeah, yeah, almost two fullyears, march of 21.
And it was just before the bigboom started.
So there wasn't very many peoplethat you could reach out and
talk to, especiallyphotographers.
There was only maybe 10 or 15photographers that were minting
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work, and Mike was the only onethat I knew.
So we kind of navigated thelandscape, bouncing stuff off
each other, and then we metanother couple of photographers.
We all became like a think tanktogether.
One of them actually is adeveloper, so he understood Web3
and was able to point us FocusPirate, chris Kelly.
He was able to kind of give usa WebTree security brief and
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do's and don'ts, which wasreally really helpful, because
it is so convoluted when youstart off and you just don't
know what you're doing For sure.
That's awesome.
So it really helps to find thegroup that are willing to help
you out when you get in.
NorCal Guy (07:07):
Yeah, no, it definitely seems like there's
like these groups of like peoplethat have been together from
their starting point, From dayone.
Yeah, and just like yeah and Imean, and the friendships have
just gotten stronger.
It seems like I mean it's beencool to watch and see.
Killian (07:23):
It's really cool.
The amount of people that Ihave met through nft is that I
was never exposed to before,right, but they become like
family members because we'vespent so much time talking and
navigating this space over thelast two years.
NorCal Guy (07:36):
Right, that's being really, really cool yeah, it's
funny because you're like Iwould never trust anyone on the
internet.
And now here we all aretrusting each other.
Killian (07:46):
Yeah, it's funny because my wife came to a lot of
the events for NFT NYC with melast year.
And she said it was just sointeresting being an outsider
looking into the dynamic of allof these people that have been
talking nonstop online for thelast 18 months meeting each
other for the first time, Right,and she was like it was just so
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interesting to see how peoplewere interacting.
But we're humans, so we are shywhen we meet.
Generally, most of us are shywhen we meet other people.
Even if you've spoken to thembefore on the phone or on the
internet.
NorCal Guy (08:21):
It's still a weird dynamic to meet somebody in
person, Right for sure,especially when it's all like
pfps and then you're like uh,who are?
Killian (08:31):
you.
Okay, that's what you look like, yeah yeah, for sure.
NorCal Guy (08:39):
Oh.
So why did you choose art?
What brought you to photography?
Killian (08:44):
so I got into photography about seven years
ago.
I had to quit drinking.
I had some health issues.
I was getting pancreatitis fromdrinking and I was told I'd get
pancreatic cancer if I didn'tstop drinking.
And that was that was likealarm bells.
Okay, just stop.
So I stopped drinking.
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And when I stopped drinking Istopped my other hobby, which
was making beer.
I made beer that's what I didin my free time and I needed
something to fill that void.
I had a friend in New York Citythat had gotten into photography
.
He said why don't you just geta camera and come out with me
and shoot?
I was like, okay, I can do that.
So my wife bought me a camerafor my birthday and it just took
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over from there.
Really, it just I startedseeing the city in a whole new
light.
I had lived in new york for 13years or so at that stage.
Okay, but when I had startwalking around with a camera, I
started seeing the citydifferently.
It was a different experience.
When you're documenting theeveryday life of new york, which
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is what I was doing.
I was just walking aroundneighborhoods taking pictures.
I wasn't setting up for the biggrand postcard shots that I
have since learned how to do.
I was literally just wanderingthe streets snapping pictures of
interesting things that I saw,and before that I had just been
a regular New Yorker who wastrying to get from point A to
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point B as quick as possible andpushing people out of the way
to get there and not payingattention to what was going on
around me in the city.
But when you slow down and youstart looking for stuff through
a camera, it looks totallydifferent.
NorCal Guy (10:22):
Right?
No, it's true, it's very true.
Killian (10:25):
And I just got hooked Within the first week.
I was just hooked.
I was like this is amazing.
And then I start posting oninstagram and I start getting a
following on instagram and Istart.
I started getting into.
There was a.
I'm not so involved ininstagram anymore because I just
think it's become baby tiktokand if you don't publish videos,
you don't get seen.
I didn't pick up a camera tomake videos and pick up a camera
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and take pictures, so I kind ofshied away from instagram for
the last couple years.
But there was a big, strong newyork city instagram community.
So I start meeting up withpeople like paul sybert
beholding eye and some otherpeople that aren't in web3 and
they just became friends and Istart learning from them and I
really just got hooked.
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It just just became part of mylife at that stage.
NorCal Guy (11:10):
Nice I like that.
Yeah, I just recently picked upa camera this past summer and I
definitely got hooked on itmore than I was expecting.
It's been fun.
Killian (11:22):
It is.
It's a lot of fun.
It can be frustrating at timesas well, especially when it
doesn't come off the way thatyou had envisioned it and you
have to figure out what you did.
Wrong, right, and when you takethat camera out of automatic
and you start messing aroundwith the settings and knowing
how to use your camera.
It can be frustrating at thestart, but it's very rewarding
when you put the time in forsure, definitely is.
NorCal Guy (11:43):
I mean one thing, I mean just from my perspective,
that has been like I have dialson my camera, so it's not I
don't have, so it has thatreally tactile feel and has live
view.
So, as you're like learning,you can the triangle, the light
triangle I don't even rememberwhat it's called right now.
Anyways, you can like livepreview, like okay, how to do
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this?
This changes and it's very.
Killian (12:07):
oh yeah, you can see in the EVF.
You can see the exposureschange and stuff.
Yeah yeah, oh, you got one ofthose fancy Leicas didn't you?
Intro (12:17):
That's Pete's fault.
NorCal Guy (12:19):
I have one of those.
I did pick up a Fuji X100V aswell.
Killian (12:23):
Oh nice.
NorCal Guy (12:24):
So that's been fun too.
Killian (12:25):
I want to get my hands on one of them.
NorCal Guy (12:26):
Yeah, I got lucky.
I found it used on like KEH,like mint condition.
I was like no one's buying this.
I'm buying it right now.
Awesome.
What jobs have you done alongthe way?
Killian (12:41):
Oh my God, I've done so many jobs in my life.
When I was 11 or 12, my sisterhad gotten a ghetto blaster for
Christmas.
I was like why didn't I get aghetto blaster for Christmas?
Because you've got to bike,gotta bite young, grateful
little shit.
And I said I want a ghettoblaster.
And they said if you want aghetto blaster, you you have to
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get a job and you save up enoughmoney to pay for half of it.
We'll pay for the other half.
Okay, so I've had odd jobssince I was 11 or 12.
Tough love ir Irish mammies.
They really set you up for lifewith their tough love.
So I had a paper round I wouldcut people's lawns, I would trim
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their hedges.
Then I worked in a dry cleanersfor three or four years, during
the summers when I was off fromschool and at the weekends, big
dry cleaners warehouse factory.
I was the gopher.
I basically did whatever theytold me to do.
Professionally I did anelectrical apprenticeship in
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Ireland.
I'm a licensed and qualifiedelectrician.
NorCal Guy (13:50):
Oh nice.
Killian (13:50):
I did that in New York City for seven or eight years
and then I got into.
I'm now a building manager.
I manage a residentialcondominium.
Okay, so you name it.
NorCal Guy (14:01):
I've probably done it Nice.
I like it.
I like the variety.
Killian (14:05):
Yeah, you got to try a little bit of everything.
I'm like I think that's why Ilike art, because I'm good with
my hands.
I, I'm like I.
I think that's why I I like art, because I'm good with my hands
.
I can make things.
I'm a logical thinking personso I can figure out the need to
figure out something works.
