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In an overgrowded graveyard, thescream will rise.
Pool mates Entertainment presents Not Another Spooky
Podcast Welcome back to Not Another Spooky Podcast, where we
serve freshly popped tour reviews filled with blood, guts
and spoilers every Monday. I'm Mandy Spooks.
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And I'm Rabbit loves horror, andwe're here to remind you,
theaters are not dead one bloodypopcorn bucket at a time.
Whether you love going to every single horror release or you
want to hear all the reviews andspoilers before spending your
money at the theaters, we've gotyou covered.
The front half of the show neverhas any spoilers and will warn
you when it's time. Today, we're grave digging into
a Rosario. If you ever want to know what
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film we're covering next, you can check the show notes to see
what you should watch that weekend.
To set the vibe for this episode, we're taking a break
from Bone Marry Slash because we're going to think of a theme
set of characters for this one, to be honest.
So we decided we should resurrect Tombstone Trivia.
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Mr. Spooks, the man behind our production magic, has provided
us with a question. We'll both be taking a guess,
and the answer will be revealed at the end of the episode.
So if you're watching on YouTube, be sure to leave a
comment down below on what you think the answer is.
So you'll see here it is. Currently the answer is what is
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it called Hidden? I was gonna say revealed, but
it's it's covered. I cannot see it.
Neither of us can. So the question is, what horror
television series was created byRyan Murphy, who also created
the TV series Glee? Well, that is that for me.
I think it's for both of us. I think we both know the answer.
OK, yeah, that's an easy one. American Horror Story.
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Yeah. I was like, am I wrong?
OK, so we'll double check the answer at the end and then that
brings us into some haunted housekeeping.
OK, so today's haunted housekeeping is very familiar to
you, but we did want to remind you guys that we are now on
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YouTube and I hadn't seen the final product yet when we talked
about it last week. So I did want to let you know
that Mister Spooks has done a really spectacular job on the
branding for the podcast. It was really cool to see how it
has come together, so be sure togo check it out.
Do you have any haunted housekeeping?
No, I guess I just need to go watch the YouTube videos to see
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all the animations that Mister Spooks came up with.
I'm just embarrassed to see myself on camera, but I'll
sacrifice to go see those those visuals.
Yeah, you got to check them out.They're pretty cool.
It's funny you haven't seen them.
You'll do anything to avoid seeing yourself.
All right, Ghosters, it's time for our favorite chat of the
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week. Keeping the spook alive.
It's alive, it's alive. All right, Rabbit, how are you
keeping the spook alive? So I didn't really do anything
this week that really quite likeactively kept the spook alive.
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But I do, I guess, have a littlestory of how I got scared this
weekend or this this week. So it's kind of rare for me to
get scared after watching a horror movie just because I feel
like I've been descenticized from, you know, all the movies
that I've watched before. So I'm like, nothing really
scares me after a movie. But after we watched this movie,
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Michael then tells me a story about how earlier in the week he
was at work and he went on a walk, just like a walk break.
And when he was on his walk break, he forgot his Airpods.
So he was just like walking without listening to anything.
And as he's walking, he hears somebody whisper in his ear.
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Like his name. What?
Yeah, hears somebody say like Michael and like he turns around
and nobody's there. So that scared me.
Yeah, just like walking outside and somebody whispers his name
and he turns around and nobody'sthere.
And that freaked me out. I didn't tell him that it
freaked me out because I get really spooked when things like
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that happen to other people and I'm around.
But yeah, that that definitely kept the spook of life for me.
So was he scared or he was just telling you nonchalantly?
I think he's had those things before, like those types of
things happened to him before. I know he has told me before,
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like when we first moved into this apartment that we're living
in right now, he had told me something similar happened, but
I told him not to tell me anything.
Like if something happens to youin this apartment, do not tell
me just because I'm I'm, I'm a huge scaredy cat when things
happen to me. But like in the movie, watching
a movie, a horror movie, that doesn't really affect me that
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much because it's not, I'm not like experiencing it.
So I told him, like if anything happens in the apartment or you
hear something or say something,just don't, don't tell me.
Keep it to yourself. It's like a cold.
I don't want to catch it. Exactly.
So I think he was, he was like, OK, I can tell him this because
it happened outside of the apartment.
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But yeah, I'll let you know if anything else happens to him.
That's interesting. That is definitely spooky.
All righty, how do you keep the spook alive?
Well, I think I spooked a littletoo hard this week also.
I don't know, I just so it's funny because Mr. Spooks has
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always like treaded carefully with horror.
He likes it a lot, but it also can give him anxiety sometimes.
But because we've been going more often, he was like, I've
been having more fun than I thought I would.
Or like, it hasn't been as like,scared, like not 'cause he can
handle it. It's just, I think it's all of
the, like, anxiety building things that he doesn't like
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about horror sometimes. And I was like, yeah, I had
noticed last Halloween when I went to Blumfest by myself that
the more you watch it, the more like fun and less scared you
get. But then when you take a break
from it, you have to like, get back into it again.
And then that's when it's scary.But I learned you can overdo it
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this week because I was we watched Rosario.
I was also doing research for myBloody Mary episode of The
Haunted Lion that like just cameout on my channel.
And then I was watching Hysteria.
We watched Hysteria. Have you heard about it?
No. So it's this new show.
I don't know how new IT is, but it's on Peacock and it's about
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this high school band that pretends to actually be a
satanic cult to gain like popularity in their high school.
And it's not scary. But I just feel like with all
the things in my head about likethe movie Rosario and then the
things I was reading about Bloody Mary and then this
combined, I'm like, why is thereso many heavy themes of like
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Satan and witchcraft in my life right now?
And I started to feel it by Friday after the movie 'cause I
was home all day, obviously without Rudy.
And like, I just felt that like heaviness you get when you're
like. It's.
So I started it started, it started creeping up on me and I
was like, OK, I need to take a break from all the Satanic
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stuff, right? So yeah, I've definitely been
spooky around here. Yeah, I, Michael used to work
night shifts, so he would be gone from like 9:00 PM until
6:00 AM or something like that. If I would torture myself those
those nights for some reason, just because I get lonely.
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So I was like, well, what if I just watch like a horror movie
and then I'd be regretting it when I go to bed.
