March 20, 2023 • 43 mins
In this episode, I'm joined by Cody Alford. Cody is a father, entrepreneur, motivational speaker, author, and retired MARSOC Raider who served 15 years in the military with a handful of tours overseas. He holds the title of the youngest leader to ever reach the enlisted rank, E8, in the Marines.
Since retirement he has expanded his endeavors including becoming a self-help coach, leading his mindset mastery community called Defy Tribe, motivational speaking, and growing his apparel brand called, We Defy The Norm.
Defy Conformity is the tagline behind his clothing brand, but serves as the ethos for his coaching group, Defy Tribe.
By challenging people to refuse mediocrity and refuse to settle for normal or a simple life, he empowers others to push through their limiting beliefs.
If you enjoyed part 1, you are going to really get a LOT out of part 2. Buckle up and enjoy.
Inside Part 2:
- How plant medicines really work
- What it really means to Defy The Norm
- How your mindest directly affects every result you have in your life (good or bad)
- Why your ego might be holding you back from everything you want in life
- How to access and take back the power you have when most people give it away
- Why most people die with regret, remorse, sadness and how not to
- How to tap into the quantum realm
- How to know exactly what you need to do to grow and evolve
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Bradley Roth (00:31):
Hey, everyone.
Welcome back to another episodeof the, not most people
podcasts.
This is your host Bradley, andthis is the show for those
allergic to mediocrity, croup.
Think and following the statusquo.
And quickly before we get rightinto part two of this special
two part episode with CodyAlford, I would just like to
remind you guys listening.
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but that's, uh, that's my oneask.
and then other than that, We arejust going to get right into
today's episode.
If you listen to part one, youalready know who Cody is, you
know, a bit of his backstory andyou're gonna be set up really
well for part two.
Which in my opinion, really tiesthings together and is, I don't
want to say better than partone, but a more impactful in a
(01:59):
sense in that.
This will leave you ready to goand make the changes that you
need to in your life to becomewho you need to be.
while.
Providing a, a heavy dose ofmotivation, inspiration.
So, you're going to really enjoypart two.
I know I did.
If you haven't.
listen to part one, you canlisten to part two without it,
(02:20):
but it's going to make a lotmore sense if you go back and
check out part one first.
But,, either way you're going toenjoy.
One of the best, just most spoton monologues that's ever been
featured in this podcast.
So without further ado, Here ispart two with Cody Alford.
(02:42):
You went from like super highspeed to like you said, the
opposite of that essentially.
And did you slowly wean yourselfoff kind of the medications or
whatever it was that you needed?
Or did you go cold Turkey?
Like what was that like?
Cody Alford (02:59):
Yeah, I went cold Turkey.
My wife I got this gold tooth,not because I'm awesome.
I mean, I'm pretty awesome but Igot this gold tooth cause I, I.
Cracked my teeth, grinding themall the time.
My butt was clenched 24 7.
I didn't even know these things.
And my wife started to researchall these pills that I was on.
She's like, you're literallykilling yourself.
And I almost taking Tylenol,Motrin, drinking tap water.
(03:23):
I was doing all these veryaverage, normal things cause I
didn't know any different.
Right.
And he starts seeing what theseingredients are like, oh, that
produces cancer.
This produces high bloodpressure.
This can cause X, y, and Z.
She's like, why are you takingthis shit?
I'm like, I'm fucking done.
So I just cold Turkey all and I,I told my command or my doctor,
I'm like, I'm not taking thisshit anymore.
To the point where the guy, thecivilian doctor that was
prescribing me all these uppers,when I told him that I wasn't
(03:45):
taking them anymore, he waspissed cuz I told him like, Hey
man, that's just not working forme.
And this is like after monthsdoing it.
He wanted to give me more, hewanted to put me on Ritalin.
Now, in addition to all theseother things, I'm like, no.
and he didn't understand.
He was pissed off.
And then I found out like, yo,every prescription he makes, he
gets a cut.
Yeah.
So of course he's pissed becauseI'm an easy target.
(04:06):
I'm a fucking helpless veteran,or I'm active duty guy that is
clearly desperate.
If they would've said, lick thisturd and you'll be cured, I
would've licked a whole pile ofshit.
I was that desperate because Iwas mm-hmm.
dying, dude.
I was literally fucking dying.
And so, yeah, just quitting coldTurkey and that really set me up
in the trajectory to start doingall these other healthier things
(04:27):
in my life to, to take my powerback cuz I, I, I was powerless.
I gave it all away depending onmedication, depending on, you
know, other people to come helpme out when I needed to just
take a hard look at what I wasdoing with my life, where it was
going and what I wanted it tobecome.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (04:43):
That's crazy.
And so combining, getting off ofthat stuff with spending all
this time outdoors withyourself, with your own mind, I
think that's something that alot of people avoid.
Cody Alford (04:56):
I mean, people wanna have a conversation with
themselves.
You know, people can't even sitfucking silent, bro.
You know, people can't evenbarely have a conversation with
a significant other anymore.
Or like a friend, they're ontheir fucking phone.
Mm-hmm.
what makes you think they can gosit in silence?
I asked, you know, I'm a hugeproponent of journaling.
Journaling changed my life gaveme an opportunity to, to talk to
myself, to allow myself tospeak, allow myself to tap into
(05:19):
consciousness.
Right.
And people won't do that.
Mm-hmm.
not everybody, but a lot ofpeople don't want to cuz people
don't want to heal themselves.
Yes.
They were their bandaid on andcontinue on.
Well, when you do that, you justend up with a life full of
fucking half-assed involvementand then you die with regret.
Cause there's always that onething you wanna do.
And it doesn't have to bemassive.
(05:39):
It could just be that one.
It could be something that's so.
that you have full power of.
People will just deny themselvesthat because it looks like work
and it's uncomfortable.
And being in this fan in themiddle of nowhere with no cell
phone service, just my fuckingthoughts, doing plant medicine,
doing journaling, doing breathwork, meditating, you know,
doing all these things, werecomp.
(06:00):
I made fun of all that shit.
I was never about that stuff.
You know, I remember back inlike 2008, So 10 years-ish
before all this, I remembermarsoc, I'm at the schoolhouse
now.
We just started the schoolhousepipeline and to train future
special operators and I was oneof the first set of instructors
there.
And I remember we brought inthis like samurai warrior
(06:22):
meditation lady.
She came in to talk about likethe old samurai practice and in
ways they, they found theircheat, their balance and like
found their peace and all thistype of stuff.
And we're doing this meditationexercise and I'm fucking
laughing dude.
She's like, she wants me totouch my belly button, touch my
temple and breathe.
And I'm just like laughing dude.
Like I do not have the cognitivecapacity to comprehend what
(06:45):
she's trying to say.
I didn't give a shit about that.
I was like, yo, we gonna goparty later or what?
We gonna go shoot some guns orwhat?
Mm-hmm.
And I was so immature cause Iwas scared cuz it was something
new and it was veryuncomfortable for me.
Years later, decade later, to beexact.
I'm open to all of it.
because I realized mynarrow-minded mindset, even
though I was a higher performer,high chief in the military,
(07:08):
well, no wonder I suffered whenI got out.
Cause I was so narrow-minded.
I was staying within a niche andnot an environment.
You know, an environment hasgrown with an evolution and I
was just so focused on this onesimple task at hand.
And you know, opening myself up,all these different things, it
gave me so much insight.
It showed me like, dude, you area real dickhead.
(07:30):
You got a lot of issues you needto work out.
And it gave me tangible thingsto actually pursue in life.
And that's what I did the wholetime in the van.
I, I kept on pursuing that nextstep.
I felt like I, you know, mybody's jacked up.
I need to go invest in my body.
You know, my, my, my form.
I had falling arches.
I had all sorts of back issuesand fucking shoulder issues.
And my, my mind, dude, Iwouldn't even self-reflect, you
(07:52):
know, I had to do all thesethings and journaling helped me
with.
My soul, my spirit.
I never gave myself time to justask me like, bro, what's going
on?
Never gave my space to, to cryand to vent to off gas and to
let out to process all thesethings that happened to me,
right.
That I've been part of, nothappened to me, like against me,
but I, that I was a part of thathappened for me.
(08:12):
Mm-hmm.
I never processed all thosethings wondering, why, why am I
sucking my head?
Why am I depress it?
I never even took a time to lookat that shit and analyze it
until I did.
And when I did, everythingchanged for me.
Everything just began to lookdifferently.
And, you know, we kind of askedbefore we started the call, like
that's, that's what defying thenorm is.
(08:33):
Mm-hmm.
It doesn't have to be my levelof defy the norm.
You know, it doesn't have to bethis fucking black and white
textbook.
If you don't follow this to a T,you're not defying the norm, you
know, inside what you're notdefying and that you.
and that's your per, that's yourjourney.
That's your fucking calling.
Go do that.
Do the thing that scares you themost.
Do the thing that is absolutelytraumatizing you to fucking
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pursue.
Because, you know, if you wereto do that, you would become
something completely different.
And people in my experience,don't want to become the
completely different, they'drather die at an old ass age
with fucking regret, anger,hatred, sadness, remorse.
They'd rather die than, than cryto face themselves to do the
(09:20):
work, to actually see what istriggering them, what's
suppressing them.
And it blows my mind.
And I will not live that way.
I'm not this perfect waterwalker, but I know what I must
do in life to grow and evolve,and that shit's absolutely
terrifying and it scares me andall these types of things.
And, but that's what I pursue.
Mm-hmm.
because if.
I'm not defying anything.
(09:41):
And it's not like I only live toDefy.
No, I live to live.
I want to experience, I don'twanna just exist anymore.
I don't wanna be part of aninstitution.
I wanna create my environment.
I wanna be, you know, befunctional in the world that I
want to live in.
You know, if I create hell andhere my world out here is gonna
be hell, why do I want that?
(10:01):
People are worried about thisplace called heaven and hell
when you die.
I'm like, bitch, you're livingin it right now.
By your state of mind.
You're worried about some shityou can't even put a finger on,
but you'll put faith in that.
But you put no faith in yourselfto to, to rectify, to resurrect
your own life, to change yourlife, to fucking face yourself
and do what must be done.
And just to accept, to not dothat, it blows my mind.
(10:26):
And that's okay.
Cuz that's their choice.
