June 19, 2025 • 33 mins
What happens when life's darkest moments lead to unexpected creative awakening? In this engaging conversation with Juicy Julio (JJ), we explore how a simple family trip to Morocco planted the seeds for a passionate journey into photography that would later become his salvation during the isolation of COVID lockdowns.
JJ shares the deeply personal story of how photography emerged as his emotional lifeline after losing family members during the pandemic. Unable to attend funerals or say proper goodbyes, he discovered that his camera became the channel through which he could transform grief and negativity into creative expression. This accidental photographer, who is also a chemical engineer by profession, draws fascinating parallels between his scientific work and his artistic pursuits.
The conversation takes us through JJ's varied experiences - from flipping burgers at a local restaurant (mainly for the free food!) to his current work in chemistry. His thoughtful approach to Web3 reveals a commitment to security (maintaining two separate hardware wallets) and community building that extends to his creative practice. Despite being relatively new to the NFT space, JJ offers valuable insights for artists entering the ecosystem: take time to understand the technology, build genuine connections beyond simple transactions, and remember the humans behind the profile pictures.
What makes this episode special is the vulnerability and authenticity JJ brings to the table. His father's advice - "don't make emotional decisions" - has shaped his approach to both art and investment. Looking ahead, JJ shares his plans for giving back to supporters through special drops and a carefully curated standalone collection, embodying the community-first ethos that makes Web3 a unique space for creators.
Whether you're an aspiring photographer, NFT enthusiast, or simply someone looking for inspiration on turning personal challenges into creative opportunities, JJ's journey offers valuable lessons on patience, intentionality, and finding light in unexpected places. Subscribe now and follow along as we continue to spotlight the stories of creators redefining their creative paths through Web3.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Who is this?
Who is this guy?
Norcal guy.
Norcal guy.
Norcal guy.
Norcal guy.
Norcal guy.
Norcal and chill podcast Showwith a chill time NorCal and
(00:21):
chill podcast.
What the sh, what the sh?
Norcal and chill podcast Showwith a chill time NorCal and
Shill Podcast.
What the shill, what the shill,norcal and Shill Podcast.
So it's shill time, norcal and.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Shill Podcast what the shill, what the shill.
Hey everyone, welcome to thenext episode of NorCal and Shill
.
Today we have Juicy Julio.
Jj is an accidentalphotographer based in Germany
that didn't realize photographywould be a new passion that he
really enjoys.
26 years later, he is amusician, an engineer and now a
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two-year-old photographer.
His vision is to share hisjourney into the unexplored
creative side of his mind,hoping that it will empower new
artists.
For starters, he's exploringlandscape travel and minimalism
photography, learning oneshutter at a time and
documenting it with the power ofWeb3.
Everybody, please welcome JuicyJulio.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Hey JJ.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Welcome to the podcast.
How are you doing today?
Jj LeBleu 1.0.
Hey guy, thanks so much forhaving me.
I'm doing fine.
It's like 11pm right now whereI am so kind of late, but super
tired, very stoked to be here,so it's an honor, thanks yeah,
no, I'm glad we could do this.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Oh, you know, it's been fun ever since I guess ever
since you joined the discord.
Yeah, that's where I first metyou, I think yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
That wasn't like like three months ago, february?
Yeah, right, so like in theclick rate discord.
Yeah, no, that was cool.
Uh, it's a vibe in there.
Yeah, definitely love it.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
For sure, for sure, yeah, it's a good time and we
had a great time in New York.
For sure.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Oh, those biscuits, oh damn, those were good.
I mean speaking of biscuits,actually, I kid you not, I had
two biscuits before this podcast, right now.
So just to like okay, you know,snack up and get some energy
before, before this.
So yeah, good, good times andgood memories, for sure, awesome
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.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
All right, cool, cool Good, we're ready to go, we're
ready to go.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
We're ready to roll.
So the question do you have anduse a hardware wallet?
You know this question shouldbe illegal at this point in time
, like considering how long orhow much we've, you know, been
through in this space.
But yes, I indeed do have notonly one but two hardware
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wallets, because I'm apsychopath and I'm paranoid and
I'm super ocd, so I have to keepeverything like in place and
categorize them.
So, um, yeah, I have like asuper cold vault which I've
never, ever connected um anyonline, um the the app at all.
(03:05):
So I just like you know, if Icollect anything, I will just
directly transfer it there anddone, that's it.
And so, actually, my first onewas the ledger, I don't know,
nano X, so this was thisBluetooth function thing, cause
I thought I could use it with myphone.
But I was like no, I don't wantto use, like you know, web
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tweet stuff on my phone, likeconsidering all the security and
all the malware and all thatstuff.
So I was like, well, I got itnow.
So like whatever, so I just usethat for, you know, like the
discord verification for theroles and all that stuff, and
you know it's kind of like mylukewarm wallet.
So, yeah, yeah, so I havedefinitely have to.
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At first I was like what thehell is the hardware wallet?
You know, it looks like a usbstick and I thought you actually
like stick it into yourcomputer or something.
But I just didn't get it.
And, uh, I looked at Ledger andlearned about them.
They look so cool so I have tohave one.
It costs like $80 or so.
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That's huge.
Compared to other stuff that wecollect, it's way worth it.
If you just get one, you'regood to go.
You don't need to worry, youcan sleep right.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So, that's a good.
That's a plus, For sure, forsure.
It's definitely worth theinvestment for the extra
security.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, exactly, people like underestimate that.
But I think now a lot of peoplethat I've talked to or met at
least have a hardware wallet, sothat's a good sign for us,
right For sure.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
What were your first thoughts when you heard about
the crypto art space?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
the crypto art space.
To be honest, like I don't knowhow to react because I I I saw
this word nft, uh, and you knowthe whole people sale thing and
I don't even know how I got thatacross.
I think I was just like on onthe internet and I just saw the
news, like somebody just sold ajpeg for that amount of money
and I was like what on earth isgoing on, like I mean, like what
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is going on?
so I was like super curious andum, started digging this word
nft and googled it, obviously,and like everybody else did, and
still didn't get it.
