Malcolm X: The Untold Legacy of a Movement Builder

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Speaker 2 (00:11):
all right, what's going?

Speaker 1 (00:12):
on.
What's going on.
All right, what's going on?
Ladies and gentlemen, thank youfor coming out.
This is ron brown, lmt, andthis is new yorkers perspective
or ny Talk Show.
I forgot my whole spiel, mywhole thing.
You know I always say thepeople's fitness professional.

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Y'all already know who I am thepeople's fitness professional.
I got the God, mel Chesedek,shabazz Allah, in the building
with us this evening at the Godhour, on the God day.
Right, wisdom power borns God,right.
So we're on a God day, so we'regoing to build with the God.

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We're going to talk about theGod's history, a brief history,
and then we're going to go alsointo talking about Malcolm X,
kareem Muhammad and also EricMuhammad.
So let's get, let's get rockand roll.
Malcolm X, kareem Muhammad andalso Eric Muhammad.
So let's get rock and roll.
Peace, almighty Peace, almightyPrez.
Peace, rodney.
Peace to everybody in the chat,peace to everybody watching.
I really appreciate y'all,rasan Allah.

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Peace to Allah's 5%.
Peace to the gods.
Peace to the earth.
Peace to the nation of thenation of Islam.
Peace to the Moors.
Shalom to the earth.
Peace to the nation of Islam.
Peace to the Moors.
Shalom to the Hebrew Israelitesand everybody, so forth and so
on.
Hotep and all of that, let's gointo it.
Peace almighty.
Shabazz Melchizedek.
Shabazz Allah, how you be.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
I'm fine, brother, everything is good.
You want me to introduce myselfto your audience.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yes, Well, you're already worldwide.
So you know, let's go throughit.
Let's go through it how youfeel.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Well, I be Mel Chesedek, Supreme Shabazz Allah.
Okay, the universal high priestof the nation of Islam on earth
and in the universe.
I'm a devout follower of myspiritual father, the most
honorable Elijah Muhammad.
Okay, word for word, right andexact.

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I don't add to it, I don't takeaway, just like he said Devout
follower of the most teaching ofthe most honorable Elijah
Muhammad, and I'm not interestedin following no other teachings
but his teachings, because hewas taught face-to-face by
Almighty God Allah, who came inthe person of Master WD Farad
Muhammad.
And when you're taughtface-to-face by Almighty God

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Allah, who came in the person ofMaster WD Farad Muhammad, you
don't need no teachings fromnobody else.
Just stay focused on what youreceive from him and what he
shared with him, and you will besuccessful in all your
undertakings.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
That's peace, God.
So let's start from thebeginning.
Let's start from where were youborn?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
South Carolina, columbia, south Carolina.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
South Carolina.
Okay, so from South Carolina.
What was your upbringing likein South Carolina?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well, south Carolina didn't stay that long because my
mother and then we came to NewYork.
We first came to New York.
we lived up on 135th Street and7th Avenue, then we moved down
to 116th Street and then Fifth,Avenue and then from there we

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moved to the Bronx I mean, yeah,to the Bronx, up on Washington
Avenue and Third Avenue.
And then from the Bronx we cameto Brooklyn and was in the
Kingsborough Projects up onRalph Avenue and Pacific Street
and from there I moved over toPatchen Amule, patchen Amule and

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Madison and Patchen and fromthere I got married and
everything and I went and moved.
From there I went to FortGreene, fort Greene projects.
So that was a lot of moving.
Now, when you landed, movedfrom there I went to Fort Greene
.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Fort Greene Projects.
Okay, so that was a lot ofmoving.
Now, when you landed and youwere, I would say you stayed
right Fort Greene Projects.
How long were you in FortGreene Projects?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Oh, I stayed in Fort Greene Projects up until I got
arrested while I was down therebecause I was in a drug game.
So you know, you always hadthose.
The agents then was Shelly Dand Vivian Ross.
They were undercover agents,okay, and they were going around
setting up drug pushes.
They were spending big money,you know, to wean you in, like

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they've got it going on, and youknow what I'm saying.
You're out there making themoney so you don't screen test
everybody like you should.
Well, anyway, I got busted.
And as I got busted then I wentto Raymond Street for a while,
for about six, seven, eightmonths.
Then from there I got shippedto Sing Sing, which was the

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reception center, and then fromSing Sing I got shipped to Green
Haven State Prison.
Okay, and that's when I met atouch base with a brother,
walter Walter 5X, who is BilalShabazz Allah Mahmood Ramza.
He was a Muslim already, underthe teachings of the Most
Honorable Elijah Muhammad, andhe was in the prison yard.

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Walter 5X, bilal ShabazzAllahahmoud Ramza, is the same
individual.
Now he's in the prison yardwith a table set up, teaching
the black man is God and thewhite man is the devil, I mean

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he was getting busy.
This is the reason why I waspassing by his table with me and
some other brothers, and Iheard him say that the black man
is God and the white man is thedevil.
And you see, all themcorrectional officers up there.
They're up there to destroy usand so forth, but they're not
going to be able to do nothingto us as long as we bear witness

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that Almighty god allah came topurchase a massive wd for rod
muhammad and his last andgreatest messenger at that time
it was mr muhammad and what yearwas that?
yeah, and so I passed by.
I said to the other brothersdid you hear what he said?
And they said yeah.
I said, well, but what he'ssaying he must not ever plan to

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get out of here.
So he must have heard me.
So we passed by his table so helooked at me and said if you
don't come to this table, youain't getting out of here, ok,
and so I just kept on walking,and so that's how.
That's how it started.
Then, about a day or so later,he met me in the prison yard.

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You know he came up, hepardoned me.
Can I uh speak to you for aminute?
I said sure.
He said what's your name?
I said well, they call mescopia, they call me frenchie.
He said why?
What's the scopia on frenchie?
I said well, frenchie is forconnections and scopia when I
gotta take you some seriousbusiness, somebody's in the way
and they gotta be removed, okay.
So he said, well, listen, haveyou?