It's not my choice, it's notwhat I stand for.
It's not what I believe in.
Bradley Roth (10:32):
Yeah, I mean, you said it very beautifully, like.
your inners gonna dictate yourouter things.
Energy emanates outward.
It doesn't just like come fromouter to inner, right?
Like everyone looks outward totry and change the, the inner
part and what you said, I thinkabout closed-mindedness and how
it blows your mind that peoplelike, and I always say the same
(10:53):
thing I tell my wife, like mybiggest pet peeve is like seeing
wasted potential in people.
Or to take it one step further.
People who don't have no desireto live the potential life that
they could.
Like, I just can't understandit.
And you mentionedclose-mindedness, like most
people are very close-minded.
Like the average person, ifyou're like, Hey, you gotta
journal, you gotta read, yougotta meditate, you know, bring
(11:17):
up something.
Even like, you know, plantmedicine people are like, oh no,
like that's not me.
I'm not, I don't need that.
And a lot of that comes fromego, right?
And like having this ego and.
Kind of a pride thing, right?
Just like you, like you werelaughing at the meditation in
the military, and I think a lotof people are like that, but
it's just a fear mechanism,right?
And it's just this ego andunwillingness to like strip away
(11:40):
from that.
And I know you've done a lot ofwork with plant medicine, and a
big part of what I believethat's supposed to do is kind of
strip that ego or that sense ofself, like break it down and
almost create a room to rebuildit.
Is that how you would liken it?
Or what would you say to people?
(12:00):
Because I know psychedelics arekind of a hot topic right now.
They're becoming moremainstream, but a lot of people
I think, still have this like,oh, that's, that's like hippie
stuff.
Cody Alford (12:13):
I mean, yeah, people, but you said it best.
Dude, we, we talk shit aboutwhat we don't know.
Mm-hmm.
you know, and.
You know, I'd say the best thingabout plant medicine, one, it's
not, people get thismisconstrued where they're like,
they think it's gonna like solvewhat problem.
It's not right.
You're gonna solve problems andplant medicine will show you
what you could be, which you canbe if you just let go.
(12:33):
If you do the work that must bedone.
And what plant medicine does, atleast in my experience, it frees
you from your delusion of self.
And it shows you that they're,you're part of something bigger.
That each person, I, I trulybelieve this.
Each person inside is trulycalled for more.
Whether they want to admit it oracknowledge it or not, that's on
them.
Mm-hmm.
every person.
And it can simply be like, dude,I'm gonna be the best shoe
(12:54):
shiner in the world.
Like, I really love this.
I'm passion about it.
That's called for more.
But people stop and theysuppress that because they
compare it against my calling.
They compared against yourcalling.
And thing is, you know, plantmedicine strips this illusion a
way that you cannot become.
And it reminds you that youalways were.
And the true journey beginsthen.
(13:14):
Begins once you realize, holyfuck, I do have the power.
The power is in me.
I am the medicine.
It's just unlocked it so I cansee it.
It gives me the eyes to see andthe ears to hear so I can move
forward.
But not everybody wants thatbecause it, it is
responsibility.
Once you know, bro, once youknow that you're in control of
your life, once you know thatyou know the difference between
right and wrong, no matter whatyou want to say, once you
(13:37):
fucking know that, holy shit,that intuition, that gut
feeling, that soul creation,that that consciousness, my, my
connection to God, creator,whatever you believe in, once
you know that you have actuallyaccess to that, and you're like,
should I do this?
And you're like, the an, theimmediate answer is no, but
you're like, I'm gonna do itanyway.
You now know that you're fuckingyourself.
You now know that you areabsolutely responsible for the
(13:57):
fate and the path that you walk.
Therefore, the results that youreceive are the results that you
put into it.
If you put in nothing, you getnothing.
And once you start tapping intothe universe, tapping into this,
this quantum field of infinitepossibilities, you can start
seeing life completelydifferent.
you know, and part of that islike, it doesn't just make you
this like spiritual person.
(14:17):
It makes you whatever you needto become, to rise to your
fullest potential.
Mm-hmm.
it gives you access to thingsyou never, maybe not even seen
before.
Like, why are you triggered?
Dude, I just get triggered allthe time.
Even after doing plant medicine,I would see people that were
successful on social media, I'mlike, fuck them.
They haven't done what I'vedone.
Why are they getting thatopportunity?
They suck.
What the fuck?
(14:38):
And I'm like, it took me yearseven past that to realize, boom,
triggers are an opportunity forme to learn and investigate.
If it triggers me, I, there'ssomething for me to learn.
Yeah.
But the common man getstriggered and shuts down because
they want nothing to do with it.
and that's the true tragedy inlife because that's hell and you
don't have to remain in hell.
(14:58):
That's why I think peoplepersonally, personally, this is
gonna trigger people.
I don't really care.
That's why I think people reallyrely on this religion aspect,
these, these, these religiousfollowings, cuz it gives them
something to put their powerinto and to believe in bigger
than themselves.
When that does not exist outsideof you, it is part of you.
It's speaking to you every day.
But if you don't give yourselfspace to actually tap into you
(15:21):
to connect to whatever Godbeliefs you have, how else are
you supposed to be involved?
No wonder you would rather justgive it all away and just, and
reach out for guidance and helpall the time.
Vice taking a step back andasking yourself, fuck, is this
really what I want to do?
Do I have the power to actuallychange?
Fuck yeah, you do.
Mm-hmm.
(15:41):
But it looks like work and it'sso much easier to ask you to
help me out than it is for me tohelp myself out.
And that's the true trap ofmankind I fill in society these
days.
People fucking forgot howpowerful they are.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, so I mean, we, we livein a world where you can't even
buy a structure is weak.
Right.
You can't even buy a housebrand, a million dollar house
(16:01):
without a fucking nail pophappening within the first year.
You know, we lived in a timewhere man, woman created
monumental structures that havelasted for centuries.
Now we can't even replicatethat.
We don't even have that.
Yeah.
The mindset, the, the aptitude,the belief system to create such
a thing.
We had people that believed inso much war that everyone like
(16:21):
so much, this is my truth, andthat everyone rose.
Now we live in a place where allwe do is talk shit and pull out
our phones and record theviolence and tragedies that take
place and expect someone else togo solve our problems.
Mm-hmm.
where the average man putshimself in a kingdom status and
says, you know what?
Fuck you, go do a peasant.
When they're the peasantspointing the fingers.
We live in a, a crazy loony binreality.
(16:44):
And so I try to tell people, ifyou don't not happy with where
your life is going, if you'repoor, it's cuz your mindset
sucks.
If you're fat and you're nothappy with it, it's cuz your
mindset sucks.
If, if your relationship sucks,it's cuz your mindset sucks.
You are the root of everything.
And it's funny because plantmedicine, all derivatives
generally come from a root, aroot source, a root of source.
(17:08):
It comes from root, from thesource, from mother Earth.
This energy source, this hub,right?
And this is root that you take,that opens you up, that says you
are the source of yoursalvation.
You are the source of all yourfucking freedom that you're
seeking.
You're the source of all thegrowth and the prosperity and
the abundance and the healingand the hell and the darkness
(17:29):
and the devastation that youwant in this life.
But people, that's ownership.
And when you take that level ofownership, you're like, fuck, I
gotta do something different inmy life.
And people, not everybody, butmost people don't want to do
that.
It's easier to work for amachine.
A machine is a nine to five.
A machine is something that isnot elevating you.
It's not really praising you.
(17:50):
It's not bringing fuckingfulfillment to your family.
It's keeping you trapped,keeping you from your dreams,
that calling that you have formore.
And that's normal shit.
That's normality.
Dude.
I cannot live that life.
And I'm not talking a shit aboutthe people that are like, cuz
you get the rebuttal of like,Cody, I need my job, I need my
nine to five.
No shit.
But I know people that work atnine to five that have two other
(18:10):
side houses that are doing, cuzthey believe in themselves.
Mm-hmm So why don't you?
Well, you don't understand.
I have kids.
I'm like, fuck you bro.
Your excuses.
How are you ever gonna tell yourkid to go all in on life when
you're not doing it yourself?
There is no victory withoutsacrifice.
There is no growth withoutevolving.
But it all requires work.
(18:31):
It all requires us to get rawand reeled ourselves to be like,
fuck dude.
I'm kind of a piece of shit.
This is not the life that I wantfor me and just focus on the one
thing at a time to move yourlife forward.
Fuck.
People look at me and they'relike, how do you do it?
I'm like, bitch, you work.
That's how you do it.
This is four and a half years inthe making, man.
Yep.
Four and a half years.
(18:52):
It's, it's not an easy route,but I don't want an easy route.
I don't want the same path thatyou can walk or anyone else can
walk.
Cause that's not my route.
We might be walking next to eachother and that's fine.
We might be going towards thesame general location, that's
fine.
But I don't want someone to havethe responsibility of my, of, of
bearing my weight.
(19:13):
That's my responsibility.
Mm-hmm.
that's where fulfillment comesin.
We live in a world full of lackof fulfillment, lack of purpose,
and you have to ask yourself,bro, what the fuck did you
expect?
You're literally moving furtherand further away from your.
No wonder you're gonna feeldisconnected.
No wonder you're not gonna havethis relationship with God or
whatever you believe in.
No wonder you're gonna belacking these other areas of
(19:33):
abundance and prosperity in yourlife because you're only
worrying and stressing about theshit that you don't have in your
life.
So therefore, you're creatingthat.
But the average man does notcomprehend that because it's
taboo and it's mm-hmm.
Cody, there's some weirdos,spiritual shit.
But is it, it's a universal lawfor a reason.
But man is so jaded with fuckingtainted eyes.
(19:55):
They only look at laws writtenby man and not by God, not by
universe, not by creation.
And they limit themselves.
They limit their full potentialbecause they allow someone else
to control them when it's themwho must control themselves to
rise to their fullest potential.
And that is like a big, like,mind blowing concept to a lot of
people.
(20:16):
And that is sad, dude.
That's why I love what I do,because I'm really good at
tripping people and I know.
That's what's required tofucking grow.
I know not everyone's into plantmedicine, and honestly, plant
medicine is not for everybody.
Most people can't even let go oftheir fucking ego to have a
conversation to raise their handfor help.