What the hell is a non-fungibletoken?
So like what's fungible?
You know that's like fungi,like food or something Like it's
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such a weird word, right?
So I just got super intriguedinto it and started digging
about it, learning about it.
Into it and start digging aboutit, uh, learning about it.
And then somehow I ended up inthis black hole of jacob
regland's um nft thing, likecourse he was promoting okay.
(06:16):
So I looked at it I was likeokay okay, um, so I told myself,
like I'm just gonna trysomething that I've never done
before, no knowledge of, andjust freaking ape into this.
So, um, I mean, like beforethis, like I, I heard about
crypto, right.
(06:36):
So, back in I don't know when,was this like 20, I don't know,
12, or maybe even earlier, Idon't know, but I completely
ignored it and, right andlooking at it right now, it's
like damn, I could have, likeyou know, made some nice profits
here and there.
Um, and I was okay.
Well, then I told myself, thistime something popped up.
(06:59):
I'm just gonna dive into it andnot miss this chance and take a
risk.
So, yeah, and then I startedthis, this course, with jacob,
and then everything just went,everything was his history.
So, uh, it was amazing.
Yeah, I, I'm not regretting itat all.
So, yeah, super, got, I found,found this, uh, this whole
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little community that we have onthe internet.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
So, yeah, for sure this is nice, that's a nice
group of people, for sure 100.
So why did you choose art?
What brought you to photography?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
this is very yeah cliche.
I mean a lot of people say,yeah, art chose me.
All the photography came to mebut it did like it actually did
like I don't know.
It's it's freaking cliche, um,but it just happened to me.
I think I mentioned this in inthe type of ones podcast as well
(07:59):
.
Um, it was during like I'm notgonna go through all the details
, but, like summary, like youknow, I went traveling with my
brothers and I didn't have acamera back then, right so
because I didn't know I wouldwant to go into photography, so
I had to document this wholetrip with my brothers.
It's like our first like solobrother script, like three of us
, and we were in morocco, so,and it's such a cool country,
(08:24):
and we were like you know, wehave to document this.
You know, send it to ourparents just to be, you know,
let them see that we're havingfun and we're not like getting
kidnapped or anything or fallingoff a cliff or whatever, just
like sharing those moments withthem.
So I just started takingpictures of the whole trip and
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then it just happened Like afterthe trip, um, I just, you know,
I didn't look back, I justshared the photos with my
parents and my friends and thatwas it.
But a lot of them have beensaying like, yeah, you have the
eye for it.
And I was like my for what, likethey said, photography, I was
like, okay, cool, I completelyignored that.
(09:05):
It was kind of like foolish ofme to just like ignore that, I
think, because I mean I wasworking oh, I am still working.
But at that time I was superlike really, really busy.
And only after two years thattrip I realized like, okay, this
is, this is the moment, because, you know, during the whole
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covid lockdown, um, you know,shit got got carried away and
it's like really it was a toughtime for a lot of people and I
had losses of family members aswell during those time and I
couldn't even say goodbye or my,my last words, or even you know
why I didn't do a funeralbecause of all the lockdown.
(09:48):
So I was like in a very very,very dark quicksand, I would say
.
So I was buried, but I couldn'tsee the light.
I was, I wouldn't say,depressed.
I tried to, like, keep myselfpositive, but I didn't feel
myself at all and it reallyaffected me.
So photography was the only wayI could channel my negativity
(10:13):
into creativity.
So that was one of theeye-opening moments for me, when
I first looked back at thepictures of what I took in
Morocco and then I was like,okay, there is something, let's
try to find out what this is.
So since then, like 2019, Ijust, yeah, discovered my
(10:38):
unfounded passion forphotography.
So it just all came alongunplanned and spontaneously.
So, yeah, and since then I fellin love with it.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, that's good.
Yeah, good to fall back in lovewith it.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So what jobs have you done along the way, you know,
with all the summer holidays andall that, I was actually
working in a burger restaurant,so flipping burgers and um
assembling them so I I lovecooking a lot, so and this
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burger restaurant is like one ofthe best around my area.
So I applied, uh, and theyaccepted me like immediately.
So I was like, yes, I get toeat free burgers.
That was the whole point, like.
I mean, like money wise it'sgood, it's fine, like I get the,
the minimum wage and all that,but I just want free burgers,
free food.
They do this so nice burger,really, really nice ones.
(11:46):
They have one called the ElvisBurger, which is with PB and jam
.
I mean, it sounds weird but it'snice, it works.
The salty and the sweetness.
I worked in a burger restaurantwaiting as a waiter flipping
burgers From the front end tothe back end.
(12:08):
I've done restaurant stuff.
So, yeah, I definitely enjoyedit a lot Nice, solid one.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
What are you doing for work now?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
right now I am a chemical engineer, so kind of
like cooking, so in the lab,like breaking bad.
I'm not always sending like the, the gif or the gif, I don't
know, we'll let the audiencedecide.
I always send this gif ofWalter White cooking, pouring
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with the glass and all that.
So yeah, and today we cook.
So yeah, kind of related.
So cooking chemistry, yeah,that's me.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Perfect.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
All right, that's cool, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
If you were an animal , what would you be and why?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
God, I love this question.
Oh man, you know what thisquestion?
Like my brother and I, we usedto give people their animal type
based on how they look as a kid.
So it's like it's so mean, it'slike we're so judgy and we
would just ask each other hey,what would you think that person
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would be, and why?
So exactly this question.
It was so funny and it bringsme so many childhood memories.
It's amazing.
I exactly this question.
It was so funny and it bringsme so many childhood memories.
It's amazing.
I love this question, but Iwould say a unicorn, but I want
something that exists in theworld.
So not a mythical creature, butfun fact, a unicorn is a symbol
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of the UK.
Did you know that?
I don't think so uk did?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
you know that I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I did not know that.
