February 13, 2025 • 30 mins
Harmony Farrell shares her vibrant experiences from Grenada Carnival, highlighting the cultural richness that defines Caribbean celebrations. The episode discusses the contrasts between Grenadian and Trinidadian Carnival, the significance of community support for artists, and the deep emotional connection Carnival holds for participants.
• Harmony's journey into theater informs her cultural insights
• Long-held desire to experience Grenada Carnival brings a dream to life
• Jab Jab as a central symbol of Grenadian Carnival
• Comparison between Grenada and Trinidad's Carnival experiences
• The communal spirit and support during events like Soka Monarch
• Anticipation and personal preparations leading to Carnival
• Weather-related surprises during Carnival festivities
• Cultural identity and spiritual freedom embodied in Carnival celebrations
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
hi, I'm carlene and this is Nutmeg Nation.
I have with me a fellowcaribbean.
She's from trinidad and tobago.
She lives there.
I found you on social medialooking on instagram, and I saw
your video on carnival ingrenada and it was very
(00:23):
interesting.
You gave like a great reviewand I was like let me follow her
and see if she would be a gueston the show.
So thank you, harmony yeah yeah,so Harmony Farrell, you are a I
guess you call it contentcreator and influencer, and you
(00:44):
also have a nine to five, butyour background is in theater.
So tell me a little bit abouttheater, like you know.
What got you into that?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I think since I was a little girl, I always knew that
I wanted to be a star of somesort.
I don't exactly remember how Igot into performing arts.
Well, I mean I do, because Iknow you were saying before that
you also used to dance.
So I started dance at five, atfive years old, and then I still
(01:18):
dance up until now, definitelynot as frequently as I used to
before, but I spent my entireschool life in very rigorous
dance training.
I started off my theatre careerin musicals and then I went to
university in England to studytheatre and creative writing.
But my focus has always beenmore on the academic side of
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theatre.
And as much as I like being aperformer, I never wanted to
necessarily be a performer byprofession just because I'm not
a very competitive person.
I don't like the industry, Idon't like having to fight and
perform for my supper.
So, yeah, I then went intotheater education and now I'm in
(02:01):
marketing, where I I be doing alot of theater, but for social
media, if that makes sense.
But what being in theaterexposed me a lot to is culture
and cultural studies, in a sense, which informs quite a lot of
my content, a lot of myperspective.
A lot of my writing when I doget to write everything that I
(02:23):
do links back in some way toculture and a lot of it has to
do with that kind of bridgingbetween traditional culture and
contemporary culture and justthat really rich knowledge of
things about our culture thatthe average person wouldn't know
.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
All comes from my background in theater, so yeah,
yeah, and even, uh, some of yourvideos, like you keep
reinforcing how to, how, theTrinidadian way is you know what
I mean.
I think I've seen some of yourreferences where it's like, no,
it's not this, it's you know,like I think a lot of mistakes
are made in the Caribbean, orjust assumptions, like a
(02:59):
stereotype is what you call it.
Right, but linking back toeverything you said in the arts
and marketing.
So I guess, as a digital, likeas a content, do you consider
yourself a content creator?
Like for the amount of thingsthat you do, right, and so they
are linked to each other, right,but so tell me about, I mean,
(03:19):
this is back in August, right,carnival has long passed, but
getting back, to that it feelslike yesterday, okay, great.
So what made you decide to godown to Grenada in the first
place?
I always.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I've always always wanted to go to Grenada Carnival
.
My best friend is from St Lucia.
I met her in England and whenwe were there we started kind of
carnival hopping.
We started off with BerlinCarnival because we were in
England already.
I went to St Lucia Carnivalwith her and then I've been kind
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of wanting to make my way upthe islands.
But Grenada's Carnival is sodistinct, those images of jab
just always felt like they werecalling me by my name.
I just felt like I need to bethere, aside from the fact that
my family has roots in kairiku,so you know, it's a kind of
going back home in a sense.
(04:16):
And in further commas, but itjust all seemed different, like
it seemed raw in a in a sort ofway and it really did feel like
that.
When I was there the experiencewas unparalleled, like it was
unlike anything that I've everexperienced anywhere else.
I know, being from Trinidad,the mecca of carnival or the
(04:39):
mecca of contemporarycommercialized carnival, but
somebody who really appreciatesand I aim to find spaces in our
commercialized carnival where Ican get that connection with the
root and the connection withthe soul of it, and I've been
lucky enough to find that inTrinidad.
But I just feel like if you goto a place where you don't have
to necessarily look for it, itjust is.
(05:00):
I think that's really beautiful.
So I had it on my bucket listfor a long time.
I've been wanting to go toGrenada Carnival every year.
We would plan and plan and we'dstart a group chat and then the
plan doesn't make it out of thegroup chat and then the tickets
are sold out or the tickets gettoo expensive or whatever.
And it was just by completelike I wasn't even gonna make it
(05:22):
last year, it was by completeluck that I ended up there and
it was just.
It was literally like a dreamcome true.
I have a photo on my visionwell, on my older vision board,
because I've had to update itnow but I had a photo of some
girls on a rainy juvie morning,in their covered in black,
wearing wearing the Jab helmet,walking through St George's in
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the rain.
I had that photo in my visionboard and I used to visualize it
like myself and my girlfriendheading to well, I mean, you
know, finishing up Jab.
So it really literally was likea dream come true to be there
for me.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Hearing you talk about the Jab Jab I think
they've really transformed theculture like the whole.
I watched a documentary on likesome preview of it, so they're
actually making it so popularwith that and I think it's
gaining a lot of interest forsure.
And hearing you talk about thefact that it was on your vision
(06:22):
board, so eventually it wasgoing to happen, and it was
amazing.
I think you kind of, with yoursocial media presence, I think
you've made Grenada highlight interms of like this is something
that you know you want to do inthat sense, so I think it's
amazing that you were able toexperience it Like so for you.
Would you go back again?
(06:43):
Definitely?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
yeah, when I was there, people kept asking me
would you come back?
Of course?
Um, I absolutely definitely,1000% would go back, and you
know just the hospitality that Iexperienced there as well.
