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Speaker 1 (00:12):
peace, world peace.
Bro, how you doing, it's yourbrother, mikey fever.
We got my man shawny in thebuilding.
It's the nyp tuesday hip-hopshow, news entertainment man.
I was just bobbing up some old,I ain't going to lie, that's my
favorite artist?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
yo he, not my Fisher Price artist, right, like you
know, my starter kid artist.
But as far as favorite artistsgo, as far as laying a game plan
down and following it step forstep, you know, as far as big
(00:57):
ambition is concerned, as far asputting money in other people's
pockets is concerned, as far asstarting it from nothing,
starting over, twice starting,over twice.
That's a fact.
Money in other people's pocketsis concerned as far as starting
it from nothing, starting overtwice.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Starting over twice, that's a fact, right, that's
tough yo, he started over twotimes.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
He came back from the Jam, master Jay.
Debacle Rest in peace.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, rest in peace, jam, master Jay you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
And then he went away for a little while before he
went to do the movies and so onand so forth.
He came back, dropped um animaland it gives you the motivation
(01:44):
.
That's nice, macy, I like that.
That.
It gives you the motivation.
That's nice, macy, I like that.
It gives you the motivation,like you know what I'm saying,
like he motivated me to get upand make it happen in that
moment in my life, like you knowwhat I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So big shout out to 50 man shout out to the whole
unit man, there's one moreperson they don't speak about.
There's two people they don'tspeak about as much like I don't
see New York.
There's two people they don'tspeak about as much I don't see
New York really celebrate them.
Rest in peace to Chinks andrest in peace to Stack Bundles.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, but you know what that is.
I think it's the time when theycame.
You know what I'm saying.
You came along at a time whenall this was in and all this was
out.
They almost was the start ofall this dying on the reg.
They was almost the start ofthat.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, unfortunately they both had promising futures.
I used to be around them,around Chinks mostly.
Shout out to my brother TenCity.
Shout out to the Coat BoysBrock Droop Cheese, chinks
mostly.
And shout out to my brother tedcity um, shout out to the coat
boys, brock droop cheese.
Right, you know all the red bigshots, red mcfly, you know what
I'm saying?
Yeah, definitely yo watchingchinks grind man, he was yo.
(02:59):
That album, his mixtapes alonewere killing them.
But that album, that personworking with jf people just
don't take no for an answer.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You know what?
I'm saying and I'm not thebiggest.
I'm heavy on lyrics.
I'm super heavy on lyrics.
I'm not the biggest fan ofneither one of them individuals
musically, but you from the townand I always respect ground,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
And even to level it out.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I feel like that about Chris Rock too.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Just to level it out, I don't think Chris Rock funny,
chappelle and George CarlinGeorge Carlin was my dude.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, now George Carlin.
George Carlin educated.
Comedy is a beautiful thing.
It kind of like is the essenceof comedy like a lot of people
forget why we laugh.
You know, a lot of people havebeen trained to laugh for
escapism and forget that welaughed at comedy because of how
(03:58):
true it was, like it resonatedwith all of us and that feeling
we found funny, you know what Imean.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So yeah, that's why I think it's a difference between
people who tell jokes andactual comedians.
It's a difference.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Most definitely Trev.
What up, bro?
What's poppin' Trev.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
What's good Sean, how you doing Fixed a mustache man,
I'm a heightie as soon as I canget the stash right, I'll be a
height, you know okay now yougot me a trip to the barber yo
yeah, I know I'll be on mywolverine type.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm a caveman, bro.
I don't mind I'm a viking, I'm aviking, I don't mind it you're
on your brawny man chopper yeahmaybe I need to start selling
(04:45):
paper towels.
I need a new hustle around hereanyway, man.
Maybe I need to start sellingsome paper towels.
Man, Maybe I've been doing thewrong thing all this time.
What's?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
going on, Trav.
What are you doing?
What's up?
How you feeling, man?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I'm good, I'm good, you know, I maintain it.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Y'all look like you got no rest man.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Say what, yo, you got no rest, no rest.
I got a four-month-old babyyeah.
I take naps, I take naps andthen, before you know it, you
got to get up, run around, go towork.
So that's just life right now.
Yo.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Fever.
You got the applause soundtrackover there.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Give him a round of applause.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
He making things happen yo.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
It don't make a difference.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Now you got it Terrible right.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
It's cheap, it's cheap, it's cheap, it's cheap,
it's cheap.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Work.
Some consult up and don't work.
It was one clap.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
You got it you got it , you got it.
Hit it like a thousand timesfor you, man.
Yo congratulations, trev,because you yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
You get this for him.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Okay, I'm reloaded.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, word, you reloaded Trev because you are an
example of what it takes to bea father in these times, man.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Thank you, I appreciate it, but I do have the
eye patches that I've beenusing a lot the.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
TikTok shop joint the gold joints.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Nah, nah, nah.
Before TikTok was selling allthat stuff, I was buying it.
That's not new.
And plus, when I go to my mom'shouse my mom's got the one that
stay in the freezer.
So when I go to her house I putthe joints on my eyes and it
takes the swelling down a littlebit.
So I got a matter of fact, Imight add that to the wish list.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
So with baby Taj?
You feed him every three hours.
Yeah, I feed him every threehours.
Yeah, wake him up.
I remember those days, yo, withmy daughter, Three hours.
Yeah, I miss those days.
So let's get it popping, myfellas.
What's going on with this?
Lord Jamar selling out?
I have been hearing this.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yo, you know what I'm going to be honest with you.
You know, I tried somethingdifferent this week, right?
I kind of like stayed out ofeverything because I really
wanted to hear y'all opinionsfirst.
So I blacked everybody else out.
I heard nothing, I don't got myown opinion or nothing.
(07:24):
I'm trying to see how welly'all can sway me one way or the
next man.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
So I'll be ready for some questions.
Let me start it off Now.
Okay, see, I'm always going to.
I'm going to play Devil'sAdvocate, I like it.
So we're talking about LordJamal right Now.
Here's the thing Lord Jamal waslike a featured guest on Vlad
TV right?
Yep, I don't know where theywent and had their little
(07:53):
argument, and it was on the outs, right.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
But Mr Wilson.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
What up Jeezy?
What up Upset stomach y'all.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Forgive me.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Diarrhea Pepto-Bismol .
Speaker 4 (08:15):
You need that pepper?
All right, yo, I need thatpepper right now, fam, I ain't
eating that pork God.
It wasn't pork, god, I hadCaribbean food, god.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Oh, shoot what you had oh yeah, All them spices.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I had some.
I had some.
Yo them spices tear you up.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I sell my four trap.
Go ahead, keep cooking.
Let me come to you Pause.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Pause, pause, pause.
I had some.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I had some.
I had some.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Escovitch.
I had some Escovitch, listen.
Listen, I was in the bathroomlooking like a homie from Dumb
and Dumber just now.
So you know.
(09:07):
But if I calm down, if I mutemyself, just know it's on, I
want to run I want to run g soyo.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
We always talk about lord jamal, so I know trap was
going in.
So go ahead, let it go Trev.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Continue on, bro, continue Trev.
I feel like this.
I know Lord Jamal.
First of all, lord Jamal isvery opinionated nowadays, right
?
I feel like him and Vlad are agreat match Because, for one,
(09:46):
lord Jamal ain't gonna he's notgonna hold back.
You ask him anything.
He ain't one of those dudesthat you can ask something and
he's gonna put himself on a,let's say, on a chopping block.
I don't know where it went outon the house, I don't know where
he.
I think people saying that hewas selling because he went to
black, but I don't know whereelse to go.
(10:06):
If you want to tell the story,you know what I'm saying.
I don't see the sellout part.
I'm not going to just sayeverybody's a sellout because
they go to black, because me,I'm going to play devil's
advocate.
We all need a decent whiteperson in this industry that's
(10:27):
going to get us through the nextdoor.
I'm just saying the bag, noteven the bag, just to get you to
the next level.
It may not even be the bag, butwe all need one good white
person in our crew to just dothings that we can't do.
You know, what I'm saying and Ithink Lord Jamar and Vlad is
(10:47):
that I don't see the selloutpart.
Because I don't see Lord Jamaras a sellout, I see him as a
truth teller.
First of all, he's a legend.
He's from Brandon Lugia.
You got to respect that.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You a flat earther too, you a flat earther.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
What shape the earth is.
No, I'm just asking you.
I'm just asking you, you, aflat earther with him.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
If I ever get somebody to go to space and see
if it's flat around for us, I'lllet y'all know when I come back
.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You can make that trip Go ahead, Cliff.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
George Martin sold out when he said the Earth was
flat.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Nick.
Hey Cliff remind us how longago was that?
Was that a while ago?
I think that was a while agotoo.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Well, that was like two years ago.
He started it, he kept going onwith it and he kept trying to
make facts about it with hishypothetical theories and I'm
like, all right, that's cool,fam, but none of like the way
the world works and the way thataccess works.
You know how if you want anairplane, you can your sound,
(12:00):
your sound your sound guys.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
It's a little my sound muffled.
Yeah, it's fading out a littlebit.
Go ahead now All right, myfault.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
When you're in an airplane, if you look outside,
you can see the curve.
Yeah, and, like in Horizon, youcan see the curve.
I don't know what planet he'sbeen on.
Your eyes can see the curve.
It's completely different whenyou're high up in the airplane
(12:28):
than when you're on ground level.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
That's a fact.
You can't fake that yo.
You can't fake the curvature.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I don't think he's a sellout.
As far as going on Vlad, I'mnot a sellout at all.
I think he's a.
I think he reneged on hisoriginal statement saying he
wouldn't go back on Vlad, right,but I don't think he's a
sellout, because what did heactually do that sold us out,
right?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I don't think that he's a sellout for them sakes,
right?
Is that the argument?
Is the argument?
Is he a sellout because he keep?
Going flat, that's not the nah,I don't he's not a sellout for
that, but I also think he's onthe art of dialogue too.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
He's on that joint too and he be talking matter of
fact, when he was saying aboutwhat Michelle Obama, who he was
talking about- oh no, notMichelle Kam Obama, who he was
talking about.
No, not Michelle Kamala.
He was talking about Kamala.
He was on the Art of Dialogue.
They were going off.
Yeah, I still didn't know thathe had an outspread with Vlad.
But to me it's just like if yougot a beef or let's say it's
(13:39):
not a beef I don't want to usethat word but you had a
disagreement with your man,y'all ain't talking.
A month, a year, two go by, andthen within that year or so,
you think about, like yo, wedidn't speak, for what?
Oh, because the pizza was cold.
That was the argument.
You know what I'm saying.
It'd be something simple likethat, where you think about it
and be like yo, my bad yo, youknow what I'm saying.
(14:00):
So I, you know what I'm saying.
He's definitely not a sellout,but I just feel like when they
get together, we're going to geta lot of good content.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
They run up numbers.
I believe Lord Jamore has apodcast right.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
The Godcat.
That's the name of it I haven'tseen him promoted in a while,
did he?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
have a Rod Digger that was it Cool.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
If that's the argument there, I don't believe
that's enough to call a man asellout.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, if he reneged on the action that's totally
different.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
If you said one thing and you went back on it, we
didn't say that, you know what Imean.
But that's a totally differentterminology.
And then we also talking aboutthe bag right, like so, him not
being there, that's like a dailycheck.
And then you already know withVlad, right, you don't get paid
for the first interview.
(14:55):
The first interview is supposedto generate interest and then
you get paid beyond that.
So if you already put that workin and you've been running it
up like that, I can see youbeing in, go, I can see you
going back, I can see you letenough time go by, enough people
forget, and then you go back togetting the money.
(15:17):
But to be called a sellout forthat, that's really a lot of
people misuse words nowadays man, I believe I could be wrong for
this.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I know the guards are probably going to jump on me
for this one.
I think they see it as himbeing a sellout.
They're probably like youshould have stuck to your word.
Your word is your bond.
You say you wouldn't rock withhim no more, so now you're going
back to him.
Nah, it's a sellout.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
That goes to say as far as the argument and what
happened.
Now you say I'm not going tomess with him because he's a
rapist, he's a pedophile thingslike that, ooh, I get it.
