November 20, 2024 • 46 mins
This week, I had an amazing chat with Bullseye the Clown! He’s not your ordinary clown – he’s a clown with a mission and a huge heart. Bullseye dedicates his life to helping others, using humor and compassion to make a difference in the world.
Here’s what we discussed:
- Bullseye's mission to fight bullying and the tools he provides to help people overcome it.
- His global charitable work, including performances in underprivileged communities and hospitals to bring joy and relief.
- His travels to places like South America, Russia, and beyond, spreading laughter and healing.
- Training with the legendary Patch Adams and how it shaped his approach to clowning.
- The journey to becoming a clown, including how he chose his persona, makeup, and style.
- Funny and heartwarming stories from his clowning adventures.
- The incredible impact humor can have on people going through tough times.
It was a heartfelt and entertaining conversation you won’t want to miss!
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Bullseye The Clown: Anti-Bullying Coach and Humanitarian Clown
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And so we were just shopping and people would walk by and of course I'm going
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You know, and I'm like waving at all everybody and then I was like, why are these people looking at me so strange?
You know, they're all giving me like this really weird look and my roommate said well, it's because we're not in costume. I'm like
Welcome to not in a huff with Jackson huff where we interview newsmakers
storytellers and all-around interesting people sit back relax
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Unless you're driving and enjoy the show. Here's Jackson
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I Am Jackson huff. This is not in a huff. Thanks so much for joining me as always really appreciate it this week
I'm speaking with bullseye the clown now bullseye is a clown with a purpose
We're gonna talk a little bit about what that is
The main thing that he promotes at this point is against bullying. He helps people overcome that he gives people
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Tools to to overcome it. It really a really passionate guy when it comes to you know, helping others
He also is somebody who does a lot of
Trayable work when it comes to clowning if you will he has traveled across the the globe on
on missions to to help underprivileged societies
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he's traveled to
different places and performed in hospitals to help those
dealing with issues and have a
Smile for the day. He's went a lot of times to to South America
He's went to Russia all over the place and he learned from the best
I don't know whether you've seen the movie patch Adams or heard of patch Adams
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The movie was of course starring Robin Williams
But it was about a doctor who kind of used tumor and things in his medicine
It's a real person patch Adams is a real person and bullseye was actually trained if you will by
Patch Adams, so we're gonna talk a little bit about that. We're gonna talk about just
Becoming a clown and what that has entailed and some funny stories along the way with that
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How he decided what kind of clown he wanted to be, you know a happy clown a sad clown
You know all kinds of different clowns are out there how he decided on the makeup that he he was
He he did come in complete clown makeup
So I I do urge you to check out the reel that comes with these episodes
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To check out exactly what bullseye looks like in all his glory
But no, this is a really fun conversation, you know, how you become a clown?
That's that's pretty interesting and then the amazing things that he's doing
So I really think you're gonna enjoy this one. If you haven't already go follow along on Instagram and on
Tik Tok not enough podcast go follow along or subscribe on Apple and Spotify to the podcast
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A little review on Apple really helps but here is bullseye the clown bullseye. How are you? I'm doing great
How are you? I'm good. I'm good. I'm gonna kind of let you to heavy lifting this introduce yourself
Okay. Well, my name is bullseye the clown
I'm a humanitarian clown who goes to different countries and I deliver food and I
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I deliver food and
Vital resources to like underserved communities. I wasn't always a clown. I became a clown later in life
Actually, like after the age of 50 and they don't tell you all these things when you become a clown
Like when you become a clown at my age, you know how to like put makeup on old wrinkly skin and things like that. So
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so
but no, I my dad passed away in 2018 and
before that I was actually a stand-up comedian for like 10 years and
I decided when my dad passed away to do something crazy. I wanted to take a trip somewhere and he never traveled so
I remember seeing a movie years ago called Patch Adams and
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I remembered that he was actually like a real person and so I
Decided to log on to his website to see what he was up to and I saw that he had a trip coming up to Russia
where he takes like clowns into Russia and goes into orphanages and children's hospitals and
Hospices and things like that. And so I thought I don't really know anything about being a clown
But I think I'll just see if I can go and so I sent him a message and he was like, oh yes
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You know, come on come along. You don't need to have any
Clown experience or anything like that. And so this is like a 14-day boot camp into clowning
Probably I should have known how to do a few other things prior to going but
Looking back on it, but and I never really thought I would clown again after I got back from Russia
I thought that's what got one and done kind of thing
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But then I just saw the impact that the clowns had on all the people that we interacted with and so I figured
There's got to be a way to figure out how to do this once I get home and so
That's kind of how this little story began. I wasn't always I wasn't always a clown
Yeah, and I wanted to kind of to highlight that given that you
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You joined this this world kind of later in life. You talked about how for 10 years you're a stand-up comedian
You said you became a clown after 50. So we've still got another 40 years of
Something going on, you know, what else have you done in your career? Oh, well, I
Was also a personal trainer. I used to weigh about 350 pounds and I lost a bunch of weight
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I just do diet and exercise
I'm not having like any type of surgeries or anything
And so I did get a personal training certification the gym that I was working out at all the time people kept coming up to me
And asking me, you know how to
lose weight and how to get in shape and so the gym decided to hire me and
Give me a certification to be a personal trainer
And so and actually that's kind of how I I bridged the gap after I learned to become a clown
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And got back to the United States. I thought there's got to be a way to do
Boat, you know do a bunch of different things. And so I actually developed a clown fitness program where I'd actually take this into like senior communities
And so I was that's kind of how this whole thing started. I thought well, I'll just do that
I'll develop a program of exercise with balloons and bands and all kinds of fun stuff
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And I'll just take it into memory cares and assisted livings
And so that's kind of how that all kind of started and then it just kind of morphed
As the year as the years went on I worked at an amusement park as a games host one of those annoying people trying to get you to
Play their games. I worked at an amusement park for two years
Yeah, and you've you've always kind of been you know, it sounds like kind of
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Performing so to speak, you know, whether it was stand up whether it was
The game thing, you know, you sound personal trainer. That's all kind of a in front of people kind of performing things
So that just must be kind of your your lifeblood. It sounds like yeah, I mean I was I was a theater major in college
I had this desire that I was going to be, you know the next you know
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Brad Pitt or you know, Tom Cruise that that didn't quite work out
As you can see
so
And so after college, I got a job doing
Traveling around doing mr. Wizard. I don't know if you've ever seen that tv show. You're kind of young so
I was a tv program that was on for years. It was a
Mr. Wizard would do like
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science programs for children
And so he had a traveling troop that they would go from school to school and they would do a different science program
As like an assembly program and so that was my first job out of college was
traveling around doing mr. Wizard and so
I guess I just always had this
Knack and everybody kept saying oh all the all the plays you're in you're so funny. You should be a stand-up comedian
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And I never really thought about it and I thought well
I don't know the first thing about becoming a stand-up comedian and then I found a book on
How to be a stand-up comedian
So I just kind of started doing the exercises in the book and before long, uh, that took off for a little while so
And I that's I think that's awesome
I want to kind of talk about this stuff
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Behind you you talked about patch adams. You've got a picture with with patch adams himself. You've got like
Um on the other side, I don't know if it's like amic kelly or something. Oh, yeah, that's the mckelly right there
Yep. Yeah, so you've got a lot going on and i'll tell you the reason I know a little bit about the
The world of clowns and circuses. I don't know how much of the history of
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Of circuses and clowns, you know about but I I live in india
Atlas indiana now, but when I was a kid, I actually through elementary school. I lived in peru indiana
So peru is a big circus town. They still have it
I think it's like the biggest amateur circus in in the world there
But that's where the winter quarters for a lot of big circuses were back in like the 30s and 40s and stuff
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I think I think like m. Kelly's son is buried there or something. I don't know. There's there's some
With m. Kelly there too, but I can't remember all the history but so that's why I know a little bit about that world
But I don't know too much. Yeah, I want to I want to ask you I guess a little bit about your
You know, you already talked about how you kind of just jumped in
feet first with uh, you know going to russia with uh with patch adams
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A lot of people know about him because of the the movie, you know, robin williams starred as as him
Uh, I assume some of that probably took some some uh, you know creative
liberties and how any movie does but still people know know about him, so
What was that experience like? You know, it wasn't like you were just going to some small thing
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You were going to a pretty big name person right off the the bass or tell us about that experience and then
Maybe you know just to make this question as long as you can
Answer, um, you know given that it was kind of your first first foray into to clowning
What did you find was the the hardest part of of?
Doing it like you would have thought. Oh, I didn't realize this was going to be as difficult as it was
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That's a long that's a long question. So it is. Yeah, if you can't answer all of it, it's okay
I just kept going going
I'm a clown. I I can do it. I can do it. Okay. All right
So well, yeah, so basically that's the one of the reasons I kind of chose this particular tour was because of patch adams and I
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And I know that that's why a lot of people go on his tours is because of patch adams
He was definitely a lot different than what the movie portrayed
And so I actually i've actually gone on other tours with him since the first one
And so I actually was able to do an actual that picture that you see on the wall right there
That actually was the cover of a magazine. I actually did an article
I'm in an interview with him on one of our other clown tours. And so I always ask him, you know
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How how close was the movie to your life? And he said if you thought the movie was bad
He says I am 10 times worse than that. They really tamed it up to to make it into like a hollywood film
And yeah, he's a very good actor
but obviously there were some changes in his voice on the sole
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And he had to make a new movie
You know it's kind of cute
I know his movie was the one where he justeveryone looked super like
um, you know
You know she talks and you know
it's yeah, nothing really
The other one was it was работу
So he was a a wereac Biden
oh
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He was
to go do everything we could to make everybody smile.