Yeah, so I mean, it appears um,in the full royal coat of arms
of the uk.
So it's it's on the passport aswell, like if you just google
like the uk passport, you willsee the freaking unicorn, which
is like insane.
That's I find it super cool.
So I love unicorns for whateverreason.
But like something non-mythical, um, I would say a narwhal.
(14:28):
Have you heard about that?
Oh yeah yep, yep, yeah, so kindof like a unicorn, but not
really.
It's like the underwater unicorn, um I have no idea why like
when I looked at this question,it, that animal just came right
at me.
Um, no idea, but I'm superobsessed with it, I mean ever
since I got my firstencyclopedia from my parents, uh
(14:50):
, back in the day when I was akid and I I just love flipping
through through those and I saw,like you know, the whole
underwater world section and Ilove the ocean a lot, so I got
fascinated about this creatureand I was like what the hell is
this?
It's like a freaking unicornbut it swims and I just find it
super interesting.
(15:11):
And, yeah, I don't know I wouldbe them, because they're just
cool, right, right.
Yeah, I don't know, I meantheir tooth.
Actually that sticks out fromwhat the tusk sticks up from
their um, actually from their,not even from their head,
actually like close to the lipor something.
It's actually their tooth andit's funny because they have so
(15:33):
many nervous system, like nerve,in the whole tusk and they use
that to sense or like it tellsthem the temperature of water,
even the saltiness as well, Ithink, if I'm not wrong.
It's crazy.
It's like a whole machine inthis little well, not little,
but this long tusk they have.
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So that's super cool that's socrazy.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
It is a crazy animal.
I want to see them in real lifeone day.
Oh yeah, that'd be cool, yeahdo you have?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
a favorite food yep, this is a very tough question.
I mean, I do love burgers, butit's such a difficult question
because I love food a lot.
I'm a huge foodie.
But I would say, havingtraveled to a couple of
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countries, I found what I reallylove and I think it's your
favorite food, actually Mexican.
Oh yeah, yeah I love mexicanfood it's so, it's so good, like
when I was in mexico, I think20, was it 20 or 2019?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I I I just got like I got mind blown.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Like the flavors and like the types of, you know, not
your typical tex-mex food, butlike the real, authentic Mexican
food.
Oh, I cannot get enough of them, like the tamales or the asados
and the tacos and like oh mygod, like don't even get me
started.
I'm like hungry right now at 11,30 in the night, but it's so.
I just love Mexican food somuch, but like I mean it's so.
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I just love Mexican food somuch, but like I mean it's so
hard to just nail it down to one.
But in terms of like savory, Iwould say Mexican food, but for
sweet, because I'm a huge sweettooth as well, I love pastries.
So Okay, and with your biscuitsyou just freaking converted me
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Because they're like pastries tome, because they have layers,
right, so I love love love them.
So pastries are the way to go.
All right, that's good stuff.
Good stuff, it's too good.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
What's the best piece of advice you've been given?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
so many, so many advice like oh, this is tough as
well, I would say.
I mean, I'm a very emotionalperson, as you know.
Um, you guys probably know bynow.
Um, but a lot of my decisionshave been made based on how I
feel and I've made a lot ofmistakes, and so this, this
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quote, or like this, this advice, will always stick to my head,
like it's for my dad and he'slike don't make emotional
decisions.
Don't make emotional decisions.
Like that will never, everleave my head, because I'm like
my mom if she's probablylistening to this she'll be like
oh my god, here we go again.
But, um, yeah, so I, me and mymom, we're like so emotional we
(18:53):
make, like you know, if we'relike happy or angry, we'll just,
like you know, decide likestraight there and then, but my
dad, he's super chill, very zen,and he would think about it and
then make the decision.
He's always telling us justdon't make emotional decisions,
because this applies to almosteverything in life.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Be it in Web3 or buying something that you don't
really need.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Do you have advice for artists joining the NFT
space?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah, for people I I mean, I don't know like I'm, I'm
like a fetus, I would say to alot of people in this space,
because I'm, I don't know, it'slike my eighth month right now
in this space.
So, like, really, really likeyoung, okay, but, um, yeah, I've
heard a lot of people say thisyou know, take your time, like
(20:01):
be patient.
It's easy, easier said thandone, right, but just take your
time and learn about theblockchain, like the technology
behind it, before even likeminting anything or you know,
just have a feel how things workand just understand the
foundation of this wholeplatform that we're leveraging
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for the future to come.
And so be very intentional andbe patient because, yeah, it's
not easy.
I know a lot of people havebeen just wanting to sell their
work and all that, but I mean,sure, who doesn't want to have a
seller right of their piece?
But to me, patient and reallyconnecting with people instead
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of just shilling and GM, likesure, the GM's a culture, but
maybe a bit more than that wouldbe nice.
So really like get theconnection going and we are
humans, after all, behind thatPFP, so, and that's just like
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super important.
I would say yeah, and also tonot hesitate to reach out to
people for questions, because Icertainly felt that in the, I
think, like the first two monthsor so, but then when I heard
people like yeah, just like hitme up if you have any questions,
I was like okay, cool.
Then I and I did and it feltlike a normal conversation that
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we're having.
It's like you know, it doesn'tmatter if that person has, I
don't know, 50 000 followers andyou have zero or like 10 or
something.
We are still humans.
So I would say people are superkind in this space actually.
So just reach out.
But if you do reach out, havethe courtesy to say GM good
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morning or hello, or how are youGM good morning or hello, or
how are you, instead of justlike giving you know, just
chilling your work and like canyou please help me?
Or like I have this question,like at least start with
something, right?
I mean it only takes twoseconds to say how are you?
I mean, sometimes I get put offby people, just you know,
(22:17):
sending me their work withoutsaying anything like a greeting
and just like what do you think,right?
I've never spoken to you everbefore, apart from the gms on
the timeline and now you justlike come at me like this um, I
would love to help you, but ifyou were come like approach the
other way, I would definitelyhelp you out more.
