June 9, 2025 • 56 mins
The divide between perception and reality in Black America takes center stage in this powerful conversation with Dr. Paul Dyer, who brings his unique perspective as both a neuroscientist and political strategist to examine what he calls "the state of the Black community.Dr. Dyer introduces his concept of "cerebral castration" – a mental state that keeps people trapped in fear-based thinking, unable to process information rationally or make decisions that would truly benefit themselves or their communities. This mental imprisonment, he argues, explains why Black communities often unite only in tragedy rather than creating sustainable movements for positive change.The discussion takes us through historical touch points when Black Americans came closest to what Dr. Dyer terms being "franchised" within American society. The period between 1968-1975 saw narrowing wealth gaps, stronger family structures, and educational advancement. However, this progress was systematically undermined through increased incarceration, drug proliferation, and the traumatic return of Vietnam veterans to communities unprepared to support them.Most startling is Dr. Dyer's revelation about the mental health crisis – Black Americans have the highest emergency room visits for mental health issues in the United States. The hosts explore how historical medical abuse created enduring stigmas around seeking help, tracing patterns from slavery through the mid-20th century institutional abuses that left deep wounds of distrust.Rather than embracing separation or fixating on victimhood, Dr. Dyer offers a profound alternative: "Know thyself." This prescription for healing requires vulnerability to one's own ignorance and a willingness to begin again. As he powerfully states in closing, "To be fully prepared, you must be truthful and vulnerable to your ignorance.Join us for this th
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
all right, what's going on?
Everybody that was.
That was an interesting show,the last one that was all right.
Today we're talking about, uh,the state of the black.
What happened, uh, dire to die?
Oh, because when the musiccomes on, something happens, so
he has to come back in.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Peace people, we're back.
I know y'all enjoyed the show.
Some comments were like we out,we come back tomorrow.
Listen, people.
We got to give everybody theopportunity to come on this
platform, so don't bediscouraged.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
You know what I want to talk about, that before we go
into the state of black, theblack community, this is a
universal platform.
Again, this is a universalplatform.
They're not going to just bemores on here, they're not going
to just be five percenters.
They're not going to just be ina why you saw Adams swore, and
now you're going to see otherpeople coming on.
(01:03):
They're going to probably beEuropean, arab.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
We're going to have allso-called colors of the spectrum
.
So don't run, don't run.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
They're like, we're discouraged, we come back
tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I'm out, I'm like come on, man Well that kind of
fits into the state of the blackcommunity.
It really does, because, asmany people know me as Dr Paul,
emotional scientist andneuroscientist but the other
hands I reach out in is to isI'm a political scientist and
(01:42):
I'm a political strategist.
I've helped people run foroffices all throughout the
country.
My lowest seat that I've everhelped get into office is mayor
and I've gone all up the gamutinto working for a person who's
running for presidency.
So I've won some governorships.
(02:04):
I've won some statelegislations and mayors and
stuff.
So I'm reaching out to thosepeople and we're going to have
them on this show exclusively totalk about where they're at,
what they're doing, what theircommunities are doing, and to
look at it from a leadershipperspective, right, not just
(02:27):
from a person who's living underalways.
Right, we got to look at whatthey're seeing and how they're
seeing it and what are thenumbers they're getting.
Because the one thing about theblack community is, from coming
into a behavior scientist and asa political strategist, is that
(02:50):
I care about my people.
I care about humanity in awhole.
I really do, and so some peoplehave come at me a little bit on
some of my social media,especially because I'm into
firearms, I'm a warrior, I trainin gun, I teach gun, I teach
knife, I teach open hand, Iteach armed.
(03:14):
I teach all of that to groups,to not just groups families and
friends, yes, but I teach themto special groups, people who
you don't normally see and whothey are.
I work for agencies, so you'regetting a person like me who has
(03:34):
their hands into theinformation but also who's very
active into the information, soI just don't read and let it
slide by.
I read because I'm active in it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, I respect that you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Some people say they're activists but they think
they're just reading papers andthey're getting hyped on things
.
Right, you know.
They say it's wrong about this,it's wrong about that and the
numbers say this, but they'renot really out into the
community to see the numbersactivated or deactivate, right.
(04:11):
So the state of the blackcommunity is confusion.
Right, we we often say how comewe're not pulled together?
We're pulled together.
We we often get pulled togetherin tragedy.
Right, if you think of things,we only come together in tragedy
(04:35):
.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Trauma bonding.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I just trauma bonding , but I also call that cerebral
castration.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Okay, can you that?
Cerebral castration?
Okay, can you explain?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
right, castration meaning to take away from the
male or the female reproductivesystem.
Right, we know that that's whatcastration is in.
The cerebral castration iscutting off all abilities to
ever reproduce.
What you call a good thought,because it's not from a
(05:14):
conscious thinking person.
So that's why I call itcerebral castration.
So basically, it keeps you inthe fear box.
You can't move on.
That's the simplification of it.
But when you study neuroscience, there's a lot of other fibers
(05:35):
that's going on.
We talked about those.
There's a lot of other thingsthat's going on.
Synapses is going on.
But if you can never get thingsto fire, you're castrated.
And if you're castrated thatway, then you're castrated with
all your thinking and all youremotions.
So even the numbers don't makesense to you.
Even the things you hear justinflame you to do things that
(06:01):
you're going to believe is thecorrect thing to do, which is
why the mob often rules.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Okay, I'm going to pose this question to Mike.
When you think of the state ofthe Black community, what's your
thoughts?
The Black community I look atthe Black community the people
are still.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
What are your thoughts?
What are your thoughts?
Yeah, the black community.
Yeah, I look at the blackcommunity.
The people are still, I couldsay, emotionally disenfranchised
, haven't recovered Right.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
So if you're saying they're disenfranchised prior to
disenfranchisement, was what?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
There was stripping, identity slavery, stripping of
your identity language they weredehumanized.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Right.
The first thing that happenedto black folk was they were
dehumanized.
So now the question is when didthe collective black folk get
their humanization back?
Collective black folk get theirhumanization back.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Collective.
Black folk get theirhumanization back.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
No One by one, not collectively.
When did they get it back?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I don't know they try recovering it during.
Like you know, I know the 60scame back with a renaissance.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
You know trying to it was close.
Yeah, it was the closest itever was, in 71.
And even that was throughtrauma bonding Not as much
because the Martin Luther Kingassassination, the Bobby Kennedy
assassination, the Kennedy, allthose assassinations didn't
(07:48):
create a mob.
It created a trying tofranchise unity, black, white,
all of it.
But it was close because blackscould get a job, they were
working, they were buying homes,they were moving out of the
(08:09):
ghetto.
Right, the wealth gap was theclosest, closed from 68 to 75.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
That was the closest it came.
So what was happening then?
Kids were going to school,literacy programs were developed
.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
It was happening.
The nuclear family was moretogether, right?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So what happened to when they were almost
franchising to becomedisenfranchised?
We started arresting more blackmen, right?
People started coming back fromVietnam.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
At that time they were addicted to heroin.
When they came back fromVietnam that also threw the
community off as well the heroin.
You see what I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So now the drugs start entering the community.
And it broke it and they keptit.
No, it entered the community,they kept it in the community
and they distributed it in thecommunity to disenfranchise it.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, and you got to think that the war and the
psyche, as you mentioned earlier, the assassination of leaders,
activists, so that fractured thepeople's mind as well.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But it didn't fraction as much that you
thought it would.
It really didn't.
I mean, you have more riots onChauvin, on the neck of George
Floyd than you did on MartinLuther King they quelled it.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Shout out to the 5% of the nation on God's earth.
They quelled it from happening.
It would have got bad in NewYork.
It would have got bad if NewYork in the 60s.
It would have got bad if theydidn't get involved.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Because it was so.
George Floyd was worse thanMartin Luther King, and George
Floyd was what a drug addict atbest.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Uh-oh, you're going to have them.
Listen, they're going to attackus today.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Today we're going to have them.
They're going to attack us.
Today, we're going to getattacked today.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Oh my god emails and all kinds of stuff they selling
out.
I knew it first.
They had the white boy on theshow.
Oh, it's done anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
The examiner of Minneapolis, of Hennepin County,
said he had this much in himanyway.
So whether he had died of it,he could have died of an
overdose at home no one wouldhave cared.
The whole thing was a perfectstorm.
So I'm not talking about whatChauvin did.
(11:02):
That's different than what heingested.
You know what I mean, Right,Right.
So don't get it twisted betweenadding one and one and you're
trying to get a whole differentfraction, right?
So here's the crazy part, whenyou've got the state of if we
were such in dire straits of how, because we love this country,
(11:24):
and here's how we even know welove it.
We love it collectively, becausewe're the second highest people
enlisting into the armed forces.
The second highest percentagewe enlist into the armed forces.
Highest percentage we enlist inthe armed forces.
You know whites they do what66%.
(11:50):
We're up there.
We're so high up there andbecause of our population and
we're only 13% of the populationwe are still enlisting.
13-18% of our population aregoing into the military, which
is the second highest.
So why are we enlisting ifwe're so disenfranchised against
(12:14):
america?