I can figure it out and I canmake it work, or I can.
I just have that type of brain,yeah, and I've always, if I, if
I'm not doing something, I'mbored.
NorCal Guy (14:32):
And when I'm bored is when I'm at my most dangerous
to myself I get idle handsRight.
Killian (14:34):
No, no, I feel you on that.
So I've always done somethingor want to be doing something,
learning something new.
NorCal Guy (14:39):
That's awesome.
It's always good to beexpanding learning.
I love that part.
Killian (14:43):
Yeah, someone said to me once every day is a school
day and if you're not learning,you're not doing it right.
Ooh, that's a good one.
I like it.
So you always got to try andkeep improving on yourself and
your knowledge, for sure.
NorCal Guy (14:57):
Yeah, it's a huge.
I mean it's fun and I mean itkeeps you thinking.
You got to keep thinking, yeah.
So if you were an animal, whatwould you be and why?
Killian (15:09):
I hate this question, you know.
I've given it some thought.
I've listened to other people'sresponses.
I still am not a hundredpercent sure.
I think I'd be an eagle because, you know, I like being above
places taking pictures, so Ilike looking down on things and
seeing things from a differentangle.
I also like the solitudebecause I'm kind of an introvert
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but I'm also I do like havingthose close to me around me, so
kind of a pack animal as wellwhen I have my pack around me.
So maybe a wolf, so an eagle ora wolf.
NorCal Guy (15:42):
Okay, those work.
They both work.
I like them.
Killian (15:45):
Yeah, what animal would you be?
I know you've been asked thisbefore.
NorCal Guy (15:56):
Do you give the same answer every time?
I do give the same answer everytime.
Trying to trip you up here, Iknow I've tried that.
Killian (16:00):
I've thought about switching it up I'm like no, I'm
just gonna stick with theoctopus, it's a good one.
It's a good one as well.
I thought about being a whale,because, like you're the
solitude under the ocean, you'reseeing a different side of of
planet earth.
There's some fascinatingcreatures out there, though, as
well, that like imagine being acentipede and having all those
legs and crawling over bushesand avoiding humans.
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Right right, everybody picks ananimal at the top of the food
chain.
Nobody picks an animal that'slow on the food chain that's
true, oh man.
NorCal Guy (16:32):
Well, do you have a favorite food?
Speaking of food chain, I likecomfort food.
Killian (16:38):
There's no one particular dish that I could
pick out, like steaks, sushi,but I also like home cooking
cabbage and potatoes.
Just I like.
NorCal Guy (16:49):
I just like good food, it's like I mean I see
some of those pictures in therca rcsa of some I like I, I
like to cook, but it's funny Idon't like to cook for myself.
Killian (17:04):
I only like to cook when there's other people going
to be eating with me.
Uh, okay, so I like I won't goand make myself a nice elaborate
meal.
If I'm home alone, right, I'lleat crap, I'll eat junk out of
the presses, but if you're in myhouse and you're hungry, I'll
cook as a five course meal,because I just I like cooking
for people.
And this goes back to workingwith my hands and being good at
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things.
Like I'm actually a pretty goodcook and I can figure out how
to make a good dish.
NorCal Guy (17:29):
So come over to my house, I'll cook you dinner all
right, sounds good like a gooddish, so come over to my house.
Killian (17:34):
I'll cook you dinner.
All right, sounds like a goodplan to me.
It's a date.
NorCal Guy (17:38):
I feel like you've given a good piece of advice
earlier, but if you had analternate, what's the best piece
of advice you've been given?
Killian (17:48):
If you're going to do a job, do it right the first time
.
Yeah, that's a solid one, andit was explained to me that if
you're going to take your timeto try and do something, take
all the time you need to do thatthing right, because if you
don't do it right the first time, you're going to spend more
time coming back trying to fixit.
NorCal Guy (18:08):
Right, that's very true.
Killian (18:10):
And time is one of the most valuable assets that we
have.
NorCal Guy (18:15):
Yeah, and it seems like, well, we don't realize
that until we're older, when ourtime actually is more valuable.
Killian (18:23):
Yeah, it really.
If someone's late for a meeting, it really annoys me because,
like you're now, wasting my timeand I could be doing other
productive things with my timeFor sure.
So I think time is one of themost important assets that we
have and we have to use itwisely, yes, and productively.
Don't fuck up making yourselfhaving to go back and do things
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over and over and over again.
NorCal Guy (18:45):
Just take the time and do it right yeah, do you
have advice for artists joiningthe NFT space?
Killian (18:53):
Take your time.
Oh man, there's so much.
It's like really, just takeyour time.
Don't just because you haveworked to mint doesn't mean that
you should mint it immediately.
We all have, especiallyphotographers.
We have thousands of pictures.
It doesn't mean that you needto go and mint them all
immediately.
Take your time.
Learn about web3, learn aboutwallets transactions.
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Find a group of people,like-minded people, that are
willing to help you, and 90 ofthe people that are in web3 are
willing to help you.
Very true, all you got to do isreach out and ask them and
they'll respond to you that theyare willing to help you or
they'll point you.
They could point you towardssomebody else who has better
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knowledge and what you'relooking for.
Right, but really education,because there's so much to learn
and I know everything happenssuper fast in nfts, but we are
cliche, but we are so early thatyou have time.
Just take it.
Yeah, learn, learn and goslowly.
NorCal Guy (19:58):
Yeah, solid.
Killian (20:00):
Yeah, and like really security.
I think is a big thing, becauseso many new people into the
space unfortunately get trickedwith phishing scams.
Or click on bad links becausethey're excited because it could
be it looks like their firstsale, oh yeah.
Or click on bad links becausethey're excited because it looks
like their first sale.
So just take it slow andeducate yourself before you jump
in with two feet.
NorCal Guy (20:21):
Yeah, for sure.
Killian (20:23):
And reach out.
My DMs are open to everybody.
If anybody needs any advice,please feel free to reach out.
NorCal Guy (20:28):
Yeah, definitely do.
Utilize those resources whenyou can.
Killian (20:32):
Yeah, there's so many people willing to help.
I know because I've reached outto so many people asking advice
over the last two years andI've maybe once or twice I
haven't gotten responses frompeople.
Yeah, the rest of the time,everybody is more than willing
to help.
NorCal Guy (20:45):
Yes, they are.
So if you could live or moveanywhere, where would you live,
and why?
Killian (20:52):
I would live in a Norvy .
Ah, I haven't heard that oneyet.
I would live in a Norvy and Iwould travel.
That's my retirement goal.
It always has been a dream ofmine to travel to the United
States and not have to worryabout work.
So I would buy a Norvy and Iwould just travel, and I would
probably extend that to beingable to travel to Europe, and I
would probably extend that tobeing able to travel to Europe.
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I would like to see as much ofthis world as I can before.
I'm not here anymore, so I'd bea nomad.
NorCal Guy (21:21):
I like it.
That's pretty solid.
I know my wife and I wanted to,when the kids get like a couple
years older, like either get anRV or rent one and do like a
few road trips around the US.
Killian (21:34):
Yeah, we're going to be doing that probably.
Maybe next year my parents willcome out.
I want to do Highway 1.
That's really high on my list.
Oh yeah, yeah so, but there'sso many places in the.
United States that are just.
I was just in Utah this pastApril or May, whenever it was,
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and it's just like there's somuch to see in this country that
you could literally probablyspend 30 years traveling and
still not see everything.