It was one of my most, and Iwas there for a long time
because of the flight situationwhen I say a long time longer
(07:06):
than people normally would gofor Canberra I was there for a
few days after enough daysbefore that.
I got to really see andexperience the country as well,
so it just felt like I belonged.
I can't think of any reason whyI would not go back, and I mean
we're talking about jab, buteven the pretty mouth experience
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for me was also excellent.
It was, I mean, it was top tier.
A lot of it has to do with,like, the topography of the
island itself.
The weather is a differentstory because I mean, it happens
in August.
It's the rainy season.
Right, it rained every day.
It rained on the road it rainedevery day.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
That's new.
You know what I think?
This year Grenada's had morefloods than they normally have
like.
Even a couple months ago, myaunt sent me a video with like
another flood.
I'm like what is going on?
Because that's not the norm andand we can say maybe it might
be global warming having to dosomething with that, but it's
really not supposed to.
(08:08):
Like rainy season is now inGrenada Like from December and
January, not August.
So the fact that you got a lotof rain was maybe not the norm,
like, yeah, a little rain, butyeah.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, I think the rainy season doesn't it start in
like June and come up to like.
January-ish.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Historically.
Yes, that's what they say, LikeI mean, when you talk about
rainy season, they say evenhurricane season is from June up
till November.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
From what I read, so hurricane barrel was, not too
long before tornadoesissance,carnival as well, right right, a
little bit concerned about thattoo.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, I mean that was a a serious category hurricane,
like a category three.
That's not the norm either.
So the fact that caracoo's beenhit with that you know, and you
said you have family in caracoo, so from oh from sorry, let's
emphasize, I think every, atleast from what I've, I found
(09:11):
out everyone who almost everyonefrom my family who's from there
now live abroad.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
right, they still have some, they still maintain
some strong level of connectionthere.
So so we've done some familyreunions going across the Cairo.
I haven't been because I'm alittle young.
Yeah, that's where mygrandparents and my great
grandparents are from, and theycame over to Trinidad from Cairo
(09:40):
.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Wow, oh, it's beautiful.
Yes, yes, yeah, I left Grenadawhen I was young.
I was six when I left and I'mfrom Grand Anse and my
grandmother's house still there,right by the beach.
She has like yeah, I always sayshe has the best view, because
you literally see the beach fromher house, which is beautiful.
(10:02):
But from your experience,because Trinidad is the Mecca of
carnival, like even I haven'tgotten to experience.
I've been to Tobago and I spenta day in Trinidad and I do.
It's on my list, too of placesto go back and experience it,
because Trinidad is on anotherlevel when it comes to Carnival.
(10:25):
You guys plan ahead Even fromwhen you go to the airport.
I was just like, well, ifthere's nothing else, like this,
is it because, like, even downto like sitting in the airport,
like I was waiting because I hadan overnight flight when I went
down there, and I'm like, wow,they are, like they're serious
about Carnival.
Like you know, for me, like Imean as someone who lives in
(10:49):
Canada, like Carnival is a thinghere in Canada, a lot of brings
a lot of tourism in, but wedon't advertise it like the way
you guys do.
Like this is your baby, itfeels like when you're sitting
in the airport, there's videomannequins in costume, like you
know.
Yeah, I guess it's different foryou because you live there.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, I think, because I'm so deeply involved
with culture, you know there'salways room for improvement With
the airport.
I do think they they do apretty good job and they've been
improving year by year with howwe have carnival on display for
people arriving into theairport.
But I mean, that being said,peripian airlines did a really
amazing activation as I toucheddown in grenada, as I came out
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of arrivals, like I have a storywith it on Instagram.
There's a job in my face thereguys on stills, the mocojumbies.
They're like characters andthey're somebody covered in oil,
oil from head to toe, tellingme welcome to Grenada.
I was just like this is whereI'm supposed to be right now.
It was fantastic, I think a lotof the corporate entities and
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there was a steel band as well,but I was stuck in in security
so I heard the steel band frominside.
But yeah, I think the corporateentities across the islands are
really doing a better job atmaking that a holistic
experience, literally from offthe plane, for foreigners when
they or anybody you know cominginto the carnival to really feel
it right, I, I haven't been inso long.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So for me my favorite thing when I went years ago
this is like over a decade wasMonday Night Mass.
I love that.
I was like this is unreal.
Like the lights and I mean thecostumes are not pretty mass or
like day carnival and it's more.
It's simple, right, but it'smore about like the, the trucks
(12:39):
what do you call it?
I keep forgetting the name butnot really emphasis on the
masqueraders, but more on thelights and that kind of vibe and
the music, right.
So just hearing you talk aboutyour experience from a landing
at the airport and feeling sowelcome, that's, that's an
improvement in itself, I meanit's interesting because a lot
(13:01):
of trinidadians seem to feellike we we have um, we have
ownership and authority and allthings carnival.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So there are places in trinidad that we have monday,
monday night mass, but it isnothing compared to what is
happening in grenada.
I was anything is going there.
I knew that the pace was at adifferent level, like when I was
planning with friends years inadvance, months in advance.
(13:28):
I'm like you know you had to,you had to rest up, you had a
time because it's space when yougo for nether, it's spaces.
I hear it's party, butexperiencing it this could never
real life.
It was my gosh, yeah, because Imean trinity can do that as well
(13:48):
.
But the thing is we have a bitmore mellow of a party culture.
I would say grenadians will be,so we will go fed after fed,
but we be chilling you knowwe'll have our high moments and
whatever grenadians uh win allout, full energy in all of these
events, including monday nightmass.
(14:10):
I was just dumbfounded, I was ata loss for words.
I was like why do all thesepeople have so much energy still
like I thought at least it'llbe, you know, a little a slower
pace.
There was no stopping.
And I heard that there's evenwednesday like mass after the
monday and tuesday.
Like people commented on myvideo and they were like, oh,
(14:32):
you don't go mass on wednesday.
Oh, you're crazy, that's myhusband mass on wednesday.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yes, you know what I find?
I know someone from guav andshe from.