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Have you heard of malcolm x?
I says no, have you ever heardof, uh, mr muhammad?
No, I said.
He said, well, anyway, tomorrowI've got some.
Do you read?
I said yes, I'll read anythingin here.
I done told this story, brother, many a times a lot of channels
in here, but but I'll beanything to keep my mind sane in

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here.
So anyway, the next day or so hecame with a stack of newspaper
articles, the Pittsburghteachings.
Because these teachings, themessage, had no publication but

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was available, so he was writingin the Pittsburgh Courier, the
Howard Tribune and the AmsterdamNews.
Okay, and now for thosearticles.
Those articles have beencompiled into a book the

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Pittsburgh Courier, originalarticle by the most honorable
Elijah Muhammad, and I suggestthat everybody out there, black,
man, woman or child, is by abrother, damesh Muhammad.
He did an excellent job.
I got to give him credit andrespect for that.
Get the book.
Don't be spooky and weak andstupid, letting people tell you
don't get this, don't get that,don't read this, don't read that
.
You get what you need foryourself.

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You understand what I'm tryingto say.
I'm telling you, get the book.
It's right and exact, becausemyself and other brothers of the
circle we have the originalcopies and we went through the
book and it's right and exact,direct from the most honorable
Elijah Muhammad.
And another thing we're notgoing to let it call you

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brothers and sisters out there,whether you're in the nation,
out the nation or just regularblack people.
Never let nobody try toinfluence you what to do.
You do what's best for you,because a lot of hypocrisy is
out there, all these so-calledleaders and ministers and so
forth.
They're running their mouth butthey're not giving it to you

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straight.
That's the reason whyeverything is standing still,
unsuccessful.
And when you know what to do itand don't let nobody interfere.
Don't be no robot.
Don't be a robot, don't be aparrot, don't be henpecked and
programmed.
Be a black man, be a blackwoman and think for yourself and

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do what's best for yourself.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yes sir, yes sir.
So now, Sing, Sing, you get theknowledge.
What year was that?
How old were you?

Speaker 2 (09:50):
at that time I was like 24 24 right 24 right, okay,
so now.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
So now, after 24, right, how much more time did
you have?
And and then, when did you getout?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Oh well, what happened?
I had more time to do, okay,but I got paroled.
I got paroled, okay, it waslike seven and a half because my
charge was so heavy, but by metaking the weight for organized
crime, I had a big-time lawyer.
The weight for organized crime,they had a big time, big time.

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I had a big time lawyer, the,the, the, the, the organized the
brothers, the organized crime.
Uh, uh uh uh.
Provide my lawyer andeverything, because I, I I got
busted a lot of weight.
Okay, at that time with ada Ithink ada bond was the top
lawyer in new york state, toptop lawyer.
Well, anyway, by me taking theweight, couldn't they say, well,
scopio, what's up, what's up?
I said, well, no worry, I gotthis, it's the box, it stops

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here.
They said, okay, so they tookcare of business.
Top shelf lawyer.
I lived good in there.
I had always had money andeverything and um, so I I did
like three years, three and ahalf years there and did the
best I did out here on, on, onparole.
So they got my time all the waycut down to like seven and a
half years there and did therest I did out here, on parole.
So they got my time all the waycut down to like seven and a
half years and I did three, alittle over three, and when I

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came out I was doing the rest onparole.
So when I came out I had to go.
When I came out I went right tothe temple.
But I went down to my familybecause I had a wife and four
children in Fort Greene.
So I went there.
But I couldn't stay therebecause they had that thing
where if you're arrested, youcan't stay.
If you want to stay, then yourfamily have to leave.

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So I told my wife you stay herewith the children, okay, don't
worry about me, I'm going in thestreet, but you're not going to
want for nothing.
My children don't want fornothing.
They are in heaven, okay, allfor nothing.
My children don't want fornothing.
They are in heaven, okay.
But I know how to get money andI always encourage them and
explain to them that you're inthis world to supply your world,

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to supply yourself with thebest of everything life has to
offer, and that is the best offood, the best of clothing, the
best of shelter, the best oftransportation and take a
vacation.
And you of shelter, the best oftransportation, and take a
vacation.
And you can do that with noproblem, as long as you keep
your money in your pocket anddon't be giving it to those
begging begging 10 percent,blood suckers who's always

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begging but can never show younothing or what they're doing
with your money.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Indeed indeed.
So now you get out.
Of.
Now you're doing with yourmoney.
Indeed indeed, god.
So now you get out of nowyou're out of prison on parole.
You go straight to the temple.
Who did you meet at the temple?
Who?
How did that come about?

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Okay, I went to the temple and we went out to Walter
5, because Walter 5, x and I,they shipped us out.
They shipped us out with no job.
All we had was a state suit and$20.
Because we lost?
Because Walter converted overthree-quarters of the inmates in
Greenhaven State Prison andmost of the brothers that was in

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the Attica Riot.
A lot of them came out ofGreenhaven State Prison with the
teachings of the most honorablethat, Walter under Walter.
Walter was bad Walter.
You ain't got nobody in thenation that performed the work
inside prison like Walter.
A lot of people out here theyrun their mouth.
You know what I'm saying.
I'm trying to like this andthat if you don't have that

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experience of being in the bellyof the beast in prison, in the
prison yard, teaching black manis God and white man is the
devil and there's no God butAllah who can't oppress the
master of Muhammad and his lastmessenger, the most humble of
the last Muhammad, if you don'thave that experience, what you
need to do is keep your mouthshut and stop acting like you're

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all this when you ain't nothing.
Because all great leaders go toprison.
You can't be in front of thepeople with positive knowledge
with understanding and not betested with going to prison.
So if you haven't been toprison, that means you probably
got weak, sold out, went alongto get along.