NorCal Guy (21:59):
Yeah, there really is a lot, I mean even around
where I live, I mean we.
I mean, it's granted, when youlive somewhere you tend not to
see the things around you.
But I know there's a ton ofthings around us that we could
go see, that are awesome, but wejust haven't done it.
But there's just so much.
Killian (22:18):
Yeah, it's really amazing.
It's funny that you say thatwhen you live in a place, you
don't go and see it.
Like we were just talking aboutbringing my kids doing a road
trip in Ireland and there's somuch of Ireland that I haven't
seen because when you live in,as you said, if you live in in a
place, you don't go and do thetouristy things right.
So I'm actually looking forwardto going doing a road trip in
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ireland with my kids becausethere's so many of.
I've never kissed the blarneystone.
I probably won't now anyway,but I've never been to the
blarney stone.
I've never seen the cliffs ofmoher.
I've never been to the giant'scauseway, the beautiful basalt
rock formation, oh yeah, andfrom so like there's so much I
haven't seen that.
I'm looking forward to gettingto go and be a tourist.
That's awesome one of thesedays that sounds great.
NorCal Guy (23:03):
Do you have any questions for me?
Killian (23:05):
I do so you've acquired a reputation as a genesis
sniper.
Uh-huh.
Do you feel pressure now fromthe community, because you've
been so hot on getting people'sgenesis, to buy genesis from
people?
NorCal Guy (23:21):
well, I guess it also depends, I mean so.
So I mean, yes, there'sdifferent, like people like
claim different genesis, likethey're first on foundation and
then they're first on super rareand then they're first on this
platform.
Right, and it's kind of funnyto me Cause like I, I mean I'll
go grab it if it's like a firstand I like it, but I guess I
(23:44):
would prefer like their veryfirst, like ever, if I can get
it, which there's not very manyof those out unless yeah, I did
see.
Killian (23:55):
you got Paul Nicklin's one though.
NorCal Guy (23:57):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Well, that was like yeah, I gotlike three of those.
I'm thinking about grabbinganother one from someone else
Because, like I don't know whypeople aren't bidding on those.
I mean that's like so.
(24:24):
I mean that's part of mythinking is like why, when I
want to buy someone's work, Ilike to look at their past,
their history, to see howcommitted they are to their
craft.
To begin with, initially, theredefinitely was a lot of just
people throwing stuff up andjust seeing if people would buy
it.
Killian (24:32):
Yeah.
NorCal Guy (24:33):
But those people have shown their commitment to
their craft, shown that they'resuccessful and have made it.
They've put in the work.
So it seems like an easy.
Why would I not do that?
Killian (24:46):
Seems like a no-brainer right.
NorCal Guy (24:50):
Yeah, exactly so.
Yeah, I was surprised that Igot those with no hassle at all.
Killian (24:56):
Fantastic pieces, yeah.
So the second part of myquestion because you buy so many
Genesis, does it affect yourbuying of other work?
NorCal Guy (25:07):
Does that make sense .
What do you mean exactly byaffect your other Like I won't?
Killian (25:14):
buy a piece?
No, because you see so manygenesis pieces.
Is your attention drawn awayfrom other work that is out
there, or do you spend an equalamount of time browsing all of
all work?
NorCal Guy (25:24):
oh yeah.
So I mean these days I, how Isee stuff, is through
notifications.
I don't like browse twitter orscroll it, I'll just like see
what notifications I get fromlike a few people that I follow
for, like retweets or whatnot.
So, like there's a few people Ifollow, I'm like all right, I
(25:46):
think they will probably beretweeting good work or have
like say good things here andthere.
So those are the people I havelike notification turned on for.
So I'll just, you know, try andquickly go through that
throughout the day here andthere and see if anything pops
up.
And that's generally how I seestuff.
Or if someone DMs me like, hey,check out this.
Killian (26:09):
Right, that's a good hack as well.
I have notification turned onfor some accounts as well.
It's a good hack to curate aseparate feed for Twitter as
well.
NorCal Guy (26:16):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, initially I was goingto make like lists, like to
scroll through, but then I waslike that's just it takes so
much time.
Yeah, yeah.
So part of it is like that'shard, is the space is really
good at retweeting otherpeople's work?
That's hard, is the space isreally good at retweeting other
(26:38):
people's work?
So if you're like, have a likea Twitter list that you would
want to go through, and if allthose people are retweeting all
this different work, you're like, wow, there's not.
Like you're just seeing a lotof retweets.
Killian (26:48):
Basically, Right, you're seeing the same content
over and over, and over and over.
NorCal Guy (26:51):
Yeah Right, yeah right makes sense which it's
always like uh, it's like thisweird, like it's awesome.
Everyone's retweeting work, andsometimes I saw this like if I
go to someone's profile, I'mlike man, where's their tweet?
Killian (27:05):
because it's so many retweets, but yeah, that is the
one, that is the one drawback onTwitter, but it is great that
so many artists support so manyother artists.
It is, it is and it's becausewe all believe in the space of
what we're building and we wantto see it succeed.
NorCal Guy (27:24):
Very true, yeah, yeah.
And I wouldn't say to stopdoing that.
It just, I guess, make sure youhave a very solid pinned tweet
that's always up to date.
Killian (27:36):
Yeah, yeah, guess, make sure you have a very solid pin
tweet that's always up to date.
Yeah, yeah, and they got rid of.
I have a twitter moment, whichwas great because you could
group a whole load of tweetstogether.
Oh, yeah you're rated that way,but they got rid of moments,
moments.
Now my moment is still my pintweet, but I can't update it
anymore.
Oh, got it.
So elon Elon's ruining it forus.
NorCal Guy (27:57):
Well, things are being experimented.
Do you have any other questions?
Killian (28:02):
Are you still having?
NorCal Guy (28:02):
fun in the space.
Yes, I will say, the hard partis I miss a lot of DMs, and it's
just today.
I had another interview earliertoday and I went to send like
the link for like the zen casterlink and I was like, oh dude, I
didn't even see that you'dmessaged me, like it's weird
(28:26):
that I, you know, like you're inthis space and it just I hate
the twitter dm so much becauseyou, it's just like whatever, if
you're in any group chats oranything, those are at the top
and you can't like you have toleave them, you can't like
ignore them because they'realways at the top and whatever
is recent is at the top.
Killian (28:45):
There's no way to sort by unread, right yeah?
NorCal Guy (28:48):
So that's really frustrating.
So I miss a lot of DMs, which Ifeel that part makes me a
little like I feel bad, becauseI feel like I'm not purposely
ignoring people, it's justbecause you get all these dms
and then, like your screen onlyfits like what is it like?
10?
maybe, yeah, if that yeah and ifyou get 10 dms and like
(29:11):
overnight or whatever, you'regonna miss a lot of dms, like
especially as they start comingin, or yeah, it sucks.
I wish there was another way.
That's the only part I hateabout the space, because I'm
like damn it.
I feel like an ass sometimesbecause I honestly don't see dms
yeah, I'm the same like I'mlike.
Killian (29:29):
I can't even imagine what your dms are like.
Mine are a mess.
NorCal Guy (29:32):
I can't imagine what yours are like but yeah, yeah,
but I mean it's fun, I like thespace, I like talking with
people, so that's, it's beenreally nice.
I definitely, you know, try andbe careful about who I open DMs
with, cause I don't want to getinto a DM.
That's like very time consumingat this point.
Like there's the people that Ienjoy talking to this point,
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like there's the people that Ienjoy talking to, and then I'm
like I don't know how much morebandwidth I have but it is what
it is.