So I would have to put like YouTube on to like distract my
brain of seeing shadows or anything like that.
So I get it. I've been there before.
Yeah, and it's funny because with the way our apartment's
decorated now, like it's really dark in here all day.
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Like it's literally blacked out if you don't have like, the
blind, the curtains open and stuff.
So I was like, I'm just gonna open these and turn on the light
in every corner. Yeah, yeah, I used to leave all
the lights on and then, yeah, until I actually have to go to
bed. Then that's when the YouTube
would come on. That's funny.
Yeah. But yeah, I don't know.
Good, good times. I just need to switch topics for
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a little bit. It's weird how it just, like,
all aligned that it was all, like, witchy and satanic in one
week. All right, Ghosters, it's time
for the spoiler pack segment of the show.
So if you don't want spoilers, this is your warning to pause
and come hang out with us once you've seen the movie.
What popped into theaters this week?
Rabbit. Alrighty, so this week Rosario
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popped into theaters. So trigger wording.
We're going to be speaking aboutdifferent religions, witchcraft,
death, and mishandling A corpse I guess.
So before I get into the summary, Rotten Tomatoes
audience rating of 63%. Though actually I think that was
a tomato meter, which is kind ofhigh I feel.
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Oh really? I don't know, it seems pretty
accurate. I'm thinking, like, I can see
why it's not a high score, but also I also enjoyed it.
So I don't know, it kind of makes sense for me, yeah.
OK, and now I'm going to get into the movie summary, but I'm
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going to go a little bit more detailed of what happens in the
movie just because I'm I'm not sure if everybody has access to
see this movie. I know you had a struggle of
finding a theatre and you, I guess you did find one.
So in case you're listening to the episode but you haven't seen
the movie, I'll give you like a quick summary and rundown of
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what happens. So it starts with the Wall
Street broker. Rosario Fuentes returns to her
grandmother's grandmother's apartment after her sudden
death. While sorting through her
grandmother's belongings, Rosario uncovers a horrifying
secret, a hidden chamber filled with occult artifacts tied to
dark generational rituals as a supernatural.
As supernatural occurrences flake her, Rosario must confront
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her family's buried secrets and face the truth about the
sacrifices and choices they made.
While uncovering the secrets, she thinks her grandma put a
curse on her because her parentsdivorced when she was young and
she decided to stay with her dad.
While she tries to undo the curse, she figures out her
grandma was actually praying andprotecting her every night.
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Then in another twist ending, she finds out it was actually
her dad who conducted a ritual pretty much kind of like a deal
with the devil or deal with the spirit to make sure that she
succeeds in life. Things go wrong and after the
whole crazy things of things happening, her father gets
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possessed by the spirit. She kills the father and then
another twist twist ending, the demon appears again or the
spirit appears again and I guesstakes over at Osario and I'm
assuming that's because she was no longer protected by her
grandmother or by her father. And then the movie ends.
So that's a quick rundown of howthe movie plays out.
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Do you have any input? No, that's good.
I think there's like details we can talk about later, but I did
kind of want to share with the audience.
We are always aiming to improve,and I kind of have felt like we
could have a better structure inthis portion of the show.
And then I also thought, what ifthere's people listening or
actually, I know there are people listening when they're
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not so interested in a film. And I'm like, OK, well, we
should probably share more aboutwhat actually happens in the
movie. Yeah, yeah.
And so like Rabbit was saying, in case you haven't seen it or
you don't have access to it, this can probably help fill the
gaps in the void for you guys toactually, like, understand the
things we're talking about. So you'll also notice that our
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reviews should hopefully feel a lot more structured moving
forward too. Yeah, hopefully you'll notice.
Yeah. OK, so now I'll get into the
cast. So I was directed by Felipe
Barcas. I tried to see if he did any
other films but to me it seems like this is his first feature
film. When I looked at his IMDb it
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seemed like he did a ton of shorts like a short horror
movies, but I didn't see an actual feature film before this
one. Then we have Emerald Dobia,
which is Rosario and then another main character, Jose
Zuniga, which is the dad. And then we have David Dash
Melstrom task Tumulchin, which is the neighbor Joe, who is in a
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lot of spooky stuff in like latenight with the devil, which is a
really good movie and also superhero movies and shows.
He was in Suicide Squad as the polka dot polka dot man.
So he's pretty popular and I wasvery surprised to see him in
this movie. I was like, Oh, I know that man.
He's like all the spooky movies.OK, so now I guess we're going
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to go into our initial reactionsor first impressions.
Did you wanna go first? Yes.
OK, so I wanna say I loved the movie, but it's very dependent
on my roots as a Latina scene. The film I I feel and it
definitely had room for improvement, but overall I loved
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it. So like, I don't know, it's
gonna be an interesting one for me because I really loved it,
but I also saw a lot of areas for improvement at the same
time. Yeah, for sure.
I I'm conflicted because I really like like the lead up of
this movie, what it was leading up to.
Like I love the whole setup. Like she went through this whole
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journey and you're kind of rooting for her.
Like you can kind of where come this and then you kind of
connect with her. You kind of like find
similarities between yourself and her, like what she's going
through. But then the end just like
ruined it for me. There was just so many twists,
like A twist on A twist on A twist.
And I feel like it didn't need so many twists.
I think the movie had already did what it needed to do and
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make you feel certain things. So I really feel like the twist
endings just really messed it up.
I know, but I also feel like they make sense for certain
reasons, so we could get into itmore.
But I, I agree, it definitely had room for improvement
overall. So we can kind of move on to the
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next part if you're ready to. Yeah, yeah.
OK, so the next thing we're talking about is kind of like
the tone and the atmosphere, I guess you can say.
For me, I feel like I really connected with the character.
I kind of saw myself in her internal struggles, I guess you
can say. And I really related to her in
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that way, I guess because we're both like no salvo kids.
Like we don't really know Spanish.
And she kind of was like struggling with that too, and
like struggling to connect to your Mexican roots.
So I was like, girl, I get it. We're kind of the same.
But do you think I kind of noticed too, though?
Like maybe that's part of like the writing part of it, but she
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she pretended not to know. But then like when it came to
reading the spells, she knew it even by the end she tells her
dad like, no, I don't know how to pray in Spanish.
