November 19, 2025 • 65 mins
Start with a clear plan, not a slogan. We dig into Noble Drew Ali’s Divine Plan of the Ages and translate it into real moves you can make: refine the inner life, set free national standards, and act together in civics, media, and business so power becomes habitual. Our guest, Lloyd Douglas El of Moors in America, traces his path from late‑90s curiosity to decades of study and time in Brazil, showing how lived experience sharpened his lens on Moorish science. That arc leads to a simple truth: when identity and creed are clear, action gets focused and results follow.
We talk about image and ownership with urgency. Outsourced media has taught the world to distrust Black Americans, often through stories we didn’t commission. The fix isn’t a hashtag—it’s control of storefronts, feeds, and neighborhood institutions that circulate dollars and set norms. We break down civics as a sacred duty: build better citizens who understand local power, open businesses that anchor families, and support candidates who deliver for their blocks. Free national standards sit at the center, defining how we resolve conflict, protect children, keep promises, and move within love, truth, peace, freedom, and justice.
We also clear the fog around “legal fixes.” Nationality and creed are not magic words; they’re alignment with real governance and the Constitution. The proof is in character reform: money returned when it could be taken, contracts honored when no one is watching, youth guided without violence. To make that practical, we share resources—Lloyd’s book Unlocking the Keys, a Moorish Marriage Council to rebuild family life, and a Columbus food giveaway that turns faith into service. If you’re ready to trade noise for measurable wins, press play, then pick one lane—media, schools, or small business—and start this week.
Enjoy the episode? Subscribe, rate, and share with someone who’s ready to build. Drop a comment with the first standard you think our community should adopt next.
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SPEAKER_02 (01:41):
All right, all right.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you for coming out, uh,Brother Uh Lloyd.
Really appreciate you for comingout.
Moores in America, that is yourplatform there on Facebook, huh?
SPEAKER_01 (01:54):
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
That is my platform.
It's uh Moores in America onFacebook, also on YouTube, also
the website, Moores inAmerica.com, uh, Instagram.
Just made it uh recently aTikTok, so make sure you you uh
uh link up with Moores inAmerica.
SPEAKER_02 (02:13):
All right.
Is there any way you can takethat uh sound?
It's like some kind of sound onyour mic.
It sounds like you're about todo a rap concert.
SPEAKER_01 (02:23):
Oh man, it's the settings on here.
SPEAKER_02 (02:25):
Let me it sound like you're about to really hey yo,
what's popping?
SPEAKER_01 (02:33):
Yeah, what to make sure we don't have auto-tune on.
SPEAKER_02 (02:39):
It's still it's still it's still on there.
But I mean, uh you know, if youcould fix it, that'd be great.
If not, man, we're gonna have tojust uh deal with it.
You know, sound is is veryimportant to the human ear, you
know.
If the sound is off, you know,people tune out a little bit.
You know what I mean?
So yeah, thanks to thanks forcoming out this evening,
everybody.
I really appreciate you.
We're gonna get into this buildwith this brother.
(03:00):
I just want to let y'all knowthis brother sells fezes.
Where is uh Ben right now whoneeds the fez, man?
He sells fezes.
SPEAKER_01 (03:12):
We we've got you.
You you can see some of thembehind me, but um just just go
to moorishfez.com.
M-O-O-R-I-S-H-E-Z, MoorishFez.com.
We get you Moorish Americanowned and operated.
We actually put this together.
We have you more so um you know,100% wool, you know, the leather
(03:35):
sweatband on the inside,everything.
We we got you covered.
SPEAKER_02 (03:39):
That's peace.
That's peace.
Right now, you still sound likeDMC, but it's all good for run
DMC.
Tom, Tom, down with the kid.
SPEAKER_01 (03:53):
Mike check how we sounding now.
We we all right?
SPEAKER_02 (03:56):
Yeah, that's better.
That's better.
Let's do that again.
SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
Yeah, yeah.
We good now.
SPEAKER_02 (04:00):
Okay, we good now.
All right, perfect, perfect.
All right, so now uh, first off,uh, you know, everyone just you
know getting to know you on theplatform.
Um, you know, I like to breakdown history a little bit before
we go into the actual bill.
So what is your name?
Where are you from?
How did you get to MorrisScience, get into Morris
(04:21):
Science, and how long have youbeen in into the teachings?
SPEAKER_01 (04:25):
Okay, well, yeah, just to introduce myself, I have
brother, I'm your brother, LloydDouglas L, out of Columbus,
Ohio.
Uh, that's not where I'moriginally from, but I did make
way there uh from Toledo, Ohio,grew up in Memphis, Tennessee,
moved around, actually movedaround, lived a little bit
overseas for about five years inBrazil.
(04:48):
Moved overseas, came back hereto America.
Um, and as far as um studying uhMoorish science, I've actually
been studying this for a while,almost two decades now.
Uh many, many years ago in uh inMemphis, Tennessee, I met a
brother named Alihu PleasantBay, and just happened to meet
him by just by chance.
(05:09):
You know, was in the hood, saw abuilding that had some signs and
symbols on it that I didn't knowwhat they meant, but just
something inside me said, go inthere, check it out.
You know, and having no idea inMemphis, Tennessee, having no
idea what I'm gonna be walkinginto, but I go into the building
and there's a brother in there.
I think there was anotherbrother, two brothers in there,
(05:30):
and uh, one brother's in there.
He he has uh a book that he hadjust put out.
It's called Isom, it's calledthe zooming of the of the
nation, right?
And he had just put it out backthen.
This was like 20 years ago, andI come in and start talking to
him, and he started hitting mewith the knowledge, just letting
me know, hey, you know, you'renot black or African American or
(05:51):
whatever you want to callyourself, nigga, all that stuff.
He's like, and he started tobreak it down, and it just made
sense right away, you know.
It made sense, and um, you know,just that got me started in that
direction, you know, because Iwent through like pretty much
all the schools of thought,which is what a lot of us do,
you know, um, looking intoeverything, the nations of God's
(06:14):
earth, um, the nation of Islam,uh, Ala Kayor, pretty much
everything that you can thinkof.
You know, we've been down thatroad.
Then as well as traveling, youknow, uh around the country and
then overseas to just opening upthe eyes, seeing things.
And for me, it was coming fullcircle, coming back to um what
(06:36):
you would say more science, youknow, Islam, and having a
better, more well-roundedunderstanding of it just because
of life experience.
SPEAKER_02 (06:44):
Right.
Okay, okay.
So now when did you get intomore science and like what year
in particular?
SPEAKER_01 (06:52):
So, yeah, um, first exposure to it and really
starting to study and learnabout the prophet and things
like that, I would say back inum probably around, I don't know
there's that year, but I'll saylike around 2003, 2004,
something like that.
So it's been well over a decade,not new to any of this.
SPEAKER_02 (07:10):
Right, right, right.
And now when you when you gotinto Elihu, is that's an Ilihu
Bay, right?
SPEAKER_01 (07:17):
Ilihu Pleasant Bay.
Um yeah, I met the brother andhe hit me up with some
information, like he has somebrochures and stuff.
I didn't join his organization,I just started studying on my
own.
I mean, the internet, you know,videos, seeing people like Taz
Tariq Bay and all this stuff,just doing their own studying.
(07:38):
That's that's what I had been onfor you know, for a while.
Before I came back and startedsaying, okay, let me calm down,
let me read this holy Quran andthe Morris High Temple of
America again to see what'sreally in there.
Because me reading that 20 yearsago, I'm just like, man, this is
just some church stuff.
(07:59):
Right.
I ain't trying to hear this, youknow what I'm saying?
Right.
That's that's where I was atmentally.
But um, you know, just sayingI've been on that path though
for a while.
SPEAKER_02 (08:09):
Okay.
So now you you picked up IlyhuPleasant's Pleasant Bay's
information.
You got into it 2003, 2004.
Um, and then before that, youwere like just studying
different things.
So when did you get that initialspark to look?
Was it like was it like 2000,99, 98, like in the 90s?
SPEAKER_01 (08:37):
Yeah, man.
I would say it's been there likeeven since the late 90s, you
know, just as a teenager, justwondering, wanting to know more,
and knowing that something wasoff.
You know, something was off withour people, just knowing that
something was off, you know,with us and with the world.
And um, like, you know, lookingto into everything that that
(08:59):
that was around, you know, tobecause like back then, like
when you're talking about like97, 98, even 99, even going into
the early 2000s, it wasn't likejust so easy to get information,
you know.
Like for us, like a lot of timesyou can get information in the
hood because there may besomebody.
Right.
There may be somebody withuniversal flag or you know, with
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some some kind of symbology orsomething that would make you
think, okay, that brother mighthave some knowledge, you know?
And that would be the only way.
Like, there was a brother usedto be in um or this hood, this
uh neighborhood called OrangeMound, and he would be selling,
you know, tapes and stuff,bootlegs and stuff like that.
And he was like, he was a newwobby.
And and so, you know, I alwaystalk to him and like, yeah, you
(09:43):
got any new tapes?
Like, is there anything I couldsee?
Because it wasn't like YouTube,you could just go and watch
videos, anything you could find.
So it was like, you know, youhad to get out and talk to
people and travel and meetpeople and actually read to
learn.
It wasn't so easy.
So, you know, I had to get outand talk to library and all
(10:04):
that, and it took time too,because you had to go through
you know the school of thought.
You have to actually go throughthings and meet people and walk
those, you know, that path sothat you could learn things,
right?
Because it yeah, it wasn't justit wasn't just like it is now
with just the internet and soeasy YouTube.
So that's that's the path that Iwalk through, just going, you
(10:24):
know, and talking to people andbuilding and learning over time,
right?
SPEAKER_02 (10:29):
Oh, brother uh Ben.
Uh Ben is in the building.
Yo, uh Ben, this is the brother.
Uh I sent you his website.
I sent you his website, brother.
Get this is where you can getthe Fez, brother.
SPEAKER_01 (10:41):
He's got yeah, yeah.
MorrisFez.com.
SPEAKER_02 (10:43):
We we have you covered, we we get it out
there.com of Ben by two, threeof them Johns, man.
SPEAKER_01 (10:51):
Yeah, got you on these turbines too, like the the
one you see I'm wearing.
We got those two.
Uh you can get it from me.
Uh just go to Morris, just go toMorrisandAmerica.com.
We had the we had a turban wrapstoo.
SPEAKER_02 (11:02):
So how's that?
You just put it, you just put iton like this, or how's it?
SPEAKER_01 (11:07):
Yeah, this this joint, like it's got this, uh,
you know, on the inside, likekind of like satin, kind of like
silk almost, you know.
So if you have like maybe ashort hair or or or braids or
something like that, you know,keep everything tight, and then
it just wraps around so easy,man.
Just boom.
Oh, nice double wrap, and you'regood to go.
(11:29):
And you know, it's got thetassels and everything on it,
you know, nice, you know,cultural flex, and and and it's
not like you're wearing ado-rag, man.
It's a it's a turban becauseliterally this wraps around
twice, this rope, and it's thateasy, and you're good to go.
SPEAKER_02 (11:45):
Indeed, indeed.
That's peace.
That's peace.
Before we go into today's build,it's all uh Jacob Ladders said
it's all good and sounds goodtill someone needs legal help,
and then that person is frownedupon and shunned.
You know why?
Because the Moorish ScienceTemple of America or Moors in
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general, it's it's not about alegal thing.
It's not about a legal, it's notabout a legal come-up or you
know, or trying to play a lawyeror anything like that.
You know, so that's where you'regoing wrong, brother.
You you're in the wrong placelooking for the wrong thing.
You know what I mean?
So that's what that is, brother.
(12:27):
But uh, let's go into it.
We're talking about NobleJuali's Divine Plan of the Age.
Now, um, you sent me some, yousent me an email with something
the brother uh Sharif Bey wrote,right?
SPEAKER_01 (12:47):
Yeah, um, so I sent uh one document, I believe
that's from the brother R.
Edwards L.
Maybe just like some of histhoughts on the divine plan of
the ages, and then also, yeah,from that good brother Sharif
Daniel Bay.
He he has a book, The Blueprint,where he talks about the divine
plan of the ages.
SPEAKER_02 (13:08):
Okay, so let's let's talk about that.
Uh the divine plan of the ages,and um, you know, let's expound
upon that.
Let's break that down.
SPEAKER_01 (13:20):
Okay, so this yes, this is a great discussion.
This is gonna be a greatdiscussion and powerful.
Um, the divine plan of the agesbasically it's it's a very
simple, I guess you could say,four or five part um structure,
just with the the ideology orthe plan that the prophet wanted
this movement that he intendedfor us to go in, right?
(13:43):
To ensure our earthly and ourdivine salvation or success, you
could say.
All right, and so um, you know,it's actually very simple, to
the point, and straightforward.
There's nothing really mysticalor hard to understand about it.
It's just something that'ssimple that gives us a plan so
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we can look at what we're doingor what we're discussing or
talking about to say, okay, isthis in alignment with the plan?
It's not, maybe we should, youknow, leave that to the side.
So it keeps us marching forward,you know, towards the goal.
Um, I had a little graphic Iwanted to put up here if you
wouldn't mind if I could, butyeah, let's let's put that up.
(14:27):
Yeah, so um basically, right?
Uh okay, what okay, okay, I seeit.