But if you're arguing about whoate the last cookie and who
took my candy or whatever,something like ridiculous that
you can go back and rehash andbe like yo, you know what my
(16:02):
fault?
Or yo, I was tripping, I wasbugging, whatever.
I don't see that Yo, but myfault man, no man, yeah my bad.
It's like where would thesellout be if you went back?
It's not going back on you, bro, it's like yo you gotta relax.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I have a question.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
So they're saying Lord Jamar's a sellout for going
back to Vlad, but are wesellouts for watching Vlad?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I'm not a sellout.
I like Vlad.
I mean for me personally.
I'm reloaded and Vlad is one ofthe people who you're going to
get an interview from.
He may not even give youcontent regarding everyday
struggles or whatever, but he'sgoing is one of the people who
you're going to get an interviewfrom.
He may not even give youcontent regarding everyday
struggles or whatever, but he'sgoing to give you something that
we can go back and look at,because he has a specific thing
(16:53):
that he does.
I don't even like the wholehe's a cop thing because it's
like he's not asking you nothing.
Where you can really, if youanswer incorrectly, can really
if you answer incorrectly,that's on you he does ask quite
(17:13):
incriminating questions fromtime to time.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I don't know about calling him the actual police
but with some of them, questionsthat he be asking.
I don't know.
Yeah, some of those questions,some of those questions that he
be asking um, are quite leading,but no, no, people say sellout
(17:39):
right, I want to.
I want to.
I want to know what is thegeneral idea about sellout.
When you say sellout and notsay that you're calling him a
sellout when you use thatterminology, what were the
actions that caused that you got?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
a great point this is a real thing.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I'm explaining to you the difference between being a
sellout and then being a renegaor just somebody that people
disagree with right.
You can't be a sellout untilyou sell out of a market.
Once you sell out of a market,then you have to do different
things to get into a new marketright.
(18:30):
He's been in this podcast spacefor a while now.
So when people say sellout, Idon't at that part, like what
are we actually discussing?
And I just wanted to know likewhat definition do you guys go
by?
Are you going by the textbookterminology of it, or are we
(18:51):
going by the emotionalterminology of it?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
because I think that's what a lot of people are
doing.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
They're going off an emotional situation.
It doesn't have anything to dowith their pockets, okay.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I'm reloaded, that's a fact go ahead and then where
was y'all?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
where was y'all when he got?
Didn't he get into a debate andhe got chewed up, right?
He got into a debate, he gotchewed up, then right.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
He did right, I believe, with that Tyson, yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
So like, why not there?
Why wasn't the?
If we was going to say anything, why not say yo, you've been.
You can't even back up allyou've been talking about.
Are we going to talk about asellout?
Maybe we go that far back andsee what led him into that and
say maybe he sold out of themusic market and it was no
(19:42):
longer profitable and so hebought into the black conscious
market.
If that's the case, he'sdefinitely not a sellout because
he's still dealing in that.
It's a podcast space now.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I see what you're saying.
Hold on my bad, trev.
I see what you're saying,though, in the sense that
emotionally, the people aresaying that he sold out.
One thing about our people andI'm learning over the weekend
too we tend to put people onpedestals where they can't make
no errors, like yo.
You got to be the way we viewyou.
You got to stick that way.
I don't care what it is, butyou represent for us because we
(20:19):
put all our hope into you.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
But the man we forget that people are human.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
You know what I'm saying and.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I feel like, first, we're talking about Lord Jamal
here.
I don't consider nobody frombrand new being a sellout.
Right, these, these, these.
If you look at the group hecomes from, if you look at his,
his cloth that he's cut from,it's no way that you could say
(20:49):
put sellout with him or anyother members of Brand Newbie.
They still travel, they stillget paid.
First of all, I'm going to gosidebar real quick.
Sadat X has a 9 to 5.
Yes, he does.
He still tours on a daily,still goes to Europe and be on
(21:10):
Instagram every morning talkingabout yo.
I got to put in my vacationtime because I'm about to go on
these tours.
You can't tell me these dudesare sellouts.
I shouldn't even go with theirnames because for one to me,
they're true to self.
Now, outside of there's a wholelot of people we can say
(21:32):
sellouts that really took fromthe culture and didn't give
nothing back but some turkeys onThanksgiving and toys on
Christmas.
There's not one block you can goon or go to and say, oh, I'm
supporting, oh, this building isowned by Sean Carter, let's,
(21:53):
you know, let's support thisbrand.
There's not one artist, there'snot one record label that's
fully powered by all blackowners, staff, anything like
that.
And I feel like a lot of thosepeople are sellouts because when
they got to a point it's like,okay, cool, I'm going to do what
(22:17):
everybody else do.
Thanksgiving, come around.
You want turkeys, I'll give youturkeys.
Everybody's copying Nino Brown.
You know what I'm?
saying it's like sellout.
Will Nah, lord Jamal, can't beno sellout.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Nah, I don't see it.
I don't know the.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
BET award was a sellout.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Talk about it Trash the BET award.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
The EBT award.
Oh, no, no, no, okay, so nowyou want to talk about it.
Now that's a sellout, right?
Because Homeboy took that kindof fall.
He took BET, I guess, as far ashe thought he could take it,
then he sold it.
Now that's selling out.
Now, what I understand thingsto turn out to be sometimes is
(23:06):
somebody might say someone is asellout, but that person doesn't
understand a game that's beingplayed sometimes.
And they don't understand thatthey're the one being played,
and the person that they call ina sellout is the person who
took the time to study the game,and now their ideology is no
longer match up, so there's,there's a lot like there's a lot
(23:30):
.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
So it's like we Like there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
So it's like we talk about the music, right, and you
might come in as an artistsaying I want to make meaningful
music, right, you can get to alabel and the label is like well
, that's not what we pump,that's not going to get you no
money, that ain't it.
And you like what word?
(23:54):
Yeah, that ain't it.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
so now you do right.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
So now you start doing what they yo, this is how
you really gonna get to it.
All right, we'll bet.
Now you start doing what theydo, right, what they say do
what's successful.
A lot of other people are goingto be like oh, you used to make
soulful music.
But let me ask you this right,if you guys were supporting that
soulful music, would thatartist have had to go to a major
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?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
label Never, never.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Right.
So then I think it's that part.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
My man.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Yo you look like six pounds lighter.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Ha ha ha looking happy bro.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I'm relieved for now me for now don't give him the
reloading.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
He don't need the reloading.
Don't give him the reloading.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yo, what Sean was saying is so true about the
sellout thing.
All right, as far as we'retalking about the music sellout,
we say the EBT awards was trash.
I'm going to say somethingclear here on NYP podcast, I got
love from my black brothers.
I support what you're doing.
I respect your plight.
But, tyler Perry, I am tired ofyour same narratives, bro, I'm
(25:24):
tired of your work is nasty outhere, bro.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I don't have an issue with Tyler Perry outside of one
thing why all the dark-skinnedbrothers gotta be foul and why
all the boys cool jokes.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well, yo, I tried to yo, he don't like us bro.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
He don't like us and somehow she always fall in love
with a dude.
You're the picture of dudes ina hood.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Not all of us wear bandanas bro, you're the picture
of dudes in a hood.
Not all of us wear bandanas,bro yo nah, but you know when he
did the light.
You know when he did the light.
Skin brothers dirty, though,and oh, and, four little girls
and four little girls, he did,yeah, he did the brothers dirty.
Why tell this story, bro?
Who's paying you?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
to tell this story.
No, let me say this that lastmovie he did that straw.
If y'all didn't see it, that'sa dope movie.
That's a dope movie.
And I get what you're saying,mike, and you're just saying
because I've watched.
Let me tell you real quick mysister made me watch tyler when
he was on at the weekend.
(26:31):
She had it when he had it,right.
But I'm going to say that strawmovie is fire, right.
But the fact of the matter ishe knows how to play on the
vulnerability of black peopleand women.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
And the Christian theme.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Right, of course, of course, a Christian.
I don't even want to, I don'teven want to be scared by saying
anything about Christians, buthe just knows when it comes to
the vulnerability of women,especially black women, he knows
(27:10):
where to go.
Now I'm going to applaud himfor buying that land to start
his own.
That's fire, you know what Imean.
That movie Straw.
If you haven't seen it, I'mjust telling you, fellas, sit
down and watch it and give it anhonest opinion what else has
(27:33):
come from that Tyler Perrystudio?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I'm going to get that joint a shout out yeah, all
that, sisters, and everythingthat divorce court everything
that's for BT.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
BT is all Tyler Perry .
You see, I'm more Spike, I'mmore Spike Lee, I'm more with
Spike Lee.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I'm a Spike Lee I think it's a page from Spike
Lee's book, because remember,when Spike Lee first came out,
spike had his studio in Brooklyn.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
And Spike was using a lot of the same actors and
actresses in his movie.
It was just that those actorsand actresses were a little more
well-known.
They had already had hollywoodcredentials behind them.
You know, I'm saying so.
When you get spike lee, you get.
Spike lee normally takes booksthat was already written and he
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um remakes and does a movie forit.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
He did Closet what?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
do Tom and Perry?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
do this.
Anything like Everything thathe writes is along the same
lines.
It's never nothing different.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
What'd you say?
Trevor, st Kate to the church.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah, kate to the church, Kate to the church folks
.
Of course, that's how Perry'smarket.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, let's be honest , that ain't no hard set of
people to sell things to.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Not hard at all.
Because you got them by thebelief by the Bible yeah, you
got them by fear, fear alone.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I don't want to go to hell, I don't want to not
support anything.
Jesus, you got done by fearalone.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Or he needs like three old lords and hallelujah,
and that's it.
I'm watching that movie.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
When he first started , his plays was basically
performance art and then itwould turn into a whole choir
gospel choir in the middle ofthe play, and that's how he
gathered that audience.
So a lot of his movies camefrom that audience, which helped
him do his first major filmwith Dia, I guess Black Woman's
(29:48):
Diary, or whatever.
I hated that damn movie.
You know a movie with Dia, Iguess Black.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Woman's Diary or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Hated that damn movie .
You know what movie he did?
That was fire.
Though I ain't gonna lie, whyDid I Get Married?
Why Did I Get Married Part 2?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Woo.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
It still was like that those was fire.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I just don't like the fact that Janet Jackson ended
up with the Rock at the end ofthe movie it's all about the
toxicity you know what I likeabout that with the Rock, though
he calls himself Don and yougive it the Rock the fire part
about the Rock in that movie.
Right is, that's the firstmovie that he got to check for
(30:34):
being Dwayne Johnson in.
Like, listen to me, Every moviebefore that it was the Rock,
the Rock, the Rock.
Now, mind you when you the Rock, you got to split that brain
with.
Vince McMahon.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Vince.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
McMahon been running that gambit for years now, bro
he let two people get away withthat, and after that he ain't
let no more people get away withthat, bro.
He let Rowdy Roddy Piper getaway with it and Hulk Hogan, and
after that nobody else getsaway with that.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
You know what, brother?
How dare you take my paycheck?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Yo, I'm trying to laugh too hard yo.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Yeah, I feel it, I feel it.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Y'all gotta watch Straw.
Y'all gotta watch Straw.
Straw is a dope movie.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I ain't gonna hold you no on your word On your word
I'm going to watch it.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Sinners is a good movie too.
I don't know if y'all saw thatyet.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You been saying that.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I ain't get a chance to peep it yet.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Sinners is dope, bro, very dope.
A lot of messages in that movie.
A lot of messages For thosewith esoteric eyes.
Occultism, you catch that, butbeing that we're talking about
messages.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Is it a sellout message in sinners?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Sell out.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Is it a sellout message in sinners?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah selling your soul stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Yeah, it's a lot of messages in sinners.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Let's talk about this trash-ass album, the Carter Six
.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Oh, tell me all about it.
I'm ready to listen.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
You want my proof?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, me too, because I got my own opinion about that
.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Carter III's been trash.
Carter IV's been trash.
Carter V's been trash.
The funeral was trash.
Carter VI is trash.
Like what a way.
He didn't do nothing differentthan he did on the last seven
albums.
He just rambles on the mic abunch of nothing.
People finally woke up andrealized that he wasn't talking
(32:37):
about nothing.
He was just rambling.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I know.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
You know what I think he did.
I think he tried to put a bunchof songs.
