November 19, 2025 • 56 mins
The fault line isn’t just history—it’s authority. We sit down with Minister Kevin Ali to unpack how the Nation of Islam’s original blueprint under Elijah Muhammad diverged from the structure and practice of Final Call Inc under Louis Farrakhan. What begins as a timeline quickly turns into a deeper look at sovereignty, incorporation, and who gets to define doctrine for a people trying to build a nation.
We walk through the critical shifts: ministers once reported only to Elijah Muhammad and met with him regularly; after 1975, incorporation and captain-led chains reshaped governance. What sounds bureaucratic is spiritual. We explore how corporate status invites state oversight, how hierarchy changes the pulpit, and how even the color of a suit signals discipline and duty. From there, we dive into language and ritual—why the Messenger insisted on Farad, not a more orthodox pronunciation, and why Jumuah or janazah rites were not adopted. These choices were designed to make a distinct Islam for Black life in America, rooted in five core principles yet “altogether new.”
The conversation intensifies around prayer and titles. Elijah Muhammad taught prayer to Master Farad Muhammad, a line that some in Final Call Inc have blurred or denied. Meanwhile, titles like messenger, apostle, and messiah applied to Farrakhan create theological confusion for those who hold to one Messiah and one Messenger. We don’t stop at doctrine. We address auditing and Dianetics, questioning both their results and their symbolism, and we examine the optics of Masonry or Greek affiliations through the lens of allegiance and sovereignty.
This is a direct, respectful, and evidence-driven exploration meant to inform, not inflame. If you care about the Messenger’s blueprint, organizational power, and how beliefs become structures that shape everyday life, this conversation will challenge and clarify. Listen, share with someone who’s curious, and tell us: where do you draw the line? Subscribe for part two, drop a review, and join the live chat to add your voice.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:10):
What's going on, everybody?
Out there is Ron Brown, LMT, thePeople's Fitness Professional.
Thank you guys for coming outthis evening.
Um, we have the Brother MinisterKevin Ali in the building to
build about the nation of Islamversus the final call.
What's the difference?
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All right, all right, all right.
We're back, we're back, we'reback.
I wish I had the uh I wish I hadthe uh clapping sounds.
I'm gonna get all of that backon my roadcaster, you know, to
make it a uh more complete show.
But anyway, we're here.
SPEAKER_03 (01:44):
Brother, I I like that commercial.
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Yeah, thank you.
I like that.
SPEAKER_03 (01:48):
It sets the right tone for the show.
I love it.
SPEAKER_02 (01:51):
Indeed.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you, sir.
So we're we're here, MinisterKevin Ali.
We're gonna build on Nation ofIslam versus the Final Call.
Now, I'm not saying it's yourfor.
I'm not saying it's your for.
I'm just saying I've never heardthis ever before until I met the
brother Minister Kevin Ali.
(02:12):
I've never heard of uh, Ithought Farrakhan and his
following was under the nationof Islam.
Even technically, if we if we gointo the lessons we speak
technically, they are, right?
But as far as the organizationand the way it's structured,
it's not quite like the uh uh umhonorable minister, uh sorry,
(02:38):
honorable Elijah Muhammad set itup, right?
And and just to just to um giveyou a little history, the Moors
have the same issue, if you knowanything about the Moors.
So some Moors say the ProphetNobu Drew Ali set up the uh MST
of A one way, and some Moors sayno, they set it up another way,
(03:00):
and sellouts came and took over,and there's a whole thing
surrounding that.
So it seems like it's kind ofsort of the same thing in this
case.
So uh if you can give me somebackground of uh how did the
nation of Islam change into thefinal call, that would really
(03:20):
set it off.
SPEAKER_03 (03:22):
Well, the the what we know as the final call
incorporate is just the most uhnationally recognized
organization or branch claimingthe legacy of the honorable
Elijah Muhammad and the Nationof Islam.
You have uh Mr.
Silas Muhammad out of Atlanta,you have uh you have others who
have set up Nation of Islamorganizations.
(03:43):
You had what's the uh thebrother in Oakland, who I'm
forgetting, your black Muslimbakery, uh Yusuf Bey.
Uh you've had the messenger'sblood brother, John Muhammad in
Shicai in uh Detroit.
You had uh Jeremiah Shabazz whostuck with the messenger
teachings.
Lewis Farrakhan and hisorganization, which is known as
the Final Call Incorporated as a501c3, is just the most
(04:05):
well-nationally known branch, ifyou will, of the nation of Islam
that have represented under theteachings of the honorable
Elijah Muhammad.
Now, as you have pointed out,there have been many differences
added to all thoseorganizations, uh, in particular
the final call incorporated.
SPEAKER_02 (04:24):
Okay, so you mentioned some names.
You mentioned Yusuf Bey, youmentioned Silas.
Um, those are two names that Ikeep hearing uh going through my
own personal journey.
Um do you know anything aboutthose brothers' organization and
how that's set up, or no?
SPEAKER_03 (04:42):
I don't know the details of Yusuf Bey's
organization, just in general,that he was very uh prominent in
the uh Oakland, San FranciscoBay Area.
But exactly how it was set up, Icould not tell you exactly.
I know a little more about SilasMuhammad's organization.
Uh, he is the chief executiveofficer of that lost found
nation of Islam.
(05:03):
Uh they in short, they thefollowers of Silas look to Mr.
Silas Muhammad as the followersof Minister Farrakhan look to
Minister Farrakhan in general.
He is the the word amongst them.
He he is the final say.
Uh they believe that he is thefulfillment of several
scriptural prophecies.
And again, that's the contentionthat you know the messenger
(05:24):
never said that either anyoneelse fulfilled these scriptures
uh other than himself and theguide he represents, including
Minister Farrakhan, including uhuh Mr.
Silas Mohammed.
All right.
I got some people.
Who by the way, we have verygood relations with Mr.
Silas Mohammed.
He's always tried to be abrother to us who were trying to
stick to strictly stick to whatthe messenger teaches, including
(05:46):
with my mentor, mentors who arepassed away, Minister John
Muhammad and Minister DavidBacha.
Silas has always been verybalanced.
He's always Mr.
Silas Mohammed's always beenvery balanced, always very
brotherly, as well as hisfollowers and brothers.
They've always treated us withlove and open arms and
brotherhood.
SPEAKER_01 (06:03):
Oh, wow, okay.
SPEAKER_03 (06:04):
I can't say the same for others.
SPEAKER_02 (06:07):
Wow, wow, wow.
So Silas is still here or he'sgone.
SPEAKER_03 (06:11):
No, he's he's still he's still living.
Uh he's he's still he's probablyin his late 80s, early 90s, but
he's still around.
Uh he's still doing his work.
I don't know where he lives.
I've heard the last day he liveson one of the islands, uh, not
Jamaica, but one of the VirginIslands.
I'm I'm not sure.
But his accusation is stillstill in there working the work.
He they do a lot of work withthe United Nations in trying to
(06:35):
get reparations for Afrodescendants.
Again, that's I don't agree withthat work in particular from the
perspective of Messenger, but Idon't down that work either.
SPEAKER_02 (06:45):
Right.
Uh uh, thank you.
Uh oh uh is this the sistersaying, is it a sister?
Uh saying uh uh um asalamalaykum walaikum salaam alaikum
salaam peace to the god peace togod Rashan Allah Black Power uh
Black Power Brother uh MBP newBlack Panther Party.
(07:08):
Peace to you, brother, peace toyou.
Uh so let's go into it.
So um so Silas is still alive.
I didn't know that.
Okay, doing work in the VirginIslands.
This is some great information.
Now, Yusuf Bey, how did he getYusuf Bey from the Nation of
Islam?
That's you know, that's aninteresting name.
SPEAKER_03 (07:29):
He he started he started uh a business called
Your Black Muslim Bakerysometime in the late 60s, early
70s there in Oakland.
And then that somehow after1975, after the departure of the
messenger, he turned that bakeryor transitioned that bakery to
add in actual meetings andmeeting times and lectures.
(07:51):
That's the extent of what Iknow.
I'm just not out there.
We do we are in contact with abrother who was a member of uh
of his organization out there inOakland, but I've never he he
doesn't have a presence reallyoutside of the West Coast that
I'm aware of.
Okay, okay, and and he he hehimself passed away several
years ago.
I know his his one of his bloodsons had tried to keep the
(08:12):
organization going.
I don't know if that's stillgoing like it once was.
SPEAKER_02 (08:17):
Okay, okay.
Uh, we got someone uh lovesSilas Mohammed and John Muhammad
can't mess with Yusuf Bey.
He was messing.
I don't even want to say thatbecause I don't even know if
that's true, right?
SPEAKER_03 (08:29):
I and I I don't either.
I though there's a there'salways rumors about everybody.
I don't we try not to deal withrumors, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:36):
For real.
That is not what I do.
Um, so now we said SaizMuhammad, we spoke about Yusuf
Bey.
I was just wondering how did heget from go from you know the
messengers teachers into the Baypart, but I don't think maybe
you don't know that.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (08:53):
Well, the the messenger did name several of
his a number of followers.
He named them Bay, or as he orthe correct way he said to
pronounce it is Biah.
That's that's not an unusualname for somebody in the nation
of Islam.
Bay is not an unusual name.
Oh, yeah, the messenger did givethat name out, yes.
SPEAKER_02 (09:10):
Oh man, you uh you're gonna start some stuff
with that one right there.
Uh-oh.
Whoa, whoa, hold on.
That's a bomb.
Whoa.
SPEAKER_03 (09:20):
Biah, Sharif, Hassan, Hussein, uh uh Ali.
There's a number of names thatthe messenger gave out.
That you made uh uh Sham Sadin.
SPEAKER_02 (09:33):
What about L?
Any L's in there?
SPEAKER_03 (09:35):
Not that I'm aware of.
Okay, not that I'm aware of.
SPEAKER_02 (09:40):
They are okay.
Interesting, interesting.
Uh Joetta.
All right.
SPEAKER_03 (09:51):
We know who that is.
Oh, oh, right.
SPEAKER_02 (09:58):
Right.
So now um let's go into it.
So final call, nation of Islam.
The messenger passed on in uh1975.
SPEAKER_03 (10:09):
That's what the common belief is, correct?
SPEAKER_02 (10:11):
Okay, the common belief is that he passed on in
1975.
Once that happened, from what Iknow, Wallace Dean took the
organization somewhere else.
Right?
SPEAKER_03 (10:25):
And almost almost immediately took it somewhere
else.
Within six months, took itcompletely somewhere else.
SPEAKER_02 (10:31):
Okay, now when he was in the process of doing
that, the organization of uh uhthe the uh the nation of Islam
was under what?
Was it a 501c3?
Was it how was it structured?
Do you know?
SPEAKER_03 (10:46):
I don't you're talking about under Wallace
still post-centered.
SPEAKER_02 (10:50):
No, no, under under uh uh the minister.
SPEAKER_03 (10:53):
I don't know when I don't know when he got his
501c3, but that was what Wallacedid.
Wallace took uh the quoteunquote nation of Islam, named
it Muslim Mosque Incorporated orMosque Cares, whatever he named
it, and made it a 501c3.
That opened when you when youincorporate under the devil's uh
(11:13):
laws, you make the secretary ofstate a de facto member of your
board, and then they are nowallowed, and you are by law
required to file certainreports, have certain officers
say send financial information.
And if your every I is notcrossed and every every T is not
(11:37):
dotted, you are in trouble, andthat's what and that's how the
that's how America, that's howthe devil drugged Wallace's
organization in the probate andbroke apart all of the
businesses.
The messenger never had us underno nonprofit status, under no
under no 51c3, under no TIN orEIN or tax ID or social security
(11:58):
number, none of that.
We are not that we are a nation.
SPEAKER_02 (12:03):
Yeah, a ben a ben, that's what is exactly what he's
talking about, brother.
I'm laughing because if more seethis right now, they would agree
with you a hundred percent.
Some more, some more would agreewith you a hundred percent.
So, yes, okay.
So so before it turned intowell, 501c3 after Wallace took
(12:28):
over, what was it?
Like, how was it structured?
Was it was it just like uh underthe honorable Elijah Muhammad?
SPEAKER_03 (12:36):
Yes, the honorable Elijah Muhammad is the messenger
of Allah.
The black man is the originalman, the Asiatic black man is
the original, maker, owner,creamer of the planet earth, god
of the universe.
We operate off of divine law.
This supersedes anyconstitutional or regional or
country law, it is divine law.
(12:59):
Our mandate, our manifest comesdirect from Almighty God Allah.