I see it.
SPEAKER_02 (14:39):
And for my my my um I gotta get a I get I gotta get
fitted.
Brother, you don't you take thatwhat they call him, Jones?
Uh turbine rap.
SPEAKER_01 (14:53):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:53):
No, he has to measure his head.
SPEAKER_01 (14:55):
Oh, the tape measure, yo, and I got that
right here.
I'm gonna I'm glad you saidsomething, bro.
I got a tape measure right here,right?
And I'm saying, like, you know,you take it out of there and
it's real flimsy, you can justwrap it around.
Measure your head before you getthe fez.
unknown (15:14):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
Um we have we have an eight and a half size fez.
If you, you know, man, if youlike wearing, you know, head,
headgear, you know, a lot, youalready know eight and a half is
pretty large.
And so that's like most of thepeople that get there have
locks.
And so it's like we have threesizes on there right now.
So you definitely want tomeasure your your head before
(15:35):
you order that.
Right, measure measures, you canget it from Walmart for like
probably under three dollars.
SPEAKER_02 (15:42):
Right, right.
Get that tape measure, brother.
Here we go.
SPEAKER_01 (15:48):
Okay, glad you got were able to put that up there.
So um, all right, so basically,the prophet is giving us a
two-part salvation, right?
Earthly, restoring us as anation among you know all the
other nations.
I'm gonna tell you real brieflywhy that needs to be done.
And then divine restoring ourconsciousness as a part of
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Allah.
And then when you put thattogether, that's the divine plan
of the ages.
So the divine plan of the agesis working on ourselves so that
we can bring out our truepotential.
We are one, we are Allah, we areone with the Creator, you know,
and then um on the second part,you know, doing that physical
work that we need to do toempower ourselves, right?
(16:36):
To be, you know, not just tohave be recognized, but
respected as a nation, right?
Amongst others.
And so um this this restoring usas a nation among other nations
has to be done because we havefallen probably to the lowest of
lows, you know, as far as umpeople in the world, you know,
(16:57):
as far as how we're perceived,um what what people think of us,
right?
We're we we fall into the lowestof the low.
Um, people see um us, you know,as far as the music and the
movies and all that promoting,you know, negativity, right?
And so, you know, and then theylook at us thinking that we we
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don't even take care of ourfamilies, we don't care about
you know being married andraising our children together.
People think of us in the low asthe low.
So we have to take care of that.
We have to, but that's aninternal thing, you know, fixing
ourselves, restoring ourselves.
So it wouldn't matter where youlive, you know, you'd be good.
And um, that takes care ofeverything, even the legal stuff
(17:39):
that the brother was talkingabout, because then we start to
build ourselves up.
We don't have these problemsthat we haven't, you know.
And then the divine, of course,as we improve our mind as we
connect to our true nature.
You can't be, you know, uh alaw, you can't be spirit, man,
one with your higher self andstill be oppressed and still be
getting taken advantage of.
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You can't.
It just it is impossible, itwon't happen.
And so that kind of takes careof everything as well.
So, you know, that's that'salways gotta be in the at least
in the back of our mind or inthe forefront of our mind as
Moorish Americans and everythingthat we do, because that ensures
our success.
That makes sure that you know wewe're not getting caught up here
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out here and that we on theright track.
But I just I just wanted toshare that, you know, just
briefly, you know, to kind ofyou know put this phone in the
proper perspective, brother.
SPEAKER_02 (18:32):
Okay, so now if you can expound a little bit more on
a defined plan of the ages,okay, so you you just explained
that part, right?
Um, so now if you could expounda little bit more, like what is
in this document that you'vesent to me with uh Sharif and El
Bay and the other brother, Idon't know, I forgot the name.
SPEAKER_01 (18:54):
Yeah, yeah.
I think the other brothers, uh,one of the great wars from
Baltimore, uh, brother R.
Edward Dell, if that was nothim, you know, part itself
please give me.
Um, but um, yeah, so the divineplan of the age is basically
just a you know four orfive-part um plan, you know,
from the prophet noble Drew Alito make sure that we are always
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going in the right direction,you know, moving towards our
earthly and divine salvation.
And so the earthly salvation,right?
That's with the prophet, youknow, when he established the
Morris Science Temple ofAmerica, um, he says the only
sole foundation that allAsiatics must depend upon for
their earthly salvation asAmerican citizens.
(19:37):
All right, and so that earthlysalvation is um is taking care
of the the Negro condition orthe you know the this um this
permanent lower class has beencreated, you know, in you know,
in this nation, right?
And um, you know, some peoplewill say that we suffer with
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civilizator more too.
We're dead in the eyes of thelaw.
You know, we don't we lackpolitical representation, all of
the different things that peopleare bringing up, you know, there
is some truth in this stuff.
And so this earthly salvation istaking care of that issue.
And the prophet corrected this,you know, when he created the
more science temple of America,and within this institution is
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teaching us civics, right?
So every temple, because it's apart of our religion actually,
to be, you know, politicallyactive, to be, you know, um
civically intelligent enough sothat we're you know operated
properly, it's even a part ofour religion to um increase our
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economic security, right?
SPEAKER_04 (20:45):
Take financial resignation.
SPEAKER_01 (20:47):
That's right.
So we have religious literaturefrom our prophet of Allah.
It says that the preaching ofeconomic security or the
doctrine of economic security isby no means as widespread as it
needs to be.
So this is actually a part ofour religion opening up
businesses everywhere wherewe're at, increasing our
economic security, doing thisthrough our expression of Islam,
(21:11):
right?
So somebody can't come and say,oh no, you need to close down
those bakeries or you need toclose down those stores or
whatever, you know.
No, that's they're actually theywould be, you know, going
against our religion.
It's like, no, that's no, thisis what we do.
So we, you know, we take care ofthat, right?
That economic security and arealso our increasing our
(21:32):
political power, right?
And so this is all a part of it,right?
Of everything that we do.
Um, and then when you're cominginto the temple, when it's also
teaching this nationality andthis divine creed, we're not
just saying, oh, we're Moors,we're descendants from you know
the ancient people or ancientcivilizations.
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We're coming in, we're actuallybeginning to reassemble as a
political body.
Now we're moving as MoorsAmerican Muslims.
This is what we stand for,right?
This is what we do.
We're gonna go ahead and supportthis person who's running for
office, right?
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You know, at the local level,because he's gonna do this for
us.
And this is the direction wemove in, you know, and and um,
you know, in doing this, youknow, increasing our you know,
social political positioning,right?
And just moving like that, nottalking about it on YouTube, not
you know, rah-rah, rah, youknow, telling people about it,
(22:37):
just doing it, because that'swhat everybody else is doing in
this country, you know, and umit's something that we lack as
um what regardless of what wecall ourselves black African
Americans, still Negroes, youknow, moving as black people's
African Americans, we don't havethat.
It just doesn't exist.
Now, there are you know, arepeople out there who are
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politically astute and some whoare trying to move in that
direction, and we need to worktogether with our brothers and
sisters to make things happenbecause as a collective, as a
people, we don't have that, youknow, think for ourselves what
are we gonna do.
I live in a city calledColumbus, Ohio.
We have a a large um largeEthiopian population here, large
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Somalian population here, a lotof Eritreans, right?
These East Africans, and umseveral other people here as
well.
I mean, you have Haitians,Dominicans here too.
And and the thing is that like,you know, just speaking
specifically about likeEthiopians and Somalians when
they come here, right?
(23:42):
Or they have children that areeven children that are born
here, they're thinking like,okay, we gotta put some of our
people in, you know, position.
You know, history council andCongress and all that.
They're doing all that, right?
And so even if you think becausehere's the thing, they'll have
children.
Yeah, I hope I'm not getting toofar off, but this falls in
alignment with the divine planof the ages because we don't see
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ourselves like this.
So they might have children whowere born here or who've been
here so long that they might aswell have been born here, and so
they act just like us in thenegative, you know, we're doing
the things that we do, and um,but they still have a mentality
because of their parents to lookout for their community, and so
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it's not just every man forhimself, they're moving as a
unit, they're getting certainneighborhoods that they control,
even if they all don't livethere, there's some that they
control, you know, just likeChinatown, they doing it like
that too.
And so it's like all the Chinesepeople don't live in Chinatown,
all the Somalians don't live inwhatever Somalian neighborhood
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they got, but they all got somekind of ties to it.
Maybe they got a store there,you know, and they know they can
go there and get things done andnot and just have a dollar
circulate within theircommunity.
They can go to that thatSomalian store and buy
something, and that dollar, thewhatever they spend there, it's
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just gonna keep going throughoutthat community.
It don't even have to leavebecause they eventually they're
gonna have people, they're gonnahave lawyers, they're gonna have
banks, they're gonna haveeverything that they need.
unknown (25:19):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (25:20):
So that's why, yeah, this nationality and divine
creed, it ain't played out.
This divine plan of the ages isstill relevant because we, I
mean, we talk about it.
Our people aren't stupid, likeyou know, we know that our
dollars don't circulatethroughout our community.
So the prophet brought this backto us, and he brought this to us
(25:41):
a hundred years ago, but it'srelevant today, right?
And then he also uh a part ofthis um, a huge part of this
divine plan of the ages is whichI want to speak on is these free
national standards, right?
SPEAKER_02 (25:57):
And this is still this is I don't mean to cut your
wisdom.
SPEAKER_01 (26:00):
This is still in the earthly salvation, yeah, yeah,
okay, because the earthly, Imean, like for most of us,
that's what we're reallyconcerned about.
Because it's like we really, youknow, we here, we're dealing
with this stuff, right?
So the free national standards,big huge part of the divine plan
of the agents, because freenational standards is actually
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what makes a nation free, allright.
Um, I'll break it down.
Free national standard, freemeaning not under legal
constraint of another uhnational pertaining to a
political community, and thenstandard, which is you know, uh
a model that's deemed perfect ordeemed correct.
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So we have our own model that'sdeemed perfect to correct.
We have our own free nationalstandard.
So we're not looking at anyoneelse or copying anyone else or
trying to be like anyone else,where someone can say, oh no,
no, you you you're not supposedto be doing that.
No.
No, we have our own.
And so that makes us capable ofself-government, right?
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Because even if everything shutdown, we still can be civilized.
We're not gonna be, you know,raping and robbing each other
and doing terrible things,horrible.
No, we we can keep it going, wecan make it get even better.
We good, you know.
Y'all want to shut everythingdown?
We good, we fine, right?
So we are capable of doing this,right?
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And and continue the pursuit ofhappiness and not be subject to
another's power, another'sdominion.
So these free nationalstandards, they allow us to be
ourselves, to be Muslims, right?
And we're we're living by thelaws of our our our forefathers,
and we're able to do thisunobstructed upon, right?
So this gives us freedom.
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And it also, you know, it keepsus within the bounds of
righteousness.
So when we follow in these freenational standards, man, we're
able to act on our own, do whatwe need to do, and um to do it
unobstructed by anyone else.
Nobody can say you can't dothat.
No, these are our free nationalstandards, leave us alone.
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All right, and then um theanother part of the divine plan
of the ages, um, with theprophet bringing us, you know,
returning our nationality to usand our you know, our our um
divine creed, the spirituality,that's also a legal identity.
All right, because the Moslem isa noun, right?
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Moorish American is anadjective, an adjective is a
description, the noun is theidentity.
So by being Moorish AmericanMoslems, we're connected to to
um um ecclesiastical governance,right, right, Islamic
jurisprudence, and now we cananswer up to the constitutional
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standard or the constitutionalfold, because everyone must know
their divine creed andnationality, right?
Everybody, even though we're in2025, 2026, and people, you
know, most people of whateverbackgrounds that they are,
unless they're family or recentimmigrants or somewhere else, a
lot of people don't really knowgoing back that far.
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And it don't matter what theylook like, you know what I'm
saying?
They like the average whiteperson.
What are you?
German and French, got someIndian in me.
They they don't they don't know.
They grandfather might look likeyou, and they don't know because
a lot of people used to pass,you know, a lot of people back
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in the early 1900s were passingin the 1800s, and so a lot of
these so called white peoplehave, you know, Asiaticism.
So I'm just saying, like, it'sit's not saying that, like,
okay, I I I get it, I understandeverybody doesn't know all of
this stuff, but at some point intime, you know.
They ancestors came over here,immigrated here, they had to
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answer up to the constitutionalstandard.
They had to declare their umtheir uh pre-national name.
Gotcha.
And defined to me.
Everybody has to, because youhave to be civilized.
Everybody has to, you know, tobe respected, to be treated um,
you know, properly, withrespect, to have to fall up
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under the constitution.
SPEAKER_02 (30:28):
Right.
Now, can is it is there any wayyou can show and prove as to
why, or can you show and provethe fact that because we um uh
uh uh um use names that alludeto slavery and and and and
things like that, would can youshow and prove that's the reason
why we get the treatment that weget?
SPEAKER_01 (30:52):
Okay, so I would say it's not so much the labels,
just because we still cling tothose labels.
I understand that's in ourconstitution, but I think
there's more to that when it'ssaying that we you know suffer
because we we cling to thelabels that delude to slavery,
those labels delude to slavery,and we see like and um when the
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prophet was saying that Negro,even though it was like hell on
our people because of Jim Crowand all that, it wasn't as bad
as it is today.