Are we disenfranchised againstamerica or we disenfranchise
against the populace, thecorporatists right and the
people who are trying to runeverything.
What are we really against andwe haven't really focused on
(12:36):
that.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Gotcha, okay, okay.
So what would you say is, whenI think of the state of the
black community right, you know,I go quote unquote because you
know, as far as what I know frommore science, more science, or
the prophet Nobuja Ali teachesus that, basically, according to
(13:00):
science, black means death.
So I always quote, unquote,quote.
Black means death.
So I always quote, unquote,quote, unquote on that.
But when I think about theblack community, quote unquote,
I think about the Haitiancommunity, yes, yes, about just
the Africans in the diaspora.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
So if we talk about Africans in the diaspora, you
know we're not just, you knowtalking about African-Americans,
because African-Americans havetheir separate issue, Haitians
have their separate issue.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
However, our cultural issues.
They have different Right.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Right, but the root of all of our issues would stem
from slavery and then go fromthat point on imperialism, right
.
So so you know when I thinkabout.
So, as far as the state of theblack community, when it comes
to the haitian community, mike,what do you see in the haitian?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
community, haitian community.
What, first and foremost, as drdyer said, right,
disenfranchised from coming fromslavery.
A birth of a nation came fromslavery, from pain.
Right, these people didn't havetime to settle down, to
reacclimate themselves, to behuman beings.
They were just constantlyfighting and then an addendum
placed on them.
So now you're like all right,you got your little liberty, but
(14:23):
now you can't feed yourself.
The way this new worldfunctions, we're going to
cripple you from making money.
So now you're just stuck.
You're back there, disgruntled,unhappy, and realize what did I
fight for?
That right there will createself-hate and then they start
having infights.
Then he had the mulatto side,then he also had you got to take
into consideration.
I don't want to get too farinto it with the Dominican
(14:46):
Republic as well.
So it's two different factions.
Both nations came out of, youknow, birth from slavery,
fighting whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And it's a constant conflict.
It's the United States'playbook.
We've been doing this playbookfor a very, very long time.
Since Ferdinand, we've beensplitting countries.
We do our.
We are the best at splittingcountries.
We are Us and England, we dothe best at splitting countries.
(15:19):
We split Haiti up because wegave some people money and took
away a lot of money from otherpeople who had money Right.
And then when people certainpeople who look to United States
for help, where other nationalHaitians said we don't need the
US, why you keep asking the US?
(15:39):
That was an infighting withinthemselves.
Every country has done that tothemselves, but we kind of
nudged it along a lot of the way.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
We did it in Mexico, we do it all over the world.
We do it all over the world.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah, we do, and that's why this man right here
was trying to.
He figured it out too.
That's why I respect him.
I'm shaking forever Margie T,and he's why this man right here
was trying to.
He figured it out too.
That's why I respect him.
I'm shaking forever Margie Tand he's like look what's
happening to us.
The European is destroyingthese Latin American countries.
They got you divided, takingyour resources, and then they're
united, but you can't unite.
Is that a problem, right?
So what Dr Dyer is saying isvery true.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
We're just stuck in a crabs, in a barrel, which is
feeling disenfranchised, andwhen you feel disenfranchised,
you feel dishonored.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
And if you feel dishonored, you're going to
fight.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Here's the problem now.
The fighting starts where andwhere else does it end Exactly?
Here's the problem now thefighting starts where and where
else does it end?
In the mind.
It starts in the mind, but itends in bloodshed in the streets
, right.
Right, maybe we're often notunified.
(17:02):
So we have different groups whoare unifying people, which is
awesome, right, we've got themtraining and learning and
developing and creating theessence of who they are and what
they want to be as a humanbeing.
Right, we're giving you your.
You're a human being, you're ablack human being, you are, you
(17:29):
are human first.
Right, but if they and they cansay we are America too, you
have some that says we areAmerica too, we are.
Some says we need to separatefrom America.
Right, so now you havedifferent things going on in the
(17:51):
black community, like am Iamerican?
Should I not want to be anamerican but live in the united
states?
So are we separating?
Are we?
Are we collecting a state so wecan call our own?
Are we collecting our own?
That's not going to happen inany life form.
Are we collecting a state so wecan call our own?
Are we collecting our own?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That's not going to happen in any life form.
Right, you think that we're notgoing to.
We can't separate.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
We can't to who, to what, To where?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So let's say, let's say, like the nation of Islam's
philosophy, well, elijahMuhammad's philosophy, the
original to build our own state.
Basically, we just separatefrom the European and we have
our own state, our own police,our own.
Yes, I agree with all of it.
They were accomplishing that,though they were getting it.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
No, I would agree with all of it.
I think we do need our ownpolice force.
The Hasidic Jews do it.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yes, they do.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
In many areas.
They have their own policeforce, they have their own fire,
they have their own Right.
But they do work with the stateRight.
They have a section that theybought up Right.
They had to buy it first fromthe county, from the area.
(19:12):
They had to collectively buy it.
They collectively build it.
The school, the fire department, whatever municipalities they
had to do, they had to build itRight and they can say that
these six blocks is where we doour thing.
They still have to work withthe state or the city.
(19:33):
They can't stop the state orthe city from coming in.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So you can have your own.
Own doesn't mean you stopeveryone else from coming in.
You keep them at bay byrepresentation by joint
commissions, by you know, beforeyou come into our area you
notify us.
It's almost like a tradeagreement they have with the
(20:02):
Indians, right, but theyactually it's different, because
the Indian nations aresovereignty, so the police can't
arrest on their on a nativeland.
Well, police can't arrest inHasidic neighborhoods.
So it's not sovereignty.
So you're never going to havesovereignty in the United States
(20:26):
, unless you were a NativeAmerican, and that took how much
blood.
Anyway, we're not going to getthere because historically they
should have whatever right, yeah, right.
So yeah, you can.
Yes, that is possible.
To buy, to create, to developschools, fire departments,
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police departments, all of it.
That is definitely possible.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
But, just like you said, the state has to be
involved, the government has tobe involved in everything like
that, right, some mores wouldsay that that's not with the
profit set up, say that that'snot with the profit set up and
some mores would say that theprofit actually did set it up to
where it's like you are anactual citizen and it's
connected to the, to thegovernment, the, the temple, etc
(21:15):
.
Etc.
Etc.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, so on.
On legalities, that bridgedoesn't work well.
In the federal government youmay win some lower cases, but if
you start to get into thefederal court you're going to
have problems.
It's the court.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
It's the court, as he said.
It makes much sense becauseevery state has its own
constitution, so it has to goaccording to state level, not
federal level, right?
That's why I say, when youstate level, not federal level,
right right.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
That's why I say when you get to the federal level,
you're gonna get, you're gonnaget crushed a little bit, if not
you get, you're gonna be one ofthose guys getting body slammed
on the side of the road.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
It's rolling, so let's not even go into that and
let's get and let's get into.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
So, when we look at, when we look at some of the
other things, how we we get soangry about one of the most
things we talked about withChauvin and God, I don't know
why I can't remember his name.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Who?
Derek Chauvin?
Oh, Floyd Floyd.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
The police issue people raising the police
shootings, the police brutality,the police killings and stuff
like that.
The average police shootfatally about 1,000 people a
year, About 1,000.
A thousand and the last numberI heard in 2024, it was
(22:48):
approximately 277.
Of them were Black ornon-Hispanic that didn't make
the media no that's 277 out of1,000.
So that means there's still 733people getting fatally shot by
the cops.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
But we take it as such a thing, like they're
hunting us.
That word is such.
It's like nails on a chalkboardto me, because they're getting
disinformation to keep themdisenfranchised right like
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saying that the police arehunting black people.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yes, right that that minds, that mindset or state of
thinking is old and it was truesome time ago.
Right, but it was.
It was.
It was true as well throughthrough like the 20s, 30s, 40s.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, they were hunting them to fill the prison
so they can get free labor, soon and so forth.
You're correct about that.
It needs to, yeah, so now theworld's changing a bit.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
It is changing a bit.
You know the police are now,you know, just aren't white
anymore.
You know what I mean.
So I get the point Like it'slike a lot of different
nationalities.
However, you know it.
What, what do you say to peoplewho say, you know, socially, the
people are primed andprogrammed to still hate black
(24:26):
people yeah, so and and andthey're a part of the police
force, so when they go intoblack neighborhoods they already
, you know, expect, you knowthis is going to happen, they're
going to, you know, do somekind of crime.
Or because you gotta remember,like you know, all over the
world people have this, havethis bad okay in their mind
(24:47):
about us, listen, listen.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I.
I've known some police chiefswho were black, who were not
black.
The same conversation to havethat.
That often that gets to them,that I talk with them about who
I even work with.
I wish I had some localhomegrown officers.
I wish I could have somehomegrown officers that came
(25:14):
from the neighborhood so wecould put back to the
neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
That makes sense, yep .
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Okay, so they look for that in their applications.
Man, you're from Brooklyn, allright, you still got to go
through.
You know your thing?
Your training.
But I tell you, you're goingback to Brooklyn, you know, and
that's good for us.
We like that, this is yourpeople.
(25:41):
So where are all the applicantscoming from?