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You see, and don't think, peopledon't see these things, even
they don't bring it to yourattention, but just stay in your
place, okay, if you have, ifyou have wrote, became a
registered Muslim and you bearwitness that Almighty God Allah
came to person of master WDFarah Muhammad and his last and
greatest messenger, the mosthonorable Elijah Muhammad, and

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you gave your word that yourword is born and born is life,
and you give your life for yourword shall fail.
So if you made that commitment,then you should stay focused on
the teachings of the mosthonorable Elijah Muhammad.
Okay, word for word, right,right and exact.
Don't add to it, don't takeaway, just like he said it.

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Okay.
And then you will be moresuccessful on the civilized,
intelligent level, instead ofbeing on the level of a jackass
who don't know what the hellyou're talking about.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Indeed God.
So now you you're in the templeyou're building, you become FOI
right.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
That's what I'm talking about.
Clarence 13X was there.
Clarence 13X, myself, otherbrothers and Mr Francom was
there.
We're all under Malcolm X.
Malcolm X was the man.
Malcolm was the God with theteaching.
When you hear me speak ofMalcolm, I'm speaking of Malcolm
under the teachings of the mosthonorable Elijah Muhammad.

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He was God of America with theteachings of the most honorable
Elijah Muhammad.
Ok, we were under him.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
OK, so now let's go into the Malcolm X.
So you said you studied underMalcolm X?

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yes, you studied under Malcolm X.
Yes, now, malcolm X was the onethat was bringing the
Pittsburgh Courier articles intoGreenhaven State Prison to
Walter 5X.
See, nobody was close toMalcolm like Walter 5X.
You hear a lot of people oh Iwas dead, no, no, no, malcolm X
was the one, and Walter 5X wasthe one that established the

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teachings being taught insidethe prison system.
Ok, because Malcolm used tovisit Walter, because Walter was
so hot, you know, because hewas powerful, I mean.
And so to keep it, because theywanted to get next to him.
But to keep him alive, malcolmcame there out of his busy
schedule, sometimes two or threetimes a week.
Live, malcolm came there out ofhis busy schedule, sometimes

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two or three times a week, andspent a few hours with him to
keep his spirit up and supplyhim with whatever he needed to
share with us.
Who was at the table?
You understand what I'm saying?
Right, malcolm X, I'm yourteacher at the most unbelievable
.
You ain't got nobody out thereyesterday or today that's

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qualified to shine Malcolm'sshoes Nobody.
Okay, I don't care how bigtheir mouth is, they don't have
that experience of Malcolmcoming inside prison supplying
Walter 5X, balazsha Bazaar, lawor Mukbu Ram the same person
with everything he needed topass on and teach the inmates,
to teach us, the brothers whowas in prison.

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Okay, so we got out.
We had to go to the temple tomeet Malcolm.
Malcolm sent the word outthrough Captain Joseph that he
wanted to meet with the brotherswho was in prison, with Brother
Walter 5X.
So we all came down to the FOIclass on Monday After it was

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over, the brothers who was inprison went in the back.
Captain Joseph said we go intothe Salam restaurant and we go
to the back.
In the back they had tables setup with space and so forth for
us to sit the chair, for us tosit down and uh and and be

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introduced to malcolm.
Okay, and so when malcolm camein, man, malcolm came in like a
giant.
A giant, I mean, his presencealone was powerful.
His presence alone was powerful.
So he came and he said SalaamAlaikum.
We said Salaam Alaikum, so forall of us that was there, and he

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said well, I just had to meety'all Because the work that
y'all did there was remarkable,remarkable.
And when I took the report backto our dear Holy Apostle the
messenger, he was so overjoyed.
All he did was hold his head uphigh and said those are true
believers.
True believers, okay.

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And so he told Captain Joseph,whatever is needed, whatever
they want, whatever, whateverthey ask or request, you make
sure they have it.
And anytime any of you brotherswant to see me, feel free to
let Captain know, because youknow my busy schedule and he'll
make arrangements for you to seeme, because Malcolm was busy,

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brother.
You see a lot of people.
They run their mouth on YouTubebut they never give Malcolm the
credit that Malcolm earned.
Malcolm was the one that set up46 temples.
Malcolm Malcolm was the onethat set up 46 universities.
Malcolm Malcolm was the onethat put together the Muhammad
Speaks newspaper and gave it tothe messenger as a gift, and the

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ambi-angelic hypocrite wouldn'teven put his name in the paper
Okay, wouldn't even put his namein the actual fact.
When you hear me talking, I'mgiving you actual facts.
I'm talking to FBI, everybodywatching when I'm talking FBI,
cia, homeland Security, god onEarth, nation of Islam, moritz

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World, you name everything.
Everything, the nationalcommunity, everything that's out
there.
They watch and keep up withwhat I'm saying.
So I don't come out like that,to lie.
I give it to you straight.
I don't care if you accept itor not, I don't care if you
believe it or not, as long as Iput it out there, I'm happy with
that.
So, anyway, not put it outthere, I'm I'm happy with that,

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you know what I'm saying.
So anyway, um and so, so, so,because the paper out there now,
the final call newspaper, isnot new.
The final call newspaper wasput together by master wd for
rod muhammad and the most amalajmuhammad, august 11, 1934.
That's when that paper wasestablished.
You know what I'm trying to say.
But the messenger, after theSavior left and Malcolm put

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together the Muhammad speechnewspaper.
The messenger accepted that asthe paper for the nation of
Islam.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
So you said a lot there.
So Malcolm X is responsible foropening up 43 temples.
You said a lot there.
So Malcolm X is responsible foropening up 43 temples.
You said 46.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
46 temples and 46 universities, and put together
the Muhammad Speaks newspaperand gave it to the messenger as
a gift.
And the envy.
Jealous hypocrites were soenvious and jealous they
wouldn't even put his name inthe paper.
Actual fact.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
That's interesting.
So now, how did he go aboutmaking this happen, to open up
so many temples and universities?
Now, when you say universities,universities meaning
educational, like schools.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, educational centers.
Every temple had an educationalcenter.
Well, see, malcolm wastraveling all over.
Malcolm was traveling all overthe country by himself.
Listen to this.
Show you how fearless he was.
Malcolm was traveling all overthe country by himself.
Okay, sitting at these temples?
See all these big men out theredidn't do that, malcolm did