We don't need America or thedevil's paperwork or his tax ID
number, even though we are bynature, which is a nation.
SPEAKER_02 (13:13):
Where the Moors at right now, the Moors are not on
right now, except for a Ben.
A Ben, you're the only Moore onthis joint right now.
You gotta you gotta talk to mein the chat, brother, because
he's he's basically saying a lotof what the Moors say.
All right, so anyway, let's moveon.
So after that, and after that,Wallace Dean takes it over,
(13:38):
501c3, he goes in anotherdirection.
Uh uh Walakum Salam, brother, hegoes in another direction.
Where does the final call comein?
SPEAKER_03 (13:48):
I'm not sure exactly when he got his 501c3, but
approximately three, a littleover three years after 1975,
Louis Farrakhan was Wallace D.
Muhammad's internationalrepresentative.
He actually represented it,represented the position and
theology of Wallace D.
Muhammad better than Wallace D.
Muhammad did.
Wallace D.
(14:09):
Mohammed had his own book oflessons.
Far Kong was teaching out ofthose lessons.
He was promoting Wallace D.
Muhammad as the greatest leaderthat we have ever had.
Somewhere after 1977, 78,somewhere during that time
frame, uh we can go into this indetail in another time, but
somewhere during that time,Wallace put Minister Louis
Farrakhan and Minister JohnMuhammad, temple number 26, San
(14:30):
Francisco, not the messenger'sblood brother, put those two
big, strong ministers in onelittle temple on the south side
of Chicago together, made Munir,Munir Muhammad became their the
secretary of that small temple.
That's how Farrakhan and Munirhooked up, and then Wallace cut
off Farrakhan and Wa uh and JohnMuhammad's paycheck.
John Muhammad got a job for thecity of Chicago.
(14:53):
Farrakhan broke away and said,I'm gonna start teaching the
messenger's teachings again, andbegan doing that somewhere late
77, early 78.
Ah that's very interesting.
We come with actual facts,brother.
We're not we're not makinganything up.
This is not speculation, this isnot hatred.
This is what happened.
This is actually what literallywhat happened.
(15:14):
Okay, I defy anybody in thatcamp to tell me that is not what
happened.
And I'm not talking about thelow folks on the totem pole, I'm
talking about the ministers, I'mtalking about the national
captain, I'm talking aboutMustafa, I'm talking about
Ishmael, I'm talking aboutMinister Farkan himself.
Uh uh, what is brother Larry'sname now?
Uh Akbar, any any of them knowthat this is the history.
SPEAKER_02 (15:36):
That's interesting.
I hope y'all heard that becauseI heard some real interesting
stuff right there.
A paycheck got cut, and someonegoes, Okay, I'm going, I'm gonna
take the messengers' teachingsand went in his own directions
with the messengers' teachings.
Um, so let's go here real quick.
Final call was established in1933, 34.
(15:59):
It was before Muhammad speaks.
SPEAKER_03 (16:03):
He's referring to the new, he's referring to the
newspaper.
There was the messengerpublished a newspaper called the
Final Call to Islam.
Uh, we're not talking about thenewspaper, we're talking about
the the 501c3 corporate entitythat was established after 1978
by Lewis Farrakhan, called thefinal that's why it's called the
final call.
Incorporated, it wasincorporated at some time after
(16:25):
1978.
I don't know the exact date.
SPEAKER_02 (16:28):
Okay, so it was incorporated and he took the
messengers teachings.
Did he take you know all of thelessons like uh Supreme Wisdom
one and two, uh uh uh message tothe black man?
He took all those teachings anddid he add or take away
anything?
SPEAKER_03 (16:45):
Not at first, uh not at first he didn't, but over the
course of time you could slowlythings began creeping in.
I became aware of Lewis Farkanuh and the organizational
standpoint, somewhere in late1980, between 85 and 89, that's
when I became aware of him.
But I don't know whatparticularly was being taught in
(17:06):
those temples at that time.
Minister Minister Muhammad couldtell you because he was there
in '83.
But like I said, even my mentorhimself, Minister David Bachar,
said, if you want to get more ofthe messenger's teachings,
because he wasn't doing anyactive ministry, he said, go
check out Farrakhan.
He told me about all those otherones that I was telling you
about.
He said, It appears that he issticking closest to what the
(17:28):
boss taught.
But as I shared last time, hesaid he's got an ego problem.
If he includes himself in thoseteachings, run from him.
And I never forgot that.
SPEAKER_01 (17:38):
Gotcha, gotcha.
SPEAKER_03 (17:39):
As soon as I heard him including himself in the
teaching, I said, you know what?
Time for me to get time for meto get out of here.
And what what year was that?
Approximately 1993, 94, when Ithey started saying that he was
the messenger or the apostle orthe beloved of God, just the the
divine reminder, divine this,divine that.
(18:01):
But the what caught my ear wasMessenger of Allah and the
Apostle.
And I said, The only apostlethat I'm here for is the
honorable Elijah Muhammad.
SPEAKER_02 (18:09):
Oh man, we got some questions in the chat, man.
Uh, so here we go.
Uh uh, how did it get fromMuhammad speaks to the final
quote?
You're still talking about thenewspaper.
Yeah, we're still talking aboutthe newspaper at this point.
Talking about the newspaper,brother.
SPEAKER_03 (18:24):
Yeah, and then the name of the newspaper is not
that's I mean, the the messengeralso published a newspaper
called Salam Magazine.
So that we're not talking aboutthe name, we're not talking
about the newspaper.
I'm talking about theincorporated entity.
Messenger Muhammad neverincorporated the nation of
Islam, never incorporatedMuhammad speaks, never
incorporated any of that.
(18:45):
So there's a difference in thenewspapers and the incorporated
entity.
See, this is how our people arefooled so easily, they don't
understand the nuances of this,and no one's ever explained it
to them.
SPEAKER_02 (18:58):
This is so deep, man.
Okay, so the reason I say thatis because, you know, um, you
know, I study with the Moors foryears and things like that, and
um, and uh that's the biggest,that's one of the I don't want
to say that is the biggest, butI'm gonna say that is one of the
issues that some Moors have withothers.
(19:20):
Some Moors call um uh someMoorish groups the Inc.
because they're incorporated,you know, under the 501c3, and
they're not an ingredient tothat.
And they say that the ProphetNoble Dali did not set up the
organization that way.
You get what I'm saying?
(19:41):
So yeah, yeah, I understand.
That's why this is sointeresting.
So uh the next thing I want touh want to go into this next
one.
Um uh so this podcast tonight isalone is the very reason that
people call uh Lewis Farrakhan asellout.
Please elaborate.
I always wondered why peoplecall him that.
SPEAKER_03 (20:05):
I can't speak to whether he's a sellout or not.
I can't speak to the facts ofwhat the organization has has
done.
Uh, I don't know what whether hebelieves sincerely what they
teach now, or whether that wouldbe what if he's if he doesn't
sincerely believe it, that wouldbe a sellout, or if he but if he
thinks that he is something withthe messenger, but I can't
(20:26):
really speak to answer whetherhe's a sellout or not.
I don't I don't know the heartof the man, I know the moves
that he's made, and I can tellyou those moves that he's made
without having to lie on him.
SPEAKER_02 (20:37):
Okay, there we go.
I like how you answer that,brother.
So now um under the final call,can you explain the final calls,
like your issue with the finalcall?
Uh the your your issue with thefinal call and its um uh its
structure.
SPEAKER_03 (20:58):
Well, that there were very there were minor
things that came up.
The major thing for me was whenthey started calling him apostle
and messenger.
That was enough for me.
But prior to that, there waseven minor things, like even how
the temple is set up.
Under the final callincorporated, the minister under
the honorable Elijah Muhammad,the minister of the of a
numbered temple was the mostpowerful man in the nation of
(21:20):
Islam other than the messengerhimself.
They reported to no one exceptfor the honorable Elijah
Muhammad.
No, they didn't even report tothe national representative of
the radio program.
They didn't report to themeither.
They didn't even report to thesupreme captain, they reported
to no one other than themessenger of Allah.
Under the final callincorporated, uh the captains
(21:44):
run that show over there.
Uh the minute every ministerunder the final call reports to
the supreme captain.
Every minister in a particularstate reports to the state
captain.
And even in some of them templesor mosques, the minister don't
really run it.
He's basically a Bible toter ora Kowan toter.
He's no longer a soldier, he'sno longer the highest ranking
(22:06):
member of that temple, whichthat is what the minister is
supposed to be, the highestranking member of that military
structure.
He's not.
Not it, not a captain runseverything.
The minister very barely goes inand teaches the fruit anymore.
SPEAKER_02 (22:19):
So, how is it structured in the nation of
Islam?
SPEAKER_03 (22:22):
Under the honorable Elijah Muhammad, the minister
ran the temple.
That's it.
That's it.
The only time the captain hadany authority over the minister
was if the minister violated alaw.
And if the captain thought theminister violated a law and he
took uh action on the violationof that law, he better be
(22:45):
correct.
Otherwise, he would lose hispost.
Okay.
The ministers met with themessenger at least twice a
month, face to face.
And I'm when I say face to face,I mean all of the ministers
together will come to Chicago atleast twice a month.
SPEAKER_02 (23:04):
Twice a month.
SPEAKER_03 (23:05):
Twice a month, yes, sir.
That many people, wow, yes, sir.
Uh and even some of the thingsthat we're seeing now, like uh
other minor things.
These were these were minorthings.
It didn't bug.
I I thought it was kind ofstupid, but it didn't bug me
that much at that time.
But you know, the the coloredshirts, the correct uniform for
an FOI.
I'm in what's called Class Auniform, conservative color
(23:27):
suit, white shirt, tie, nationof Islam pin, a button to wear
the repel of your coat thatrepresents a free transportation
of the Holy City Mecca to seeBrother Muhammad upon the
presentation of four devil'sheads at one time.
SPEAKER_01 (23:42):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_03 (23:43):
Crazy loud cover suits now, you know, uh light
blue, pink, uh, red, orangesuits, looking like the mighty
clouds of joy.
That's not our uniform.
Even striped and uh plaid suits,that's not our uniform.
It's a conservative coveredsuit.
Uh even now, fat ministers.
(24:05):
Under the honorable ageMuhammad, he didn't allow no, he
didn't allow no fat ministers,he didn't allow no fat laborers.
Now, I understand some peoplemay have a health condition, but
I'm sorry, there's way too manyministers that got this health
condition where they're grosslyoverweight and obese.
Uh, no, you have to be weigh acertain amount to even be a
(24:26):
laborer under the honorableElijah Muhammad.
SPEAKER_02 (24:29):
You know, uh one of the brothers um said that uh the
FOY suit is to to to keep you tokeep you in shape, is meant to
keep you tight in shape aroundthe around the belly and all
that.
SPEAKER_03 (24:45):
That's what he he told me.
You know what?
That is one way to look at it.
Yeah, if you got your suit, yougot your suit tailored, you can
tell by putting your suit onwhether you have gained weight
or not, even and you don't evenhave to jump on the scale.
SPEAKER_02 (24:57):
No, I'm talking about the FOI uniform.
SPEAKER_03 (24:59):
Oh, you're talking about the uniform, yeah.
Well, yeah, the I mean theuniform is basically cut like it
cut like a suit as well, yes,sir.
SPEAKER_02 (25:06):
Right, right, right, right.
So, okay, so those things havechanged.
I I also saw a brother uh withgold teeth.
And uh yeah, yeah, I saw abrother with gold.
He had everything right, but hehad gold teeth.
And I said, Can you you can yoube a part of the FOI and wear
gold teeth?
SPEAKER_03 (25:27):
Yeah, I mean, we do have certain grooming standards.
Now we do know that you knowpeople are coming in.
If there's a time period in thetransition period, and yeah, we
okay, if let's say if it's agold tooth.
We understand, brother, that youknow, dental work is expensive.
But yes, brother, you know, anduntil such time as you are able
to get that corrected, sir.
Uh you can, of course, you canattend and everything.
(25:49):
You just won't be able to holdpost until such time as you're
able to get that corrected.
Because we want to present thebest face forward for our
people.
So it's not gonna be we're notgonna make a big deal about it
with that person.
It's just that right now youcan't hold post, brother, until
you get that together.
Okay, you don't you don't wantto groom all the way and cut
your hair all the way?
No problem, brother.
You're out in uniform, you justcan't hold post right now.
(26:12):
So we understand with our peopleit's a process, right?
SPEAKER_02 (26:15):
So right now, can I hold post?
Looks like it.