So so, yeah, sometimes I getthese kind of DMs I'm like nah,
(22:41):
yeah, nah, it's a pass, rightyeah.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So if you could live or move anywhere, where would
you live and why?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
This is also very tough.
Um, I like all your questionslike super tough.
Um, I love the waters and Ineed to be near a body of water.
So anywhere near the ocean or asea not a pond, a lake could be
cool, like a big enough lakethat feels like an ocean.
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Maybe that feels like it.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, like you know, I don't know whatever lake.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Like I don't know the Ozark lakes.
They're huge as well, like, forexample, like I need a huge
lake or a body of water that Ican, you know, just see the
horizon, and so, yeah, I lovethe salty breeze ocean, but I
also want mountains and desert,so I'm very demanding on myself
(23:47):
right now, but this sort of likeyeah, I don't know.
California kind of hits the spotwith all these because like
there's the desert, there arethe mountains, ocean is next
door, like forest as well, solike everything is just like
really cool.
So I don't know like.
California maybe I'm not sure,true, yeah, I.
(24:12):
It's a tough question topinpoint down to one spot and
there's just so much more toexplore.
I was like thinking as well innamibia, because like literally
the desert meets the ocean atone point and that's like super
cool.
But I don't know, I've neverbeen there, so it's tough to say
(24:33):
yeah, but somewhere with waternature, so California kind of
hits the spot.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
True, true.
So do you have any questionsfor me?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Oh boy, yes, where can I start?
So I won't ask the Web3,typical NFC stuff, because I
think a lot of people havealready asked them um.
But I would just go something abit more fun, let's say so um.
First question what kind ofgenre of music do you listen to
(25:14):
and which is your favoriteartist?
Speaker 1 (25:18):
uh, so this is like.
Uh, it varies a lot like rightright now I've been listening to
spotify.
What is the name?
It's a station I was justlooking for like something kind
(25:40):
of like I guess, from back whengrowing up.
Basically it's called throwthrowback jams oh, yeah, okay is
it um, so that's been good likeall these.
It's like kind of like, uh like2000s, 90s hip-hop okay, yeah so
(26:01):
there's that, and then also,like some alternative, I'll
listen to or rock awesome, nice.
As far as a favorite band manthat has really hard, I don't
know.
I feel it'd be like I don'tknow.
(26:24):
It's hard because it alwaysdepends on the mood, right?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
yeah no, I totally feel that it's the same for me
as well, right right now.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I don't know if I'd say like arctic monkeys or like
queens of the stone age yeah,something like that nice, okay,
very cool.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
That's like kind of like yeah, what I'm gravitating
towards now actually it reallydepends on the mood.
But yeah, indie rock,alternative and all that that's
kind of my jam as well.
Nice, Very cool.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Next question what is the only one thing you would
save when there's an apocalypse?
If all my humans in my lifewere already safe, then I would.
I'll just say that's a given.
Yeah, I don't know.
(27:24):
I feel like it'd be, like it'sso weird to say like probably a
computer, it's like, with allthe pictures on it safer ledger
or something like with all mywell, all my family pictures I
should say right, right um okay,okay but you know, if there's
(27:45):
an apocalypse, are you evengonna have electricity to run
the computer.
You're like oh yeah I saved thiscomputer, but I can't turn it
on, you can't charge it at all.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
There's no electricity, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Okay, well, fair point, I mean I don't know,
that's a hard one, like yeah,grab, uh, because I don't know
how many actual photo albums wehave.
We have, like a wedding photoalbum, but no other photo albums
.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Okay, yeah, so I don't know that's a hard one.
Yeah, no, it's I.
I don't even know what I wouldanswer.
So, yeah, just thought like itwas a random question that
popped in my head.
So I was like, okay, let's justask that all right all right,
um yeah, last question, umsimple one favorite meal of the
day and why?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I don't know.
I feel like lunch is that mealokay because it's pretty, it's?
I don't know, it could below-key, chill.
It's not as much pressure onthat meal, I guess not like
dinner for some, like I don'tknow, yeah, like I think lunch
is like the perfect meal.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I would say it's like you know, you're not groggy,
you're not.
You know, after the morningyou're not tired for dinner,
you're just like at the peak,right?
So, yeah, okay, I'll take lunchfor sure nice.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, do you have any shout outs or do you have any
upcoming projects you'd like totalk about?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
um, shout outs, it's tough.
I don't want to mention ahandful of people there's so
many people that I really reallylove that's fair, that's fair,
um so like shout out toeverybody that supported me
throughout this whole journey sofar.
So like I'm very, very thankfuland grateful for all the support
.
It's.
It's been an a pleasure, um,just like writing with everybody
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on on the twitter timeline and,you know, just supporting each
other.
So I I absolutely enjoy it.
So, yeah, shout out to to thoseand maybe a special shout out
to click create.
I don't know they're like.
Click create has been, I don'tknow like the highlight of my
days so far.
Like discord is vibing.
Um, I just love being there.
(30:04):
People are super funny.
Perp the moderator as well.
Like he's like also just justamazing.
So I mean, the whole clickcreate discord is fucking
amazing.
I love it yeah um, awesome, yeah, but like any upcoming projects
, uh, yeah, I mean I have like acouple in mind.
(30:24):
I'm working on um one thinglike back to the community.
You know, I I've never expectedthis at all the support that I
got from so many people.
So I want to give back topeople that have supported me in
my art.
So I'm really thinking now kindof like, yeah, like a fun thing
(30:47):
to do.
Um, yeah, I don't know, maybean alpha additions, maybe for
for certain people.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Um, I'm not sure how I'm gonna do it yet but it's
gonna be like a couple of dropsprobably.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
So I'm still working on it, on trying to give back um
to, to the supporters of myartwork and um.
So that's that.
That's like the first thing onmy mind when it popped up.
The second thing is I haven'tactually launched any collection
, so it's not going to be like afull 60 piece collection.
(31:26):
It's going to be probably justfour very specially curated ones
and it's going to be astandalone collection.