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that.
He was all over the country.
Wherever there was blackawareness, where he felt a
temple should be there, malcolmset it up.
He did that.
Everybody knows that.
But see out of envy, jealousyand that hypocritical mentality,
they never give Malcolm theircredit.
They get out there and runtheir like I'm giving them like

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the newly.
He run his mouth about Malcolm.
What the hell?
He wasn't even born.
What the hell do you know aboutMalcolm Wesley?
They always run their mouthabout Malcolm.
They weren't even born.
They don't know Malcolm.
But they weren't there.
They never see him.
They weren't in his company,they weren't an FOI on the
mountain and that's why I saidon one of my past interviews
that they should keep theirmouth shut and stop making a

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fool out of themselves and stopbeing a robot, henpecked,
programmed puppet and a parrot.
Okay, Indeed.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Okay.
So now, what was his method?
Okay, because I was watching avideo the other day with
Farrakhan and it was said thatFarrakhan was quietly going from
state to state setting up, Ithink, study groups.
He was setting them up.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Farrakhan started that after Farrakhan was torn
down, torn down, destroyed.
Wallace, wallace D Muhammad,wallace Muhammad, I call him
Wallace Yacoub.
Wallace Yacoub, you know who Ifeel?
Oh, shoot, what's the otherbrother, the secretary at the
time?
Oh, anyway, wallace and Rasul.

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Wallace and Rasul draggedMinister Franco out of New York.
Minister Franco was afraid toleave New York.
They dragged him out of NewYork, took him to Chicago, put
him over a storefront, hedestroyed him, brought him all
the way down to the ground, okay, and changed his name to Abdul

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Halim.
You know how do we serve it?
I'll do, I'll do a lean and uh,put him on the road, took off
his foi uniform, destroyed thelessons to put him in a robe.
Now, no disrespect to ferric, Idon't.
I call them road nightgowns,that's my understanding about
that.
And he had with him an Arabheadpiece.

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He was teaching Orthodox SunniIslam as Wallace's
representative for two and ahalf to three years Now.
As Wallace was destroying theeconomical program, furincon was
right there with him because hewas his natural representative.
And the two major points thatWallace focused on was the
newspaper plant, because thenewspaper plant was printing all

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the Muhammad speech and all thepublications of the nation the
newspaper plant was doing allthat and the bank, see the bank.
That's what Wallace was focusedto destroy that.
And he did.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Now, when you say he focused to destroy it, what do
you mean, Like?
How did he destroy it and whydo you believe that he was
focused to destroy it?
Maybe he thought it was.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Because of the fact he had opened up the books to
the government or something, andthey found reasons where he was
facing prison and he eithersold it or turned it over to
them.
But I think he sold it toeither clear up whatever money I
guess that the government mighthave.
But he was the one thatdestroyed the economical program

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and Minister Fernkamp was rightthere with him, because
Fernkamp was his nationalrepresentative.
So he was right there, see,because Fernkamp did not
understand a devil, a snake, adevil snake.
Okay, and the reason why hedidn't understand that is
because he didn't stay focusedon lost-bound Muslim lesson

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number one, question and answernumber 10.
Okay, everybody know the lessonout there.
So I ain't got to go throughthat.
But to make a long story short,he stayed with him from two and
a half to three years, and thenthat's when he was.
I went that way, let you know.
Then he was moving around withthese study groups, you know,
moving around teaching theselittle study groups and

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everything, until I think about1981.
I think that's when they hadthe first Savior's Day.
Okay, but he didn't bring backno nation.
The nation ain't never fell.
That's a lie.
You had the teachings of theHonorable Latin Mama going on
all over the country.
Savior's Day never stoppedbecause we, right here in New

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York, was given Savior's Dayevery year.
The economical program wasdestroyed but the nation of
Islam never fell, so there wasnothing to bring back because
they never fell in the firstplace.
So, uh, and then after that, uh, uh, uh, um, he stopped moving.

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You know the study groups, thestudy groups he had going on,
and then, I think 1981, hestarted teaching of um, the uh,
um, trying to bring the nationback.
Okay, but he couldn't bring thenation back, or the nation
never fell, it was still.
Followers of the most honorableElijah Muhammad is all over the

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country, just because they'renot out front.
Not only is my ferncon outfront because the messenger made
him a national spokesman, butother than that, ferncon wasn't
known.
Fernkamp was in Boston.
He didn't know, he didn'tproduce nothing in Boston.
I mean, I'm not talking about,we're just dealing with actual
facts.
He didn't do nothing in Boston,okay, and he didn't get popular

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until he came to New York, yousee.
And he came to New York afterMalcolm's assassination, but
when he came to New York itwasn't no work for him to do,
because the five of us myselfand the five of us had all the
teachers in the street, all thelessons all over the street.
I was supplying lessons toeverybody.
I had two locations whicheverybody knows, on Utica Avenue
Islam and Jewry Store with allthe whole program of the Nation

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of Islam.
Then the other ones on 116thStreet, up the street from the
temple.
So everybody came through there.
They got the whole package.
Would you just show me the bookthe Supreme Wisdom, that same
book?
I was Xeroxing it.
It wasn't in book form, it wasin Xerox, but it was the whole
package that everybody that cameby me got those lessons.

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Okay, it could be becauseWallace had them.
Put all the so-called believers,the so-called ones that talk
about it's only for registeredMuslims only when Wallace came
around, those so-calledregistered Muslims put their
lessons in the garbage, can puttheir FOI uniforms in the
garbage can you know what I'msaying?
And bow down on their hands andknees like a beggar, a fool, a

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tool and a slave, believing in amystery God that do not exist.
That's the actual fact.
And then Wallace had agreementwith the Sunnis and Orthodox to
try to bring the nation of Islamunder the heading of Orthodox
and Sunni Islam.
They had promised him big money, you know what I'm saying.
But being so bad at getting nomoney, then Wallace resigned.