Killian (30:00):
Yeah, it's a fun space.
It can be.
It can take its toll.
That's actually should beanother piece of advice for new
artists just have fun, don't letit.
It's easier said than done, butthe space can weigh on you and
sales can weigh on you.
It's not about sales.
It's about making a communityand making the space work and
try and have some fun whenyou're doing it yeah, and don't
(30:23):
spend all day on twitter like,yeah, you don't need to be on
twitter all day.
NorCal Guy (30:27):
Yeah, it's, I know some people do and it's like I I
don't know how you got to getother stuff done or go out, walk
a little bit.
I was just in Tahoe the lastthree days and it was just good
to get out.
I mean, I posted a couple oftweets, but I was not checking
DMs.
I was just out enjoying thesnow.
(30:49):
So definitely get out and be inthe moment For sure, because as
much as uh, these people onlineare awesome and they are good
friends, like you're making realfriendships, but you gotta
remember those people that areactually in your life every day.
Yeah, around you, yeah, cool.
Well, do you have any shoutouts or any upcoming projects?
Killian (31:10):
I have a few things in the pipeline, nothing confirmed
yet, but one of my goals forthis year, I want to get in the
fake rare directory.
NorCal Guy (31:18):
I want to make a this year oh so I had.
Killian (31:22):
I had an awesome pepe made and then I had I shared it
with someone some of the higherups in the pepe community and
they loved it.
They wanted to be made into acard, but my dumb ass didn't
look at the file specificationsbefore making the card and what
(31:43):
I did was I used a landscapephotoshop and made the card out
of that uh and it just won'twork.
I just can't make it work forspecific requirements for a pepe
, so I have to go back to the.
Yeah, I have a few ideas.
I've been throwing ideas aroundthere, but, like one of my big
goals for this year, I want tobe in that directory nice,
that'll be fun so it's such acool community I know you're
(32:06):
deep in it as well.
It's just the vibe is awesome.
They're just.
NorCal Guy (32:10):
It's just a bunch of really fun loving people yeah,
for sure, I mean, and someseries eight was just insane
some of really fun-loving people?
Killian (32:16):
Yeah, for sure.
And Series 8 was just insane.
Some of the art that's comingout of it is just amazing.
NorCal Guy (32:20):
Yeah, the vibe at the Pepe galleries has always
been just chill, hang out, chat.
It's been nice.
Killian (32:26):
Yeah, they're really fun people, so that's one of my
goals for this year Shout-outs.
I'll just say hello to my justchilling family.
They know who they are griftercommunity as well.
That's one that I'm lucky enoughto be part of.
Grifters are grifters are goingto grift and they're a tight
bunch of people and they'rereally, really awesome.
And just to everybody whointeracts with me every single
day and supports my art andappreciates my art, I thank you
(32:51):
for being part of this journey.
It's it, it means a lot, andwouldn't be here without
everybody's support every singleday.
NorCal Guy (32:57):
Nice, I like it.
That's pretty solid.
Well, killian, thank you somuch for your time and spending
this interview with me.
Killian (33:06):
It's been awesome, man.
It made me really happy whenyou sent me the DM and asked me
to be on Love what you do.
NorCal Guy (33:11):
You're a great community member and happy to be
able to jump on here and have achat with you I know, I know, I
know, I think, if it's feellike it's been since the early,
early on, I don't know whatever.
What was that summer of like 21, I don't know when.
That was when I jumped intothat rcsa discord yeah, I, I
(33:32):
came in just after you.
Killian (33:33):
Oh, you did okay yeah, they're another good bunch of
people as well.
Shout out to the rcsa discordpeople you know who you are.
Yeah, it's been really fun toget to know you thanks for all
you do in the community becauseyou really are a stand, stand-up
.
NorCal Guy (33:46):
Member of the community well, thanks, I
appreciate that and I appreciateyou know all that you've been
doing and putting out and Ican't wait to I hope we get the
hang of you.
Killian (33:56):
Are you coming to nft nyc?
NorCal Guy (33:58):
yes, that's the plan currently.
Yes, this is, it is on thecalendar awesome.
Killian (34:03):
Well, I look forward to hanging out.
NorCal Guy (34:04):
We'll have that steak this time all right, right
, right, right, for sure.
Uh, cool.
Well, you take care, enjoy yourevening and we'll talk soon
thanks, man really appreciate itbye, norcalguy.
Intro (34:36):
Who is this guy?
Norcal and Chill Podcast whatthe chill, what the chill.
Norcal and Chill Podcast.
So it's chill time.
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Norcal and Chill Podcast whatthe chill, what the chill.
Who is this?
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Norcal guy.
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Norcal and chill podcast Show.
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What the sh, what the shil,what the shil, your Cal and Shil
podcast.
So it's shil time.
NorCal Guy (00:28):
Your Cal and Shil podcast what the shil, what the
shil.
Today's guest is Killian Moore.
Killian is an Irish-born NewYork City-based cityscape,
landscape and aerialphotographer.
After living in New York for 12years, killian picked up a
camera to view the city from adifferent perspective.
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Initially, he was self-taughtand then he connected with other
local photographers throughInstagram, where he met some of
his biggest influences andmentors.
After about a year, he beganhis love affair with flying over
the city and shooting newperspectives from doors off
helicopters.
He is now an in-flight aerialphotography instructor with
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Wings Air Helicopters.
In 2019, killian found his loveof the night sky and began
taking deep spaceastrophotography images.
This new endeavor included asteep learning curve that
involved automating acomputer-controlled
astrophotography images.
This new endeavor included asteep learning curve that
involved automating acomputer-controlled
astrophotography rig.
Always up for the challenge,killian researched and networked
(01:33):
for months to improve hisimaging and workflow.
Still a work in progress.
His astrophotography continuesto drive him deeper into new
areas of photography.
Continues to drive him deeperinto new areas of photography.
In early 2021, killian beganresearching the emerging field
of NFTs.
The new form of crypto art hasintrigued and driven him to
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break into the NFT market.
The crypto art space opens upmany new opportunities for all
artists and Killian is excitedto have joined the movement near
its inception.
Everyone, please welcomeKillian.
Hey, killian, welcome to thepodcast.
How are you doing today?
Killian (02:11):
GM.
How are you doing?
NorCal Guy (02:13):
Doing good, doing good.
It's a nice day no rain todayhere in Northern California and
just enjoying the weather.
Killian (02:20):
It's cold and wet and miserable in New York City today
.
No, I feel like it's alwayscold in the and miserable in New
York City today.
NorCal Guy (02:25):
Oh, I feel like it's always cold in the wintertime
in New York.
Killian (02:29):
Yeah, you can't complain.
If you live in New York City,you can't complain about the
cold in the winter or the hot inthe summer, because it's just
what you sign up for when youmove here.
NorCal Guy (02:36):
Right, right, yeah, so it's.
Let's see here.
It's like five o'clock overthere.
Killian (02:42):
Yeah, it's quitting time, it's like five o'clock
over there it's quitting time.
NorCal Guy (02:44):
It's quitting time About to go home.
I know it's just two, twoo'clock here.
My son's sleeping right now.
It's nap time and I'm justenjoying an interview, waiting
until, hopefully, he wakes uparound four.
Killian (02:57):
So oh nice, he gets a nice long nap yeah.
NorCal Guy (03:00):
Yeah, he's a good sleeper.
Killian (03:05):
My son should hang out with him, so he could teach him
how to sleep properly.