SPEAKER_03 (26:23):
You look cleaner than the day that I first talked
to you, brother.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (26:28):
Now, um the final call, how it's structured as a
501c3.
Is any way we can find that?
Because I was trying to, I waslooking for it.
SPEAKER_03 (26:39):
Uh I'm not I'm not very aware of where to find
those records.
I mean, they are public records,so there you can find them.
But I would I would try thecook, uh, I would first try in
Cook County.
That's that's the uh the countythat Chicago's is based in.
SPEAKER_02 (26:55):
Okay, so uh I would so I look that up, Cook County.
Uh I know I know uh I know thosewho are into looking for these
things.
Uh uh Ben, I'm I'm probably sureyou know where to look for it,
where to find it.
Help a brother out.
Let's find the final call andhow that that organization is
structured.
SPEAKER_03 (27:13):
So if we can they they have to, you know, when
you're when you're a uh anincorporation like that, you
have to file quarterly reports,you have to have a uh management
structure, you have to haveofficers, you've got to file
your your your tax paperwork,you have to do all kinds of
things, otherwise, you allow thedevil in.
Even when you do it perfectly,he still is allowed to come in
(27:33):
because now it's not yours, it'shis.
You become a creature of thedevil, you become a fiction of
the devil.
SPEAKER_02 (27:41):
You become again, you become a corporation, where
my more is at?
SPEAKER_03 (27:47):
You become a corporation.
Allah came to free you, and thenyou put yourself right back in
bondage to him, a different typeof bondage, but now you gotta
answer to him again.
SPEAKER_02 (27:58):
Yo, I know the more is loving this.
Uh, brother minister uh Aliabout how final call ask Brother
Minister Ali about how FinalCall Inc.
pronounces the savior's namedifferently than the messenger.
SPEAKER_03 (28:13):
That's that's brother.
That's another one.
That's another one.
Now, this didn't happen.
I don't know exactly when thishappened.
I'm just guessing this issometime in the last five to ten
or twelve years or so, but nowthey the messenger told us how
to pronounce the savior's name,spelled F-A-R-D in English.
It is Farad.
Farad, even though there's no Aafter the R, it is Farad.
(28:35):
During the Japanese interview,the Japanese interviewers were
trying to ask Messenger Muhammadabout the savior and how to
pronounce the name, and theytried to say it, and he said,
No, no, farad.
Now, where this Farrd came from,I don't know, but that's how
somebody, that's how an OrthodoxMuslim would say it.
(28:55):
Farrd.
We are not Orthodox Muslims.
Our native language is notArabic.
Uh, just like you have achildren, I have children, we
can spell our child child's nameanyway, but we tell people how
to pronounce it.
Uh, John Muhammad and my mentor,John Muhammad and David Bachal,
they both had children whosedaughters whose names were
M-A-R-Y-A-M, Mariam.
(29:18):
John Muhammad pronounced itMariam.
He said, This is my daughterMariam.
And David Bachal said, This ismy daughter, Maya.
But they were spelled the sameway.
The messenger was with thesavior three years and nearly a
half.
You're gonna tell me he don'tknow how to pronounce the man's
name, the God's name thattrained him day and night and
night and day.
Now you're gonna let somebodyelse tell you how to pronounce
(29:40):
it.
It's it's craziness, brother.
But again, that's that's anotherthing.
Seems minor, but it's not minor.
God gave us the man who knowsthe God and knows his name the
best.
Now we but would now we know howto pronounce it better.
SPEAKER_02 (29:55):
Right, so Farad.
SPEAKER_03 (29:57):
Farad.
SPEAKER_02 (29:58):
Ferrad.
And Farrad, that I heard I thinkI heard uh uh uh minister
Farrakhan uh say that.
SPEAKER_04 (30:07):
Far.
SPEAKER_02 (30:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (30:09):
The messenger told us how to pronounce it.
You can follow the messenger oryou can follow other people.
It's up to you.
Choice is yours.
Gotcha.
So now there's a uh and brother,I don't mean it and even some of
the other quote-unquoteorthodoxy, like uh like having
Juma on Friday.
Messenger Elijah Muhammad neverhad no Juma for us on Friday.
(30:32):
Uh, this saying of talk beer ofAhu Akbar, talk beer of Ahu
Akbar.
The messenger never had us doingthat.
Where did that come from?
That comes from Orthodox.
That comes from Wallace.
Wallace started doing that.
Interesting.
We don't we don't call funeralsJanazah, we're not orthodox
(30:54):
Muslims, we call it a funeral,and we have a particular way to
conduct the funeral as well.
SPEAKER_02 (31:00):
Okay, so final call has taken the people more to
Sunni Islam, is what you'resaying.
SPEAKER_03 (31:09):
I would tend to say so.
Okay, and again, that's whoMinister Farrakhan followed
Wallace for three for three anda half years, and then even
after following him for threeand a half years and saying he
left him, he brought him back toSavior's Day in 2000, and now
he's implementing all theseideas which are from orthodoxy
Islam that the messenger waswell aware of these uh these
(31:32):
rituals and these names, yeah,and he never implemented for
them for us.
Why?
Because he is giving us a newIslam, it's altogether new, only
the five basic principles remainthe same, otherwise, it's
altogether new.
SPEAKER_02 (31:48):
All right, what would the five principles be?
SPEAKER_03 (31:51):
Prayer, charity, belief in Allah, fasting, and uh
what's the fifth one?
Some people would say it'spilgrimage.
There's another fifth one that'sthat's slipping my mind.
Some people say it's pilgrimage,it's a different one, it's
another one as well.
But those are just basicprinciples.
That pilgrimage for us is not ais not a trip to uh to uh Mecca
(32:16):
Arabia.
Uh our transportation is to seeBrother Muhammad here in the
wilderness and hells of NorthAmerica.
That's what our reward is.
Our pilgrimage is to reunitewith him and the God that he
represents.
That's our pilgrimage, not sevencircuits around a building, but
cleaving close to the wordcoming from the mouth of God in
(32:40):
the person of his messenger, thehonorable Elijah Muhammad.
That's our pilgrimage.
SPEAKER_02 (32:45):
Gotcha.
I got a question up here.
Uh, thank you, Dre.
Uh that the brother fromFacebook, I think so.
What's up, brother?
Uh brother.
Can you talk about the lie thatmessenger had more than one
wife?
SPEAKER_03 (33:02):
Yes.
Uh I've never heard thehonorable Elijah Muhammad was
interviewed numerous times.
Every time he was interviewed,he would talk about his one wife
and his six, excuse me, hiseight children, six sons and and
two daughters.
This idea that he had more thanone wife is is the very idea
that started spreading, whichgot Malcolm in trouble.
(33:22):
This is the very idea thatstarted spreading, and it was
condemned in the MuhammadSpeaks.
I believe back in '93, and thisis another thing that was minor,
that that had me raising myeyebrows.
In 93, Louis Farkan's Savior'sDay, he brought out these
quote-unquote wives on stage.
Two of them, one was TanetaMuhammad, the other two were
Evelyn and Lucille, and I thinkthe other one was June.
(33:45):
I can't remember the fifth.
Well, Evelyn and Lucille werecondemned in the Muhammad
Speaks.
We got it, we got the issue, wegot the paper.
They were called prostitutes inthe Muhammad Speaks for telling
such a lie on the honorableElijah Muhammad.
(34:07):
Now, would the honorable ElijahMuhammad allow one of his
ministers to call his wivesprostitutes in his paper?
That doesn't even make sense.
Malcolm was trying to get themto perpetuate this lie, and they
were lying when Lewis Farrakhanuh tried to get them to
(34:27):
perpetuate the same lie.
Now, here's the rub many ofthose children may be related to
the messenger.
Okay.
Go ahead, brother.
Okay.
Many of those children may verywell be related to the
messenger.
Okay, how is that?
(34:48):
Come on, brother.
How many sons the messengerhave?
Right, okay.
I get what you're saying.
They were a bunch of scoundrels,brother.
Two of them ended up with uhCaucasian women.
They said, Well, well, this onelooks just like the messengers.
Okay, that could be themessenger's grandchild.
Right.
You probably got you probablygot children now, brother, that
(35:10):
look like your mother or father,or your wife's mother and
father, and don't look nothinglike you or your wife.
Sometimes children look morelike the grandparents.
That's how it happens.
But no, we never heard themessenger say this.
Matter of fact, in the duringtheology of time, which wasn't
theology of time at that time,we had an eight-year-old Ishmael
(35:31):
Dinar teaching and addressingtemple number two during the
theology of time.
Ishmael Dinar.
During 1963, Savior's Day, whenuh the messenger was uh ill, and
Malcolm and Taneta Dinar taughtduring that savior's day.
(35:51):
I believe it was 63.
It was one of those savior daysprior to 65 that the messenger
was sick and couldn't teach.
Her name was Taneta Dinar.
Messenger said he named herDinar because she liked money,
who later went out and hooked upafter 75 with Yusuf Bey.
(36:16):
And Rasul, before he passed,said many times that Yusuf Bey
raised him like a father.
That's all I'm gonna get intothat kind of madness and mess
that went on out there.
SPEAKER_02 (36:27):
But that would went on for years, brother Dre Dre
24, brother.
I'm just like shocked.
I'm super shocked that all thiswas going on.
This is like a mess.
SPEAKER_03 (36:42):
Brother, the the the Caucasian people deal with us
like they deal with any nation.
Any nation like America hasallies and it has enemies.
America spies on both, but asenemies, the America does
everything they can to keeptheir enemies and potential
enemies destabilized.
(37:04):
They will set up de factogovernments, leaders in exiles,
opposition leaders who areliving in London or uh Los
Angeles or in uh Melbourne whoare talking against the
legitimate government or thereal government that's back in
the homeland.
You got these other puppets setup by America talking about they
the real government.
This is to keep up confusionamongst the people because a
(37:27):
confused people do nothing.
And if we're trying to get aconfused people to join on to
become a nation, that becomeseven harder when you got America
setting up and backing puppetleaders to lead them in a wrong
direction.
They first tried it withMalcolm, next they tried it with
Wallace.
(37:47):
Wallace wasn't charismaticenough, so the next thing they
tried it with, in my opinion,they tried it with Louis
Farrakhan.
During that time after 1975,after the departure of the
messenger, September 75, therewas a party at Muhammad's Temple
number two.
And when I say party, I mean aliteral party.
(38:09):
Dancing, drinking, sweetheartingwith unsingle people,
sweethearting with interracialcouples.
One of the persons that wasthere was Phil Donahue.
Later on, after 1975, about 10years later, the first major
national uh interview that LouisFarcon did was on the Phil
Donahue show in 1985.
This is where he was thrust onthe scene of national America.
(38:31):
And I know that he was fillingup arenas before that.
25,000 in New York, MadisonSquare Garden for power at last
forever.
Still, the average black personstill didn't know who Farkan was
until he got on Donahue show in85 and in 90.
Then later on, of course, weknow in 92, or excuse me, uh in
95, uh the Million Man OutdoorPicnic and the rest of his
(38:53):
history.
SPEAKER_02 (38:55):
Indeed, indeed.
So uh final call when it whenwhen everything changed into
being the final call, uhMinister Lewis Farrakhan started
taking him more into SunniIslam.
So if we if we could take youknow make a comparison between
the messengers' teachings andwhere Lewis Farrakhan took the
(39:17):
teachings, what would you saywould be the the difference if
we had to put everything onpaper and you know and uh and
give a clear picture for peopleto understand?
SPEAKER_03 (39:28):
The biggest clear picture that I can give you
right now is I don't rememberthe exact year we got the quote,
but he said it several times,that we do not he's when he said
we that his organization, whichthey call it the Nation of Islam
as well.
I'm just telling you what theincorporated date is.
We do not pray to Master FaradMuhammad.
He said that the messenger saidit we do pray to Master Farad
(39:51):
Muhammad.
That's the biggest differenceright there.
Whether you agree that MasterFarad Muhammad is Allah or not,
the biggest difference is themessenger prays to the Savior,
the Messenger and his followers,and the final call to teach us
we don't pray to Master FaradMuhammad.
Matter of fact, his ministersget so confused sometimes, like
Ishmael about three years agowhen he did the Savior's Day,
(40:12):
the first Savior's Day thatFarrakhan wasn't able to do
after a while.
He Ishmael stood up there andsaid, We don't pray to Master
Farad Muhammad during Savior'sDay.
And then he had to come back aweek later and correct and say,
Oh, we do pray to Master FaradMuhammad.
Wait a minute, I thought yourmother was the great Taneda
Muhammad.
You're supposed to be the son ofthe messenger, you don't know
who we pray to.