(29:13):
He resigned, and that's when heresigned.
And that's when Franco.
But being so bad at getting nomoney, then Wallace resigned,
okay, he resigned, okay, andthat's when he resigned.
And that's when Frank Carrstepped off and tried to do what
he did, do what he do.
And I think that agreementmight still be going on because
after Wallace, they still try toget into this orthodox go into
that Sunni orthodox direction.

(29:34):
You know what I'm trying to sayorthodox, going to that sunni
orthodox direction.
You understand I'm trying tosay, but it never worked,
because there's no such thing asorthodox sunni islam.
That's christianity.
They are christian.
You understand I'm trying tosay you say why?
You say they christian?
Because they believe in amystery god.
You understand, in any religionor organization that believe in
a mystery God, you follow me.

(29:55):
That's Christianity, okay, andit comes from Yaakov's creation,
mystery God teaching.
It's just plain and simple.
But when you have a, you see youhave two minds out here.
You got God minor.
God minor lack understanding,because they can't come to the
level of reality.
God major has understanding andGod major come to the level of

(30:16):
reality.
God made you have understandingand God made you deal with the
reality.
That's why, when God made youtalking, god might not get upset
because they're spooky.
They're spooky and they don'tdeal with the reality.
Like the message is said, whenyou see the black man, you're
looking at God.
So when you see the black man,he said anytime you see a black
man, you're're looking at godand you got the teachings of the
most honorable elijah muhammadand you can't into practice word

(30:39):
for word right next to that.
You don't add to it, you don'ttake away from just like he said
it.
You don't need nobody else butyourself.
You ain't supposed to.
You follow what I'm trying tosay and they also said in your
lessons that you got no laborer.
No laborer should continue thedevil's name.

(31:00):
Now you got all these so-calledlaborers out here running
around with the devil's name,talking about I'm a minister,
I'm a captain, I'm a lieutenanthey, you ain't nothing.
If you're not being witness toAmbassador Rod Muhammad, you
have to go along with theteacher, master Farad Muhammad.
You have to go along with theteacher, not a student the
teacher, in order for you to getthe understanding of what it's

(31:20):
all about.
That's why most of them have aproblem with me, because I stand
on a solid rock.
The rock I stand on is theteachings of the most honorable
Elijah Muhammad, word for word,right and exact.
I don't add to it, I don't takeaway from it, just like he said
it.
You understand what I'm tryingto say, and that's why a lot of
them have a problem with me,because I don't go along to get

(31:41):
along, because I'm not lookingfor a bean pie and a carrot cake
.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Okay, hold on.
So now Malcolm X setting upuniversities.
You said a lot.
Wallace 46.
Now Wallace Dean I think that'shis name, or some people call
him Wallace.
He destroyed the economicalprogram and, from how I see it

(32:12):
right, this is where I thinkthat we need to focus.
Why was the economical programdestroyed and why hasn't it
after it was destroyed?
Why wasn't it continued?

Speaker 2 (32:27):
OK, the reason why it wasn't able to destroy it?
Because everybody went with wasa hypocrite and they were weak
and they did not understand.
Lost found Muslim lesson number10.
They didn't understand thatlesson because they did why?
Because they've been able to donothing.
You see, when you allowyourself to be programmed, when
you're weak and you allowyourself to be programmed, or

(32:50):
you talk like you're bad and youtalk like you believe, hey, you
say I bear witness that thereis no God but Allah, the Lord,
the person, the master, the Lord, the law.
I give my life and my death forAllah and all that.
But when you put to the test,that's when the weakness comes
to the surface.
You understand all those thatwent with.
Wallace punked them, broke themdown, scooped them all up in a

(33:18):
paper bag and then dropped themlike a hot potato.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
That's what happened, okay okay, so now, why wasn't
it continued like maybe withfarrakhan?

Speaker 2 (33:31):
no, the reason why it's continued?
Because all those so-calledleaders or officials or
administration or laborers, theydon't have no agenda, they,
they don't understand economics.
See, you can't be in front ofpeople without an agenda.
You got to have an economicalprogram.
You got to have a progressreport.
You got to have a financialreport.

(33:51):
You're never getting, you nevergot.
There was never agenda.
No economical program, noprogress report, no economical
program, no progress report andno financial report.
Because that responsibility isfor the secretary, the national
secretary.
But if the national secretaryis a bloodsucker and never come

(34:13):
with an agenda, economicsprogram or a progress report or
financial report, that meanswhatever money is coming in is
being used for their ownpersonal use, which is a house,
a suit, a bow tie, a car.
But as far as our economicalprogram is concerned, they don't

(34:34):
, they don't understandeconomics, the only, the only.
They're so, uh, they're soignorant.
They don't, they don't, theydon't know about economics.
You know what I'm saying andthat's why, when I set up two
stores there that day by myself,I mean laid out.
My stores are laid out.
You know what I'm saying?
Fish and cream, carpetchandeliers in the window,

(34:55):
showcases with gold and diamondsand silver, the whole nine
yards.
I set that up and then they gotso ambitious and jealous of
that they tried to boycott me,you see.
So the reason why I'm so closewith the five of cents is my
family, because even though theso-called Muslims, so-called
believers, boycott me, but thefive of cents, the grassroots,

(35:20):
the street people, brother,they're patching me big time and
kept me rolling, rolling, I gotpaid.
You can't stop the word of God.
This is what these fools don'tunderstand.
You cannot stop the word of God, just like the book.
You got that supreme wisdom.
You can go any Mars, any Mars.

(35:42):
You can't get that book.
It's barred, barred.
You can't go in there and getthat book.
But see, but I put the whole.
Everything is on my website, soyou don't have to get the book.
Go to my website all over.
I don't care if you're in China, I don't care if you're all
over the world.
You can make a copy of all thelessons right there on my
website.
Just go to my websiteuniversalsupremeshabarsallawcom.