They're not coming fromBrooklyn, they're coming from
Westchester.
They're coming from Albany.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Syracuse.
All that so they're not exposed, they're not familiar with the
environment.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
They're coming from Bridgeport, Connecticut.
Okay, so is it a fault?
It's a fact.
Can you train this inside ofthem to look at it a different
way?
You can try.
But even if you talk to a whatyou say, a person from a
(26:19):
neighborhood, how often are theydriving around at 2 am in
certain areas of their ownneighborhood that they wouldn't
drive around in, Right?
Okay, so they're stereotypingit.
So they're stereotyping it.
They're not walking to thelocal bodega shop at 3 am, 1 am.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You ask them when are you going to the local store?
Not this time of night, right?
So even in their own personalminds, they disenfranchise their
community.
So how do you expect a personwho's not from there, or even
(27:08):
live nowhere near there, comeinto there and not have this
thought process when their ownpeople think this way?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Right, yeah, that's a good point, that's a good point
.
Right, yeah, that's a goodpoint, that's a good point.
So one thing that uh, mike andI, when we started that par
organization, um, and you know,this is something that uh, we we
definitely want to have in thefuture we want to have uh actual
officers on the podcast so wecan talk to them to kind of
(27:36):
bridge the gap between thecommunity and the police force,
to learn how they, to learn howto respond to what you know
police doing their job.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I jump off, matt, because we've all had these
conversations with men, withpolice.
I've had these conversationswith just tons, tons of them and
again, from their hearts totheir mouth, to my ears, to you.
(28:12):
We're not the same.
I wish I could give you, paul,but we don't look at things the
same way.
So I can give you what I can do.
I can give you what I know mybuddy can do, my partner would
do, but Out of the squad I can'ttell you what they would do and
(28:39):
that's just so real.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
So I just want to say this and I I want to say what
this person said and I want tosay what I have to say.
So, officers that don'tundermine probable cause, uh, or
reasons for a stop yeah, you'reright about that, of course,
for sure, for sure.
So so you're saying you saidthat they're not the same, dr
Paul Dyer, meaning the policearen't.
(29:03):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Like you.
You, when you join, when youjoin anything, any group, any
organization, you don't loseyourself.
You bring yourself with youRight.
You get trained into theorganization that you're joining
(29:28):
, yep.
So now let's apply the math I'mstill myself, I'm getting
trained into the organizationI'm joining.
I'm still myself, I'm gettingtrained into the organization
I'm joining.
Now I'm out there representingthe organization with myself,
but yet lead with theorganization.
But through that lens of theorganization, I'm putting my
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vision first.
So if a person grew up nothappy around black folk, it's
going to come out of them beforetheir uniform does, just by the
way they address you it has tobe in you, it has to be innate.
If it's not innate, it's it'sjust there right like a, a, a
(30:24):
white cop who grew up in in um,in um, upstate new york, and
he's working in in the bronx,somewhere south bronx, and he
says he says hey, hey, spick,pull over.
Well, I thought that's what youSpanish people call each other.
(30:44):
You know what I mean.
Like what are you talking about?
Everyone's looking at him likehe's crazy.
But like why would he thinkthat was okay?
It doesn't matter why he thinksthat's OK.
He thought it was OK.
Did he mean anything by it?
Right now, in this case, mebeing a person listening to this
(31:08):
, or me being Hispanic hearingthis, I'm a little bit turned
off, man, I'm a little bit upset.
You know what I'm saying, right?
So this whole stop has gonesideways already.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Right, right, so that's why I think that is
important for the policeofficers.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
They do try to get you training.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Well, not the training meaning.
What I mean is what I'mthinking is I'm suggesting that
you know they do have communityoutreach in these precincts.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, so what?
My thing is like one or twopeople.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Right.
But my thing is like what arethey who, what?
What's the formality?
Like, what are they doing inthese community outreach things?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Like well, the formality is to go out.
They go to community events,they talk to whoever you call
local leaders.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah, community figures yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, communities, they try to go to these events,
the school events.
That's where you mostly seethem is at school events.
Yeah, so if you want to talk tothat community officer.
Visit your local schoolcommunity officer.
Visit your local school.
They'll probably be at some PTAmeetings.
So they'll meet the parents inthe area and those different
schools.
They'll be at events.
(32:26):
So, other than that, maybe ablock party or some event that's
happening in the community theywill show up and walk around
just so their faces, faces, canbe seen.
And who put it on?
Who's one of the vendors?
Talk to the vendors they talkto.
They talk to the local vendorsin the area, the storekeepers,
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so people know who they are.
But that's still a lot of peoplein the circumference of any
several blocks of a schooldistrict, right, so if you don't
want to meet them, you're nevergoing to see them because
they'll never know who you are,because they're never going to
reach everybody.
That's why they only like, ifyou don't go to a pta meeting,
(33:10):
there's no way you're going toknow who they are if you don't
get involved in your communityand I'm not saying getting
involved by proxy, like myfriend went down there, right,
she told me all what was goingon, yeah, but did you see the
people there?
Did you see the communityofficers?
Did you talk to them?
You know what I mean.
(33:31):
If you're only visiting thingsin your community by proxy
meaning you're not physicallyvisible then how are you part of
your community?
But you're part of yourcommunity when things are upset,
you hype it up.
Did you hear what went on downthat corner?
(33:52):
I knew they were going to dothat to that boy.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
That's what you're saying, though getting involved
in the local politics to knowwhat's going on, your community
assemblyman district, thecommunity affairs you know.
Then talk about the talk, aboutthe situation, the events that
affect the community, which isimportant, because we do need um
a bridge with the community andthe police to understand the
cult, the so-called culture sulyjust gave us a.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Suly just gave us a good reference here.
They sponsor kids activitieslike easter egg hunts or parades
.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Okay, so that's where we will find the community
officers you know, when I wasgrowing up in the bronx we had
the police leagues.
I know they don't have a lot ofstuff no more.
You know the power leagues, theboxing leagues and things like
that.
So, they used to do a lot ofthat, but that was in the 70s,
right, we were at our closest inthe 70s and 73 to be exact.
(34:54):
Again, we were at our closestto being franchised in the 70s.
We were at our closest to beingfranchised in the 70s.
But when I hear people saythey're getting ready for what
is coming, I don't like some ofthe verbiage that is attacking
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the cerebral castrations ofhuman beings.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
So break that down a bit.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
So when I tell you, as a thinking person, be ready
for what's coming.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
What would be your next step?
My next step would be to findout what's coming.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Find out what the hell am I talking about.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
That's so true because whatever happened to we
had inner city organizationsright, some school of thoughts.
I don't see I could be wrong.
I don't see them doing muchwork in the community anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Okay, so you hear me speak.
I sound a little bit jaded.
Well, I'm upset, I'm angryabout what they, because they're
always against us.
It's always them and it'salways what they do.
We don't know who they are, butwe know that they're always
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involved.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Who are they?
Who are?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
they.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
But we know it's them .
How can we prove it?
Because I heard it.
Right, and I start giving youstatistics.
You know, 277 of our brothersand sisters were killed last
year by cops.
That's because they're gunningfor you, but I don't give you
(37:00):
that by cops, that's becausethey're gunning for you, but I
don't give you that.
They shot also 733 other people.
This is the United States.
We're not talking about in ablock or in a precinct.
We're talking about, in theUnited States, a thousand fatal
shootings.
So I can start skewing likescience.
I can start getting any data Iwant by what I put out there.
(37:25):
And if you're not a thinkingperson, right, and if you are
emotionally unstable becausetalking about our brains before
talking about how we think, howwe see, how we feel, we've
talked about all those factorsbefore and if you're not
(37:54):
balanced, isn't that going toturn and twist you to being more
erratic?
But now you believe in me, soyou trust me.
So I tell you to go getprepared, go get ready.
But I'm charging a bomb readyto explode on my word.
(38:14):
You're still disenfranchised.
Now you have dishonor, so thatmeans you have.
You have some anger.
And if we talk about the stateof the black community, do you
know?
We have the highest ER visitsabout mental health in the
United States.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
That's a fact.
I had no idea fact.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
The highest ER visits are for black and brown people.
For mental health we're thehighest.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
I noticed that they brought in EDPs a lot of
schizophrenia bipolar.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Whatever, because we know they can't go by medicine,
because a lot of black peoplecan't afford the medicine and
medication.
Right, you can't go by thetherapist, because not many
people can afford a therapist.
I wish people could afford atherapist.
I wish there could be programsthat can offer free therapy and
there some are.
And there's some therapists whoare trying to do some amazing
work out there, cutting ratesand doing all kinds of great,
(39:20):
great stuff.
I do the same thing.
Psychiatrists, sociologists,all of them social workers are
trying to help.
They're doing the best they canand it's still not enough,
right?
It's, like you know, thimblewater bailing out of a ship we
have the highest ER visits justfor mental health out of a ship,
we have the highest ER visitsjust for mental health.
So if you take that, we're thehighest, and also we're the
(39:45):
second highest in DUIsPercentage.
What that's wild yeah in theUnited States, we're the second
highest of DUIs.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Well, the first one would feed into the second one,
the mental health.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I don't know.