(20:39):
They sure as hell not gonna beable to let go when they're
faced with themselves to let gowhen they're offered the
opportunity to just melt away,to explode if you need to, to
melt, if you need to, torelease, if you need to, people
won't even they.
That is scary.
That's so scary.
I have years and years and yearsof practice of doing all this
(20:59):
type of stuff and my last tripto Mexico, I just did iboga five
m e o d m t i, I went down therewith intention to just release
all this trauma that I, I, Ican't, I can't even pinpoint
what it is.
And as I'm doing this lastexperience, I'm.
with even all these years ofexperience and knowing what I
must do, I'm just wanting torelax and just let go.
(21:21):
I'm just, why can't I, and thenI just finally do it.
And it's not, but it's not easy.
It's not a button that Ipressed, cleared help me.
Mm-hmm.
It's work.
And it's hard.
It's scary and it's unknown.
It's uncomfortable.
But fuck the feeling that I hadof this decades of unprocessed
trauma that I've disassociatedfrom to just survive.
(21:44):
Mm-hmm.
leaves my body.
Dude, I've never felt morefreer.
And I was operating at a highlevel with all that stress, with
all that weight.
So people tell me that theycan't, but I'm like, you haven't
tried.
Mm-hmm.
you know, I told you the storyof how I was super successful in
the military with such a linearego mindset and, and that
(22:06):
dominated.
And I was a good dude.
Like I took care of people Thatwas.
My accolades on all my othergreat shit.
None of that means anything tome.
How I treated people is like mytrue accomplishment in the
military cuz what they did withtheir lives and what they were
doing with the people aroundthem.
That was my biggestaccomplishment.
But I was an ego lunatic backthen.
Linear as fuck and accomplishedall that.
(22:27):
Being in the darkest I possiblycould be in my van, hating
myself, feeling like absolutedog shit.
The lives I was impactingthrough this rectangular black
device, transforming thousandsof lives, giving them hope and
passion back into their voiceand their fucking existence to
go create and live a life theywant to.
That that was at my lowest oflife and that empowered me and I
(22:51):
was still fucking miserable andI was able to do all that.
So it's, the work is never done.
We must always evolve.
We must adapt and we mustovercome cuz each new level of
life requires a new level ofyou.
It's the same shit you gottadeal with.
It's just on a higher scale andit never ends.
And that's the gift.
Because when you stop evolving,you grow complacent.
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When you go complacent, youlower your standards.
When you lower your standards,you lower your force field, your
energy force, and you startsubjecting yourself to low
vibrational shit horn, Netflixand chilling, binge eating, junk
food, alcohol, partying, gettingdistracted, deceptions, all
these other things we bring intoour life, which keeps us fucking
(23:35):
down.
But the same level it takes tofucking let your guard down is
the same level it takes to moveyour fucking soul up, your, your
elevation up, your energy up.
But for whatever reason, the manhas been diluted that says, work
is hard.
Stay away from it.
Seek comfort.
Seek comfort.
You want the white picket fence?
You want the 401k, you want thenine to five?
(23:57):
I know you wanna start that shoeshine company, ma'am, but don't,
it's, it's not secure.
It's not even guaranteed.
Don't you care about yourfamily?
Don't you wanna provide forthem?
I mean, just look at yourbrother.
They went to college.
Look at your sister.
They're doing the thing.
Why can't you?
That's what society wants ofyou, because from your parents
to your fucking neighbors,they're all programmed to live
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this cookie cutter life.
And unless you want that life,you better fucking do something
about it.
And so how do you do somethingabout it?
Simple.
Seek discomfort.
Do something completelydifferent.
Defy the norm.
Go against the grain.
Not to reject.
Not to revolt.
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Not to cause a scene, but tomake change.
When I wanted to go back to thegun and put on armor and fill
that, fuck dude.
Nothing is more powerful, bro,than putting on fucking gear
armor, getting your gun ready.
Put on your fucking helmet op.
Checking your night visiongoggles, doing your radio check,
getting on a helicopter andfucking pitch Black Knight.
(25:03):
And all you hear and feel is arumble of the helicopter.
Nothing is more powerful thanthat shit getting kicked off a
helicopter.
Dustin's shit is everywhere.
It's pitch black and it's justcalm as shit.
But you're, you're literallyarmed to the teeth.
You have enough ammunition,weapons, and explosives on your
one person to raise war in asmall country by yourself.
(25:25):
Nothing is more powerful thanthat.
It's fucking epic.
Now you multiply that with othermen that want to do the same
shit, that are aligned with thesame shit.
They're disciplined, they'refocused.
They know what the mission is.
They know what everyone has todo.
That's intense, bro.
I wanted that so bad in my life,but I knew if I went to go do
that shit, I was gonna fuckingdie doing that job because that
(25:47):
wasn't the calling for me.
And I wanted to do it.
I wanted to go against mycalling.
I wanted to just defy that shit,defy this urge to go this way.
And I wanted to go back to whatwas comfortable, what the norm
was for me, what was expected ofme.
And I know a lot of people canrelate to that in their own
lives, their own way.
You don't have to have my pastlife to understand this
(26:08):
relation.
It's like a fucked uprelationship.
Oh, you wanna be happy, but youstill go back to the same turd
nugget and it's so hard to letthat version of you go and have
self-respect for yourself and tochange.
That's why people always resortback to the norm because they
stop believing in themselves.
They don't believe that theycan.
(26:29):
And if you could just, justfight like your life depends on
it, if you could just say, fuckit, I don't know where this is
gonna take me.
I don't, I don't know wherethis, this path, this is even
illuminated.
But if I could just walk intothe darkness and keep on fucking
going, I have better chances.
I have the 50% chance ofchanging my life.
(26:52):
Where if I don't do anything, Ihave 0% chance of changing my
life.
0% because I already know wherethis course takes me.
I already know where I'm gonnaend up at.
But that unknown path isabsolutely terrifying for people
because it's not guaranteed.
It's not the 401k, it's not thefucking black and white document
(27:15):
that says, sign here andeverything be fine.
People want these guarantees inlife.
The only guarantee you have isyou're gonna die.
But people don't even take incomp comprehend that they think
they're gonna live forever.
Bro, I blinked and I'm 37 yearsold.
What?
I blinked and I'm 37.
Yep.
Well, looking back on mymilitary career, dude, I was
(27:37):
busy a lot.
It was a lot of hard times.
Not everything was great.
I had a lot of great times.
I, I'm grateful for my, I lovemy military career.
I learned so much, but I blinkedin 15 years, went by, blinked.
But yet people have thisillusion that they think they
have this thing called time.
And you don't, time is not yourfriend.
(27:57):
It's also not your.
it's your truth, but that'sownership and what we do with
our time in this life.
That is what defines everythingabout us.
But the common man does notbelieve in themselves.
That fucking stay-at-home mom.
That 70 year old fucking womanat home, that dude shining shoes
(28:21):
that wants to fucking open upthat car dealer, they don't
believe themselves.
They don't.
They think it's too late.
It's never too late.
Never, ever, ever, ever.
There is no late because thereis no comparison.
And once you realize there's nocomparison, then you'll never
limit yourself.
I heard this thing, it, it wasthank you Instagram.
(28:41):
It talked about how MorganFreeman, I think it was Morgan
Freeman, started his movieCareer, acting Career at 41.
Didn't get seen at 41.
He started at 41, started thebottom of the.
41 years old.
You never would've known that.
I think it was Morgan Freeman.
It could have been someone else,right?
But it might've been Tim,
Bradley Roth (29:02):
Ola, Jackson,
Cody Alford (29:03):
Samuel Jackson.
That's it.
Yep.
Just a badass actor, right?
So like, but who would'vethought that, oh, it's too late
in the game.
How, when are we gonna startseeing these, these clues, these
blueprints that exist in frontof us?
It doesn't matter when youstart, it matters that you
start.
But so many people are justlacking that courage to just
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jump because they can't seewhere they're gonna land.
And that's the gift.
If you could see where your lifewas gonna take you, what the
fuck's the point of living it,right?
What would be the gift?
Where would be the blessing?
Where would be the challenge?
What would be the battle ofdarkness versus evil, or
darkness versus light, goodversus evil?
Where would be, where would bethat opportunity to, to truly
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free yourself and stop lookingat yourself as just a bag of
skin and bones.
To look at yourself as thislimitless, abundant opportunity
to rise to your fullestpotential.
No matter what it is.
Be the best fucking lemonadestand owner in the world.
Be the best boss for your nineto five job.
There's nothing wrong with thesethings.
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What's wrong is people'smindsets going into these
things.
They want more yet to denythemselves the opportunities for
more.
That's the true tragedy of man.
It's, it's horrible to watch.
And so I use that as fuel tokeep on moving forward in my
life, to keep on working throughmy darkness, keep on working
through my hurdles so I can keepon rising.
Cuz I know there's people outthere that want to, and I'm not
(30:27):
gonna let myself down.
And I'm sure as hell not gonnalet them down.
Cause they need to know it'spossible.
We're strength in numbers, duh.
But end of the day, you have toknow that.
Listen, if you're on the islandby yourself in the darkness, you
gotta fucking start that fire,bro.
You're gonna have to find a way.
So this is how, and we do thatby arming ourselves.
We do that by.
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You know, bulletproofing, ourmindsets becoming resilient,
educating ourselves, finding newways to tap into source, finding
new ways to communicate andarticulate, getting out of our
comfort zones, not just sofocused on fucking money or
relationship, but an abundantlife.
I serve it two to life.
All these other aspects that weknow we want in return.
(31:08):
Therefore, we have to give and,and hard work, hard work's.
The key we were talking about,Annie Fra before we started
recording, right?
He talks about 10 years.
He was zero profit.
Now that dude's a fuckingtycoon.
He is the mf, c e o.
10 years.
He had zero return on hisinvestment, least into his
pocket and his partner's pocket10 years.
(31:32):
So when I get on myself, I'mlike, oh man, my coaching group
hasn't blown up as much as I'mlike, bitch, you've been doing
it a year and a half and I'mcrushing it, but that's a year
and a half.
What will 10 years look like forme?
Mm-hmm.
So how can I forget theseprinciples?
And I, and I, I remind myself,I'm like, boom, thanks Annie
for, for putting that truth outthere.
Boom.
I haven't forgot.