(36:07):
Universalsupremeshabarsallawcom.
Go there, make a printout copy.
It's free, Everything is free.
Lessons in wisdom, and it'sbeen there for 25 years.
And nobody can tell.
Lessons in Wisdom and it's beenthere for 25 years.
That's not something you puttogether just on YouTube or

(36:27):
Facebook.
My website was put together byhigh corporate, specialist
website designers.
It's locked in.
Nobody can touch it, youunderstand, and it's been there
for 25 years and every month Ipay for it.
Okay, and the reason why I puteverything there?
So the bloodsuckers cannottarnish it or misrepresent it

(36:51):
and all the young generationsthat come behind me will have
access to it.
Now it's all the worldwide.
You can go to China.
You in in China, go to mywebsite.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
You can print that copy and it's being copied in
all different languagesthroughout the world okay now, I
got some good questions in thechat, but chat man, I'm sorry
today I'm not going to be ableto answer those questions
because we got some things toroll through before we cut out.

(37:22):
Just to let y'all know, we'regoing to talk about, uh, uh,
kareem muhammad and ericmuhammad.
We're going to try to fit thatin in this hour or this 23
minutes and, uh, if we don't, wewe're coming back to talk about
more things and and and uh,later episodes.
All right, so just to let y'allknow.
Just to let y'all know, let'stalk about Kareem Muhammad.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Oh, brother, I have the utmost respect for Kareem
because he was a soldier, ageneral.
It was Kareem the reason why Imentioned him.
It was Kareem when Mr Frankon'sname, mr Frankon's name, was in
New York.
Mr Frankon's name was in thegarbage can, the garbage can.
New York couldn't stand him,didn't want to hear nothing

(38:05):
about him.
It was Kareem that came to NewYork and took Frank on his name
out the garbage can and put onthe level of respect.
Kareem did that.
That's the reason why and his,his portrait should be on that
final front page of that finalcall newspaper.
Okay, if the hypocrites haveenough sense, kareem muhammad's

(38:31):
portrait should be on the frontcover of the next edition of the
final call newspaper on makingthat known to the world.
And if the picture's not onthere, that goes to show you
that the hypocrites are stilltrying to be active, okay.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Okay, so Kareem Muhammad.
So what's his history?

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Oh, he was up in Plainfield, new Jersey.
He had a large following, alarge following.
He was powerful With theteachings of the most honorable.
Like Muhammad, he was Jersey.
He had a large following.
He was powerful With theteachings of the most honorable
light and honor.
He was powerful.
I had the utmost respect for him, the reason why, like I said,
my businesses, my stores andeverything I was rolling while
he was in New York.
He never interfered, never saida word, never had nothing

(39:16):
negative to say about mybusinesses.
You understand, like the firmin the Captain Joseph boycotted,
called himself boycotting meout of envy and jealousy because
they couldn't control me ortake over the business.
How are you going to take oversomething you ain't spend no
money in?
How are you going to say, likeMr Farrakhan said to me in his

(39:38):
office one day when I went tosee him, is your business
nation-owned?
I said, how is it going to benation-owned?
Nation got no money in mybusiness, right?
So, anyway.
So, after that and everything,that's when the word went out
that any believer is coming inIslam and Jewry store my store,

(39:59):
coming in or out.
They would be giving time outof the temple.
But that didn't stop them,because after the temple closed,
all the brothers would call meand say, mel, we're coming down,
we got to get them out.
We got to get them out.
I had everything in there,brother, and so that's why I've
got the store.
My store would be open 12, 1, 2o'clock in the morning.

(40:22):
I had brothers come from Jersey, from Jersey, philadelphia,
washington.
Maybe, mel, are you still there, we're on our way, come to
Virginia.
I was supplying everybody.
I would have been a bigsupplier with the material of
the Nation of Islam always.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Well, I got it.
Somebody says the messenger,did the messenger give Malcolm
the name, Malcolm Shabazz?

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Oh yeah, Malcolm Shabazz.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Malik Shabazz, the messenger.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah, that's his name .
Did the messenger give himMalik Shabazz and the?
Yeah, that's his name.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
The messenger given Malik Shabazz.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
And the Shabazz that built up the nation laid the
foundation of the nation.
You had John Shabazz inCalifornia, malcolm Shabazz in
New York, jeremiah Shabazz inPhiladelphia, james Shabazz in
New Jersey and the other JamesShabazz was the assistant

(41:23):
minister in Chicago.
Those five Shabazz's isresponsible for the teachings
being deep rooted in the worldof North America.
Those Shabazz's?
Ok, shabazz, because Shabazz isGod.
Shabazz is God.
Okay, shabazz is God.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
So where's that name, shabazz, come from, like what's
the root of it?

Speaker 2 (41:47):
It comes from the universal force and power from
66 tree years ago when Shabazz,when Shabazz when everybody
speak the same language and theother gods disagree with that,
so Shabazz went to the centerpart of high explosion, blew up
the planet, and so the part thatyou see moon shut out 12,000
miles and all the water camewith this part.

(42:09):
So all those that disagree withShabbat and didn't want to go
alone Shabbat, they died.
Just like the ones who disagreetoday.
Shabbat when you say Shabbat,they died, okay, just like the
ones who disagree today.
Who don't?
Shabazz is when you say Shabazz, that's God, that's the power
and force.
And all those that don't acceptand carry the practice, the

(42:32):
knowledge, wisdom, understandingDirect from the most honorable
Elijah Muhammad, that he gotdirect from Master Farah
Muhammad, the most honorableElijah Muhammad, that he got
direct from Master FarahMuhammad.
The most honorable ElijahMuhammad was Shabazz Allah,
because you can't raise a nationof Shabazz Allah unless you
Shabazz yourself.
See so, all those that rebelagainst Shabazz Allah is dying

(42:58):
and going to continue to die,because you can't, anybody.
Once you bear witness to Allahand the person of Master Farah
Muhammad and you go another way,you all you do is put your name
on the dismiss list.
You understand the destructionlist and he got a lot of ways to
destroy you.
He can destroy you with alcohol, destroy you with drugs,

(43:18):
destroy you with.
He can destroy you with alcohol, destroy you with drugs,
destroy you with pork.
You understand what I'm tryingto show.
Destroy you with marijuana,heart attack.
Just observe what's takingplace Heart attack, strokes,
paralyzed colon cancer, prostatecancer.
Allah kills from all differentdirections.
You understand.
So some people say, well, I'malright, you alright.