And I'm like, girl, you just didLike how many spells in Spanish
like this is it? So I don't know if it's like a
confidence thing or a rejection thing.
You know what I mean? Yeah, I guess for me, I can read
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Spanish like if I have like a the words in front of me, I can
read them. So maybe that's part of it.
But I also think like you said, it's gonna like I don't wanna
speak Spanish cuz either like I don't feel connected to that or
I'm like embarrassed. I think there is a lot so.
It could be a combination, yeah,for.
Sure. Yeah.
And then as far as like atmosphere, I don't know.
In a way I do wanna say I don't think this was as scary as I was
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anticipating it to be. And I also don't think it ever
went as scary as I was thinking it would either.
Like, yes, there were scary moments.
So I'm kind of leaning towards it kind of being a little bit
cozy horror because of the like,snow being trapped in the
building. I don't know, like, I just
didn't think it was scary and I was anticipating it to be pretty
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scary. Yeah, that's why I think it's
like cozy, because I made a noteof how some of the scenes felt
cozy. Like really like just going to
your grandma's house and there'slike so much cluttered.
Not cluttered, but just like so many things.
And it just feels cozy in a weird way.
But also spooky? Or is that?
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Just me. No, yeah, like, yeah, like all
these like crosses everywhere, things like that.
But it still feels cozy at the same time.
So yeah, I kind of got the same feeling.
Yeah. So yeah.
Do you agree that it wasn't veryscary then?
No, I don't think it was that scary.
I mean, I did like some of the visuals and I did like the, I
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guess the spirit of her mom or whoever that was supposed to be.
I did like, I guess the monster.But yeah, I feel like it could
have been scarier, but Oh well. No, I mean, yeah, I enjoyed it,
but I think I just maybe I was anticipating it to be scarier.
So that expectation was there. But I guess we can get into the
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direction and cinematography. I actually did not did not look
up more about the director. But I do know that this is a new
Latino film making production company.
So that's kind of why I don't know if you noticed like in the
opening with like the credits, almost everyone involved was
Hispanic or Latinos. So that was really nice to see.
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I did see it was the screenwriter was male Latino and
then the cinematographer was a female Latina, which was really
cool. And I thought that the
cinematography was really good. Considering that this was a kind
of like a first, it seems like the first feature film from the
production company. I don't know if Felipe owns the
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production company or not, right.
I should have done more research, but I was expecting
less quality. To be completely honest.
I was really impressed with the cinematography and the quality
overall of the production value.Considering that this didn't
come from like Blum House or Universal or anything.
I thought it looked really good and I especially really, really
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loved the color palettes that they chose, especially in the
New York scene. Like it was very cool toned and
I love cool colors, in case you haven't noticed, but nothing I
do. It's like a struggle for me as a
creator because Halloween is so orange and warm toned, but I
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love cool tones and it's very rare to see it.
So that entire like New York sequence of her in her life was
really cool, but it also reflected how she's like this
cold version of herself. She's not like into her roots
and she's very like, even when she's talking to a man at the
beginning, she's like, I can't take you on as a client cuz you
don't make enough money for my, what is it called?
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The company she works for, I guess.
And then when it moves into going back to the grandma's
house, like you said, it's spooky, but it's cozy and it
turns to more. It still had that cool tone
throughout, I feel. But then you had a lot of
diffusion to make it look more like dreamlike and candles.
And it just was done so well andseamlessly because it also
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didn't feel like a stark change,like the transition was done
really well. So I really liked that part of
it. Yeah, I I totally agree.
Those are like all the notes that I wrote also because I also
noticed in the beginning of the movie, the cinematography is
like cool tones snow. But then they would have like
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some interesting shots where shewould be like on her phone or
like walking down the street andit would not focus on her.
I guess you can say like she wasn't the focal point of the
the shot. It was like a wide shot with you
can see the background of like an advertisement for like a
perfume or something. So it was like very modern,
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clean and like luxurious lookinglike she had on her gold jewelry
on and in the background there would be like these big
buildings and everything just looked modernized.
And then eventually she went down in the subway, got to her
her grandma's house and everything kind of like switched
where it was a cluttered cozy and everything was a little bit
darker. So I do like how they kind of
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like swapped the scenes from that to this.
I did like that. So good job to her because I
loved also the rest of the cinematography.
Like I said, there was some really cool camera angles in the
beginning. But then also when she was in
the apartment, like you would think something is going to be
coming her coming for her like from the back or something like
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from a doorway or something. Nothing really happened, which I
feel like that was like a missedopportunity, But I still liked
the camera angles where it kind of kept you on your toes, like
something back there or something gonna pop out or
something gonna peek out. So she did a great job.
So shout out to the cinematographer because I have a
bone to pick with the writing and the directing.
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Well, those are my final thoughts on cinematography.
Yeah, no, for sure, it was great.
I have no feedback on the cinematography either.
OK, so let's hear it. Since I kind of monopolized the
cinematography, what were your thoughts on the writing?
So for the writing, I just felt like it could have been better.
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One big thing I did not like about the writing is that there
was so much exposition. And one thing she's on her phone
reading, like, what's happening in the movie.
And I'm like, you don't need to tell us that.
Like, I think we're a little smart enough to like, figure
out, OK, this is like a ritual. Like, you don't have to like,
force feed us what's going to happen or like, what is
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happening, Like we can figure itout on our own.
So I feel like they should have left some of that out.
Maybe her phone should have diedearlier.
And, you know, she could have been reading some of it and then
it cut out. And we kind of, like, put the
puzzle pieces together. And then some lines just didn't
feel genuine. Like, I don't think that's
something you would say to your grandmother's corpse, even if
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you were estranged. There were, like, certain lines
that she would say to her grandma.
It just felt out of character because obviously she had
respect for her in a way. But the lines that were
delivered were very, like, I don't.
You're just like a random corpselying on the couch, you know?
So I felt like they could have, I don't know, worked on some of
that, too. But those are my thoughts on the
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writing. Yeah, no, I agree.
Are you talking about when she says fuck this and fuck you?
Yeah, like. OK, yeah, so there's a part for
those who haven't seen it, whereshe like, discovers that the
grandma has like a hidden ritualcloset basically, and then she's
like slams the door. And granted, she thinks that the
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grandma cursed her at this point, but she's like fuck this
and fuck you. I agree.