And I was, honestly, I was kind of petrified,
especially when they sent us into a hospital
and then they said, okay, go into the hospital rooms
and make people laugh.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
The one aspect that I was really,
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I guess I really wasn't even thinking about it
before I left.
If I had been, I might not have gone.
But the major aspect was, we couldn't talk to them.
Like I couldn't talk to them because they were all Russian.
They all spoke Russian and I was English.
And so I couldn't really carry on a conversation.
So everything that I did had to be some type
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of physical comedy or some kind of, you know,
I mean, I would pick up like little words here and there,
you know, like, hello, goodbye, thank you.
And just enough to at least walk into a room.
But to me, I suppose that was the hardest thing
at first to overcome was, okay, I can't really talk to them,
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you know, which actually became a problem
when we were, they would send like two clowns,
two clowns go here, you two clowns go on this floor,
and then of course, you know, they're like,
the bus is gonna leave at such and such time.
And so we're up on some third floor,
but you gotta go down one floor and go across
and go down and up another floor.
And trying to ask somebody how to get out of the building
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was quite interesting,
especially since none of them spoke English.
And so they were trying to tell us where to go.
And I'm like, I have no idea,
like we're gonna miss this bus
and we're gonna be stuck in this Russian hospital
for the rest of our lives.
But another thing I really was not expecting,
I mean, I don't even, well, honestly,
I didn't really know what I expected.
I guess I just expected we would go and have fun.
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I'm a person that up to that point,
even though I had done stand up
and I had done performing itself relatively
like in my normal life, it was like,
I was pretty much unrecognizable.
I could walk down the street and nobody knew who I was.
I could walk into a restaurant, nobody would wait on me
because I just appeared invisible.
And so Patch's rule was when you got to a place,
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even when you left your home to go to the airport
to fly to the trip, he wanted us to dress as a clown.
He wanted us to wear clown clothes to the airport
and clown shoes and all that kind of stuff.
And so when you kind of go from nobody knowing who you are
to now everybody and everywhere you go,
they see you, they're like, hello, it was a clown.
Everybody comes rushing up to you
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and you have all these Russians rushing up to you,
wanting photos and stuff.
It's quite a kind of a culture shock.
It's like everywhere we went,
we were the center of attention.
I mean, one of the days, one of the evenings we had off,
we went to the Russian ballet,
but we were all dressed as clowns.
So they set us way up in the balcony.
So nobody would see us.
But of course everybody saw us.
So they're all like looking at the clowns
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and seeing what the clowns are doing.
And it got to me a lot.
And the funny thing was, you know,
so there was, this was a 14 day trip.
So we had seven days in Moscow
and then seven days in St. Petersburg.
And so on the first seven days,
for us who thought it was a lot, he's like, okay,
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we're gonna allow some of the clowns to take a day off.
You can not go, you can take your clown costumes off.
You can just do whatever you wanna do.
So the roommate that I had,
we decided we were going to take the day off.
And so we started walking around Russia
and we found like this giant mall in Russia.
And so we were just shopping and people would walk by.
And of course I'm going,
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you know, and I'm like waving at everybody.
And then I was like,
why are these people looking at me so strange?
They're all giving me like this really weird look.
And my roommate said,
well, it's because we're not in costume.
I'm like, oh no.
That's funny.
I said, oh my golly,
they probably think I've escaped from some like mental ward
or something.
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So I just walk around like, hello ho.
And just wearing like a normal clothes.
So that's funny.
Yeah.
That would be,
the only thing more shocking
than probably seeing a clown walking around the mall
is just some random man going, eh, right?
Exactly.
So even though it was supposed to be our day off,
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we actually have more fun on that day off
because we got to laughing about that for so long.
I was like, I cannot believe that I was not in costume
and here I was, you know, still acting like a clown.
That's funny for sure.
So I guess I want to ask you,
we just talked about, you know,
Patch Adams behind Gianimic Kelly.
Those are two very different kinds of clowning,
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so to speak.
So when you were creating your own kind of character,
how did you decide what you wanted to be
as far as, you know, a happy clown,
when you know, Patch Adams world,
or, you know, the hobo sad type clown of Imit Kelly
or something in between,
how did you decide what kind of clown you wanted to be?
Well, like I said, when I was on the Patch Adams trip,
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I was just, I just needed to get there
and figure out what the heck I was even doing.
So what you see here, like with all of the makeup
and all the stuff that I, I had none of that.
I had this giant hat that had like moose antlers on it.
I had this giant nose.
And so I just grabbed stuff from like Walmarts and Amazon
just to go on this first trip.
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So I really had like no character per se for that trip.
It was kind of after I did that trip,
I then started doing all the things
I probably should have done before I went.
I went to like Mooseburger Clown Camp
and I found like a bunch of like clown colleges
and camps around the United States.
And I started going there to develop a character.
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I did like the look of Imit Kelly
and the look that you see here.
When I first started, I first started kind of mirroring
the look of Imit Kelly with the hobo look.
And then when I went to one of the other clown conventions,
somebody said, well, this is like a light of goose
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that I have right here, like with my eyes
and my mouth right now.
And so I was like, oh, I kind of still like the tramp look.
So then I kind of did the whites here with the hobo look.
And then I just kind of just slowly started moving.
I didn't like being a sad clown.
When we got to places, I felt like,
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but sometimes I will just kind of sit and watch.
But for the most part, I like to get in there
and play and do fun things.
So I, and plus I don't like to sit in the makeup chair
and do a lot of makeup because I'm lazy.
So I didn't want to have to put all the stippling on
and do all that stuff with the beard and everything.
So then it just kind of morphed down to what this is.
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And when I first started becoming a clown,
I decided as a kid, I was bullied a lot.
So I decided to kind of do like bullying seminars as a clown.
And so I decided I wanted to come up with like a clown name.
And so Bullseye the Clown kind of came up when,
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like if you're somebody who people are making fun of
and they're calling you names, it's kind of like
they're slinging arrows at you.
And then every once in a while,
there's a name that just lands that upsets you so much.
It's like that hits the bullseye.
And so that's kind of where that name came from.
And so I actually wrote like a small little book on bullying
called Bullseye on Bullying and that's on Amazon.
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And so that's kind of where all that came.
And I wanted to be more of a happy clown,
especially if I was going to talk about bullying
because bullying is such a very heavy topic.
And so I didn't want to go in there with like this,
downer approach and be all depressed.
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So I wanted to have a more uplifting message
and showing the people who are bullied
can live successful lives as clowns.
I got you.
Well, you're making my job as the person interviewing you
easy because every time I'm about ready to ask you a question,
you've already answered it.
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So the next question is going to be about,
transitioning into the world of bullying
and trying to make a difference there.
So I want you to just elaborate a little bit more on that.
You said that you had experienced that a little bit
when you were younger as well.
So it was something that was a passion for you
to help other people overcome.
Just talk a little bit more about that
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and mention a little bit more about what the book
is going to teach people to.
I like said, and I really never wanted to...
Originally when I sat down and I was going to do a book on bullying
or I started just to jot some notes down,
I was really more fascinated and really wanted this
to be more of an adult kind of book.
Because I was fascinated by the fact that there are people
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who were bullied as a kid.
And some of those kids who are bullied become super successful.
You've got people like Susan Boyle, like Lady Gaga,
even Jackie Chan whenever I was doing some research for the book
found out that he was bullied as a kid.
But then they become super, super successful.
And then there's other people who were bullied as a kid
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and they just kind of fade away into obscurity.
They don't go for the jobs that they wanted to do.
They kind of work jobs that are beneath their qualifications
because they are so...
I guess they have such a low self-esteem of themselves
that they don't want to go out for jobs
that they could have gone out for,
that they should have gone out for.
And I kind of found myself in that.
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I mean, as I mentioned earlier,
I wanted to be like this huge celebrity.
And so now I'm in my 50s and I'm a clown.
That's a clown that nobody's heard of.
So that was kind of the idea behind the book originally.
But then as I just started to write and jot some stuff down,
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I mean, it's not a very big book.
It's a thin book, but it just kind of...
I call it a blueprint for how to beat the bullies.
And I didn't really want to talk a whole lot
about the bully itself.
I really wanted to talk about what we can do
to overcome the stigma of a person who's been bullied.
And then when the clowning thing all took shape,
and then I thought, well, let me just try to...
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And I probably tried to put too much in the book
as far as like trying to cover too many topics.
But I really wanted to just give like a quick overview
of what different scenarios, you know.
Back when I was growing up, we didn't have the internet.
So we didn't have to worry about cyber bullying back then.
The bullies made house calls.
They would just show up, knock on your door,
take your underwear and run it up the flagpole.
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You know, we didn't have to worry about Twitter
and Facebook and all that stuff,
and people calling your names on the internet.
But so I do have a chapter on, you know, cyber bullying.