First of all, the songs soundlike he found some old songs and
made about four new ones right.
And he was like you know whatI'm trying to get on every genre
(33:02):
on the charts.
That's why you got the Bonorecord.
That's a so-called pop recordand he's just trying to see what
hits.
Because I feel like this I feellike this album for 19 songs,
the first 20 seconds of eachsong is catchy and then it's
(33:23):
like just enough to get a streamand go 19 songs.
Yeah, it's about that, thatit's about 19 songs, but the
intro to each song is like a lotof the intros.
It is catchy, sometimes thebeat and get you, and then it's
like okay, then you go all theway left.
(33:43):
So I feel like he's justputting something out there
because he hasn't been out in awhile and every time he do an
interview he sounds stupid.
So I think the Carter seven Ireally think he should stop
calling it the Carter, cause wewere done with that.
I just think that the next, Ithink this album is just to get
people talking.
(34:03):
So when the next album, come wecan get, it'll be another.
I'm going to say he put 10songs on here and those would be
the songs that he really wantedto let go of.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
They try to hype up.
They try to say that you knowhe was supposed to supposedly
dissing Kendrick on the album,like you're trying to pull some
traction using Kendrick's name.
First and foremost, I'm notbeing no glazer.
Lil Wayne cannot see Drake.
I'm being honest with you.
I mean not Drake glazer.
Lil Wayne cannot see Drake.
I'm being honest with you.
I mean not Drake, kendrick,it's not going to happen.
You will lose the last fourdreads you have in your head
(34:38):
will fall off.
Bro, you cannot out-wrapKendrick.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
It's not that you can't out-wrap, kendrick, you're
on drugs.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You sound like a lawnmower.
You see, on TikTok they say yousound like a lawnmower.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
A drugged up mind is not gonna a doped up drugged up
mind is not gonna be the sobermind.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
At all.
I don't care how creative y'allthink we get when we high and
shit like that.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Who's featured on Wayne's album?
He has any features?
Who's featured on's album?
He has any features?
Who's featured?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
on All the new people .
Big X, the Plug Mano.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
It's no.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Young Money.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
It's nobody from his camp no Nicki, no Drake, none of
that.
It's all new artists, it's allthese new mumblers.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
This would be the perfect time for him to do a
Cash Money song.
No Twist.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Nah no, twist Manny Fresh got a little joint on
there, okay, so where does?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
the majority of the production come from Everywhere.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
It's no in-house, it's all over.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
So what does it like?
What does?
The general vibe sound like.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
That sounds like everything.
I think he literally put a songfor each genre or tried to put
something for each genre to getevery song streamed at the same
time.
There's no.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
That sounds about right Trev there's no
cohesiveness to the album.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
It's all over the place and that's the problem.
But to me that's been his See.
He got by off of hype andmarketing for a very long time
right, he had cash money.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Now he buys out.
Yeah, you had a team behind him.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
He had cash money Now he buys out.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
There's nothing behind him to say let's promote
Wayne.
It is what it is.
I'm not saying his run is done,but that best rapper alive
since the best rapper retired isout the window.
See you later.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
What'd you say, Clint ?
Speaker 4 (36:50):
He was never the best rapper alive since the best
rapper retired, but he's neverhad any cohesiveness.
He just had a strong marketingteam and a label behind him that
was making him look bigger thanwhat he really was, and
everybody fell in love with thequantity of work that he was
doing, not the quality of workhe just cranked out a lot of
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people.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Let's run it back, because I like where you're
going with this, so I kind ofwant to run it back.
I like the first album.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I like the singles.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
No, no, no, no, no.
What was it?
400 Degrees?
What was his album?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
No, no, no, no, we're talking about back.
No, no, no, no, no, we talkingabout Wayne.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
So the block is hot right Block is hot, yeah.
Because, we talking about Wayne, so we got to go we can't start
at the corner.
We talking about Wayne with thecorner Block is hot.
Yeah, we going back, becauseClip just said something.
That's very, very the marketingscheme and I think that plays a
(37:51):
role.
But I also think that earlyWayne was not to be trifled with
, like early Wayne was.
Hold on, hear me out, hear meout.
The Black is Hot single is crazy.
It is a depiction of down southlife that we was hearing up
here that we had no idea aboutand it was very descriptive.
(38:12):
So, yeah, I, I was, I was, Iwas jacking that right.
And so now we have the youngrepresentation of black life
down south that we're not, we'renot used to, that just right
off the back.
Aha and all that.
How I went crazy, for Aha isnot lyrically tight, but it's
what he was saying.
(38:33):
That was relatable, but stilldifferent.
And I'm looking at Wayne in thesame light.
Right, so now here comes themarketing part.
We street them up more, wethrow flags on them, you know.
Here comes the extra marketingpart.
(38:54):
Right, okay, we get you in this, in this lane.
Okay, we push you in this laneand then, okay, now we're gonna
put you in this Harlem lane.
So it's like all thesedifferent lanes that they was
putting Wayne in along with theconsistency of the work, right.
And then after that, when hewent to college and he came back
(39:14):
and he had that whole newwriting team and was just eating
track after track after track,it was like he became the
forefather of these new kids.
But it was just a blueprint.
It was the other artists thatthey put behind him, the Young
Thugger, because you know, youngThugger used to write for Boy 2
(39:35):
.
Young Thugger pen is crazy.
I don't care what nobody say.
Thugger could write.
Thugger could write Twist.
Got style too.
What's the Harlem dude?
You know the other writer,mills.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Mills Jay.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Mills.
There's a lot of work that wentinto the Lil Wayne brand and I
see what you're saying aboutthat?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
How about Gilly?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Mm-hmm, gilly.
Well, you know they're staticabout that, right?
Because they claim Gillingain't do nothing.
But why was he over there?
Then you paid him, or you didpay him, but why was he over
there?
If he ain't writing nothing?
Why would he say he did that ifhe ain't do it?
And Gillian was the 80 caratkid?
(40:24):
Come on B, come on man.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
I love being a gangster.
Major Figures was crazy.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
You think so?
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I hate it, major Figures, really.
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
How do you hate it?
I don't like being a gangster.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yo, I didn't really like I don't want to say hate it
I didn't really like MajorFigures.
What?
First of all.
I like Am Together.
I didn't like them.
I didn't like them together.
What happened with MajorFigures to me?
Beanie Seagull.
Beanie Seagull got signed thesame time.
(41:06):
Major Figures came out withthat Beanie Seagull.
Oh, yeah, that song I hate it.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Yeah, that song.
I'm in of money.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
now, when that song came out, Beanie Seagull got
signed to Rockefeller.
That's when Beanie Seagullfreestyled over a band from TV.
Right yeah, in Philly, yeah Yo,I have yet to hear.
When I heard Beanie Seag single, there was no more listening to
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Ab Lava, Major Figures, Ducksand Spades, the chick that
looked like a cat.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
I didn't want to hear Wow.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
I like it.
Before we get into this, let mesalute to my Philly people.
I got home right here, trev myguy, hold on Trev, my guy.
But I don't agree with Trev,right?
I'm going to just keep it overthere.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
He pointed at you too .
Trev my guy, trev my guy Don'tget it twisted that guy down
there.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
He's pointing at that guy.
Trev is my guy.
I don't stand with him on thisas a native New Yorker.
I'm sorry, I was listening toDutch and Spade.
Yeah, I was listening to KidLava Bianca.
I was listening to MajorFigures, the weakest part of the
album was Yen S Us.
Everything else was on Spade.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
When Beanie Tingle came out, that was Philly.
To me there was no.
You couldn't get me to listento nobody else.
You wasn't listening to.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Dutch and Spade In they day.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
He's a dead man walking and you're like damn why
I'm in this costume.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
And no, no, 80 carry kid Like that was, that was the
DVD.
I was like, damn, why I'm inthis costume.
And no, 80-carat kid Like thatwas the DVD era.
Like that was, those was theguys that put Philadelphia
street rap on the map.
And then you know what's socrazy After that, it was like
there could only be one.
That's what was so ill aboutMajor Figures, because after
(43:19):
that you never really seen likePhilly people line up Like you
had the Rock, you had State Prop.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
But they like just a bunch of dudes that they threw
together.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Like they not even from the same sides of
Philadelphia.
They don't even know each other.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
But I think for me, I'm speaking for me, right right
.
When I heard Beans, because Iremember when GSS was on BET, I
remember the jersey.
I remember Gilly with the chain, I remember all of that.
I remember theilly with theGilly chain, I remember all of
(43:59):
that.
I remember the DVD era.
But when I got, when I gotBeanie Sigou the freestyling, I
was like there was no morelistening.
I didn't listen to anybody elseat the time.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
You remember?
Speaker 3 (44:13):
this rap.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I was listening.
I was listening to see whenRemember when that joint came
out with that Rockefeller.
Do you remember thatRockefeller teaser that was out
that had Diamonds in the Roughand Beanie Siegel?
(44:35):
Who else it had?
I think Christian.
I think Rel was on that.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Rel was on it.
Rel was on that, rel was on it.
Diamonds in the Rough Christianthe Rangers, beanie, siegel,
the.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Rangers I still got that TV Bravo.
You still got that teaser Bravo.
You still got that.
You got a copy.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
You got that teaser and I got the I got that teaser
and I got the what's it called.
Do you remember when Hard KnockLife Volume 2, I mean Volume 2
came out right?
Speaker 3 (45:14):
It had a double CD.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
It had a double CD and it was an extra.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
CD.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
When it had the Beanie Seagull Freestyle.
It had the things people playedwhen they was sending Mad
Subliminals to Mace Bravo.
Copy.
I still got the originaloriginal copy when it was on
Freeze Records.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yo people don't remember that.
Had the gun on the CD, I stillgot it.
Yo people don't remember that,bro Classic.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
I remember that.
Let me ask you this you got allthe clue mixtapes.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
You got heavy components.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
I need the heavy components bro.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Let me ask you this though Since Billy the Kid, how
many albums did your Bob hit I?
Speaker 1 (46:10):
bought all of them.
I bought the one, the King ofPhilly joint.
I remember when he did someBenny Siegel to that beat the
357 beat, I mean the Mac, hewent off on them.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
I remember them being in the same studio together
freestyling and Gilly getting upout of there.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
I remember that During that time I was going to
Philly, so I was out there youknow Greek Fest and all of that
in Philly.
I was going out there, you knowGreek Fest and all of that.
I was going out there.
Philly rap to me was like youknow what I'm saying.
I was into Philly rap.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I still like Philly rap I still like.
Philly rap.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Me personally.
I think Nelly portrayssomething that I think he's too
animated.
I don't want to say he portraysanything that he's not.
I think he's too animated.
I don't want to say he portraysanything that he's not.
I think he's too animated.
I think Wallow is more Rillathan Gilly.
I think Wallow is more.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
I think they both is dangerous, because Gilly was a
stick up kid and he was ahospital.
I think that's just who Gillyis.
Gilly is just an animated dude.
He's a very talented expressiveindividual.
I think that's just who he is,gilly's just an animated dude.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
He's a very talented expressive individual.
He raps very well, he playsbasketball, he podcasts, he
knows how to entertain people.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
I think he's just that kind of an image and I give
him that.
As far as the music goes.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
I just think he's overly animated when it comes to
it when they came to philly rapab lava was my god come to find
out he was ghostwriting for drdre for a while.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
A lot of people don't know that, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Wow, shout out to that baby having yo jay be
having them ghostwriters on thelive he's getting paid.
Nice too.
You get a nice check.
Yo, you get a nice check, man I, you get a nice check man I
remember, Ab Lago, when he wentto me.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
he seemed like when he left Philly and went over to
Viet Whips.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Matter of fact.
You know what my man, Roscoe PColchang.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
Oh, he was a problem, he was a problem Roscoe P.
Colchang.
He was a problem and there's aproblem and I'm so mad that they
didn't do it with him.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
I don't know how much time he got, but I remember
that video him Cliff's Ab Lavathat mesh that they had.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Had a thing called Family right.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Yo and Roscoe P Coltrane killed that bird.
He did the best.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
That was during the week.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
I don't know what he did to go to jail but free
Roscoe P Coltrane Matter of facthim and Booty T were my two
favorite artists.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
You know what's crazy Like?