NorCal Guy (03:08):
Yeah, I don't know how we got lucky, but both our
kids just will sleep.
It's awesome.
Well, my daughter does not napanymore.
She like refuses, but they bothsleep through the night pretty
good, so that's been nice.
Killian (03:20):
Awesome.
NorCal Guy (03:21):
So I guess we could just jump into it.
Do you have a hardware walletand do you use your hardware
wallet?
Killian (03:27):
I do.
I have four hardware wallets.
Wow, I know you can makemultiple wallets in the one
ledger, but I like to keepeverything separate because I'm
a little OCD, so I bought fourdifferent ledgers.
NorCal Guy (03:39):
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that.
Killian (03:41):
I have one that's a freezer that just gets
transferred high value assetsand it sits there, it doesn't
connect to anything.
Then I have a warm ledger thatI'll use to connect for, like
claiming BAYC type of thingswhere you have to connect your
wallet to mint other stuff.
I have a ledger for my artcollection, for all the pieces
(04:05):
that I've collected.
I put all my art into oneledger and then I have one that
I put eat into and I don't lookat it.
I give it to my wife.
NorCal Guy (04:15):
Ah, good thing she doesn't know how to spend it yet
.
Killian (04:19):
Yeah, she's got no idea what the thing's for Nice.
NorCal Guy (04:24):
No, I like that because I mean mean, you guys
set it up in a way that makessense for you and that you'll
use it like for securitypurposes, or however responsibly
.
Killian (04:35):
Yeah, yeah, exactly yeah, and if that's like it's
nerve-wracking when you'resetting it up for the first time
and you're transferring assetsacross because, like anything in
web3, when you get into it it'sconvoluted.
There's not very manyinstructions out there and
you're just clicking a buttonand you're hoping things are
going where they're supposed tobe going right.
But once you get used to it youget more comfortable.
(04:56):
But you can't get complacent.
You have to remember that theyare security devices, that you
have to use them cautiously yeah, as long as you're using them,
however, your setup is that'sgood yeah, yeah so what were
your first thoughts when youheard about nfts and crypto art?
I was like what the hell?
This is amazing.
The thing that really kickednfts off for me was the
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royalties and perpetuity that Ithought that something special,
which we've since come to learnthat not everybody feels the
same way about it, but that wasa big draw to me.
And it was actually MikeSadowski, mindseye that brought
them.
It was him and Ill Concept,mike Spots.
Both of them brought NFTs to myattention and Mike had gotten
(05:45):
an invitation Minds, and Mikehad gotten an invitation Minds.
I had gotten an invitation toFoundation and he'd gotten extra
invitations.
Like, look, if I give you one,will you use it?
I'm like, why wouldn't I use it?
It's another possible source ofincome through my art.
I was like, why not?
What is there to lose?
And then I went into the big,deep rabbit hole of learning
(06:06):
about crypto and NFTs.
This was in March of 21.
Yeah, yeah, almost two fullyears, march of 21.
And it was just before the bigboom started.
So there wasn't very many peoplethat you could reach out and
talk to, especiallyphotographers.
There was only maybe 10 or 15photographers that were minting
(06:27):
work, and Mike was the only onethat I knew.
So we kind of navigated thelandscape, bouncing stuff off
each other, and then we metanother couple of photographers.
We all became like a think tanktogether.
One of them actually is adeveloper, so he understood Web3
and was able to point us FocusPirate, chris Kelly.
He was able to kind of give usa WebTree security brief and
(06:52):
do's and don'ts, which wasreally really helpful, because
it is so convoluted when youstart off and you just don't
know what you're doing For sure.
That's awesome.
So it really helps to find thegroup that are willing to help
you out when you get in.
NorCal Guy (07:07):
Yeah, no, it definitely seems like there's
like these groups of like peoplethat have been together from
their starting point, From dayone.
Yeah, and just like yeah and Imean, and the friendships have
just gotten stronger.
It seems like I mean it's beencool to watch and see.
Killian (07:23):
It's really cool.
The amount of people that Ihave met through nft is that I
was never exposed to before,right, but they become like
family members because we'vespent so much time talking and
navigating this space over thelast two years.
NorCal Guy (07:36):
Right, that's being really, really cool yeah, it's
funny because you're like Iwould never trust anyone on the
internet.
And now here we all aretrusting each other.
Killian (07:46):
Yeah, it's funny because my wife came to a lot of
the events for NFT NYC with melast year.
And she said it was just sointeresting being an outsider
looking into the dynamic of allof these people that have been
talking nonstop online for thelast 18 months meeting each
other for the first time, Right,and she was like it was just so
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interesting to see how peoplewere interacting.
But we're humans, so we are shywhen we meet.
Generally, most of us are shywhen we meet other people.
Even if you've spoken to thembefore on the phone or on the
internet.
NorCal Guy (08:21):
It's still a weird dynamic to meet somebody in
person, Right for sure,especially when it's all like
pfps and then you're like uh,who are?
Killian (08:31):
you.
Okay, that's what you look like, yeah yeah, for sure.
NorCal Guy (08:39):
Oh.
So why did you choose art?
What brought you to photography?
Killian (08:44):
so I got into photography about seven years
ago.
I had to quit drinking.
I had some health issues.
I was getting pancreatitis fromdrinking and I was told I'd get
pancreatic cancer if I didn'tstop drinking.
And that was that was likealarm bells.
Okay, just stop.
So I stopped drinking.
(09:05):
And when I stopped drinking Istopped my other hobby, which
was making beer.
I made beer that's what I didin my free time and I needed
something to fill that void.
I had a friend in New York Citythat had gotten into photography
.
He said why don't you just geta camera and come out with me
and shoot?
I was like, okay, I can do that.
So my wife bought me a camerafor my birthday and it just took
(09:26):
over from there.
Really, it just I startedseeing the city in a whole new
light.
I had lived in new york for 13years or so at that stage.
Okay, but when I had startwalking around with a camera, I
started seeing the citydifferently.
It was a different experience.
When you're documenting theeveryday life of new york, which
(09:48):
is what I was doing.
I was just walking aroundneighborhoods taking pictures.
I wasn't setting up for the biggrand postcard shots that I
have since learned how to do.
I was literally just wanderingthe streets snapping pictures of
interesting things that I saw,and before that I had just been
a regular New Yorker who wastrying to get from point A to
(10:08):
point B as quick as possible andpushing people out of the way
to get there and not payingattention to what was going on
around me in the city.
But when you slow down and youstart looking for stuff through
a camera, it looks totallydifferent.
NorCal Guy (10:22):
Right?
No, it's true, it's very true.
Killian (10:25):
And I just got hooked Within the first week.
I was just hooked.
I was like this is amazing.
And then I start posting oninstagram and I start getting a
following on instagram and Istart.
I started getting into.
There was a.
I'm not so involved ininstagram anymore because I just
think it's become baby tiktokand if you don't publish videos,
you don't get seen.
I didn't pick up a camera tomake videos and pick up a camera
(10:47):
and take pictures, so I kind ofshied away from instagram for
the last couple years.
But there was a big, strong newyork city instagram community.
So I start meeting up withpeople like paul sybert
beholding eye and some otherpeople that aren't in web3 and
they just became friends and Istart learning from them and I
really just got hooked.
(11:07):
It just just became part of mylife at that stage.
NorCal Guy (11:10):
Nice I like that.
Yeah, I just recently picked upa camera this past summer and I
definitely got hooked on itmore than I was expecting.
It's been fun.