I'll tell you why.
I don't think every blackperson you know drives, do they?
No?
Yeah, see, I know a lot ofblack people just don't drive,
out of 13% of the population.
I just don't see us that higherdrivers, just from what I know
(40:32):
of black folk.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
That's wild For mental health.
That's a big thing.
Right there, People tend to youknow, Dr Dyer, our people tend
to have a stigma with the mentalhealth industry.
You don't believe that Ourpeople have a stigma with mental
(40:58):
health.
They look at it as if you seekmental health they create their
own stigma.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
They create their own stigma.
It's a falsified, createdstigma expound on that.
I think when we dig back intothe archaeology of healing, all
(41:28):
cultures and all the planetseverywhere on this part of the
globe had healers in their tribeand community and so on.
They've always had healers,always.
They always had the doctors andthe scientists who had healing
right.
Then how did it get to beunnatural?
(41:54):
When they got to the UnitedStates, who put that in them
that it was unhealthy for themto go see a doctor?
When they got to the UnitedStates, who put that in them
that it was unhealthy for themto go see a doctor?
How about in slavery times?
(42:15):
The doctor was such a badperson to go to because any
doctor you sought was probablyon the means of the master.
So I don't know if that was agood visit.
Now they probably had somemidwives to deliver babies that
could tell some people were sickand they had some healers
inside their situation, theirsituation, and I'm sure they had
(42:38):
some people so they would goseek them out.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
But, to go see a white doctor.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I think that was the stigma, Okay, and I think that
lasted until it just becamedoctors hospitals, because,
remember, they was putting a lotof people who had sicknesses in
the 60s and 70s into psychwards.
Yes, so that was also like Idon't know if I want to go in
there.
If you go in there, you may notcome back out.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
So that created a lot of lore against that, but
factual, because there were alot of black people who went
into hospitals that never cameback out and they could never
see, and they, you know, theygot violent and they they went
into the other ward, you know,and and think it just.
Things happen like that.
You know what I mean.
So there's there's definitely alot of Great reasons why the
(43:46):
mistrust was there.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
I understood so that slavery pivot.
That moment was like a badpivot towards destruction for us
absolutely, absolutelyabsolutely so now, what would
you say?
Speaker 2 (44:10):
if we fast forward to 2024.
I don't know if that stillshould stand.
You know what I mean, so Ithink it should.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I think it should, though you know why I say that,
because something that you gotto remember it was hundreds of
years of brutal treatment and itpassed on and through
epigenetics.
If you, if you study that, ittell it, it teaches you or
explains the fact that you knowyou can pass trauma from one
(44:48):
from your, from you, fromyourself, to your offspring.
So imagine hundreds of years,generation after generation, of
brutal treatment, lowself-esteem, rape, et cetera.
You're not going to shake thatoff a few hundred years after
that because people are givingyou so-called freedom.
(45:12):
That's not going to happen.
And not only that.
Hold on one second.
Not only that.
After that, there were a lot ofthings that happened Redlining,
et cetera, and all thatBrutality, the crack era, like
there was a timeline thathappened from slavery that led
all from slavery all the way upuntil nowadays, where they have
(45:35):
switches, drug, you know, um,designer drugs, pills, and, yeah
, you know it's like, it's likeour people never really got a
break after that.
So, so, so, yeah, I think, Ithink, I think it's still gonna
stick to this point.
You know what I mean so what'sso?
Speaker 2 (45:50):
what would it take to change your vision?
That would change your thinking, because vision is the only way
it's going to change yourthinking.
Because you're not readingright.
Your literacy collectively islow, so not enough of your
reading.
If you are reading, not many ofyou are comprehending.
And if you are reading, whatare you reading?
(46:12):
Are you reading the localtabloids?
Are you reading just your localnewspaper?
What are you reading, right andso, and and what information
are you trying to collect?
So that plays a part in, andthen the lack of reading, and
and then what?
What streams are you listeningto?
And what flipping of the newsthings are you listening to?
(46:34):
Because we know now thealgorithms are placated to your
sense of thinking constantlybombarding with information.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Let's see that.
That.
Let's see that makes see uhelijah muhammad's uh idea of
separation makes a lot moresense to your point, because it
seems like we need a separationand a rewiring to do it.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
It's also what they ingest, also, as they say in the
120 lessons and quote me wrongwhen they say that he doesn't
know because he eats the wrongfood.
He's been taught how to eat thewrong food as a child, so
they're constantly ingestinginformation mentally.
What you eat, your environmentplays a part.
It's like people in theprojects.
I'm not saying all, but it'slike they see the conditions of
the project and say, well, thisis home, it's just supposed to
(47:27):
look like this.
Say, if one person decides toclean up, they'd be like why are
you doing this for?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, they would ask them the question.
And even to your point, ron, Ithink even the separation is
good and it is good.
I believe it is.
It is good and it could be good.
But I want people to go throughthe process, through a thought
(47:57):
process first, not just becausethey are running away from the
other side, because they'regoing to be mischaracterized
when they do something out ofbounds.
Okay Right, I don't want you towork out Because someone beat
(48:18):
you up.
I don't want you to studymartial arts or pick up a gun
Because you felt disenfranchised.
And now you feel strong Becauseyou're in a group.
They largely look like you.
Now you're starting to train,now you're starting to shoot,
now you're starting to feel Someself-vigor about yourself, and
you still haven't turned yourthought process from being the
(48:40):
victim yeah, I get your point.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
I get your point with that.
Yeah, uh, I'm I'm not anadvocate of the victim mentality
, you know, especially comingfrom the 5% nation, where you
know it's taught that you knowthe black man is God.
So if the black man is God,then you know, you have all
control.
You know of yourself, yoursurroundings, other people's not
(49:05):
, I don't want to say otherpeople's surroundings, but
everything surrounding you.
So you know, uh, I hear peoplefrom the nation of the five
percent nation actually talklike, like with the victim
mentality.
You know, like, the white mando this and the white man do
that.
You know, I just look at him,like you know.
But the black man is god though.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
So whatever the white man is doing, it's not gonna
matter it shouldn't matter,right, right, and that's what I
mean when, if a person's not a,you are a thinker, but if a
person's a less than theywouldn't understand the
(49:48):
dissidence between the wordings.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
And that's cerebral castration Because of that.
So they stuck in that box.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Right, right.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
And that's dangerous.
Now I just want to ask this.
So what would you say?
You know, I want to keep goingwith this, this conversation,
because this is an importantconversation that we can go talk
about it the days on end.
Now, what would you say?
I don't want to close out thewhole conversation.
I would definitely want to do apart two on this.
(50:30):
I want to do a part two on thisthe state of the Black
community.
So what would you say is thesolution?
Now, elijah Muhammad said toseparate.
Elijah Muhammad says toseparate.
What would you say?
The solution is?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Know thyself, Know thyself.
The most scary thing to do ishow do I begin to know myself?
That's the question I hopesomeone's asking themselves if
they listen to it, Like, okay, Iknow myself, no, but if I
(51:07):
really want to, okay.
Dr Dyer is saying, okay, maybeI don't know myself.
Okay, so how do I begin to knowmyself and where do I learn it?
That's the question.
Great question.
I'm not saying one person'smore right than another or
someone's less than another, butgo start to find yourself in
(51:34):
certain areas, opportunities,certain groups, certain factions
.
There's some answers out there.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
For sure, and it's just to speak to your point.
You know I mean more withscience than a 5% nation.
Those are my two, I would say,favorite schools of thought.
Those are the schools ofthought I was like pretty much
brought up in, right.
So so you know, and, and, andthe 5% teachings it's all about
(52:03):
knowledge of self.
It's all about knowledge ofself.
And even in MST of a or morescience they teach study that
self they teach study thyself,right?
exactly that's what Nobujo Alisaid.
If you would ask a man what tostudy, I would tell him study
(52:23):
thyself, and then study yourselfand then study again.
Keep studying.
So that's the main premise ofthat school of thought, right.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
That's because even in all the martial sciences that
has ever been from thought tomotion, like stars and the
planets you have to know wherethe organic breath starts and
that also gets put into movementand that also gets put into
(52:56):
movement.
A good education in martialarts and I'm sorry that there's
some clown schools out there, Iwish I could close them all, I
wish I really could but a goodinstructor in martial arts will
teach you what you call to startto deconstruct all of what you
thought.
You thought From your balanceto your toes, to your hair, to
(53:19):
your fingers, and start again.
And once you start thatphysical process, hopefully
you'll start that mental process, because it is a breath, it is
a life.
There is a breath, it is a life.
There is a pause, and thenthere's the mental studies and
(53:42):
the real studies, and there'sstudies out there, right, and
that's just because I don't know.
You know, that's just me.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Got you.
So the solution for you is tostudy, study thyself, know
thyself, and that that's that'sa great point, and that's that's
something that's said acrossthe board in different schools
of thought, martial arts exceptuh, I think even buddhism, right
yes, yes it is bud Buddhism, Imean all sex of Buddhism.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
The base is know thyself, All sex of Buddhism.
The first thing is begin toknow thyself.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Got you.
On that note, thank you forstopping by this evening, dr
Paul Dyer.