And actually, whenever I started going
into senior living communities,
you would think that people who were in their 80s and 90s,
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that they would be free from being bullied,
either from other residents who live there
or from staff or whatever.
And I found that, you know, a lot of people
were still being bullied up into their 80s and 90s.
And so I have a chapter in the book on,
if you're a son or a daughter,
and you're trying to find a nursing home for your mother,
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there's some signs to look for when placing them there,
just to make sure, you know,
talk to the other residents who live there,
as opposed to always just talking to the marketing people
who are, you know, supposed to tell you how wonderful it is.
You know, this is a great place to live.
And so there's that in the book.
And then I talk about, you know, a lot of reasons
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why some people are bullied and what you can do,
you know, as far as me, I was a quiet kid,
which is hard to believe.
I was a quiet kid in school.
And so I tend to keep to myself.
So a lot of times I walk in the hallways
and I'd be looking down.
And so it was just easier for somebody to come up
and, you know, bonk you on the back of the head
or push you into a locker
because you didn't see it coming.
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So one of the things I talk about in the book
is being aware of your surroundings
and making sure that you're alert.
I tended to know when the bullies were striking.
So, oh, every day after third period,
when I go to my locker,
that's when they're there to push me into the locker.
So I made sure that at the end of third period,
I didn't go to my locker.
I already had that book with me and I went a different way.
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And so I would just start replanning
the route that I was taking to try to avoid them.
So a lot of that stuff is in the book
and that's kind of how you can avoid the bully
if you want to avoid the bully.
And then also I have some advice in there
on how to stand up to the bully
if you feel that you really need to stand up to the bully.
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Did I answer your question?
It did for sure.
And you continue that path.
If crowning stops working out for you,
I think you're gonna be a psychic
because the next question was all about how
the bullying is not just on the playground anymore.
It is on the computer.
And I mean, I don't know.
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Maybe I just wasn't around bullies in high school.
I was, I guess, fortunate enough.
But I'm in my mid-30s, so I'm not a kid,
but I'm not super old.
But the reason why I'm saying that
is because I don't remember the actual,
I don't remember anybody getting pushed in their locker
and I don't really remember a lot of people bullying.
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But what I do remember is a lot of things
happening on the internet,
Facebook and MySpace and people being mean to each other
and that being the drama, which is a whole different world.
It's even worse now from what I can imagine.
People are so much more online now.
When I was younger, yeah, we had all those things,
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but it didn't consume our life yet,
which is what happens now.
How do you think bullying has changed?
And how do you think that,
how can people cope with that?
Because it's a little bit different.
For you, I would say, and correct me if I'm wrong,
but if you were being bullied at school,
at least when you get home,
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there's a little bit of reprieve
because they're not physically there.
The internet is always there.
I mean, it never leaves you.
So that has to be really, really, really, really tiring
and really, really scary for those who are getting bullied.
As a matter of fact, you touched on something
because when my parents divorced when I was very young,
my mother remarried and I had an abusive alcoholic stepfather.
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And so even though I would come home from school
and I was no longer getting bullied at school,
then I had to avoid and deal with
this abusive alcoholic stepfather.
So I never kind of got away from it.
So that's kind of where a lot of the things in the book
was just, and not all of these things
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that I wrote down in book, which is like any book,
and any advice is not all of these things
are gonna work for everybody.
This is just the things that I did to try to cope
to get away and around some of the things
that were happening to me.
As far as the internet goes,
the hardest thing about the internet
is people can hide behind a profile.
I mean, you don't know how these profiles are real people.
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They post fake pictures.
It's not even them in the photo.
And so they have this a little bit of anonymity.
Is that how you say it?
Yeah, sounds good.
So they hide.
And so you don't really know who the person really is
bullying you to begin with.
And there are certain aspects
of certain social media channels.
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I frequent less and less.
Twitter is like my least favorite.
I do have a current profile there.
I finally reset it up after I was trying to launch
our Guatemala tour for 2025.
I reset it up under a different name than I had before.
So, but I only have like, I don't know,
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like 30 followers or something.
I try not to post there if I can help it.
I just found that that seemed to be the worst
as far as cyber bullying came
because you have no control over who likes your posts
or who wants to follow you.
That's why I like Facebook
because when people wanna be your Facebook friend,
you can actually go on there
and you can look at their profile.
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And that's one thing I do talk about in the book.
And that's something I do is I should have probably,
my max followers on my personal Facebook page,
but I have like a thousand.
And that's because I will have so many friends me.
I'm like, well, who are you?
So I'll go to their web, I'll go to their Facebook page
and I'll start scrolling up and down their feed.
And if I see a bunch of stuff that is mean
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or calling people names,
then I reject the friend request
because I feel like this is my space on the internet.
So I can choose who I want to interact with.
And so I just make sure that I interact
with the right people.
And so I just make sure that that's one thing
that I tell kids, you don't have to be friends
with everybody.
I know we feel like we wanna be friends with everybody,
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especially if we're not popular in school, which I wasn't.
And so at first I thought,
oh, I gotta get my million friends and I gotta get,
and now I would like,
and now I also don't wanna spend like three hours
on Facebook at night trying to go,
going through all of the friends posts and going,
okay, what did somebody say about this?
And I like Instagram, because like I said,
Instagram is you can kind of moderate that one as too.
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And it's just looking at a bunch of different photos
and stuff like that.
So I don't seem to see a whole lot of,
at least from my perspective,
I don't see a whole lot of bullying as much on Instagram
and probably more on Facebook than I do on Instagram.
But Twitter seems to be the worst culprit.
So that's kind of, and so I would suggest parents
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to help talk to their kids too about monitoring
their time on there and seeing who they're actually
interacting with on there.
I try not to spend a whole lot of time on Twitter,
Facebook and Instagram, I kind of spend too much time on.
I gotcha.
I want to get to your own trips and tours and stuff
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that you were just mentioning here a minute ago,
but I wanna ask you a question because you mentioned it
in our email correspondence and I'm intrigued by your answer,
but you said something about talking about
the most important thing to help people be happy.
What's the answer to that?
Well, one of the things people always ask me a lot of times
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is, let's face it, there's a lot of depressed people.
Whenever I went on the Russia trip,
I was still harboring all that back stuff
of being bullied as a kid and I was even bullied probably
into my teens and something in my adult life
before I kind of made this switch into a different mindset.
And then my dad passed away.
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So I was also dealing with grief
and then I was also dealing with all these pent up feelings
with my stepdad and the kids who bullied me in school
and all that stuff.
And so I went on this trip with Patch Adams
and our only rule was be happy wherever you go,
happy, happy, happy, happy.
And so we were happy for 14 straight days.
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We were always doing things for other people
and you didn't really have time
to focus on your own problems.
And so what I found was when I came home
and I really kind of was decompressing
from all that happiness,
I was like, grief, that was a lot of happy stuff.
And then I started, I wanted to try to like process
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the grief and the bullying and all that stuff.
And when I came home,
I just realized that all that stuff was gone.
I didn't, it wasn't important to me to dwell on
the bad stuff that happened to me.
Really, my only thought was,
now who can I go out and make happy today?
And so to me, it's like,
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and I know this is not gonna work for everybody,
so don't sue me.
But for me, I have found that the best way
to combat like my own depression
is to go out and to do nice things for other people
and not expect anything in return.
I mean, I don't know.
I mean, there's a couple of people that I know on my trip
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that I connected with as far as like
people in the hospitals and this thing.
But I'm sure that there are other people
who we helped in some other ways that I'll never know.
And so it's like, I just go and I help people
without any expectation of anything in return.
I don't expect a thank you.
I don't expect them to write an article about me.
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I don't expect anything.
I don't expect money from it.
I don't expect any.
My job is just to go out and make as many people happy
and do what I can for other people.
And in turn, that makes me happier
knowing that I've done it.
And if I've helped them, great.
And I'm sure I'm probably on some weird Russians
Facebook page right now because they really enjoyed me
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from 2018 and I made some impact,
but that's an impact that I'll never know.
And that's okay.
It's just, I think a lot of times when we attempt
to do something nice for somebody,
we're expecting like this thank you
or some acknowledgement, but sometimes you don't get that.
When I visit like memory care units and dementia wards,
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that was my biggest thing.
I was like, well, they're not even like clapping.
They're not saying, they're not getting excited.
And so somebody brought it to my attention.
They said, you might be reaching them,
but they don't know how to express to you their gratitude
or that they did receive that.
So I've always just kind of took that with me.
And all I can do is be happy
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and do nice things for other people.
And so I always suggest for other people who are hurting
that that's the best way for them to get out of their funk
is to go and do some nice things for other people.
Yeah, I think that's always a good thing
for anyone to do for sure.
And just like you mentioned, obviously we've got to say
that that isn't gonna work for everybody.
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I mean, obviously there's something to be said for,
if you are truly dealing with depression
and have those issues,
you're seeking help from professionals
is always a good thing.
You can't just always wish it away.
But yeah, I think that's a positive for sure.
You talked about doing things for other people.
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That's a great segue into the things that you are doing
and that is your clown company
and the trips you're creating.
Talk a little bit about that.
As I mentioned, I've gone on quite a few trips
with Patch Adams.
I've gone to Russia.
We've gone to Morocco, Costa Rica, Mexico.