That would sound crazy tosomebody because you're thinking
back then it was bad, but it'slike no, back then in the early
1900s, our people were seen aslike the moral compass for the
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entire nation.
People thought we werecivilized, they thought that we
were spiritual, and nobody seesus like that now.
So now they say you're Pakistanior Indian or whatever, and
you're here, you have a family,you love your little daughter,
and she's a grown young lady,and she wants to get with a
(31:59):
nigga, and you're looking athim, and his pants are sagging
and stuff, and you're like, Idon't want my daughter to be a
baby mama, you know?
You're looking like it's notbecause he had he clings to the
term, you know, it doesn'tmatter what he calls himself, it
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might not even be hatred orracism.
You it's going off of theperception of what's you know
promoted for these people, likethey don't have standards, you
know, they're not Muslims, theydon't, I mean, they they're
supposed to be Christians,they're not practicing that
either.
We don't know what they are,they're infidels, like they
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don't, you know, and and ofcourse, you can't put that on
all of our people because somepeople are like that, but that's
what gets put on us.
Like the culture.
What is the culture of the blackAmerican?
SPEAKER_02 (32:58):
I mean, me personally, I can I could I
could answer that, but you know,um but please share, just yeah,
it's valid.
Now, when I when I say okay, nowfirst off, um you know, I I I
proclaimed my nationality yearsago, so I already know you know
the deal.
But uh if I had to put if youknow I if I had to put it in
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layman's terms and say whatblack culture is, quote unquote,
I would say it encompasses allof the teachings.
NOI, uh uh the teachers of NobleJoe Ali, 5%, uh uh the black
Christian church, uh, you know,African Methodist, uh Prince
(33:43):
Hall Masonry, um uh jazz, uh hiphop, um I mean I could go on and
on and on.
So I would say that would be theculture.
It's it's it's it's it's vast.
SPEAKER_01 (33:58):
Definitely.
You know, and it's huge, andit's not even all the same
because somebody from Louisianain practicing is that same as
somebody from NYC, of course.
SPEAKER_02 (34:09):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (34:10):
And so like it's vast, and it's you know, and um
unfortunately we we're notreally um in control of our
image of what we promote to theworld.
Like we used to have a BET, andthat's no longer even under
control of people that mighthave some kind of concern, you
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know, because the old BET backin the day they used to have a
news program and they got rid ofthat where they had like the BET
uncut and they just started justdumbing it down, and it's like
now they don't do any of that,right?
So it's out of our control.
Other people thought that it wasimportant to control black
media, to control the image thatgoes out to the world.
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And so if you live in Argentina,even if you live somewhere
where, like, you know, melanatedpeople, a lot of melanated
people like Nigeria or somewherelike that, the image that you
get of black Americans may onlybe negativity, may only be, you
know, the the negative rapmusic, the the shows like power
(35:20):
and all that stuff.
We selling drugs, we're doingall this.
That's what you see.
That's all that gets pushed outto the world, it's socialized
and sold to the world.
This is the nigga.
I even saw, and part of mylanguage, I saw a comedian who
was like from um pardon, he wasfrom somewhere in Africa, and he
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was making a joke talking abouthow he wanted to come to America
and become a nigga, a nigga, andlike he saw the stuff he saw the
Nelly old video where he slidingthe credit card to the woman's
backside and all that stuff.
Oh, I think I saw that one, andit's like, yeah, it's funny, but
it's this is what gets promotedto the world, you know, and so
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and we're not in control ofthat.
We don't even have like acouncil, it's like you know,
meeting like we must takecontrol of our image, you know.
We don't have anything seriouslike that.
That's what this divine plan ofthe ages is about.
We supposed to have that, youknow.
Like some other people do do,they do have those councils, and
nobody knows about it becauseyou don't need to, right?
(36:24):
They they control it.
They're like, no, we are notgonna have these negative images
of Jews going out, you know, andand you don't even hear about
them.
SPEAKER_02 (36:33):
Like the JDL, the Jewish defense league.
SPEAKER_01 (36:36):
Yeah, they'll they're gonna get it shut down.
SPEAKER_02 (36:38):
They're gonna get it shut down.
SPEAKER_01 (36:39):
They don't have to threaten anybody how openly hey,
if they come in for me, we likeuh yeah, we gotta we gotta stop
because they can get your lightsup, right?
SPEAKER_02 (36:50):
Yeah, weren't they uh uh uh uh uh um from what I
heard, you know.
Um I don't know if this is arumor or actual fact.
Um Tupac, weren't they onTupac's ass?
JDM.
SPEAKER_01 (37:03):
Yeah, I heard I heard that too, you know.
I mean, and if we see whathappened to him, I mean, like
they can get your own people todo it to you.
So it's like, look, you know, wedon't have that, you know.
I mean, we have the resourcesand the capability of doing it.
We have the manpower, we havethe people that are smart and
(37:23):
talented enough to do it, but wedon't so like you know, if if
like and even if you've beenoverseas like and seen this
coming from, you know, seeingtheir TV shows and what's
promoted, you see, it's like thenegative, you know, coonery,
it's the it's the worst image.
And so, yeah, if you come here,you're gonna be thinking like
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they're not even real people,like for some reason they don't
even care about their families,they don't think they need to
protect their you know, womenand children and keep them like
something wrong with them, youknow, and so yeah, that's why.
That's why I think what's evenmore important because in this
day and age, they can't push itlike they would have been able
(38:07):
to do in 1900, you know, withthis openly, I'm against you,
let's lynch them.
They that wouldn't fly.
So now they're like, okay, theycontrol our image, and they've
shown our backside to the world,literally, you know, with the
sag in the pants and stuff.
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Savage label, we even wear thatwith pride.
SPEAKER_02 (38:31):
Oh, when did that become popular?
SPEAKER_01 (38:34):
Man, dude, bro.
I was in the store, a clothingstore, and I'm in the the child
section, right?
The little boy section, and theygot they got the clothes, a
little hip hop bear, and it sayssavage on it, and these are for
little boys, and it's like awoman's gonna see that, she's
gonna, oh, that's cute, and getit for a child, you know,
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because you know it looks likeclothes, and so we send our you
know, we we taking it on, andthen savage and monster and and
beast mode, and we going withthat, and and that's also you
know, beast mode, wasn't thatthe dude song?
Uh Sicko Beast Mode, I forgotwhat his name was.
(39:15):
Uh it was the one guy, he he hishis concert, he is like one of
his last concerts, people gotkilled, it went crazy.
SPEAKER_02 (39:24):
Oh, Travis Scott, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:27):
So he he was beast mode, and people thought it was
cool, but it wasn't other peopledoing it, it was us.
They see us doing beast mode andsavage, and and and taking that
on like it's something to beproud of.
We happy, and and making otherpeople think it's cool, like,
hey, we we're trying toinfluence your children and your
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youth.
We trying to influence them togo the wrong way.
We want them to think it's coolto do drugs and sell drugs and
kill.
And so the image is like, whoa,whoa, we don't even want them
around our children.
They they are horrible people,you know.
Maybe they be somebody on apersonal level and they're
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talking to them, oh, you cool,you know.
Nothing like this, this is wherethey're thinking, they're not
gonna tell you that you'renothing like this image that I
had of you, you know, that wassold to me, you know, and so
like that's that's a problem.
And it's a problem that mostaren't even aware of how deep it
is.
SPEAKER_02 (40:30):
Now, now to go through the divine plan of ages,
now to control our narrative,our own narrative, our own, you
know, political uh uh you knowuh power, our own political
power, our own um uh media.
Um what now when you go throughthe divine plan of ages, um
(40:51):
what's the uh expart expartationand patriation?
Expatriation and ex and rerepatriation.
SPEAKER_01 (41:03):
Okay, so like um repatriation, coming back into
our own mindset.
I'll say it this time because Idon't want to throw people off
saying coming back into our ownnation because it's like man,
well God, you know, likephysically it fell, you know?
(41:23):
But coming back into thatmindset of understanding,
knowing that we have to work tocreate our own community, to
empower ourselves, to protectourselves, and um to do so
within the you know constraintsof where we're at now.
We're we we're citizens of theUnited States of America.
If anybody's saying anythingelse, I'm like gone somewhere,
(41:44):
you know, because like we don'twe can't live in fantasy land,
right?
So so we um are working justlike everyone else is doing to
build up our nation.
You have people here fromMexico, from Venezuela, they get
money and they send a portion ofit home, you know, to to cousins
(42:05):
of somebody that buy some landhere, get this, get that, you
know, empower themselves, buildup their nation, you know, and
you know, like they're thinkingon that level.
And so for us to hey, okay, wedon't have to send money nowhere
else.
We're gonna build it up here.
We can get land right here, wefix up our own communities.
Other people come into ourcommunities because the property
(42:28):
values are low, and it's likethe cheapest, you know, land,
the cheapest buildings and stuffto buy in town, and so we should
be taking advantage of thatbefore anybody else.
We should be, you know, likeother people come in and they
gentrify it, they make theprices go up, and you know, we
with the profit like debt andall that stuff, so we we're not
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victims, like, okay, that's theopportunity for us.
We can come in, we can fixthings up, we can make it nice,
we can make the neighborhoodbetter and and take control, and
you know, this is ourstronghold, and it traditional,
you know, so-called blackneighborhood.
And so, like, you know, it'sjust it's um that's that's a
(43:12):
part of the repatriation.
Expatriation coming out ofsomebody else's mindset, um,
where you're defined by somebodyelse.
The expatriation is because youhave your own free national
standards, you're coming intoyour own.
You're no longer defined bysomeone else.
What is a Morish AmericanMuslim?
You know, like do we are we justdown for whatever?
(43:35):
It's like you see a MorseAmerican Muslim, you know, young
man out there, you know, walkingaround sagging, he got the ski
mask on, he got the whole hood,hoodie uh costume on.
And you should be able to pullthem to the side, you know,
respectfully.
Like, you know, XYZ, that's why,you know, probably shouldn't be
(43:56):
doing that, and you know, shouldbe able to listen to you, you
know, like a human will be ableto do.
SPEAKER_04 (44:01):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (44:02):
Because I would assume like an Indian man or a
Pakistani man or a Chinese manwill be able to do that to their
own use, even though it's notyour son.
And they're gonna respect it.
That might not change nothing,but they're gonna respect it.
They're gonna shoot you, youknow, on the spot.
SPEAKER_02 (44:22):
So we we're supposed to be able to do that because we
have our own standards and ourown way of doing things, and
that that that that that newthat standard and own way of
doing things is repartition,repatriation, repatriation.
SPEAKER_01 (44:37):
Yeah, so that's the coming back into our own ways.
This is how we conduct business,this is how we move.
Everything that we do issupposed to fall within the
bounds of righteousness.
We have five divine principles,right?
So everything we do is supposedto fall within, you know, the
divine principles of love,truth, peace, freedom, and
(44:59):
justice because those are thefive highest principles known to
man.
So, like if me and you are doingbusiness, we're supposed to be
able to trust each other.
You ain't gotta worry about nosideways stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (45:11):
We're, you know, I keep hearing this right here.
I I hear this a lot when I speakto Moors.
I hear this a lot when I'm in ain Moorish circles.
That part right there, right?
That trust part, I'm supposed tobe able to trust you, you know,
uh, with the, you know, you'renot gonna do no snake business
(45:34):
or nothing like that, right?
unknown (45:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (45:37):
In a perfect world, yes, right?
Like, so I would love to be likethat.
That would be great, you know,if we were all on the same
accord.
And not only that, um we have somuch garbage in our minds from
being Negro, black, and color,is you know, it it takes some
(46:00):
mind, you know, likemind-changing, like
reprogramming to, you know, forthat.
You know, and and that I guessthat's where the uh the
teachings come in, the circleseven, one on one and all that.
SPEAKER_01 (46:15):
Yeah, and so that's why for us, the prophet's words,
the prophet Noble Drahi is it'sit's law for us.
Like for me, you know, thedivine constitution and bylaws,
um, even our Quranquestionnaire, our holy Quran,
right?
That's law.
So if you're not falling in linewith that, it's a problem, it's
(46:36):
an issue.
It's like, no, we can't do thistogether.
I don't even want you around myfamily, my children.
You know, I'll trust you.
I don't care what you claim tobe.
And it's you know, it might seemharsh, but it has to be like
that.
That's the peaceful way of doingit.
The other way of doing it is ifyou're claiming to be a more and
you're not in line, you know,somebody might be violent with
(46:58):
you, they might deal with youharshly, you know, because
you're you're you're you're umyou know out of line, and
there's repercussions for that.
But you know, the peacefulmanner is just not even dealing
with you.
You know, I don't care.
Claim to be, I don't care.
You're you're not real, youknow.
And that don't mean like, youknow, attacking people or
nothing.
It just means you know you can'ttrust them.
(47:20):
It lets you know in there thatyou know there's people, you
know, when when we're you know,under the carnal mind, when our
our carnal mind is ruling us, welove the darkness.
We love it.
And it don't matter what weclaim, it doesn't matter how
charismatic it can be, we lovethe darkness and we hate the
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light.
So there's nothing you can do.
I mean, like that's at the endof the day, that's that ensures
our success too.