It's because he has fallen forwhat Louis Farrakhan teaches,
(40:35):
that we don't pray to him.
So it's very confusing forpeople who are trying to walk
this line between what themessenger teaches and what the
honorable Elijah Muhammadteaches.
But that's the biggest one,right there is who we pray to.
unknown (40:48):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (40:48):
Next big one is who the messenger is.
SPEAKER_02 (40:51):
Okay, let's get into that.
SPEAKER_03 (40:53):
The messenger is the honorable Elijah Muhammad.
SPEAKER_02 (40:56):
And Lewis, Minister Lewis Farrakhan doesn't teach
that.
SPEAKER_03 (41:00):
He also teaches that him and his people teach that
he's a messenger and an apostle.
He teaches that they're teachingthat he's a messiah, he's the
messiah, a messiah, the messiah.
They play these word games.
I don't care how you what whatidentifier you put in front of
it.
There's one messiah in thenation of Islam, Master Farad
Muhammad to whom praise is dueforever.
(41:20):
And there's one messenger in thenation of Islam, the honorable
Elijah Muhammad.
There's one great Medid.
They were calling Farrakhan theMedik.
But that's nothing unusualbecause when Wallace took over,
they were calling Wallace theChrist Madid.
So there's nothing new.
Everybody wants to be somethingbig.
SPEAKER_02 (41:40):
Uh the brother from the new Black Panther Party
asks, uh, what's the Masonicinvolvement?
SPEAKER_03 (41:46):
The Masonic involvement in the final call.
SPEAKER_02 (41:51):
I I guess I would say, I guess he's asking for
let's say for both, for bothfinal call in uh in the nation
of Islam.
SPEAKER_03 (41:58):
Okay, the Masonic involvement under the honorable
Elijah Muhammad is the honorableElijah Muhammad was a Mason
prior to meeting Master FaradMuhammad.
SPEAKER_02 (42:07):
Hold on, hold on.
Yeah, I just heard that, right?
I know y'all heard that.
Can you say that one more time,brother?
Just for the people in the back.
SPEAKER_03 (42:16):
The honorable Elijah Muhammad either was a registered
Mason or was very close to theMasons prior to meeting Master
Farad Muhammad.
SPEAKER_01 (42:26):
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_03 (42:28):
He said Masonry Ben is like the first three degrees
of Masonry is the keys to yourslavery.
unknown (42:37):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (42:37):
Now's Farrakhan, he actually has joined the Masons
within the last 10 years.
SPEAKER_02 (42:46):
I think I saw that online somewhere.
SPEAKER_03 (42:49):
He was wearing the regalia.
I don't know if he I don't knowtheir process of initiation.
I don't know if he became aregular initiate or if he's
honorary, but he put on theregalia and joined the masons,
just like he put on the regaliaand joined Omega Psi 5.
We don't join these othercreatures of the devil, brother.
(43:10):
Masonry is we gave Masonry tothe devil so that they can clean
themselves up and come amongstus, right?
SPEAKER_01 (43:16):
Study for 35 years.
SPEAKER_03 (43:21):
It originally was not for us, but Prince Hall
heard and saw a little bit ofit, and he started what he
thought was good for blackpeople the Prince Hall Masons or
the Black Masons.
So I hope I'm answering thequestion of the connection.
Uh Louis Farrakhan is a memberof the Masons now.
He became a Muslim in 1955.
(43:43):
We don't join theseorganizations after we know the
truth that God gave themessenger.
This it's inferior wisdom to us.
We have supreme wisdom.
We don't need we don't join onto them, they join on to us.
SPEAKER_02 (43:59):
Gotcha.
Makes sense, makes sense.
So now another thing that'schanged.
Um, so so in in the final call,you gotta write a letter, right?
You got to do the same letter.
SPEAKER_03 (44:10):
Correct.
Last I heard.
I don't know, I don't know now.
I believe they still do theletter, but I'm not 100% sure.
SPEAKER_02 (44:20):
Okay, and the whole process of going into the FOI
and all that is pretty much thesame.
Last you heard.
SPEAKER_03 (44:28):
Last I heard, I mean, uh, they've had several of
these open meetings, these men'sonly meetings.
That really wasn't really doneunder the messenger.
They've also had this propensityfor uh outdoor meetings.
The messenger told hisministers, you know, I wouldn't
do that if I were you.
Of course, he didn't tell themnot to do it, he said, I
wouldn't do it if I was you.
You know, Farrakhan had thefirst big outdoor meeting in
(44:51):
1972 at Randall's Island, he had72,000 there.
And then when he went back tothe labor's meeting, he said,
Well, the messenger asked himhow many people accepted.
And of course, he he asked thesecretary, he didn't know.
Because when you were outdoorslike that, you have no, you have
no control over who's there, youcan't take down a guest
registry, you can't doacceptances correctly, you can't
(45:12):
even secure it correctly.
This is what also Malcolm wantedto do, wanted to have these
large outdoor rallies, very uhvery a very insecure
environment.
I mean, we we we saw whathappened to Charlie Kirk in an
outdoor rally, as you can't youcan't secure it.
We have our meetings indoors andsecure the venue for a reason.
(45:38):
But you want to do a million-manmarch, you want to have two
million people show up?
Okay, luckily, nothing happened,right?
SPEAKER_02 (45:48):
Right, indeed.
So now uh those okay, nowanother thing I wanted to ask
was um temple and mosque.
Why not a temple anymore in nowa mosque?
I mean, well, I guess forobvious reasons, right?
If you want to take some peopleinto being more Sunni, then
Well, I I can't I don't have areal under the messenger.
SPEAKER_03 (46:10):
The the term temple and mosque were uh used almost
interchangeably under themessenger.
Oh, they were okay.
Yeah, they yeah, they were kindof used interchangeably.
He he defined, he said a templeis where you learn and where you
are taught.
A mosque is where you go topray, but they were used
interchangeably under themessenger, the name temple and
mosque.
Matter of fact, you if you golook in the old Muhammad speaks,
(46:31):
you will see the list of youknow mosques around the country,
and they're called you know,mosque number 32, mosque number
16, or or whatever.
So I don't there's not a big nota big issue there with the name
per se, it's more what goes onthere.
We didn't have no juma, right?
We didn't have no janaza.
SPEAKER_02 (46:51):
Indeed.
Now, another thing is um Iremember going into uh uh what
is it, mosque number seven on inin in Harlem.
I went in there one day, and umthe women and the men were
separated.
That's just a natural that's anormal thing in the nation of
Islam.
SPEAKER_03 (47:11):
Yeah, yeah, that's normal during the the temple
meeting is to have the brothersit on one side, the sister sit
on another, and any male, and Iforget, any any male child under
uh forget what the age is cansit on the side with his mother.
But as soon as we're able,they're encouraged to go and sit
with the men.
SPEAKER_01 (47:30):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (47:30):
So that's not, and then and and that's for security
purposes.
Because we will we will evaluatethe venue, see the where the
most vulnerable place is, and wewill place the the men uh at at
the most vulnerable place as aprotection for any trouble
getting to the women first.
It's all scientific while we dothis.
SPEAKER_02 (47:50):
Check, check.
Now, here's a question here.
Um, is the ex outdated?
Shouldn't it be Muhammad by now?
SPEAKER_03 (47:56):
No, I would say the ex is not outdated.
When we come in, the first thingwe all receive is an X to X out
the name of the X slave master.
So I went from Kevin Tisdale toKevin X Tisdale in uh 1991 when
I officially got on forms.
And then when my not not untiluh not until 1997, when my
(48:22):
daughter was born, did I eventhink about Ali.
And that's another thing.
No minister has the right togive out holy names.
I didn't get my holy name from aminister.
In the absence of the messenger,now this is just my
interpretation.
I want to be clear, this is myinterpretation of my
understanding.
In the absence of the messenger,the messenger named several of
(48:45):
his laborers and other keypeople, he gave them holy names,
but he said, I don't want to getthe messenger said, I don't want
to get so smart to where I'mnaming all the people.
That's his job, meaning Allah.
So the messenger named a fewpeople.
Well, Farrakhan one day went inthere and named the whole room,
everybody became Muhammad.
(49:05):
Now, having said that, well, howdo you get how'd you get a holy
name?
I believe this is my belief.
When you write that letter,you're asking Allah for your
holy name.
That is a prayer and acommunication between you and
Allah.
I, as a minister, have no rightto get in between that
communication.
So if you now say your name, youbelieve your family's name is uh
(49:27):
Hassan, I'm not gonna tell youno different.
I'm gonna call you BrotherHassan.
If uh, if and when I'm askedabout it, uh brother minister,
did you give that man that holyname?
No, sir.
I did not give him that holyname.
That is a name that he chose forhimself.
I explained to him what the Xis, and I told him what your
procedure are, dear holyapostle.
(49:48):
I may be wrong for callingmyself Ali, but no one told me
to do it.
I did it.
I believe that is that is my theanswer to my prayer, the answer
to the letter that I wrote toour Savior, Master Farad
Muhammad, to whom praise do forhim forever, care of his
messenger.
I hope that made sense, brother.
SPEAKER_02 (50:09):
Yes, sir.
Now, what what's your thoughtson um okay?
So, for what I understand, thenation of Islam has adopted not
Scientology, but the techniqueof auditing.
Now, here's the thing (50:21):
uh, we're gonna have a podcast on that
Friday, uh a Friday at seveno'clock, uh, with with uh two
brothers who knows uhScientology like in depth and
studied it for years for a lotof different reasons.
Now, um, one of them, his nameis Ishmael Bay.
SPEAKER_03 (50:43):
Now, he was saying Well, yeah, I know Brother
Ishmael from Las Vegas.
I know him very well.
SPEAKER_02 (50:48):
Yeah, he's originally from Syracuse.
SPEAKER_03 (50:51):
That's right, yeah.
That's Sarge.
He said he's in Vegas.
SPEAKER_02 (50:53):
He's in Vegas.
SPEAKER_03 (50:54):
I was on a couple of programs with him, yes, sir.
SPEAKER_02 (50:56):
Now, um what he was he his in-depth knowledge of
Scientology, I can't evenexpound on.
But from what I understand, isthat the nation of Islam has
taken upon the technique ofauditing.
Now, what do you know aboutthat?
And okay, are you indisagreement with auditing?
SPEAKER_03 (51:18):
Here's here's what they say.
They and again they try to playword games, they try to tell you
that Scientology and Dianeticsare two different things.
They're trying to say that we'renot Scientologists, that we're
just using the technology.
Well, this cell phone righthere, this is technology.
Uh this this air Apple AirTag,that's technology.
(51:39):
Technology works.
The air tag is supposed to tellyou where it is at all times,
and when it does that, it works.
The technology of Scientology orDiagnetics is supposed to
produce what's known as a clear.
A clear is a person, anindividual who now exhibits
certain characteristics.
A clear can do this, a clear cando that, a clear can do that, a
(52:01):
clear does not forget, a clearhas uh recall, memory, all these
different things that a clearcan do.
In the entire history ofScientology or diagnetics, it
has not produced not one personwho can do all those things that
a quote unquote clear person cando.
(52:22):
They haven't cleared one personyet, but now you're calling it
technology.
Well, if it doesn't work, itain't technology, it doesn't
work.
They hold these two thingscalled an e-meter that mat what
it really measuring is measuringthe galvanic skin response.
All of us are full ofelectricity, and when you grab
those two uh red and blackthings from Radio Shack, it's
(52:43):
gonna make the needle move.
But what they do to theuninitiated is they put it on a
silver can and they havesomebody talking to you, and as
soon as it moves, they say, Oh,look, there's an M gram, and we
gotta talk until that M gramgoes away.
Brother, this is not technology,it's a circus show.
Scientology and dianetics wascondemned in the Muhammad Speaks
(53:06):
as spook worship, but not justspooks as relying on electronic
devices and now instead of nowrelying on spooks.
It's just another form ofChristianity, another form of
spook worship.
If you look at the if you lookat the symbol of Scientology,
and if you look at the symbol ofthe CIA, and if you look at the
symbol of the people's temple ofJim Jones, the Kool-Aid cult,
(53:29):
they all look the same becausethey're all psy-ops of the same
CIA central intelligence psy-op,Scientology, Dianetics, People's
Temple.
That's why they got the samesymbols.
SPEAKER_02 (53:46):
Yo, Dre 24, Radio Shack.
That's what had me like, whoa,that was funny.
Yo, man.
Um, on that note, brother, uh, Iwould like for you to come back
again and let's keep building onthis subject right here because
this one is the subject.
Uh, hold on.