And so on these trips, of course,
we're always making people happy.
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We're uplifting spirits.
We're offering smiles and hugs
and giving out balloons and things like that.
And the one thing that I was,
for me, I felt was missing, I'm like, wow, it's too bad
that we just can't leave something behind when we go,
like something tangible that they really need.
And so while I was kind of thinking about that
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and trying to get my own tour up and running,
one of the ladies in an assisted living
that I was working in, she said,
well, I have a niece who's starting a church organization
in Guatemala and they would love to have clowns come
to Guatemala.
And so when we got to talking to her,
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one of the things she was trying to get started up,
but not really, it wasn't really transpiring
the way she was hoping was she wanted to get backpacks
filled with school supplies to give
to the really poor children in Guatemala.
Because in Guatemala, because they are so poor,
it's like you have to, parents choose,
do I feed my children today or do I send them to school?
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And so a lot of children were not going to school
because they couldn't afford the school supplies.
So our mission became for that tour,
that was actually at the beginning of this year,
that was in February, we decided to buy 200 backpacks
filled with school supplies and take them into Guatemala
and give them out to the poor kids
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or the kids who could not afford them.
And it was funny, we were in this car
and we had all these backpacks and we finally had them
dropped off in the middle of the,
it was like the middle of this big field
up in some volcano somewhere.
And I was like, well, nobody's here.
And all of a sudden people just started coming
out of the trees.
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And I mean, there's like a couple of hundred people
that showed up for this event.
And it was like, the hills have eyes.
All these people coming out of the hills.
And so while we were there,
the woman Kim who was helping us organize
the stuff in Guatemala, she said,
you know, a lot of these people that we're seeing,
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they don't have food.
And I said, oh, well, that's not our mission.
Our mission is to give them backpacks
and to give them this.
I was kind of like that single focus at first.
And so the more I thought about it, I was like, well, okay.
How much is food?
Cause we've allotted so much for this trip
and people have paid to come on the trip.
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And so we found that we could buy 200 pounds of corn
for 50 bucks, 50 bucks American money.
And I'm like, wow, really? That's all.
And then the rice was like, we could buy 200 pounds of rice
for like a hundred bucks.
And so we ended up buying 200 pounds of rice,
200 pounds of corn.
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We bought 500 juice boxes and 500 packs of cookies.
And everywhere we went, in addition to giving out
the backpacks and then also, you know,
playing with the kids and doing all this stuff,
at the end of every trip or at the end of every place
that we went, we had a time where people can line up
and we would hand out food as well.
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And so that is what we're planning to do again
in February of 2025, is we're going to go back
and do the same thing.
One of the places that we went was,
it was like, they call it an asilo,
I think is how you say it.
It's like a nursing home,
but this is a place where families would just take
their aged parents and they would just take them over there
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and they would drop them off
and let somebody else take care of them.
And then they would take their home and their parents' money
and then leave their parents into this little place.
There was like 60 residents
who lived in this particular place.
And so we had gone in there and we actually had our,
the lady who was helping us cook our food
while we were there, we actually had meals prepared
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that we actually took into this nursing home
so that we could give them a hot meal.
Because this nursing home is not like supported
by like government funding or by, you know,
the country or anything like that.
So their only food that they get has to be donations
from the public, you know, and from local people.
And so, and the nice thing was every since we've left,
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so we left in February every, at least once a month,
a lot of the people that we encounter while we're there,
they still get together at once, at least once a month,
take a hot meal to all the residents
over at this particular place.
And I still send money back to Guatemala
so that they can continue to do that as well.
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And so that's kind of how this all started was, you know,
I just wanted to leave behind whatever they needed, you know?
So like I said, when we go back in February,
we may find that some of the other places that we go,
they might need shoes or they might need clothing
or they might need something else other than the food.
And if we find that that's the case,
then we'll just make a pivot
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and we'll get whatever they need.
And we can't always take all that stuff in
because, you know, when you go through customs and stuff,
some things you're not allowed to bring in.
And if you're bringing in stuff that's more than $500,
you know, they confiscated or whatever.
So, which is okay,
because I would rather put the money back
into the economy of the country that we go to.
So if we go with, you know, money to buy food,
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we buy the food there in the country and then we take it out
and then we disperse it to whoever needs it the most.
And so that's kind of what we're hoping to do again in 2025.
And so like, so when we're always looking for
a couple of things, we're always looking for people to go.
We definitely would love,
and you don't have to be a clown to go.
I was not a clown to go when I went on my trip.
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You learn as we go.
And, you know, you don't have to learn how to juggle
or do any of that thing.
Some of the clowns, all they did was hand out the food
and they played with the kids in some way,
whether it was, you know, bring a little soccer ball
or whatever, whatever it happens to be.
It's just really being in the moment
and seeing what they need in the moment,
whether it's playing with balloons or bubbles or anything.
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Because whenever I went to Russia, I had none of that stuff.
So we're always looking for people to go.
We do have some people who want to go,
who can't afford to go.
So we are always looking for somebody
if they want to sponsor somebody to go.
I've got some people that I would love to get sponsored
to go on the trip so that they can see
what the trips are all about.
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And then of course we have like a store,
an online store that people can buy stuff in
and then we get the proceeds that we get from that
is all used for buying food or supplies
in the country that we're going to.
So there's many ways that people can help us.
The name of my organization is called Clowns on a Mission.
No, I love it.
I want to ask you in a moment
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to how people are going to connect with you
and how people are going to be able to help with that.
But I do have one last question before that.
And that is, I've talked to,
I don't think I've talked to anyone in the world
of clowning before,
but I've talked to people who do cosplay
and people who miss mermaid Texas
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and all kinds of different things that dress up.
It's always one common theme.
And that is kind of a thing that,
they got into this world of dressing up
and I've talked to people that do princess parties
and stuff too.
And so they got into the world thinking
that they're going to be dealing with a lot of kids.
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And that is most of the case,
but kind of the funny thing is they say,
and maybe you don't put yourself in these situations,
but the only thing that likes princesses
or mermaids better than a child
is a person with maybe just a little bit too much to drink.
So how do you feel about the world of clowning?
I'm sure you get a lot of adults
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just really excited about you too.
Actually, yeah.
Honestly, when I went to Russia,
I would also see the angst on parents' faces
when we walked into a hospital room
and their kid was either badly burned
or there was something wrong with their child.
And so I would interact just as much
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with the adult in the room as I did with the child
because they need a little joy and happiness
in their life too,
because they have a lot of stress
dealing with somebody who's sick.
And the kids who were in the hospital beds,
they would enjoy, if I played a trick on the nurse
who walked into the room,
because they kind of see this nurse
as almost like an authority figure.
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And so sometimes the nurse asks them to do things
that they don't want to do.
And so they always find it funny.
Like, I have these little rubber chickens that I fling.
So they would get really excited
whenever I would fling like a rubber chicken
and hit the nurse or whatever.
But yeah, I have found that probably
a lot of the places we would go, like in the subways,
we would get down into the subways in Russia.
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And I found that more adults came up to us
than kids actually.
We would actually have a lot of people
come up on our photo.
And that's great.
I say that there are some clowns who say,
clowns are just for kids.
And I've never felt that.
Like I said, that's why I continue to go to nursing homes
and memory cares.
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Because everybody needs joy and everybody needs happiness.
And we connect with whoever's there.
And like I said, I have found just as much satisfaction
and excitement from adults that I clown with
than I do with the kids.
Yeah, I love it.
Now tell people how they're gonna connect with you.
How they're gonna connect with Bullseye directly,
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how they're gonna connect with clowns on a mission.
Just shout out all those points if you would.
So you can connect with clowns on a mission
at clownsonamission.com.
On there we also have information on how to sign up
for the Guatemala tour.
So there's like a little link that says Guatemala.
You can just click right on that.
That'll talk about the Guatemala tour.
You can connect with me on Instagram.
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I think it's clowns on a mission official
because somebody already had clowns on a mission
on Instagram, even though they're not a clown
or on a mission.
And I did have the hard time getting that out.
I did have the hard to tell them
to get rid of their handle.
So we're clowns on a mission official at Instagram.
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I have a website bullseyetheclown.com.
That's where you can learn a lot of stuff about bullying
and just some places that I'm also going to be.
Facebook, we have a group for clowns on a mission.
It's actually a Facebook group that you can join.
And then we also have,
I think I'm bullseyetheclown on bullying on Facebook.
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So you can find us on all of those places.
Plus I have a clowns on a mission YouTube channel.
Well, it's been an absolute pleasure.
I really appreciate your time.
No, thank you so much for inviting me.
It's been fun.
So that was Bullseye.
What an amazing guy.
Just doing so much awesome stuff in the world,
whether it is making people smile
when they're in the hospital,
whether it is providing food and other supplies
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to people in underprivileged communities,
or whether it's writing a book
about helping people overcome bullying.
I think that the work that Bullseye is doing
is just really, really awesome.
I really, really appreciate his time today.
Check out that book.
Even if you're not somebody who has dealt with bullying,
I do think that there's good things
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for self-confidence in that book for sure.
Or maybe learning about that,
those things are going to help you
make sure other people aren't bullied.
So check out that book for sure.
The links to that will be in the show notes.