The time she got down there, Iwas like what I talked to her on
the this was years ago and shewas like already starting.
I was like wait a minute, butyou already just got down there.
You know what I mean.
So it's just crazy, the eventsthat happened.
You're You're listening toNutmeg Nation Listen, learn and
(15:00):
be a part of Grenada.
It sounds like you did a littlebit of everything, though Like
what were your favorite eventslike that?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
you went to not a huge fetter.
For the majority of the eventsI was not really by myself, but
I was my own crew so I wasrolling with the c4 by by mass
um people.
So there are people there who Iknew but I'm not acquainted
(15:30):
enough to say, well, I will,I'll be my regular fetter itself
like a lot of it.
I was just kind of, yeah, theboat ride, rumboat, which again
is C4 events that was oncarnival Sunday.
That was amazing, that was somuch fun so I'll probably have
to stay.
Rumboat was my.
(15:51):
I'm not even remembering some ofthe things that felt like I'm
not even remembering.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, do you doking and queen show?
I'm not even remembering someof the things that felt like a
blip.
I'm not even remembering someof the things yeah, yeah, yeah,
um, and it you do King and Queenshow.
No, no, I did, um, I did.
Oh, come on.
Oh, incredibly interestingAgain, it the rain wasn't seen.
It was crazy.
Uh, it, it's happening.
(16:18):
Oh, my gosh, people wererooting root.
Wow, I have.
I just remembered.
I have a soka monarch videoedited that I never posted.
Maybe I'll post it sometimesoon.
But yeah, that was reallyinteresting.
Again, comparing it to trinidadculture where, of course, we
had soka monarch.
Some we don't have it anymore,but soka monarch was a huge
thing for us, you know, manyyears ago, and now it's not.
And just seeing how pivotal itis for people there, like people
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from all walks of life, peoplefrom the communities are
supporting their artists so hardyou know the level of
production and creativity andthe performances, all of that
that people will literally runout in the rain to cheer on
their artist.
It was really interesting aswell.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
So I think those were two highlight moments for me,
even right so, for those whodon't know what a soka monarch
is, can you elaborate for justanyone that's like, what's a
soka monarch?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
so soka monarch is the competition, the major
competition for Soka artists.
So they are vying for the prizeof Soka Monarch 2024, 2025 or
whatever it is.
So they will reign as themonarch for that year.
So the finals the finals of theSoka Monarch is what the big
attraction is, where everybodycomes and does their live
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performance on stage.
So these performances usuallyhave some sort of dramatic
introduction that will go withthe theme of the performance and
then followed by the artistsperforming their song live.
They'll have dancers, they'llhave props, they'll have set
stuff like that.
What I found really interestingwas the integration of the
multimedia multimedia.
(17:56):
There was some really highquality more or less like short
films that were introducingpeople's performances and you
could look them up on on youtube.
One that I was really impressedwith was um and I think he won
as well an artist called dash.
His song was it's called thetape.
Wow, okay, yeah, his littleshort film is on youtube, but
(18:17):
just seeing the talent went intoit was crazy.
So token monarch is still veryimportant on the carnival friday
for grenadian people, and whatI learned is that a lot of these
artists get a majority of theirsupport from their own
community.
So whatever community they'refrom, will like send busloads of
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people down there to back themand whatnot.
So it's yeah, stadiumenvironment, live proud, just
vibes yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Great vibes for sure.
You know what I think, becausewe're talking about Grenada, I
think it's important for you toalso talk about Trinidad,
because it is the Mecca ofCarnival, and you know a lot of
people go down for Carnival inFebruary.
You know what I mean, and, assomeone who lives in the country
now, I do have to ask you aquestion, though.
(19:14):
Two things.
One, tell me about Carnival inTrinidad.
Why do you think it's such apopular event in comparison to
other islands in the Caribbean?
What brings so many people toTrinidad every year?
I mean, it's coming up likewe're in January and no time you
(19:34):
know.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, so honestly.
So there are a few practicalfactors and a few cultural
factors that I think giveTrinidad's carnival its
precedence.
One of them would definitelyhave to be our cultural makeup.
So, unlike a lot of thecountries in the Caribbean,
trinidad is extremely diverse.
(19:57):
So we all have some degree ofdiversity, but ours is, just
like, on a different level.
So everything that belongs toour culture, our food, our
language, is all, as we call it,just mixed up, mixed up, mix up
.
So I think all those verystrong, different cultural
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influences just give us a verypowerful, really really powerful
product, in addition to thefact that the very practical
fact that Trinidad and Tobago isan oil producing country.
So our revenue, the standard ofliving, our class structure,
things like that, I think arejust conducive to a product, to
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the commercialization of aproduct, to the level that it
has been able to reach.
So we are not a touristdestination.
Tourism forms, I don't want tosay negligible, but a pretty
small part of our revenue andour economy.
But over time, I think, justhaving and in addition to, you
know, our population size beingone of the so I would safely say
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, among the smaller islands whohave French influence, because,
of course the French influenceis what we kind of credit that
connection to Carnival with.
We probably have the largestpopulation, which just makes
sense, why we have the greatestshow on earth.
But Trinidad's Carnival is alsoan experience like no other.
(21:27):
It's getting really interesting.
The whole Carnival industry isgetting really interesting now
because, as Trinidad influencesthe other islands, and not just
the islands you, you know thediaspora as well.
A lot of the carnivals arestarting to feel the same.
But the size, just the size,the proportion, the scale of the
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magnitude of what we do downhere, and the fact that the
entire country is kind ofpivoted or kind of centered
around it, just makes it reallyreally different.
It's something you just can'texplain.
I think a lot of revenue hasbeen gotten out of it, so a lot
of money is put into it, whichjust makes it this all inclusive
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economy, all-encompassingproduct that people really look
forward to coming to Trinidadfor.
So I mean, carnival is my life.
People ask me if I'm playingmass.
I can't picture Carnivalhappening in Port of Spain and I
am not there in a costume.
Something would have to begravely wrong.
And yeah, it's similar toGrenada.
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It's not for the faint of heart.