I thought that that was weird ingeneral.
I felt like the way she handled the entire situation was weird.
I do think that the dialogue waswritten really well from a
Mexican American. Or like I don't actually.
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I don't even, I'm not positive she was Mexican because they
mentioned like South African culture at some point.
So I don't know if they may havebeen somewhere else, but the
second generation Hispanic American think I guess, or
theme, I feel was done really well with code switching and
dialogue where she clearly speaks more English with white
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accent on her Spanish words towards the beginning and then
she loses it throughout. I felt that that was done very
well when it comes to dialogue. And it's funny because this
entire movie, even when we said it last week, when we said we're
covering Rosario, I was like, doI say Rosario or do I say
Rosario because you're it's engraved in you?
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Like I grew up in El Paso, but then I moved to Phoenix and I
quickly learned that people would always ask me like, what
did you say when I would pronounce something correctly or
I'll never forget. I was like teased at work one
time cuz I said Mesa instead of Mesa.
And they're like, what are you talking about?
And I'm like, it's literally a Spanish, Spanish word.
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Like you don't say Mesa. Like I don't know, like to me
I'm like, it's table. If you're saying it in English,
you would say table, not Mesa. You know?
So throughout time, I've whitewashed my own language
based on who I'm speaking to. And even as a creator, I
sometimes feel like, well, most of my audience doesn't know
Spanish. And so watching this film, it
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was very like, very relatable inthat sense.
And also by the end I was like, no, screw that.
I'm gonna say Rosario because that's how the name should be
said, you know? Yeah, for sure.
Even El Paso. We call it El Paso, but it's El
Paso. El Paso, yes.
And it's funny because like in general growing up there, I did
call it El Paso. Like, there are certain things
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that I do naturally say English,but then there are sometimes
when I do intentionally switch code, switch to say it in a way
that the audience is going to receive it, you know.
So I do feel like that part of the writing was done very well
and they carried it through the entire way.
And I think maybe the part of her telling her dad, like, I
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can't pray in Spanish was more so from embarrassment, like that
whole, like, well, I don't want you to hear how bad my Spanish
has gotten. But when she's alone, she's OK
with it. But as far as, like, the writing
and pacing, I don't know. The way she handled the entire
situation was strange. Yeah.
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I don't even know how to explainit.
But just like, from the very beginning, like the way she
dealt with her grandma's body, like, she grabs the arm, like,
they. So the landlord had covered the
grandma's body. And she, of course, like, wants
to see it. And I feel like deep down, I
would, too. Like it's.
Yeah, for sure. It's.
Crazy. But I would also just want to
see so that it's like not in my head.
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Like what could it possibly looklike?
And then she uncovers it. It's crazy, obviously, but then
she like starts touching the grandma's body, like examining
it. And at that point I feel like I
would have washed my hands or done something like it just
seemed weird because she clearlywasn't just like, oh, passed
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away a couple minutes ago. Like her body was already
decayed and processing. But then it moves on to her like
attempting to clean the apartment.
And I was like, OK, that's very Latina branded like your
instinct just to clean and stuff.
But it just felt weird like it wasn't.
What would a girl really do in this situation?
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Like there's a lot of, there wasn't ever a lot of emotion.
I feel like it was always very like factual, like this is
what's happening. And then even the part where she
discovers the chamber, whatever it is, I don't know what it's
called. It's funny because she initially
goes like, Nope, not going to mess with it, closes it.
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But that part is the debate of the movie.
Like is she going to go on this journey or not?
And it just happened like nothing.
Like she waited like what, 2 seconds before she was like,
this is a curse and I'm gonna figure it out.
Like there was no, even though you felt like there was too much
of her figuring it out, I feel like she figured it out too
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quickly. Like who does that?
Like who discovers like a ritualarea closes it and there's like,
never mind, I'm going to check. OK, this is clearly a curse.
I'm going to figure it out. Like it just felt very quick on
the nose, like you said, but at the same time not she didn't
debate it over it enough. Like, this was a really big
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journey for someone to go on, and it gave final girl energy.
Like, I'm not gonna lose at this.
But at the same time, there was never really a struggle on her
part. Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, when she was touching the body, I feel like that was also
too quick. Like, yes, you have the
curiosity. You're like, what's under,
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what's under the sheet? What does it look like?
So definitely, I feel like, yeah, OK, that's true.
I would wanna kind of be curious, like, what's under the
sheet. But then, yeah, like,
manhandling her, like looking ather jewelry, I'm like, that
feels weird. That just doesn't feel genuine.
And then dragging her body to the room like.
Yeah, I forgot about that. That was.
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Why are you dragging her body tothe roof?
Like just leave the body on the couch and do the OR yeah, I
don't know. It was, I don't even know why
she did it. And then same.
I love that when she found the chamber or the secret room,
she's like, Nope, I'm out of here.
So I, I was like, OK, a little realism if I wouldn't want to
touch that either. But then she just like, like you
said, she came in so quick. Like we should have saw
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something that encouraged her togo into that room.
Like, OK, I don't want to go into that room or in that secret
chamber, but if I want to figurethis out, I have to go in there.
So that was, yeah, I agree. That was the missed opportunity
where they kind of like should have had a scare outside in the
kitchen or outside in the livingroom that brought her back into
the room to go into that chamber.
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So yeah. Yeah, which is weird because now
that now that you bring up the like, kitchen living area, in a
way they kind of that was almostlike the safe zone of the house
because it never really like goes in there until the very
end. And now I'm kind of like, they
should have kind of not let thathappen either because the whole
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movie only happens in those two rooms.
But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, definitely.
They didn't think through some of those things.
It feels like most of their intentional writing and research
went into the actual like, religion that they were talking
about and like the rituals behind it.
And then of course, like ensuring that the whole like,
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immigrant story was told correctly too, I feel.
So maybe we could get into the characters more because I feel
like there's a lot to be said about the actual characters.
Going off of Rosario's character, I wasn't a big fan of
her acting. Really.
And I don't know, I actually, I want to say that I think it was
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more the director's shortcomingsthan the acting, because she did
do a really good job. She was very likable, kind of
like we had talked about with Megan Fahey.