Thank you, mikey, for comingout this evening.
I really appreciate youbrothers.
Great conversation on the stateof the Black community.
We're going to keep going withthis.
I would love to do a part twoof this so we could go and
expound a little bit more on thestate of the Black community.
I want to talk about Haiti indepth.
(54:45):
You know, I got you.
You get what I'm saying and youknow, thank you.
Thank you, big Gucci Casey.
All right, thank y'all forcoming out this evening.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Peace to everybody.
I do want to say one thing Ifyou want to be truly prepared,
you must fully be faithful andbeing vulnerable to your
ignorance.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Oh, that's deep.
Thank you oh.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
Say that one more time.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
To be fully prepared, you must be truthful and
vulnerable to your ignorance.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Mm-hmm.
With that said, we are out inpeace.
Peace, he is he.
all right, what's going on?
Everybody that was.
That was an interesting show,the last one that was all right.
Today we're talking about, uh,the state of the black.
What happened, uh, dire to die?
Oh, because when the musiccomes on, something happens, so
he has to come back in.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Peace people, we're back.
I know y'all enjoyed the show.
Some comments were like we out,we come back tomorrow.
Listen, people.
We got to give everybody theopportunity to come on this
platform, so don't bediscouraged.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
You know what I want to talk about, that before we go
into the state of black, theblack community, this is a
universal platform.
Again, this is a universalplatform.
They're not going to just bemores on here, they're not going
to just be five percenters.
They're not going to just be ina why you saw Adams swore, and
now you're going to see otherpeople coming on.
(01:03):
They're going to probably beEuropean, arab.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
We're going to have allso-called colors of the spectrum
.
So don't run, don't run.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
They're like, we're discouraged, we come back
tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I'm out, I'm like come on, man Well that kind of
fits into the state of the blackcommunity.
It really does, because, asmany people know me as Dr Paul,
emotional scientist andneuroscientist but the other
hands I reach out in is to isI'm a political scientist and
(01:42):
I'm a political strategist.
I've helped people run foroffices all throughout the
country.
My lowest seat that I've everhelped get into office is mayor
and I've gone all up the gamutinto working for a person who's
running for presidency.
So I've won some governorships.
(02:04):
I've won some statelegislations and mayors and
stuff.
So I'm reaching out to thosepeople and we're going to have
them on this show exclusively totalk about where they're at,
what they're doing, what theircommunities are doing, and to
look at it from a leadershipperspective, right, not just
(02:27):
from a person who's living underalways.
Right, we got to look at whatthey're seeing and how they're
seeing it and what are thenumbers they're getting.
Because the one thing about theblack community is, from coming
into a behavior scientist and asa political strategist, is that
(02:50):
I care about my people.
I care about humanity in awhole.
I really do, and so some peoplehave come at me a little bit on
some of my social media,especially because I'm into
firearms, I'm a warrior, I trainin gun, I teach gun, I teach
knife, I teach open hand, Iteach armed.
(03:14):
I teach all of that to groups,to not just groups families and
friends, yes, but I teach themto special groups, people who
you don't normally see and whothey are.
I work for agencies, so you'regetting a person like me who has
(03:34):
their hands into theinformation but also who's very
active into the information, soI just don't read and let it
slide by.
I read because I'm active in it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, I respect that you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Some people say they're activists but they think
they're just reading papers andthey're getting hyped on things
.
Right, you know.
They say it's wrong about this,it's wrong about that and the
numbers say this, but they'renot really out into the
community to see the numbersactivated or deactivate, right.
(04:11):
So the state of the blackcommunity is confusion.
Right, we we often say how comewe're not pulled together?
We're pulled together.
We we often get pulled togetherin tragedy.
Right, if you think of things,we only come together in tragedy
(04:35):
.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Trauma bonding.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I just trauma bonding , but I also call that cerebral
castration.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Okay, can you that?
Cerebral castration?
Okay, can you explain?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
right, castration meaning to take away from the
male or the female reproductivesystem.
Right, we know that that's whatcastration is in.
The cerebral castration iscutting off all abilities to
ever reproduce.
What you call a good thought,because it's not from a
(05:14):
conscious thinking person.
So that's why I call itcerebral castration.
So basically, it keeps you inthe fear box.
You can't move on.
That's the simplification of it.
But when you study neuroscience, there's a lot of other fibers
(05:35):
that's going on.
We talked about those.
There's a lot of other thingsthat's going on.
Synapses is going on.
But if you can never get thingsto fire, you're castrated.
And if you're castrated thatway, then you're castrated with
all your thinking and all youremotions.
So even the numbers don't makesense to you.
Even the things you hear justinflame you to do things that
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you're going to believe is thecorrect thing to do, which is
why the mob often rules.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Okay, I'm going to pose this question to Mike.
When you think of the state ofthe Black community, what's your
thoughts?
The Black community I look atthe Black community the people
are still.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
What are your thoughts?
What are your thoughts?
Yeah, the black community.
Yeah, I look at the blackcommunity.
The people are still, I couldsay, emotionally disenfranchised
, haven't recovered Right.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
So if you're saying they're disenfranchised prior to
disenfranchisement, was what?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
There was stripping, identity slavery, stripping of
your identity language they weredehumanized.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Right.
The first thing that happenedto black folk was they were
dehumanized.
So now the question is when didthe collective black folk get
their humanization back?
Collective black folk get theirhumanization back.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Collective.
Black folk get theirhumanization back.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
No One by one, not collectively.
When did they get it back?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I don't know they try recovering it during.
Like you know, I know the 60scame back with a renaissance.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
You know trying to it was close.
Yeah, it was the closest itever was, in 71.
And even that was throughtrauma bonding Not as much
because the Martin Luther Kingassassination, the Bobby Kennedy
assassination, the Kennedy, allthose assassinations didn't
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create a mob.
It created a trying tofranchise unity, black, white,
all of it.
But it was close because blackscould get a job, they were
working, they were buying homes,they were moving out of the
(08:09):
ghetto.
Right, the wealth gap was theclosest, closed from 68 to 75.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
That was the closest it came.
So what was happening then?
Kids were going to school,literacy programs were developed
.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
It was happening.
The nuclear family was moretogether, right?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So what happened to when they were almost
franchising to becomedisenfranchised?
We started arresting more blackmen, right?
People started coming back fromVietnam.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
At that time they were addicted to heroin.
When they came back fromVietnam that also threw the
community off as well the heroin.
You see what I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So now the drugs start entering the community.
And it broke it and they keptit.
No, it entered the community,they kept it in the community
and they distributed it in thecommunity to disenfranchise it.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, and you got to think that the war and the
psyche, as you mentioned earlier, the assassination of leaders,
activists, so that fractured thepeople's mind as well.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But it didn't fraction as much that you
thought it would.
It really didn't.
I mean, you have more riots onChauvin, on the neck of George
Floyd than you did on MartinLuther King they quelled it.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Shout out to the 5% of the nation on God's earth.
They quelled it from happening.
It would have got bad in NewYork.
It would have got bad if NewYork in the 60s.
It would have got bad if theydidn't get involved.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Because it was so.
George Floyd was worse thanMartin Luther King, and George
Floyd was what a drug addict atbest.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Uh-oh, you're going to have them.
Listen, they're going to attackus today.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Today we're going to have them.
They're going to attack us.
Today, we're going to getattacked today.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Oh my god emails and all kinds of stuff they selling
out.
I knew it first.
They had the white boy on theshow.
Oh, it's done anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
The examiner of Minneapolis, of Hennepin County,
said he had this much in himanyway.
So whether he had died of it,he could have died of an
overdose at home no one wouldhave cared.
The whole thing was a perfectstorm.
So I'm not talking about whatChauvin did.
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That's different than what heingested.
You know what I mean, Right,Right.
So don't get it twisted betweenadding one and one and you're
trying to get a whole differentfraction, right?
So here's the crazy part, whenyou've got the state of if we
were such in dire straits of how, because we love this country,
(11:24):
and here's how we even know welove it.
We love it collectively, becausewe're the second highest people
enlisting into the armed forces.
The second highest percentagewe enlist into the armed forces.
Highest percentage we enlist inthe armed forces.
You know whites they do what66%.
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We're up there.
We're so high up there andbecause of our population and
we're only 13% of the populationwe are still enlisting.
13-18% of our population aregoing into the military, which
is the second highest.
So why are we enlisting ifwe're so disenfranchised against
(12:14):
america?
Are we disenfranchised againstamerica or we disenfranchise
against the populace, thecorporatists right and the
people who are trying to runeverything.
What are we really against andwe haven't really focused on
(12:36):
that.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Gotcha, okay, okay.
So what would you say is, whenI think of the state of the
black community right, you know,I go quote unquote because you
know, as far as what I know frommore science, more science, or
the prophet Nobuja Ali teachesus that, basically, according to
(13:00):
science, black means death.
So I always quote, unquote,quote.
Black means death.
So I always quote, unquote,quote, unquote on that.
But when I think about theblack community, quote unquote,
I think about the Haitiancommunity, yes, yes, about just
the Africans in the diaspora.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
So if we talk about Africans in the diaspora, you
know we're not just, you knowtalking about African-Americans,
because African-Americans havetheir separate issue, Haitians
have their separate issue.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
However, our cultural issues.