It's a different kind of pasteas well, but very much about the
aesthetics and the pretty, andyou know, just playing yourself,
playing your true self, I wouldsay then.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, that is definitely a very detailed
description of it.
Like you know your stuff,harmony, I'm impressed Like, I
guess, as someone who's beenliving there, like you grew up
in Trinidad and I guess, as theysay, you're a Trini to the boon
, you know, you know and so Ifeel like it's a cultural mecca,
(23:07):
like it's in your blood, it'spart of who you are, and a lot
of people, uh, celebrate carnand to you is carnival.
What does carnival mean to you?
Is it a cultural thing?
Like you feel like you'rerepresenting Trinidad and Tobago
when you play mass.
Like you know.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So, trinies, honestly , because we are so
self-contained, we arenotoriously just not really
conscious of anything thathappens outside of Trinidad.
So we I don't think we're oftenvery conscious of being Trini
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Like there are moments forCarnival that make me feel like,
wow, this is unique.
There's no other place on earththat I could, you know, just
make friends with this personand never see them again on the
road, and just that feeling ofbliss and whatnot.
So for me it's really moreabout me.
It's about that feeling of acomplete uninhibition, just
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absolute freedom.
And aside from just theexperience on the road, the
anticipation of carnival is amassive thing for me as well.
So from the time january, newyear's day, like I just finished
exercising my my, I find itvery difficult to work out.
When it's not the carnivalseason but preparing for
carnival, the workouts hitcompletely differently.
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I have all the motivation inthe world.
It's all the preparation offiguring out what your monday
wear looks like, um, what shoesyou're gonna be wearing, what
events you're going to like.
Just the the preparation andalways having something to look
forward to just excites me somuch, like I just feel I wake up
and feel happy every single day, any kind of a season because,
(24:53):
um, you just know you'reanticipating the road.
The days coming close to Iliterally get anxious.
I'm like, oh my god, what ifsomething happens to me and I
won't be able to play mass?
Like I don't even havenightmares generally, but my one
recurring nightmare is that Imiss mass.
Like Monday reaches and there'ssomething I can't find it barn
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like.
Whenever I'm really stressed, Ihave these dreams and it just
goes to show you know howpivotal that that is for me.
You feel like that, like it'snot just, it's not just put on a
costume and go and pose, likethis is a spiritual kind of
experience.
It's something that's veryevocative and I can't compare to
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anything else new.
I cannot imagine who I would beor what life would be for me if
I did not know that feeling ofcarnival wow, I feel like it's.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
It's all about the preparation, all about the lead
up to getting there.
And this year when is carnivalin Trinidad?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
it's on the third and fourth of March, so we have a
long season.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Okay, okay, this time it's on the 3rd and 4th of
March, so we have a long season.
Oh, okay, okay, this time it'sin.
Yeah, in March.
Yeah, it's usually.
Is it ever in February?
Why, did I think that yeah,yeah it is so.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
It follows the liturgical calendar.
So whenever I, it will alwaysbe the Monday and Tuesday right
before.
Oh, okay, so the season isreally short.
It's like as early as like the14th of february.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, we just have a long season, that's it oh,
definitely, and I think it'sit's all the parties like.
I mean, there's a lot happening.
It's not just like in grenada,it's a week, I believe you know
it's.
You know the lead up to it,obviously.
I, I know they lead up toCarnival as well, starting in
(26:39):
May, and I didn't realize howmuch goes on with it because,
like, once you try to connectwith artists and stuff, they're
already busy with preparation,shows coming up and just the
whole atmosphere of it.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So I guess it's kind of the same way, the fact that
you're already starting to workout for carnival and you're like
, oh god, yeah, I'm so busy withand it really pains me, like
that was a legitimate reason forme leaving my job.
I said this is the first timein my life that December has met
me and I haven't been able togo to the gym for carnival yet.
(27:14):
And I I just don't feelcomfortable with any job
consuming my life so muchbecause carnival is so important
to me.
I think it's really symbolic.
So anything that is keeping meback from my carnival prep, I
think is keeping me back toomuch.
So I'm literally leaving my job.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Are we airing this part?
Are we taking it out?
Yeah, no sure.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I mean that's you know that's just part of the
reason, but it just goes to show.
You know, it's a ritual, apivot, it's a part of my life
and you know what?
I want anything to come to meso much that I won't be able to
enjoy something that's soimportant to me and prepare, you
know I don't really be do yourthing.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, I know, because some people have called in sick
.
So I think there's something tobe said about work life balance
, you know, because it's eitheryou work to live or live to work
.
But you want to be able to dothe things that you enjoy too.
That's the whole part of it,and so if your work is taking
over your personal life and youcan't really enjoy it, that's
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really the hard part if the workstop in the line.
I love it, I love it.
It's good, it's good, good thework, yes, yes.
So one more thing did youalready choose your costume?
You already know for sure, forsure, for sure, for sure for
sure, for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I'm with the band Tribe.
I'm on their committee.
We started registration from, Ithink, August last year.
I chose my costume.
I was there at the band launch.
I went into the showroom theday it opened.
It was my costume.
I have it as my wallpaper on myphone.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
That's awesome.
It born.
That's awesome, it's exciting,you know, leading up to all the
excitement and all the fun andeverything that encompasses
Carnival, you know.
So thank you for sharing yourexperience and for sharing your
insight into Grenada, like youknow what I mean.
I hope you get to experienceCarnival again and come down to
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the island of Grenada, as youdid before.
You know I do have to say thatwhen I went, I did really enjoy
Tobago in your experience.
So for me, I love the beachesin Tobago.
Do you have an opinion on that?
Because I've had this argumentwith my old roommate who's from
Trinidad and she's like you know, trinidad has the best.
(29:33):
I'm like I don't know aboutthat, but in comparison to
Tobago, trinidad and other, youknow other who do you think?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Tobago has world class beaches.
Like I think Tobago isabsolutely a tourist destination
.
I don't think that Trinidad'scultural tourism is ecotourism
or tourism is developed enoughthat it makes sense to come here
aside from Carnival.
