Trump pardons Larry Hoover, Dame Dash Lawsuit, Knicks loss , Ray J & Suge knight

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Still working.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
What's going on world ?
It's your brother, mikey Fever.
Nyp Talk Show Hip Hop Tuesdayswith the brothers Shawnee, clip
and Trev.
We'll be joining us pretty soon.
Shout out to my brother, ronBrizown.
You know what I'm saying, howyou doing, cliff.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Chilling man, chilling man, maintain it,
maintain it.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Maintain it, maintain it.
I hear that, bro.
All right, yo, tonight we'regoing to be talking about all
that good stuff.
We're talking about Trump'spardon, larry Hoover, dame Dash
lawsuit, the Raging shook night.
Before we get into all that,haven't seen your brothers in a
minute?
Man Missed y'all.
You know what I'm saying Samepart of my language.
But missed y'all brothers, man.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, man, I know you was handling Some certain
personal situations, but youknow, as long as everything's
good, that's all that matters,man.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Family.
First gotta take care of thefamily.
Hold up, we got Shawnee coming,coming up on here.
Shawnee, what up?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yo.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yo, yo, yo, Mr Wilson .
What up G's?
I like that.
What up Feverz?
What's up guys?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
What's up?
Man Got the Snoop Dogg on WestCoast in the building.
Shout out to the West Coast.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yo, not for nothing.
Clip and Trev hat game is meanbro.
I don't know if I'll be payingattention to trev uh, uh, his
little walkthroughs that he bedoing, but trev game is mean yo
no we, we, we, we.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Originally you got no disrespect to the young era,
because I got love for the youngkids, but our era created this.
That's a fact.
We created this wave whenfitted hats Was $15.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
That's a fact.
$15.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
You want to know what's funny If you come outside
and you do something simple Imean real simple, Like how your
sneakers match your hat,Something real simple and it's
like these kids look at thatthey be like, hey, yo, like
that's crazy.
And it's like really Just likematching your sneakers with?

(02:18):
Your hat Like really.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yo listen, I knew Trev Hat Game was mean when he
put one of the pictures in thechat and I seen the colorway.
I knew Trev Hat Game was meanwhen he put one of the pictures
in the chat and I seen thecolorway.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
I said ooh, yeah, yeah, we were talking about hat
games, trev, when you pulled upand I was giving you a clip.
Your credit for your hat games,your hat games, is mean that
black joint with the Japanesewriting in pink is retarded.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Trev.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
That thing is retarded.
Trev, that thing is retarded.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
That was a surprise pickup, because I just went in
and I was just seeing stuff andI looked up that shit was over
at the top shelf and I was likelet me get that.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
You guys do some good shopping and.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Clippy pulling up with the exclusive joints that
you're not going to really seetoo often.
You know what I'm saying.
I haven't seen nobody pull upin none of the hats that I've
seen you rock, yet I ain't seenthem in the street yet.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
You know, the funny thing about some of my hats is
like 15 years old.
I can't believe you got them.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I've been telling my mom she be calling me like yo,
you just got that.
I be like nah, I had this awhile Like I gotta go through
the inventory of my hats, but Igotta get rid of some.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
This is why our hairlines is messed up.
Open up a store, that's a fact.
I used to have braids all theway down my back.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I don't know what happened.
I got the leaves right now, bro.
You see the 360s.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Hey your skull.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Listen, I got the skull shaver.
I'm about to shave my joint.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Hey, yo Nah that thing.
There you get an official one,an official skull saver is a
life saver.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
I got one with 9 blades word what you drop on it
40 cash that's not bad.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
I was gonna go get that pitbull joint, the pitbull
platinum joint.
He just want too much money forit cause he got a pitbull on it
he wild it, he want for some.
I nah, bro, I ain't got it.
Bro, I I I'm nice with a razor,I just get back to it.
Yeah, go back to the razor.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
The gillette, that's what I use.
Gillette, just put that shade.
I gotta go back.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Hairy the hairy's hairy shave club is I too, and
dollar club for men is I toolike dollar for men, raz Men is
all right too.
Dollar Club for Men raises niceyo.
Nice and heavy, good weight YoNow you good, let's get ready
too, fellas, let's get itpopping All right Trump.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
I got some things about this Larry Hoover
situation right All right, let'sgo.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
So Trump they're saying that Trump is about to
pardon Larry Hoover.
Did he pardon him?
Because I'm hearing completestories.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
He didn't pardon him.
He commuted his sentence.
So he was doing four lifesentences plus $200 or something
like that.
So when he was locked up at hecan't get no visits, he was
super.
He was like super mad, likewhen they say under the jail.
He's under the jail Now that hecommuted his sentence, meaning