(43:40):
What about your son or yourdaughter?
Are they all right, or theywere so?
Why are you going to thefuneral room next week or the
funeral tomorrow.
Don't play with these teachings, because when you play with
these teachings, you come underthe destruction of Almighty God
of Law, who came to purge themaster WD Farhad Mohammed.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Now Awareness Daily.
Thank you for the $5, now the$99.
Really appreciate you,awareness Daily.
Awareness Daily, you'rebecoming my brother.
I've now known you for twoyears.
Anyway, brother, this brotheris asking peace.
Does brother Michal Zadekbelieve the messenger and the

(44:23):
Savior are still alivephysically?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
The Savior is still alive, but the messenger is not.
That's a lie.
Anybody who say that the mosthumble Elijah Muhammad is
physically, physically alive isa liar.
And the reason why I can tellthem today Faith that you's a
liar because you can't prove it.
Ok, because the messengertaught life in death.

(44:47):
There's no life after physicaldeath.
Ok, now if you say where's themessenger, the messenger lives
in the mind of his truefollowers, the mind of his true
followers.
When you see a true follower ofthe most humble life of
Muhammad, who accepts histeachings, upholds his teachings
, carries his teachings intopractice to the best of their

(45:09):
ability, word for word, rightand exact, don't add to it,
don't take away from it, justlike he said it.
When you see that believer,you're looking at the messenger.
They've been running thatspookism about the messenger
still physically alive.
I remember it was Nuri.
Nuri was out there about amonth or so ago in Chicago

(45:30):
talking about oh, oh, oh, andthe messenger is still
physically alive.
Now they ask Nuri, you lost aloved one, you lost your
daughter.
Now go to the graveyard and askher if she still feels real
alive.
And the next time you open yourmouth I'm going to teach the
history of that situation withyour daughter who committed

(45:52):
suicide.
Now let me open your mouthagain with that spookism and I'm
going to come live in front ofthe world and run down that
whole history which I've got,okay.
So keep your mouth shut, okay,and you leave that alone, okay.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Go ahead.
All right Now.
Thanks, joey, for the $10.
I really appreciate you.
Thank you for the super chat orthe super sticker.
Now the next.
Okay, so Kareem Muhammad.
Are we finished with KareemMuhammad?
You want to go to Eric Muhammad?

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Oh well, eric was a good soldier, a beautiful
brother.
I know his brother Kenneth.
Kenneth was the one themanufacturer of the bow ties
with the crescent.
Kevin Kenneth produces, kennyproduces that and Steve he does
with the sweatshirts and hoodiesand so forth.
But Eric was a beautiful,humble, loving, respectful

(46:46):
brother.
Everybody loved him.
He had a personality,unbelievable brother.
I had the utmost respect forhim and I'm so glad that my love
and respect for him like it isnow.
It was always there even when hewas here.
You know what I'm saying yes,so I want to let it be known
that to his family, BrotherSteve and Brother Kenneth and

(47:10):
the rest of the family, I wantyou to know that my love and
respect for him is endless andhe'll always be missed.
He'll always be missed.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Right Condolences to the family.
Right Condolences to the family.
So, Eric Muhammad, what did hedo in the community?

Speaker 2 (47:33):
He was like a first officer in Mars, yeah, Mars in
Brooklyn.
Second officer Mars 7th Mars,7th Mars 7th C in Brooklyn.
He was a lieutenant, alieutenant first officer, but
highly respected, highly.
They loved him.
They loved him, brother, Okay,and I'll tell you about Kareem

(47:58):
was highly respected.
Because one thing about Kareemthat a lot of brothers respected
he brought the militancy out.
You you know what I'm saying.
You was God with him.
You were God.
You weren't weak, weak,submissive and humble and all
that foolishness.
He brought that God to thesurface.
I got to give him credit forthat.

(48:18):
He taught black men as God.
He taught that watered-downorthodox Sunni garbage or that
Dianetics and Scientologygarbage or that Christianity
garbage.
How in the hell are you goingto teach orthodox Sunni Islam
and Christianity and Dianeticswhen it's an integration program

(48:39):
?
A black man can have a whitewoman.
A black woman can have a whiteman.
In Orthodox and Sunni Islam ohyeah, christianity a black man
can have a white woman.
A black woman can have a whiteman.
Dionysian Scientology a blackman can have a white woman, a
black woman can have a white man.
It's about separation,separation, not integration.

(49:01):
But anytime you see somebodyweak, when you see a black man
with a white woman weak, you seea black woman with a white man
weak.
If you see somebody condoningthat, upholding that they are
weak, if you go into theircloset, they probably live with
a white man or a white woman.
Okay, and all the message madea claim all white people is the

(49:23):
devil, by nature, made to bedestroyed and not to be given
another chance.
So that pedophile out there inChicago called Homo Flaga that
goes for him too.
There's no way a Catholic devilcannot be a devil.
Okay, all right.
You can't say that's be a devil, okay, alright, alright.
You can't say that's not adevil, no, that's a devil, okay,

(49:46):
alright.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Now we got a question .
Brother Jigga says what do youthink about Khalil Shabazz in
Detroit?

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Khalil Shabazz.
I like him because he speaksbut he proves what he's saying.
He comes out of Muhammad Speaksnewspaper.
He shows the receipts, heproves the interviews that I see
with him.
He proves what he says.
You know what I'm trying to say?
Because they come under Sakia.