I know that's a real hot take,but I feel like if you go to
Trinidad at any point during theyear and you know, enjoy what
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there is there, ouraccessibility to our sites and
stuff just makes it reallydifficult.
And Tobago's beaches areamazing, trinidad's beaches good
for what they are.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yes, we can.
Okay, Well, I'm Carlene andthis is Nutmeg Nation.
Thank you, harmony.
Thank you for listening toNutmeg Nation with Carlene
Humphrey.
hi, I'm carlene and this is Nutmeg Nation.
I have with me a fellowcaribbean.
She's from trinidad and tobago.
She lives there.
I found you on social medialooking on instagram, and I saw
your video on carnival ingrenada and it was very
(00:23):
interesting.
You gave like a great reviewand I was like let me follow her
and see if she would be a gueston the show.
So thank you, harmony yeah yeah,so Harmony Farrell, you are a I
guess you call it contentcreator and influencer, and you
(00:44):
also have a nine to five, butyour background is in theater.
So tell me a little bit abouttheater, like you know.
What got you into that?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I think since I was a little girl, I always knew that
I wanted to be a star of somesort.
I don't exactly remember how Igot into performing arts.
Well, I mean I do, because Iknow you were saying before that
you also used to dance.
So I started dance at five, atfive years old, and then I still
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dance up until now, definitelynot as frequently as I used to
before, but I spent my entireschool life in very rigorous
dance training.
I started off my theatre careerin musicals and then I went to
university in England to studytheatre and creative writing.
But my focus has always beenmore on the academic side of
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theatre.
And as much as I like being aperformer, I never wanted to
necessarily be a performer byprofession just because I'm not
a very competitive person.
I don't like the industry, Idon't like having to fight and
perform for my supper.
So, yeah, I then went intotheater education and now I'm in
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marketing, where I I be doing alot of theater, but for social
media, if that makes sense.
But what being in theaterexposed me a lot to is culture
and cultural studies, in a sense, which informs quite a lot of
my content, a lot of myperspective.
A lot of my writing when I doget to write everything that I
(02:23):
do links back in some way toculture and a lot of it has to
do with that kind of bridgingbetween traditional culture and
contemporary culture and justthat really rich knowledge of
things about our culture thatthe average person wouldn't know
.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
All comes from my background in theater, so yeah,
yeah, and even, uh, some of yourvideos, like you keep
reinforcing how to, how, theTrinidadian way is you know what
I mean.
I think I've seen some of yourreferences where it's like, no,
it's not this, it's you know,like I think a lot of mistakes
are made in the Caribbean, orjust assumptions, like a
(02:59):
stereotype is what you call it.
Right, but linking back toeverything you said in the arts
and marketing.
So I guess, as a digital, likeas a content, do you consider
yourself a content creator?
Like for the amount of thingsthat you do, right, and so they
are linked to each other, right,but so tell me about, I mean,
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this is back in August, right,carnival has long passed, but
getting back, to that it feelslike yesterday, okay, great.
So what made you decide to godown to Grenada in the first
place?
I always.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I've always always wanted to go to Grenada Carnival
.
My best friend is from St Lucia.
I met her in England and whenwe were there we started kind of
carnival hopping.
We started off with BerlinCarnival because we were in
England already.
I went to St Lucia Carnivalwith her and then I've been kind
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of wanting to make my way upthe islands.
But Grenada's Carnival is sodistinct, those images of jab
just always felt like they werecalling me by my name.
I just felt like I need to bethere, aside from the fact that
my family has roots in kairiku,so you know, it's a kind of
going back home in a sense.
(04:16):
And in further commas, but itjust all seemed different, like
it seemed raw in a in a sort ofway and it really did feel like
that.
When I was there the experiencewas unparalleled, like it was
unlike anything that I've everexperienced anywhere else.
I know, being from Trinidad,the mecca of carnival or the
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mecca of contemporarycommercialized carnival, but
somebody who really appreciatesand I aim to find spaces in our
commercialized carnival where Ican get that connection with the
root and the connection withthe soul of it, and I've been
lucky enough to find that inTrinidad.
But I just feel like if you goto a place where you don't have
to necessarily look for it, itjust is.
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I think that's really beautiful.
So I had it on my bucket listfor a long time.
I've been wanting to go toGrenada Carnival every year.
We would plan and plan and we'dstart a group chat and then the
plan doesn't make it out of thegroup chat and then the tickets
are sold out or the tickets gettoo expensive or whatever.
And it was just by completelike I wasn't even gonna make it
(05:22):
last year, it was by completeluck that I ended up there and
it was just.
It was literally like a dreamcome true.
I have a photo on my visionwell, on my older vision board,
because I've had to update itnow but I had a photo of some
girls on a rainy juvie morning,in their covered in black,
wearing wearing the Jab helmet,walking through St George's in
(05:46):
the rain.
I had that photo in my visionboard and I used to visualize it
like myself and my girlfriendheading to well, I mean, you
know, finishing up Jab.
So it really literally was likea dream come true to be there
for me.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Hearing you talk about the Jab Jab I think
they've really transformed theculture like the whole.
I watched a documentary on likesome preview of it, so they're
actually making it so popularwith that and I think it's
gaining a lot of interest forsure.
And hearing you talk about thefact that it was on your vision
(06:22):
board, so eventually it wasgoing to happen, and it was
amazing.
I think you kind of, with yoursocial media presence, I think
you've made Grenada highlight interms of like this is something
that you know you want to do inthat sense, so I think it's
amazing that you were able toexperience it Like so for you.
Would you go back again?
(06:43):
Definitely?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
yeah, when I was there, people kept asking me
would you come back?
Of course?
Um, I absolutely definitely,1000% would go back, and you
know just the hospitality that Iexperienced there as well.
It was one of my most, and Iwas there for a long time
because of the flight situationwhen I say a long time longer
(07:06):
than people normally would gofor Canberra I was there for a
few days after enough daysbefore that.
I got to really see andexperience the country as well,
so it just felt like I belonged.
I can't think of any reason whyI would not go back, and I mean
we're talking about jab, buteven the pretty mouth experience
(07:27):
for me was also excellent.