I feel like she was the Hispanicversion of that.
Like I couldn't get over how pretty I thought she was.
I really loved her final girl energy, but I just felt like
there was never enough emotion. Especially like with the
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grandma. Like we said, you never really
felt her sadness over it. And I feel like they really had
to say that she felt like guilt and shame over what she did
versus like really showing it. Like I don't feel that I ever
felt emotionally connected to her other than like relating.
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Yes, but I didn't like feel Binks from her if that makes
sense. Yeah, I actually don't think she
was a bad actress. I thought she was.
She was good, but I just think she was given like weird lines
to say. So like the part where she's
like F you. And then there was another part
where she finally is like has the book open of spells and
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she's like reading it and she's like, this is your fault.
And I'm like, that's something Idon't know.
I just didn't feel like actual lines someone would say in that
situation. So I blame the director and I
blame the writer, unfortunately.So I think yeah, yeah.
No. And I agree.
That's why I said I don't think it's her.
I think it's the shortcomings ofthe director because I do think
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she did like it wasn't ever like, wow, that's bad acting or
cringe cringe. It was just more so like I never
felt from her. And that should have definitely
been feedback that the director was giving her.
Like, no, I need you to push harder or go further, cry, like
do something, you know, and thatnever happened.
But I do think that the mom was cast very well.
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I mean, I think everyone's casting was great.
Of course it, like I said, it goes back to the directing, but
the mom's character specificallyI feel was done so well because
she kind of does look evil. And it leaves you wondering
like, is the mom bad or not? And then the twist is that it
was the dad. I mean, the dad wasn't bad
either, but it's just like that.The mom's casting was good
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because from the very beginning I was like, oh, that mom's evil
and she wasn't. Yeah, the mom, like, scared me
and I kind of, I kind of felt bad for the mom because
obviously she had been through alot.
So you can tell she's kind of, Idon't know, maybe I don't know,
bitter, but just like tired, I guess you can say.
But yeah, the mom's character was definitely kind of like a
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red herring, like, oh, she's she's the one that's doing all
this stuff. And yeah, she was definitely
looked terrifying. Like I'm scared of her, which is
kind of true. Like with like strict moms, like
strict, you know, Mexican moms. I was like, that's what I
envisioned. Yes, I was literally about to
say that that it's very on brand, especially because it's
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always like the Super strict Senora.
And then you know, you always know that it's because they've
been through some shit at the end of the day, like this story,
but at the same time, like some kind of like spooky presents to
her. I don't know.
It's it was, I don't know, it was just done very well.
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The dad. I don't I didn't look him up,
but he felt familiar and I'm like, I don't know if he's just
like was cast so well for like aMexican dad, but he felt like
very on point for me. The grandma was kind of strange
to me. I don't know, just like not what
I expect from a Hispanic grandmother for some reason, and
I don't know why. Maybe we just didn't see her
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enough either that she like never became familiar if that
makes sense. But the neighbor's character was
kind of like throw you off character in my opinion.
I don't feel like his character ever paid off though.
Like why was Rosario so mean to him and why was he sick?
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Like I thought him being sick was going to be tied to the
story somehow. And I don't know like his
character just never really paidoff.
Like he didn't help in the end. He it wasn't tied to the story,
it was just very strange. I agree.
I don't see the point of that character cuz that yeah, he
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really didn't have a point. I feel like why did she just
give him the air fryer? And for people who haven't seen
it, he keeps talking on the apartment door asking for her to
return, you know, the air fryer that he had lent to the grandma
and she doesn't believe that there's an air fryer.
So I'm like, why can't you just check there's an air fryer in
the kitchen and give it back to him?
So I was like, why is this a thing?
It felt like there was no point to his character and no point to
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the air fryer, except for the joke at the end where they find
the air fryer. But yeah, I agree it was kind of
pointless. Yeah, it was strange.
And also they made a point of saying he was sick and I'm just
like why? I kept saying that.
He was gonna be, yeah, I was like, he's gonna be sick because
like, they're drawing energy from him or something.
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But it was never stated. So yeah, I don't know.
It was strange, but I don't know.
Any other thoughts on casting and characters?
No, I think, I really, I think Iagree with a lot of what you
said about the characters. So nothing else to to add.
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Sorry, I feel like I'm monopolizing this.
Really. No, you're fine.
OK. And then we have kills and
scares for the film. I feel like there weren't that
many kills but. No, not until the end.
The scares. I kind of like that they weren't
really relying on jump scares that much.
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I do feel like maybe they could have had one, maybe one that
actually paid off because I feellike they did try to have some
jump scares in there, but I feellike they could have just done,
I don't know, something scarier.1 scene that I really, or one
scare that I did really like waswhen she gets under the bed and
like she she sees the shoes likewalk, but then she pulls the
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curtain or like the bed sheet and then you see like there's
nobody in the shoes. I feel like there could have
been like something else to like, I don't know, get her like
pop out or like, I don't know, just something else to like add
to that scene. Even though I do feel like the
scene was powerful, What happenswhen it explains it at the end?
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But I didn't like the kills. I feel like they weren't
necessary. Like why kill the neighbor?
Why kill the dad? If all those things happened at
the end of the movie, I feel like there's three dead bodies
in this apartment and the cops show up like what happened?
This wasn't an accident. Something happened in this
apartment and she was just like,let go.
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I don't know. It just didn't really make
sense. The kills didn't make sense.
I don't think they were necessary in the movie.
Yeah, that makes sense. I agree with that.
I agree to as far as, like what you said, the scene with the bed
and the shoes and you expected something more to still happen.
I think that's how I constantly felt throughout the film where I
was like, oh, something scary isabout to happen and then it
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never really did. And I feel like with the jump
scares, they were missing sound,like you kind of Mr. Spooks has
talked about this before and like other podcasts and stuff.
But sound is a really big part of building anxiety and terror,
I guess in horror. And I think that that's kind of
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what this film was lacking 'cause there were a lot of
opportunities for that to happen.
But it that's the sound wasn't there.
And then as far as the the like kills and stuff, the this is
kind of going to get into practical effects and CGI.
The kills were like not just thekills, but like the scary things
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were done very well from a practical effects perspective.