I'm back on track, dude.
(31:52):
I'm in this for the long haul,dude.
I don't want it all.
Now it's all coming to me.
And it doesn't have to allhappen now cuz the journey is
what fucking makes me not theend result.
You know?
And people forget that's part ofthe process.
The journey is the way that isthe path.
That is what defines you, notwhere you're going.
Not the end state, not theaccolades.
(32:14):
It's what you fucking inquiredand learned along the way.
Not inquired as an externalsense, but that internal sense.
All the missing parts of yourlife that have made you feel
inadequate and complete lonely,sad, fearful, all these low
vibrational shits that you bringback into your life and you
empower yourself to keep onpushing forward, because that's
your duty in life.
It's to fucking push forward.
(32:35):
Remember your worth, and you canonly remember your worth.
Remember your power when you tapin.
Because you have all the shityou need inside you.
So you must do the work tocleanse this bitch.
So you can tap in so you canfind your higher power, you can
believe in what the fuck youwanna believe in.
And you can find those answers,find those nuggets, and find
that level of love andcompassion to illuminate the
(32:57):
path with each step.
But that's called work.
And that's the differentiatorbetween people who want and
people who are.
It's only it.
This is the only thing.
Work is the way you have towork.
Damn
Bradley Roth (33:14):
Dude, that was so good.
That was, that was amasterclass.
I could just pull that and like,make it its own thing and
people, it would, you know,change people.
So I mean, you touched onliterally everything that Namos
people is about.
So that was, that was great.
And what it kind of, I'm like,how can we, how can we summarize
(33:35):
or kind of simplify part of thatand make it like, right?
People, like, if you're gonna doone thing, here's where to
start.
It's, I think it comes down likemodern society, right?
We see like all these rises inmental health issues and all
this stuff, and society'ssupposed to be getting better
and better, right?
And advancing in all this stuff.
(33:56):
But what this whole system hasdone as it's just made it easier
and easier and easier to kind oflike, rely on the system, just
kind of sit on it, let itsupport you.
Like back in the day for most ofhuman history, if you didn't
work, if you, if you weren't inshape, if you didn't, couldn't
(34:16):
defend, if you weren't skilled,like you were dead pretty quick.
You know, now you could, youcould sit around and just eat,
you know, Doritos all day and,you know, waste time playing
video, like whatever it mightbe.
And like, you're probably gonnabe okay or you're gonna survive,
right?
And so it's like this.
(34:37):
It's almost like a, it's almostlike we're going backwards, in a
lot of ways, right?
And it, it makes it so easy forpeople to just give up their
power to hand it over to likethe system because they don't
have to exercise it.
Or at least it may not appearthat way.
But then guess what?
You're gonna be miserable,you're gonna be unfulfilled.
You're gonna look back and belike, oh shit.
(34:58):
Like things aren't going the waythat they should be going.
And so it's like we say defy thenorm.
We say not most people, we saykind of like reject the system.
And it's not cuz everything inthe system's bad, but like when
it takes it away from you andyou give up your own power, your
own responsibility, nobody likeyour own individuality, nobody
(35:19):
ends up happy from that in thelong run.
And so it's just a matter oflike putting it back on you.
And that's empowering and likewe talked about, everyone gives.
the ability to be leaders andlike, you don't have to go lead
a whole group of people, butlike you gotta lead yourself in
the right direction at the endof the day.
And so I think it's just, likeyou said, putting it back on
(35:42):
you, realizing you're powerfulmore than you think you are.
Autonomous, even though a lot ofus don't act like it a lot of
times.
And and really it's almost likewe need to go back to how things
were for so long.
Right?
When you went back to Van Life,you connected with nature, you
found kind of all like thewisdom and the beauty and that,
and it gave you the space thatso many people lack.
(36:02):
Like, you know, for most ofhuman history, people had
issues.
They had no choice but to sitwith themselves in their head
and work through it, you knowwhat I mean?
Like, if you were waiting inline, you couldn't pull out your
phone and like scroll throughInstagram and think about
something else at night.
You couldn't watch the tv.
You had to lay there and dealwith it.
And so it's getting back to thatand like create, letting
yourself have that space that somany people did because.
(36:26):
You know, that's, that stufftakes time, as you know, to
Cody Alford (36:30):
get through it, and it's just an investment, right?
Mm-hmm.
people, people invest theirmoney, their, their life savings
for that glimpse.
They'll get that, you know, 3%change, but they won't invest in
themselves for the same time,for that same percent, you know,
of growth.
That 3% change.
Yep.
You know, 1% growth change willchange the trajectory of your
(36:52):
life.
You know, I was a, I was a dicombatant diver in, in the
military also, so did a lot ofnighttime diving, and I remember
at dive school.
you are, you know, you're ununderwater, you're diving, you
have a compass, little Kim lightilluminate it, and you just kick
it in the darkness.
And before you go subsurface,you gain your heading.
And for the school, you're,you're aiming towards a pier.
(37:15):
And at this pier there's theseother mile, these other markers
that say like, 90, 80, 70, 60,and so on.
And ba Essentially what thatmeant is that based off where
you pop up, once you reach yourlimit of advance, if you weren't
on target, you would get scoredby your time and the distance
off your mark.
Hmm.
Well, if my heading is too, youknow, is my heading is, you
(37:36):
know, 45 and underwater, I go to46.
Dude, my, my, my whole thing isgonna be thrown off.
That one degree shift willchange everything.
Everything.
And yes, in a, in a very bad wayfor that example, but that one
degree shift in your life,maybe, you know what, I'm gonna
quit porn.
(37:57):
You know what?
I ask people this, I don't evengive fuck what you do.
But everyone knows that onething they're doing right now
that is just so loud in theirhead and their heart that it's
just, it's gotta stop.
It gotta change.
It could be simply, it could bethe smallest thing.
Like, ah, I really gotta fuckingpaint the steps outside.
Oh my God.
You know, it doesn't have to bethis like life, life-changing
(38:18):
thing.
Mm-hmm.
it could be the simplest shit,but if you don't address that
one thing, how can you expectchange to happen?
That one degree change, and I'mgonna go paint the steps.
You have no, you, you might gooutside painting the steps and
the love of your life walks by.
You might go outside and paintthe steps and someone that
you're there to save is outside.
(38:40):
You might go out there and paintthe steps and come back in and
your wife is smiling at you andthat relationship that you
thought was ruined is, it wasjust in your fucking head.
You have no idea.
But people want to sit still andtheir whole universe change.
And that's not how it happens.
We use the stillness, thecalmness to to create the space
(39:01):
to go execute, not to receive.
We create the space to goexecute not to receive.
And I think people get it sowrong and that's why they limit
themselves to their true fullpotential because they just
won't go do that one thing.
Because I think it's stupid.
They think it's so small andirrelevant when it's absolutely
(39:21):
the most profound, powerfulthing they possibly could ever
do in their life.
Yep.
A hundred percent
Bradley Roth (39:27):
Go do.
I mean, everyone, if you'relistening right now, I'm sure
that one thing is top of mind.
Maybe it's a couple things.
Write it down, go do it.
Stop putting it off.
I mean, that's even for me andCody, we still have those one
things, cuz that one thingalways shifts, right?
You take care of that first onething, now it's something else
that you're like, all right,this is the next thing that
(39:48):
needs to be done.
Absolutely.
So it's a, it's an ongoing thingand you're just uncovering
layers and stacking wins andstacking progress and.
You know, people always say infinance, compound interest is
like the most powerful thing inthe world, most powerful force.
And that's not just in math orin, you know, money, it's with
(40:09):
you like with your growth andthat kind of thing too.
So, man, that was, again, I feellike if we just got a
masterclass in define the normand in doing the work and
changing your life, make sureyou guys go back and like
re-listen to a part of that.
I know I will.
And man, we've been going awhile, but, and I know I, I had
a feeling this would happen cuzagain, there's just so much
(40:30):
alignment in crossover betweenDefy the norm and not most
people.
But I gotta ask you the onequestion before we wrap up that
you kind of already answered insome ways, but I always ask,
what is your definition of notmost people or what does that
Cody Alford (40:44):
mean to you?
Hmm.
What is my definition of notmost people?
Mm-hmm.
My definition of not most peoplewould be pave your path or be
paved.
Mm-hmm.
You know, we have, we have theopportunity to, to be our own
individual selves, to, to useour superpower to help so many
(41:07):
people, not just ourselves, notthe selfish servitude, but to
step outside of her comfort zoneand actually go into a place of
servitude where we're, we'rehelping people just by sharing
our voice.
And people that is not, mostpeople, most people don't share
their voice.
They think their life is sostupid and boring, and they
wonder why they're just gettingpaid by emotions, by regret, by
(41:27):
remorse.
Just getting fucking paved over.
Yep.
And that's not the life you wantto fucking pave the way That's,
that is the way pave the way.
Bradley Roth (41:38):
Love it.
Great answer.
And you know, one, one otherthing we c we've touched on a
little bit, but I know you gotyour defied tribe, but people
are, you know, they listen andthey're like, all right, I want
some more.
Where can they find you?
What else you got going on?
Cody Alford (41:52):
Yeah.
Most people, I do most of mycommunication on Instagram,
which is the Cody Alfred defitribe.com is my online coaching
group to help you unleash yoursuperpower.
And wey the norm as my, mymindset apparel brand.
Those are really the mainplatforms that I utilize.
And this is just the beginning.
Just the beginning
Bradley Roth (42:12):
for sure, man.
I love it.
I, I know based off of this, Imean, I already had an idea, but
I think you're you're making ahuge impact on people and I'm
excited for you to get yourpodcast back up and running too,
cause I know there's gonna be a,a lot of value bombs in that as
well.
So thanks man.
Yeah, man.
Thanks.
Thanks so much for coming ontoday.
I really appreciate it.
And I know.
You know, you know myself andeveryone listening got a lot of
(42:34):
value.
Cody Alford (42:35):
Awesome.
Well, thanks for having me, bro.
Yeah, of course.
Bradley Roth (42:38):
Well, that's it for today guys.
Thank you for tuning in.
As I said in the beginning ofthe episode, like I know that
just like we said, there's thatone thing that you can think of
that needs to get done.
I know you could think of thatone, maybe two people who need
to hear this episode, right?