Killian (11:22):
It is.
It's a lot of fun.
It can be frustrating at timesas well, especially when it
doesn't come off the way thatyou had envisioned it and you
have to figure out what you did.
Wrong, right, and when you takethat camera out of automatic
and you start messing aroundwith the settings and knowing
how to use your camera.
It can be frustrating at thestart, but it's very rewarding
when you put the time in forsure, definitely is.
NorCal Guy (11:43):
I mean one thing, I mean just from my perspective,
that has been like I have dialson my camera, so it's not I
don't have, so it has thatreally tactile feel and has live
view.
So, as you're like learning,you can the triangle, the light
triangle I don't even rememberwhat it's called right now.
Anyways, you can like livepreview, like okay, how to do
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this?
This changes and it's very.
Killian (12:07):
oh yeah, you can see in the EVF.
You can see the exposureschange and stuff.
Yeah yeah, oh, you got one ofthose fancy Leicas didn't you?
Intro (12:17):
That's Pete's fault.
NorCal Guy (12:19):
I have one of those.
I did pick up a Fuji X100V aswell.
Killian (12:23):
Oh nice.
NorCal Guy (12:24):
So that's been fun too.
Killian (12:25):
I want to get my hands on one of them.
NorCal Guy (12:26):
Yeah, I got lucky.
I found it used on like KEH,like mint condition.
I was like no one's buying this.
I'm buying it right now.
Awesome.
What jobs have you done alongthe way?
Killian (12:41):
Oh my God, I've done so many jobs in my life.
When I was 11 or 12, my sisterhad gotten a ghetto blaster for
Christmas.
I was like why didn't I get aghetto blaster for Christmas?
Because you've got to bike,gotta bite young, grateful
little shit.
And I said I want a ghettoblaster.
And they said if you want aghetto blaster, you you have to
(13:02):
get a job and you save up enoughmoney to pay for half of it.
We'll pay for the other half.
Okay, so I've had odd jobssince I was 11 or 12.
Tough love ir Irish mammies.
They really set you up for lifewith their tough love.
So I had a paper round I wouldcut people's lawns, I would trim
(13:26):
their hedges.
Then I worked in a dry cleanersfor three or four years, during
the summers when I was off fromschool and at the weekends, big
dry cleaners warehouse factory.
I was the gopher.
I basically did whatever theytold me to do.
Professionally I did anelectrical apprenticeship in
(13:47):
Ireland.
I'm a licensed and qualifiedelectrician.
NorCal Guy (13:50):
Oh nice.
Killian (13:50):
I did that in New York City for seven or eight years
and then I got into.
I'm now a building manager.
I manage a residentialcondominium.
Okay, so you name it.
NorCal Guy (14:01):
I've probably done it Nice.
I like it.
I like the variety.
Killian (14:05):
Yeah, you got to try a little bit of everything.
I'm like I think that's why Ilike art, because I'm good with
my hands.
I, I'm like I.
I think that's why I I like art, because I'm good with my hands
.
I can make things.
I'm a logical thinking personso I can figure out the need to
figure out something works.
I can figure it out and I canmake it work, or I can.
I just have that type of brain,yeah, and I've always, if I, if
I'm not doing something, I'mbored.
NorCal Guy (14:32):
And when I'm bored is when I'm at my most dangerous
to myself I get idle handsRight.
Killian (14:34):
No, no, I feel you on that.
So I've always done somethingor want to be doing something,
learning something new.
NorCal Guy (14:39):
That's awesome.
It's always good to beexpanding learning.
I love that part.
Killian (14:43):
Yeah, someone said to me once every day is a school
day and if you're not learning,you're not doing it right.
Ooh, that's a good one.
I like it.
So you always got to try andkeep improving on yourself and
your knowledge, for sure.
NorCal Guy (14:57):
Yeah, it's a huge.
I mean it's fun and I mean itkeeps you thinking.
You got to keep thinking, yeah.
So if you were an animal, whatwould you be and why?
Killian (15:09):
I hate this question, you know.
I've given it some thought.
I've listened to other people'sresponses.
I still am not a hundredpercent sure.
I think I'd be an eagle because, you know, I like being above
places taking pictures, so Ilike looking down on things and
seeing things from a differentangle.
I also like the solitudebecause I'm kind of an introvert
(15:30):
but I'm also I do like havingthose close to me around me, so
kind of a pack animal as wellwhen I have my pack around me.
So maybe a wolf, so an eagle ora wolf.
NorCal Guy (15:42):
Okay, those work.
They both work.
I like them.
Killian (15:45):
Yeah, what animal would you be?
I know you've been asked thisbefore.
NorCal Guy (15:56):
Do you give the same answer every time?
I do give the same answer everytime.
Trying to trip you up here, Iknow I've tried that.
Killian (16:00):
I've thought about switching it up I'm like no, I'm
just gonna stick with theoctopus, it's a good one.
It's a good one as well.
I thought about being a whale,because, like you're the
solitude under the ocean, you'reseeing a different side of of
planet earth.
There's some fascinatingcreatures out there, though, as
well, that like imagine being acentipede and having all those
legs and crawling over bushesand avoiding humans.
(16:21):
Right right, everybody picks ananimal at the top of the food
chain.
Nobody picks an animal that'slow on the food chain that's
true, oh man.
NorCal Guy (16:32):
Well, do you have a favorite food?
Speaking of food chain, I likecomfort food.
Killian (16:38):
There's no one particular dish that I could
pick out, like steaks, sushi,but I also like home cooking
cabbage and potatoes.
Just I like.
NorCal Guy (16:49):
I just like good food, it's like I mean I see
some of those pictures in therca rcsa of some I like I, I
like to cook, but it's funny Idon't like to cook for myself.
Killian (17:04):
I only like to cook when there's other people going
to be eating with me.
Uh, okay, so I like I won't goand make myself a nice elaborate
meal.
If I'm home alone, right, I'lleat crap, I'll eat junk out of
the presses, but if you're in myhouse and you're hungry, I'll
cook as a five course meal,because I just I like cooking
for people.
And this goes back to workingwith my hands and being good at
(17:24):
things.
Like I'm actually a pretty goodcook and I can figure out how
to make a good dish.
NorCal Guy (17:29):
So come over to my house, I'll cook you dinner all
right, sounds good like a gooddish, so come over to my house.
Killian (17:34):
I'll cook you dinner.
All right, sounds like a goodplan to me.
It's a date.
NorCal Guy (17:38):
I feel like you've given a good piece of advice
earlier, but if you had analternate, what's the best piece
of advice you've been given?
Killian (17:48):
If you're going to do a job, do it right the first time
.
Yeah, that's a solid one, andit was explained to me that if
you're going to take your timeto try and do something, take
all the time you need to do thatthing right, because if you
don't do it right the first time, you're going to spend more
time coming back trying to fixit.
NorCal Guy (18:08):
Right, that's very true.
Killian (18:10):
And time is one of the most valuable assets that we
have.
NorCal Guy (18:15):
Yeah, and it seems like, well, we don't realize
that until we're older, when ourtime actually is more valuable.
Killian (18:23):
Yeah, it really.
If someone's late for a meeting, it really annoys me because,
like you're now, wasting my timeand I could be doing other
productive things with my timeFor sure.
So I think time is one of themost important assets that we
have and we have to use itwisely, yes, and productively.
Don't fuck up making yourselfhaving to go back and do things
(18:43):
over and over and over again.
NorCal Guy (18:45):
Just take the time and do it right yeah, do you
have advice for artists joiningthe NFT space?