We were really surprised that a lot of it was done with like
practical, practical effects andnot CGI.
But I don't know. I also wasn't sure if like some
of the things were accurate. Like the grandma's body did not
look like a real dead body. It's clearly looked like it was
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done for show I guess like for effect of the story and I don't
know how accurate it was. And that also kind of made me
keep coming out of it cuz I was like, is she supposed like how
long has she been dead and is that normal?
And then it also made me wonder at some point, like what does
happen to blood in your body? It just sent me like side
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questing in my brain a lot of like the things that were
happening because it didn't feelreal.
And therefore it was leading me to like, is that what it would
look like and stuff. But then some things were done
really well, like when the like green stuff came out of the
mouth, the hand coming out of the mouth too was Mr. Spooks
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told me was also a practical effect.
So like everything was done verywell from a production quality
perspective, but I don't know that it felt real or like
realistic. So it took me out a lot.
Yeah, I kind of also agree with the grandma's body.
Like there was some scenes whereI'm like, is that what happens
when there's a dead body? Like how long has that body been
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there for it to look like this? Or how long has that body been
there for there to be no blood in certain parts of her body?
And yeah, I felt the same way. I was, I started thinking
instead of like paying attentionto that movie.
And I was like, oh, is there no blood in the fingers when you
cut it when you die? So it's.
Yeah, I agree. I was like, yeah, you your mind
kind of just like wanders off because so many things are just
happening where you're like, that's weird.
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And then the I did like the practical effects, the hand
coming out of the mouth. That was pretty cool.
And then I think it even went into CGI in some scenes because
the mouth like had opened like so big for the spirit to come
out, which I thought I could tell it was CGI, but I thought
it was like a really cool visualof a spirit coming out of like
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the mouth and kind of like coming from deep within the
grandma. So that was cool.
So I have no complaints about the CGI or the practical
effects, just that it made me wander like oh is that what a
dead body does? Yeah, weird side quest research
will be doing, but yeah, it was cool.
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And then as far as I feel like those are all very on the nose
criticisms we've had or not so on the nose, but I feel like
because this movie meant a lot watching it as Latinos, I think
that's the redeeming factor of the film and why I didn't want
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to say this so soon when you asked about the rating.
I feel like if you're watching this without the experience of
being a second generation Hispanic in America, you can't
appreciate it. Like, I can see why the score
would be lower because you're not going to emotionally connect
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with the themes in this film. Yeah, for sure.
I feel like this is very not that other people kind of
appreciate it. I guess if you're not from like
a Hispanic culture, you maybe you wouldn't pick up on the
things like code switching and things like that.
But I really feel like as Hispanic person or somebody
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watching this as Hispanic, you could definitely find those
similarities between you and Rosario.
You're like, OK, I I get what she's why she's doing this or I
get why she said this because I feel the same ways in certain
certain aspects. Yeah, and that's what I mean.
Like, I'm not trying to say don't watch it, you're not going
to understand it. Or really I just think that
those things are what makes thismovie like redeemable and like a
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good watch for us. Cuz like we did have a lot of
feedback as far as like the writing goes.
Because it also wasn't a bad film.
It just had a lot of areas that it could have been better.
Like we, I always talk about like I had fun watching it.
It was interesting and it was a cool journey, but there were a
lot of things in there that I felt were very important to see
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and probably like my first time experiencing with a horror film.
So a big part of the film is obviously immigration and the
whole story is about the family moving to America so that
Rosario could have a better future than her parents did.
And you mentioned that you didn't like all the twists with
the ending as far as like it wasthe dad who did it and then she
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still. So my understanding of it, and I
could be wrong, but my interpretation was first, I
really loved that the twist was that the dad had done the ritual
because he talks about how he did it because he saw how happy
she was at her communion and he felt this pressure of I will
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never be able to provide the fact the life that she deserves.
So he was so desperate. He did this ritual thinking that
it would bring her success. But then the moral of the story
is don't mess with things that you don't understand because he
did this ritual not knowing thatit was going to curse her once
she reached success, then she'd have to like pay the price for
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it, obviously. So then the grandma takes over
and is like, I'm going to do this ritual everyday so to
protect her. But it's very relatable that the
dad would have done this becauselike, it is so freaking hard to
survive in America in 2025. And in general, like it's very
hard for someone who's starting fresh here in America.
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So I felt that that was a reallygood twist.
Like I really appreciated it. And then when they didn't really
like, explain why or what happened because it should have
been resolved. What happened with this curse?
So then she's at the end, she kind of like evolves into this
good Hispanic. Not, I mean, like proud Hispanic
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is the right way to say it. A proud Hispanic embraces her
culture and her roots. So she's dressed more like a
Latina, not like a corporate professional.
She has like, her more homey office.
And she's helping the man who had asked for help at the
beginning. And she starts coughing.
And then I was like, wait, is this what happened to her mom?
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Like did her mom have a curse too?
Because the mom had coughing at the beginning too, which
confused me. Like why was the mom coughing at
the beginning the way she was atthe end?
And then the hand comes out of her mouth.
And to me, that was symbolism for how you really never stop
living without shame and guilt. Because for me, the theme of the
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movie was that she felt guilt for leaving home and having a
better life. And that's why she automatically
assumes that it's a curse that they put on her because she
feels so much like shame and guilt for wanting more.
And that was the part where, like, I tell you, I did get
emotional and I like cried a little bit, but I feel like if
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she had really, like, brought the emotion, I would have
completely broken in. That scene where she's telling
the dad in the lobby of the apartment how she's like, she
cursed me because I left and I did this.
And then at one point she even says, like, I like, I thought
that mom and grandma would hold me back.
Oh my God, I'm getting emotionaltalking about it now.
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Like, that's really how it feelsin a Hispanic culture.
Like your family never understands, like, why you want
more, why you want to leave? Like why isn't being home enough
for you? And that theme was like so
strong for me. And like the first time I've
ever seen it reflected in film. So it was really strong in me.
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And like the hand at the end wasjust like, you can never let go
of that guilt. Like the guilt is so strong that
it just torments you the rest ofyour life.
And that's kind of what that scene meant to me.
Like, I don't really think it was a like, this is actually
what happened in the story. It's just how like it continues
to terrorize her the rest of herlife.