All of his other links will be in the show notes as well.
He mentioned helping with some of his missions.
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Maybe that's something that you can do.
All of that information will be in the show notes.
So if it calls upon your heart to join in,
I know that he'd love to have you.
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But until then, keep being awesome.
And so we were just shopping and people would walk by and of course I'm going
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You know, and I'm like waving at all everybody and then I was like, why are these people looking at me so strange?
You know, they're all giving me like this really weird look and my roommate said well, it's because we're not in costume. I'm like
Welcome to not in a huff with Jackson huff where we interview newsmakers
storytellers and all-around interesting people sit back relax
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Unless you're driving and enjoy the show. Here's Jackson
I
I Am Jackson huff. This is not in a huff. Thanks so much for joining me as always really appreciate it this week
I'm speaking with bullseye the clown now bullseye is a clown with a purpose
We're gonna talk a little bit about what that is
The main thing that he promotes at this point is against bullying. He helps people overcome that he gives people
(00:53):
Tools to to overcome it. It really a really passionate guy when it comes to you know, helping others
He also is somebody who does a lot of
Trayable work when it comes to clowning if you will he has traveled across the the globe on
on missions to to help underprivileged societies
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he's traveled to
different places and performed in hospitals to help those
dealing with issues and have a
Smile for the day. He's went a lot of times to to South America
He's went to Russia all over the place and he learned from the best
I don't know whether you've seen the movie patch Adams or heard of patch Adams
(01:39):
The movie was of course starring Robin Williams
But it was about a doctor who kind of used tumor and things in his medicine
It's a real person patch Adams is a real person and bullseye was actually trained if you will by
Patch Adams, so we're gonna talk a little bit about that. We're gonna talk about just
Becoming a clown and what that has entailed and some funny stories along the way with that
(02:06):
How he decided what kind of clown he wanted to be, you know a happy clown a sad clown
You know all kinds of different clowns are out there how he decided on the makeup that he he was
He he did come in complete clown makeup
So I I do urge you to check out the reel that comes with these episodes
(02:26):
To check out exactly what bullseye looks like in all his glory
But no, this is a really fun conversation, you know, how you become a clown?
That's that's pretty interesting and then the amazing things that he's doing
So I really think you're gonna enjoy this one. If you haven't already go follow along on Instagram and on
Tik Tok not enough podcast go follow along or subscribe on Apple and Spotify to the podcast
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A little review on Apple really helps but here is bullseye the clown bullseye. How are you? I'm doing great
How are you? I'm good. I'm good. I'm gonna kind of let you to heavy lifting this introduce yourself
Okay. Well, my name is bullseye the clown
I'm a humanitarian clown who goes to different countries and I deliver food and I
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I deliver food and
Vital resources to like underserved communities. I wasn't always a clown. I became a clown later in life
Actually, like after the age of 50 and they don't tell you all these things when you become a clown
Like when you become a clown at my age, you know how to like put makeup on old wrinkly skin and things like that. So
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so
but no, I my dad passed away in 2018 and
before that I was actually a stand-up comedian for like 10 years and
I decided when my dad passed away to do something crazy. I wanted to take a trip somewhere and he never traveled so
I remember seeing a movie years ago called Patch Adams and
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I remembered that he was actually like a real person and so I
Decided to log on to his website to see what he was up to and I saw that he had a trip coming up to Russia
where he takes like clowns into Russia and goes into orphanages and children's hospitals and
Hospices and things like that. And so I thought I don't really know anything about being a clown
But I think I'll just see if I can go and so I sent him a message and he was like, oh yes
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You know, come on come along. You don't need to have any
Clown experience or anything like that. And so this is like a 14-day boot camp into clowning
Probably I should have known how to do a few other things prior to going but
Looking back on it, but and I never really thought I would clown again after I got back from Russia
I thought that's what got one and done kind of thing
(04:42):
But then I just saw the impact that the clowns had on all the people that we interacted with and so I figured
There's got to be a way to figure out how to do this once I get home and so
That's kind of how this little story began. I wasn't always I wasn't always a clown
Yeah, and I wanted to kind of to highlight that given that you
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You joined this this world kind of later in life. You talked about how for 10 years you're a stand-up comedian
You said you became a clown after 50. So we've still got another 40 years of
Something going on, you know, what else have you done in your career? Oh, well, I
Was also a personal trainer. I used to weigh about 350 pounds and I lost a bunch of weight
(05:23):
I just do diet and exercise
I'm not having like any type of surgeries or anything
And so I did get a personal training certification the gym that I was working out at all the time people kept coming up to me
And asking me, you know how to
lose weight and how to get in shape and so the gym decided to hire me and
Give me a certification to be a personal trainer
And so and actually that's kind of how I I bridged the gap after I learned to become a clown
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And got back to the United States. I thought there's got to be a way to do
Boat, you know do a bunch of different things. And so I actually developed a clown fitness program where I'd actually take this into like senior communities
And so I was that's kind of how this whole thing started. I thought well, I'll just do that
I'll develop a program of exercise with balloons and bands and all kinds of fun stuff
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And I'll just take it into memory cares and assisted livings
And so that's kind of how that all kind of started and then it just kind of morphed
As the year as the years went on I worked at an amusement park as a games host one of those annoying people trying to get you to
Play their games. I worked at an amusement park for two years
Yeah, and you've you've always kind of been you know, it sounds like kind of
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Performing so to speak, you know, whether it was stand up whether it was
The game thing, you know, you sound personal trainer. That's all kind of a in front of people kind of performing things
So that just must be kind of your your lifeblood. It sounds like yeah, I mean I was I was a theater major in college
I had this desire that I was going to be, you know the next you know
(06:54):
Brad Pitt or you know, Tom Cruise that that didn't quite work out
As you can see
so
And so after college, I got a job doing
Traveling around doing mr. Wizard. I don't know if you've ever seen that tv show. You're kind of young so
I was a tv program that was on for years. It was a
Mr. Wizard would do like
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science programs for children
And so he had a traveling troop that they would go from school to school and they would do a different science program
As like an assembly program and so that was my first job out of college was
traveling around doing mr. Wizard and so
I guess I just always had this
Knack and everybody kept saying oh all the all the plays you're in you're so funny. You should be a stand-up comedian
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And I never really thought about it and I thought well
I don't know the first thing about becoming a stand-up comedian and then I found a book on
How to be a stand-up comedian
So I just kind of started doing the exercises in the book and before long, uh, that took off for a little while so
And I that's I think that's awesome
I want to kind of talk about this stuff
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Behind you you talked about patch adams. You've got a picture with with patch adams himself. You've got like
Um on the other side, I don't know if it's like amic kelly or something. Oh, yeah, that's the mckelly right there
Yep. Yeah, so you've got a lot going on and i'll tell you the reason I know a little bit about the
The world of clowns and circuses. I don't know how much of the history of
(08:21):
Of circuses and clowns, you know about but I I live in india
Atlas indiana now, but when I was a kid, I actually through elementary school. I lived in peru indiana
So peru is a big circus town. They still have it
I think it's like the biggest amateur circus in in the world there
But that's where the winter quarters for a lot of big circuses were back in like the 30s and 40s and stuff
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I think I think like m. Kelly's son is buried there or something. I don't know. There's there's some
With m. Kelly there too, but I can't remember all the history but so that's why I know a little bit about that world
But I don't know too much. Yeah, I want to I want to ask you I guess a little bit about your
You know, you already talked about how you kind of just jumped in
feet first with uh, you know going to russia with uh with patch adams
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A lot of people know about him because of the the movie, you know, robin williams starred as as him
Uh, I assume some of that probably took some some uh, you know creative
liberties and how any movie does but still people know know about him, so
What was that experience like? You know, it wasn't like you were just going to some small thing
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You were going to a pretty big name person right off the the bass or tell us about that experience and then
Maybe you know just to make this question as long as you can
Answer, um, you know given that it was kind of your first first foray into to clowning
What did you find was the the hardest part of of?
Doing it like you would have thought. Oh, I didn't realize this was going to be as difficult as it was
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That's a long that's a long question. So it is. Yeah, if you can't answer all of it, it's okay
I just kept going going
I'm a clown. I I can do it. I can do it. Okay. All right
So well, yeah, so basically that's the one of the reasons I kind of chose this particular tour was because of patch adams and I
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And I know that that's why a lot of people go on his tours is because of patch adams
He was definitely a lot different than what the movie portrayed
And so I actually i've actually gone on other tours with him since the first one
And so I actually was able to do an actual that picture that you see on the wall right there
That actually was the cover of a magazine. I actually did an article
I'm in an interview with him on one of our other clown tours. And so I always ask him, you know
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How how close was the movie to your life? And he said if you thought the movie was bad
He says I am 10 times worse than that. They really tamed it up to to make it into like a hollywood film
And yeah, he's a very good actor
but obviously there were some changes in his voice on the sole
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And he had to make a new movie
You know it's kind of cute
I know his movie was the one where he justeveryone looked super like
um, you know
You know she talks and you know
it's yeah, nothing really
The other one was it was работу
So he was a a wereac Biden
oh
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He was
to go do everything we could to make everybody smile.
And I was, honestly, I was kind of petrified,
especially when they sent us into a hospital
and then they said, okay, go into the hospital rooms
and make people laugh.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
The one aspect that I was really,
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I guess I really wasn't even thinking about it
before I left.