They have different Right.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Right, but the root of all of our issues would stem
from slavery and then go fromthat point on imperialism, right
.
So so you know when I thinkabout.
So, as far as the state of theblack community, when it comes
to the haitian community, mike,what do you see in the haitian?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
community, haitian community.
What, first and foremost, as drdyer said, right,
disenfranchised from coming fromslavery.
A birth of a nation came fromslavery, from pain.
Right, these people didn't havetime to settle down, to
reacclimate themselves, to behuman beings.
They were just constantlyfighting and then an addendum
placed on them.
So now you're like all right,you got your little liberty, but
(14:23):
now you can't feed yourself.
The way this new worldfunctions, we're going to
cripple you from making money.
So now you're just stuck.
You're back there, disgruntled,unhappy, and realize what did I
fight for?
That right there will createself-hate and then they start
having infights.
Then he had the mulatto side,then he also had you got to take
into consideration.
I don't want to get too farinto it with the Dominican
(14:46):
Republic as well.
So it's two different factions.
Both nations came out of, youknow, birth from slavery,
fighting whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And it's a constant conflict.
It's the United States'playbook.
We've been doing this playbookfor a very, very long time.
Since Ferdinand, we've beensplitting countries.
We do our.
We are the best at splittingcountries.
We are Us and England, we dothe best at splitting countries.
(15:19):
We split Haiti up because wegave some people money and took
away a lot of money from otherpeople who had money Right.
And then when people certainpeople who look to United States
for help, where other nationalHaitians said we don't need the
US, why you keep asking the US?
(15:39):
That was an infighting withinthemselves.
Every country has done that tothemselves, but we kind of
nudged it along a lot of the way.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
We did it in Mexico, we do it all over the world.
We do it all over the world.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah, we do, and that's why this man right here
was trying to.
He figured it out too.
That's why I respect him.
I'm shaking forever Margie T,and he's why this man right here
was trying to.
He figured it out too.
That's why I respect him.
I'm shaking forever Margie Tand he's like look what's
happening to us.
The European is destroyingthese Latin American countries.
They got you divided, takingyour resources, and then they're
united, but you can't unite.
Is that a problem, right?
So what Dr Dyer is saying isvery true.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
We're just stuck in a crabs, in a barrel, which is
feeling disenfranchised, andwhen you feel disenfranchised,
you feel dishonored.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
And if you feel dishonored, you're going to
fight.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Here's the problem now.
The fighting starts where andwhere else does it end Exactly?
Here's the problem now thefighting starts where and where
else does it end?
In the mind.
It starts in the mind, but itends in bloodshed in the streets
, right.
Right, maybe we're often notunified.
(17:02):
So we have different groups whoare unifying people, which is
awesome, right, we've got themtraining and learning and
developing and creating theessence of who they are and what
they want to be as a humanbeing.
Right, we're giving you your.
You're a human being, you're ablack human being, you are, you
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are human first.
Right, but if they and they cansay we are America too, you
have some that says we areAmerica too, we are.
Some says we need to separatefrom America.
Right, so now you havedifferent things going on in the
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black community, like am Iamerican?
Should I not want to be anamerican but live in the united
states?
So are we separating?
Are we?
Are we collecting a state so wecan call our own?
Are we collecting our own?
That's not going to happen inany life form.
Are we collecting a state so wecan call our own?
Are we collecting our own?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That's not going to happen in any life form.
Right, you think that we're notgoing to.
We can't separate.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
We can't to who, to what, To where?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So let's say, let's say, like the nation of Islam's
philosophy, well, elijahMuhammad's philosophy, the
original to build our own state.
Basically, we just separatefrom the European and we have
our own state, our own police,our own.
Yes, I agree with all of it.
They were accomplishing that,though they were getting it.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
No, I would agree with all of it.
I think we do need our ownpolice force.
The Hasidic Jews do it.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yes, they do.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
In many areas.
They have their own policeforce, they have their own fire,
they have their own Right.
But they do work with the stateRight.
They have a section that theybought up Right.
They had to buy it first fromthe county, from the area.
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They had to collectively buy it.
They collectively build it.
The school, the fire department, whatever municipalities they
had to do, they had to build itRight and they can say that
these six blocks is where we doour thing.
They still have to work withthe state or the city.
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They can't stop the state orthe city from coming in.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So you can have your own.
Own doesn't mean you stopeveryone else from coming in.
You keep them at bay byrepresentation by joint
commissions, by you know, beforeyou come into our area you
notify us.
It's almost like a tradeagreement they have with the
(20:02):
Indians, right, but theyactually it's different, because
the Indian nations aresovereignty, so the police can't
arrest on their on a nativeland.
Well, police can't arrest inHasidic neighborhoods.
So it's not sovereignty.
So you're never going to havesovereignty in the United States
(20:26):
, unless you were a NativeAmerican, and that took how much
blood.
Anyway, we're not going to getthere because historically they
should have whatever right, yeah, right.
So yeah, you can.
Yes, that is possible.
To buy, to create, to developschools, fire departments,
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police departments, all of it.
That is definitely possible.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
But, just like you said, the state has to be
involved, the government has tobe involved in everything like
that, right, some mores wouldsay that that's not with the
profit set up, say that that'snot with the profit set up and
some mores would say that theprofit actually did set it up to
where it's like you are anactual citizen and it's
connected to the, to thegovernment, the, the temple, etc
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.
Etc.
Etc.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, so on.
On legalities, that bridgedoesn't work well.
In the federal government youmay win some lower cases, but if
you start to get into thefederal court you're going to
have problems.
It's the court.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
It's the court, as he said.
It makes much sense becauseevery state has its own
constitution, so it has to goaccording to state level, not
federal level, right?
That's why I say, when youstate level, not federal level,
right right.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
That's why I say when you get to the federal level,
you're gonna get, you're gonnaget crushed a little bit, if not
you get, you're gonna be one ofthose guys getting body slammed
on the side of the road.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
It's rolling, so let's not even go into that and
let's get and let's get into.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
So, when we look at, when we look at some of the
other things, how we we get soangry about one of the most
things we talked about withChauvin and God, I don't know
why I can't remember his name.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Who?
Derek Chauvin?
Oh, Floyd Floyd.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
The police issue people raising the police
shootings, the police brutality,the police killings and stuff
like that.
The average police shootfatally about 1,000 people a
year, About 1,000.
A thousand and the last numberI heard in 2024, it was
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approximately 277.
Of them were Black ornon-Hispanic that didn't make
the media no that's 277 out of1,000.
So that means there's still 733people getting fatally shot by
the cops.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
But we take it as such a thing, like they're
hunting us.
That word is such.
It's like nails on a chalkboardto me, because they're getting
disinformation to keep themdisenfranchised right like
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saying that the police arehunting black people.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yes, right that that minds, that mindset or state of
thinking is old and it was truesome time ago.
Right, but it was.
It was.
It was true as well throughthrough like the 20s, 30s, 40s.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, they were hunting them to fill the prison
so they can get free labor, soon and so forth.
You're correct about that.
It needs to, yeah, so now theworld's changing a bit.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
It is changing a bit.
You know the police are now,you know, just aren't white
anymore.
You know what I mean.
So I get the point Like it'slike a lot of different
nationalities.
However, you know it.
What, what do you say to peoplewho say, you know, socially, the
people are primed andprogrammed to still hate black
(24:26):
people yeah, so and and andthey're a part of the police
force, so when they go intoblack neighborhoods they already
, you know, expect, you knowthis is going to happen, they're
going to, you know, do somekind of crime.
Or because you gotta remember,like you know, all over the
world people have this, havethis bad okay in their mind
(24:47):
about us, listen, listen.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I.
I've known some police chiefswho were black, who were not
black.
The same conversation to havethat.
That often that gets to them,that I talk with them about who
I even work with.
I wish I had some localhomegrown officers.
I wish I could have somehomegrown officers that came
(25:14):
from the neighborhood so wecould put back to the
neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
That makes sense, yep .
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Okay, so they look for that in their applications.
Man, you're from Brooklyn, allright, you still got to go
through.
You know your thing?
Your training.
But I tell you, you're goingback to Brooklyn, you know, and
that's good for us.
We like that, this is yourpeople.
(25:41):
So where are all the applicantscoming from?
They're not coming fromBrooklyn, they're coming from
Westchester.
They're coming from Albany.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Syracuse.
All that so they're not exposed, they're not familiar with the
environment.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
They're coming from Bridgeport, Connecticut.
Okay, so is it a fault?
It's a fact.
Can you train this inside ofthem to look at it a different
way?
You can try.
But even if you talk to a whatyou say, a person from a
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neighborhood, how often are theydriving around at 2 am in
certain areas of their ownneighborhood that they wouldn't
drive around in, Right?
Okay, so they're stereotypingit.
So they're stereotyping it.
They're not walking to thelocal bodega shop at 3 am, 1 am.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You ask them when are you going to the local store?
Not this time of night, right?
So even in their own personalminds, they disenfranchise their
community.