The guilt of what she did to hermom.
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Well, I didn't think of it. So now that you're explaining it
to me from your perspective, I'mlike, OK, fine, fine.
We can have a triple twist ending.
Yeah, no, but I definitely agreewith some of the things that you
were saying. Definitely leaving like your
home or like your extra household.
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So some part like of my past also is where like my dad owned
a restaurant and there was like the shame, not shame, but just
like the guilt of not wanting tobe taking over the business, the
family business. I didn't want to take over the
family business. I was just something I just
never, I don't know, sounded like that was my future.
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Like that was that's not me. And eventually I did leave and,
you know, never went back. And I definitely have a lot of
guilt from doing that. But also I needed to do it to
make myself happy and reach my goals.
So I definitely like, yeah, I was connecting with her.
I was like, girl, yes. Like, yeah, we have this guilt
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that we kind of just carry with us.
But at the end of the day, it's,you know, we have to keep moving
and we can't have that be. I think that like kind of ties
us down or something like that. But yeah, I definitely did get a
little bit emotional too, watching those scenes because
yeah, you just feel like, yeah, I know that feeling.
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Yeah. Yeah.
Not even, Yeah. I don't know how to how to word
it, but yeah. I just felt connected to her.
And I felt like. I think you also said this
earlier that you felt seen. You're like, OK, yes.
Like that's how I feel in like these situations of having to
overcome how you're not embarrassed, but just like, I
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don't know, you're just different in a weird way.
But yeah, definitely had a good symbolisms and definitely saw
myself in her a lot. Some other things about
symbolism that I didn't want to bring up was, if you remember in
the beginning of the movie, she's like going through this
journey down into the subway andthen finally getting to the
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apartment. And you see like these things
attacking her and even in the apartment, like things attacking
her. But then at the end, it's kind
of revealed that she's been given these like, visions or
like these warnings. And I kind of saw that as like
her family's trauma or generational trauma coming back
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to haunt her. So if you remember, like the
hands that comfort her under thebed, those were like the hands
of Kurt when she was like in thevan and people were trying to
like calm her and make a noise because they're going to the
immigration's going to hear us. And then like the dog attacking
her in the subway was the dog that was attacking them when
they get down you're. Right.
I hadn't connected that. So I was like, oh this is this.
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I love the symbolism. Like I was like OK, this is a
good movie. Like 4 stars.
Like I was watching that there were 4 bats.
I was like, this scene is just perfect.
And I loved how they were kind of paying homage to like,
generational trauma. Yeah, and I I agree 100%.
And I also feel like it's not somuch this is the part of the
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film I feel that they did reallygood of showing and not telling
and why I feel that it might notmake as much sensor like
resonate for someone who hasn't experienced it.
But like something Mr. Sooks brought up was he was like, it's
kind of weird how she just like got into the witchcraft part of
it. And I was like, actually like, I
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felt that was kind of relatable too because it's like growing up
Hispanic death is a huge part ofour culture.
Like, I don't know if you've experienced this with your
family, but anytime me and Rudy go home, both of our moms will
say like, did you hear this person died or like this person
died? Or they're obsessed with talking
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about who has died. Death in general.
Rudy hates it because he has like anxiety over it too.
But like Hispanic culture is very death positive.
I feel like they're so open about talking about it.
And even if you don't believe inCatholicism or religion or
whatever it is that your family practices, you know it.
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Like I was there and I legit first of all, I wanna say I was
so happy and proud to see that our theater was filled with
Latinos. I've never experienced that in a
horror movie. And I was also kind of like
bummed out that it was only Latinos.
Like no one else wanted to support the film.
Everyone in there, the first time they started saying
everyone was whispering it to themselves because everybody
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knows it. Yeah.
And it was like, such a, like, chilling moment to, like,
experience that because we weren't praying.
But it's engraved in us. Like, we know those things.
And so I feel like that was alsojust a really nice way of, like,
showcasing, like, whether you practice it, believe it or not,
when you grow up in that setting, in that atmosphere,
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it's engraved in you. And you know, it like it comes
second nature to you. And I think that's why she was
so easy to like jump into doing it because growing up around it,
you're kind of like like it's like second nature to you.
It's kind of one of those thingsthat like it never really goes
away. So like being around it was just
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kind of like, you just jump backinto it and you just understand
like, as long as I believe it should work.
And that's kind of like the mentality she had.
So some of it was like, nice that they didn't tell you those
things. But on the other hand, it was
just like too easy for her to jump into it.
But I also understand why she didn't because it's also like,
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you know, those things, Like it's part of your culture, it's
your roots. You know the basics.
Yeah, that's true. Even for me, I guess I don't
know the prayers by heart, but definitely if I see it written
out, then I'm like, OK, I could read it in Spanish just because,
like you were saying, very deathpositive.
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I don't know how many funerals I've been to and how long those
funerals are because of the the rosary and the prayers.
So even though I don't know it by memory, I've heard it
millions of times over and over and over and over again.
So I do see her like, OK, yeah, I've heard this so many times,
I'm sure I could read it, you know, and perform the ritual on
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my own. So yeah, I agree with that.
Yeah, I don't know. And that's why I feel like it's
funny because coming off of Sinners, which was so amazing,
it was funny because the whole time I was thinking, I was like,
I didn't know much about black culture, but I got this.
Yeah. And it just felt so nice and
like, yes, I wish that it had been to the level and quality
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that Sinners was, and hopefully that'll come in time.
But for me, it was just like, there was enough right about my
culture and my story and upbringing in this that like, I
cannot say it was a bad film because it was just like the
first time I've really seen so much of myself in one film and
yet alone a horror film like Chef's Kisses.
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Do you have anything else you want to add?
I'm just upset. I wish I I just wanted to love
this movie so much, but I guess that'll lead up to kind of like
our final wrap up, like our final thoughts of the movie.
So I brought this down. I said I feel like this movie
would have benefited from a little advice from Coco Chanel.
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You know, the before you leave the house, look at the mirror
and take one accessory off. I felt like it's like before you
finalize your script, take a look at it and remove one twist
ending just because I don't know, I, I just can't get over
it. I know I keep bringing it up,
but I just can't get over the twist endings.