SPEAKER_03 (54:02):
Can you see that?
SPEAKER_02 (54:03):
Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_03 (54:04):
Google CIA, and you'll see that that multi-sot
star, and then then Google thechurch of Scientology symbol and
the people's temple symbol, andyou see that that they all look
the same.
SPEAKER_02 (54:18):
On that note, brother, thank you for coming
out this evening.
I really appreciate you.
Asalam Aleikum first of all.
SPEAKER_03 (54:23):
Yeah, we got we got to do part two of this, brother.
SPEAKER_02 (54:25):
Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_03 (54:27):
For sure.
Thank you for having me,brother.
And I I I pray I didn't offendanybody, that's not my intent.
Just to put the information outthere is my intent.
You can do with it what youwill.
I don't mean to offend anyone.
SPEAKER_02 (54:39):
That's peace.
On that note, thank you guys forcoming out this evening.
We have a podcast in about fiveminutes.
We're talking about um uh thedivine, I forgot the name of it,
pardon me, y'all.
But you'll see in a few minutes,we are on with the more uh uh
Lloyd Michael Douglas L, and weare out of here.
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What's the difference?
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All right, all right, all right.
We're back, we're back, we'reback.
I wish I had the uh I wish I hadthe uh clapping sounds.
I'm gonna get all of that backon my roadcaster, you know, to
make it a uh more complete show.
But anyway, we're here.
SPEAKER_03 (01:44):
Brother, I I like that commercial.
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Yeah, thank you.
I like that.
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It sets the right tone for the show.
I love it.
SPEAKER_02 (01:51):
Indeed.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you, sir.
So we're we're here, MinisterKevin Ali.
We're gonna build on Nation ofIslam versus the Final Call.
Now, I'm not saying it's yourfor.
I'm not saying it's your for.
I'm just saying I've never heardthis ever before until I met the
brother Minister Kevin Ali.
(02:12):
I've never heard of uh, Ithought Farrakhan and his
following was under the nationof Islam.
Even technically, if we if we gointo the lessons we speak
technically, they are, right?
But as far as the organizationand the way it's structured,
it's not quite like the uh uh umhonorable minister, uh sorry,
(02:38):
honorable Elijah Muhammad set itup, right?
And and just to just to um giveyou a little history, the Moors
have the same issue, if you knowanything about the Moors.
So some Moors say the ProphetNobu Drew Ali set up the uh MST
of A one way, and some Moors sayno, they set it up another way,
(03:00):
and sellouts came and took over,and there's a whole thing
surrounding that.
So it seems like it's kind ofsort of the same thing in this
case.
So uh if you can give me somebackground of uh how did the
nation of Islam change into thefinal call, that would really
(03:20):
set it off.
SPEAKER_03 (03:22):
Well, the the what we know as the final call
incorporate is just the most uhnationally recognized
organization or branch claimingthe legacy of the honorable
Elijah Muhammad and the Nationof Islam.
You have uh Mr.
Silas Muhammad out of Atlanta,you have uh you have others who
have set up Nation of Islamorganizations.
(03:43):
You had what's the uh thebrother in Oakland, who I'm
forgetting, your black Muslimbakery, uh Yusuf Bey.
Uh you've had the messenger'sblood brother, John Muhammad in
Shicai in uh Detroit.
You had uh Jeremiah Shabazz whostuck with the messenger
teachings.
Lewis Farrakhan and hisorganization, which is known as
the Final Call Incorporated as a501c3, is just the most
(04:05):
well-nationally known branch, ifyou will, of the nation of Islam
that have represented under theteachings of the honorable
Elijah Muhammad.
Now, as you have pointed out,there have been many differences
added to all thoseorganizations, uh, in particular
the final call incorporated.
SPEAKER_02 (04:24):
Okay, so you mentioned some names.
You mentioned Yusuf Bey, youmentioned Silas.
Um, those are two names that Ikeep hearing uh going through my
own personal journey.
Um do you know anything aboutthose brothers' organization and
how that's set up, or no?
SPEAKER_03 (04:42):
I don't know the details of Yusuf Bey's
organization, just in general,that he was very uh prominent in
the uh Oakland, San FranciscoBay Area.
But exactly how it was set up, Icould not tell you exactly.
I know a little more about SilasMuhammad's organization.
Uh, he is the chief executiveofficer of that lost found
nation of Islam.
(05:03):
Uh they in short, they thefollowers of Silas look to Mr.
Silas Muhammad as the followersof Minister Farrakhan look to
Minister Farrakhan in general.
He is the the word amongst them.
He he is the final say.
Uh they believe that he is thefulfillment of several
scriptural prophecies.
And again, that's the contentionthat you know the messenger
(05:24):
never said that either anyoneelse fulfilled these scriptures
uh other than himself and theguide he represents, including
Minister Farrakhan, including uhuh Mr.
Silas Mohammed.
All right.
I got some people.
Who by the way, we have verygood relations with Mr.
Silas Mohammed.
He's always tried to be abrother to us who were trying to
stick to strictly stick to whatthe messenger teaches, including
(05:46):
with my mentor, mentors who arepassed away, Minister John
Muhammad and Minister DavidBacha.
Silas has always been verybalanced.
He's always Mr.
Silas Mohammed's always beenvery balanced, always very
brotherly, as well as hisfollowers and brothers.
They've always treated us withlove and open arms and
brotherhood.
SPEAKER_01 (06:03):
Oh, wow, okay.
SPEAKER_03 (06:04):
I can't say the same for others.
SPEAKER_02 (06:07):
Wow, wow, wow.
So Silas is still here or he'sgone.
SPEAKER_03 (06:11):
No, he's he's still he's still living.
Uh he's he's still he's probablyin his late 80s, early 90s, but
he's still around.
Uh he's still doing his work.
I don't know where he lives.
I've heard the last day he liveson one of the islands, uh, not
Jamaica, but one of the VirginIslands.
I'm I'm not sure.
But his accusation is stillstill in there working the work.
He they do a lot of work withthe United Nations in trying to
(06:35):
get reparations for Afrodescendants.
Again, that's I don't agree withthat work in particular from the
perspective of Messenger, but Idon't down that work either.
SPEAKER_02 (06:45):
Right.
Uh uh, thank you.
Uh oh uh is this the sistersaying, is it a sister?
Uh saying uh uh um asalamalaykum walaikum salaam alaikum
salaam peace to the god peace togod Rashan Allah Black Power uh
Black Power Brother uh MBP newBlack Panther Party.
(07:08):
Peace to you, brother, peace toyou.
Uh so let's go into it.
So um so Silas is still alive.
I didn't know that.
Okay, doing work in the VirginIslands.
This is some great information.
Now, Yusuf Bey, how did he getYusuf Bey from the Nation of
Islam?
That's you know, that's aninteresting name.
SPEAKER_03 (07:29):
He he started he started uh a business called
Your Black Muslim Bakerysometime in the late 60s, early
70s there in Oakland.
And then that somehow after1975, after the departure of the
messenger, he turned that bakeryor transitioned that bakery to
add in actual meetings andmeeting times and lectures.
(07:51):
That's the extent of what Iknow.
I'm just not out there.
We do we are in contact with abrother who was a member of uh
of his organization out there inOakland, but I've never he he
doesn't have a presence reallyoutside of the West Coast that
I'm aware of.
Okay, okay, and and he he hehimself passed away several
years ago.
I know his his one of his bloodsons had tried to keep the
(08:12):
organization going.
I don't know if that's stillgoing like it once was.
SPEAKER_02 (08:17):
Okay, okay.
Uh, we got someone uh lovesSilas Mohammed and John Muhammad
can't mess with Yusuf Bey.
He was messing.
I don't even want to say thatbecause I don't even know if
that's true, right?
SPEAKER_03 (08:29):
I and I I don't either.
I though there's a there'salways rumors about everybody.
I don't we try not to deal withrumors, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:36):
For real.
That is not what I do.
Um, so now we said SaizMuhammad, we spoke about Yusuf
Bey.
I was just wondering how did heget from go from you know the
messengers teachers into the Baypart, but I don't think maybe
you don't know that.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (08:53):
Well, the the messenger did name several of
his a number of followers.
He named them Bay, or as he orthe correct way he said to
pronounce it is Biah.
That's that's not an unusualname for somebody in the nation
of Islam.
Bay is not an unusual name.
Oh, yeah, the messenger did givethat name out, yes.
SPEAKER_02 (09:10):
Oh man, you uh you're gonna start some stuff
with that one right there.
Uh-oh.
Whoa, whoa, hold on.
That's a bomb.
Whoa.
SPEAKER_03 (09:20):
Biah, Sharif, Hassan, Hussein, uh uh Ali.
There's a number of names thatthe messenger gave out.
That you made uh uh Sham Sadin.
SPEAKER_02 (09:33):
What about L?
Any L's in there?
SPEAKER_03 (09:35):
Not that I'm aware of.
Okay, not that I'm aware of.
SPEAKER_02 (09:40):
They are okay.
Interesting, interesting.
Uh Joetta.
All right.
SPEAKER_03 (09:51):
We know who that is.
Oh, oh, right.
SPEAKER_02 (09:58):
Right.
So now um let's go into it.
So final call, nation of Islam.
The messenger passed on in uh1975.
SPEAKER_03 (10:09):
That's what the common belief is, correct?
SPEAKER_02 (10:11):
Okay, the common belief is that he passed on in
1975.
Once that happened, from what Iknow, Wallace Dean took the
organization somewhere else.
Right?
SPEAKER_03 (10:25):
And almost almost immediately took it somewhere
else.
Within six months, took itcompletely somewhere else.
SPEAKER_02 (10:31):
Okay, now when he was in the process of doing
that, the organization of uh uhthe the uh the nation of Islam
was under what?
Was it a 501c3?
Was it how was it structured?
Do you know?
SPEAKER_03 (10:46):
I don't you're talking about under Wallace
still post-centered.
SPEAKER_02 (10:50):
No, no, under under uh uh the minister.
SPEAKER_03 (10:53):
I don't know when I don't know when he got his
501c3, but that was what Wallacedid.
Wallace took uh the quoteunquote nation of Islam, named
it Muslim Mosque Incorporated orMosque Cares, whatever he named
it, and made it a 501c3.
That opened when you when youincorporate under the devil's uh
(11:13):
laws, you make the secretary ofstate a de facto member of your
board, and then they are nowallowed, and you are by law
required to file certainreports, have certain officers
say send financial information.
And if your every I is notcrossed and every every T is not
(11:37):
dotted, you are in trouble, andthat's what and that's how the
that's how America, that's howthe devil drugged Wallace's
organization in the probate andbroke apart all of the
businesses.
The messenger never had us underno nonprofit status, under no
under no 51c3, under no TIN orEIN or tax ID or social security
(11:58):
number, none of that.
We are not that we are a nation.
SPEAKER_02 (12:03):
Yeah, a ben a ben, that's what is exactly what he's
talking about, brother.
I'm laughing because if more seethis right now, they would agree
with you a hundred percent.
Some more, some more would agreewith you a hundred percent.
So, yes, okay.
So so before it turned intowell, 501c3 after Wallace took
(12:28):
over, what was it?
Like, how was it structured?
Was it was it just like uh underthe honorable Elijah Muhammad?
SPEAKER_03 (12:36):
Yes, the honorable Elijah Muhammad is the messenger
of Allah.
The black man is the originalman, the Asiatic black man is
the original, maker, owner,creamer of the planet earth, god
of the universe.
We operate off of divine law.
This supersedes anyconstitutional or regional or
country law, it is divine law.
(12:59):
Our mandate, our manifest comesdirect from Almighty God Allah.
We don't need America or thedevil's paperwork or his tax ID
number, even though we are bynature, which is a nation.
SPEAKER_02 (13:13):
Where the Moors at right now, the Moors are not on
right now, except for a Ben.
A Ben, you're the only Moore onthis joint right now.
You gotta you gotta talk to mein the chat, brother, because
he's he's basically saying a lotof what the Moors say.
All right, so anyway, let's moveon.
So after that, and after that,Wallace Dean takes it over,
(13:38):
501c3, he goes in anotherdirection.
Uh uh Walakum Salam, brother, hegoes in another direction.
Where does the final call comein?
SPEAKER_03 (13:48):
I'm not sure exactly when he got his 501c3, but
approximately three, a littleover three years after 1975,
Louis Farrakhan was Wallace D.
Muhammad's internationalrepresentative.
He actually represented it,represented the position and
theology of Wallace D.
Muhammad better than Wallace D.
Muhammad did.
Wallace D.