(50:20):
I think that's his mother.
I think he's married to herdaughter or something.
Anyway, sakia and Levi, theywere under Supreme Minister John
Muhammad.
They never went with Wallace,they always stayed Muhammad's
Temple, muhammad's Temple numberone in Detroit.
But Michael is good, he's good.
But one thing I like about himthe interview, the lectures I

(50:43):
see of him.
He's on every Sunday at 2o'clock.
He shows what he's talkingabout.
He goes to Muhammad's speechnewspaper and quote it.
He mentions the black man orwhatever, teaches a message that
he has to prove what he'ssaying.
And he do a good job.
You see, he do a good job.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
So he's my brother got you now as far as where the
nation of Islam is right now.
Right, so, for what I learnedis that the nation of Islam has,
you know, for lack of betterterm a few different factions.
So now the nation of Islamunder Farrakhan, right now, what
direction do you think?

(51:22):
I don't know much about wherethey're going in that direction.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Farrakhan is trying to take the nation into his
orthodox Sunni Islam.
Farrakhan is a continuation ofWallace.
Okay, wallace changed the nameTemple to Mars.
Farrakhan, leave it Mars.
Why don't he put it back?
Temple number two?
Temple number two wasestablished by the most humble

(51:47):
life.
That's his temple, frankon.
Name it Mars.
Marianne, the mother of Jesus,the mother of Jesus.
2,000 years ago, she was avirgin until she slept with
Joseph.
Joseph was a married man, sowhen she slept with Joseph, that
put her at fornication andJoseph adultery.

(52:08):
Now, why do you want to name atemple?
The message is temple MarsMarian, when you know the mother
of Jesus was a hoe, why wouldyou want to do that?
And I'm surprised that Ishmael,who says he's the biological son
of the messenger, he'd go alongwith that.

(52:31):
Well, how are you going to goalong with, if you're the
biological son of the messenger?
What the hell are you doing?
Worshiping somebody else?
Let's get real here.
What the hell are you doingworshiping somebody else?
Let's get real here.
And why would you go along withsomebody changing the name of
your father's house, yourfather's temple, and you go
along with it.
That's weakness, weakness.

(52:51):
You know what I'm trying to say?
All right, so my point is Idefinitely disagree with it.
It's wrong.
Everybody knows that.
It's not following theteachings Maren Cohen, is not
following the teachings of themost avalanched woman word for
word, right and exact, don't addto it, Don't take it like he
said it.

(53:11):
He did good work.
I've got to give him credit forthat.
You know what I'm sayingBecause I supported him big time
for over 20 years.
I was one of the main suppliersof all his videos, all his
lectures.
Besides number one with Chicago, outside Chicago, I was number
one for 20 years I was supplying25 stores of all Mr Frank on

(53:34):
videos and lectures and also outin the street on 125th Street,
which everybody knows.
You probably saw me out therewith 1,000 of his lectures on
125th Street for 12 years, inthe rain, the cold, the snow,
whatever.
That's why I can feel free tosay what I'm about to say.
Franco is good when he'steaching the messages he's

(53:57):
teaching, but when he startsgoing, he's Aaron, he's Peter,
he's this, he's that.
Come on, you don't know whatthe hell you are when you're
taking all these differentdirections.
You follow what John said.
You can't be the messenger,like a brother called me and
said he's Jesus.
How the hell are you going tobe Jesus?
How, all these medical?
You're going to wait until youget 92 years old, all kinds of

(54:18):
medical problems, can't walk ina wheelchair.
Now you're the Messiah, nowyou're Jesus, but you can't heal
yourself.
Stop making a fool out ofyourself.
It's embarrassing.
Hey, have you ever seen a92-year-old man with black hair?
Come on, if I let my hair grow,it'll be great.

(54:39):
You understand what.
I'm trying to say Right, it's abody chemistry thing.
As you move on in life, yourhair is going to get gray and
it's going to come out.
So if you're intelligent andgot calm and sense, just take
the hair off.
What's the big deal?
You'll look better.

(55:00):
You look better.
You'll look better.
Now, why are you alwaysFerencvark?
You ain't got nobody out theresupporting Ferencvark more than
me, and they know that.
They know that I've got astorage right now, brother, with
maybe $40,000, $50,000 with allthe nation, everything on
Ferencvark, even cassette.
Brother, with maybe $40,000,$50,000 with all the nation

(55:21):
Found everything on Farrakhan,even cassette players, because I
know it's going to be in greatdemand up the road.
But they know that the wholeproblem with those lying
two-faced hypocrites, brother,that they're envious and jealous
because they're unproductive,they didn't produce nothing and
they was in position to dosomething.

(55:41):
Because he was getting thecharity, the donations, the
contributions, the savings.
They give the number twoportraiture, but they squandered
it a car, a suit and a bow tie.
If they had $2 left, theybought a bean pie, okay.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
On that note, thank you for coming out this evening.
Mel Chesedek Shabazz Alar,really appreciate you.
We got to do a part two to this.
Greatly appreciate it.
Good to see you.
By the way, before we cut out,I know there's got to be a
two-hour show.
I know, I know, I know, I know,I know, I know we're going to

(56:21):
bring another one.
We're going to bring a part twoto this.
We're going to bring a part twoto this.
So I just wanted to ask you aquestion how old are you now?

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I'm 89.
I'll be 90 November, the 20th.
No medical problems no cane, nocrutches.
No walker, no mobile.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Nothing problems no cane, no crutches no walker, no
mobile, nothing, no medicalproblems and no medication, and
I can run faster than you.
I don't know about that, though, I'm in sheen.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
It's hard to eat to live right who you are and
you're sick.
If you know, hey, you'resupposed to apply yourself with
the best of everything that lifehas to offer.
You know what I'm saying?
The first law of nature isself-preservation.
So if you don't take care ofyourself, that goes to show and
prove you're ignorant.

(57:14):
You don't know how you're goingto neglect yourself and be all
these other things and youneglect yourself.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
That's an actual fact , on that note.
Peace, brother Mel Chesedek, Ireally appreciate you.
Peace to everybody in the chatand we are out of here.
Peace.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Now, nothing personal .
Freedom of speech, nothingpersonal.
But we got to deal with realityand stop that making a fool out
yourself with this idol,worshiping somebody who ain't
doing nothing for you.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Okay, Indeed Peace.

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