You know, so like ideally, it'ssupposed to be hey, this I'm not
trying to do nothing to yourwife, I'm not trying to do
nothing to your children.
If we're dealing businesstogether, I'm not trying to get
over, take money from you.
(48:01):
If you left a hundred dollars,two hundred, a thousand dollars
on the table, like hey brother,you know, I'm giving your money,
like forget that.
I don't ain't no way in hell I'mtaking that, right?
But yeah, if we if we don'tinternalize this stuff, if we
don't take decisions, if it'snot a law, ain't no telling what
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they're gonna do.
SPEAKER_02 (48:23):
Right now, uh do you think that's possible for people
to internalize this and see uh,you know, maybe like they have
to see a stack of money and goto the one of the brothers or
sisters and say, hey man, youyou left your money, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (48:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely do.
I mean, you know, when I see Isee it, you know, across the
board with people who who takethe the measures um from the
prophet seriously, you know, butin order for people to to stay
with that, because that's likeyou know, feeling, you know,
feeling um in order for peopleto take it seriously, they have
(49:03):
to see improvement in theirlife, you know, at the end of
the day.
Like it had the these teachings,these lessons have to be
improving your life so that youknow that it's real, you know
that it works, right?
But yeah, I do see that you knowhappening with people from all
walks of life.
So I know it's real, I know it'spossible.
(49:23):
You know, I'm not saying likeonly people who's well off gonna
turn the money away.
Now, people, even somebody whodoesn't have it, who needs it,
who's struggling, they will.
Why?
Because they know this works,they know this is real.
SPEAKER_02 (49:36):
Indeed.
Now, civics and earthlysalvation for Moorish Americans.
Civics is the branch ofpolitical science that deals
with civic civic affairs and therights and duties of citizens.
Uh, Prophet Nobu Jali stated themission statement of Moorish, uh
of the Moorish Science TempleAmerica was is to uplift the
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fallen, uplift fallen humanity.
So, how do you see that?
Um, you know, the civics piece.
SPEAKER_01 (50:08):
Okay, so I'm gonna add one more thing to what you
said, what the prophet said theMoore Science Temple of America
was about.
Pardon, uh dry over here.
So, another portion to add tothat of what this is about, the
temple is also to make itsmembers better citizens.
(50:31):
And a lot of people um want toshy away from that because of
all the um crazy talking stuffthat's out there in the
internet.
People are so like far gone theydon't even know.
They think being a citizen meansbeing a slave.
Being a citizen means you're amember of a free rural society.
That means that you havecapability of you know forming
(50:53):
the government, you know, to fityou, to serve you, right?
And so um, you know, bettercitizens means empowered,
unified, politically uh educatedpeople.
That's what real sit bettercitizens are.
So if in the school system,they're not really like they do
(51:15):
all right jobs, but they're notreally showing us how like at
the local level, you know, hey,get involved with the school
board, with the you know, thecity council, all of those
things so that you can fix andmake sure that this is why I
think this is why I think uhthey do an all right job.
SPEAKER_02 (51:31):
I think the school is supposed to set the tone,
right?
To give the basics, right?
And then it's you know, assumingI don't know, whoever created
this system years ago, they'veassumed that the family
structure was gonna stay tight,the community was gonna stay
(51:51):
tight, and the local politicswould would all you know come
together and stay together.
But it it's it's not like thatanymore.
At one point it was, and thenthings have changed due to
social, social and economicengineering.
SPEAKER_01 (52:09):
Yeah.
And so that I mean, that's noteven really a bad thing because
maybe in some communities likeum in Ohio, Pennsylvania, we
have the Amish communities outhere.
Maybe within the Amishcommunities, they do pick up,
you know, the kind and keep itgoing, and they make sure that
they're civically educated, youknow.
Because then some of the Amishcommunities, their children go
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to public schools with the otherchildren, right?
And they do go in there, theyeven have Amish teachers in
there, you know, and then theygo back into their communities.
I've seen that, like, and so I'mjust saying that because there's
like ways that it can be done,you know, in this reality in the
modern times for real.
And you don't have to bedependent on the government to
(52:54):
do that.
Like within the temple, we cando that to make sure that okay,
we we know what we're supposedto do.
And those of us who are morepolitically astute, you know,
maybe can you know do this workon our behalf, right?
To make sure we're informed andwe're doing this and we're
moving in certain directions,you know, but we still have to
(53:14):
be um educated to a certaindegree to make sure that those
people don't get corrupt andthey're just taking handouts or
whatever, you know.
So it's like, you know, we atthe end of the day, like we
can't put the um blame off onanyone else.
unknown (53:29):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (53:30):
But you know, we it does have to be a part of our
life, how we live, even in thehousehold, like you were saying,
like with the family.
We have to take it seriously andget involved.
And so this is, you know, thisis a portion, a portion of the
divide plan of the ages, likegetting back into this, you
know, so that we can um takeadvantage of the opportunities
(53:51):
that we have, you know,anything.
That's one thing that I seenliving in a third so-called
third world country for likefive years, right?
The um where we lived at in umBrazil, Salvador, the Bahia,
like 90% of the population isAfro-Brazilian, and their
poverty is like extreme poverty.
(54:12):
Like, they you don't rise upfrom poverty, they don't have
nice um new libraries in thehood and stuff like that.
Like, just saying that becausethey just built one in this hood
called Driving Park, and it'sbrand new, and it's out here in
Columbus, and it's like theyhave like brand new everything
(54:33):
in there, you know, it's stateof the art, it's nice, and it's
like they built this for ourpeople because it's like you
look at the demographics, it'slike the people that's gonna be
going up in there, they looklike us, and so you know, they
you got access to high-speedinternet and all this stuff.
Like we have um we haveresources, we have everything
(54:55):
that we need right here toempower ourselves, and then on
top of that, we're from here andwe're generations in, so we
understand and know how thiscountry works.
We don't have to like learn anew culture or a new language,
like you know, somebody cominghere from some other country,
like, you know, we got this,right?
We got it, you know, and so youknow, this is really what it's
(55:19):
about.
It's like like the prophet, youknow, is looking at it like
y'all have everything that youneed.
That's why allegedly um there'sa uh a moment where he stood up
and told the Morris, you know,um he's holding up three items
the Quran, the Constitution, andthe the Quran course in there,
and he said, I brought youeverything that it needs that
you need, you know, to save yournation.
(55:41):
Uplift yourself and like take itand uplift yourselves.
Because we actually haveeverything that we need.
You know, we have all theresources, we have everything
here.
Um, you know, we just have tochange our mentality.
That's why most of the work isthe stuff that may turn some
people off, may seem boring topeople, the working on yourself.
(56:03):
When you go in the Quran, it'sall about working on ourselves,
subduing our lower self, gettingmore um control, you know,
gaining control over our carnaldesires, right?
Being able to think and move andact from the higher self, you
know, refining ourselves so thatwe can make better use of what
we have, so that we can betteremploy the talents that we
(56:25):
already have, you know.
Right, and that's on theindividual level.
Then the divine plan of the ageis the working together as a
unit now.
Okay, this is how we move.
So we we gonna take care ofourselves, you know,
politically, financially, youknow, um, you know,
economically, uh, politically,and socially.
(56:47):
So then we're good.
We can have, we can live, youknow, life how we see fit, even
here in America, unimposed upon.
We can control our owncommunities, whether we in the
middle of a city or out, youknow, in the boondocks, you
(57:08):
know, just like in the country.
unknown (57:10):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (57:11):
We can we can do it regardless of where we are.
And you know, and it doesn'teven take a whole lot of us, you
know.
We can do it in small patches.
It might only be a couplehundred in this city.
It's like serious enough to cometogether and work together to
push to make their community.
We can still get it done.
(57:31):
Hundreds, you know, moving inone direction, and actually,
that's a lot of power, you know.
But like we can get that up tothousands, too, you know.
But you gotta start from whereyou're working at, so it don't
even have to be a lot of us.
I definitely agree with the AdaMoore, the poverty is a mindset.
So once we change the mind,everything else falls in line.
(57:52):
We got to do that first.
SPEAKER_02 (57:53):
I I think that's where a lot of I would say
brothers.
Um I want to say, you know what,I want to say a lot.
I'm gonna say some brothers andsisters, they don't understand.
That's that was the pro that isthe prophet's mission.
The change internally, right?
You know, it's it's always, youknow, we all the prophet always
(58:14):
spoke about the lowest self andthe higher self.
The teachings in general alwaystalked about the lowest self and
the highest self, like subduingthe lowest self and rising above
and uh becoming like a a moreAmerican, like a new, like a
new, a new person, right?
And um, I think sometimes welike me myself personally, I
(58:36):
wasn't going into the temple touh change myself.
I was going into the temples forthe tax breaks.
Well yeah, yeah, they're likebrother, this is not the this is
not it.
That you came in here for thewrong things, and I'm like,
what?
And then they broke it down, andyou know, I stayed, you know
what I'm saying?
(58:56):
So, you know, um yeah, so so youknow, I I think a lot of uh a
lot of people or some peoplemissed that point right there,
you know, just like a brothercame into the chat earlier and
said, you know, everything isall that sounds good, and so you
you know you need to go andhandle some legal trouble.
You know, you know, this is notwhat this is about.
(59:19):
And that's the misconceptionabout the whole movement.
SPEAKER_01 (59:23):
Yep, definitely.
SPEAKER_02 (59:24):
Yeah, about the whole movement.
But you know, um, we're out oftime now.
Um I thank you for having uhthank you for coming up this
evening.
I really appreciate you.
Uh love to have you again.
Um and continue this build onthe uh divine plan of the age.
I want to continue this build onthis here.
(59:45):
Anything you want to say beforewe cut out of here?
SPEAKER_01 (59:48):
Uh yeah, definitely.
Uh brother, before I close, Ijust want to give honors to you.
Um, you're doing a great job.
I'm subscribed to you on my umregular YouTube and on my
Moiston America YouTube.
I Suggest everybody do the same.
Um, anybody that's already onMoors in America, make sure you
go over here and subscribe tothis brother's doing a great
job, great work.
(01:00:09):
Um interviewing across theboard, you know, across the
spectrum, which is importantbecause as you were saying
earlier, that's the culture.
You know, it's not just one way,one view, one way of looking at
things.
And so I definitely agree withyou.
And um, just before I close, Ijust wanted to share a couple of
things.
Um, want to invite everylistener um who felt the
(01:00:30):
message, you felt this, you feellike any of this was um was on
the right path.
Make sure that you um if you ifyou want to deepen your
understanding of the prophetnoble drew Ali's divine plan,
and you you know want to do thatwork to reclaim your national
identity.
Um you can start with my book,Unlocking the Keys.
(01:00:53):
Um you can you can findUnlocking the Keys on Amazon.
You can also go toMooresNAmerica.com.
We're doing some work on thewebsite, but you can get it from
me there.
And unlocking the keys basicallyuh my new book is a breakdown of
the um Quran questionnaire fromthe Moore Scientific Book of
America.
Um it gives you practical toolsfor self-mastery, right?
(01:01:17):
Because you know, the words thatare in there, these are you know
spiritual lessons, they reallyare keys.
We call the Quran questionskeys.
These really are keys that canhelp to unlock the power within
you.
So the powerful book to getthat's unlocking the keys.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:33):
Oh, real quick, I just want to make sure this is
the this is what they shouldcheck out.
Mooresinamerica.com, rightthere.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:38):
That's correct, brother.
Gratitude for sharing that.
You can get that book directlyfrom me, moresinamerica.com.
I'll autograph it for you, oryou can get it from Amazon.
You can always tap in with me onthe podcast.
Uh, the videos also um more's inAmerica on YouTube, now on
Instagram and TikTok too aswell.
And all is you can just go tomoresinamerica.com.
(01:01:59):
So if you want to get the bookfrom me, just go to
moresinamerica.com.
Um, also, uh, just wanted to sayuh a few things before I close.
Also, just want to invite youall to connect with the actual
institutions that we're buildingfor our people.
If you are interested instrengthening your home,
improving relationships, um,just learning about the divine
(01:02:23):
partnership, you know, ofmarriage or obligation.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02:26):
Oh, nice.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02:27):
We are creating a Moorish marriage council.
unknown (01:02:29):
Nice.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02:30):
Go to Mooreshmarriage.com.
All right, this is a work inprogress, but I I expect to have
Ashley up and running um as wego into this new year, 2026.
So go to Morris Marriage.com.
Uh, we'll be hosting sessions,discussions, and and moving up
to actual physical gatherings,right?
(01:02:50):
Well, we're coming togetherbecause what we really have to
do is restore the foundation offamily life in our community.
The family is supposed to be soimportant and just like you
don't mess with the Moore familyat all, you know, and so we we
you know re-establishing thatand uh bringing that to the
forefront.
(01:03:11):
And for those in Ohio, centralOhio, especially, right Columbus
area, but then also um anywherein Ohio and even nationwide, you
can tap in with our commute ourtemple.
We are Unity Temple number 30.
And you can go just to MoorishAmericans.com.
Yeah, the information on thereto reach out, tap in.
(01:03:34):
Um if you're in Columbus, Ohio,join us on November 23rd for our
community food giveaway.
We'll be serving the people,giving back, showing actually
what Islam looks like in action.
So if you want to come support,volunteer, bring someone who may
be in need.