It was, I mean, it was top tier.
A lot of it has to do with,like, the topography of the
island itself.
The weather is a differentstory because I mean, it happens
in August.
It's the rainy season.
Right, it rained every day.
It rained on the road it rainedevery day.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
That's new.
You know what I think?
This year Grenada's had morefloods than they normally have
like.
Even a couple months ago, myaunt sent me a video with like
another flood.
I'm like what is going on?
Because that's not the norm andand we can say maybe it might
be global warming having to dosomething with that, but it's
really not supposed to.
(08:08):
Like rainy season is now inGrenada Like from December and
January, not August.
So the fact that you got a lotof rain was maybe not the norm,
like, yeah, a little rain, butyeah.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, I think the rainy season doesn't it start in
like June and come up to like.
January-ish.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Historically.
Yes, that's what they say, LikeI mean, when you talk about
rainy season, they say evenhurricane season is from June up
till November.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
From what I read, so hurricane barrel was, not too
long before tornadoesissance,carnival as well, right right, a
little bit concerned about thattoo.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, I mean that was a a serious category hurricane,
like a category three.
That's not the norm either.
So the fact that caracoo's beenhit with that you know, and you
said you have family in caracoo, so from oh from sorry, let's
emphasize, I think every, atleast from what I've, I found
(09:11):
out everyone who almost everyonefrom my family who's from there
now live abroad.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
right, they still have some, they still maintain
some strong level of connectionthere.
So so we've done some familyreunions going across the Cairo.
I haven't been because I'm alittle young.
Yeah, that's where mygrandparents and my great
grandparents are from, and theycame over to Trinidad from Cairo
(09:40):
.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Wow, oh, it's beautiful.
Yes, yes, yeah, I left Grenadawhen I was young.
I was six when I left and I'mfrom Grand Anse and my
grandmother's house still there,right by the beach.
She has like yeah, I always sayshe has the best view, because
you literally see the beach fromher house, which is beautiful.
(10:02):
But from your experience,because Trinidad is the Mecca of
carnival, like even I haven'tgotten to experience.
I've been to Tobago and I spenta day in Trinidad and I do.
It's on my list, too of placesto go back and experience it,
because Trinidad is on anotherlevel when it comes to Carnival.
(10:25):
You guys plan ahead Even fromwhen you go to the airport.
I was just like, well, ifthere's nothing else, like this,
is it because, like, even downto like sitting in the airport,
like I was waiting because I hadan overnight flight when I went
down there, and I'm like, wow,they are, like they're serious
about Carnival.
Like you know, for me, like Imean as someone who lives in
(10:49):
Canada, like Carnival is a thinghere in Canada, a lot of brings
a lot of tourism in, but wedon't advertise it like the way
you guys do.
Like this is your baby, itfeels like when you're sitting
in the airport, there's videomannequins in costume, like you
know.
Yeah, I guess it's different foryou because you live there.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, I think, because I'm so deeply involved
with culture, you know there'salways room for improvement With
the airport.
I do think they they do apretty good job and they've been
improving year by year with howwe have carnival on display for
people arriving into theairport.
But I mean, that being said,peripian airlines did a really
amazing activation as I toucheddown in grenada, as I came out
(11:32):
of arrivals, like I have a storywith it on Instagram.
There's a job in my face thereguys on stills, the mocojumbies.
They're like characters andthey're somebody covered in oil,
oil from head to toe, tellingme welcome to Grenada.
I was just like this is whereI'm supposed to be right now.
It was fantastic, I think a lotof the corporate entities and
(11:55):
there was a steel band as well,but I was stuck in in security
so I heard the steel band frominside.
But yeah, I think the corporateentities across the islands are
really doing a better job atmaking that a holistic
experience, literally from offthe plane, for foreigners when
they or anybody you know cominginto the carnival to really feel
it right, I, I haven't been inso long.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So for me my favorite thing when I went years ago
this is like over a decade wasMonday Night Mass.
I love that.
I was like this is unreal.
Like the lights and I mean thecostumes are not pretty mass or
like day carnival and it's more.
It's simple, right, but it'smore about like the, the trucks
(12:39):
what do you call it?
I keep forgetting the name butnot really emphasis on the
masqueraders, but more on thelights and that kind of vibe and
the music, right.
So just hearing you talk aboutyour experience from a landing
at the airport and feeling sowelcome, that's, that's an
improvement in itself, I meanit's interesting because a lot
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of trinidadians seem to feellike we we have um, we have
ownership and authority and allthings carnival.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So there are places in trinidad that we have monday,
monday night mass, but it isnothing compared to what is
happening in grenada.
I was anything is going there.
I knew that the pace was at adifferent level, like when I was
planning with friends years inadvance, months in advance.
(13:28):
I'm like you know you had to,you had to rest up, you had a
time because it's space when yougo for nether, it's spaces.
I hear it's party, butexperiencing it this could never
real life.
It was my gosh, yeah, because Imean trinity can do that as well
(13:48):
.
But the thing is we have a bitmore mellow of a party culture.
I would say grenadians will be,so we will go fed after fed,
but we be chilling you knowwe'll have our high moments and
whatever grenadians uh win allout, full energy in all of these
events, including monday nightmass.
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I was just dumbfounded, I was ata loss for words.
I was like why do all thesepeople have so much energy still
like I thought at least it'llbe, you know, a little a slower
pace.
There was no stopping.
And I heard that there's evenwednesday like mass after the
monday and tuesday.
Like people commented on myvideo and they were like, oh,
(14:32):
you don't go mass on wednesday.
Oh, you're crazy, that's myhusband mass on wednesday.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yes, you know what I find?
I know someone from guav andshe from.
The time she got down there, Iwas like what I talked to her on
the this was years ago and shewas like already starting.
I was like wait a minute, butyou already just got down there.
You know what I mean.
So it's just crazy, the eventsthat happened.
You're You're listening toNutmeg Nation Listen, learn and
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be a part of Grenada.
It sounds like you did a littlebit of everything, though Like
what were your favorite eventslike that?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
you went to not a huge fetter.