Killian (18:53):
Take your time.
Oh man, there's so much.
It's like really, just takeyour time.
Don't just because you haveworked to mint doesn't mean that
you should mint it immediately.
We all have, especiallyphotographers.
We have thousands of pictures.
It doesn't mean that you needto go and mint them all
immediately.
Take your time.
Learn about web3, learn aboutwallets transactions.
(19:17):
Find a group of people,like-minded people, that are
willing to help you, and 90 ofthe people that are in web3 are
willing to help you.
Very true, all you got to do isreach out and ask them and
they'll respond to you that theyare willing to help you or
they'll point you.
They could point you towardssomebody else who has better
(19:39):
knowledge and what you'relooking for.
Right, but really education,because there's so much to learn
and I know everything happenssuper fast in nfts, but we are
cliche, but we are so early thatyou have time.
Just take it.
Yeah, learn, learn and goslowly.
NorCal Guy (19:58):
Yeah, solid.
Killian (20:00):
Yeah, and like really security.
I think is a big thing, becauseso many new people into the
space unfortunately get trickedwith phishing scams.
Or click on bad links becausethey're excited because it could
be it looks like their firstsale, oh yeah.
Or click on bad links becausethey're excited because it looks
like their first sale.
So just take it slow andeducate yourself before you jump
in with two feet.
NorCal Guy (20:21):
Yeah, for sure.
Killian (20:23):
And reach out.
My DMs are open to everybody.
If anybody needs any advice,please feel free to reach out.
NorCal Guy (20:28):
Yeah, definitely do.
Utilize those resources whenyou can.
Killian (20:32):
Yeah, there's so many people willing to help.
I know because I've reached outto so many people asking advice
over the last two years andI've maybe once or twice I
haven't gotten responses frompeople.
Yeah, the rest of the time,everybody is more than willing
to help.
NorCal Guy (20:45):
Yes, they are.
So if you could live or moveanywhere, where would you live,
and why?
Killian (20:52):
I would live in a Norvy .
Ah, I haven't heard that oneyet.
I would live in a Norvy and Iwould travel.
That's my retirement goal.
It always has been a dream ofmine to travel to the United
States and not have to worryabout work.
So I would buy a Norvy and Iwould just travel, and I would
probably extend that to beingable to travel to Europe, and I
would probably extend that tobeing able to travel to Europe.
(21:14):
I would like to see as much ofthis world as I can before.
I'm not here anymore, so I'd bea nomad.
NorCal Guy (21:21):
I like it.
That's pretty solid.
I know my wife and I wanted to,when the kids get like a couple
years older, like either get anRV or rent one and do like a
few road trips around the US.
Killian (21:34):
Yeah, we're going to be doing that probably.
Maybe next year my parents willcome out.
I want to do Highway 1.
That's really high on my list.
Oh yeah, yeah so, but there'sso many places in the.
United States that are just.
I was just in Utah this pastApril or May, whenever it was,
(21:54):
and it's just like there's somuch to see in this country that
you could literally probablyspend 30 years traveling and
still not see everything.
NorCal Guy (21:59):
Yeah, there really is a lot, I mean even around
where I live, I mean we.
I mean, it's granted, when youlive somewhere you tend not to
see the things around you.
But I know there's a ton ofthings around us that we could
go see, that are awesome, but wejust haven't done it.
But there's just so much.
Killian (22:18):
Yeah, it's really amazing.
It's funny that you say thatwhen you live in a place, you
don't go and see it.
Like we were just talking aboutbringing my kids doing a road
trip in Ireland and there's somuch of Ireland that I haven't
seen because when you live in,as you said, if you live in in a
place, you don't go and do thetouristy things right.
So I'm actually looking forwardto going doing a road trip in
(22:40):
ireland with my kids becausethere's so many of.
I've never kissed the blarneystone.
I probably won't now anyway,but I've never been to the
blarney stone.
I've never seen the cliffs ofmoher.
I've never been to the giant'scauseway, the beautiful basalt
rock formation, oh yeah, andfrom so like there's so much I
haven't seen that.
I'm looking forward to gettingto go and be a tourist.
That's awesome one of thesedays that sounds great.
NorCal Guy (23:03):
Do you have any questions for me?
Killian (23:05):
I do so you've acquired a reputation as a genesis
sniper.
Uh-huh.
Do you feel pressure now fromthe community, because you've
been so hot on getting people'sgenesis, to buy genesis from
people?
NorCal Guy (23:21):
well, I guess it also depends, I mean so.
So I mean, yes, there'sdifferent, like people like
claim different genesis, likethey're first on foundation and
then they're first on super rareand then they're first on this
platform.
Right, and it's kind of funnyto me Cause like I, I mean I'll
go grab it if it's like a firstand I like it, but I guess I
(23:44):
would prefer like their veryfirst, like ever, if I can get
it, which there's not very manyof those out unless yeah, I did
see.
Killian (23:55):
you got Paul Nicklin's one though.
NorCal Guy (23:57):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Well, that was like yeah, I gotlike three of those.
I'm thinking about grabbinganother one from someone else
Because, like I don't know whypeople aren't bidding on those.
I mean that's like so.
(24:24):
I mean that's part of mythinking is like why, when I
want to buy someone's work, Ilike to look at their past,
their history, to see howcommitted they are to their
craft.
To begin with, initially, theredefinitely was a lot of just
people throwing stuff up andjust seeing if people would buy
it.
Killian (24:32):
Yeah.
NorCal Guy (24:33):
But those people have shown their commitment to
their craft, shown that they'resuccessful and have made it.
They've put in the work.
So it seems like an easy.
Why would I not do that?
Killian (24:46):
Seems like a no-brainer right.
NorCal Guy (24:50):
Yeah, exactly so.
Yeah, I was surprised that Igot those with no hassle at all.
Killian (24:56):
Fantastic pieces, yeah.
So the second part of myquestion because you buy so many
Genesis, does it affect yourbuying of other work?
NorCal Guy (25:07):
Does that make sense .
What do you mean exactly byaffect your other Like I won't?
Killian (25:14):
buy a piece?
No, because you see so manygenesis pieces.
Is your attention drawn awayfrom other work that is out
there, or do you spend an equalamount of time browsing all of
all work?
NorCal Guy (25:24):
oh yeah.
So I mean these days I, how Isee stuff, is through
notifications.
I don't like browse twitter orscroll it, I'll just like see
what notifications I get fromlike a few people that I follow
for, like retweets or whatnot.
So, like there's a few people Ifollow, I'm like all right, I
(25:46):
think they will probably beretweeting good work or have
like say good things here andthere.
So those are the people I havelike notification turned on for.
So I'll just, you know, try andquickly go through that
throughout the day here andthere and see if anything pops
up.
And that's generally how I seestuff.
Or if someone DMs me like, hey,check out this.
Killian (26:09):
Right, that's a good hack as well.
I have notification turned onfor some accounts as well.
It's a good hack to curate aseparate feed for Twitter as
well.
NorCal Guy (26:16):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, initially I was goingto make like lists, like to
scroll through, but then I waslike that's just it takes so
much time.
Yeah, yeah.
So part of it is like that'shard, is the space is really
good at retweeting otherpeople's work?
That's hard, is the space isreally good at retweeting other
(26:38):
people's work?
So if you're like, have a likea Twitter list that you would
want to go through, and if allthose people are retweeting all
this different work, you're like, wow, there's not.
Like you're just seeing a lotof retweets.