It's not going to be related toany of the dunes or anything
like that.
So I still kind of like try tofind a storyboard for those
pieces and try to like, yeah,create something that would
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inspire people.
So that will be sometime I haveno idea when, probably second
half of this year.
No idea where the space isgoing to take us, but we'll see
how that goes.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
So, yeah, we'll see how that goes.
So, yeah, nice, awesome.
Well, jj, thank you so much forthis time your interview.
Thank you, and uh hope you havea great evening thank you so
much, guy.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
It was an absolute pleasure and thanks for having
me.
So this is like another wetthree achievement for me and I'm
super honored and grateful.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Oh man well, you take care, yeah, norcalguy.
Who is this?
Who is this guy?
Norcal guy.
Norcal guy.
Norcal guy.
Norcal guy.
Norcal guy.
Norcal and chill podcast Showwith a chill time NorCal and
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chill podcast.
What the sh, what the sh?
Norcal and chill podcast Showwith a chill time NorCal and
Shill Podcast.
What the shill, what the shill,norcal and Shill Podcast.
So it's shill time, norcal and.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Shill Podcast what the shill, what the shill.
Hey everyone, welcome to thenext episode of NorCal and Shill
.
Today we have Juicy Julio.
Jj is an accidentalphotographer based in Germany
that didn't realize photographywould be a new passion that he
really enjoys.
26 years later, he is amusician, an engineer and now a
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two-year-old photographer.
His vision is to share hisjourney into the unexplored
creative side of his mind,hoping that it will empower new
artists.
For starters, he's exploringlandscape travel and minimalism
photography, learning oneshutter at a time and
documenting it with the power ofWeb3.
Everybody, please welcome JuicyJulio.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Hey JJ.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Welcome to the podcast.
How are you doing today?
Jj LeBleu 1.0.
Hey guy, thanks so much forhaving me.
I'm doing fine.
It's like 11pm right now whereI am so kind of late, but super
tired, very stoked to be here,so it's an honor, thanks yeah,
no, I'm glad we could do this.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Oh, you know, it's been fun ever since I guess ever
since you joined the discord.
Yeah, that's where I first metyou, I think yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
That wasn't like like three months ago, february?
Yeah, right, so like in theclick rate discord.
Yeah, no, that was cool.
Uh, it's a vibe in there.
Yeah, definitely love it.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
For sure, for sure, yeah, it's a good time and we
had a great time in New York.
For sure.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Oh, those biscuits, oh damn, those were good.
I mean speaking of biscuits,actually, I kid you not, I had
two biscuits before this podcast, right now.
So just to like okay, you know,snack up and get some energy
before, before this.
So yeah, good, good times andgood memories, for sure, awesome
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.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
All right, cool, cool Good, we're ready to go, we're
ready to go.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
We're ready to roll.
So the question do you have anduse a hardware wallet?
You know this question shouldbe illegal at this point in time
, like considering how long orhow much we've, you know, been
through in this space.
But yes, I indeed do have notonly one but two hardware
(02:42):
wallets, because I'm apsychopath and I'm paranoid and
I'm super ocd, so I have to keepeverything like in place and
categorize them.
So, um, yeah, I have like asuper cold vault which I've
never, ever connected um anyonline, um the the app at all.
(03:05):
So I just like you know, if Icollect anything, I will just
directly transfer it there anddone, that's it.
And so, actually, my first onewas the ledger, I don't know,
nano X, so this was thisBluetooth function thing, cause
I thought I could use it with myphone.
But I was like no, I don't wantto use, like you know, web
(03:28):
tweet stuff on my phone, likeconsidering all the security and
all the malware and all thatstuff.
So I was like, well, I got itnow.
So like whatever, so I just usethat for, you know, like the
discord verification for theroles and all that stuff, and
you know it's kind of like mylukewarm wallet.
So, yeah, yeah, so I havedefinitely have to.
(03:49):
At first I was like what thehell is the hardware wallet?
You know, it looks like a usbstick and I thought you actually
like stick it into yourcomputer or something.
But I just didn't get it.
And, uh, I looked at Ledger andlearned about them.
They look so cool so I have tohave one.
It costs like $80 or so.
(04:12):
That's huge.
Compared to other stuff that wecollect, it's way worth it.
If you just get one, you'regood to go.
You don't need to worry, youcan sleep right.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So, that's a good.
That's a plus, For sure, forsure.
It's definitely worth theinvestment for the extra
security.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, exactly, people like underestimate that.
But I think now a lot of peoplethat I've talked to or met at
least have a hardware wallet, sothat's a good sign for us,
right For sure.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
What were your first thoughts when you heard about
the crypto art space?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
the crypto art space.
To be honest, like I don't knowhow to react because I I I saw
this word nft, uh, and you knowthe whole people sale thing and
I don't even know how I got thatacross.
I think I was just like on onthe internet and I just saw the
news, like somebody just sold ajpeg for that amount of money
and I was like what on earth isgoing on, like I mean, like what
(05:33):
is going on?
so I was like super curious andum, started digging this word
nft and googled it, obviously,and like everybody else did, and
still didn't get it.
What the hell is a non-fungibletoken?
So like what's fungible?
You know that's like fungi,like food or something Like it's
(05:54):
such a weird word, right?
So I just got super intriguedinto it and started digging
about it, learning about it.
Into it and start digging aboutit, uh, learning about it.
And then somehow I ended up inthis black hole of jacob
regland's um nft thing, likecourse he was promoting okay.
(06:16):
So I looked at it I was likeokay okay, um, so I told myself,
like I'm just gonna trysomething that I've never done
before, no knowledge of, andjust freaking ape into this.
So, um, I mean, like beforethis, like I, I heard about
crypto, right.
(06:36):
So, back in I don't know when,was this like 20, I don't know,
12, or maybe even earlier, Idon't know, but I completely
ignored it and, right andlooking at it right now, it's
like damn, I could have, likeyou know, made some nice profits
here and there.