But I do like the way that you kind of interpreted the twist
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endings of or that the final, final twist ending of when the
spirit comes out of her mouth, you're like, OK, you'll never
escape the guilt. You just have to learn how to
live with it. So.
Yeah. So you would have been fine
without that final one, right? Or you Did you not like the
dad's twist either? I wish the movie would have
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ended when her father got there.So when he gets there, they're
like going through like the photo albums and everything kind
of like got resolved, I guess you can say.
I felt like everything got resolved.
And he gives her the keys. He's like, go warm up the truck.
And then we'll and then that's when you're like, oh crap.
That's yes. I was like, no, no, no, no, end
it here, please end it here. So I felt like that would have
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been the perfect ending for me where she kind of learnt her
lesson, she embraced her cultureand she's no longer embarrassed
of, you know, her past or like where she came from Cuz she was
like, reminiscing through the photos and yeah.
And like, everything was just like, perfectly done.
So I just wish it would have ended right there and not with
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the twist endings. That's funny.
I, yeah, and I don't know, I, I kind of agree cuz I felt like
that was a good ending. But at the same time I do get
like the dad being so desperate.I love that part of it.
And like, maybe it wasn't necessary to have the part at
the end. Like they could have shown it a
different way, but I don't know.For me, obviously I have some
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real trauma and guilt. I need to deal with it.
But I was just like, yeah, granted it's not a demon, but I
live with it daily. Like I should be calling home
more often. I should be going home more
often. So yeah, for me it was very
relatable. All right, then I guess that can
bring us into our final rating. It's freaking bats.
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All right, you kind of already spoiled it, but what is your
final rating? How many bats do you get this?
OK, so I guess I have to rate this movie The way it was
presented to us. So the way it was presented, the
way that the way it ended, I have to give this movie 2 1/2
bats. But. 2 1/2.
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OK but if the movie ended at that scene that I said where
they resolve everything it wouldhave been like a 3.5 for me.
OK. Fair.
And only because I'm going to talk about another movie for Be
Kind Rewind and I feel like that's not just, it doesn't
match that rating. So yeah, I have to go with a
2.5. How about you?
This one was hard for me becauseI recognize objectively the
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things that were wrong with it. Like I admit it, yes, there are
things that could have been better, but also I felt like it
was therapy for me, honestly, tolike, just know I'm not the only
one who feels this way, who feels guilt for wanting to be
more and carve your own path. Whatever.
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I'm going with four stars. It wasn't a perfect felt for
four bats. It wasn't perfect, but it meant
a lot to me and I had fun watching it.
It wasn't a film that I will like, never watch, like I will
probably want to watch this filmagain at some point.
And even better that it wasn't too scary.
Like on one hand I wish it had been scary, but I don't know, it
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just hit just right for me and Ireally liked it despite its
shortcomings. Yeah, I see that.
Especially just because you go to a movie to feel something.
So for a horror movie to make you feel like a connection to
something or connection to the character, I get it.
So I'm not judging. I get it.
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Yeah, All right, and before we part ways for the week, let's
have a little moment of Be Kind Rewind.
We're all about the vibes here, so if this film hit just right
here, a few spooky pics you can rewind to to match the mood, the
madness or the mayhem. What's your pick, Rabbit?
So for me, I am choosing Westeraor the Bone Woman.
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I believe I first saw this movieon Shudder.
It's in Spanish if I remember correctly, so I have to watch it
with subtitles. But it's about this woman.
I have the description here, butLydia has a long dream about
becoming a mother after learningthat she's pregnant.
She feels expects to feel happy,but she doesn't.
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So it's kind of like a story about overcoming her postpartum
depression. But it's a horror movie, so
there's like very scary scenes. Some a lot of body horror in the
movie, so it felt similar in theway of she was like seeing these
visions, but it was just what set up just had the mate.
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It was just scarier. But and also it was similar in
the way where she had to overcome something on her own.
And there was a lot of folklore,a lot of bruharia that she had
to go through. So definitely if you like the
side of you and you want to watch something scarier or
something a little bit more serious, definitely watch what's
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set on the Bone Woman. What, have you not heard of
that? That's interesting.
Oh be checking it out. Mine.
I'm very ashamed. More shame and guilt.
I'm ashamed that I don't have a Hispanic movie to share so I
need to grow in that I've realized.
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So I will for sure check the oneyou mentioned out.
But the movie felt a lot like Evil Dead Rising to me.
The whole like trapped in an apartment complex.
I feel like there's rain in thatmovie too, right?
Where it's like a rainstorm happening outside or they show
rain. I don't.
Know there was an earthquake andthey couldn't leave there.
Was like something, yeah, so some kind of like weather
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element stopping them from leaving trapped in an apartment
with something scary. So I feel like it's very
similar. I honestly didn't really like
Evil Dead Rising. I know that's an unpopular
opinion, A lot of people loved it.
I don't know why, I just didn't resonate with it for some
reason. But I feel like this film's very
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similar. Which is funny because I loved
Rosario but I feel like they're very similar vibes.
So I might even give it another watch to be honest to see if my
opinion changes. Like maybe it was just bad
timing when I saw it and I wasn't vibing.
Yeah, I mean, I loved Evil Dead Rise.
I thought that was a really goodmovie.
So did Mr. Spooks. I don't know why.
I think I need to rewatch it. Yeah, all right.
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It's the moment we've all been waiting for.
What's the answer to today's Tombstone Trivia?
So I will remove the bat and seewe were correct.
It is American Horror Story, so let us know in the comments on
YouTube if you guessed that one correctly.
And we'll see if we return with Tombstone Trivia or Bone Mary
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Slash next week. Yeah, I love this one.
Hopefully we can get more, I don't know, obscure questions
and we can try to figure it out with our two brains together.
Yeah, that's true. I'll tell Mister Spooks to go
harder on us next week or whenever we bring it back.
All right, Ghosters, we hope youhad a bloody good time hanging
out with us today. Clown in a Cornfield got it
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Right This Time is popping into theaters this weekend, so we'll
see you here next Monday with our freshly popped tour review.
And remember, keep Cinematic Core alive on the big screen and
go see something spooky this weekend.
Until next time, sending you goals and kisses, bye.