Philadelphia, when itintroduced itself to hip-hop was
really latin.
You know what it was like.
This is how we live out here inisrael.
Okay, that's what's up.
I respect it, right?
Thank you for telling me thestory.
And then it did another hip-hopthing.
Right?
(49:12):
This is philadelphia we talkingabout.
It did another hip-hop thing.
It produced Cassidy, who becamean ill battle rapper of the
time.
Yo yo you, I get that, but I'mCassidy was he's to get busy
(49:34):
that's but that's what I'mtalking about.
I'm talking about the spark whenhe started, but that's what I'm
talking about though.
I'm talking about the sparkwhen he started.
That's exactly what I'm talkingabout.
I'm not talking about presenttime.
I'm talking about the switchover from Philadelphia being
real hard to Philadelphiashowing that we could do real
hip-hop.
I'm talking about that part.
You know what I'm sayingBecause it went from the raw
(49:54):
expression.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Me personally, right.
I never looked at Philadelphiaas not doing know what I'm
saying because but I went fromthe raw expression real hip-hop.
Me personally, right.
I never looked at philadelphiais not doing real hip-hop.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
No, no, no, I, I didn't mean that, I mean not, I
mean the mainstream from again,not from a realistic standpoint,
but from a bar you downstandpoint, like from a battle
rap standpoint, from aentertaining standpoint.
That's what I'm talking aboutwith cash, you know what I'm
saying.
And then with um'm talkingabout with Cass, you know what
I'm saying.
And then with Sicario, on theother side, you know what I'm
(50:22):
saying.
They ain't doing anything, theyain't doing nothing.
And that little back and forthbetween the two of them when
they was going battling over thetelephone for supremacy, I mean
that's very hip-hop, you knowwhat I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
That's very hip-hop Hungry bars to hit you on the
phone.
Yeah, hungry bars.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
I think that respect for that was the push, because
after Wow coming out ofPhiladelphia, it was only one
artist at a time.
After Major Figures, it was oneartist at a time until State
Property.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Right, I think we had Cicero.
Cicero was dope.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
You're talking about Shawnee.
I think if they would havefocused on, if they would have
put a little more focus onKeeDee Crack, keedee Crack would
look like.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
KeeDee, keedee, keedee, keedee, keedee, that's
my Jeezy.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
I know, but I think he could have been that, because
when he did that Neo joint,that's a classic.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
That PD Crack for President I call it.
At first I thought that was oneof the meanest album titles I
had ever heard in my life PDCrack for President.
Then he had the red, white andblue posters in the street with
the stars on it, with the PDCrack in red.
(51:46):
I said hey, and then now fornothing.
Nah, that's my Jeezy.
I got to open up for him inDelaware a couple of years ago
on New Year's.
You know what I'm saying.
It was a really nice turnout,really nice event.
He showed a lot of love.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
He showed a lot of love.
He got that Crack Fouse mixtapething, that he did, that
compilation Yo, I fell in love.
I was like, oh, he still got.
And then when he was on theSmite DVDs, going crazy he could
have been, because he hadeverything.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
He was like to me, the LL Of Rockefeller I think
the only problem with Petey atthat time Was the rocket fuel.
Yeah, too much rocket fuel.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
He don't fly, no more .
He don't fly, no more, he, hedon't fly, no more.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
He don't fly.
He said he broke that Neo jointoff the Wiggles.
He said he broke that Neo jointoff the what.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
He don't do that no more, like even that night.
Now he travel with his son.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
So even that night his son don't let him drink.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
His son be on him, bro, his son care about his dad,
bro, like real.
So he got good.
So he must be a good father.
You got a good son.
You must be a good fatherbecause he really looks after
his dad, very right, but yeah,not for nothing, because he, he
did a.
His last project that he did hedid with my man, man DJ Sincere
, 8th Wonder.
You know what?
Speaker 3 (53:20):
I'm saying DJ.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Sincere, that's my man.
He was spitting my mixtape forme and all that.
That's the last project thatthey did.
That's how I even got to openup for him.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
You got to bring your music up here, God.
You got to bring your music up.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
PD's son used to do was engineering a lot of his
mixtapes and all that.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Keeping the family.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
I don't know if he taught him how to do that, but
his son I don't know if he's hisoldest son, but one of his sons
was literally his engineer.
He'll do a song, his son willclean it up for him.
That's how he said.
Yo, I got cheap labor here.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
Being that we're speaking about families, what's
the deal with these Davisbrothers and the?
Speaker 2 (54:03):
here this, right here that, right there Yo.
This was the ultimate fumblingof the bag bro, you know what?
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Give him one of these .
Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah, because yo, as a boxer, right first, you have
to invest a lot of money intoyourself, right?
So you got to pay sparringpartners to come out.
So let's say you're trainingfor, let's say, two months for a
fight, you gotta pay multiplesparring partners, you gotta fly
(54:43):
them out, you gotta take careof them while they're out there
Exactly Right, you have topromote the fight and you also
have to sell tickets.
You gotta do all of this.
You know what I'm saying.
Now, mind you, this fight is inhis hometown, this fight is in
Norfolk, virginia.
You know he got his brothers onthe card.
(55:03):
He got his two other brotherson the card.
This was supposed to be areally, really big event Like
this was supposed to bring eyesto his brothers.
Abdullah Mason was also on thecard.
It was a really nice,up-and-coming card.
Now, yeah, all right, was on thecard, he been, he been.
(55:25):
They got like this new fightlead.
That's like on the side whereyou might go get like two, three
rounds, and you know what Imean, just keep your skills
sharp, and all that.
He's been doing that, right.
So when you look at it, youknow you done put up all this
money.
You got all the little clubsthat's in the area.
They ready to celebrate withyou.
They done spent extra money.
(55:47):
They got extra alcohol.
They done did extra promoting.
They got extra food.
This is a lot of extra moneybeing spent.
The the arena was sold out,10,000 seats, 10,000 people was
coming to see you fight.
10,000 people in your hometown,big eyes for your brothers.
(56:08):
It's time to put everybody onthe stage.
He's fighting Edwin De LosSantos.
Edwin De Los Santos' last fightwas against Shakur Stevenson,
right, and you know.
Shakur beat him like he does onpoints, did his little feet
thing, got away from him.
You know how he do it, right.
So Edwin, looking for a realfight now.
You know he's been laid off 18months.
(56:30):
He ain't had a fight in 18months.
So he's hungry, he hungry.
He come in prepared for thisfight.
Keyshawn comes in four poundsand a half overweight.
Now, the thing about that isyou're supposed to come in
weighing, weighing around thesame weight, and then you know
you get to rehydrate it fairly.
(56:51):
You know what I mean.
So if you come in four poundsoverweight and then rehydrate
after that, you're looking atputting on an extra 10 pounds.
You're going to be an extra 10pounds heavier than this man.
So you go back to therenegotiate and yo, you know, we
give you this for the extrapoundage.
De Los Santos camp says, no,right, because boxing is about
(57:14):
small battles.
Do we win the weigh-in?
You know, yeah, we win theweigh-in.
You know, yeah, we win theweigh-in.
Um, how do we win the money?
How do we win this battle,right?
So delisanto's camp says nah,we not fighting.
Guess who gets paid to guesswho don't get paid.
So delisanto's can't get theirwhole purse and keishonwn Davis
(57:36):
camp gets nothing.
So all that money that you putout, all that money that your
city put out right, the moneythat your promoter put out, all
this money you just blew yournext opportunity because of how
you handled it, not to mentionafter the fact, his big brother,
kelvin, he get beat.
See, look, everybody thoughtthe fix was in.
(57:59):
When you know, when Keyshawnwas fighting, we all thought the
fix was in.
We ain't putting no money on.
No Nia, albright Right, nia endup beating life out of Kelvin.
Then they jumped him in thelocker room as brothers.
They jumped him in the lockerroom, brothers.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
He jumped him in the locker room.
He jumped 9-year Albright.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
After 9-year Albright beat Kelvin Davis, kelvin Davis
and Keyshawn Davis go into hislocker room and they jump him
right.
And then you know what Keyshawndid he grabs his 2-year-old son
in the middle of the mayhem andputs him on his chest.
So now you done started thisbeef and this man can't even get
(58:42):
back at you because you gotyour son on your chest, damn.
So I need no brown ass.
Yeah, so the second time hecomes up today.
So it's like where do you gofrom here, right, because
nobody's going to put no moneyup behind you after that debacle
.
That was your big, bigopportunity man.
(59:03):
It's a big opportunity and it'sdown the drain and that could
be it for his career.
Like the trajectory that it wasgoing on, it's definitely going
to plummet.
He's definitely going to losevalue as a fighter and that's
just so sad to see somebodydoing so well and then get in
(59:26):
their own way, get a little toobig headed, believe they a
little bit better than whatthey're actually doing.
You know what I'm saying, andhe's young, so sometimes we need
situations like this to runinto, to learn humility and get
us out of our hubris and that'swhat I'm praying that this
situation is for him.
I hope he comes all the way outhis hubris and just learns a
(59:51):
little humility, respect thesport more.
Young man man.
Speaker 3 (59:56):
Respect the sport more.
Speaker 2 (59:59):
You know, that's all I got to say about that one.
But Saturday for New York, wegot Richardson Hitchens fighting
George Cambosos.
You know what I'm saying.
So I think I'm going to backRichardson.
I think I'm going to backRichardson, you know what I mean
.
Go Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Go Brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Center Time for the city.
No, man, this going to be inthe garden man, this in the
Mecca, this in the Mecca man.
So he's got to put on the show.
You know he's got the door forBrooklyn.
No disrespect to nobody aroundthe world, man, but you can't
let somebody from outside, youcan't let Ozzy come into our
city and take the belt out ofour city.
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
He's going to get jumped, don't get dogged.
Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
You better hold it, yo, bro.
Listen, if the Davis brothersis jumping people, you
understand you can't let himleave America with the belt man.
I'm with you on this one.
Richie, brooklyn, stand up, man.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
With that being said, man Hold on hold on.
Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
I be trying to understand that this Friday we
are getting a Slick Rick album.
Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
That's all I'm going to say Okay, While we're going
to say that my man sent me someSupreme Clientele too.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Next week.
Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
Supreme.
Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Clientele and some more people you like that last
Ghostface album that came out.
Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
You like the last one .
Yes, I love it, I like it, Ilike it, I like it, I think that
was way beneath Ghostfacecaliber.
No, I love Ghostface.
Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
I know I didn't say I don't love Ghostface.
I love Ghostface, but that wasbeneath his caliber.
The one before was better.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
That one wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Yeah, that one wasn't it Before we get out of here.
You've got to say Rest in Peaceto Sly Stone.
Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Yeah, rest in Peace.
Most definitely my bad SlyStone.
Rest in Peace is Sly Stone 82years.
Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
He blessed us with some of the most greatest music
we've ever heard.
Go get all that music.
Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Go, get all of that.
You're going to hear yourfavorite favorite artist samples
from his music.
Rest in all of that.
You're going to hear yourfavorite, favorite artist.
Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
samples from his music it's my people.
Do not listen to these fakeactivists.
Do not get your ass beat out onthe street Saturday at these
anti-ice protests.
Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Don't let them march you up for the role.
I need to know what happenedwith my son.
Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
My son.
He had everybody, he wantedeverybody to join the fight.
Yeah, go fight, go get involved.
I hate my son.
Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
From what side?
What side is he preaching for?
Is he preaching for the peoplewho step first here?
Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
First of all, New York ain't never been like LA.
La has always been an on-sitestate.
You have to remember the WattsRiots.
La has always been about thataction.
Whenever it goes down, they arereally about that You're
(01:02:51):
keeping it a buck.
When it was on-site it was likeWatts Riots is on-site.
Did you see how they tookHomeboy out his own truck, beat
him, had him on Oprah, LA, hadhim on Oprah.
Don't go over there thinkingthat you're going to really
(01:03:13):
participate If you're not fromLA.
Stay your ass out of LA duringthis time.
Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Shout out to all those activists over there.
Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Shout out to all the yellows, the browns, the purples
, the blues, everybody but thewhites.
Shout out to all you over there.
Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
You know what?
And with that said, we are out.
Thank you for watching mypodcast.
I appreciate you people.
Peace and love.
We out.
peace, world peace.