Um you can go to care morecare-more.org.
(01:04:02):
If you would like to get moreinformation about the upcoming
giveaway, or if you just want todonate to assist us in that
great work of upliftingfollowing humanity, go to
care-more.org.
And this is all a part of thedivine work.
So, you know, I just ask if youwant to assist, join us, you
know, or you can you know, sendsome support.
And the same likewise with thetemple at Morris Americans.com.
(01:04:26):
Thank you, thank you.
Gratitude to you for opening upyour platform to me, brother.
I support you, I support whatyou're doing, doing a great job,
and thank you.
SPEAKER_02 (01:04:34):
You're welcome, you're welcome.
On that note, we are out ofhere.
Thank y'all for joining us thisevening, people in the chat, uh,
and the viewers, etc.
Next podcast, Friday evening,and we are out of here.
Peace.
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SPEAKER_02 (01:41):
All right, all right.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you for coming out, uh,Brother Uh Lloyd.
Really appreciate you for comingout.
Moores in America, that is yourplatform there on Facebook, huh?
SPEAKER_01 (01:54):
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
That is my platform.
It's uh Moores in America onFacebook, also on YouTube, also
the website, Moores inAmerica.com, uh, Instagram.
Just made it uh recently aTikTok, so make sure you you uh
uh link up with Moores inAmerica.
SPEAKER_02 (02:13):
All right.
Is there any way you can takethat uh sound?
It's like some kind of sound onyour mic.
It sounds like you're about todo a rap concert.
SPEAKER_01 (02:23):
Oh man, it's the settings on here.
SPEAKER_02 (02:25):
Let me it sound like you're about to really hey yo,
what's popping?
SPEAKER_01 (02:33):
Yeah, what to make sure we don't have auto-tune on.
SPEAKER_02 (02:39):
It's still it's still it's still on there.
But I mean, uh you know, if youcould fix it, that'd be great.
If not, man, we're gonna have tojust uh deal with it.
You know, sound is is veryimportant to the human ear, you
know.
If the sound is off, you know,people tune out a little bit.
You know what I mean?
So yeah, thanks to thanks forcoming out this evening,
everybody.
I really appreciate you.
We're gonna get into this buildwith this brother.
(03:00):
I just want to let y'all knowthis brother sells fezes.
Where is uh Ben right now whoneeds the fez, man?
He sells fezes.
SPEAKER_01 (03:12):
We we've got you.
You you can see some of thembehind me, but um just just go
to moorishfez.com.
M-O-O-R-I-S-H-E-Z, MoorishFez.com.
We get you Moorish Americanowned and operated.
We actually put this together.
We have you more so um you know,100% wool, you know, the leather
(03:35):
sweatband on the inside,everything.
We we got you covered.
SPEAKER_02 (03:39):
That's peace.
That's peace.
Right now, you still sound likeDMC, but it's all good for run
DMC.
Tom, Tom, down with the kid.
SPEAKER_01 (03:53):
Mike check how we sounding now.
We we all right?
SPEAKER_02 (03:56):
Yeah, that's better.
That's better.
Let's do that again.
SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
Yeah, yeah.
We good now.
SPEAKER_02 (04:00):
Okay, we good now.
All right, perfect, perfect.
All right, so now uh, first off,uh, you know, everyone just you
know getting to know you on theplatform.
Um, you know, I like to breakdown history a little bit before
we go into the actual bill.
So what is your name?
Where are you from?
How did you get to MorrisScience, get into Morris
(04:21):
Science, and how long have youbeen in into the teachings?
SPEAKER_01 (04:25):
Okay, well, yeah, just to introduce myself, I have
brother, I'm your brother, LloydDouglas L, out of Columbus,
Ohio.
Uh, that's not where I'moriginally from, but I did make
way there uh from Toledo, Ohio,grew up in Memphis, Tennessee,
moved around, actually movedaround, lived a little bit
overseas for about five years inBrazil.
(04:48):
Moved overseas, came back hereto America.
Um, and as far as um studying uhMoorish science, I've actually
been studying this for a while,almost two decades now.
Uh many, many years ago in uh inMemphis, Tennessee, I met a
brother named Alihu PleasantBay, and just happened to meet
him by just by chance.
(05:09):
You know, was in the hood, saw abuilding that had some signs and
symbols on it that I didn't knowwhat they meant, but just
something inside me said, go inthere, check it out.
You know, and having no idea inMemphis, Tennessee, having no
idea what I'm gonna be walkinginto, but I go into the building
and there's a brother in there.
I think there was anotherbrother, two brothers in there,
(05:30):
and uh, one brother's in there.
He he has uh a book that he hadjust put out.
It's called Isom, it's calledthe zooming of the of the
nation, right?
And he had just put it out backthen.
This was like 20 years ago, andI come in and start talking to
him, and he started hitting mewith the knowledge, just letting
me know, hey, you know, you'renot black or African American or
(05:51):
whatever you want to callyourself, nigga, all that stuff.
He's like, and he started tobreak it down, and it just made
sense right away, you know.
It made sense, and um, you know,just that got me started in that
direction, you know, because Iwent through like pretty much
all the schools of thought,which is what a lot of us do,
you know, um, looking intoeverything, the nations of God's
(06:14):
earth, um, the nation of Islam,uh, Ala Kayor, pretty much
everything that you can thinkof.
You know, we've been down thatroad.
Then as well as traveling, youknow, uh around the country and
then overseas to just opening upthe eyes, seeing things.
And for me, it was coming fullcircle, coming back to um what
(06:36):
you would say more science, youknow, Islam, and having a
better, more well-roundedunderstanding of it just because
of life experience.
SPEAKER_02 (06:44):
Right.
Okay, okay.
So now when did you get intomore science and like what year
in particular?
SPEAKER_01 (06:52):
So, yeah, um, first exposure to it and really
starting to study and learnabout the prophet and things
like that, I would say back inum probably around, I don't know
there's that year, but I'll saylike around 2003, 2004,
something like that.
So it's been well over a decade,not new to any of this.
SPEAKER_02 (07:10):
Right, right, right.
And now when you when you gotinto Elihu, is that's an Ilihu
Bay, right?
SPEAKER_01 (07:17):
Ilihu Pleasant Bay.
Um yeah, I met the brother andhe hit me up with some
information, like he has somebrochures and stuff.
I didn't join his organization,I just started studying on my
own.
I mean, the internet, you know,videos, seeing people like Taz
Tariq Bay and all this stuff,just doing their own studying.
(07:38):
That's that's what I had been onfor you know, for a while.
Before I came back and startedsaying, okay, let me calm down,
let me read this holy Quran andthe Morris High Temple of
America again to see what'sreally in there.
Because me reading that 20 yearsago, I'm just like, man, this is
just some church stuff.
(07:59):
Right.
I ain't trying to hear this, youknow what I'm saying?
Right.
That's that's where I was atmentally.
But um, you know, just sayingI've been on that path though
for a while.
SPEAKER_02 (08:09):
Okay.
So now you you picked up IlyhuPleasant's Pleasant Bay's
information.
You got into it 2003, 2004.
Um, and then before that, youwere like just studying
different things.
So when did you get that initialspark to look?
Was it like was it like 2000,99, 98, like in the 90s?
SPEAKER_01 (08:37):
Yeah, man.
I would say it's been there likeeven since the late 90s, you
know, just as a teenager, justwondering, wanting to know more,
and knowing that something wasoff.
You know, something was off withour people, just knowing that
something was off, you know,with us and with the world.
And um, like, you know, lookingto into everything that that
(08:59):
that was around, you know, tobecause like back then, like
when you're talking about like97, 98, even 99, even going into
the early 2000s, it wasn't likejust so easy to get information,
you know.
Like for us, like a lot of timesyou can get information in the
hood because there may besomebody.
Right.
There may be somebody withuniversal flag or you know, with
(09:21):
some some kind of symbology orsomething that would make you
think, okay, that brother mighthave some knowledge, you know?
And that would be the only way.
Like, there was a brother usedto be in um or this hood, this
uh neighborhood called OrangeMound, and he would be selling,
you know, tapes and stuff,bootlegs and stuff like that.
And he was like, he was a newwobby.
And and so, you know, I alwaystalk to him and like, yeah, you
(09:43):
got any new tapes?
Like, is there anything I couldsee?
Because it wasn't like YouTube,you could just go and watch
videos, anything you could find.
So it was like, you know, youhad to get out and talk to
people and travel and meetpeople and actually read to
learn.
It wasn't so easy.
So, you know, I had to get outand talk to library and all
(10:04):
that, and it took time too,because you had to go through
you know the school of thought.
You have to actually go throughthings and meet people and walk
those, you know, that path sothat you could learn things,
right?
Because it yeah, it wasn't justit wasn't just like it is now
with just the internet and soeasy YouTube.
So that's that's the path that Iwalk through, just going, you
(10:24):
know, and talking to people andbuilding and learning over time,
right?
SPEAKER_02 (10:29):
Oh, brother uh Ben.
Uh Ben is in the building.
Yo, uh Ben, this is the brother.
Uh I sent you his website.
I sent you his website, brother.
Get this is where you can getthe Fez, brother.
SPEAKER_01 (10:41):
He's got yeah, yeah.
MorrisFez.com.
SPEAKER_02 (10:43):
We we have you covered, we we get it out
there.com of Ben by two, threeof them Johns, man.
SPEAKER_01 (10:51):
Yeah, got you on these turbines too, like the the
one you see I'm wearing.
We got those two.
Uh you can get it from me.
Uh just go to Morris, just go toMorrisandAmerica.com.
We had the we had a turban wrapstoo.
SPEAKER_02 (11:02):
So how's that?
You just put it, you just put iton like this, or how's it?
SPEAKER_01 (11:07):
Yeah, this this joint, like it's got this, uh,
you know, on the inside, likekind of like satin, kind of like
silk almost, you know.
So if you have like maybe ashort hair or or or braids or
something like that, you know,keep everything tight, and then
it just wraps around so easy,man.
Just boom.
Oh, nice double wrap, and you'regood to go.
(11:29):
And you know, it's got thetassels and everything on it,
you know, nice, you know,cultural flex, and and and it's
not like you're wearing ado-rag, man.
It's a it's a turban becauseliterally this wraps around
twice, this rope, and it's thateasy, and you're good to go.
SPEAKER_02 (11:45):
Indeed, indeed.
That's peace.
That's peace.
Before we go into today's build,it's all uh Jacob Ladders said
it's all good and sounds goodtill someone needs legal help,
and then that person is frownedupon and shunned.
You know why?
Because the Moorish ScienceTemple of America or Moors in
(12:06):
general, it's it's not about alegal thing.
It's not about a legal, it's notabout a legal come-up or you
know, or trying to play a lawyeror anything like that.
You know, so that's where you'regoing wrong, brother.
You you're in the wrong placelooking for the wrong thing.
You know what I mean?
So that's what that is, brother.
(12:27):
But uh, let's go into it.
We're talking about NobleJuali's Divine Plan of the Age.
Now, um, you sent me some, yousent me an email with something
the brother uh Sharif Bey wrote,right?
SPEAKER_01 (12:47):
Yeah, um, so I sent uh one document, I believe
that's from the brother R.
Edwards L.
Maybe just like some of histhoughts on the divine plan of
the ages, and then also, yeah,from that good brother Sharif
Daniel Bay.
He he has a book, The Blueprint,where he talks about the divine
plan of the ages.
SPEAKER_02 (13:08):
Okay, so let's let's talk about that.
Uh the divine plan of the ages,and um, you know, let's expound
upon that.
Let's break that down.
SPEAKER_01 (13:20):
Okay, so this yes, this is a great discussion.
This is gonna be a greatdiscussion and powerful.
Um, the divine plan of the agesbasically it's it's a very
simple, I guess you could say,four or five part um structure,
just with the the ideology orthe plan that the prophet wanted
this movement that he intendedfor us to go in, right?
(13:43):
To ensure our earthly and ourdivine salvation or success, you
could say.
All right, and so um, you know,it's actually very simple, to
the point, and straightforward.
There's nothing really mysticalor hard to understand about it.
It's just something that'ssimple that gives us a plan so
(14:06):
we can look at what we're doingor what we're discussing or
talking about to say, okay, isthis in alignment with the plan?
It's not, maybe we should, youknow, leave that to the side.
So it keeps us marching forward,you know, towards the goal.
Um, I had a little graphic Iwanted to put up here if you
wouldn't mind if I could, butyeah, let's let's put that up.
(14:27):
Yeah, so um basically, right?
Uh okay, what okay, okay, I seeit.
I see it.
SPEAKER_02 (14:39):
And for my my my um I gotta get a I get I gotta get
fitted.
Brother, you don't you take thatwhat they call him, Jones?
Uh turbine rap.
SPEAKER_01 (14:53):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:53):
No, he has to measure his head.
SPEAKER_01 (14:55):
Oh, the tape measure, yo, and I got that
right here.
I'm gonna I'm glad you saidsomething, bro.
I got a tape measure right here,right?
And I'm saying, like, you know,you take it out of there and
it's real flimsy, you can justwrap it around.
Measure your head before you getthe fez.
unknown (15:14):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
Um we have we have an eight and a half size fez.
If you, you know, man, if youlike wearing, you know, head,
headgear, you know, a lot, youalready know eight and a half is
pretty large.