For the majority of the eventsI was not really by myself, but
I was my own crew so I wasrolling with the c4 by by mass
um people.
So there are people there who Iknew but I'm not acquainted
(15:30):
enough to say, well, I will,I'll be my regular fetter itself
like a lot of it.
I was just kind of, yeah, theboat ride, rumboat, which again
is C4 events that was oncarnival Sunday.
That was amazing, that was somuch fun so I'll probably have
to stay.
Rumboat was my.
(15:51):
I'm not even remembering some ofthe things that felt like I'm
not even remembering.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, do you doking and queen show?
I'm not even remembering someof the things that felt like a
blip.
I'm not even remembering someof the things yeah, yeah, yeah,
um, and it you do King and Queenshow.
No, no, I did, um, I did.
Oh, come on.
Oh, incredibly interestingAgain, it the rain wasn't seen.
It was crazy.
Uh, it, it's happening.
(16:18):
Oh, my gosh, people wererooting root.
Wow, I have.
I just remembered.
I have a soka monarch videoedited that I never posted.
Maybe I'll post it sometimesoon.
But yeah, that was reallyinteresting.
Again, comparing it to trinidadculture where, of course, we
had soka monarch.
Some we don't have it anymore,but soka monarch was a huge
thing for us, you know, manyyears ago, and now it's not.
And just seeing how pivotal itis for people there, like people
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from all walks of life, peoplefrom the communities are
supporting their artists so hardyou know the level of
production and creativity andthe performances, all of that
that people will literally runout in the rain to cheer on
their artist.
It was really interesting aswell.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
So I think those were two highlight moments for me,
even right so, for those whodon't know what a soka monarch
is, can you elaborate for justanyone that's like, what's a
soka monarch?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
so soka monarch is the competition, the major
competition for Soka artists.
So they are vying for the prizeof Soka Monarch 2024, 2025 or
whatever it is.
So they will reign as themonarch for that year.
So the finals the finals of theSoka Monarch is what the big
attraction is, where everybodycomes and does their live
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performance on stage.
So these performances usuallyhave some sort of dramatic
introduction that will go withthe theme of the performance and
then followed by the artistsperforming their song live.
They'll have dancers, they'llhave props, they'll have set
stuff like that.
What I found really interestingwas the integration of the
multimedia multimedia.
(17:56):
There was some really highquality more or less like short
films that were introducingpeople's performances and you
could look them up on on youtube.
One that I was really impressedwith was um and I think he won
as well an artist called dash.
His song was it's called thetape.
Wow, okay, yeah, his littleshort film is on youtube, but
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just seeing the talent went intoit was crazy.
So token monarch is still veryimportant on the carnival friday
for grenadian people, and whatI learned is that a lot of these
artists get a majority of theirsupport from their own
community.
So whatever community they'refrom, will like send busloads of
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people down there to back themand whatnot.
So it's yeah, stadiumenvironment, live proud, just
vibes yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Great vibes for sure.
You know what I think, becausewe're talking about Grenada, I
think it's important for you toalso talk about Trinidad,
because it is the Mecca ofCarnival, and you know a lot of
people go down for Carnival inFebruary.
You know what I mean, and, assomeone who lives in the country
now, I do have to ask you aquestion, though.
(19:14):
Two things.
One, tell me about Carnival inTrinidad.
Why do you think it's such apopular event in comparison to
other islands in the Caribbean?
What brings so many people toTrinidad every year?
I mean, it's coming up likewe're in January and no time you
(19:34):
know.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, so honestly.
So there are a few practicalfactors and a few cultural
factors that I think giveTrinidad's carnival its
precedence.
One of them would definitelyhave to be our cultural makeup.
So, unlike a lot of thecountries in the Caribbean,
trinidad is extremely diverse.
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So we all have some degree ofdiversity, but ours is, just
like, on a different level.
So everything that belongs toour culture, our food, our
language, is all, as we call it,just mixed up, mixed up, mix up
.
So I think all those verystrong, different cultural
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influences just give us a verypowerful, really really powerful
product, in addition to thefact that the very practical
fact that Trinidad and Tobago isan oil producing country.
So our revenue, the standard ofliving, our class structure,
things like that, I think arejust conducive to a product, to
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the commercialization of aproduct, to the level that it
has been able to reach.
So we are not a touristdestination.
Tourism forms, I don't want tosay negligible, but a pretty
small part of our revenue andour economy.
But over time, I think, justhaving and in addition to, you
know, our population size beingone of the so I would safely say
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, among the smaller islands whohave French influence, because,
of course the French influenceis what we kind of credit that
connection to Carnival with.
We probably have the largestpopulation, which just makes
sense, why we have the greatestshow on earth.
But Trinidad's Carnival is alsoan experience like no other.
(21:27):
It's getting really interesting.
The whole Carnival industry isgetting really interesting now
because, as Trinidad influencesthe other islands, and not just
the islands you, you know thediaspora as well.
A lot of the carnivals arestarting to feel the same.
But the size, just the size,the proportion, the scale of the
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magnitude of what we do downhere, and the fact that the
entire country is kind ofpivoted or kind of centered
around it, just makes it reallyreally different.
It's something you just can'texplain.
I think a lot of revenue hasbeen gotten out of it, so a lot
of money is put into it, whichjust makes it this all inclusive
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economy, all-encompassingproduct that people really look
forward to coming to Trinidadfor.
So I mean, carnival is my life.
People ask me if I'm playingmass.
I can't picture Carnivalhappening in Port of Spain and I
am not there in a costume.
Something would have to begravely wrong.
And yeah, it's similar toGrenada.
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It's not for the faint of heart.
It's a different kind of pasteas well, but very much about the
aesthetics and the pretty, andyou know, just playing yourself,
playing your true self, I wouldsay then.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, that is definitely a very detailed
description of it.
Like you know your stuff,harmony, I'm impressed Like, I
guess, as someone who's beenliving there, like you grew up
in Trinidad and I guess, as theysay, you're a Trini to the boon
, you know, you know and so Ifeel like it's a cultural mecca,
(23:07):
like it's in your blood, it'spart of who you are, and a lot
of people, uh, celebrate carnand to you is carnival.