Um, and I was okay.
Well, then I told myself, thistime something popped up.
(06:59):
I'm just gonna dive into it andnot miss this chance and take a
risk.
So, yeah, and then I startedthis, this course, with jacob,
and then everything just went,everything was his history.
So, uh, it was amazing.
Yeah, I, I'm not regretting itat all.
So, yeah, super, got, I found,found this, uh, this whole
(07:22):
little community that we have onthe internet.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
So, yeah, for sure this is nice, that's a nice
group of people, for sure 100.
So why did you choose art?
What brought you to photography?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
this is very yeah cliche.
I mean a lot of people say,yeah, art chose me.
All the photography came to mebut it did like it actually did
like I don't know.
It's it's freaking cliche, um,but it just happened to me.
I think I mentioned this in inthe type of ones podcast as well
(07:59):
.
Um, it was during like I'm notgonna go through all the details
, but, like summary, like youknow, I went traveling with my
brothers and I didn't have acamera back then, right so
because I didn't know I wouldwant to go into photography, so
I had to document this wholetrip with my brothers.
It's like our first like solobrother script, like three of us
, and we were in morocco, so,and it's such a cool country,
(08:24):
and we were like you know, wehave to document this.
You know, send it to ourparents just to be, you know,
let them see that we're havingfun and we're not like getting
kidnapped or anything or fallingoff a cliff or whatever, just
like sharing those moments withthem.
So I just started takingpictures of the whole trip and
(08:45):
then it just happened Like afterthe trip, um, I just, you know,
I didn't look back, I justshared the photos with my
parents and my friends and thatwas it.
But a lot of them have beensaying like, yeah, you have the
eye for it.
And I was like my for what, likethey said, photography, I was
like, okay, cool, I completelyignored that.
(09:05):
It was kind of like foolish ofme to just like ignore that, I
think, because I mean I wasworking oh, I am still working.
But at that time I was superlike really, really busy.
And only after two years thattrip I realized like, okay, this
is, this is the moment, because, you know, during the whole
(09:27):
covid lockdown, um, you know,shit got got carried away and
it's like really it was a toughtime for a lot of people and I
had losses of family members aswell during those time and I
couldn't even say goodbye or my,my last words, or even you know
why I didn't do a funeralbecause of all the lockdown.
(09:48):
So I was like in a very very,very dark quicksand, I would say
.
So I was buried, but I couldn'tsee the light.
I was, I wouldn't say,depressed.
I tried to, like, keep myselfpositive, but I didn't feel
myself at all and it reallyaffected me.
So photography was the only wayI could channel my negativity
(10:13):
into creativity.
So that was one of theeye-opening moments for me, when
I first looked back at thepictures of what I took in
Morocco and then I was like,okay, there is something, let's
try to find out what this is.
So since then, like 2019, Ijust, yeah, discovered my
(10:38):
unfounded passion forphotography.
So it just all came alongunplanned and spontaneously.
So, yeah, and since then I fellin love with it.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, that's good.
Yeah, good to fall back in lovewith it.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So what jobs have you done along the way, you know,
with all the summer holidays andall that, I was actually
working in a burger restaurant,so flipping burgers and um
assembling them so I I lovecooking a lot, so and this
(11:21):
burger restaurant is like one ofthe best around my area.
So I applied, uh, and theyaccepted me like immediately.
So I was like, yes, I get toeat free burgers.
That was the whole point, like.
I mean, like money wise it'sgood, it's fine, like I get the,
the minimum wage and all that,but I just want free burgers,
free food.
They do this so nice burger,really, really nice ones.
(11:46):
They have one called the ElvisBurger, which is with PB and jam
.
I mean, it sounds weird but it'snice, it works.
The salty and the sweetness.
I worked in a burger restaurantwaiting as a waiter flipping
burgers From the front end tothe back end.
(12:08):
I've done restaurant stuff.
So, yeah, I definitely enjoyedit a lot Nice, solid one.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
What are you doing for work now?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
right now I am a chemical engineer, so kind of
like cooking, so in the lab,like breaking bad.
I'm not always sending like the, the gif or the gif, I don't
know, we'll let the audiencedecide.
I always send this gif ofWalter White cooking, pouring
(12:50):
with the glass and all that.
So yeah, and today we cook.
So yeah, kind of related.
So cooking chemistry, yeah,that's me.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Perfect.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
All right, that's cool, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
If you were an animal , what would you be and why?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
God, I love this question.
Oh man, you know what thisquestion?
Like my brother and I, we usedto give people their animal type
based on how they look as a kid.
So it's like it's so mean, it'slike we're so judgy and we
would just ask each other hey,what would you think that person
(13:33):
would be, and why?
So exactly this question.
It was so funny and it bringsme so many childhood memories.
It's amazing.
I exactly this question.
It was so funny and it bringsme so many childhood memories.
It's amazing.
I love this question, but Iwould say a unicorn, but I want
something that exists in theworld.
So not a mythical creature, butfun fact, a unicorn is a symbol
(13:55):
of the UK.
Did you know that?
I don't think so uk did?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
you know that I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I did not know that.
Yeah, so I mean, it appears um,in the full royal coat of arms
of the uk.
So it's it's on the passport aswell, like if you just google
like the uk passport, you willsee the freaking unicorn, which
is like insane.
That's I find it super cool.
So I love unicorns for whateverreason.
But like something non-mythical, um, I would say a narwhal.
(14:28):
Have you heard about that?
Oh yeah yep, yep, yeah, so kindof like a unicorn, but not
really.
It's like the underwater unicorn, um I have no idea why like
when I looked at this question,it, that animal just came right
at me.
Um, no idea, but I'm superobsessed with it, I mean ever
since I got my firstencyclopedia from my parents, uh
(14:50):
, back in the day when I was akid and I I just love flipping
through through those and I saw,like you know, the whole
underwater world section and Ilove the ocean a lot, so I got
fascinated about this creatureand I was like what the hell is
this?