And so that's like most of thepeople that get there have
locks.
And so it's like we have threesizes on there right now.
So you definitely want tomeasure your your head before
(15:35):
you order that.
Right, measure measures, you canget it from Walmart for like
probably under three dollars.
SPEAKER_02 (15:42):
Right, right.
Get that tape measure, brother.
Here we go.
SPEAKER_01 (15:48):
Okay, glad you got were able to put that up there.
So um, all right, so basically,the prophet is giving us a
two-part salvation, right?
Earthly, restoring us as anation among you know all the
other nations.
I'm gonna tell you real brieflywhy that needs to be done.
And then divine restoring ourconsciousness as a part of
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Allah.
And then when you put thattogether, that's the divine plan
of the ages.
So the divine plan of the agesis working on ourselves so that
we can bring out our truepotential.
We are one, we are Allah, we areone with the Creator, you know,
and then um on the second part,you know, doing that physical
work that we need to do toempower ourselves, right?
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To be, you know, not just tohave be recognized, but
respected as a nation, right?
Amongst others.
And so um this this restoring usas a nation among other nations
has to be done because we havefallen probably to the lowest of
lows, you know, as far as umpeople in the world, you know,
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as far as how we're perceived,um what what people think of us,
right?
We're we we fall into the lowestof the low.
Um, people see um us, you know,as far as the music and the
movies and all that promoting,you know, negativity, right?
And so, you know, and then theylook at us thinking that we we
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don't even take care of ourfamilies, we don't care about
you know being married andraising our children together.
People think of us in the low asthe low.
So we have to take care of that.
We have to, but that's aninternal thing, you know, fixing
ourselves, restoring ourselves.
So it wouldn't matter where youlive, you know, you'd be good.
And um, that takes care ofeverything, even the legal stuff
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that the brother was talkingabout, because then we start to
build ourselves up.
We don't have these problemsthat we haven't, you know.
And then the divine, of course,as we improve our mind as we
connect to our true nature.
You can't be, you know, uh alaw, you can't be spirit, man,
one with your higher self andstill be oppressed and still be
getting taken advantage of.
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You can't.
It just it is impossible, itwon't happen.
And so that kind of takes careof everything as well.
So, you know, that's that'salways gotta be in the at least
in the back of our mind or inthe forefront of our mind as
Moorish Americans and everythingthat we do, because that ensures
our success.
That makes sure that you know wewe're not getting caught up here
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out here and that we on theright track.
But I just I just wanted toshare that, you know, just
briefly, you know, to kind ofyou know put this phone in the
proper perspective, brother.
SPEAKER_02 (18:32):
Okay, so now if you can expound a little bit more on
a defined plan of the ages,okay, so you you just explained
that part, right?
Um, so now if you could expounda little bit more, like what is
in this document that you'vesent to me with uh Sharif and El
Bay and the other brother, Idon't know, I forgot the name.
SPEAKER_01 (18:54):
Yeah, yeah.
I think the other brothers, uh,one of the great wars from
Baltimore, uh, brother R.
Edward Dell, if that was nothim, you know, part itself
please give me.
Um, but um, yeah, so the divineplan of the age is basically
just a you know four orfive-part um plan, you know,
from the prophet noble Drew Alito make sure that we are always
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going in the right direction,you know, moving towards our
earthly and divine salvation.
And so the earthly salvation,right?
That's with the prophet, youknow, when he established the
Morris Science Temple ofAmerica, um, he says the only
sole foundation that allAsiatics must depend upon for
their earthly salvation asAmerican citizens.
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All right, and so that earthlysalvation is um is taking care
of the the Negro condition orthe you know the this um this
permanent lower class has beencreated, you know, in you know,
in this nation, right?
And um, you know, some peoplewill say that we suffer with
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civilizator more too.
We're dead in the eyes of thelaw.
You know, we don't we lackpolitical representation, all of
the different things that peopleare bringing up, you know, there
is some truth in this stuff.
And so this earthly salvation istaking care of that issue.
And the prophet corrected this,you know, when he created the
more science temple of America,and within this institution is
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teaching us civics, right?
So every temple, because it's apart of our religion actually,
to be, you know, politicallyactive, to be, you know, um
civically intelligent enough sothat we're you know operated
properly, it's even a part ofour religion to um increase our
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economic security, right?
SPEAKER_04 (20:45):
Take financial resignation.
SPEAKER_01 (20:47):
That's right.
So we have religious literaturefrom our prophet of Allah.
It says that the preaching ofeconomic security or the
doctrine of economic security isby no means as widespread as it
needs to be.
So this is actually a part ofour religion opening up
businesses everywhere wherewe're at, increasing our
economic security, doing thisthrough our expression of Islam,
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right?
So somebody can't come and say,oh no, you need to close down
those bakeries or you need toclose down those stores or
whatever, you know.
No, that's they're actually theywould be, you know, going
against our religion.
It's like, no, that's no, thisis what we do.
So we, you know, we take care ofthat, right?
That economic security and arealso our increasing our
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political power, right?
And so this is all a part of it,right?
Of everything that we do.
Um, and then when you're cominginto the temple, when it's also
teaching this nationality andthis divine creed, we're not
just saying, oh, we're Moors,we're descendants from you know
the ancient people or ancientcivilizations.
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We're coming in, we're actuallybeginning to reassemble as a
political body.
Now we're moving as MoorsAmerican Muslims.
This is what we stand for,right?
This is what we do.
We're gonna go ahead and supportthis person who's running for
office, right?
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You know, at the local level,because he's gonna do this for
us.
And this is the direction wemove in, you know, and and um,
you know, in doing this, youknow, increasing our you know,
social political positioning,right?
And just moving like that, nottalking about it on YouTube, not
you know, rah-rah, rah, youknow, telling people about it,
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just doing it, because that'swhat everybody else is doing in
this country, you know, and umit's something that we lack as
um what regardless of what wecall ourselves black African
Americans, still Negroes, youknow, moving as black people's
African Americans, we don't havethat.
It just doesn't exist.
Now, there are you know, arepeople out there who are
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politically astute and some whoare trying to move in that
direction, and we need to worktogether with our brothers and
sisters to make things happenbecause as a collective, as a
people, we don't have that, youknow, think for ourselves what
are we gonna do.
I live in a city calledColumbus, Ohio.
We have a a large um largeEthiopian population here, large
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Somalian population here, a lotof Eritreans, right?
These East Africans, and umseveral other people here as
well.
I mean, you have Haitians,Dominicans here too.
And and the thing is that like,you know, just speaking
specifically about likeEthiopians and Somalians when
they come here, right?
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Or they have children that areeven children that are born
here, they're thinking like,okay, we gotta put some of our
people in, you know, position.
You know, history council andCongress and all that.
They're doing all that, right?
And so even if you think becausehere's the thing, they'll have
children.
Yeah, I hope I'm not getting toofar off, but this falls in
alignment with the divine planof the ages because we don't see
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ourselves like this.
So they might have children whowere born here or who've been
here so long that they might aswell have been born here, and so
they act just like us in thenegative, you know, we're doing
the things that we do, and um,but they still have a mentality
because of their parents to lookout for their community, and so
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it's not just every man forhimself, they're moving as a
unit, they're getting certainneighborhoods that they control,
even if they all don't livethere, there's some that they
control, you know, just likeChinatown, they doing it like
that too.
And so it's like all the Chinesepeople don't live in Chinatown,
all the Somalians don't live inwhatever Somalian neighborhood
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they got, but they all got somekind of ties to it.
Maybe they got a store there,you know, and they know they can
go there and get things done andnot and just have a dollar
circulate within theircommunity.
They can go to that thatSomalian store and buy
something, and that dollar, thewhatever they spend there, it's
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just gonna keep going throughoutthat community.
It don't even have to leavebecause they eventually they're
gonna have people, they're gonnahave lawyers, they're gonna have
banks, they're gonna haveeverything that they need.
unknown (25:19):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (25:20):
So that's why, yeah, this nationality and divine
creed, it ain't played out.
This divine plan of the ages isstill relevant because we, I
mean, we talk about it.
Our people aren't stupid, likeyou know, we know that our
dollars don't circulatethroughout our community.
So the prophet brought this backto us, and he brought this to us
(25:41):
a hundred years ago, but it'srelevant today, right?
And then he also uh a part ofthis um, a huge part of this
divine plan of the ages is whichI want to speak on is these free
national standards, right?
SPEAKER_02 (25:57):
And this is still this is I don't mean to cut your
wisdom.
SPEAKER_01 (26:00):
This is still in the earthly salvation, yeah, yeah,
okay, because the earthly, Imean, like for most of us,
that's what we're reallyconcerned about.
Because it's like we really, youknow, we here, we're dealing
with this stuff, right?
So the free national standards,big huge part of the divine plan
of the agents, because freenational standards is actually
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what makes a nation free, allright.
Um, I'll break it down.
Free national standard, freemeaning not under legal
constraint of another uhnational pertaining to a
political community, and thenstandard, which is you know, uh
a model that's deemed perfect ordeemed correct.
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So we have our own model that'sdeemed perfect to correct.
We have our own free nationalstandard.
So we're not looking at anyoneelse or copying anyone else or
trying to be like anyone else,where someone can say, oh no,
no, you you you're not supposedto be doing that.
No.
No, we have our own.
And so that makes us capable ofself-government, right?
(27:04):
Because even if everything shutdown, we still can be civilized.
We're not gonna be, you know,raping and robbing each other
and doing terrible things,horrible.
No, we we can keep it going, wecan make it get even better.
We good, you know.
Y'all want to shut everythingdown?
We good, we fine, right?
So we are capable of doing this,right?
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And and continue the pursuit ofhappiness and not be subject to
another's power, another'sdominion.
So these free nationalstandards, they allow us to be
ourselves, to be Muslims, right?
And we're we're living by thelaws of our our our forefathers,
and we're able to do thisunobstructed upon, right?
So this gives us freedom.
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And it also, you know, it keepsus within the bounds of
righteousness.
So when we follow in these freenational standards, man, we're
able to act on our own, do whatwe need to do, and um to do it
unobstructed by anyone else.
Nobody can say you can't dothat.
No, these are our free nationalstandards, leave us alone.
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All right, and then um theanother part of the divine plan
of the ages, um, with theprophet bringing us, you know,
returning our nationality to usand our you know, our our um
divine creed, the spirituality,that's also a legal identity.
All right, because the Moslem isa noun, right?
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Moorish American is anadjective, an adjective is a
description, the noun is theidentity.
So by being Moorish AmericanMoslems, we're connected to to
um um ecclesiastical governance,right, right, Islamic
jurisprudence, and now we cananswer up to the constitutional
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standard or the constitutionalfold, because everyone must know
their divine creed andnationality, right?
Everybody, even though we're in2025, 2026, and people, you
know, most people of whateverbackgrounds that they are,
unless they're family or recentimmigrants or somewhere else, a
lot of people don't really knowgoing back that far.
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And it don't matter what theylook like, you know what I'm
saying?
They like the average whiteperson.
What are you?
German and French, got someIndian in me.
They they don't they don't know.
They grandfather might look likeyou, and they don't know because
a lot of people used to pass,you know, a lot of people back
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in the early 1900s were passingin the 1800s, and so a lot of
these so called white peoplehave, you know, Asiaticism.
So I'm just saying, like, it'sit's not saying that, like,
okay, I I I get it, I understandeverybody doesn't know all of
this stuff, but at some point intime, you know.
They ancestors came over here,immigrated here, they had to
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answer up to the constitutionalstandard.
They had to declare their umtheir uh pre-national name.
Gotcha.
And defined to me.
Everybody has to, because youhave to be civilized.
Everybody has to, you know, tobe respected, to be treated um,
you know, properly, withrespect, to have to fall up
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under the constitution.
SPEAKER_02 (30:28):
Right.
Now, can is it is there any wayyou can show and prove as to
why, or can you show and provethe fact that because we um uh
uh uh um use names that alludeto slavery and and and and
things like that, would can youshow and prove that's the reason
why we get the treatment that weget?
SPEAKER_01 (30:52):
Okay, so I would say it's not so much the labels,
just because we still cling tothose labels.
I understand that's in ourconstitution, but I think
there's more to that when it'ssaying that we you know suffer
because we we cling to thelabels that delude to slavery,
those labels delude to slavery,and we see like and um when the
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prophet was saying that Negro,even though it was like hell on
our people because of Jim Crowand all that, it wasn't as bad
as it is today.
That would sound crazy tosomebody because you're thinking
back then it was bad, but it'slike no, back then in the early
1900s, our people were seen aslike the moral compass for the
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entire nation.
People thought we werecivilized, they thought that we
were spiritual, and nobody seesus like that now.
So now they say you're Pakistanior Indian or whatever, and
you're here, you have a family,you love your little daughter,
and she's a grown young lady,and she wants to get with a
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nigga, and you're looking athim, and his pants are sagging
and stuff, and you're like, Idon't want my daughter to be a
baby mama, you know?
You're looking like it's notbecause he had he clings to the
term, you know, it doesn'tmatter what he calls himself, it
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might not even be hatred orracism.
You it's going off of theperception of what's you know
promoted for these people, likethey don't have standards, you
know, they're not Muslims, theydon't, I mean, they they're
supposed to be Christians,they're not practicing that
either.