So how do you expect a personwho's not from there, or even
(27:08):
live nowhere near there, comeinto there and not have this
thought process when their ownpeople think this way?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Right, yeah, that's a good point, that's a good point
.
Right, yeah, that's a goodpoint, that's a good point.
So one thing that uh, mike andI, when we started that par
organization, um, and you know,this is something that uh, we we
definitely want to have in thefuture we want to have uh actual
officers on the podcast so wecan talk to them to kind of
(27:36):
bridge the gap between thecommunity and the police force,
to learn how they, to learn howto respond to what you know
police doing their job.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I jump off, matt, because we've all had these
conversations with men, withpolice.
I've had these conversationswith just tons, tons of them and
again, from their hearts totheir mouth, to my ears, to you.
(28:12):
We're not the same.
I wish I could give you, paul,but we don't look at things the
same way.
So I can give you what I can do.
I can give you what I know mybuddy can do, my partner would
do, but Out of the squad I can'ttell you what they would do and
(28:39):
that's just so real.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
So I just want to say this and I I want to say what
this person said and I want tosay what I have to say.
So, officers that don'tundermine probable cause, uh, or
reasons for a stop yeah, you'reright about that, of course,
for sure, for sure.
So so you're saying you saidthat they're not the same, dr
Paul Dyer, meaning the policearen't.
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What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Like you.
You, when you join, when youjoin anything, any group, any
organization, you don't loseyourself.
You bring yourself with youRight.
You get trained into theorganization that you're joining
(29:28):
, yep.
So now let's apply the math I'mstill myself, I'm getting
trained into the organizationI'm joining.
I'm still myself, I'm gettingtrained into the organization
I'm joining.
Now I'm out there representingthe organization with myself,
but yet lead with theorganization.
But through that lens of theorganization, I'm putting my
(29:59):
vision first.
So if a person grew up nothappy around black folk, it's
going to come out of them beforetheir uniform does, just by the
way they address you it has tobe in you, it has to be innate.
If it's not innate, it's it'sjust there right like a, a, a
(30:24):
white cop who grew up in in um,in um, upstate new york, and
he's working in in the bronx,somewhere south bronx, and he
says he says hey, hey, spick,pull over.
Well, I thought that's what youSpanish people call each other.
(30:44):
You know what I mean.
Like what are you talking about?
Everyone's looking at him likehe's crazy.
But like why would he thinkthat was okay?
It doesn't matter why he thinksthat's OK.
He thought it was OK.
Did he mean anything by it?
Right now, in this case, mebeing a person listening to this
(31:08):
, or me being Hispanic hearingthis, I'm a little bit turned
off, man, I'm a little bit upset.
You know what I'm saying, right?
So this whole stop has gonesideways already.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Right, right, so that's why I think that is
important for the policeofficers.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
They do try to get you training.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Well, not the training meaning.
What I mean is what I'mthinking is I'm suggesting that
you know they do have communityoutreach in these precincts.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, so what?
My thing is like one or twopeople.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Right.
But my thing is like what arethey who, what?
What's the formality?
Like, what are they doing inthese community outreach things?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Like well, the formality is to go out.
They go to community events,they talk to whoever you call
local leaders.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah, community figures yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, communities, they try to go to these events,
the school events.
That's where you mostly seethem is at school events.
Yeah, so if you want to talk tothat community officer.
Visit your local schoolcommunity officer.
Visit your local school.
They'll probably be at some PTAmeetings.
So they'll meet the parents inthe area and those different
schools.
They'll be at events.
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So, other than that, maybe ablock party or some event that's
happening in the community theywill show up and walk around
just so their faces, faces, canbe seen.
And who put it on?
Who's one of the vendors?
Talk to the vendors they talkto.
They talk to the local vendorsin the area, the storekeepers,
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so people know who they are.
But that's still a lot of peoplein the circumference of any
several blocks of a schooldistrict, right, so if you don't
want to meet them, you're nevergoing to see them because
they'll never know who you are,because they're never going to
reach everybody.
That's why they only like, ifyou don't go to a pta meeting,
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there's no way you're going toknow who they are if you don't
get involved in your communityand I'm not saying getting
involved by proxy, like myfriend went down there, right,
she told me all what was goingon, yeah, but did you see the
people there?
Did you see the communityofficers?
Did you talk to them?
You know what I mean.
(33:31):
If you're only visiting thingsin your community by proxy
meaning you're not physicallyvisible then how are you part of
your community?
But you're part of yourcommunity when things are upset,
you hype it up.
Did you hear what went on downthat corner?
(33:52):
I knew they were going to dothat to that boy.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
That's what you're saying, though getting involved
in the local politics to knowwhat's going on, your community
assemblyman district, thecommunity affairs you know.
Then talk about the talk, aboutthe situation, the events that
affect the community, which isimportant, because we do need um
a bridge with the community andthe police to understand the
cult, the so-called culture sulyjust gave us a.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Suly just gave us a good reference here.
They sponsor kids activitieslike easter egg hunts or parades
.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Okay, so that's where we will find the community
officers you know, when I wasgrowing up in the bronx we had
the police leagues.
I know they don't have a lot ofstuff no more.
You know the power leagues, theboxing leagues and things like
that.
So, they used to do a lot ofthat, but that was in the 70s,
right, we were at our closest inthe 70s and 73 to be exact.
(34:54):
Again, we were at our closestto being franchised in the 70s.
We were at our closest to beingfranchised in the 70s.
But when I hear people saythey're getting ready for what
is coming, I don't like some ofthe verbiage that is attacking
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the cerebral castrations ofhuman beings.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
So break that down a bit.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
So when I tell you, as a thinking person, be ready
for what's coming.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
What would be your next step?
My next step would be to findout what's coming.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Find out what the hell am I talking about.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
That's so true because whatever happened to we
had inner city organizationsright, some school of thoughts.
I don't see I could be wrong.
I don't see them doing muchwork in the community anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Okay, so you hear me speak.
I sound a little bit jaded.
Well, I'm upset, I'm angryabout what they, because they're
always against us.
It's always them and it'salways what they do.
We don't know who they are, butwe know that they're always
(36:32):
involved.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Who are they?
Who are?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
they.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
But we know it's them .
How can we prove it?
Because I heard it.
Right, and I start giving youstatistics.
You know, 277 of our brothersand sisters were killed last
year by cops.
That's because they're gunningfor you, but I don't give you
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that by cops, that's becausethey're gunning for you, but I
don't give you that.
They shot also 733 other people.
This is the United States.
We're not talking about in ablock or in a precinct.
We're talking about, in theUnited States, a thousand fatal
shootings.
So I can start skewing likescience.
I can start getting any data Iwant by what I put out there.
(37:25):
And if you're not a thinkingperson, right, and if you are
emotionally unstable becausetalking about our brains before
talking about how we think, howwe see, how we feel, we've
talked about all those factorsbefore and if you're not
(37:54):
balanced, isn't that going toturn and twist you to being more
erratic?
But now you believe in me, soyou trust me.
So I tell you to go getprepared, go get ready.
But I'm charging a bomb readyto explode on my word.
(38:14):
You're still disenfranchised.
Now you have dishonor, so thatmeans you have.
You have some anger.
And if we talk about the stateof the black community, do you
know?
We have the highest ER visitsabout mental health in the
United States.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
That's a fact.
I had no idea fact.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
The highest ER visits are for black and brown people.
For mental health we're thehighest.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
I noticed that they brought in EDPs a lot of
schizophrenia bipolar.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Whatever, because we know they can't go by medicine,
because a lot of black peoplecan't afford the medicine and
medication.
Right, you can't go by thetherapist, because not many
people can afford a therapist.
I wish people could afford atherapist.
I wish there could be programsthat can offer free therapy and
there some are.
And there's some therapists whoare trying to do some amazing
work out there, cutting ratesand doing all kinds of great,
(39:20):
great stuff.
I do the same thing.
Psychiatrists, sociologists,all of them social workers are
trying to help.
They're doing the best they canand it's still not enough,
right?
It's, like you know, thimblewater bailing out of a ship we
have the highest ER visits justfor mental health out of a ship,
we have the highest ER visitsjust for mental health.
So if you take that, we're thehighest, and also we're the
(39:45):
second highest in DUIsPercentage.
What that's wild yeah in theUnited States, we're the second
highest of DUIs.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Well, the first one would feed into the second one,
the mental health.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I don't know.
I'll tell you why.
I don't think every blackperson you know drives, do they?
No?
Yeah, see, I know a lot ofblack people just don't drive,
out of 13% of the population.
I just don't see us that higherdrivers, just from what I know
(40:32):
of black folk.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
That's wild For mental health.
That's a big thing.
Right there, People tend to youknow, Dr Dyer, our people tend
to have a stigma with the mentalhealth industry.
You don't believe that Ourpeople have a stigma with mental
(40:58):
health.
They look at it as if you seekmental health they create their
own stigma.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
They create their own stigma.
It's a falsified, createdstigma expound on that.
I think when we dig back intothe archaeology of healing, all
(41:28):
cultures and all the planetseverywhere on this part of the
globe had healers in their tribeand community and so on.
They've always had healers,always.