Bro, how you doing, it's yourbrother, mikey fever.
We got my man shawny in thebuilding.
It's the nyp tuesday hip-hopshow, news entertainment man.
I was just bobbing up some old,I ain't going to lie, that's my
favorite artist?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
yo he, not my Fisher Price artist, right, like you
know, my starter kid artist.
But as far as favorite artistsgo, as far as laying a game plan
down and following it step forstep, you know, as far as big
(00:57):
ambition is concerned, as far asputting money in other people's
pockets is concerned, as far asstarting it from nothing,
starting over, twice starting,over twice.
That's a fact.
Money in other people's pocketsis concerned as far as starting
it from nothing, starting overtwice.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Starting over twice, that's a fact, right, that's
tough yo, he started over twotimes.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
He came back from the Jam, master Jay.
Debacle Rest in peace.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, rest in peace, jam, master Jay you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
And then he went away for a little while before he
went to do the movies and so onand so forth.
He came back, dropped um animaland it gives you the motivation
(01:44):
.
That's nice, macy, I like that.
That.
It gives you the motivation.
That's nice, macy, I like that.
It gives you the motivation,like you know what I'm saying,
like he motivated me to get upand make it happen in that
moment in my life, like you knowwhat I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So big shout out to 50 man shout out to the whole
unit man, there's one moreperson they don't speak about.
There's two people they don'tspeak about as much like I don't
see New York.
There's two people they don'tspeak about as much I don't see
New York really celebrate them.
Rest in peace to Chinks andrest in peace to Stack Bundles.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, but you know what that is.
I think it's the time when theycame.
You know what I'm saying.
You came along at a time whenall this was in and all this was
out.
They almost was the start ofall this dying on the reg.
They was almost the start ofthat.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, unfortunately they both had promising futures.
I used to be around them,around Chinks mostly.
Shout out to my brother TenCity.
Shout out to the Coat BoysBrock Droop Cheese, chinks
mostly.
And shout out to my brother tedcity um, shout out to the coat
boys, brock droop cheese.
Right, you know all the red bigshots, red mcfly, you know what
I'm saying?
Yeah, definitely yo watchingchinks grind man, he was yo.
(02:59):
That album, his mixtapes alonewere killing them.
But that album, that personworking with jf people just
don't take no for an answer.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You know what?
I'm saying and I'm not thebiggest.
I'm heavy on lyrics.
I'm super heavy on lyrics.
I'm not the biggest fan ofneither one of them individuals
musically, but you from the townand I always respect ground,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
And even to level it out.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I feel like that about Chris Rock too.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Just to level it out, I don't think Chris Rock funny,
chappelle and George CarlinGeorge Carlin was my dude.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, now George Carlin.
George Carlin educated.
Comedy is a beautiful thing.
It kind of like is the essenceof comedy like a lot of people
forget why we laugh.
You know, a lot of people havebeen trained to laugh for
escapism and forget that welaughed at comedy because of how
(03:58):
true it was, like it resonatedwith all of us and that feeling
we found funny, you know what Imean.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So yeah, that's why I think it's a difference between
people who tell jokes andactual comedians.
It's a difference.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Most definitely Trev.
What up, bro?
What's poppin' Trev.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
What's good Sean, how you doing Fixed a mustache man,
I'm a heightie as soon as I canget the stash right, I'll be a
height, you know okay now yougot me a trip to the barber yo
yeah, I know I'll be on mywolverine type.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm a caveman, bro.
I don't mind I'm a viking, I'm aviking, I don't mind it you're
on your brawny man chopper yeahmaybe I need to start selling
(04:45):
paper towels.
I need a new hustle around hereanyway, man.
Maybe I need to start sellingsome paper towels.
Man, Maybe I've been doing thewrong thing all this time.
What's?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
going on, Trav.
What are you doing?
What's up?
How you feeling, man?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I'm good, I'm good, you know, I maintain it.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Y'all look like you got no rest man.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Say what, yo, you got no rest, no rest.
I got a four-month-old babyyeah.
I take naps, I take naps andthen, before you know it, you
got to get up, run around, go towork.
So that's just life right now.
Yo.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Fever.
You got the applause soundtrackover there.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Give him a round of applause.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
He making things happen yo.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
It don't make a difference.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Now you got it Terrible right.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
It's cheap, it's cheap, it's cheap, it's cheap,
it's cheap.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Work.
Some consult up and don't work.
It was one clap.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
You got it you got it , you got it.
Hit it like a thousand timesfor you, man.
Yo congratulations, trev,because you yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
You get this for him.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Okay, I'm reloaded.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, word, you reloaded Trev because you are an
example of what it takes to bea father in these times, man.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Thank you, I appreciate it, but I do have the
eye patches that I've beenusing a lot the.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
TikTok shop joint the gold joints.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Nah, nah, nah.
Before TikTok was selling allthat stuff, I was buying it.
That's not new.
And plus, when I go to my mom'shouse my mom's got the one that
stay in the freezer.
So when I go to her house I putthe joints on my eyes and it
takes the swelling down a littlebit.
So I got a matter of fact, Imight add that to the wish list.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
So with baby Taj?
You feed him every three hours.
Yeah, I feed him every threehours.
Yeah, wake him up.
I remember those days, yo, withmy daughter, Three hours.
Yeah, I miss those days.
So let's get it popping, myfellas.
What's going on with this?
Lord Jamar selling out?
I have been hearing this.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yo, you know what I'm going to be honest with you.
You know, I tried somethingdifferent this week, right?
I kind of like stayed out ofeverything because I really
wanted to hear y'all opinionsfirst.
So I blacked everybody else out.
I heard nothing, I don't got myown opinion or nothing.
(07:24):
I'm trying to see how welly'all can sway me one way or the
next man.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
So I'll be ready for some questions.
Let me start it off Now.
Okay, see, I'm always going to.
I'm going to play Devil'sAdvocate, I like it.
So we're talking about LordJamal right Now.
Here's the thing Lord Jamal waslike a featured guest on Vlad
TV right?
Yep, I don't know where theywent and had their little
(07:53):
argument, and it was on the outs, right.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
But Mr Wilson.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
What up Jeezy?
What up Upset stomach y'all.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Forgive me.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Diarrhea Pepto-Bismol .
Speaker 4 (08:15):
You need that pepper?
All right, yo, I need thatpepper right now, fam, I ain't
eating that pork God.
It wasn't pork, god, I hadCaribbean food, god.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Oh, shoot what you had oh yeah, All them spices.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I had some.
I had some.
Yo them spices tear you up.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I sell my four trap.
Go ahead, keep cooking.
Let me come to you Pause.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Pause, pause, pause.
I had some.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I had some.
I had some.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Escovitch.
I had some Escovitch, listen.
Listen, I was in the bathroomlooking like a homie from Dumb
and Dumber just now.
So you know.
(09:07):
But if I calm down, if I mutemyself, just know it's on, I
want to run I want to run g soyo.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
We always talk about lord jamal, so I know trap was
going in.
So go ahead, let it go Trev.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Continue on, bro, continue Trev.
I feel like this.
I know Lord Jamal.
First of all, lord Jamal isvery opinionated nowadays, right
?
I feel like him and Vlad are agreat match Because, for one,
(09:46):
lord Jamal ain't gonna he's notgonna hold back.
You ask him anything.
He ain't one of those dudesthat you can ask something and
he's gonna put himself on a,let's say, on a chopping block.
I don't know where it went outon the house, I don't know where
he.
I think people saying that hewas selling because he went to
black, but I don't know whereelse to go.
(10:06):
If you want to tell the story,you know what I'm saying.
I don't see the sellout part.
I'm not going to just sayeverybody's a sellout because
they go to black, because me,I'm going to play devil's
advocate.
We all need a decent whiteperson in this industry that's
(10:27):
going to get us through the nextdoor.
I'm just saying the bag, noteven the bag, just to get you to
the next level.
It may not even be the bag, butwe all need one good white
person in our crew to just dothings that we can't do.
You know, what I'm saying and Ithink Lord Jamar and Vlad is
(10:47):
that I don't see the selloutpart.
Because I don't see Lord Jamaras a sellout, I see him as a
truth teller.
First of all, he's a legend.
He's from Brandon Lugia.
You got to respect that.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You a flat earther too, you a flat earther.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
What shape the earth is.
No, I'm just asking you.
I'm just asking you, you, aflat earther with him.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
If I ever get somebody to go to space and see
if it's flat around for us, I'lllet y'all know when I come back
.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You can make that trip Go ahead, Cliff.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
George Martin sold out when he said the Earth was
flat.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Nick.
Hey Cliff remind us how longago was that?
Was that a while ago?
I think that was a while agotoo.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Well, that was like two years ago.
He started it, he kept going onwith it and he kept trying to
make facts about it with hishypothetical theories and I'm
like, all right, that's cool,fam, but none of like the way
the world works and the way thataccess works.
You know how if you want anairplane, you can your sound,
(12:00):
your sound your sound guys.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
It's a little my sound muffled.
Yeah, it's fading out a littlebit.
Go ahead now All right, myfault.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
When you're in an airplane, if you look outside,
you can see the curve.
Yeah, and, like in Horizon, youcan see the curve.
I don't know what planet he'sbeen on.
Your eyes can see the curve.
It's completely different whenyou're high up in the airplane
(12:28):
than when you're on ground level.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
That's a fact.
You can't fake that yo.
You can't fake the curvature.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I don't think he's a sellout.
As far as going on Vlad, I'mnot a sellout at all.
I think he's a.
I think he reneged on hisoriginal statement saying he
wouldn't go back on Vlad, right,but I don't think he's a
sellout, because what did heactually do that sold us out,
right?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I don't think that he's a sellout for them sakes,
right?
Is that the argument?
Is the argument?
Is he a sellout because he keep?
Going flat, that's not the nah,I don't he's not a sellout for
that, but I also think he's onthe art of dialogue too.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
He's on that joint too and he be talking matter of
fact, when he was saying aboutwhat Michelle Obama, who he was
talking about- oh no, notMichelle Kam Obama, who he was
talking about.
No, not Michelle Kamala.
He was talking about Kamala.
He was on the Art of Dialogue.
They were going off.
Yeah, I still didn't know thathe had an outspread with Vlad.
But to me it's just like if yougot a beef or let's say it's
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not a beef I don't want to usethat word but you had a
disagreement with your man,y'all ain't talking.
A month, a year, two go by, andthen within that year or so,
you think about, like yo, wedidn't speak, for what?
Oh, because the pizza was cold.
That was the argument.
You know what I'm saying.
It'd be something simple likethat, where you think about it
and be like yo, my bad yo, youknow what I'm saying.
(14:00):
So I, you know what I'm saying.
He's definitely not a sellout,but I just feel like when they
get together, we're going to geta lot of good content.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
They run up numbers.
I believe Lord Jamore has apodcast right.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
The Godcat.
That's the name of it I haven'tseen him promoted in a while,
did he?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
have a Rod Digger that was it Cool.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
If that's the argument there, I don't believe
that's enough to call a man asellout.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, if he reneged on the action that's totally
different.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
If you said one thing and you went back on it, we
didn't say that, you know what Imean.
But that's a totally differentterminology.
And then we also talking aboutthe bag right, like so, him not
being there, that's like a dailycheck.
And then you already know withVlad, right, you don't get paid
for the first interview.
(14:55):
The first interview is supposedto generate interest and then
you get paid beyond that.
So if you already put that workin and you've been running it
up like that, I can see youbeing in, go, I can see you
going back, I can see you letenough time go by, enough people
forget, and then you go back togetting the money.
(15:17):
But to be called a sellout forthat, that's really a lot of
people misuse words nowadays man, I believe I could be wrong for
this.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I know the guards are probably going to jump on me
for this one.
I think they see it as himbeing a sellout.
They're probably like youshould have stuck to your word.
Your word is your bond.
You say you wouldn't rock withhim no more, so now you're going
back to him.
Nah, it's a sellout.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
That goes to say as far as the argument and what
happened.
Now you say I'm not going tomess with him because he's a
rapist, he's a pedophile thingslike that, ooh, I get it.
But if you're arguing about whoate the last cookie and who
took my candy or whatever,something like ridiculous that
you can go back and rehash andbe like yo, you know what my
(16:02):
fault?