We don't know what they are,they're infidels, like they
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don't, you know, and and ofcourse, you can't put that on
all of our people because somepeople are like that, but that's
what gets put on us.
Like the culture.
What is the culture of the blackAmerican?
SPEAKER_02 (32:58):
I mean, me personally, I can I could I
could answer that, but you know,um but please share, just yeah,
it's valid.
Now, when I when I say okay, nowfirst off, um you know, I I I
proclaimed my nationality yearsago, so I already know you know
the deal.
But uh if I had to put if youknow I if I had to put it in
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layman's terms and say whatblack culture is, quote unquote,
I would say it encompasses allof the teachings.
NOI, uh uh the teachers of NobleJoe Ali, 5%, uh uh the black
Christian church, uh, you know,African Methodist, uh Prince
(33:43):
Hall Masonry, um uh jazz, uh hiphop, um I mean I could go on and
on and on.
So I would say that would be theculture.
It's it's it's it's it's vast.
SPEAKER_01 (33:58):
Definitely.
You know, and it's huge, andit's not even all the same
because somebody from Louisianain practicing is that same as
somebody from NYC, of course.
SPEAKER_02 (34:09):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (34:10):
And so like it's vast, and it's you know, and um
unfortunately we we're notreally um in control of our
image of what we promote to theworld.
Like we used to have a BET, andthat's no longer even under
control of people that mighthave some kind of concern, you
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know, because the old BET backin the day they used to have a
news program and they got rid ofthat where they had like the BET
uncut and they just started justdumbing it down, and it's like
now they don't do any of that,right?
So it's out of our control.
Other people thought that it wasimportant to control black
media, to control the image thatgoes out to the world.
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And so if you live in Argentina,even if you live somewhere
where, like, you know, melanatedpeople, a lot of melanated
people like Nigeria or somewherelike that, the image that you
get of black Americans may onlybe negativity, may only be, you
know, the the negative rapmusic, the the shows like power
(35:20):
and all that stuff.
We selling drugs, we're doingall this.
That's what you see.
That's all that gets pushed outto the world, it's socialized
and sold to the world.
This is the nigga.
I even saw, and part of mylanguage, I saw a comedian who
was like from um pardon, he wasfrom somewhere in Africa, and he
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was making a joke talking abouthow he wanted to come to America
and become a nigga, a nigga, andlike he saw the stuff he saw the
Nelly old video where he slidingthe credit card to the woman's
backside and all that stuff.
Oh, I think I saw that one, andit's like, yeah, it's funny, but
it's this is what gets promotedto the world, you know, and so
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and we're not in control ofthat.
We don't even have like acouncil, it's like you know,
meeting like we must takecontrol of our image, you know.
We don't have anything seriouslike that.
That's what this divine plan ofthe ages is about.
We supposed to have that, youknow.
Like some other people do do,they do have those councils, and
nobody knows about it becauseyou don't need to, right?
(36:24):
They they control it.
They're like, no, we are notgonna have these negative images
of Jews going out, you know, andand you don't even hear about
them.
SPEAKER_02 (36:33):
Like the JDL, the Jewish defense league.
SPEAKER_01 (36:36):
Yeah, they'll they're gonna get it shut down.
SPEAKER_02 (36:38):
They're gonna get it shut down.
SPEAKER_01 (36:39):
They don't have to threaten anybody how openly hey,
if they come in for me, we likeuh yeah, we gotta we gotta stop
because they can get your lightsup, right?
SPEAKER_02 (36:50):
Yeah, weren't they uh uh uh uh uh um from what I
heard, you know.
Um I don't know if this is arumor or actual fact.
Um Tupac, weren't they onTupac's ass?
JDM.
SPEAKER_01 (37:03):
Yeah, I heard I heard that too, you know.
I mean, and if we see whathappened to him, I mean, like
they can get your own people todo it to you.
So it's like, look, you know, wedon't have that, you know.
I mean, we have the resourcesand the capability of doing it.
We have the manpower, we havethe people that are smart and
(37:23):
talented enough to do it, but wedon't so like you know, if if
like and even if you've beenoverseas like and seen this
coming from, you know, seeingtheir TV shows and what's
promoted, you see, it's like thenegative, you know, coonery,
it's the it's the worst image.
And so, yeah, if you come here,you're gonna be thinking like
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they're not even real people,like for some reason they don't
even care about their families,they don't think they need to
protect their you know, womenand children and keep them like
something wrong with them, youknow, and so yeah, that's why.
That's why I think what's evenmore important because in this
day and age, they can't push itlike they would have been able
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to do in 1900, you know, withthis openly, I'm against you,
let's lynch them.
They that wouldn't fly.
So now they're like, okay, theycontrol our image, and they've
shown our backside to the world,literally, you know, with the
sag in the pants and stuff.
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Savage label, we even wear thatwith pride.
SPEAKER_02 (38:31):
Oh, when did that become popular?
SPEAKER_01 (38:34):
Man, dude, bro.
I was in the store, a clothingstore, and I'm in the the child
section, right?
The little boy section, and theygot they got the clothes, a
little hip hop bear, and it sayssavage on it, and these are for
little boys, and it's like awoman's gonna see that, she's
gonna, oh, that's cute, and getit for a child, you know,
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because you know it looks likeclothes, and so we send our you
know, we we taking it on, andthen savage and monster and and
beast mode, and we going withthat, and and that's also you
know, beast mode, wasn't thatthe dude song?
Uh Sicko Beast Mode, I forgotwhat his name was.
(39:15):
Uh it was the one guy, he he hishis concert, he is like one of
his last concerts, people gotkilled, it went crazy.
SPEAKER_02 (39:24):
Oh, Travis Scott, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:27):
So he he was beast mode, and people thought it was
cool, but it wasn't other peopledoing it, it was us.
They see us doing beast mode andsavage, and and and taking that
on like it's something to beproud of.
We happy, and and making otherpeople think it's cool, like,
hey, we we're trying toinfluence your children and your
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youth.
We trying to influence them togo the wrong way.
We want them to think it's coolto do drugs and sell drugs and
kill.
And so the image is like, whoa,whoa, we don't even want them
around our children.
They they are horrible people,you know.
Maybe they be somebody on apersonal level and they're
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talking to them, oh, you cool,you know.
Nothing like this, this is wherethey're thinking, they're not
gonna tell you that you'renothing like this image that I
had of you, you know, that wassold to me, you know, and so
like that's that's a problem.
And it's a problem that mostaren't even aware of how deep it
is.
SPEAKER_02 (40:30):
Now, now to go through the divine plan of ages,
now to control our narrative,our own narrative, our own, you
know, political uh uh you knowuh power, our own political
power, our own um uh media.
Um what now when you go throughthe divine plan of ages, um
(40:51):
what's the uh expart expartationand patriation?
Expatriation and ex and rerepatriation.
SPEAKER_01 (41:03):
Okay, so like um repatriation, coming back into
our own mindset.
I'll say it this time because Idon't want to throw people off
saying coming back into our ownnation because it's like man,
well God, you know, likephysically it fell, you know?
(41:23):
But coming back into thatmindset of understanding,
knowing that we have to work tocreate our own community, to
empower ourselves, to protectourselves, and um to do so
within the you know constraintsof where we're at now.
We're we we're citizens of theUnited States of America.
If anybody's saying anythingelse, I'm like gone somewhere,
(41:44):
you know, because like we don'twe can't live in fantasy land,
right?
So so we um are working justlike everyone else is doing to
build up our nation.
You have people here fromMexico, from Venezuela, they get
money and they send a portion ofit home, you know, to to cousins
(42:05):
of somebody that buy some landhere, get this, get that, you
know, empower themselves, buildup their nation, you know, and
you know, like they're thinkingon that level.
And so for us to hey, okay, wedon't have to send money nowhere
else.
We're gonna build it up here.
We can get land right here, wefix up our own communities.
Other people come into ourcommunities because the property
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values are low, and it's likethe cheapest, you know, land,
the cheapest buildings and stuffto buy in town, and so we should
be taking advantage of thatbefore anybody else.
We should be, you know, likeother people come in and they
gentrify it, they make theprices go up, and you know, we
with the profit like debt andall that stuff, so we we're not
(42:50):
victims, like, okay, that's theopportunity for us.
We can come in, we can fixthings up, we can make it nice,
we can make the neighborhoodbetter and and take control, and
you know, this is ourstronghold, and it traditional,
you know, so-called blackneighborhood.
And so, like, you know, it'sjust it's um that's that's a
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part of the repatriation.
Expatriation coming out ofsomebody else's mindset, um,
where you're defined by somebodyelse.
The expatriation is because youhave your own free national
standards, you're coming intoyour own.
You're no longer defined bysomeone else.
What is a Morish AmericanMuslim?
You know, like do we are we justdown for whatever?
(43:35):
It's like you see a MorseAmerican Muslim, you know, young
man out there, you know, walkingaround sagging, he got the ski
mask on, he got the whole hood,hoodie uh costume on.
And you should be able to pullthem to the side, you know,
respectfully.
Like, you know, XYZ, that's why,you know, probably shouldn't be
(43:56):
doing that, and you know, shouldbe able to listen to you, you
know, like a human will be ableto do.
SPEAKER_04 (44:01):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (44:02):
Because I would assume like an Indian man or a
Pakistani man or a Chinese manwill be able to do that to their
own use, even though it's notyour son.
And they're gonna respect it.
That might not change nothing,but they're gonna respect it.
They're gonna shoot you, youknow, on the spot.
SPEAKER_02 (44:22):
So we we're supposed to be able to do that because we
have our own standards and ourown way of doing things, and
that that that that that newthat standard and own way of
doing things is repartition,repatriation, repatriation.
SPEAKER_01 (44:37):
Yeah, so that's the coming back into our own ways.
This is how we conduct business,this is how we move.
Everything that we do issupposed to fall within the
bounds of righteousness.
We have five divine principles,right?
So everything we do is supposedto fall within, you know, the
divine principles of love,truth, peace, freedom, and
(44:59):
justice because those are thefive highest principles known to
man.
So, like if me and you are doingbusiness, we're supposed to be
able to trust each other.
You ain't gotta worry about nosideways stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (45:11):
We're, you know, I keep hearing this right here.
I I hear this a lot when I speakto Moors.
I hear this a lot when I'm in ain Moorish circles.
That part right there, right?
That trust part, I'm supposed tobe able to trust you, you know,
uh, with the, you know, you'renot gonna do no snake business
(45:34):
or nothing like that, right?
unknown (45:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (45:37):
In a perfect world, yes, right?
Like, so I would love to be likethat.
That would be great, you know,if we were all on the same
accord.
And not only that, um we have somuch garbage in our minds from
being Negro, black, and color,is you know, it it takes some
(46:00):
mind, you know, likemind-changing, like
reprogramming to, you know, forthat.
You know, and and that I guessthat's where the uh the
teachings come in, the circleseven, one on one and all that.
SPEAKER_01 (46:15):
Yeah, and so that's why for us, the prophet's words,
the prophet Noble Drahi is it'sit's law for us.
Like for me, you know, thedivine constitution and bylaws,
um, even our Quranquestionnaire, our holy Quran,
right?
That's law.
So if you're not falling in linewith that, it's a problem, it's
(46:36):
an issue.
It's like, no, we can't do thistogether.
I don't even want you around myfamily, my children.
You know, I'll trust you.
I don't care what you claim tobe.
And it's you know, it might seemharsh, but it has to be like
that.
That's the peaceful way of doingit.
The other way of doing it is ifyou're claiming to be a more and
you're not in line, you know,somebody might be violent with
(46:58):
you, they might deal with youharshly, you know, because
you're you're you're you're umyou know out of line, and
there's repercussions for that.
But you know, the peacefulmanner is just not even dealing
with you.
You know, I don't care.
Claim to be, I don't care.
You're you're not real, youknow.
And that don't mean like, youknow, attacking people or
nothing.
It just means you know you can'ttrust them.
(47:20):
It lets you know in there thatyou know there's people, you
know, when when we're you know,under the carnal mind, when our
our carnal mind is ruling us, welove the darkness.
We love it.
And it don't matter what weclaim, it doesn't matter how
charismatic it can be, we lovethe darkness and we hate the
(47:41):
light.
So there's nothing you can do.
I mean, like that's at the endof the day, that's that ensures
our success too.
You know, so like ideally, it'ssupposed to be hey, this I'm not
trying to do nothing to yourwife, I'm not trying to do
nothing to your children.
If we're dealing businesstogether, I'm not trying to get
over, take money from you.
(48:01):
If you left a hundred dollars,two hundred, a thousand dollars
on the table, like hey brother,you know, I'm giving your money,
like forget that.
I don't ain't no way in hell I'mtaking that, right?
But yeah, if we if we don'tinternalize this stuff, if we
don't take decisions, if it'snot a law, ain't no telling what
(48:22):
they're gonna do.
SPEAKER_02 (48:23):
Right now, uh do you think that's possible for people
to internalize this and see uh,you know, maybe like they have
to see a stack of money and goto the one of the brothers or
sisters and say, hey man, youyou left your money, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (48:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely do.