If I had been, I might not have gone.
But the major aspect was, we couldn't talk to them.
Like I couldn't talk to them because they were all Russian.
They all spoke Russian and I was English.
And so I couldn't really carry on a conversation.
So everything that I did had to be some type
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of physical comedy or some kind of, you know,
I mean, I would pick up like little words here and there,
you know, like, hello, goodbye, thank you.
And just enough to at least walk into a room.
But to me, I suppose that was the hardest thing
at first to overcome was, okay, I can't really talk to them,
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you know, which actually became a problem
when we were, they would send like two clowns,
two clowns go here, you two clowns go on this floor,
and then of course, you know, they're like,
the bus is gonna leave at such and such time.
And so we're up on some third floor,
but you gotta go down one floor and go across
and go down and up another floor.
And trying to ask somebody how to get out of the building
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was quite interesting,
especially since none of them spoke English.
And so they were trying to tell us where to go.
And I'm like, I have no idea,
like we're gonna miss this bus
and we're gonna be stuck in this Russian hospital
for the rest of our lives.
But another thing I really was not expecting,
I mean, I don't even, well, honestly,
I didn't really know what I expected.
I guess I just expected we would go and have fun.
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I'm a person that up to that point,
even though I had done stand up
and I had done performing itself relatively
like in my normal life, it was like,
I was pretty much unrecognizable.
I could walk down the street and nobody knew who I was.
I could walk into a restaurant, nobody would wait on me
because I just appeared invisible.
And so Patch's rule was when you got to a place,
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even when you left your home to go to the airport
to fly to the trip, he wanted us to dress as a clown.
He wanted us to wear clown clothes to the airport
and clown shoes and all that kind of stuff.
And so when you kind of go from nobody knowing who you are
to now everybody and everywhere you go,
they see you, they're like, hello, it was a clown.
Everybody comes rushing up to you
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and you have all these Russians rushing up to you,
wanting photos and stuff.
It's quite a kind of a culture shock.
It's like everywhere we went,
we were the center of attention.
I mean, one of the days, one of the evenings we had off,
we went to the Russian ballet,
but we were all dressed as clowns.
So they set us way up in the balcony.
So nobody would see us.
But of course everybody saw us.
So they're all like looking at the clowns
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and seeing what the clowns are doing.
And it got to me a lot.
And the funny thing was, you know,
so there was, this was a 14 day trip.
So we had seven days in Moscow
and then seven days in St. Petersburg.
And so on the first seven days,
for us who thought it was a lot, he's like, okay,
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we're gonna allow some of the clowns to take a day off.
You can not go, you can take your clown costumes off.
You can just do whatever you wanna do.
So the roommate that I had,
we decided we were going to take the day off.
And so we started walking around Russia
and we found like this giant mall in Russia.
And so we were just shopping and people would walk by.
And of course I'm going,
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you know, and I'm like waving at everybody.
And then I was like,
why are these people looking at me so strange?
They're all giving me like this really weird look.
And my roommate said,
well, it's because we're not in costume.
I'm like, oh no.
That's funny.
I said, oh my golly,
they probably think I've escaped from some like mental ward
or something.
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So I just walk around like, hello ho.
And just wearing like a normal clothes.
So that's funny.
Yeah.
That would be,
the only thing more shocking
than probably seeing a clown walking around the mall
is just some random man going, eh, right?
Exactly.
So even though it was supposed to be our day off,
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we actually have more fun on that day off
because we got to laughing about that for so long.
I was like, I cannot believe that I was not in costume
and here I was, you know, still acting like a clown.
That's funny for sure.
So I guess I want to ask you,
we just talked about, you know,
Patch Adams behind Gianimic Kelly.
Those are two very different kinds of clowning,
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so to speak.
So when you were creating your own kind of character,
how did you decide what you wanted to be
as far as, you know, a happy clown,
when you know, Patch Adams world,
or, you know, the hobo sad type clown of Imit Kelly
or something in between,
how did you decide what kind of clown you wanted to be?
Well, like I said, when I was on the Patch Adams trip,
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I was just, I just needed to get there
and figure out what the heck I was even doing.
So what you see here, like with all of the makeup
and all the stuff that I, I had none of that.
I had this giant hat that had like moose antlers on it.
I had this giant nose.
And so I just grabbed stuff from like Walmarts and Amazon
just to go on this first trip.
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So I really had like no character per se for that trip.
It was kind of after I did that trip,
I then started doing all the things
I probably should have done before I went.
I went to like Mooseburger Clown Camp
and I found like a bunch of like clown colleges
and camps around the United States.
And I started going there to develop a character.
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I did like the look of Imit Kelly
and the look that you see here.
When I first started, I first started kind of mirroring
the look of Imit Kelly with the hobo look.
And then when I went to one of the other clown conventions,
somebody said, well, this is like a light of goose
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that I have right here, like with my eyes
and my mouth right now.
And so I was like, oh, I kind of still like the tramp look.
So then I kind of did the whites here with the hobo look.
And then I just kind of just slowly started moving.
I didn't like being a sad clown.
When we got to places, I felt like,
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but sometimes I will just kind of sit and watch.
But for the most part, I like to get in there
and play and do fun things.
So I, and plus I don't like to sit in the makeup chair
and do a lot of makeup because I'm lazy.
So I didn't want to have to put all the stippling on
and do all that stuff with the beard and everything.
So then it just kind of morphed down to what this is.
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And when I first started becoming a clown,
I decided as a kid, I was bullied a lot.
So I decided to kind of do like bullying seminars as a clown.
And so I decided I wanted to come up with like a clown name.
And so Bullseye the Clown kind of came up when,
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like if you're somebody who people are making fun of
and they're calling you names, it's kind of like
they're slinging arrows at you.
And then every once in a while,
there's a name that just lands that upsets you so much.
It's like that hits the bullseye.
And so that's kind of where that name came from.
And so I actually wrote like a small little book on bullying
called Bullseye on Bullying and that's on Amazon.
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And so that's kind of where all that came.
And I wanted to be more of a happy clown,
especially if I was going to talk about bullying
because bullying is such a very heavy topic.
And so I didn't want to go in there with like this,
downer approach and be all depressed.
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So I wanted to have a more uplifting message
and showing the people who are bullied
can live successful lives as clowns.
I got you.
Well, you're making my job as the person interviewing you
easy because every time I'm about ready to ask you a question,
you've already answered it.
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So the next question is going to be about,
transitioning into the world of bullying
and trying to make a difference there.
So I want you to just elaborate a little bit more on that.
You said that you had experienced that a little bit
when you were younger as well.
So it was something that was a passion for you
to help other people overcome.
Just talk a little bit more about that
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and mention a little bit more about what the book
is going to teach people to.
I like said, and I really never wanted to...
Originally when I sat down and I was going to do a book on bullying
or I started just to jot some notes down,
I was really more fascinated and really wanted this
to be more of an adult kind of book.
Because I was fascinated by the fact that there are people
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who were bullied as a kid.
And some of those kids who are bullied become super successful.
You've got people like Susan Boyle, like Lady Gaga,
even Jackie Chan whenever I was doing some research for the book
found out that he was bullied as a kid.
But then they become super, super successful.
And then there's other people who were bullied as a kid
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and they just kind of fade away into obscurity.
They don't go for the jobs that they wanted to do.
They kind of work jobs that are beneath their qualifications
because they are so...
I guess they have such a low self-esteem of themselves
that they don't want to go out for jobs
that they could have gone out for,
that they should have gone out for.
And I kind of found myself in that.
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I mean, as I mentioned earlier,
I wanted to be like this huge celebrity.
And so now I'm in my 50s and I'm a clown.
That's a clown that nobody's heard of.
So that was kind of the idea behind the book originally.
But then as I just started to write and jot some stuff down,
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I mean, it's not a very big book.
It's a thin book, but it just kind of...
I call it a blueprint for how to beat the bullies.
And I didn't really want to talk a whole lot
about the bully itself.
I really wanted to talk about what we can do
to overcome the stigma of a person who's been bullied.
And then when the clowning thing all took shape,
and then I thought, well, let me just try to...
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And I probably tried to put too much in the book
as far as like trying to cover too many topics.
But I really wanted to just give like a quick overview
of what different scenarios, you know.
Back when I was growing up, we didn't have the internet.
So we didn't have to worry about cyber bullying back then.
The bullies made house calls.
They would just show up, knock on your door,
take your underwear and run it up the flagpole.
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You know, we didn't have to worry about Twitter
and Facebook and all that stuff,
and people calling your names on the internet.
But so I do have a chapter on, you know, cyber bullying.
And actually, whenever I started going
into senior living communities,
you would think that people who were in their 80s and 90s,
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that they would be free from being bullied,
either from other residents who live there
or from staff or whatever.
And I found that, you know, a lot of people
were still being bullied up into their 80s and 90s.
And so I have a chapter in the book on,
if you're a son or a daughter,
and you're trying to find a nursing home for your mother,
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there's some signs to look for when placing them there,
just to make sure, you know,
talk to the other residents who live there,
as opposed to always just talking to the marketing people
who are, you know, supposed to tell you how wonderful it is.
You know, this is a great place to live.