What does carnival mean to you?
Is it a cultural thing?
Like you feel like you'rerepresenting Trinidad and Tobago
when you play mass.
Like you know.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So, trinies, honestly , because we are so
self-contained, we arenotoriously just not really
conscious of anything thathappens outside of Trinidad.
So we I don't think we're oftenvery conscious of being Trini
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Like there are moments forCarnival that make me feel like,
wow, this is unique.
There's no other place on earththat I could, you know, just
make friends with this personand never see them again on the
road, and just that feeling ofbliss and whatnot.
So for me it's really moreabout me.
It's about that feeling of acomplete uninhibition, just
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absolute freedom.
And aside from just theexperience on the road, the
anticipation of carnival is amassive thing for me as well.
So from the time january, newyear's day, like I just finished
exercising my my, I find itvery difficult to work out.
When it's not the carnivalseason but preparing for
carnival, the workouts hitcompletely differently.
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I have all the motivation inthe world.
It's all the preparation offiguring out what your monday
wear looks like, um, what shoesyou're gonna be wearing, what
events you're going to like.
Just the the preparation andalways having something to look
forward to just excites me somuch, like I just feel I wake up
and feel happy every single day, any kind of a season because,
(24:53):
um, you just know you'reanticipating the road.
The days coming close to Iliterally get anxious.
I'm like, oh my god, what ifsomething happens to me and I
won't be able to play mass?
Like I don't even havenightmares generally, but my one
recurring nightmare is that Imiss mass.
Like Monday reaches and there'ssomething I can't find it barn
(25:13):
like.
Whenever I'm really stressed, Ihave these dreams and it just
goes to show you know howpivotal that that is for me.
You feel like that, like it'snot just, it's not just put on a
costume and go and pose, likethis is a spiritual kind of
experience.
It's something that's veryevocative and I can't compare to
(25:34):
anything else new.
I cannot imagine who I would beor what life would be for me if
I did not know that feeling ofcarnival wow, I feel like it's.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
It's all about the preparation, all about the lead
up to getting there.
And this year when is carnivalin Trinidad?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
it's on the third and fourth of March, so we have a
long season.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Okay, okay, this time it's on the 3rd and 4th of
March, so we have a long season.
Oh, okay, okay, this time it'sin.
Yeah, in March.
Yeah, it's usually.
Is it ever in February?
Why, did I think that yeah,yeah it is so.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
It follows the liturgical calendar.
So whenever I, it will alwaysbe the Monday and Tuesday right
before.
Oh, okay, so the season isreally short.
It's like as early as like the14th of february.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, we just have a long season, that's it oh,
definitely, and I think it'sit's all the parties like.
I mean, there's a lot happening.
It's not just like in grenada,it's a week, I believe you know
it's.
You know the lead up to it,obviously.
I, I know they lead up toCarnival as well, starting in
(26:39):
May, and I didn't realize howmuch goes on with it because,
like, once you try to connectwith artists and stuff, they're
already busy with preparation,shows coming up and just the
whole atmosphere of it.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So I guess it's kind of the same way, the fact that
you're already starting to workout for carnival and you're like
, oh god, yeah, I'm so busy withand it really pains me, like
that was a legitimate reason forme leaving my job.
I said this is the first timein my life that December has met
me and I haven't been able togo to the gym for carnival yet.
(27:14):
And I I just don't feelcomfortable with any job
consuming my life so muchbecause carnival is so important
to me.
I think it's really symbolic.
So anything that is keeping meback from my carnival prep, I
think is keeping me back toomuch.
So I'm literally leaving my job.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Are we airing this part?
Are we taking it out?
Yeah, no sure.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I mean that's you know that's just part of the
reason, but it just goes to show.
You know, it's a ritual, apivot, it's a part of my life
and you know what?
I want anything to come to meso much that I won't be able to
enjoy something that's soimportant to me and prepare, you
know I don't really be do yourthing.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, I know, because some people have called in sick
.
So I think there's something tobe said about work life balance
, you know, because it's eitheryou work to live or live to work
.
But you want to be able to dothe things that you enjoy too.
That's the whole part of it,and so if your work is taking
over your personal life and youcan't really enjoy it, that's
(28:19):
really the hard part if the workstop in the line.
I love it, I love it.
It's good, it's good, good thework, yes, yes.
So one more thing did youalready choose your costume?
You already know for sure, forsure, for sure, for sure for
sure, for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I'm with the band Tribe.
I'm on their committee.
We started registration from, Ithink, August last year.
I chose my costume.
I was there at the band launch.
I went into the showroom theday it opened.
It was my costume.
I have it as my wallpaper on myphone.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
That's awesome.
It born.
That's awesome, it's exciting,you know, leading up to all the
excitement and all the fun andeverything that encompasses
Carnival, you know.
So thank you for sharing yourexperience and for sharing your
insight into Grenada, like youknow what I mean.
I hope you get to experienceCarnival again and come down to
(29:13):
the island of Grenada, as youdid before.
You know I do have to say thatwhen I went, I did really enjoy
Tobago in your experience.
So for me, I love the beachesin Tobago.
Do you have an opinion on that?
Because I've had this argumentwith my old roommate who's from
Trinidad and she's like you know, trinidad has the best.
(29:33):
I'm like I don't know aboutthat, but in comparison to
Tobago, trinidad and other, youknow other who do you think?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Tobago has world class beaches.
Like I think Tobago isabsolutely a tourist destination
.
I don't think that Trinidad'scultural tourism is ecotourism
or tourism is developed enoughthat it makes sense to come here
aside from Carnival.
I know that's a real hot take,but I feel like if you go to
Trinidad at any point during theyear and you know, enjoy what
(30:06):
there is there, ouraccessibility to our sites and
stuff just makes it reallydifficult.
And Tobago's beaches areamazing, trinidad's beaches good
for what they are.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yes, we can.
Okay, Well, I'm Carlene andthis is Nutmeg Nation.
Thank you, harmony.
Thank you for listening toNutmeg Nation with Carlene
Humphrey.
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