Killian (26:48):
Basically, Right, you're seeing the same content
over and over, and over and over.
NorCal Guy (26:51):
Yeah Right, yeah right makes sense which it's
always like uh, it's like thisweird, like it's awesome.
Everyone's retweeting work, andsometimes I saw this like if I
go to someone's profile, I'mlike man, where's their tweet?
Killian (27:05):
because it's so many retweets, but yeah, that is the
one, that is the one drawback onTwitter, but it is great that
so many artists support so manyother artists.
It is, it is and it's becausewe all believe in the space of
what we're building and we wantto see it succeed.
NorCal Guy (27:24):
Very true, yeah, yeah.
And I wouldn't say to stopdoing that.
It just, I guess, make sure youhave a very solid pinned tweet
that's always up to date.
Killian (27:36):
Yeah, yeah, guess, make sure you have a very solid pin
tweet that's always up to date.
Yeah, yeah, and they got rid of.
I have a twitter moment, whichwas great because you could
group a whole load of tweetstogether.
Oh, yeah you're rated that way,but they got rid of moments,
moments.
Now my moment is still my pintweet, but I can't update it
anymore.
Oh, got it.
So elon Elon's ruining it forus.
NorCal Guy (27:57):
Well, things are being experimented.
Do you have any other questions?
Killian (28:02):
Are you still having?
NorCal Guy (28:02):
fun in the space.
Yes, I will say, the hard partis I miss a lot of DMs, and it's
just today.
I had another interview earliertoday and I went to send like
the link for like the zen casterlink and I was like, oh dude, I
didn't even see that you'dmessaged me, like it's weird
(28:26):
that I, you know, like you're inthis space and it just I hate
the twitter dm so much becauseyou, it's just like whatever, if
you're in any group chats oranything, those are at the top
and you can't like you have toleave them, you can't like
ignore them because they'realways at the top and whatever
is recent is at the top.
Killian (28:45):
There's no way to sort by unread, right yeah?
NorCal Guy (28:48):
So that's really frustrating.
So I miss a lot of DMs, which Ifeel that part makes me a
little like I feel bad, becauseI feel like I'm not purposely
ignoring people, it's justbecause you get all these dms
and then, like your screen onlyfits like what is it like?
10?
maybe, yeah, if that yeah and ifyou get 10 dms and like
(29:11):
overnight or whatever, you'regonna miss a lot of dms, like
especially as they start comingin, or yeah, it sucks.
I wish there was another way.
That's the only part I hateabout the space, because I'm
like damn it.
I feel like an ass sometimesbecause I honestly don't see dms
yeah, I'm the same like I'mlike.
Killian (29:29):
I can't even imagine what your dms are like.
Mine are a mess.
NorCal Guy (29:32):
I can't imagine what yours are like but yeah, yeah,
but I mean it's fun, I like thespace, I like talking with
people, so that's, it's beenreally nice.
I definitely, you know, try andbe careful about who I open DMs
with, cause I don't want to getinto a DM.
That's like very time consumingat this point.
Like there's the people that Ienjoy talking to this point,
(29:53):
like there's the people that Ienjoy talking to, and then I'm
like I don't know how much morebandwidth I have but it is what
it is.
Killian (30:00):
Yeah, it's a fun space.
It can be.
It can take its toll.
That's actually should beanother piece of advice for new
artists just have fun, don't letit.
It's easier said than done, butthe space can weigh on you and
sales can weigh on you.
It's not about sales.
It's about making a communityand making the space work and
try and have some fun whenyou're doing it yeah, and don't
(30:23):
spend all day on twitter like,yeah, you don't need to be on
twitter all day.
NorCal Guy (30:27):
Yeah, it's, I know some people do and it's like I I
don't know how you got to getother stuff done or go out, walk
a little bit.
I was just in Tahoe the lastthree days and it was just good
to get out.
I mean, I posted a couple oftweets, but I was not checking
DMs.
I was just out enjoying thesnow.
(30:49):
So definitely get out and be inthe moment For sure, because as
much as uh, these people onlineare awesome and they are good
friends, like you're making realfriendships, but you gotta
remember those people that areactually in your life every day.
Yeah, around you, yeah, cool.
Well, do you have any shoutouts or any upcoming projects?
Killian (31:10):
I have a few things in the pipeline, nothing confirmed
yet, but one of my goals forthis year, I want to get in the
fake rare directory.
NorCal Guy (31:18):
I want to make a this year oh so I had.
Killian (31:22):
I had an awesome pepe made and then I had I shared it
with someone some of the higherups in the pepe community and
they loved it.
They wanted to be made into acard, but my dumb ass didn't
look at the file specificationsbefore making the card and what
(31:43):
I did was I used a landscapephotoshop and made the card out
of that uh and it just won'twork.
I just can't make it work forspecific requirements for a pepe
, so I have to go back to the.
Yeah, I have a few ideas.
I've been throwing ideas aroundthere, but, like one of my big
goals for this year, I want tobe in that directory nice,
that'll be fun so it's such acool community I know you're
(32:06):
deep in it as well.
It's just the vibe is awesome.
They're just.
NorCal Guy (32:10):
It's just a bunch of really fun loving people yeah,
for sure, I mean, and someseries eight was just insane
some of really fun-loving people?
Killian (32:16):
Yeah, for sure.
And Series 8 was just insane.
Some of the art that's comingout of it is just amazing.
NorCal Guy (32:20):
Yeah, the vibe at the Pepe galleries has always
been just chill, hang out, chat.
It's been nice.
Killian (32:26):
Yeah, they're really fun people, so that's one of my
goals for this year Shout-outs.
I'll just say hello to my justchilling family.
They know who they are griftercommunity as well.
That's one that I'm lucky enoughto be part of.
Grifters are grifters are goingto grift and they're a tight
bunch of people and they'rereally, really awesome.
And just to everybody whointeracts with me every single
day and supports my art andappreciates my art, I thank you
(32:51):
for being part of this journey.
It's it, it means a lot, andwouldn't be here without
everybody's support every singleday.
NorCal Guy (32:57):
Nice, I like it.
That's pretty solid.
Well, killian, thank you somuch for your time and spending
this interview with me.
Killian (33:06):
It's been awesome, man.
It made me really happy whenyou sent me the DM and asked me
to be on Love what you do.
NorCal Guy (33:11):
You're a great community member and happy to be
able to jump on here and have achat with you I know, I know, I
know, I think, if it's feellike it's been since the early,
early on, I don't know whatever.
What was that summer of like 21, I don't know when.
That was when I jumped intothat rcsa discord yeah, I, I
(33:32):
came in just after you.
Killian (33:33):
Oh, you did okay yeah, they're another good bunch of
people as well.
Shout out to the rcsa discordpeople you know who you are.
Yeah, it's been really fun toget to know you thanks for all
you do in the community becauseyou really are a stand, stand-up
.
NorCal Guy (33:46):
Member of the community well, thanks, I
appreciate that and I appreciateyou know all that you've been
doing and putting out and Ican't wait to I hope we get the
hang of you.
Killian (33:56):
Are you coming to nft nyc?
NorCal Guy (33:58):
yes, that's the plan currently.
Yes, this is, it is on thecalendar awesome.
Killian (34:03):
Well, I look forward to hanging out.
NorCal Guy (34:04):
We'll have that steak this time all right, right
, right, right, for sure.
Uh, cool.
Well, you take care, enjoy yourevening and we'll talk soon
thanks, man really appreciate itbye, norcalguy.
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