And so there's that in the book.
And then I talk about, you know, a lot of reasons
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why some people are bullied and what you can do,
you know, as far as me, I was a quiet kid,
which is hard to believe.
I was a quiet kid in school.
And so I tend to keep to myself.
So a lot of times I walk in the hallways
and I'd be looking down.
And so it was just easier for somebody to come up
and, you know, bonk you on the back of the head
or push you into a locker
because you didn't see it coming.
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So one of the things I talk about in the book
is being aware of your surroundings
and making sure that you're alert.
I tended to know when the bullies were striking.
So, oh, every day after third period,
when I go to my locker,
that's when they're there to push me into the locker.
So I made sure that at the end of third period,
I didn't go to my locker.
I already had that book with me and I went a different way.
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And so I would just start replanning
the route that I was taking to try to avoid them.
So a lot of that stuff is in the book
and that's kind of how you can avoid the bully
if you want to avoid the bully.
And then also I have some advice in there
on how to stand up to the bully
if you feel that you really need to stand up to the bully.
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Did I answer your question?
It did for sure.
And you continue that path.
If crowning stops working out for you,
I think you're gonna be a psychic
because the next question was all about how
the bullying is not just on the playground anymore.
It is on the computer.
And I mean, I don't know.
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Maybe I just wasn't around bullies in high school.
I was, I guess, fortunate enough.
But I'm in my mid-30s, so I'm not a kid,
but I'm not super old.
But the reason why I'm saying that
is because I don't remember the actual,
I don't remember anybody getting pushed in their locker
and I don't really remember a lot of people bullying.
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But what I do remember is a lot of things
happening on the internet,
Facebook and MySpace and people being mean to each other
and that being the drama, which is a whole different world.
It's even worse now from what I can imagine.
People are so much more online now.
When I was younger, yeah, we had all those things,
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but it didn't consume our life yet,
which is what happens now.
How do you think bullying has changed?
And how do you think that,
how can people cope with that?
Because it's a little bit different.
For you, I would say, and correct me if I'm wrong,
but if you were being bullied at school,
at least when you get home,
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there's a little bit of reprieve
because they're not physically there.
The internet is always there.
I mean, it never leaves you.
So that has to be really, really, really, really tiring
and really, really scary for those who are getting bullied.
As a matter of fact, you touched on something
because when my parents divorced when I was very young,
my mother remarried and I had an abusive alcoholic stepfather.
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And so even though I would come home from school
and I was no longer getting bullied at school,
then I had to avoid and deal with
this abusive alcoholic stepfather.
So I never kind of got away from it.
So that's kind of where a lot of the things in the book
was just, and not all of these things
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that I wrote down in book, which is like any book,
and any advice is not all of these things
are gonna work for everybody.
This is just the things that I did to try to cope
to get away and around some of the things
that were happening to me.
As far as the internet goes,
the hardest thing about the internet
is people can hide behind a profile.
I mean, you don't know how these profiles are real people.
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They post fake pictures.
It's not even them in the photo.
And so they have this a little bit of anonymity.
Is that how you say it?
Yeah, sounds good.
So they hide.
And so you don't really know who the person really is
bullying you to begin with.
And there are certain aspects
of certain social media channels.
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I frequent less and less.
Twitter is like my least favorite.
I do have a current profile there.
I finally reset it up after I was trying to launch
our Guatemala tour for 2025.
I reset it up under a different name than I had before.
So, but I only have like, I don't know,
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like 30 followers or something.
I try not to post there if I can help it.
I just found that that seemed to be the worst
as far as cyber bullying came
because you have no control over who likes your posts
or who wants to follow you.
That's why I like Facebook
because when people wanna be your Facebook friend,
you can actually go on there
and you can look at their profile.
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And that's one thing I do talk about in the book.
And that's something I do is I should have probably,
my max followers on my personal Facebook page,
but I have like a thousand.
And that's because I will have so many friends me.
I'm like, well, who are you?
So I'll go to their web, I'll go to their Facebook page
and I'll start scrolling up and down their feed.
And if I see a bunch of stuff that is mean
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or calling people names,
then I reject the friend request
because I feel like this is my space on the internet.
So I can choose who I want to interact with.
And so I just make sure that I interact
with the right people.
And so I just make sure that that's one thing
that I tell kids, you don't have to be friends
with everybody.
I know we feel like we wanna be friends with everybody,
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especially if we're not popular in school, which I wasn't.
And so at first I thought,
oh, I gotta get my million friends and I gotta get,
and now I would like,
and now I also don't wanna spend like three hours
on Facebook at night trying to go,
going through all of the friends posts and going,
okay, what did somebody say about this?
And I like Instagram, because like I said,
Instagram is you can kind of moderate that one as too.
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And it's just looking at a bunch of different photos
and stuff like that.
So I don't seem to see a whole lot of,
at least from my perspective,
I don't see a whole lot of bullying as much on Instagram
and probably more on Facebook than I do on Instagram.
But Twitter seems to be the worst culprit.
So that's kind of, and so I would suggest parents
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to help talk to their kids too about monitoring
their time on there and seeing who they're actually
interacting with on there.
I try not to spend a whole lot of time on Twitter,
Facebook and Instagram, I kind of spend too much time on.
I gotcha.
I want to get to your own trips and tours and stuff
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that you were just mentioning here a minute ago,
but I wanna ask you a question because you mentioned it
in our email correspondence and I'm intrigued by your answer,
but you said something about talking about
the most important thing to help people be happy.
What's the answer to that?
Well, one of the things people always ask me a lot of times
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is, let's face it, there's a lot of depressed people.
Whenever I went on the Russia trip,
I was still harboring all that back stuff
of being bullied as a kid and I was even bullied probably
into my teens and something in my adult life
before I kind of made this switch into a different mindset.
And then my dad passed away.
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So I was also dealing with grief
and then I was also dealing with all these pent up feelings
with my stepdad and the kids who bullied me in school
and all that stuff.
And so I went on this trip with Patch Adams
and our only rule was be happy wherever you go,
happy, happy, happy, happy.
And so we were happy for 14 straight days.
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We were always doing things for other people
and you didn't really have time
to focus on your own problems.
And so what I found was when I came home
and I really kind of was decompressing
from all that happiness,
I was like, grief, that was a lot of happy stuff.
And then I started, I wanted to try to like process
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the grief and the bullying and all that stuff.
And when I came home,
I just realized that all that stuff was gone.
I didn't, it wasn't important to me to dwell on
the bad stuff that happened to me.
Really, my only thought was,
now who can I go out and make happy today?
And so to me, it's like,
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and I know this is not gonna work for everybody,
so don't sue me.
But for me, I have found that the best way
to combat like my own depression
is to go out and to do nice things for other people
and not expect anything in return.
I mean, I don't know.
I mean, there's a couple of people that I know on my trip
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that I connected with as far as like
people in the hospitals and this thing.
But I'm sure that there are other people
who we helped in some other ways that I'll never know.
And so it's like, I just go and I help people
without any expectation of anything in return.
I don't expect a thank you.
I don't expect them to write an article about me.
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I don't expect anything.
I don't expect money from it.
I don't expect any.
My job is just to go out and make as many people happy
and do what I can for other people.
And in turn, that makes me happier
knowing that I've done it.
And if I've helped them, great.
And I'm sure I'm probably on some weird Russians
Facebook page right now because they really enjoyed me
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from 2018 and I made some impact,
but that's an impact that I'll never know.
And that's okay.
It's just, I think a lot of times when we attempt
to do something nice for somebody,
we're expecting like this thank you
or some acknowledgement, but sometimes you don't get that.
When I visit like memory care units and dementia wards,
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that was my biggest thing.
I was like, well, they're not even like clapping.
They're not saying, they're not getting excited.
And so somebody brought it to my attention.
They said, you might be reaching them,
but they don't know how to express to you their gratitude
or that they did receive that.
So I've always just kind of took that with me.
And all I can do is be happy
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and do nice things for other people.
And so I always suggest for other people who are hurting
that that's the best way for them to get out of their funk
is to go and do some nice things for other people.
Yeah, I think that's always a good thing
for anyone to do for sure.
And just like you mentioned, obviously we've got to say
that that isn't gonna work for everybody.
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I mean, obviously there's something to be said for,
if you are truly dealing with depression
and have those issues,
you're seeking help from professionals
is always a good thing.
You can't just always wish it away.
But yeah, I think that's a positive for sure.
You talked about doing things for other people.
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That's a great segue into the things that you are doing
and that is your clown company
and the trips you're creating.
Talk a little bit about that.
As I mentioned, I've gone on quite a few trips
with Patch Adams.
I've gone to Russia.
We've gone to Morocco, Costa Rica, Mexico.
And so on these trips, of course,
we're always making people happy.
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We're uplifting spirits.
We're offering smiles and hugs
and giving out balloons and things like that.
And the one thing that I was,
for me, I felt was missing, I'm like, wow, it's too bad
that we just can't leave something behind when we go,
like something tangible that they really need.
And so while I was kind of thinking about that
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and trying to get my own tour up and running,
one of the ladies in an assisted living
that I was working in, she said,
well, I have a niece who's starting a church organization
in Guatemala and they would love to have clowns come
to Guatemala.