They don't have to beex-military or anything
directly, but if they need alittle bit of a wake up, if they
(43:00):
need that push to change theirlife, to take back their power
to heal, whatever it might be,know that this is an episode
that can really help do that.
And so I just ask that you thinkof that person and please share
it with them.
But that's it guys.
Thank you for tuning in.
We'll see you in the next one.
And always remember, don't bemost people.
Hey, everyone.
Welcome back to another episodeof the, not most people
podcasts.
This is your host Bradley, andthis is the show for those
allergic to mediocrity, croup.
Think and following the statusquo.
And quickly before we get rightinto part two of this special
two part episode with CodyAlford, I would just like to
remind you guys listening.
Of my one, ask or quote unquotekind of unofficial fee for the
(00:54):
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And that is if you get value outof the show, if you learn
something, whether it's yourfirst time listening or you are
a regular repeat.
Listener.
Just say you helped me continueto grow the show by sharing it
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(01:15):
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That all really goes a long way.
And really, really, I appreciateit.
We're growing the show one byone organically.
And, can't do that without youguys.
I will continue to keep the showad free.
I do put a lot of time, energyand money into this show.
So just really would appreciateit.
If you guys are enjoying theshow.
That you would help me out bydoing that.
And, uh, you know, if you don'tenjoy the show, don't share it,
(01:37):
but that's, uh, that's my oneask.
and then other than that, We arejust going to get right into
today's episode.
If you listen to part one, youalready know who Cody is, you
know, a bit of his backstory andyou're gonna be set up really
well for part two.
Which in my opinion, really tiesthings together and is, I don't
want to say better than partone, but a more impactful in a
(01:59):
sense in that.
This will leave you ready to goand make the changes that you
need to in your life to becomewho you need to be.
while.
Providing a, a heavy dose ofmotivation, inspiration.
So, you're going to really enjoypart two.
I know I did.
If you haven't.
listen to part one, you canlisten to part two without it,
(02:20):
but it's going to make a lotmore sense if you go back and
check out part one first.
But,, either way you're going toenjoy.
One of the best, just most spoton monologues that's ever been
featured in this podcast.
So without further ado, Here ispart two with Cody Alford.
(02:42):
You went from like super highspeed to like you said, the
opposite of that essentially.
And did you slowly wean yourselfoff kind of the medications or
whatever it was that you needed?
Or did you go cold Turkey?
Like what was that like?
Cody Alford (02:59):
Yeah, I went cold Turkey.
My wife I got this gold tooth,not because I'm awesome.
I mean, I'm pretty awesome but Igot this gold tooth cause I, I.
Cracked my teeth, grinding themall the time.
My butt was clenched 24 7.
I didn't even know these things.
And my wife started to researchall these pills that I was on.
She's like, you're literallykilling yourself.
And I almost taking Tylenol,Motrin, drinking tap water.
(03:23):
I was doing all these veryaverage, normal things cause I
didn't know any different.
Right.
And he starts seeing what theseingredients are like, oh, that
produces cancer.
This produces high bloodpressure.
This can cause X, y, and Z.
She's like, why are you takingthis shit?
I'm like, I'm fucking done.
So I just cold Turkey all and I,I told my command or my doctor,
I'm like, I'm not taking thisshit anymore.
To the point where the guy, thecivilian doctor that was
prescribing me all these uppers,when I told him that I wasn't
(03:45):
taking them anymore, he waspissed cuz I told him like, Hey
man, that's just not working forme.
And this is like after monthsdoing it.
He wanted to give me more, hewanted to put me on Ritalin.
Now, in addition to all theseother things, I'm like, no.
and he didn't understand.
He was pissed off.
And then I found out like, yo,every prescription he makes, he
gets a cut.
Yeah.
So of course he's pissed becauseI'm an easy target.
(04:06):
I'm a fucking helpless veteran,or I'm active duty guy that is
clearly desperate.
If they would've said, lick thisturd and you'll be cured, I
would've licked a whole pile ofshit.
I was that desperate because Iwas mm-hmm.
dying, dude.
I was literally fucking dying.
And so, yeah, just quitting coldTurkey and that really set me up
in the trajectory to start doingall these other healthier things
(04:27):
in my life to, to take my powerback cuz I, I, I was powerless.
I gave it all away depending onmedication, depending on, you
know, other people to come helpme out when I needed to just
take a hard look at what I wasdoing with my life, where it was
going and what I wanted it tobecome.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (04:43):
That's crazy.
And so combining, getting off ofthat stuff with spending all
this time outdoors withyourself, with your own mind, I
think that's something that alot of people avoid.
Cody Alford (04:56):
I mean, people wanna have a conversation with
themselves.
You know, people can't even sitfucking silent, bro.
You know, people can't evenbarely have a conversation with
a significant other anymore.
Or like a friend, they're ontheir fucking phone.
Mm-hmm.
what makes you think they can gosit in silence?
I asked, you know, I'm a hugeproponent of journaling.
Journaling changed my life gaveme an opportunity to, to talk to
myself, to allow myself tospeak, allow myself to tap into
(05:19):
consciousness.
Right.
And people won't do that.
Mm-hmm.
not everybody, but a lot ofpeople don't want to cuz people
don't want to heal themselves.
Yes.
They were their bandaid on andcontinue on.
Well, when you do that, you justend up with a life full of
fucking half-assed involvementand then you die with regret.
Cause there's always that onething you wanna do.
And it doesn't have to bemassive.
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It could just be that one.
It could be something that's so.
that you have full power of.
People will just deny themselvesthat because it looks like work
and it's uncomfortable.
And being in this fan in themiddle of nowhere with no cell
phone service, just my fuckingthoughts, doing plant medicine,
doing journaling, doing breathwork, meditating, you know,
doing all these things, werecomp.
(06:00):
I made fun of all that shit.
I was never about that stuff.
You know, I remember back inlike 2008, So 10 years-ish
before all this, I remembermarsoc, I'm at the schoolhouse
now.
We just started the schoolhousepipeline and to train future
special operators and I was oneof the first set of instructors
there.
And I remember we brought inthis like samurai warrior
(06:22):
meditation lady.
She came in to talk about likethe old samurai practice and in
ways they, they found theircheat, their balance and like
found their peace and all thistype of stuff.
And we're doing this meditationexercise and I'm fucking
laughing dude.
She's like, she wants me totouch my belly button, touch my
temple and breathe.
And I'm just like laughing dude.
Like I do not have the cognitivecapacity to comprehend what
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she's trying to say.
I didn't give a shit about that.
I was like, yo, we gonna goparty later or what?
We gonna go shoot some guns orwhat?
Mm-hmm.
And I was so immature cause Iwas scared cuz it was something
new and it was veryuncomfortable for me.
Years later, decade later, to beexact.
I'm open to all of it.
because I realized mynarrow-minded mindset, even
though I was a higher performer,high chief in the military,
(07:08):
well, no wonder I suffered whenI got out.
Cause I was so narrow-minded.
I was staying within a niche andnot an environment.
You know, an environment hasgrown with an evolution and I
was just so focused on this onesimple task at hand.
And you know, opening myself up,all these different things, it
gave me so much insight.
It showed me like, dude, you area real dickhead.
(07:30):
You got a lot of issues you needto work out.
And it gave me tangible thingsto actually pursue in life.
And that's what I did the wholetime in the van.
I, I kept on pursuing that nextstep.
I felt like I, you know, mybody's jacked up.
I need to go invest in my body.
You know, my, my, my form.
I had falling arches.
I had all sorts of back issuesand fucking shoulder issues.
And my, my mind, dude, Iwouldn't even self-reflect, you
(07:52):
know, I had to do all thesethings and journaling helped me
with.
My soul, my spirit.
I never gave myself time to justask me like, bro, what's going
on?
Never gave my space to, to cryand to vent to off gas and to
let out to process all thesethings that happened to me,
right.
That I've been part of, nothappened to me, like against me,
but I, that I was a part of thathappened for me.
(08:12):
Mm-hmm.
I never processed all thosethings wondering, why, why am I
sucking my head?
Why am I depress it?
I never even took a time to lookat that shit and analyze it
until I did.
And when I did, everythingchanged for me.
Everything just began to lookdifferently.
And, you know, we kind of askedbefore we started the call, like
that's, that's what defying thenorm is.
(08:33):
Mm-hmm.
It doesn't have to be my levelof defy the norm.
You know, it doesn't have to bethis fucking black and white
textbook.
If you don't follow this to a T,you're not defying the norm, you
know, inside what you're notdefying and that you.
and that's your per, that's yourjourney.
That's your fucking calling.
Go do that.
Do the thing that scares you themost.
Do the thing that is absolutelytraumatizing you to fucking
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pursue.
Because, you know, if you wereto do that, you would become
something completely different.
And people in my experience,don't want to become the
completely different, they'drather die at an old ass age
with fucking regret, anger,hatred, sadness, remorse.
They'd rather die than, than cryto face themselves to do the
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work, to actually see what istriggering them, what's
suppressing them.
And it blows my mind.
And I will not live that way.
I'm not this perfect waterwalker, but I know what I must
do in life to grow and evolve,and that shit's absolutely
terrifying and it scares me andall these types of things.
And, but that's what I pursue.
Mm-hmm.
because if.
I'm not defying anything.
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And it's not like I only live toDefy.
No, I live to live.
I want to experience, I don'twanna just exist anymore.
I don't wanna be part of aninstitution.
I wanna create my environment.
I wanna be, you know, befunctional in the world that I
want to live in.
You know, if I create hell andhere my world out here is gonna
be hell, why do I want that?
(10:01):
People are worried about thisplace called heaven and hell
when you die.
I'm like, bitch, you're livingin it right now.
By your state of mind.
You're worried about some shityou can't even put a finger on,
but you'll put faith in that.
But you put no faith in yourselfto to, to rectify, to resurrect
your own life, to change yourlife, to fucking face yourself
and do what must be done.
And just to accept, to not dothat, it blows my mind.
(10:26):
And that's okay.
Cuz that's their choice.
It's not my choice, it's notwhat I stand for.
It's not what I believe in.
Bradley Roth (10:32):
Yeah, I mean, you said it very beautifully, like.
your inners gonna dictate yourouter things.
Energy emanates outward.
It doesn't just like come fromouter to inner, right?