Or yo, I was tripping, I wasbugging, whatever.
I don't see that Yo, but myfault man, no man, yeah my bad.
It's like where would thesellout be if you went back?
It's not going back on you, bro, it's like yo you gotta relax.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I have a question.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
So they're saying Lord Jamar's a sellout for going
back to Vlad, but are wesellouts for watching Vlad?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I'm not a sellout.
I like Vlad.
I mean for me personally.
I'm reloaded and Vlad is one ofthe people who you're going to
get an interview from.
He may not even give youcontent regarding everyday
struggles or whatever, but he'sgoing is one of the people who
you're going to get an interviewfrom.
He may not even give youcontent regarding everyday
struggles or whatever, but he'sgoing to give you something that
we can go back and look at,because he has a specific thing
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that he does.
I don't even like the wholehe's a cop thing because it's
like he's not asking you nothing.
Where you can really, if youanswer incorrectly, can really
if you answer incorrectly,that's on you he does ask quite
(17:13):
incriminating questions fromtime to time.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I don't know about calling him the actual police
but with some of them, questionsthat he be asking.
I don't know.
Yeah, some of those questions,some of those questions that he
be asking um, are quite leading,but no, no, people say sellout
(17:39):
right, I want to.
I want to.
I want to know what is thegeneral idea about sellout.
When you say sellout and notsay that you're calling him a
sellout when you use thatterminology, what were the
actions that caused that you got?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
a great point this is a real thing.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I'm explaining to you the difference between being a
sellout and then being a renegaor just somebody that people
disagree with right.
You can't be a sellout untilyou sell out of a market.
Once you sell out of a market,then you have to do different
things to get into a new marketright.
(18:30):
He's been in this podcast spacefor a while now.
So when people say sellout, Idon't at that part, like what
are we actually discussing?
And I just wanted to know likewhat definition do you guys go
by?
Are you going by the textbookterminology of it, or are we
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going by the emotionalterminology of it?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
because I think that's what a lot of people are
doing.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
They're going off an emotional situation.
It doesn't have anything to dowith their pockets, okay.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I'm reloaded, that's a fact go ahead and then where
was y'all?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
where was y'all when he got?
Didn't he get into a debate andhe got chewed up, right?
He got into a debate, he gotchewed up, then right.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
He did right, I believe, with that Tyson, yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
So like, why not there?
Why wasn't the?
If we was going to say anything, why not say yo, you've been.
You can't even back up allyou've been talking about.
Are we going to talk about asellout?
Maybe we go that far back andsee what led him into that and
say maybe he sold out of themusic market and it was no
(19:42):
longer profitable and so hebought into the black conscious
market.
If that's the case, he'sdefinitely not a sellout because
he's still dealing in that.
It's a podcast space now.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I see what you're saying.
Hold on my bad, trev.
I see what you're saying,though, in the sense that
emotionally, the people aresaying that he sold out.
One thing about our people andI'm learning over the weekend
too we tend to put people onpedestals where they can't make
no errors, like yo.
You got to be the way we viewyou.
You got to stick that way.
I don't care what it is, butyou represent for us because we
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put all our hope into you.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
But the man we forget that people are human.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
You know what I'm saying and.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I feel like, first, we're talking about Lord Jamal
here.
I don't consider nobody frombrand new being a sellout.
Right, these, these, these.
If you look at the group hecomes from, if you look at his,
his cloth that he's cut from,it's no way that you could say
(20:49):
put sellout with him or anyother members of Brand Newbie.
They still travel, they stillget paid.
First of all, I'm going to gosidebar real quick.
Sadat X has a 9 to 5.
Yes, he does.
He still tours on a daily,still goes to Europe and be on
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Instagram every morning talkingabout yo.
I got to put in my vacationtime because I'm about to go on
these tours.
You can't tell me these dudesare sellouts.
I shouldn't even go with theirnames because for one to me,
they're true to self.
Now, outside of there's a wholelot of people we can say
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sellouts that really took fromthe culture and didn't give
nothing back but some turkeys onThanksgiving and toys on
Christmas.
There's not one block you can goon or go to and say, oh, I'm
supporting, oh, this building isowned by Sean Carter, let's,
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you know, let's support thisbrand.
There's not one artist, there'snot one record label that's
fully powered by all blackowners, staff, anything like
that.
And I feel like a lot of thosepeople are sellouts because when
they got to a point it's like,okay, cool, I'm going to do what
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everybody else do.
Thanksgiving, come around.
You want turkeys, I'll give youturkeys.
Everybody's copying Nino Brown.
You know what I'm?
saying it's like sellout.
Will Nah, lord Jamal, can't beno sellout.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Nah, I don't see it.
I don't know the.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
BET award was a sellout.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Talk about it Trash the BET award.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
The EBT award.
Oh, no, no, no, okay, so nowyou want to talk about it.
Now that's a sellout, right?
Because Homeboy took that kindof fall.
He took BET, I guess, as far ashe thought he could take it,
then he sold it.
Now that's selling out.
Now, what I understand thingsto turn out to be sometimes is
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somebody might say someone is asellout, but that person doesn't
understand a game that's beingplayed sometimes.
And they don't understand thatthey're the one being played,
and the person that they call ina sellout is the person who
took the time to study the game,and now their ideology is no
longer match up, so there's,there's a lot like there's a lot
(23:30):
.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
So it's like we Like there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
So it's like we talk about the music, right, and you
might come in as an artistsaying I want to make meaningful
music, right, you can get to alabel and the label is like well
, that's not what we pump,that's not going to get you no
money, that ain't it.
And you like what word?
(23:54):
Yeah, that ain't it.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
so now you do right.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
So now you start doing what they yo, this is how
you really gonna get to it.
All right, we'll bet.
Now you start doing what theydo, right, what they say do
what's successful.
A lot of other people are goingto be like oh, you used to make
soulful music.
But let me ask you this right,if you guys were supporting that
soulful music, would thatartist have had to go to a major
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?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
label Never, never.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Right.
So then I think it's that part.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
My man.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Yo you look like six pounds lighter.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Ha ha ha looking happy bro.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I'm relieved for now me for now don't give him the
reloading.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
He don't need the reloading.
Don't give him the reloading.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yo, what Sean was saying is so true about the
sellout thing.
All right, as far as we'retalking about the music sellout,
we say the EBT awards was trash.
I'm going to say somethingclear here on NYP podcast, I got
love from my black brothers.
I support what you're doing.
I respect your plight.
But, tyler Perry, I am tired ofyour same narratives, bro, I'm
(25:24):
tired of your work is nasty outhere, bro.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I don't have an issue with Tyler Perry outside of one
thing why all the dark-skinnedbrothers gotta be foul and why
all the boys cool jokes.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well, yo, I tried to yo, he don't like us bro.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
He don't like us and somehow she always fall in love
with a dude.
You're the picture of dudes ina hood.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Not all of us wear bandanas bro, you're the picture
of dudes in a hood.
Not all of us wear bandanas,bro yo nah, but you know when he
did the light.
You know when he did the light.
Skin brothers dirty, though,and oh, and, four little girls
and four little girls, he did,yeah, he did the brothers dirty.
Why tell this story, bro?
Who's paying you?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
to tell this story.
No, let me say this that lastmovie he did that straw.
If y'all didn't see it, that'sa dope movie.
That's a dope movie.
And I get what you're saying,mike, and you're just saying
because I've watched.
Let me tell you real quick mysister made me watch tyler when
he was on at the weekend.
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She had it when he had it,right.
But I'm going to say that strawmovie is fire, right.
But the fact of the matter ishe knows how to play on the
vulnerability of black peopleand women.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
And the Christian theme.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Right, of course, of course, a Christian.
I don't even want to, I don'teven want to be scared by saying
anything about Christians, buthe just knows when it comes to
the vulnerability of women,especially black women, he knows
(27:10):
where to go.
Now I'm going to applaud himfor buying that land to start
his own.
That's fire, you know what Imean.
That movie Straw.
If you haven't seen it, I'mjust telling you, fellas, sit
down and watch it and give it anhonest opinion what else has
(27:33):
come from that Tyler Perrystudio?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I'm going to get that joint a shout out yeah, all
that, sisters, and everythingthat divorce court everything
that's for BT.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
BT is all Tyler Perry .
You see, I'm more Spike, I'mmore Spike Lee, I'm more with
Spike Lee.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I'm a Spike Lee I think it's a page from Spike
Lee's book, because remember,when Spike Lee first came out,
spike had his studio in Brooklyn.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
And Spike was using a lot of the same actors and
actresses in his movie.
It was just that those actorsand actresses were a little more
well-known.
They had already had hollywoodcredentials behind them.
You know, I'm saying so.
When you get spike lee, you get.
Spike lee normally takes booksthat was already written and he
(28:27):
um remakes and does a movie forit.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
He did Closet what?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
do Tom and Perry?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
do this.
Anything like Everything thathe writes is along the same
lines.
It's never nothing different.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
What'd you say?
Trevor, st Kate to the church.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah, kate to the church, Kate to the church folks
.
Of course, that's how Perry'smarket.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, let's be honest , that ain't no hard set of
people to sell things to.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Not hard at all.
Because you got them by thebelief by the Bible yeah, you
got them by fear, fear alone.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I don't want to go to hell, I don't want to not
support anything.
Jesus, you got done by fearalone.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Or he needs like three old lords and hallelujah,
and that's it.
I'm watching that movie.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
When he first started , his plays was basically
performance art and then itwould turn into a whole choir
gospel choir in the middle ofthe play, and that's how he
gathered that audience.
So a lot of his movies camefrom that audience, which helped
him do his first major filmwith Dia, I guess Black Woman's
(29:48):
Diary, or whatever.
I hated that damn movie.
You know a movie with Dia, Iguess Black.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Woman's Diary or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Hated that damn movie .
You know what movie he did?
That was fire.
Though I ain't gonna lie, whyDid I Get Married?
Why Did I Get Married Part 2?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Woo.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
It still was like that those was fire.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I just don't like the fact that Janet Jackson ended
up with the Rock at the end ofthe movie it's all about the
toxicity you know what I likeabout that with the Rock, though
he calls himself Don and yougive it the Rock the fire part
about the Rock in that movie.
Right is, that's the firstmovie that he got to check for
(30:34):
being Dwayne Johnson in.
Like, listen to me, Every moviebefore that it was the Rock,
the Rock, the Rock.
Now, mind you when you the Rock, you got to split that brain
with.
Vince McMahon.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Vince.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
McMahon been running that gambit for years now, bro
he let two people get away withthat, and after that he ain't
let no more people get away withthat, bro.
He let Rowdy Roddy Piper getaway with it and Hulk Hogan, and
after that nobody else getsaway with that.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
You know what, brother?
How dare you take my paycheck?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Yo, I'm trying to laugh too hard yo.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Yeah, I feel it, I feel it.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Y'all gotta watch Straw.
Y'all gotta watch Straw.
Straw is a dope movie.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I ain't gonna hold you no on your word On your word
I'm going to watch it.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Sinners is a good movie too.
I don't know if y'all saw thatyet.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You been saying that.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I ain't get a chance to peep it yet.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Sinners is dope, bro, very dope.
A lot of messages in that movie.
A lot of messages For thosewith esoteric eyes.
Occultism, you catch that, butbeing that we're talking about
messages.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Is it a sellout message in sinners?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Sell out.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Is it a sellout message in sinners?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah selling your soul stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Yeah, it's a lot of messages in sinners.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Let's talk about this trash-ass album, the Carter Six
.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Oh, tell me all about it.
I'm ready to listen.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
You want my proof?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, me too, because I got my own opinion about that
.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Carter III's been trash.
Carter IV's been trash.
Carter V's been trash.
The funeral was trash.
Carter VI is trash.
Like what a way.
He didn't do nothing differentthan he did on the last seven
albums.
He just rambles on the mic abunch of nothing.
People finally woke up andrealized that he wasn't talking
(32:37):
about nothing.
He was just rambling.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I know.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
You know what I think he did.
I think he tried to put a bunchof songs.
First of all, the songs soundlike he found some old songs and
made about four new ones right.
And he was like you know whatI'm trying to get on every genre
(33:02):
on the charts.
That's why you got the Bonorecord.