It's like a freaking unicornbut it swims and I just find it
super interesting.
(15:11):
And, yeah, I don't know I wouldbe them, because they're just
cool, right, right.
Yeah, I don't know, I meantheir tooth.
Actually that sticks out fromwhat the tusk sticks up from
their um, actually from their,not even from their head,
actually like close to the lipor something.
It's actually their tooth andit's funny because they have so
(15:33):
many nervous system, like nerve,in the whole tusk and they use
that to sense or like it tellsthem the temperature of water,
even the saltiness as well, Ithink, if I'm not wrong.
It's crazy.
It's like a whole machine inthis little well, not little,
but this long tusk they have.
(15:53):
So that's super cool that's socrazy.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
It is a crazy animal.
I want to see them in real lifeone day.
Oh yeah, that'd be cool, yeahdo you have?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
a favorite food yep, this is a very tough question.
I mean, I do love burgers, butit's such a difficult question
because I love food a lot.
I'm a huge foodie.
But I would say, havingtraveled to a couple of
(16:30):
countries, I found what I reallylove and I think it's your
favorite food, actually Mexican.
Oh yeah, yeah I love mexicanfood it's so, it's so good, like
when I was in mexico, I think20, was it 20 or 2019?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I I I just got like I got mind blown.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Like the flavors and like the types of, you know, not
your typical tex-mex food, butlike the real, authentic Mexican
food.
Oh, I cannot get enough of them, like the tamales or the asados
and the tacos and like oh mygod, like don't even get me
started.
I'm like hungry right now at 11,30 in the night, but it's so.
I just love Mexican food somuch, but like I mean it's so.
(17:17):
I just love Mexican food somuch, but like I mean it's so
hard to just nail it down to one.
But in terms of like savory, Iwould say Mexican food, but for
sweet, because I'm a huge sweettooth as well, I love pastries.
So Okay, and with your biscuitsyou just freaking converted me
(17:39):
Because they're like pastries tome, because they have layers,
right, so I love love love them.
So pastries are the way to go.
All right, that's good stuff.
Good stuff, it's too good.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
What's the best piece of advice you've been given?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
so many, so many advice like oh, this is tough as
well, I would say.
I mean, I'm a very emotionalperson, as you know.
Um, you guys probably know bynow.
Um, but a lot of my decisionshave been made based on how I
feel and I've made a lot ofmistakes, and so this, this
(18:27):
quote, or like this, this advice, will always stick to my head,
like it's for my dad and he'slike don't make emotional
decisions.
Don't make emotional decisions.
Like that will never, everleave my head, because I'm like
my mom if she's probablylistening to this she'll be like
oh my god, here we go again.
But, um, yeah, so I, me and mymom, we're like so emotional we
(18:53):
make, like you know, if we'relike happy or angry, we'll just,
like you know, decide likestraight there and then, but my
dad, he's super chill, very zen,and he would think about it and
then make the decision.
He's always telling us justdon't make emotional decisions,
because this applies to almosteverything in life.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Be it in Web3 or buying something that you don't
really need.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Do you have advice for artists joining the NFT
space?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah, for people I I mean, I don't know like I'm, I'm
like a fetus, I would say to alot of people in this space,
because I'm, I don't know, it'slike my eighth month right now
in this space.
So, like, really, really likeyoung, okay, but, um, yeah, I've
heard a lot of people say thisyou know, take your time, like
(20:01):
be patient.
It's easy, easier said thandone, right, but just take your
time and learn about theblockchain, like the technology
behind it, before even likeminting anything or you know,
just have a feel how things workand just understand the
foundation of this wholeplatform that we're leveraging
(20:24):
for the future to come.
And so be very intentional andbe patient because, yeah, it's
not easy.
I know a lot of people havebeen just wanting to sell their
work and all that, but I mean,sure, who doesn't want to have a
seller right of their piece?
But to me, patient and reallyconnecting with people instead
(20:50):
of just shilling and GM, likesure, the GM's a culture, but
maybe a bit more than that wouldbe nice.
So really like get theconnection going and we are
humans, after all, behind thatPFP, so, and that's just like
(21:10):
super important.
I would say yeah, and also tonot hesitate to reach out to
people for questions, because Icertainly felt that in the, I
think, like the first two monthsor so, but then when I heard
people like yeah, just like hitme up if you have any questions,
I was like okay, cool.
Then I and I did and it feltlike a normal conversation that
(21:33):
we're having.
It's like you know, it doesn'tmatter if that person has, I
don't know, 50 000 followers andyou have zero or like 10 or
something.
We are still humans.
So I would say people are superkind in this space actually.
So just reach out.
But if you do reach out, havethe courtesy to say GM good
(21:56):
morning or hello, or how are youGM good morning or hello, or
how are you, instead of justlike giving you know, just
chilling your work and like canyou please help me?
Or like I have this question,like at least start with
something, right?
I mean it only takes twoseconds to say how are you?
I mean, sometimes I get put offby people, just you know,
(22:17):
sending me their work withoutsaying anything like a greeting
and just like what do you think,right?
I've never spoken to you everbefore, apart from the gms on
the timeline and now you justlike come at me like this um, I
would love to help you, but ifyou were come like approach the
other way, I would definitelyhelp you out more.
So so, yeah, sometimes I getthese kind of DMs I'm like nah,
(22:41):
yeah, nah, it's a pass, rightyeah.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So if you could live or move anywhere, where would
you live and why?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
This is also very tough.
Um, I like all your questionslike super tough.
Um, I love the waters and Ineed to be near a body of water.
So anywhere near the ocean or asea not a pond, a lake could be
cool, like a big enough lakethat feels like an ocean.
(23:19):
Maybe that feels like it.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, like you know, I don't know whatever lake.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Like I don't know the Ozark lakes.
They're huge as well, like, forexample, like I need a huge
lake or a body of water that Ican, you know, just see the
horizon, and so, yeah, I lovethe salty breeze ocean, but I
also want mountains and desert,so I'm very demanding on myself
(23:47):
right now, but this sort of likeyeah, I don't know.