Like everyone looks outward totry and change the, the inner
part and what you said, I thinkabout closed-mindedness and how
it blows your mind that peoplelike, and I always say the same
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thing I tell my wife, like mybiggest pet peeve is like seeing
wasted potential in people.
Or to take it one step further.
People who don't have no desireto live the potential life that
they could.
Like, I just can't understandit.
And you mentionedclose-mindedness, like most
people are very close-minded.
Like the average person, ifyou're like, Hey, you gotta
journal, you gotta read, yougotta meditate, you know, bring
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up something.
Even like, you know, plantmedicine people are like, oh no,
like that's not me.
I'm not, I don't need that.
And a lot of that comes fromego, right?
And like having this ego and.
Kind of a pride thing, right?
Just like you, like you werelaughing at the meditation in
the military, and I think a lotof people are like that, but
it's just a fear mechanism,right?
And it's just this ego andunwillingness to like strip away
(11:40):
from that.
And I know you've done a lot ofwork with plant medicine, and a
big part of what I believethat's supposed to do is kind of
strip that ego or that sense ofself, like break it down and
almost create a room to rebuildit.
Is that how you would liken it?
Or what would you say to people?
(12:00):
Because I know psychedelics arekind of a hot topic right now.
They're becoming moremainstream, but a lot of people
I think, still have this like,oh, that's, that's like hippie
stuff.
Cody Alford (12:13):
I mean, yeah, people, but you said it best.
Dude, we, we talk shit aboutwhat we don't know.
Mm-hmm.
you know, and.
You know, I'd say the best thingabout plant medicine, one, it's
not, people get thismisconstrued where they're like,
they think it's gonna like solvewhat problem.
It's not right.
You're gonna solve problems andplant medicine will show you
what you could be, which you canbe if you just let go.
(12:33):
If you do the work that must bedone.
And what plant medicine does, atleast in my experience, it frees
you from your delusion of self.
And it shows you that they're,you're part of something bigger.
That each person, I, I trulybelieve this.
Each person inside is trulycalled for more.
Whether they want to admit it oracknowledge it or not, that's on
them.
Mm-hmm.
every person.
And it can simply be like, dude,I'm gonna be the best shoe
(12:54):
shiner in the world.
Like, I really love this.
I'm passion about it.
That's called for more.
But people stop and theysuppress that because they
compare it against my calling.
They compared against yourcalling.
And thing is, you know, plantmedicine strips this illusion a
way that you cannot become.
And it reminds you that youalways were.
And the true journey beginsthen.
(13:14):
Begins once you realize, holyfuck, I do have the power.
The power is in me.
I am the medicine.
It's just unlocked it so I cansee it.
It gives me the eyes to see andthe ears to hear so I can move
forward.
But not everybody wants thatbecause it, it is
responsibility.
Once you know, bro, once youknow that you're in control of
your life, once you know thatyou know the difference between
right and wrong, no matter whatyou want to say, once you
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fucking know that, holy shit,that intuition, that gut
feeling, that soul creation,that that consciousness, my, my
connection to God, creator,whatever you believe in, once
you know that you have actuallyaccess to that, and you're like,
should I do this?
And you're like, the an, theimmediate answer is no, but
you're like, I'm gonna do itanyway.
You now know that you're fuckingyourself.
You now know that you areabsolutely responsible for the
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fate and the path that you walk.
Therefore, the results that youreceive are the results that you
put into it.
If you put in nothing, you getnothing.
And once you start tapping intothe universe, tapping into this,
this quantum field of infinitepossibilities, you can start
seeing life completelydifferent.
you know, and part of that islike, it doesn't just make you
this like spiritual person.
(14:17):
It makes you whatever you needto become, to rise to your
fullest potential.
Mm-hmm.
it gives you access to thingsyou never, maybe not even seen
before.
Like, why are you triggered?
Dude, I just get triggered allthe time.
Even after doing plant medicine,I would see people that were
successful on social media, I'mlike, fuck them.
They haven't done what I'vedone.
Why are they getting thatopportunity?
They suck.
What the fuck?
(14:38):
And I'm like, it took me yearseven past that to realize, boom,
triggers are an opportunity forme to learn and investigate.
If it triggers me, I, there'ssomething for me to learn.
Yeah.
But the common man getstriggered and shuts down because
they want nothing to do with it.
and that's the true tragedy inlife because that's hell and you
don't have to remain in hell.
(14:58):
That's why I think peoplepersonally, personally, this is
gonna trigger people.
I don't really care.
That's why I think people reallyrely on this religion aspect,
these, these, these religiousfollowings, cuz it gives them
something to put their powerinto and to believe in bigger
than themselves.
When that does not exist outsideof you, it is part of you.
It's speaking to you every day.
But if you don't give yourselfspace to actually tap into you
(15:21):
to connect to whatever Godbeliefs you have, how else are
you supposed to be involved?
No wonder you would rather justgive it all away and just, and
reach out for guidance and helpall the time.
Vice taking a step back andasking yourself, fuck, is this
really what I want to do?
Do I have the power to actuallychange?
Fuck yeah, you do.
Mm-hmm.
(15:41):
But it looks like work and it'sso much easier to ask you to
help me out than it is for me tohelp myself out.
And that's the true trap ofmankind I fill in society these
days.
People fucking forgot howpowerful they are.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, so I mean, we, we livein a world where you can't even
buy a structure is weak.
Right.
You can't even buy a housebrand, a million dollar house
(16:01):
without a fucking nail pophappening within the first year.
You know, we lived in a timewhere man, woman created
monumental structures that havelasted for centuries.
Now we can't even replicatethat.
We don't even have that.
Yeah.
The mindset, the, the aptitude,the belief system to create such
a thing.
We had people that believed inso much war that everyone like
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so much, this is my truth, andthat everyone rose.
Now we live in a place where allwe do is talk shit and pull out
our phones and record theviolence and tragedies that take
place and expect someone else togo solve our problems.
Mm-hmm.
where the average man putshimself in a kingdom status and
says, you know what?
Fuck you, go do a peasant.
When they're the peasantspointing the fingers.
We live in a, a crazy loony binreality.
(16:44):
And so I try to tell people, ifyou don't not happy with where
your life is going, if you'repoor, it's cuz your mindset
sucks.
If you're fat and you're nothappy with it, it's cuz your
mindset sucks.
If, if your relationship sucks,it's cuz your mindset sucks.
You are the root of everything.
And it's funny because plantmedicine, all derivatives
generally come from a root, aroot source, a root of source.
(17:08):
It comes from root, from thesource, from mother Earth.
This energy source, this hub,right?
And this is root that you take,that opens you up, that says you
are the source of yoursalvation.
You are the source of all yourfucking freedom that you're
seeking.
You're the source of all thegrowth and the prosperity and
the abundance and the healingand the hell and the darkness
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and the devastation that youwant in this life.
But people, that's ownership.
And when you take that level ofownership, you're like, fuck, I
gotta do something different inmy life.
And people, not everybody, butmost people don't want to do
that.
It's easier to work for amachine.
A machine is a nine to five.
A machine is something that isnot elevating you.
It's not really praising you.
(17:50):
It's not bringing fuckingfulfillment to your family.
It's keeping you trapped,keeping you from your dreams,
that calling that you have formore.
And that's normal shit.
That's normality.
Dude.
I cannot live that life.
And I'm not talking a shit aboutthe people that are like, cuz
you get the rebuttal of like,Cody, I need my job, I need my
nine to five.
No shit.
But I know people that work atnine to five that have two other
(18:10):
side houses that are doing, cuzthey believe in themselves.
Mm-hmm So why don't you?
Well, you don't understand.
I have kids.
I'm like, fuck you bro.
Your excuses.
How are you ever gonna tell yourkid to go all in on life when
you're not doing it yourself?
There is no victory withoutsacrifice.
There is no growth withoutevolving.
But it all requires work.
(18:31):
It all requires us to get rawand reeled ourselves to be like,
fuck dude.
I'm kind of a piece of shit.
This is not the life that I wantfor me and just focus on the one
thing at a time to move yourlife forward.
Fuck.
People look at me and they'relike, how do you do it?
I'm like, bitch, you work.
That's how you do it.
This is four and a half years inthe making, man.
Yep.
Four and a half years.
(18:52):
It's, it's not an easy route,but I don't want an easy route.
I don't want the same path thatyou can walk or anyone else can
walk.
Cause that's not my route.
We might be walking next to eachother and that's fine.
We might be going towards thesame general location, that's
fine.
But I don't want someone to havethe responsibility of my, of, of
bearing my weight.
(19:13):
That's my responsibility.
Mm-hmm.
that's where fulfillment comesin.
We live in a world full of lackof fulfillment, lack of purpose,
and you have to ask yourself,bro, what the fuck did you
expect?
You're literally moving furtherand further away from your.
No wonder you're gonna feeldisconnected.
No wonder you're not gonna havethis relationship with God or
whatever you believe in.
No wonder you're gonna belacking these other areas of
(19:33):
abundance and prosperity in yourlife because you're only
worrying and stressing about theshit that you don't have in your
life.
So therefore, you're creatingthat.
But the average man does notcomprehend that because it's
taboo and it's mm-hmm.
Cody, there's some weirdos,spiritual shit.
But is it, it's a universal lawfor a reason.
But man is so jaded with fuckingtainted eyes.
(19:55):
They only look at laws writtenby man and not by God, not by
universe, not by creation.
And they limit themselves.
They limit their full potentialbecause they allow someone else
to control them when it's themwho must control themselves to
rise to their fullest potential.
And that is like a big, like,mind blowing concept to a lot of
people.
(20:16):
And that is sad, dude.
That's why I love what I do,because I'm really good at
tripping people and I know.
That's what's required tofucking grow.
I know not everyone's into plantmedicine, and honestly, plant
medicine is not for everybody.
Most people can't even let go oftheir fucking ego to have a
conversation to raise their handfor help.
(20:39):
They sure as hell not gonna beable to let go when they're
faced with themselves to let gowhen they're offered the
opportunity to just melt away,to explode if you need to, to
melt, if you need to, torelease, if you need to, people
won't even they.
That is scary.
That's so scary.
I have years and years and yearsof practice of doing all this
(20:59):
type of stuff and my last tripto Mexico, I just did iboga five
m e o d m t i, I went down therewith intention to just release
all this trauma that I, I, Ican't, I can't even pinpoint
what it is.