That's a so-called pop recordand he's just trying to see what
hits.
Because I feel like this I feellike this album for 19 songs,
the first 20 seconds of eachsong is catchy and then it's
(33:23):
like just enough to get a streamand go 19 songs.
Yeah, it's about that, thatit's about 19 songs, but the
intro to each song is like a lotof the intros.
It is catchy, sometimes thebeat and get you, and then it's
like okay, then you go all theway left.
(33:43):
So I feel like he's justputting something out there
because he hasn't been out in awhile and every time he do an
interview he sounds stupid.
So I think the Carter seven Ireally think he should stop
calling it the Carter, cause wewere done with that.
I just think that the next, Ithink this album is just to get
people talking.
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So when the next album, come wecan get, it'll be another.
I'm going to say he put 10songs on here and those would be
the songs that he really wantedto let go of.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
They try to hype up.
They try to say that you knowhe was supposed to supposedly
dissing Kendrick on the album,like you're trying to pull some
traction using Kendrick's name.
First and foremost, I'm notbeing no glazer.
Lil Wayne cannot see Drake.
I'm being honest with you.
I mean not Drake glazer.
Lil Wayne cannot see Drake.
I'm being honest with you.
I mean not Drake, kendrick,it's not going to happen.
You will lose the last fourdreads you have in your head
(34:38):
will fall off.
Bro, you cannot out-wrapKendrick.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
It's not that you can't out-wrap, kendrick, you're
on drugs.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You sound like a lawnmower.
You see, on TikTok they say yousound like a lawnmower.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
A drugged up mind is not gonna a doped up drugged up
mind is not gonna be the sobermind.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
At all.
I don't care how creative y'allthink we get when we high and
shit like that.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Who's featured on Wayne's album?
He has any features?
Who's featured on's album?
He has any features?
Who's featured?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
on All the new people .
Big X, the Plug Mano.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
It's no.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Young Money.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
It's nobody from his camp no Nicki, no Drake, none of
that.
It's all new artists, it's allthese new mumblers.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
This would be the perfect time for him to do a
Cash Money song.
No Twist.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Nah no, twist Manny Fresh got a little joint on
there, okay, so where does?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
the majority of the production come from Everywhere.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
It's no in-house, it's all over.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
So what does it like?
What does?
The general vibe sound like.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
That sounds like everything.
I think he literally put a songfor each genre or tried to put
something for each genre to getevery song streamed at the same
time.
There's no.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
That sounds about right Trev there's no
cohesiveness to the album.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
It's all over the place and that's the problem.
But to me that's been his See.
He got by off of hype andmarketing for a very long time
right, he had cash money.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Now he buys out.
Yeah, you had a team behind him.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
He had cash money Now he buys out.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
There's nothing behind him to say let's promote
Wayne.
It is what it is.
I'm not saying his run is done,but that best rapper alive
since the best rapper retired isout the window.
See you later.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
What'd you say, Clint ?
Speaker 4 (36:50):
He was never the best rapper alive since the best
rapper retired, but he's neverhad any cohesiveness.
He just had a strong marketingteam and a label behind him that
was making him look bigger thanwhat he really was, and
everybody fell in love with thequantity of work that he was
doing, not the quality of workhe just cranked out a lot of
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people.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Let's run it back, because I like where you're
going with this, so I kind ofwant to run it back.
I like the first album.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I like the singles.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
No, no, no, no, no.
What was it?
400 Degrees?
What was his album?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
No, no, no, no, we're talking about back.
No, no, no, no, no, we talkingabout Wayne.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
So the block is hot right Block is hot, yeah.
Because, we talking about Wayne, so we got to go we can't start
at the corner.
We talking about Wayne with thecorner Block is hot.
Yeah, we going back, becauseClip just said something.
That's very, very the marketingscheme and I think that plays a
(37:51):
role.
But I also think that earlyWayne was not to be trifled with
, like early Wayne was.
Hold on, hear me out, hear meout.
The Black is Hot single is crazy.
It is a depiction of down southlife that we was hearing up
here that we had no idea aboutand it was very descriptive.
(38:12):
So, yeah, I, I was, I was, Iwas jacking that right.
And so now we have the youngrepresentation of black life
down south that we're not, we'renot used to, that just right
off the back.
Aha and all that.
How I went crazy, for Aha isnot lyrically tight, but it's
what he was saying.
(38:33):
That was relatable, but stilldifferent.
And I'm looking at Wayne in thesame light.
Right, so now here comes themarketing part.
We street them up more, wethrow flags on them, you know.
Here comes the extra marketingpart.
(38:54):
Right, okay, we get you in this, in this lane.
Okay, we push you in this laneand then, okay, now we're gonna
put you in this Harlem lane.
So it's like all thesedifferent lanes that they was
putting Wayne in along with theconsistency of the work, right.
And then after that, when hewent to college and he came back
(39:14):
and he had that whole newwriting team and was just eating
track after track after track,it was like he became the
forefather of these new kids.
But it was just a blueprint.
It was the other artists thatthey put behind him, the Young
Thugger, because you know, youngThugger used to write for Boy 2
(39:35):
.
Young Thugger pen is crazy.
I don't care what nobody say.
Thugger could write.
Thugger could write Twist.
Got style too.
What's the Harlem dude?
You know the other writer,mills.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Mills Jay.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Mills.
There's a lot of work that wentinto the Lil Wayne brand and I
see what you're saying aboutthat?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
How about Gilly?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Mm-hmm, gilly.
Well, you know they're staticabout that, right?
Because they claim Gillingain't do nothing.
But why was he over there?
Then you paid him, or you didpay him, but why was he over
there?
If he ain't writing nothing?
Why would he say he did that ifhe ain't do it?
And Gillian was the 80 caratkid?
(40:24):
Come on B, come on man.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
I love being a gangster.
Major Figures was crazy.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
You think so?
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I hate it, major Figures, really.
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
How do you hate it?
I don't like being a gangster.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yo, I didn't really like I don't want to say hate it
I didn't really like MajorFigures.
What?
First of all.
I like Am Together.
I didn't like them.
I didn't like them together.
What happened with MajorFigures to me?
Beanie Seagull.
Beanie Seagull got signed thesame time.
(41:06):
Major Figures came out withthat Beanie Seagull.
Oh, yeah, that song I hate it.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Yeah, that song.
I'm in of money.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
now, when that song came out, Beanie Seagull got
signed to Rockefeller.
That's when Beanie Seagullfreestyled over a band from TV.
Right yeah, in Philly, yeah Yo,I have yet to hear.
When I heard Beanie Seag single, there was no more listening to
(41:40):
Ab Lava, Major Figures, Ducksand Spades, the chick that
looked like a cat.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
I didn't want to hear Wow.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
I like it.
Before we get into this, let mesalute to my Philly people.
I got home right here, trev myguy, hold on Trev, my guy.
But I don't agree with Trev,right?
I'm going to just keep it overthere.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
He pointed at you too .
Trev my guy, trev my guy Don'tget it twisted that guy down
there.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
He's pointing at that guy.
Trev is my guy.
I don't stand with him on thisas a native New Yorker.
I'm sorry, I was listening toDutch and Spade.
Yeah, I was listening to KidLava Bianca.
I was listening to MajorFigures, the weakest part of the
album was Yen S Us.
Everything else was on Spade.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
When Beanie Tingle came out, that was Philly.
To me there was no.
You couldn't get me to listento nobody else.
You wasn't listening to.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Dutch and Spade In they day.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
He's a dead man walking and you're like damn why
I'm in this costume.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
And no, no, 80 carry kid Like that was, that was the
DVD.
I was like, damn, why I'm inthis costume.
And no, 80-carat kid Like thatwas the DVD era.
Like that was, those was theguys that put Philadelphia
street rap on the map.
And then you know what's socrazy After that, it was like
there could only be one.
That's what was so ill aboutMajor Figures, because after
(43:19):
that you never really seen likePhilly people line up Like you
had the Rock, you had State Prop.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
But they like just a bunch of dudes that they threw
together.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Like they not even from the same sides of
Philadelphia.
They don't even know each other.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
But I think for me, I'm speaking for me, right right
.
When I heard Beans, because Iremember when GSS was on BET, I
remember the jersey.
I remember Gilly with the chain, I remember all of that.
I remember theilly with theGilly chain, I remember all of
(43:59):
that.
I remember the DVD era.
But when I got, when I gotBeanie Sigou the freestyling, I
was like there was no morelistening.
I didn't listen to anybody elseat the time.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
You remember?
Speaker 3 (44:13):
this rap.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I was listening.
I was listening to see whenRemember when that joint came
out with that Rockefeller.
Do you remember thatRockefeller teaser that was out
that had Diamonds in the Roughand Beanie Siegel?
(44:35):
Who else it had?
I think Christian.
I think Rel was on that.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Rel was on it.
Rel was on that, rel was on it.
Diamonds in the Rough Christianthe Rangers, beanie, siegel,
the.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Rangers I still got that TV Bravo.
You still got that teaser Bravo.
You still got that.
You got a copy.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
You got that teaser and I got the I got that teaser
and I got the what's it called.
Do you remember when Hard KnockLife Volume 2, I mean Volume 2
came out right?
Speaker 3 (45:14):
It had a double CD.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
It had a double CD and it was an extra.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
CD.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
When it had the Beanie Seagull Freestyle.
It had the things people playedwhen they was sending Mad
Subliminals to Mace Bravo.
Copy.
I still got the originaloriginal copy when it was on
Freeze Records.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yo people don't remember that.
Had the gun on the CD, I stillgot it.
Yo people don't remember that,bro Classic.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
I remember that.
Let me ask you this you got allthe clue mixtapes.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
You got heavy components.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
I need the heavy components bro.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Let me ask you this though Since Billy the Kid, how
many albums did your Bob hit I?
Speaker 1 (46:10):
bought all of them.
I bought the one, the King ofPhilly joint.
I remember when he did someBenny Siegel to that beat the
357 beat, I mean the Mac, hewent off on them.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
I remember them being in the same studio together
freestyling and Gilly getting upout of there.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
I remember that During that time I was going to
Philly, so I was out there youknow Greek Fest and all of that
in Philly.
I was going out there, you knowGreek Fest and all of that.
I was going out there.
Philly rap to me was like youknow what I'm saying.
I was into Philly rap.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I still like Philly rap I still like.
Philly rap.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Me personally.
I think Nelly portrayssomething that I think he's too
animated.
I don't want to say he portraysanything that he's not.
I think he's too animated.
I don't want to say he portraysanything that he's not.
I think he's too animated.
I think Wallow is more Rillathan Gilly.
I think Wallow is more.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
I think they both is dangerous, because Gilly was a
stick up kid and he was ahospital.
I think that's just who Gillyis.
Gilly is just an animated dude.
He's a very talented expressiveindividual.
I think that's just who he is,gilly's just an animated dude.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
He's a very talented expressive individual.
He raps very well, he playsbasketball, he podcasts, he
knows how to entertain people.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
I think he's just that kind of an image and I give
him that.
As far as the music goes.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
I just think he's overly animated when it comes to
it when they came to philly rapab lava was my god come to find
out he was ghostwriting for drdre for a while.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
A lot of people don't know that, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Wow, shout out to that baby having yo jay be
having them ghostwriters on thelive he's getting paid.
Nice too.
You get a nice check.
Yo, you get a nice check, man I, you get a nice check man I
remember, Ab Lago, when he wentto me.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
he seemed like when he left Philly and went over to
Viet Whips.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Matter of fact.
You know what my man, Roscoe PColchang.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
Oh, he was a problem, he was a problem Roscoe P.
Colchang.
He was a problem and there's aproblem and I'm so mad that they
didn't do it with him.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
I don't know how much time he got, but I remember
that video him Cliff's Ab Lavathat mesh that they had.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Had a thing called Family right.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Yo and Roscoe P Coltrane killed that bird.
He did the best.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
That was during the week.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
I don't know what he did to go to jail but free
Roscoe P Coltrane Matter of facthim and Booty T were my two
favorite artists.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
You know what's crazy Like?
Philadelphia, when itintroduced itself to hip-hop was
really latin.
You know what it was like.
This is how we live out here inisrael.
Okay, that's what's up.
I respect it, right?