(14:09):
Mohammed had his own book oflessons.
Far Kong was teaching out ofthose lessons.
He was promoting Wallace D.
Muhammad as the greatest leaderthat we have ever had.
Somewhere after 1977, 78,somewhere during that time
frame, uh we can go into this indetail in another time, but
somewhere during that time,Wallace put Minister Louis
Farrakhan and Minister JohnMuhammad, temple number 26, San
(14:30):
Francisco, not the messenger'sblood brother, put those two
big, strong ministers in onelittle temple on the south side
of Chicago together, made Munir,Munir Muhammad became their the
secretary of that small temple.
That's how Farrakhan and Munirhooked up, and then Wallace cut
off Farrakhan and Wa uh and JohnMuhammad's paycheck.
John Muhammad got a job for thecity of Chicago.
(14:53):
Farrakhan broke away and said,I'm gonna start teaching the
messenger's teachings again, andbegan doing that somewhere late
77, early 78.
Ah that's very interesting.
We come with actual facts,brother.
We're not we're not makinganything up.
This is not speculation, this isnot hatred.
This is what happened.
This is actually what literallywhat happened.
(15:14):
Okay, I defy anybody in thatcamp to tell me that is not what
happened.
And I'm not talking about thelow folks on the totem pole, I'm
talking about the ministers, I'mtalking about the national
captain, I'm talking aboutMustafa, I'm talking about
Ishmael, I'm talking aboutMinister Farkan himself.
Uh uh, what is brother Larry'sname now?
Uh Akbar, any any of them knowthat this is the history.
SPEAKER_02 (15:36):
That's interesting.
I hope y'all heard that becauseI heard some real interesting
stuff right there.
A paycheck got cut, and someonegoes, Okay, I'm going, I'm gonna
take the messengers' teachingsand went in his own directions
with the messengers' teachings.
Um, so let's go here real quick.
Final call was established in1933, 34.
(15:59):
It was before Muhammad speaks.
SPEAKER_03 (16:03):
He's referring to the new, he's referring to the
newspaper.
There was the messengerpublished a newspaper called the
Final Call to Islam.
Uh, we're not talking about thenewspaper, we're talking about
the the 501c3 corporate entitythat was established after 1978
by Lewis Farrakhan, called thefinal that's why it's called the
final call.
Incorporated, it wasincorporated at some time after
(16:25):
1978.
I don't know the exact date.
SPEAKER_02 (16:28):
Okay, so it was incorporated and he took the
messengers teachings.
Did he take you know all of thelessons like uh Supreme Wisdom
one and two, uh uh uh message tothe black man?
He took all those teachings anddid he add or take away
anything?
SPEAKER_03 (16:45):
Not at first, uh not at first he didn't, but over the
course of time you could slowlythings began creeping in.
I became aware of Lewis Farkanuh and the organizational
standpoint, somewhere in late1980, between 85 and 89, that's
when I became aware of him.
But I don't know whatparticularly was being taught in
(17:06):
those temples at that time.
Minister Minister Muhammad couldtell you because he was there
in '83.
But like I said, even my mentorhimself, Minister David Bachar,
said, if you want to get more ofthe messenger's teachings,
because he wasn't doing anyactive ministry, he said, go
check out Farrakhan.
He told me about all those otherones that I was telling you
about.
He said, It appears that he issticking closest to what the
(17:28):
boss taught.
But as I shared last time, hesaid he's got an ego problem.
If he includes himself in thoseteachings, run from him.
And I never forgot that.
SPEAKER_01 (17:38):
Gotcha, gotcha.
SPEAKER_03 (17:39):
As soon as I heard him including himself in the
teaching, I said, you know what?
Time for me to get time for meto get out of here.
And what what year was that?
Approximately 1993, 94, when Ithey started saying that he was
the messenger or the apostle orthe beloved of God, just the the
divine reminder, divine this,divine that.
(18:01):
But the what caught my ear wasMessenger of Allah and the
Apostle.
And I said, The only apostlethat I'm here for is the
honorable Elijah Muhammad.
SPEAKER_02 (18:09):
Oh man, we got some questions in the chat, man.
Uh, so here we go.
Uh uh, how did it get fromMuhammad speaks to the final
quote?
You're still talking about thenewspaper.
Yeah, we're still talking aboutthe newspaper at this point.
Talking about the newspaper,brother.
SPEAKER_03 (18:24):
Yeah, and then the name of the newspaper is not
that's I mean, the the messengeralso published a newspaper
called Salam Magazine.
So that we're not talking aboutthe name, we're not talking
about the newspaper.
I'm talking about theincorporated entity.
Messenger Muhammad neverincorporated the nation of
Islam, never incorporatedMuhammad speaks, never
incorporated any of that.
(18:45):
So there's a difference in thenewspapers and the incorporated
entity.
See, this is how our people arefooled so easily, they don't
understand the nuances of this,and no one's ever explained it
to them.
SPEAKER_02 (18:58):
This is so deep, man.
Okay, so the reason I say thatis because, you know, um, you
know, I study with the Moors foryears and things like that, and
um, and uh that's the biggest,that's one of the I don't want
to say that is the biggest, butI'm gonna say that is one of the
issues that some Moors have withothers.
(19:20):
Some Moors call um uh someMoorish groups the Inc.
because they're incorporated,you know, under the 501c3, and
they're not an ingredient tothat.
And they say that the ProphetNoble Dali did not set up the
organization that way.
You get what I'm saying?
(19:41):
So yeah, yeah, I understand.
That's why this is sointeresting.
So uh the next thing I want touh want to go into this next
one.
Um uh so this podcast tonight isalone is the very reason that
people call uh Lewis Farrakhan asellout.
Please elaborate.
I always wondered why peoplecall him that.
SPEAKER_03 (20:05):
I can't speak to whether he's a sellout or not.
I can't speak to the facts ofwhat the organization has has
done.
Uh, I don't know what whether hebelieves sincerely what they
teach now, or whether that wouldbe what if he's if he doesn't
sincerely believe it, that wouldbe a sellout, or if he but if he
thinks that he is something withthe messenger, but I can't
(20:26):
really speak to answer whetherhe's a sellout or not.
I don't I don't know the heartof the man, I know the moves
that he's made, and I can tellyou those moves that he's made
without having to lie on him.
SPEAKER_02 (20:37):
Okay, there we go.
I like how you answer that,brother.
So now um under the final call,can you explain the final calls,
like your issue with the finalcall?
Uh the your your issue with thefinal call and its um uh its
structure.
SPEAKER_03 (20:58):
Well, that there were very there were minor
things that came up.
The major thing for me was whenthey started calling him apostle
and messenger.
That was enough for me.
But prior to that, there waseven minor things, like even how
the temple is set up.
Under the final callincorporated, the minister under
the honorable Elijah Muhammad,the minister of the of a
numbered temple was the mostpowerful man in the nation of
(21:20):
Islam other than the messengerhimself.
They reported to no one exceptfor the honorable Elijah
Muhammad.
No, they didn't even report tothe national representative of
the radio program.
They didn't report to themeither.
They didn't even report to thesupreme captain, they reported
to no one other than themessenger of Allah.
Under the final callincorporated, uh the captains
(21:44):
run that show over there.
Uh the minute every ministerunder the final call reports to
the supreme captain.
Every minister in a particularstate reports to the state
captain.
And even in some of them templesor mosques, the minister don't
really run it.
He's basically a Bible toter ora Kowan toter.
He's no longer a soldier, he'sno longer the highest ranking
(22:06):
member of that temple, whichthat is what the minister is
supposed to be, the highestranking member of that military
structure.
He's not.
Not it, not a captain runseverything.
The minister very barely goes inand teaches the fruit anymore.
SPEAKER_02 (22:19):
So, how is it structured in the nation of
Islam?
SPEAKER_03 (22:22):
Under the honorable Elijah Muhammad, the minister
ran the temple.
That's it.
That's it.
The only time the captain hadany authority over the minister
was if the minister violated alaw.
And if the captain thought theminister violated a law and he
took uh action on the violationof that law, he better be
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correct.
Otherwise, he would lose hispost.
Okay.
The ministers met with themessenger at least twice a
month, face to face.
And I'm when I say face to face,I mean all of the ministers
together will come to Chicago atleast twice a month.
SPEAKER_02 (23:04):
Twice a month.
SPEAKER_03 (23:05):
Twice a month, yes, sir.
That many people, wow, yes, sir.
Uh and even some of the thingsthat we're seeing now, like uh
other minor things.
These were these were minorthings.
It didn't bug.
I I thought it was kind ofstupid, but it didn't bug me
that much at that time.
But you know, the the coloredshirts, the correct uniform for
an FOI.
I'm in what's called Class Auniform, conservative color
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suit, white shirt, tie, nationof Islam pin, a button to wear
the repel of your coat thatrepresents a free transportation
of the Holy City Mecca to seeBrother Muhammad upon the
presentation of four devil'sheads at one time.
SPEAKER_01 (23:42):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_03 (23:43):
Crazy loud cover suits now, you know, uh light
blue, pink, uh, red, orangesuits, looking like the mighty
clouds of joy.
That's not our uniform.
Even striped and uh plaid suits,that's not our uniform.
It's a conservative coveredsuit.
Uh even now, fat ministers.
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Under the honorable ageMuhammad, he didn't allow no, he
didn't allow no fat ministers,he didn't allow no fat laborers.
Now, I understand some peoplemay have a health condition, but
I'm sorry, there's way too manyministers that got this health
condition where they're grosslyoverweight and obese.
Uh, no, you have to be weigh acertain amount to even be a
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laborer under the honorableElijah Muhammad.
SPEAKER_02 (24:29):
You know, uh one of the brothers um said that uh the
FOY suit is to to to keep you tokeep you in shape, is meant to
keep you tight in shape aroundthe around the belly and all
that.
SPEAKER_03 (24:45):
That's what he he told me.
You know what?
That is one way to look at it.
Yeah, if you got your suit, yougot your suit tailored, you can
tell by putting your suit onwhether you have gained weight
or not, even and you don't evenhave to jump on the scale.
SPEAKER_02 (24:57):
No, I'm talking about the FOI uniform.
SPEAKER_03 (24:59):
Oh, you're talking about the uniform, yeah.
Well, yeah, the I mean theuniform is basically cut like it
cut like a suit as well, yes,sir.
SPEAKER_02 (25:06):
Right, right, right, right.
So, okay, so those things havechanged.
I I also saw a brother uh withgold teeth.
And uh yeah, yeah, I saw abrother with gold.
He had everything right, but hehad gold teeth.
And I said, Can you you can yoube a part of the FOI and wear
gold teeth?
SPEAKER_03 (25:27):
Yeah, I mean, we do have certain grooming standards.
Now we do know that you knowpeople are coming in.
If there's a time period in thetransition period, and yeah, we
okay, if let's say if it's agold tooth.
We understand, brother, that youknow, dental work is expensive.
But yes, brother, you know, anduntil such time as you are able
to get that corrected, sir.
Uh you can, of course, you canattend and everything.
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You just won't be able to holdpost until such time as you're
able to get that corrected.
Because we want to present thebest face forward for our
people.
So it's not gonna be we're notgonna make a big deal about it
with that person.
It's just that right now youcan't hold post, brother, until
you get that together.
Okay, you don't you don't wantto groom all the way and cut
your hair all the way?
No problem, brother.
You're out in uniform, you justcan't hold post right now.
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So we understand with our peopleit's a process, right?
SPEAKER_02 (26:15):
So right now, can I hold post?
Looks like it.
SPEAKER_03 (26:23):
You look cleaner than the day that I first talked
to you, brother.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (26:28):
Now, um the final call, how it's structured as a
501c3.
Is any way we can find that?
Because I was trying to, I waslooking for it.
SPEAKER_03 (26:39):
Uh I'm not I'm not very aware of where to find
those records.
I mean, they are public records,so there you can find them.
But I would I would try thecook, uh, I would first try in
Cook County.
That's that's the uh the countythat Chicago's is based in.
SPEAKER_02 (26:55):
Okay, so uh I would so I look that up, Cook County.
Uh I know I know uh I know thosewho are into looking for these
things.
Uh uh Ben, I'm I'm probably sureyou know where to look for it,
where to find it.
Help a brother out.
Let's find the final call andhow that that organization is
structured.
SPEAKER_03 (27:13):
So if we can they they have to, you know, when
you're when you're a uh anincorporation like that, you
have to file quarterly reports,you have to have a uh management
structure, you have to haveofficers, you've got to file
your your your tax paperwork,you have to do all kinds of
things, otherwise, you allow thedevil in.