I mean, you know, when I see Isee it, you know, across the
board with people who who takethe the measures um from the
prophet seriously, you know, butin order for people to to stay
with that, because that's likeyou know, feeling, you know,
feeling um in order for peopleto take it seriously, they have
(49:03):
to see improvement in theirlife, you know, at the end of
the day.
Like it had the these teachings,these lessons have to be
improving your life so that youknow that it's real, you know
that it works, right?
But yeah, I do see that you knowhappening with people from all
walks of life.
So I know it's real, I know it'spossible.
(49:23):
You know, I'm not saying likeonly people who's well off gonna
turn the money away.
Now, people, even somebody whodoesn't have it, who needs it,
who's struggling, they will.
Why?
Because they know this works,they know this is real.
SPEAKER_02 (49:36):
Indeed.
Now, civics and earthlysalvation for Moorish Americans.
Civics is the branch ofpolitical science that deals
with civic civic affairs and therights and duties of citizens.
Uh, Prophet Nobu Jali stated themission statement of Moorish, uh
of the Moorish Science TempleAmerica was is to uplift the
(50:00):
fallen, uplift fallen humanity.
So, how do you see that?
Um, you know, the civics piece.
SPEAKER_01 (50:08):
Okay, so I'm gonna add one more thing to what you
said, what the prophet said theMoore Science Temple of America
was about.
Pardon, uh dry over here.
So, another portion to add tothat of what this is about, the
temple is also to make itsmembers better citizens.
(50:31):
And a lot of people um want toshy away from that because of
all the um crazy talking stuffthat's out there in the
internet.
People are so like far gone theydon't even know.
They think being a citizen meansbeing a slave.
Being a citizen means you're amember of a free rural society.
That means that you havecapability of you know forming
(50:53):
the government, you know, to fityou, to serve you, right?
And so um, you know, bettercitizens means empowered,
unified, politically uh educatedpeople.
That's what real sit bettercitizens are.
So if in the school system,they're not really like they do
(51:15):
all right jobs, but they're notreally showing us how like at
the local level, you know, hey,get involved with the school
board, with the you know, thecity council, all of those
things so that you can fix andmake sure that this is why I
think this is why I think uhthey do an all right job.
SPEAKER_02 (51:31):
I think the school is supposed to set the tone,
right?
To give the basics, right?
And then it's you know, assumingI don't know, whoever created
this system years ago, they'veassumed that the family
structure was gonna stay tight,the community was gonna stay
(51:51):
tight, and the local politicswould would all you know come
together and stay together.
But it it's it's not like thatanymore.
At one point it was, and thenthings have changed due to
social, social and economicengineering.
SPEAKER_01 (52:09):
Yeah.
And so that I mean, that's noteven really a bad thing because
maybe in some communities likeum in Ohio, Pennsylvania, we
have the Amish communities outhere.
Maybe within the Amishcommunities, they do pick up,
you know, the kind and keep itgoing, and they make sure that
they're civically educated, youknow.
Because then some of the Amishcommunities, their children go
(52:32):
to public schools with the otherchildren, right?
And they do go in there, theyeven have Amish teachers in
there, you know, and then theygo back into their communities.
I've seen that, like, and so I'mjust saying that because there's
like ways that it can be done,you know, in this reality in the
modern times for real.
And you don't have to bedependent on the government to
(52:54):
do that.
Like within the temple, we cando that to make sure that okay,
we we know what we're supposedto do.
And those of us who are morepolitically astute, you know,
maybe can you know do this workon our behalf, right?
To make sure we're informed andwe're doing this and we're
moving in certain directions,you know, but we still have to
(53:14):
be um educated to a certaindegree to make sure that those
people don't get corrupt andthey're just taking handouts or
whatever, you know.
So it's like, you know, we atthe end of the day, like we
can't put the um blame off onanyone else.
unknown (53:29):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (53:30):
But you know, we it does have to be a part of our
life, how we live, even in thehousehold, like you were saying,
like with the family.
We have to take it seriously andget involved.
And so this is, you know, thisis a portion, a portion of the
divide plan of the ages, likegetting back into this, you
know, so that we can um takeadvantage of the opportunities
(53:51):
that we have, you know,anything.
That's one thing that I seenliving in a third so-called
third world country for likefive years, right?
The um where we lived at in umBrazil, Salvador, the Bahia,
like 90% of the population isAfro-Brazilian, and their
poverty is like extreme poverty.
(54:12):
Like, they you don't rise upfrom poverty, they don't have
nice um new libraries in thehood and stuff like that.
Like, just saying that becausethey just built one in this hood
called Driving Park, and it'sbrand new, and it's out here in
Columbus, and it's like theyhave like brand new everything
(54:33):
in there, you know, it's stateof the art, it's nice, and it's
like they built this for ourpeople because it's like you
look at the demographics, it'slike the people that's gonna be
going up in there, they looklike us, and so you know, they
you got access to high-speedinternet and all this stuff.
Like we have um we haveresources, we have everything
(54:55):
that we need right here toempower ourselves, and then on
top of that, we're from here andwe're generations in, so we
understand and know how thiscountry works.
We don't have to like learn anew culture or a new language,
like you know, somebody cominghere from some other country,
like, you know, we got this,right?
We got it, you know, and so youknow, this is really what it's
(55:19):
about.
It's like like the prophet, youknow, is looking at it like
y'all have everything that youneed.
That's why allegedly um there'sa uh a moment where he stood up
and told the Morris, you know,um he's holding up three items
the Quran, the Constitution, andthe the Quran course in there,
and he said, I brought youeverything that it needs that
you need, you know, to save yournation.
(55:41):
Uplift yourself and like take itand uplift yourselves.
Because we actually haveeverything that we need.
You know, we have all theresources, we have everything
here.
Um, you know, we just have tochange our mentality.
That's why most of the work isthe stuff that may turn some
people off, may seem boring topeople, the working on yourself.
(56:03):
When you go in the Quran, it'sall about working on ourselves,
subduing our lower self, gettingmore um control, you know,
gaining control over our carnaldesires, right?
Being able to think and move andact from the higher self, you
know, refining ourselves so thatwe can make better use of what
we have, so that we can betteremploy the talents that we
(56:25):
already have, you know.
Right, and that's on theindividual level.
Then the divine plan of the ageis the working together as a
unit now.
Okay, this is how we move.
So we we gonna take care ofourselves, you know,
politically, financially, youknow, um, you know,
economically, uh, politically,and socially.
(56:47):
So then we're good.
We can have, we can live, youknow, life how we see fit, even
here in America, unimposed upon.
We can control our owncommunities, whether we in the
middle of a city or out, youknow, in the boondocks, you
(57:08):
know, just like in the country.
unknown (57:10):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (57:11):
We can we can do it regardless of where we are.
And you know, and it doesn'teven take a whole lot of us, you
know.
We can do it in small patches.
It might only be a couplehundred in this city.
It's like serious enough to cometogether and work together to
push to make their community.
We can still get it done.
(57:31):
Hundreds, you know, moving inone direction, and actually,
that's a lot of power, you know.
But like we can get that up tothousands, too, you know.
But you gotta start from whereyou're working at, so it don't
even have to be a lot of us.
I definitely agree with the AdaMoore, the poverty is a mindset.
So once we change the mind,everything else falls in line.
(57:52):
We got to do that first.
SPEAKER_02 (57:53):
I I think that's where a lot of I would say
brothers.
Um I want to say, you know what,I want to say a lot.
I'm gonna say some brothers andsisters, they don't understand.
That's that was the pro that isthe prophet's mission.
The change internally, right?
You know, it's it's always, youknow, we all the prophet always
(58:14):
spoke about the lowest self andthe higher self.
The teachings in general alwaystalked about the lowest self and
the highest self, like subduingthe lowest self and rising above
and uh becoming like a a moreAmerican, like a new, like a
new, a new person, right?
And um, I think sometimes welike me myself personally, I
(58:36):
wasn't going into the temple touh change myself.
I was going into the temples forthe tax breaks.
Well yeah, yeah, they're likebrother, this is not the this is
not it.
That you came in here for thewrong things, and I'm like,
what?
And then they broke it down, andyou know, I stayed, you know
what I'm saying?
(58:56):
So, you know, um yeah, so so youknow, I I think a lot of uh a
lot of people or some peoplemissed that point right there,
you know, just like a brothercame into the chat earlier and
said, you know, everything isall that sounds good, and so you
you know you need to go andhandle some legal trouble.
You know, you know, this is notwhat this is about.
(59:19):
And that's the misconceptionabout the whole movement.
SPEAKER_01 (59:23):
Yep, definitely.
SPEAKER_02 (59:24):
Yeah, about the whole movement.
But you know, um, we're out oftime now.
Um I thank you for having uhthank you for coming up this
evening.
I really appreciate you.
Uh love to have you again.
Um and continue this build onthe uh divine plan of the age.
I want to continue this build onthis here.
(59:45):
Anything you want to say beforewe cut out of here?
SPEAKER_01 (59:48):
Uh yeah, definitely.
Uh brother, before I close, Ijust want to give honors to you.
Um, you're doing a great job.
I'm subscribed to you on my umregular YouTube and on my
Moiston America YouTube.
I Suggest everybody do the same.
Um, anybody that's already onMoors in America, make sure you
go over here and subscribe tothis brother's doing a great
job, great work.
(01:00:09):
Um interviewing across theboard, you know, across the
spectrum, which is importantbecause as you were saying
earlier, that's the culture.
You know, it's not just one way,one view, one way of looking at
things.
And so I definitely agree withyou.
And um, just before I close, Ijust wanted to share a couple of
things.
Um, want to invite everylistener um who felt the
(01:00:30):
message, you felt this, you feellike any of this was um was on
the right path.
Make sure that you um if you ifyou want to deepen your
understanding of the prophetnoble drew Ali's divine plan,
and you you know want to do thatwork to reclaim your national
identity.
Um you can start with my book,Unlocking the Keys.
(01:00:53):
Um you can you can findUnlocking the Keys on Amazon.
You can also go toMooresNAmerica.com.
We're doing some work on thewebsite, but you can get it from
me there.
And unlocking the keys basicallyuh my new book is a breakdown of
the um Quran questionnaire fromthe Moore Scientific Book of
America.
Um it gives you practical toolsfor self-mastery, right?
(01:01:17):
Because you know, the words thatare in there, these are you know
spiritual lessons, they reallyare keys.
We call the Quran questionskeys.
These really are keys that canhelp to unlock the power within
you.
So the powerful book to getthat's unlocking the keys.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:33):
Oh, real quick, I just want to make sure this is
the this is what they shouldcheck out.
Mooresinamerica.com, rightthere.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:38):
That's correct, brother.
Gratitude for sharing that.
You can get that book directlyfrom me, moresinamerica.com.
I'll autograph it for you, oryou can get it from Amazon.
You can always tap in with me onthe podcast.
Uh, the videos also um more's inAmerica on YouTube, now on
Instagram and TikTok too aswell.
And all is you can just go tomoresinamerica.com.
(01:01:59):
So if you want to get the bookfrom me, just go to
moresinamerica.com.
Um, also, uh, just wanted to sayuh a few things before I close.
Also, just want to invite youall to connect with the actual
institutions that we're buildingfor our people.
If you are interested instrengthening your home,
improving relationships, um,just learning about the divine
(01:02:23):
partnership, you know, ofmarriage or obligation.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02:26):
Oh, nice.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02:27):
We are creating a Moorish marriage council.
unknown (01:02:29):
Nice.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02:30):
Go to Mooreshmarriage.com.
All right, this is a work inprogress, but I I expect to have
Ashley up and running um as wego into this new year, 2026.
So go to Morris Marriage.com.
Uh, we'll be hosting sessions,discussions, and and moving up
to actual physical gatherings,right?
(01:02:50):
Well, we're coming togetherbecause what we really have to
do is restore the foundation offamily life in our community.
The family is supposed to be soimportant and just like you
don't mess with the Moore familyat all, you know, and so we we
you know re-establishing thatand uh bringing that to the
forefront.
(01:03:11):
And for those in Ohio, centralOhio, especially, right Columbus
area, but then also um anywherein Ohio and even nationwide, you
can tap in with our commute ourtemple.
We are Unity Temple number 30.
And you can go just to MoorishAmericans.com.
Yeah, the information on thereto reach out, tap in.
(01:03:34):
Um if you're in Columbus, Ohio,join us on November 23rd for our
community food giveaway.
We'll be serving the people,giving back, showing actually
what Islam looks like in action.
So if you want to come support,volunteer, bring someone who may
be in need.
Um you can go to care morecare-more.org.
(01:04:02):
If you would like to get moreinformation about the upcoming
giveaway, or if you just want todonate to assist us in that
great work of upliftingfollowing humanity, go to
care-more.org.
And this is all a part of thedivine work.
So, you know, I just ask if youwant to assist, join us, you
know, or you can you know, sendsome support.
And the same likewise with thetemple at Morris Americans.com.
(01:04:26):
Thank you, thank you.
Gratitude to you for opening upyour platform to me, brother.
I support you, I support whatyou're doing, doing a great job,
and thank you.
SPEAKER_02 (01:04:34):
You're welcome, you're welcome.
On that note, we are out ofhere.
Thank y'all for joining us thisevening, people in the chat, uh,
and the viewers, etc.
Next podcast, Friday evening,and we are out of here.
Peace.
SPEAKER_00 (01:04:50):
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