Thank you for telling me thestory.
And then it did another hip-hopthing.
Right?
(49:12):
This is philadelphia we talkingabout.
It did another hip-hop thing.
It produced Cassidy, who becamean ill battle rapper of the
time.
Yo yo you, I get that, but I'mCassidy was he's to get busy
(49:34):
that's but that's what I'mtalking about.
I'm talking about the spark whenhe started, but that's what I'm
talking about though.
I'm talking about the sparkwhen he started.
That's exactly what I'm talkingabout.
I'm not talking about presenttime.
I'm talking about the switchover from Philadelphia being
real hard to Philadelphiashowing that we could do real
hip-hop.
I'm talking about that part.
You know what I'm sayingBecause it went from the raw
(49:54):
expression.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Me personally, right.
I never looked at Philadelphiaas not doing know what I'm
saying because but I went fromthe raw expression real hip-hop.
Me personally, right.
I never looked at philadelphiais not doing real hip-hop.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
No, no, no, I, I didn't mean that, I mean not, I
mean the mainstream from again,not from a realistic standpoint,
but from a bar you downstandpoint, like from a battle
rap standpoint, from aentertaining standpoint.
That's what I'm talking aboutwith cash, you know what I'm
saying.
And then with um'm talkingabout with Cass, you know what
I'm saying.
And then with Sicario, on theother side, you know what I'm
(50:22):
saying.
They ain't doing anything, theyain't doing nothing.
And that little back and forthbetween the two of them when
they was going battling over thetelephone for supremacy, I mean
that's very hip-hop, you knowwhat I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
That's very hip-hop Hungry bars to hit you on the
phone.
Yeah, hungry bars.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
I think that respect for that was the push, because
after Wow coming out ofPhiladelphia, it was only one
artist at a time.
After Major Figures, it was oneartist at a time until State
Property.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Right, I think we had Cicero.
Cicero was dope.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
You're talking about Shawnee.
I think if they would havefocused on, if they would have
put a little more focus onKeeDee Crack, keedee Crack would
look like.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
KeeDee, keedee, keedee, keedee, keedee, that's
my Jeezy.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
I know, but I think he could have been that, because
when he did that Neo joint,that's a classic.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
That PD Crack for President I call it.
At first I thought that was oneof the meanest album titles I
had ever heard in my life PDCrack for President.
Then he had the red, white andblue posters in the street with
the stars on it, with the PDCrack in red.
(51:46):
I said hey, and then now fornothing.
Nah, that's my Jeezy.
I got to open up for him inDelaware a couple of years ago
on New Year's.
You know what I'm saying.
It was a really nice turnout,really nice event.
He showed a lot of love.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
He showed a lot of love.
He got that Crack Fouse mixtapething, that he did, that
compilation Yo, I fell in love.
I was like, oh, he still got.
And then when he was on theSmite DVDs, going crazy he could
have been, because he hadeverything.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
He was like to me, the LL Of Rockefeller I think
the only problem with Petey atthat time Was the rocket fuel.
Yeah, too much rocket fuel.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
He don't fly, no more .
He don't fly, no more, he, hedon't fly, no more.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
He don't fly.
He said he broke that Neo jointoff the Wiggles.
He said he broke that Neo jointoff the what.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
He don't do that no more, like even that night.
Now he travel with his son.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
So even that night his son don't let him drink.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
His son be on him, bro, his son care about his dad,
bro, like real.
So he got good.
So he must be a good father.
You got a good son.
You must be a good fatherbecause he really looks after
his dad, very right, but yeah,not for nothing, because he, he
did a.
His last project that he did hedid with my man, man DJ Sincere
, 8th Wonder.
You know what?
Speaker 3 (53:20):
I'm saying DJ.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Sincere, that's my man.
He was spitting my mixtape forme and all that.
That's the last project thatthey did.
That's how I even got to openup for him.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
You got to bring your music up here, God.
You got to bring your music up.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
PD's son used to do was engineering a lot of his
mixtapes and all that.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Keeping the family.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
I don't know if he taught him how to do that, but
his son I don't know if he's hisoldest son, but one of his sons
was literally his engineer.
He'll do a song, his son willclean it up for him.
That's how he said.
Yo, I got cheap labor here.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
Being that we're speaking about families, what's
the deal with these Davisbrothers and the?
Speaker 2 (54:03):
here this, right here that, right there Yo.
This was the ultimate fumblingof the bag bro, you know what?
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Give him one of these .
Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah, because yo, as a boxer, right first, you have
to invest a lot of money intoyourself, right?
So you got to pay sparringpartners to come out.
So let's say you're trainingfor, let's say, two months for a
fight, you gotta pay multiplesparring partners, you gotta fly
(54:43):
them out, you gotta take careof them while they're out there
Exactly Right, you have topromote the fight and you also
have to sell tickets.
You gotta do all of this.
You know what I'm saying.
Now, mind you, this fight is inhis hometown, this fight is in
Norfolk, virginia.
You know he got his brothers onthe card.
(55:03):
He got his two other brotherson the card.
This was supposed to be areally, really big event Like
this was supposed to bring eyesto his brothers.
Abdullah Mason was also on thecard.
It was a really nice,up-and-coming card.
Now, yeah, all right, was on thecard, he been, he been.
(55:25):
They got like this new fightlead.
That's like on the side whereyou might go get like two, three
rounds, and you know what Imean, just keep your skills
sharp, and all that.
He's been doing that, right.
So when you look at it, youknow you done put up all this
money.
You got all the little clubsthat's in the area.
They ready to celebrate withyou.
They done spent extra money.
(55:47):
They got extra alcohol.
They done did extra promoting.
They got extra food.
This is a lot of extra moneybeing spent.
The the arena was sold out,10,000 seats, 10,000 people was
coming to see you fight.
10,000 people in your hometown,big eyes for your brothers.
(56:08):
It's time to put everybody onthe stage.
He's fighting Edwin De LosSantos.
Edwin De Los Santos' last fightwas against Shakur Stevenson,
right, and you know.
Shakur beat him like he does onpoints, did his little feet
thing, got away from him.
You know how he do it, right.
So Edwin, looking for a realfight now.
You know he's been laid off 18months.
(56:30):
He ain't had a fight in 18months.
So he's hungry, he hungry.
He come in prepared for thisfight.
Keyshawn comes in four poundsand a half overweight.
Now, the thing about that isyou're supposed to come in
weighing, weighing around thesame weight, and then you know
you get to rehydrate it fairly.
(56:51):
You know what I mean.
So if you come in four poundsoverweight and then rehydrate
after that, you're looking atputting on an extra 10 pounds.
You're going to be an extra 10pounds heavier than this man.
So you go back to therenegotiate and yo, you know, we
give you this for the extrapoundage.
De Los Santos camp says, no,right, because boxing is about
(57:14):
small battles.
Do we win the weigh-in?
You know, yeah, we win theweigh-in.
You know, yeah, we win theweigh-in.
Um, how do we win the money?
How do we win this battle,right?
So delisanto's camp says nah,we not fighting.
Guess who gets paid to guesswho don't get paid.
So delisanto's can't get theirwhole purse and keishonwn Davis
(57:36):
camp gets nothing.
So all that money that you putout, all that money that your
city put out right, the moneythat your promoter put out, all
this money you just blew yournext opportunity because of how
you handled it, not to mentionafter the fact, his big brother,
kelvin, he get beat.
See, look, everybody thoughtthe fix was in.
(57:59):
When you know, when Keyshawnwas fighting, we all thought the
fix was in.
We ain't putting no money on.
No Nia, albright Right, nia endup beating life out of Kelvin.
Then they jumped him in thelocker room as brothers.
They jumped him in the lockerroom, brothers.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
He jumped him in the locker room.
He jumped 9-year Albright.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
After 9-year Albright beat Kelvin Davis, kelvin Davis
and Keyshawn Davis go into hislocker room and they jump him
right.
And then you know what Keyshawndid he grabs his 2-year-old son
in the middle of the mayhem andputs him on his chest.
So now you done started thisbeef and this man can't even get
(58:42):
back at you because you gotyour son on your chest, damn.
So I need no brown ass.
Yeah, so the second time hecomes up today.
So it's like where do you gofrom here, right, because
nobody's going to put no moneyup behind you after that debacle
.
That was your big, bigopportunity man.
(59:03):
It's a big opportunity and it'sdown the drain and that could
be it for his career.
Like the trajectory that it wasgoing on, it's definitely going
to plummet.
He's definitely going to losevalue as a fighter and that's
just so sad to see somebodydoing so well and then get in
(59:26):
their own way, get a little toobig headed, believe they a
little bit better than whatthey're actually doing.
You know what I'm saying, andhe's young, so sometimes we need
situations like this to runinto, to learn humility and get
us out of our hubris and that'swhat I'm praying that this
situation is for him.
I hope he comes all the way outhis hubris and just learns a
(59:51):
little humility, respect thesport more.
Young man man.
Speaker 3 (59:56):
Respect the sport more.
Speaker 2 (59:59):
You know, that's all I got to say about that one.
But Saturday for New York, wegot Richardson Hitchens fighting
George Cambosos.
You know what I'm saying.
So I think I'm going to backRichardson.
I think I'm going to backRichardson, you know what I mean
.
Go Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Go Brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Center Time for the city.
No, man, this going to be inthe garden man, this in the
Mecca, this in the Mecca man.
So he's got to put on the show.
You know he's got the door forBrooklyn.
No disrespect to nobody aroundthe world, man, but you can't
let somebody from outside, youcan't let Ozzy come into our
city and take the belt out ofour city.
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
He's going to get jumped, don't get dogged.
Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
You better hold it, yo, bro.
Listen, if the Davis brothersis jumping people, you
understand you can't let himleave America with the belt man.
I'm with you on this one.
Richie, brooklyn, stand up, man.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
With that being said, man Hold on hold on.
Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
I be trying to understand that this Friday we
are getting a Slick Rick album.
Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
That's all I'm going to say Okay, While we're going
to say that my man sent me someSupreme Clientele too.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Next week.
Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
Supreme.
Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Clientele and some more people you like that last
Ghostface album that came out.
Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
You like the last one .
Yes, I love it, I like it, Ilike it, I like it, I think that
was way beneath Ghostfacecaliber.
No, I love Ghostface.
Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
I know I didn't say I don't love Ghostface.
I love Ghostface, but that wasbeneath his caliber.
The one before was better.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
That one wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Yeah, that one wasn't it Before we get out of here.
You've got to say Rest in Peaceto Sly Stone.
Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Yeah, rest in Peace.
Most definitely my bad SlyStone.
Rest in Peace is Sly Stone 82years.
Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
He blessed us with some of the most greatest music
we've ever heard.
Go get all that music.
Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Go, get all of that.
You're going to hear yourfavorite favorite artist samples
from his music.
Rest in all of that.
You're going to hear yourfavorite, favorite artist.
Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
samples from his music it's my people.
Do not listen to these fakeactivists.
Do not get your ass beat out onthe street Saturday at these
anti-ice protests.
Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Don't let them march you up for the role.
I need to know what happenedwith my son.
Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
My son.
He had everybody, he wantedeverybody to join the fight.
Yeah, go fight, go get involved.
I hate my son.
Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
From what side?
What side is he preaching for?
Is he preaching for the peoplewho step first here?
Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
First of all, New York ain't never been like LA.
La has always been an on-sitestate.
You have to remember the WattsRiots.
La has always been about thataction.
Whenever it goes down, they arereally about that You're
(01:02:51):
keeping it a buck.
When it was on-site it was likeWatts Riots is on-site.
Did you see how they tookHomeboy out his own truck, beat
him, had him on Oprah, LA, hadhim on Oprah.
Don't go over there thinkingthat you're going to really
(01:03:13):
participate If you're not fromLA.
Stay your ass out of LA duringthis time.
Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Shout out to all those activists over there.
Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Shout out to all the yellows, the browns, the purples
, the blues, everybody but thewhites.
Shout out to all you over there.
Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
You know what?
And with that said, we are out.
Thank you for watching mypodcast.
I appreciate you people.
Peace and love.
We out.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Ridiculous History
History is beautiful, brutal and, often, ridiculous. Join Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown as they dive into some of the weirdest stories from across the span of human civilization in Ridiculous History, a podcast by iHeartRadio.