Even when you do it perfectly,he still is allowed to come in
(27:33):
because now it's not yours, it'shis.
You become a creature of thedevil, you become a fiction of
the devil.
SPEAKER_02 (27:41):
You become again, you become a corporation, where
my more is at?
SPEAKER_03 (27:47):
You become a corporation.
Allah came to free you, and thenyou put yourself right back in
bondage to him, a different typeof bondage, but now you gotta
answer to him again.
SPEAKER_02 (27:58):
Yo, I know the more is loving this.
Uh, brother minister uh Aliabout how final call ask Brother
Minister Ali about how FinalCall Inc.
pronounces the savior's namedifferently than the messenger.
SPEAKER_03 (28:13):
That's that's brother.
That's another one.
That's another one.
Now, this didn't happen.
I don't know exactly when thishappened.
I'm just guessing this issometime in the last five to ten
or twelve years or so, but nowthey the messenger told us how
to pronounce the savior's name,spelled F-A-R-D in English.
It is Farad.
Farad, even though there's no Aafter the R, it is Farad.
(28:35):
During the Japanese interview,the Japanese interviewers were
trying to ask Messenger Muhammadabout the savior and how to
pronounce the name, and theytried to say it, and he said,
No, no, farad.
Now, where this Farrd came from,I don't know, but that's how
somebody, that's how an OrthodoxMuslim would say it.
(28:55):
Farrd.
We are not Orthodox Muslims.
Our native language is notArabic.
Uh, just like you have achildren, I have children, we
can spell our child child's nameanyway, but we tell people how
to pronounce it.
Uh, John Muhammad and my mentor,John Muhammad and David Bachal,
they both had children whosedaughters whose names were
M-A-R-Y-A-M, Mariam.
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John Muhammad pronounced itMariam.
He said, This is my daughterMariam.
And David Bachal said, This ismy daughter, Maya.
But they were spelled the sameway.
The messenger was with thesavior three years and nearly a
half.
You're gonna tell me he don'tknow how to pronounce the man's
name, the God's name thattrained him day and night and
night and day.
Now you're gonna let somebodyelse tell you how to pronounce
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it.
It's it's craziness, brother.
But again, that's that's anotherthing.
Seems minor, but it's not minor.
God gave us the man who knowsthe God and knows his name the
best.
Now we but would now we know howto pronounce it better.
SPEAKER_02 (29:55):
Right, so Farad.
SPEAKER_03 (29:57):
Farad.
SPEAKER_02 (29:58):
Ferrad.
And Farrad, that I heard I thinkI heard uh uh uh minister
Farrakhan uh say that.
SPEAKER_04 (30:07):
Far.
SPEAKER_02 (30:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (30:09):
The messenger told us how to pronounce it.
You can follow the messenger oryou can follow other people.
It's up to you.
Choice is yours.
Gotcha.
So now there's a uh and brother,I don't mean it and even some of
the other quote-unquoteorthodoxy, like uh like having
Juma on Friday.
Messenger Elijah Muhammad neverhad no Juma for us on Friday.
(30:32):
Uh, this saying of talk beer ofAhu Akbar, talk beer of Ahu
Akbar.
The messenger never had us doingthat.
Where did that come from?
That comes from Orthodox.
That comes from Wallace.
Wallace started doing that.
Interesting.
We don't we don't call funeralsJanazah, we're not orthodox
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Muslims, we call it a funeral,and we have a particular way to
conduct the funeral as well.
SPEAKER_02 (31:00):
Okay, so final call has taken the people more to
Sunni Islam, is what you'resaying.
SPEAKER_03 (31:09):
I would tend to say so.
Okay, and again, that's whoMinister Farrakhan followed
Wallace for three for three anda half years, and then even
after following him for threeand a half years and saying he
left him, he brought him back toSavior's Day in 2000, and now
he's implementing all theseideas which are from orthodoxy
Islam that the messenger waswell aware of these uh these
(31:32):
rituals and these names, yeah,and he never implemented for
them for us.
Why?
Because he is giving us a newIslam, it's altogether new, only
the five basic principles remainthe same, otherwise, it's
altogether new.
SPEAKER_02 (31:48):
All right, what would the five principles be?
SPEAKER_03 (31:51):
Prayer, charity, belief in Allah, fasting, and uh
what's the fifth one?
Some people would say it'spilgrimage.
There's another fifth one that'sthat's slipping my mind.
Some people say it's pilgrimage,it's a different one, it's
another one as well.
But those are just basicprinciples.
That pilgrimage for us is not ais not a trip to uh to uh Mecca
(32:16):
Arabia.
Uh our transportation is to seeBrother Muhammad here in the
wilderness and hells of NorthAmerica.
That's what our reward is.
Our pilgrimage is to reunitewith him and the God that he
represents.
That's our pilgrimage, not sevencircuits around a building, but
cleaving close to the wordcoming from the mouth of God in
(32:40):
the person of his messenger, thehonorable Elijah Muhammad.
That's our pilgrimage.
SPEAKER_02 (32:45):
Gotcha.
I got a question up here.
Uh, thank you, Dre.
Uh that the brother fromFacebook, I think so.
What's up, brother?
Uh brother.
Can you talk about the lie thatmessenger had more than one
wife?
SPEAKER_03 (33:02):
Yes.
Uh I've never heard thehonorable Elijah Muhammad was
interviewed numerous times.
Every time he was interviewed,he would talk about his one wife
and his six, excuse me, hiseight children, six sons and and
two daughters.
This idea that he had more thanone wife is is the very idea
that started spreading, whichgot Malcolm in trouble.
(33:22):
This is the very idea thatstarted spreading, and it was
condemned in the MuhammadSpeaks.
I believe back in '93, and thisis another thing that was minor,
that that had me raising myeyebrows.
In 93, Louis Farkan's Savior'sDay, he brought out these
quote-unquote wives on stage.
Two of them, one was TanetaMuhammad, the other two were
Evelyn and Lucille, and I thinkthe other one was June.
(33:45):
I can't remember the fifth.
Well, Evelyn and Lucille werecondemned in the Muhammad
Speaks.
We got it, we got the issue, wegot the paper.
They were called prostitutes inthe Muhammad Speaks for telling
such a lie on the honorableElijah Muhammad.
(34:07):
Now, would the honorable ElijahMuhammad allow one of his
ministers to call his wivesprostitutes in his paper?
That doesn't even make sense.
Malcolm was trying to get themto perpetuate this lie, and they
were lying when Lewis Farrakhanuh tried to get them to
(34:27):
perpetuate the same lie.
Now, here's the rub many ofthose children may be related to
the messenger.
Okay.
Go ahead, brother.
Okay.
Many of those children may verywell be related to the
messenger.
Okay, how is that?
(34:48):
Come on, brother.
How many sons the messengerhave?
Right, okay.
I get what you're saying.
They were a bunch of scoundrels,brother.
Two of them ended up with uhCaucasian women.
They said, Well, well, this onelooks just like the messengers.
Okay, that could be themessenger's grandchild.
Right.
You probably got you probablygot children now, brother, that
(35:10):
look like your mother or father,or your wife's mother and
father, and don't look nothinglike you or your wife.
Sometimes children look morelike the grandparents.
That's how it happens.
But no, we never heard themessenger say this.
Matter of fact, in the duringtheology of time, which wasn't
theology of time at that time,we had an eight-year-old Ishmael
(35:31):
Dinar teaching and addressingtemple number two during the
theology of time.
Ishmael Dinar.
During 1963, Savior's Day, whenuh the messenger was uh ill, and
Malcolm and Taneta Dinar taughtduring that savior's day.
(35:51):
I believe it was 63.
It was one of those savior daysprior to 65 that the messenger
was sick and couldn't teach.
Her name was Taneta Dinar.
Messenger said he named herDinar because she liked money,
who later went out and hooked upafter 75 with Yusuf Bey.
(36:16):
And Rasul, before he passed,said many times that Yusuf Bey
raised him like a father.
That's all I'm gonna get intothat kind of madness and mess
that went on out there.
SPEAKER_02 (36:27):
But that would went on for years, brother Dre Dre
24, brother.
I'm just like shocked.
I'm super shocked that all thiswas going on.
This is like a mess.
SPEAKER_03 (36:42):
Brother, the the the Caucasian people deal with us
like they deal with any nation.
Any nation like America hasallies and it has enemies.
America spies on both, but asenemies, the America does
everything they can to keeptheir enemies and potential
enemies destabilized.
(37:04):
They will set up de factogovernments, leaders in exiles,
opposition leaders who areliving in London or uh Los
Angeles or in uh Melbourne whoare talking against the
legitimate government or thereal government that's back in
the homeland.
You got these other puppets setup by America talking about they
the real government.
This is to keep up confusionamongst the people because a
(37:27):
confused people do nothing.
And if we're trying to get aconfused people to join on to
become a nation, that becomeseven harder when you got America
setting up and backing puppetleaders to lead them in a wrong
direction.
They first tried it withMalcolm, next they tried it with
Wallace.
(37:47):
Wallace wasn't charismaticenough, so the next thing they
tried it with, in my opinion,they tried it with Louis
Farrakhan.
During that time after 1975,after the departure of the
messenger, September 75, therewas a party at Muhammad's Temple
number two.
And when I say party, I mean aliteral party.
(38:09):
Dancing, drinking, sweetheartingwith unsingle people,
sweethearting with interracialcouples.
One of the persons that wasthere was Phil Donahue.
Later on, after 1975, about 10years later, the first major
national uh interview that LouisFarcon did was on the Phil
Donahue show in 1985.
This is where he was thrust onthe scene of national America.
(38:31):
And I know that he was fillingup arenas before that.
25,000 in New York, MadisonSquare Garden for power at last
forever.
Still, the average black personstill didn't know who Farkan was
until he got on Donahue show in85 and in 90.
Then later on, of course, weknow in 92, or excuse me, uh in
95, uh the Million Man OutdoorPicnic and the rest of his
(38:53):
history.
SPEAKER_02 (38:55):
Indeed, indeed.
So uh final call when it whenwhen everything changed into
being the final call, uhMinister Lewis Farrakhan started
taking him more into SunniIslam.
So if we if we could take youknow make a comparison between
the messengers' teachings andwhere Lewis Farrakhan took the
(39:17):
teachings, what would you saywould be the the difference if
we had to put everything onpaper and you know and uh and
give a clear picture for peopleto understand?
SPEAKER_03 (39:28):
The biggest clear picture that I can give you
right now is I don't rememberthe exact year we got the quote,
but he said it several times,that we do not he's when he said
we that his organization, whichthey call it the Nation of Islam
as well.
I'm just telling you what theincorporated date is.
We do not pray to Master FaradMuhammad.
He said that the messenger saidit we do pray to Master Farad
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Muhammad.
That's the biggest differenceright there.
Whether you agree that MasterFarad Muhammad is Allah or not,
the biggest difference is themessenger prays to the Savior,
the Messenger and his followers,and the final call to teach us
we don't pray to Master FaradMuhammad.
Matter of fact, his ministersget so confused sometimes, like
Ishmael about three years agowhen he did the Savior's Day,
(40:12):
the first Savior's Day thatFarrakhan wasn't able to do
after a while.
He Ishmael stood up there andsaid, We don't pray to Master
Farad Muhammad during Savior'sDay.
And then he had to come back aweek later and correct and say,
Oh, we do pray to Master FaradMuhammad.
Wait a minute, I thought yourmother was the great Taneda
Muhammad.
You're supposed to be the son ofthe messenger, you don't know
who we pray to.
It's because he has fallen forwhat Louis Farrakhan teaches,
(40:35):
that we don't pray to him.
So it's very confusing forpeople who are trying to walk
this line between what themessenger teaches and what the
honorable Elijah Muhammadteaches.
But that's the biggest one,right there is who we pray to.
unknown (40:48):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (40:48):
Next big one is who the messenger is.
SPEAKER_02 (40:51):
Okay, let's get into that.
SPEAKER_03 (40:53):
The messenger is the honorable Elijah Muhammad.
SPEAKER_02 (40:56):
And Lewis, Minister Lewis Farrakhan doesn't teach
that.
SPEAKER_03 (41:00):
He also teaches that him and his people teach that
he's a messenger and an apostle.
He teaches that they're teachingthat he's a messiah, he's the
messiah, a messiah, the messiah.
They play these word games.
I don't care how you what whatidentifier you put in front of
it.
There's one messiah in thenation of Islam, Master Farad
Muhammad to whom praise is dueforever.
(41:20):
And there's one messenger in thenation of Islam, the honorable
Elijah Muhammad.