(05:25):
he can go into generalpopulation, he can see people,
he can possibly have visits atthis point to see his family
Real quick.
While we're on that, I thinkPistou P is trying to get the
same thing done as well.
But that's what happened withLarry Hoover.
He's not pardoned yet becausepardoning means you get to come

(05:46):
home.
Commuting his sentence is justless than a sentence.
Instead of doing the life hegot to do the 200 years.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
He's 74 years old.
He's still got to do whatever'sleft from the state.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
He was locked up since like seven-something yeah,
so yeah, I mean, he ain'tcoming home To me.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
he wasn't coming home ever.
But my thing about the LarryHoover thing is why are we
praising Larry Hoover at thispoint?
Like, why are we celebrating?
As soon as the announcementcame out, I seen a bunch of
black people celebrating and I'mlike yo listen, I ain't got
nothing personal against LarryHoover because I don't know that
man personally, but what I doknow is that you, he and a few

(06:37):
others contributed to thedestruction of our communities.
Granted, he tried to turnpolitical and turn his life
around at a certain point, butit's like the damage was already
done.
So it's like now you may nothave done the crime that they

(07:00):
convicted you for, right, butyou did other.
So whatever your karma came upto you came back on you for all
that other stuff you was doingall those years back.
Granted, we all, back in theday, as young men, we all did
some dumb shit.
So I'm not going to sit hereand try to crucify him.

(07:22):
We all did dumb things and madea lot of dumb mistakes.
I'm glad that he was able to beconscious enough to realize
that he didn't want to do itlike that, no more.
He wanted to shift what theywere doing into politics to try
to do something to make a changefor the community.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
But the influence was already taken over as far as
the negative influence wasalready cemented so for proper
context for the listeners andviewers who don't know, can we
go into the history of larrydavis?

Speaker 4 (07:53):
but, but, uh, but that would be part of it that
would david, but at the sametoken right this, this three
kings, it's not just see.
So a lot of what people want toplace at larry's feet don't
solely belong at larry's feetthere's three kings, it's not

(08:15):
just him.
You're king yeah, david, davidbarksdale yeah, and when you and
, and, and, and, when you thinkabout it, it's actually two
different sets that cametogether.
It's not never was, never wasone set.
It was.

(08:35):
What was it?
Gangster Disciples and BlackDisciples.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, Supreme Gangsters and Black Disciples.
It was a peace zone.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Larry was leading one .
No, not Peacestones.
They were both some set ofdisciples at the time.
They were small crews.
They were small crews ahead oftime and under certain
circumstances, they're forced tolink up.
So when you see Larry with themindset of carry the briefcase,

(09:08):
don't carry the gun, wear thesuit, not the bandana.
It wasn't jacked by the otherkings, so you, you can't just
lay that at his feet, becauseyou got to also look at the
after school programs that theyput together.
And even the other side, eventhe other side, jeff Fortin, you

(09:30):
understand.
Now, if you want to talk aboutsomebody who you might deem
dangerous, then talk about JeffFortin, because he's the one who
learned a whole differentlanguage and was trying to buy
bazookas and so on and so forth.
That's different, bro, likethat.
And then, even when you look atit from that perspective, it's
really a freedom fight that justgot spin and then blown out of

(09:53):
proportion from kids.
Yeah, because these are, theseare young men at the time, these
are not men in their 30s youunderstand he's a teenager

Speaker 1 (10:02):
you know, I know.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
But I'm just saying, before we play so much at his
feet because, like, if it wasn'tfor him saying, put the gun
down and pick up the briefcase,there's a lot of politicians,
there's a lot of politicians inChicago, that was folk.
They followed that you get whatI'm saying.
So, for all of that, he's doneso much more good.