And as I'm doing this lastexperience, I'm.
with even all these years ofexperience and knowing what I
must do, I'm just wanting torelax and just let go.
(21:21):
I'm just, why can't I, and thenI just finally do it.
And it's not, but it's not easy.
It's not a button that Ipressed, cleared help me.
Mm-hmm.
It's work.
And it's hard.
It's scary and it's unknown.
It's uncomfortable.
But fuck the feeling that I hadof this decades of unprocessed
trauma that I've disassociatedfrom to just survive.
(21:44):
Mm-hmm.
leaves my body.
Dude, I've never felt morefreer.
And I was operating at a highlevel with all that stress, with
all that weight.
So people tell me that theycan't, but I'm like, you haven't
tried.
Mm-hmm.
you know, I told you the storyof how I was super successful in
the military with such a linearego mindset and, and that
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dominated.
And I was a good dude.
Like I took care of people Thatwas.
My accolades on all my othergreat shit.
None of that means anything tome.
How I treated people is like mytrue accomplishment in the
military cuz what they did withtheir lives and what they were
doing with the people aroundthem.
That was my biggestaccomplishment.
But I was an ego lunatic backthen.
Linear as fuck and accomplishedall that.
(22:27):
Being in the darkest I possiblycould be in my van, hating
myself, feeling like absolutedog shit.
The lives I was impactingthrough this rectangular black
device, transforming thousandsof lives, giving them hope and
passion back into their voiceand their fucking existence to
go create and live a life theywant to.
That that was at my lowest oflife and that empowered me and I
(22:51):
was still fucking miserable andI was able to do all that.
So it's, the work is never done.
We must always evolve.
We must adapt and we mustovercome cuz each new level of
life requires a new level ofyou.
It's the same shit you gottadeal with.
It's just on a higher scale andit never ends.
And that's the gift.
Because when you stop evolving,you grow complacent.
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When you go complacent, youlower your standards.
When you lower your standards,you lower your force field, your
energy force, and you startsubjecting yourself to low
vibrational shit horn, Netflixand chilling, binge eating, junk
food, alcohol, partying, gettingdistracted, deceptions, all
these other things we bring intoour life, which keeps us fucking
(23:35):
down.
But the same level it takes tofucking let your guard down is
the same level it takes to moveyour fucking soul up, your, your
elevation up, your energy up.
But for whatever reason, the manhas been diluted that says, work
is hard.
Stay away from it.
Seek comfort.
Seek comfort.
You want the white picket fence?
You want the 401k, you want thenine to five?
(23:57):
I know you wanna start that shoeshine company, ma'am, but don't,
it's, it's not secure.
It's not even guaranteed.
Don't you care about yourfamily?
Don't you wanna provide forthem?
I mean, just look at yourbrother.
They went to college.
Look at your sister.
They're doing the thing.
Why can't you?
That's what society wants ofyou, because from your parents
to your fucking neighbors,they're all programmed to live
(24:19):
this cookie cutter life.
And unless you want that life,you better fucking do something
about it.
And so how do you do somethingabout it?
Simple.
Seek discomfort.
Do something completelydifferent.
Defy the norm.
Go against the grain.
Not to reject.
Not to revolt.
(24:40):
Not to cause a scene, but tomake change.
When I wanted to go back to thegun and put on armor and fill
that, fuck dude.
Nothing is more powerful, bro,than putting on fucking gear
armor, getting your gun ready.
Put on your fucking helmet op.
Checking your night visiongoggles, doing your radio check,
getting on a helicopter andfucking pitch Black Knight.
(25:03):
And all you hear and feel is arumble of the helicopter.
Nothing is more powerful thanthat shit getting kicked off a
helicopter.
Dustin's shit is everywhere.
It's pitch black and it's justcalm as shit.
But you're, you're literallyarmed to the teeth.
You have enough ammunition,weapons, and explosives on your
one person to raise war in asmall country by yourself.
(25:25):
Nothing is more powerful thanthat.
It's fucking epic.
Now you multiply that with othermen that want to do the same
shit, that are aligned with thesame shit.
They're disciplined, they'refocused.
They know what the mission is.
They know what everyone has todo.
That's intense, bro.
I wanted that so bad in my life,but I knew if I went to go do
that shit, I was gonna fuckingdie doing that job because that
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wasn't the calling for me.
And I wanted to do it.
I wanted to go against mycalling.
I wanted to just defy that shit,defy this urge to go this way.
And I wanted to go back to whatwas comfortable, what the norm
was for me, what was expected ofme.
And I know a lot of people canrelate to that in their own
lives, their own way.
You don't have to have my pastlife to understand this
(26:08):
relation.
It's like a fucked uprelationship.
Oh, you wanna be happy, but youstill go back to the same turd
nugget and it's so hard to letthat version of you go and have
self-respect for yourself and tochange.
That's why people always resortback to the norm because they
stop believing in themselves.
They don't believe that theycan.
(26:29):
And if you could just, justfight like your life depends on
it, if you could just say, fuckit, I don't know where this is
gonna take me.
I don't, I don't know wherethis, this path, this is even
illuminated.
But if I could just walk intothe darkness and keep on fucking
going, I have better chances.
I have the 50% chance ofchanging my life.
(26:52):
Where if I don't do anything, Ihave 0% chance of changing my
life.
0% because I already know wherethis course takes me.
I already know where I'm gonnaend up at.
But that unknown path isabsolutely terrifying for people
because it's not guaranteed.
It's not the 401k, it's not thefucking black and white document
(27:15):
that says, sign here andeverything be fine.
People want these guarantees inlife.
The only guarantee you have isyou're gonna die.
But people don't even take incomp comprehend that they think
they're gonna live forever.
Bro, I blinked and I'm 37 yearsold.
What?
I blinked and I'm 37.
Yep.
Well, looking back on mymilitary career, dude, I was
(27:37):
busy a lot.
It was a lot of hard times.
Not everything was great.
I had a lot of great times.
I, I'm grateful for my, I lovemy military career.
I learned so much, but I blinkedin 15 years, went by, blinked.
But yet people have thisillusion that they think they
have this thing called time.
And you don't, time is not yourfriend.
(27:57):
It's also not your.
it's your truth, but that'sownership and what we do with
our time in this life.
That is what defines everythingabout us.
But the common man does notbelieve in themselves.
That fucking stay-at-home mom.
That 70 year old fucking womanat home, that dude shining shoes
(28:21):
that wants to fucking open upthat car dealer, they don't
believe themselves.
They don't.
They think it's too late.
It's never too late.
Never, ever, ever, ever.
There is no late because thereis no comparison.
And once you realize there's nocomparison, then you'll never
limit yourself.
I heard this thing, it, it wasthank you Instagram.
(28:41):
It talked about how MorganFreeman, I think it was Morgan
Freeman, started his movieCareer, acting Career at 41.
Didn't get seen at 41.
He started at 41, started thebottom of the.
41 years old.
You never would've known that.
I think it was Morgan Freeman.
It could have been someone else,right?
But it might've been Tim,
Bradley Roth (29:02):
Ola, Jackson,
Cody Alford (29:03):
Samuel Jackson.
That's it.
Yep.
Just a badass actor, right?
So like, but who would'vethought that, oh, it's too late
in the game.
How, when are we gonna startseeing these, these clues, these
blueprints that exist in frontof us?
It doesn't matter when youstart, it matters that you
start.
But so many people are justlacking that courage to just
(29:24):
jump because they can't seewhere they're gonna land.
And that's the gift.
If you could see where your lifewas gonna take you, what the
fuck's the point of living it,right?
What would be the gift?
Where would be the blessing?
Where would be the challenge?
What would be the battle ofdarkness versus evil, or
darkness versus light, goodversus evil?
Where would be, where would bethat opportunity to, to truly
(29:46):
free yourself and stop lookingat yourself as just a bag of
skin and bones.
To look at yourself as thislimitless, abundant opportunity
to rise to your fullestpotential.
No matter what it is.
Be the best fucking lemonadestand owner in the world.
Be the best boss for your nineto five job.
There's nothing wrong with thesethings.
(30:06):
What's wrong is people'smindsets going into these
things.
They want more yet to denythemselves the opportunities for
more.
That's the true tragedy of man.
It's, it's horrible to watch.
And so I use that as fuel tokeep on moving forward in my
life, to keep on working throughmy darkness, keep on working
through my hurdles so I can keepon rising.
Cuz I know there's people outthere that want to, and I'm not
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gonna let myself down.
And I'm sure as hell not gonnalet them down.
Cause they need to know it'spossible.
We're strength in numbers, duh.
But end of the day, you have toknow that.
Listen, if you're on the islandby yourself in the darkness, you
gotta fucking start that fire,bro.
You're gonna have to find a way.
So this is how, and we do thatby arming ourselves.
We do that by.
(30:48):
You know, bulletproofing, ourmindsets becoming resilient,
educating ourselves, finding newways to tap into source, finding
new ways to communicate andarticulate, getting out of our
comfort zones, not just sofocused on fucking money or
relationship, but an abundantlife.
I serve it two to life.
All these other aspects that weknow we want in return.
(31:08):
Therefore, we have to give and,and hard work, hard work's.
The key we were talking about,Annie Fra before we started
recording, right?
He talks about 10 years.
He was zero profit.
Now that dude's a fuckingtycoon.
He is the mf, c e o.
10 years.
He had zero return on hisinvestment, least into his
pocket and his partner's pocket10 years.
(31:32):
So when I get on myself, I'mlike, oh man, my coaching group
hasn't blown up as much as I'mlike, bitch, you've been doing
it a year and a half and I'mcrushing it, but that's a year
and a half.
What will 10 years look like forme?
Mm-hmm.
So how can I forget theseprinciples?
And I, and I, I remind myself,I'm like, boom, thanks Annie
for, for putting that truth outthere.
Boom.
I haven't forgot.
I'm back on track, dude.
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I'm in this for the long haul,dude.
I don't want it all.
Now it's all coming to me.
And it doesn't have to allhappen now cuz the journey is
what fucking makes me not theend result.
You know?
And people forget that's part ofthe process.
The journey is the way that isthe path.
That is what defines you, notwhere you're going.