They always had the doctors andthe scientists who had healing
right.
Then how did it get to beunnatural?
(41:54):
When they got to the UnitedStates, who put that in them
that it was unhealthy for themto go see a doctor?
When they got to the UnitedStates, who put that in them
that it was unhealthy for themto go see a doctor?
How about in slavery times?
(42:15):
The doctor was such a badperson to go to because any
doctor you sought was probablyon the means of the master.
So I don't know if that was agood visit.
Now they probably had somemidwives to deliver babies that
could tell some people were sickand they had some healers
inside their situation, theirsituation, and I'm sure they had
(42:38):
some people so they would goseek them out.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
But, to go see a white doctor.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I think that was the stigma, Okay, and I think that
lasted until it just becamedoctors hospitals, because,
remember, they was putting a lotof people who had sicknesses in
the 60s and 70s into psychwards.
Yes, so that was also like Idon't know if I want to go in
there.
If you go in there, you may notcome back out.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
So that created a lot of lore against that, but
factual, because there were alot of black people who went
into hospitals that never cameback out and they could never
see, and they, you know, theygot violent and they they went
into the other ward, you know,and and think it just.
Things happen like that.
You know what I mean.
So there's there's definitely alot of Great reasons why the
(43:46):
mistrust was there.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
I understood so that slavery pivot.
That moment was like a badpivot towards destruction for us
absolutely, absolutelyabsolutely so now, what would
you say?
Speaker 2 (44:10):
if we fast forward to 2024.
I don't know if that stillshould stand.
You know what I mean, so Ithink it should.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I think it should, though you know why I say that,
because something that you gotto remember it was hundreds of
years of brutal treatment and itpassed on and through
epigenetics.
If you, if you study that, ittell it, it teaches you or
explains the fact that you knowyou can pass trauma from one
(44:48):
from your, from you, fromyourself, to your offspring.
So imagine hundreds of years,generation after generation, of
brutal treatment, lowself-esteem, rape, et cetera.
You're not going to shake thatoff a few hundred years after
that because people are givingyou so-called freedom.
(45:12):
That's not going to happen.
And not only that.
Hold on one second.
Not only that.
After that, there were a lot ofthings that happened Redlining,
et cetera, and all thatBrutality, the crack era, like
there was a timeline thathappened from slavery that led
all from slavery all the way upuntil nowadays, where they have
(45:35):
switches, drug, you know, um,designer drugs, pills, and, yeah
, you know it's like, it's likeour people never really got a
break after that.
So, so, so, yeah, I think, Ithink, I think it's still gonna
stick to this point.
You know what I mean so what'sso?
Speaker 2 (45:50):
what would it take to change your vision?
That would change your thinking, because vision is the only way
it's going to change yourthinking.
Because you're not readingright.
Your literacy collectively islow, so not enough of your
reading.
If you are reading, not many ofyou are comprehending.
And if you are reading, whatare you reading?
(46:12):
Are you reading the localtabloids?
Are you reading just your localnewspaper?
What are you reading, right andso, and and what information
are you trying to collect?
So that plays a part in, andthen the lack of reading, and
and then what?
What streams are you listeningto?
And what flipping of the newsthings are you listening to?
(46:34):
Because we know now thealgorithms are placated to your
sense of thinking constantlybombarding with information.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Let's see that.
That.
Let's see that makes see uhelijah muhammad's uh idea of
separation makes a lot moresense to your point, because it
seems like we need a separationand a rewiring to do it.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
It's also what they ingest, also, as they say in the
120 lessons and quote me wrongwhen they say that he doesn't
know because he eats the wrongfood.
He's been taught how to eat thewrong food as a child, so
they're constantly ingestinginformation mentally.
What you eat, your environmentplays a part.
It's like people in theprojects.
I'm not saying all, but it'slike they see the conditions of
the project and say, well, thisis home, it's just supposed to
(47:27):
look like this.
Say, if one person decides toclean up, they'd be like why are
you doing this for?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, they would ask them the question.
And even to your point, ron, Ithink even the separation is
good and it is good.
I believe it is.
It is good and it could be good.
But I want people to go throughthe process, through a thought
(47:57):
process first, not just becausethey are running away from the
other side, because they'regoing to be mischaracterized
when they do something out ofbounds.
Okay Right, I don't want you towork out Because someone beat
(48:18):
you up.
I don't want you to studymartial arts or pick up a gun
Because you felt disenfranchised.
And now you feel strong Becauseyou're in a group.
They largely look like you.
Now you're starting to train,now you're starting to shoot,
now you're starting to feel Someself-vigor about yourself, and
you still haven't turned yourthought process from being the
(48:40):
victim yeah, I get your point.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
I get your point with that.
Yeah, uh, I'm I'm not anadvocate of the victim mentality
, you know, especially comingfrom the 5% nation, where you
know it's taught that you knowthe black man is God.
So if the black man is God,then you know, you have all
control.
You know of yourself, yoursurroundings, other people's not
(49:05):
, I don't want to say otherpeople's surroundings, but
everything surrounding you.
So you know, uh, I hear peoplefrom the nation of the five
percent nation actually talklike, like with the victim
mentality.
You know, like, the white mando this and the white man do
that.
You know, I just look at him,like you know.
But the black man is god though.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
So whatever the white man is doing, it's not gonna
matter it shouldn't matter,right, right, and that's what I
mean when, if a person's not a,you are a thinker, but if a
person's a less than theywouldn't understand the
(49:48):
dissidence between the wordings.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
And that's cerebral castration Because of that.
So they stuck in that box.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Right, right.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
And that's dangerous.
Now I just want to ask this.
So what would you say?
You know, I want to keep goingwith this, this conversation,
because this is an importantconversation that we can go talk
about it the days on end.
Now, what would you say?
I don't want to close out thewhole conversation.
I would definitely want to do apart two on this.
(50:30):
I want to do a part two on thisthe state of the Black
community.
So what would you say is thesolution?
Now, elijah Muhammad said toseparate.
Elijah Muhammad says toseparate.
What would you say?
The solution is?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Know thyself, Know thyself.
The most scary thing to do ishow do I begin to know myself?
That's the question I hopesomeone's asking themselves if
they listen to it, Like, okay, Iknow myself, no, but if I
(51:07):
really want to, okay.
Dr Dyer is saying, okay, maybeI don't know myself.
Okay, so how do I begin to knowmyself and where do I learn it?
That's the question.
Great question.
I'm not saying one person'smore right than another or
someone's less than another, butgo start to find yourself in
(51:34):
certain areas, opportunities,certain groups, certain factions
.
There's some answers out there.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
For sure, and it's just to speak to your point.
You know I mean more withscience than a 5% nation.
Those are my two, I would say,favorite schools of thought.
Those are the schools ofthought I was like pretty much
brought up in, right.
So so you know, and, and, andthe 5% teachings it's all about
(52:03):
knowledge of self.
It's all about knowledge ofself.
And even in MST of a or morescience they teach study that
self they teach study thyself,right?
exactly that's what Nobujo Alisaid.
If you would ask a man what tostudy, I would tell him study
(52:23):
thyself, and then study yourselfand then study again.
Keep studying.
So that's the main premise ofthat school of thought, right.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
That's because even in all the martial sciences that
has ever been from thought tomotion, like stars and the
planets you have to know wherethe organic breath starts and
that also gets put into movementand that also gets put into
(52:56):
movement.
A good education in martialarts and I'm sorry that there's
some clown schools out there, Iwish I could close them all, I
wish I really could but a goodinstructor in martial arts will
teach you what you call to startto deconstruct all of what you
thought.
You thought From your balanceto your toes, to your hair, to
(53:19):
your fingers, and start again.
And once you start thatphysical process, hopefully
you'll start that mental process, because it is a breath, it is
a life.
There is a breath, it is a life.
There is a pause, and thenthere's the mental studies and
(53:42):
the real studies, and there'sstudies out there, right, and
that's just because I don't know.
You know, that's just me.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Got you.
So the solution for you is tostudy, study thyself, know
thyself, and that that's that'sa great point, and that's that's
something that's said acrossthe board in different schools
of thought, martial arts exceptuh, I think even buddhism, right
yes, yes it is bud Buddhism, Imean all sex of Buddhism.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
The base is know thyself, All sex of Buddhism.
The first thing is begin toknow thyself.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Got you.
On that note, thank you forstopping by this evening, dr
Paul Dyer.
Thank you, mikey, for comingout this evening.
I really appreciate youbrothers.
Great conversation on the stateof the Black community.
We're going to keep going withthis.
I would love to do a part twoof this so we could go and
expound a little bit more on thestate of the Black community.
I want to talk about Haiti indepth.
(54:45):
You know, I got you.
You get what I'm saying and youknow, thank you.
Thank you, big Gucci Casey.
All right, thank y'all forcoming out this evening.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Peace to everybody.
I do want to say one thing Ifyou want to be truly prepared,
you must fully be faithful andbeing vulnerable to your
ignorance.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Oh, that's deep.
Thank you oh.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
Say that one more time.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
To be fully prepared, you must be truthful and
vulnerable to your ignorance.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Mm-hmm.
With that said, we are out inpeace.
Peace, he is he.
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