(10:26):
He's.
He's influenced so many morepeople to empower themselves.
So that's why we celebrate him.
That's.
That's why, like, if he was tocome home, I would have been
happy about that because oh yeah, I'm past my time.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Just to add context for the listeners and viewers,
those who don't know.
Larry David, as they say youknow, came to Chicago and got
caught up in the whole streetthing because you know there
were many gangs back then.
That's something that Americahad.
Just like politicians, likeRepublican Democrats, it was a
group of kids in the ghetto thatwere trying to find their way.
That's what I was alluding towith the corruption in politics

(11:12):
in Chicago.
They banded together to protectthe neighborhoods from
robberies and such like that.
It sounds similar to thePanther story.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
It is similar.
That's where the gang culturecomes from.
It comes from the Panther story, where we got to protect our
hood.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
So they started these organizations and you know,
truth became a bigger thing.
They were getting grants fromthe government to build the
community as well on Jeff Ford'ssite, and that money got
mismanaged.
That money got mismanaged andit went into street enterprises
and then from there it just grewout to something that they
couldn't control no more.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Is it mismanaged or was it attacked?

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I think it was influenced.
You got to look at it like this.
Chicago at the time was alsoone of the poorest states.
Back then we had Cabrini Green.
Like what we saw on Good Timeswas Chicago.
So if you didn't know aboutChicago, you can literally on.
Good Times was Chicago.
So if you didn't know aboutChicago, you can literally watch
Good Times and get the gist ofwhat Chicago was.

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So at one point it becomessurvival.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
You know what I'm saying, just like the drugs.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
The drugs always became a part of survival
Because when you're young youreally couldn't work, so you
started hustling and helped paybills.
But then it becomes a thingwhere you're in it now and it's
after it goes.
It goes from survival tomaintenance, to lifestyle, you
know.
And then once you're caught inthat lifestyle, it's like I

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can't leave now because I am thesole provider.
I I've been doing this since 12, 13, 14 years old, taking care
of the family.
I'm 17 now.
I can drive, I bought a house,I can do whatever I want.
I can't leave because I have noskills.
You know what I'm saying?
That goes across the board inall cities.

(13:01):
It's just what happens withChicago and gang culture.
It's just like all right.
It's just what happens withChicago and gang culture.
It's just like all right, cool,we protected our.
We started just with themission, but now it's like, oh
shit, we are too deep.
We are basically in too deep towhere we can't even stop the
growth, because now we donebought shit like cars, clothes.

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Now the younger generation islooking at that like, oh snap, I
don't have to go to school todo this, I can go outside and
get blah, blah, blah for acouple of hours.
I can get the car, I can helpmoms, I can do this, and then it
becomes just lifestyle, andthen you can get to where what
it really started, as you knowwhat I'm saying.

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So that's where we get caughtup in.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
So the question is do you think him coming home will
be beneficial for the community?
Yeah, how?

Speaker 4 (13:57):
What can he do?
That's where I agree with Clipat right.
Yeah, what do you expect a74-year-old man to do?
What do you expect a 74 yearold man to do?
What do you?

Speaker 2 (14:07):
expect him to do you expect him taking that?