Not the end state, not theaccolades.
(32:14):
It's what you fucking inquiredand learned along the way.
Not inquired as an externalsense, but that internal sense.
All the missing parts of yourlife that have made you feel
inadequate and complete lonely,sad, fearful, all these low
vibrational shits that you bringback into your life and you
empower yourself to keep onpushing forward, because that's
your duty in life.
It's to fucking push forward.
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Remember your worth, and you canonly remember your worth.
Remember your power when you tapin.
Because you have all the shityou need inside you.
So you must do the work tocleanse this bitch.
So you can tap in so you canfind your higher power, you can
believe in what the fuck youwanna believe in.
And you can find those answers,find those nuggets, and find
that level of love andcompassion to illuminate the
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path with each step.
But that's called work.
And that's the differentiatorbetween people who want and
people who are.
It's only it.
This is the only thing.
Work is the way you have towork.
Damn
Bradley Roth (33:14):
Dude, that was so good.
That was, that was amasterclass.
I could just pull that and like,make it its own thing and
people, it would, you know,change people.
So I mean, you touched onliterally everything that Namos
people is about.
So that was, that was great.
And what it kind of, I'm like,how can we, how can we summarize
(33:35):
or kind of simplify part of thatand make it like, right?
People, like, if you're gonna doone thing, here's where to
start.
It's, I think it comes down likemodern society, right?
We see like all these rises inmental health issues and all
this stuff, and society'ssupposed to be getting better
and better, right?
And advancing in all this stuff.
(33:56):
But what this whole system hasdone as it's just made it easier
and easier and easier to kind oflike, rely on the system, just
kind of sit on it, let itsupport you.
Like back in the day for most ofhuman history, if you didn't
work, if you, if you weren't inshape, if you didn't, couldn't
(34:16):
defend, if you weren't skilled,like you were dead pretty quick.
You know, now you could, youcould sit around and just eat,
you know, Doritos all day and,you know, waste time playing
video, like whatever it mightbe.
And like, you're probably gonnabe okay or you're gonna survive,
right?
And so it's like this.
(34:37):
It's almost like a, it's almostlike we're going backwards, in a
lot of ways, right?
And it, it makes it so easy forpeople to just give up their
power to hand it over to likethe system because they don't
have to exercise it.
Or at least it may not appearthat way.
But then guess what?
You're gonna be miserable,you're gonna be unfulfilled.
You're gonna look back and belike, oh shit.
(34:58):
Like things aren't going the waythat they should be going.
And so it's like we say defy thenorm.
We say not most people, we saykind of like reject the system.
And it's not cuz everything inthe system's bad, but like when
it takes it away from you andyou give up your own power, your
own responsibility, nobody likeyour own individuality, nobody
(35:19):
ends up happy from that in thelong run.
And so it's just a matter oflike putting it back on you.
And that's empowering and likewe talked about, everyone gives.
the ability to be leaders andlike, you don't have to go lead
a whole group of people, butlike you gotta lead yourself in
the right direction at the endof the day.
And so I think it's just, likeyou said, putting it back on
(35:42):
you, realizing you're powerfulmore than you think you are.
Autonomous, even though a lot ofus don't act like it a lot of
times.
And and really it's almost likewe need to go back to how things
were for so long.
Right?
When you went back to Van Life,you connected with nature, you
found kind of all like thewisdom and the beauty and that,
and it gave you the space thatso many people lack.
(36:02):
Like, you know, for most ofhuman history, people had
issues.
They had no choice but to sitwith themselves in their head
and work through it, you knowwhat I mean?
Like, if you were waiting inline, you couldn't pull out your
phone and like scroll throughInstagram and think about
something else at night.
You couldn't watch the tv.
You had to lay there and dealwith it.
And so it's getting back to thatand like create, letting
yourself have that space that somany people did because.
(36:26):
You know, that's, that stufftakes time, as you know, to
Cody Alford (36:30):
get through it, and it's just an investment, right?
Mm-hmm.
people, people invest theirmoney, their, their life savings
for that glimpse.
They'll get that, you know, 3%change, but they won't invest in
themselves for the same time,for that same percent, you know,
of growth.
That 3% change.
Yep.
You know, 1% growth change willchange the trajectory of your
(36:52):
life.
You know, I was a, I was a dicombatant diver in, in the
military also, so did a lot ofnighttime diving, and I remember
at dive school.
you are, you know, you're ununderwater, you're diving, you
have a compass, little Kim lightilluminate it, and you just kick
it in the darkness.
And before you go subsurface,you gain your heading.
And for the school, you're,you're aiming towards a pier.
(37:15):
And at this pier there's theseother mile, these other markers
that say like, 90, 80, 70, 60,and so on.
And ba Essentially what thatmeant is that based off where
you pop up, once you reach yourlimit of advance, if you weren't
on target, you would get scoredby your time and the distance
off your mark.
Hmm.
Well, if my heading is too, youknow, is my heading is, you
(37:36):
know, 45 and underwater, I go to46.
Dude, my, my, my whole thing isgonna be thrown off.
That one degree shift willchange everything.
Everything.
And yes, in a, in a very bad wayfor that example, but that one
degree shift in your life,maybe, you know what, I'm gonna
quit porn.
(37:57):
You know what?
I ask people this, I don't evengive fuck what you do.
But everyone knows that onething they're doing right now
that is just so loud in theirhead and their heart that it's
just, it's gotta stop.
It gotta change.
It could be simply, it could bethe smallest thing.
Like, ah, I really gotta fuckingpaint the steps outside.
Oh my God.
You know, it doesn't have to bethis like life, life-changing
(38:18):
thing.
Mm-hmm.
it could be the simplest shit,but if you don't address that
one thing, how can you expectchange to happen?
That one degree change, and I'mgonna go paint the steps.
You have no, you, you might gooutside painting the steps and
the love of your life walks by.
You might go outside and paintthe steps and someone that
you're there to save is outside.
(38:40):
You might go out there and paintthe steps and come back in and
your wife is smiling at you andthat relationship that you
thought was ruined is, it wasjust in your fucking head.
You have no idea.
But people want to sit still andtheir whole universe change.
And that's not how it happens.
We use the stillness, thecalmness to to create the space
(39:01):
to go execute, not to receive.
We create the space to goexecute not to receive.
And I think people get it sowrong and that's why they limit
themselves to their true fullpotential because they just
won't go do that one thing.
Because I think it's stupid.
They think it's so small andirrelevant when it's absolutely
(39:21):
the most profound, powerfulthing they possibly could ever
do in their life.
Yep.
A hundred percent
Bradley Roth (39:27):
Go do.
I mean, everyone, if you'relistening right now, I'm sure
that one thing is top of mind.
Maybe it's a couple things.
Write it down, go do it.
Stop putting it off.
I mean, that's even for me andCody, we still have those one
things, cuz that one thingalways shifts, right?
You take care of that first onething, now it's something else
that you're like, all right,this is the next thing that
(39:48):
needs to be done.
Absolutely.
So it's a, it's an ongoing thingand you're just uncovering
layers and stacking wins andstacking progress and.
You know, people always say infinance, compound interest is
like the most powerful thing inthe world, most powerful force.
And that's not just in math orin, you know, money, it's with
(40:09):
you like with your growth andthat kind of thing too.
So, man, that was, again, I feellike if we just got a
masterclass in define the normand in doing the work and
changing your life, make sureyou guys go back and like
re-listen to a part of that.
I know I will.
And man, we've been going awhile, but, and I know I, I had
a feeling this would happen cuzagain, there's just so much
(40:30):
alignment in crossover betweenDefy the norm and not most
people.
But I gotta ask you the onequestion before we wrap up that
you kind of already answered insome ways, but I always ask,
what is your definition of notmost people or what does that
Cody Alford (40:44):
mean to you?
Hmm.
What is my definition of notmost people?
Mm-hmm.
My definition of not most peoplewould be pave your path or be
paved.
Mm-hmm.
You know, we have, we have theopportunity to, to be our own
individual selves, to, to useour superpower to help so many
(41:07):
people, not just ourselves, notthe selfish servitude, but to
step outside of her comfort zoneand actually go into a place of
servitude where we're, we'rehelping people just by sharing
our voice.
And people that is not, mostpeople, most people don't share
their voice.
They think their life is sostupid and boring, and they
wonder why they're just gettingpaid by emotions, by regret, by
(41:27):
remorse.
Just getting fucking paved over.
Yep.
And that's not the life you wantto fucking pave the way That's,
that is the way pave the way.
Bradley Roth (41:38):
Love it.
Great answer.
And you know, one, one otherthing we c we've touched on a
little bit, but I know you gotyour defied tribe, but people
are, you know, they listen andthey're like, all right, I want
some more.
Where can they find you?
What else you got going on?
Cody Alford (41:52):
Yeah.
Most people, I do most of mycommunication on Instagram,
which is the Cody Alfred defitribe.com is my online coaching
group to help you unleash yoursuperpower.
And wey the norm as my, mymindset apparel brand.
Those are really the mainplatforms that I utilize.
And this is just the beginning.
Just the beginning
Bradley Roth (42:12):
for sure, man.
I love it.
I, I know based off of this, Imean, I already had an idea, but
I think you're you're making ahuge impact on people and I'm
excited for you to get yourpodcast back up and running too,
cause I know there's gonna be a,a lot of value bombs in that as
well.
So thanks man.
Yeah, man.
Thanks.
Thanks so much for coming ontoday.
I really appreciate it.
And I know.
You know, you know myself andeveryone listening got a lot of
(42:34):
value.
Cody Alford (42:35):
Awesome.
Well, thanks for having me, bro.
Yeah, of course.
Bradley Roth (42:38):
Well, that's it for today guys.
Thank you for tuning in.
As I said in the beginning ofthe episode, like I know that
just like we said, there's thatone thing that you can think of
that needs to get done.
I know you could think of thatone, maybe two people who need
to hear this episode, right?
They don't have to beex-military or anything
directly, but if they need alittle bit of a wake up, if they
(43:00):
need that push to change theirlife, to take back their power
to heal, whatever it might be,know that this is an episode
that can really help do that.
And so I just ask that you thinkof that person and please share
it with them.
But that's it guys.
Thank you for tuning in.
We'll see you in the next one.
And always remember, don't bemost people.
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