And so when we got to talking to her,
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one of the things she was trying to get started up,
but not really, it wasn't really transpiring
the way she was hoping was she wanted to get backpacks
filled with school supplies to give
to the really poor children in Guatemala.
Because in Guatemala, because they are so poor,
it's like you have to, parents choose,
do I feed my children today or do I send them to school?
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And so a lot of children were not going to school
because they couldn't afford the school supplies.
So our mission became for that tour,
that was actually at the beginning of this year,
that was in February, we decided to buy 200 backpacks
filled with school supplies and take them into Guatemala
and give them out to the poor kids
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or the kids who could not afford them.
And it was funny, we were in this car
and we had all these backpacks and we finally had them
dropped off in the middle of the,
it was like the middle of this big field
up in some volcano somewhere.
And I was like, well, nobody's here.
And all of a sudden people just started coming
out of the trees.
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And I mean, there's like a couple of hundred people
that showed up for this event.
And it was like, the hills have eyes.
All these people coming out of the hills.
And so while we were there,
the woman Kim who was helping us organize
the stuff in Guatemala, she said,
you know, a lot of these people that we're seeing,
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they don't have food.
And I said, oh, well, that's not our mission.
Our mission is to give them backpacks
and to give them this.
I was kind of like that single focus at first.
And so the more I thought about it, I was like, well, okay.
How much is food?
Cause we've allotted so much for this trip
and people have paid to come on the trip.
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And so we found that we could buy 200 pounds of corn
for 50 bucks, 50 bucks American money.
And I'm like, wow, really? That's all.
And then the rice was like, we could buy 200 pounds of rice
for like a hundred bucks.
And so we ended up buying 200 pounds of rice,
200 pounds of corn.
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We bought 500 juice boxes and 500 packs of cookies.
And everywhere we went, in addition to giving out
the backpacks and then also, you know,
playing with the kids and doing all this stuff,
at the end of every trip or at the end of every place
that we went, we had a time where people can line up
and we would hand out food as well.
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And so that is what we're planning to do again
in February of 2025, is we're going to go back
and do the same thing.
One of the places that we went was,
it was like, they call it an asilo,
I think is how you say it.
It's like a nursing home,
but this is a place where families would just take
their aged parents and they would just take them over there
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and they would drop them off
and let somebody else take care of them.
And then they would take their home and their parents' money
and then leave their parents into this little place.
There was like 60 residents
who lived in this particular place.
And so we had gone in there and we actually had our,
the lady who was helping us cook our food
while we were there, we actually had meals prepared
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that we actually took into this nursing home
so that we could give them a hot meal.
Because this nursing home is not like supported
by like government funding or by, you know,
the country or anything like that.
So their only food that they get has to be donations
from the public, you know, and from local people.
And so, and the nice thing was every since we've left,
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so we left in February every, at least once a month,
a lot of the people that we encounter while we're there,
they still get together at once, at least once a month,
take a hot meal to all the residents
over at this particular place.
And I still send money back to Guatemala
so that they can continue to do that as well.
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And so that's kind of how this all started was, you know,
I just wanted to leave behind whatever they needed, you know?
So like I said, when we go back in February,
we may find that some of the other places that we go,
they might need shoes or they might need clothing
or they might need something else other than the food.
And if we find that that's the case,
then we'll just make a pivot
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and we'll get whatever they need.
And we can't always take all that stuff in
because, you know, when you go through customs and stuff,
some things you're not allowed to bring in.
And if you're bringing in stuff that's more than $500,
you know, they confiscated or whatever.
So, which is okay,
because I would rather put the money back
into the economy of the country that we go to.
So if we go with, you know, money to buy food,
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we buy the food there in the country and then we take it out
and then we disperse it to whoever needs it the most.
And so that's kind of what we're hoping to do again in 2025.
And so like, so when we're always looking for
a couple of things, we're always looking for people to go.
We definitely would love,
and you don't have to be a clown to go.
I was not a clown to go when I went on my trip.
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You learn as we go.
And, you know, you don't have to learn how to juggle
or do any of that thing.
Some of the clowns, all they did was hand out the food
and they played with the kids in some way,
whether it was, you know, bring a little soccer ball
or whatever, whatever it happens to be.
It's just really being in the moment
and seeing what they need in the moment,
whether it's playing with balloons or bubbles or anything.
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Because whenever I went to Russia, I had none of that stuff.
So we're always looking for people to go.
We do have some people who want to go,
who can't afford to go.
So we are always looking for somebody
if they want to sponsor somebody to go.
I've got some people that I would love to get sponsored
to go on the trip so that they can see
what the trips are all about.
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And then of course we have like a store,
an online store that people can buy stuff in
and then we get the proceeds that we get from that
is all used for buying food or supplies
in the country that we're going to.
So there's many ways that people can help us.
The name of my organization is called Clowns on a Mission.
No, I love it.
I want to ask you in a moment
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to how people are going to connect with you
and how people are going to be able to help with that.
But I do have one last question before that.
And that is, I've talked to,
I don't think I've talked to anyone in the world
of clowning before,
but I've talked to people who do cosplay
and people who miss mermaid Texas
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and all kinds of different things that dress up.
It's always one common theme.
And that is kind of a thing that,
they got into this world of dressing up
and I've talked to people that do princess parties
and stuff too.
And so they got into the world thinking
that they're going to be dealing with a lot of kids.
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And that is most of the case,
but kind of the funny thing is they say,
and maybe you don't put yourself in these situations,
but the only thing that likes princesses
or mermaids better than a child
is a person with maybe just a little bit too much to drink.
So how do you feel about the world of clowning?
I'm sure you get a lot of adults
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just really excited about you too.
Actually, yeah.
Honestly, when I went to Russia,
I would also see the angst on parents' faces
when we walked into a hospital room
and their kid was either badly burned
or there was something wrong with their child.
And so I would interact just as much
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with the adult in the room as I did with the child
because they need a little joy and happiness
in their life too,
because they have a lot of stress
dealing with somebody who's sick.
And the kids who were in the hospital beds,
they would enjoy, if I played a trick on the nurse
who walked into the room,
because they kind of see this nurse
as almost like an authority figure.
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And so sometimes the nurse asks them to do things
that they don't want to do.
And so they always find it funny.
Like, I have these little rubber chickens that I fling.
So they would get really excited
whenever I would fling like a rubber chicken
and hit the nurse or whatever.
But yeah, I have found that probably
a lot of the places we would go, like in the subways,
we would get down into the subways in Russia.
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And I found that more adults came up to us
than kids actually.
We would actually have a lot of people
come up on our photo.
And that's great.
I say that there are some clowns who say,
clowns are just for kids.
And I've never felt that.
Like I said, that's why I continue to go to nursing homes
and memory cares.
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Because everybody needs joy and everybody needs happiness.
And we connect with whoever's there.
And like I said, I have found just as much satisfaction
and excitement from adults that I clown with
than I do with the kids.
Yeah, I love it.
Now tell people how they're gonna connect with you.
How they're gonna connect with Bullseye directly,
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how they're gonna connect with clowns on a mission.
Just shout out all those points if you would.
So you can connect with clowns on a mission
at clownsonamission.com.
On there we also have information on how to sign up
for the Guatemala tour.
So there's like a little link that says Guatemala.
You can just click right on that.
That'll talk about the Guatemala tour.
You can connect with me on Instagram.
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I think it's clowns on a mission official
because somebody already had clowns on a mission
on Instagram, even though they're not a clown
or on a mission.
And I did have the hard time getting that out.
I did have the hard to tell them
to get rid of their handle.
So we're clowns on a mission official at Instagram.
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I have a website bullseyetheclown.com.
That's where you can learn a lot of stuff about bullying
and just some places that I'm also going to be.
Facebook, we have a group for clowns on a mission.
It's actually a Facebook group that you can join.
And then we also have,
I think I'm bullseyetheclown on bullying on Facebook.
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So you can find us on all of those places.
Plus I have a clowns on a mission YouTube channel.
Well, it's been an absolute pleasure.
I really appreciate your time.
No, thank you so much for inviting me.
It's been fun.
So that was Bullseye.
What an amazing guy.
Just doing so much awesome stuff in the world,
whether it is making people smile
when they're in the hospital,
whether it is providing food and other supplies
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to people in underprivileged communities,
or whether it's writing a book
about helping people overcome bullying.
I think that the work that Bullseye is doing
is just really, really awesome.
I really, really appreciate his time today.
Check out that book.
Even if you're not somebody who has dealt with bullying,
I do think that there's good things
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for self-confidence in that book for sure.
Or maybe learning about that,
those things are going to help you
make sure other people aren't bullied.
So check out that book for sure.
The links to that will be in the show notes.
All of his other links will be in the show notes as well.
He mentioned helping with some of his missions.
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Maybe that's something that you can do.
All of that information will be in the show notes.
So if it calls upon your heart to join in,
I know that he'd love to have you.
If this is your first time listening to this podcast,
please go leave a written review on Apple,
leave a five-star rating on Spotify and Apple.
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Take it away, Chris.
This has been Not in a Huff with Jackson Huff.
Thank you for listening.
Be sure to join us next time
where we will interview another amazing guest
who is sure to make you laugh or make you think,
(46:47):
or hey, maybe even both.
But until then, keep being awesome.
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