There's one great Medid.
They were calling Farrakhan theMedik.
But that's nothing unusualbecause when Wallace took over,
they were calling Wallace theChrist Madid.
So there's nothing new.
Everybody wants to be somethingbig.
SPEAKER_02 (41:40):
Uh the brother from the new Black Panther Party
asks, uh, what's the Masonicinvolvement?
SPEAKER_03 (41:46):
The Masonic involvement in the final call.
SPEAKER_02 (41:51):
I I guess I would say, I guess he's asking for
let's say for both, for bothfinal call in uh in the nation
of Islam.
SPEAKER_03 (41:58):
Okay, the Masonic involvement under the honorable
Elijah Muhammad is the honorableElijah Muhammad was a Mason
prior to meeting Master FaradMuhammad.
SPEAKER_02 (42:07):
Hold on, hold on.
Yeah, I just heard that, right?
I know y'all heard that.
Can you say that one more time,brother?
Just for the people in the back.
SPEAKER_03 (42:16):
The honorable Elijah Muhammad either was a registered
Mason or was very close to theMasons prior to meeting Master
Farad Muhammad.
SPEAKER_01 (42:26):
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_03 (42:28):
He said Masonry Ben is like the first three degrees
of Masonry is the keys to yourslavery.
unknown (42:37):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (42:37):
Now's Farrakhan, he actually has joined the Masons
within the last 10 years.
SPEAKER_02 (42:46):
I think I saw that online somewhere.
SPEAKER_03 (42:49):
He was wearing the regalia.
I don't know if he I don't knowtheir process of initiation.
I don't know if he became aregular initiate or if he's
honorary, but he put on theregalia and joined the masons,
just like he put on the regaliaand joined Omega Psi 5.
We don't join these othercreatures of the devil, brother.
(43:10):
Masonry is we gave Masonry tothe devil so that they can clean
themselves up and come amongstus, right?
SPEAKER_01 (43:16):
Study for 35 years.
SPEAKER_03 (43:21):
It originally was not for us, but Prince Hall
heard and saw a little bit ofit, and he started what he
thought was good for blackpeople the Prince Hall Masons or
the Black Masons.
So I hope I'm answering thequestion of the connection.
Uh Louis Farrakhan is a memberof the Masons now.
He became a Muslim in 1955.
(43:43):
We don't join theseorganizations after we know the
truth that God gave themessenger.
This it's inferior wisdom to us.
We have supreme wisdom.
We don't need we don't join onto them, they join on to us.
SPEAKER_02 (43:59):
Gotcha.
Makes sense, makes sense.
So now another thing that'schanged.
Um, so so in in the final call,you gotta write a letter, right?
You got to do the same letter.
SPEAKER_03 (44:10):
Correct.
Last I heard.
I don't know, I don't know now.
I believe they still do theletter, but I'm not 100% sure.
SPEAKER_02 (44:20):
Okay, and the whole process of going into the FOI
and all that is pretty much thesame.
Last you heard.
SPEAKER_03 (44:28):
Last I heard, I mean, uh, they've had several of
these open meetings, these men'sonly meetings.
That really wasn't really doneunder the messenger.
They've also had this propensityfor uh outdoor meetings.
The messenger told hisministers, you know, I wouldn't
do that if I were you.
Of course, he didn't tell themnot to do it, he said, I
wouldn't do it if I was you.
You know, Farrakhan had thefirst big outdoor meeting in
(44:51):
1972 at Randall's Island, he had72,000 there.
And then when he went back tothe labor's meeting, he said,
Well, the messenger asked himhow many people accepted.
And of course, he he asked thesecretary, he didn't know.
Because when you were outdoorslike that, you have no, you have
no control over who's there, youcan't take down a guest
registry, you can't doacceptances correctly, you can't
(45:12):
even secure it correctly.
This is what also Malcolm wantedto do, wanted to have these
large outdoor rallies, very uhvery a very insecure
environment.
I mean, we we we saw whathappened to Charlie Kirk in an
outdoor rally, as you can't youcan't secure it.
We have our meetings indoors andsecure the venue for a reason.
(45:38):
But you want to do a million-manmarch, you want to have two
million people show up?
Okay, luckily, nothing happened,right?
SPEAKER_02 (45:48):
Right, indeed.
So now uh those okay, nowanother thing I wanted to ask
was um temple and mosque.
Why not a temple anymore in nowa mosque?
I mean, well, I guess forobvious reasons, right?
If you want to take some peopleinto being more Sunni, then
Well, I I can't I don't have areal under the messenger.
SPEAKER_03 (46:10):
The the term temple and mosque were uh used almost
interchangeably under themessenger.
Oh, they were okay.
Yeah, they yeah, they were kindof used interchangeably.
He he defined, he said a templeis where you learn and where you
are taught.
A mosque is where you go topray, but they were used
interchangeably under themessenger, the name temple and
mosque.
Matter of fact, you if you golook in the old Muhammad speaks,
(46:31):
you will see the list of youknow mosques around the country,
and they're called you know,mosque number 32, mosque number
16, or or whatever.
So I don't there's not a big nota big issue there with the name
per se, it's more what goes onthere.
We didn't have no juma, right?
We didn't have no janaza.
SPEAKER_02 (46:51):
Indeed.
Now, another thing is um Iremember going into uh uh what
is it, mosque number seven on inin in Harlem.
I went in there one day, and umthe women and the men were
separated.
That's just a natural that's anormal thing in the nation of
Islam.
SPEAKER_03 (47:11):
Yeah, yeah, that's normal during the the temple
meeting is to have the brothersit on one side, the sister sit
on another, and any male, and Iforget, any any male child under
uh forget what the age is cansit on the side with his mother.
But as soon as we're able,they're encouraged to go and sit
with the men.
SPEAKER_01 (47:30):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (47:30):
So that's not, and then and and that's for security
purposes.
Because we will we will evaluatethe venue, see the where the
most vulnerable place is, and wewill place the the men uh at at
the most vulnerable place as aprotection for any trouble
getting to the women first.
It's all scientific while we dothis.
SPEAKER_02 (47:50):
Check, check.
Now, here's a question here.
Um, is the ex outdated?
Shouldn't it be Muhammad by now?
SPEAKER_03 (47:56):
No, I would say the ex is not outdated.
When we come in, the first thingwe all receive is an X to X out
the name of the X slave master.
So I went from Kevin Tisdale toKevin X Tisdale in uh 1991 when
I officially got on forms.
And then when my not not untiluh not until 1997, when my
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daughter was born, did I eventhink about Ali.
And that's another thing.
No minister has the right togive out holy names.
I didn't get my holy name from aminister.
In the absence of the messenger,now this is just my
interpretation.
I want to be clear, this is myinterpretation of my
understanding.
In the absence of the messenger,the messenger named several of
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his laborers and other keypeople, he gave them holy names,
but he said, I don't want to getthe messenger said, I don't want
to get so smart to where I'mnaming all the people.
That's his job, meaning Allah.
So the messenger named a fewpeople.
Well, Farrakhan one day went inthere and named the whole room,
everybody became Muhammad.
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Now, having said that, well, howdo you get how'd you get a holy
name?
I believe this is my belief.
When you write that letter,you're asking Allah for your
holy name.
That is a prayer and acommunication between you and
Allah.
I, as a minister, have no rightto get in between that
communication.
So if you now say your name, youbelieve your family's name is uh
(49:27):
Hassan, I'm not gonna tell youno different.
I'm gonna call you BrotherHassan.
If uh, if and when I'm askedabout it, uh brother minister,
did you give that man that holyname?
No, sir.
I did not give him that holyname.
That is a name that he chose forhimself.
I explained to him what the Xis, and I told him what your
procedure are, dear holyapostle.
(49:48):
I may be wrong for callingmyself Ali, but no one told me
to do it.
I did it.
I believe that is that is my theanswer to my prayer, the answer
to the letter that I wrote toour Savior, Master Farad
Muhammad, to whom praise do forhim forever, care of his
messenger.
I hope that made sense, brother.
SPEAKER_02 (50:09):
Yes, sir.
Now, what what's your thoughtson um okay?
So, for what I understand, thenation of Islam has adopted not
Scientology, but the techniqueof auditing.
Now, here's the thing (50:21):
uh, we're gonna have a podcast on that
Friday, uh a Friday at seveno'clock, uh, with with uh two
brothers who knows uhScientology like in depth and
studied it for years for a lotof different reasons.
Now, um, one of them, his nameis Ishmael Bay.
SPEAKER_03 (50:43):
Now, he was saying Well, yeah, I know Brother
Ishmael from Las Vegas.
I know him very well.
SPEAKER_02 (50:48):
Yeah, he's originally from Syracuse.
SPEAKER_03 (50:51):
That's right, yeah.
That's Sarge.
He said he's in Vegas.
SPEAKER_02 (50:53):
He's in Vegas.
SPEAKER_03 (50:54):
I was on a couple of programs with him, yes, sir.
SPEAKER_02 (50:56):
Now, um what he was he his in-depth knowledge of
Scientology, I can't evenexpound on.
But from what I understand, isthat the nation of Islam has
taken upon the technique ofauditing.
Now, what do you know aboutthat?
And okay, are you indisagreement with auditing?
SPEAKER_03 (51:18):
Here's here's what they say.
They and again they try to playword games, they try to tell you
that Scientology and Dianeticsare two different things.
They're trying to say that we'renot Scientologists, that we're
just using the technology.
Well, this cell phone righthere, this is technology.
Uh this this air Apple AirTag,that's technology.
(51:39):
Technology works.
The air tag is supposed to tellyou where it is at all times,
and when it does that, it works.
The technology of Scientology orDiagnetics is supposed to
produce what's known as a clear.
A clear is a person, anindividual who now exhibits
certain characteristics.
A clear can do this, a clear cando that, a clear can do that, a
(52:01):
clear does not forget, a clearhas uh recall, memory, all these
different things that a clearcan do.
In the entire history ofScientology or diagnetics, it
has not produced not one personwho can do all those things that
a quote unquote clear person cando.
(52:22):
They haven't cleared one personyet, but now you're calling it
technology.
Well, if it doesn't work, itain't technology, it doesn't
work.
They hold these two thingscalled an e-meter that mat what
it really measuring is measuringthe galvanic skin response.
All of us are full ofelectricity, and when you grab
those two uh red and blackthings from Radio Shack, it's
(52:43):
gonna make the needle move.
But what they do to theuninitiated is they put it on a
silver can and they havesomebody talking to you, and as
soon as it moves, they say, Oh,look, there's an M gram, and we
gotta talk until that M gramgoes away.
Brother, this is not technology,it's a circus show.
Scientology and dianetics wascondemned in the Muhammad Speaks
(53:06):
as spook worship, but not justspooks as relying on electronic
devices and now instead of nowrelying on spooks.
It's just another form ofChristianity, another form of
spook worship.
If you look at the if you lookat the symbol of Scientology,
and if you look at the symbol ofthe CIA, and if you look at the
symbol of the people's temple ofJim Jones, the Kool-Aid cult,
(53:29):
they all look the same becausethey're all psy-ops of the same
CIA central intelligence psy-op,Scientology, Dianetics, People's
Temple.
That's why they got the samesymbols.
SPEAKER_02 (53:46):
Yo, Dre 24, Radio Shack.
That's what had me like, whoa,that was funny.
Yo, man.
Um, on that note, brother, uh, Iwould like for you to come back
again and let's keep building onthis subject right here because
this one is the subject.
Uh, hold on.
SPEAKER_03 (54:02):
Can you see that?
SPEAKER_02 (54:03):
Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_03 (54:04):
Google CIA, and you'll see that that multi-sot
star, and then then Google thechurch of Scientology symbol and
the people's temple symbol, andyou see that that they all look
the same.
SPEAKER_02 (54:18):
On that note, brother, thank you for coming
out this evening.
I really appreciate you.
Asalam Aleikum first of all.
SPEAKER_03 (54:23):
Yeah, we got we got to do part two of this, brother.
SPEAKER_02 (54:25):
Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_03 (54:27):
For sure.
Thank you for having me,brother.
And I I I pray I didn't offendanybody, that's not my intent.
Just to put the information outthere is my intent.
You can do with it what youwill.
I don't mean to offend anyone.
SPEAKER_02 (54:39):
That's peace.
On that note, thank you guys forcoming out this evening.
We have a podcast in about fiveminutes.
We're talking about um uh thedivine, I forgot the name of it,
pardon me, y'all.
But you'll see in a few minutes,we are on with the more uh uh
Lloyd Michael Douglas L, and weare out of here.
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