California kind of hits the spotwith all these because like
there's the desert, there arethe mountains, ocean is next
door, like forest as well, solike everything is just like
really cool.
So I don't know like.
California maybe I'm not sure,true, yeah, I.
(24:12):
It's a tough question topinpoint down to one spot and
there's just so much more toexplore.
I was like thinking as well innamibia, because like literally
the desert meets the ocean atone point and that's like super
cool.
But I don't know, I've neverbeen there, so it's tough to say
(24:33):
yeah, but somewhere with waternature, so California kind of
hits the spot.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
True, true.
So do you have any questionsfor me?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Oh boy, yes, where can I start?
So I won't ask the Web3,typical NFC stuff, because I
think a lot of people havealready asked them um.
But I would just go something abit more fun, let's say so um.
First question what kind ofgenre of music do you listen to
(25:14):
and which is your favoriteartist?
Speaker 1 (25:18):
uh, so this is like.
Uh, it varies a lot like rightright now I've been listening to
spotify.
What is the name?
It's a station I was justlooking for like something kind
(25:40):
of like I guess, from back whengrowing up.
Basically it's called throwthrowback jams oh, yeah, okay is
it um, so that's been good likeall these.
It's like kind of like, uh like2000s, 90s hip-hop okay, yeah so
(26:01):
there's that, and then also,like some alternative, I'll
listen to or rock awesome, nice.
As far as a favorite band manthat has really hard, I don't
know.
I feel it'd be like I don'tknow.
(26:24):
It's hard because it alwaysdepends on the mood, right?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
yeah no, I totally feel that it's the same for me
as well, right right now.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I don't know if I'd say like arctic monkeys or like
queens of the stone age yeah,something like that nice, okay,
very cool.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
That's like kind of like yeah, what I'm gravitating
towards now actually it reallydepends on the mood.
But yeah, indie rock,alternative and all that that's
kind of my jam as well.
Nice, Very cool.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Next question what is the only one thing you would
save when there's an apocalypse?
If all my humans in my lifewere already safe, then I would.
I'll just say that's a given.
Yeah, I don't know.
(27:24):
I feel like it'd be, like it'sso weird to say like probably a
computer, it's like, with allthe pictures on it safer ledger
or something like with all mywell, all my family pictures I
should say right, right um okay,okay but you know, if there's
(27:45):
an apocalypse, are you evengonna have electricity to run
the computer.
You're like oh yeah I saved thiscomputer, but I can't turn it
on, you can't charge it at all.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
There's no electricity, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Okay, well, fair point, I mean I don't know,
that's a hard one, like yeah,grab, uh, because I don't know
how many actual photo albums wehave.
We have, like a wedding photoalbum, but no other photo albums
.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Okay, yeah, so I don't know that's a hard one.
Yeah, no, it's I.
I don't even know what I wouldanswer.
So, yeah, just thought like itwas a random question that
popped in my head.
So I was like, okay, let's justask that all right all right,
um yeah, last question, umsimple one favorite meal of the
day and why?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I don't know.
I feel like lunch is that mealokay because it's pretty, it's?
I don't know, it could below-key, chill.
It's not as much pressure onthat meal, I guess not like
dinner for some, like I don'tknow, yeah, like I think lunch
is like the perfect meal.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I would say it's like you know, you're not groggy,
you're not.
You know, after the morningyou're not tired for dinner,
you're just like at the peak,right?
So, yeah, okay, I'll take lunchfor sure nice.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, do you have any shout outs or do you have any
upcoming projects you'd like totalk about?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
um, shout outs, it's tough.
I don't want to mention ahandful of people there's so
many people that I really reallylove that's fair, that's fair,
um so like shout out toeverybody that supported me
throughout this whole journey sofar.
So like I'm very, very thankfuland grateful for all the support
.
It's.
It's been an a pleasure, um,just like writing with everybody
(29:42):
on on the twitter timeline and,you know, just supporting each
other.
So I I absolutely enjoy it.
So, yeah, shout out to to thoseand maybe a special shout out
to click create.
I don't know they're like.
Click create has been, I don'tknow like the highlight of my
days so far.
Like discord is vibing.
Um, I just love being there.
(30:04):
People are super funny.
Perp the moderator as well.
Like he's like also just justamazing.
So I mean, the whole clickcreate discord is fucking
amazing.
I love it yeah um, awesome, yeah, but like any upcoming projects
, uh, yeah, I mean I have like acouple in mind.
(30:24):
I'm working on um one thinglike back to the community.
You know, I I've never expectedthis at all the support that I
got from so many people.
So I want to give back topeople that have supported me in
my art.
So I'm really thinking now kindof like, yeah, like a fun thing
(30:47):
to do.
Um, yeah, I don't know, maybean alpha additions, maybe for
for certain people.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Um, I'm not sure how I'm gonna do it yet but it's
gonna be like a couple of dropsprobably.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
So I'm still working on it, on trying to give back um
to, to the supporters of myartwork and um.
So that's that.
That's like the first thing onmy mind when it popped up.
The second thing is I haven'tactually launched any collection
, so it's not going to be like afull 60 piece collection.
(31:26):
It's going to be probably justfour very specially curated ones
and it's going to be astandalone collection.
It's not going to be related toany of the dunes or anything
like that.
So I still kind of like try tofind a storyboard for those
pieces and try to like, yeah,create something that would
(31:48):
inspire people.
So that will be sometime I haveno idea when, probably second
half of this year.
No idea where the space isgoing to take us, but we'll see
how that goes.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
So, yeah, we'll see how that goes.
So, yeah, nice, awesome.
Well, jj, thank you so much forthis time your interview.
Thank you, and uh hope you havea great evening thank you so
much, guy.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
It was an absolute pleasure and thanks for having
me.
So this is like another wetthree achievement for me and I'm
super honored and grateful.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Oh man well, you take care, yeah, norcalguy.
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