Speaker 4 (14:08):
do you think that exactly?
Do you think that you?
You think that those lessonsthat had a problem being passed
down in the time period wherethey were the most necessary
survived to 2025?
I doubt it no, I doubt it, no,I doubt it.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Not that the country's not funny, but the way
people are celebrating, likedudes are happy, like yo, he's
coming home, this and that.
I'm wondering are you justhappy that he's coming out of
prison or are you going to tryto go back to see if he could
correct that A lot of those ishis homies, bro.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
A lot of those is old men.
And then think about it.
A lot of those men are not evenin their 70s.
They've been in their 50s.
So those is men that is crying.
There's somebody that theylooked up to is coming home.
That's different, bro that's notnobody saying y'all, I think he

(15:00):
gonna do this, so I think he'sgonna.
He gonna save the people.
That that's not that.
That's.
My man is home, bro, and he dida lot for me and I know what he
did for the people around himand I know him getting
railroaded like that was somenonsense and he finally got a
chance to.
That's what that is, becausethere's no way in the world that

(15:21):
you feel he can have anycontrol over the youth.
I'm going to be honest with youwhen it comes to that type of
thing, it only take one or twopeople who want the power.
That's all it take to disruptthe goal.

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That's all it take.
One or two people who want thepower.
Someone can get into your ear.
It could be one of these, bro.
It could be WP.
Get in your ear, white Power,get in your ear.
I could make you the king.
You the one who should be doingthis, you the one that should
be doing that.
Knock, knock, knock, knock.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah.
Let me ask you this though Doyou think I do, you think I'm
gonna just say this across theboard do you think the youth and
the gang culture and this isacross the board, statewide
respect or really think that hereally has that much influence
to come out and say, I'm like,or do you even think they
respect him to say like yo,listen, I'm gonna come out here?

(16:24):
I doubt he, if he does getcommitted, commuted um, get part
on my phone and says, yo, Iwant this block back, I want to
go back to old block, I want todo this, I'm gonna do that.
Do you think that you're reallygoing to respect him because he
has?
a name, because he is stillLarry Hoover, the name, the

(16:46):
person.
But is his influence stillimpactful for Chicago to say you
know what, you can walk downyou good, you know what I'm
saying and be respected like youare the king.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
I don't think that and I don't even think that he'd
be on some type of time likethat.
I don't think he's on like that.
What's his name?
What's his name?
Is on that type of time?
What's the guy's name?
The guy that just came home andhe wanted to be in everybody's
face, the BMF duel?
Yeah, he's not like that.

(17:22):
He's not that kind of a guy.
He's not that kind of a guylike he's not that kind of a
like he.
He's not in it for a bigjewelry entry, not in it for
that, like he really?
he really no, but I'm justsaying, if you, if you look at
what he was about then and thenyou see what he came out and
he's still about that now to thepoint where he got to get his
son chain.

(17:42):
He got got to do this, he gotto make sure he got this big,
big bag.
He got to be in your face.
It's like it just didn't change.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
You forgot that part.
Shawnee Him smiling every timeHe'd be like this.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah, showing him.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
He got me too, so that's what it changed from.
I ain't even mad at him aboutthat, but his son though.
His son was more infatuatedwith bmf than meach was, because
meach was, like I already didthis like, but that's what I'm
saying.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
He is that, though, so he can't be more infatuated
with it than the person whocreated it.
And then came back home afterbeing years and years away from
it and just had to have it again.
And then came back home afterbeing years and years away from
it and just had to have it again.
I'm I'm painting a picture ofstreet leaders and ideologies
that guide them.

(18:35):
Right, because you need to dothat, because that's going to
split off after a minute.
Right, you're going to have onethat's really about the
destruction.
You're going to be one that'sgoing to use what's destructing
the people around to try toclarify things.
So that's why I'm saying no, Idon't believe that he'd even
come home on that twist, because, sitting out of the society for
a couple of years, you can seehow the society has changed.

(18:57):
It deteriorated a lot clearerthan somebody within it, you
know.
So you, coming into it knowing,knowing you 74, knowing the
thing you created, got so far.
I got out of your control whenyou was in control, so now
you're not thinking about thatanything when that one's that
clip.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
That's a fact right there I agree with shawnee, like
what do we expect?
What are we expecting from thisolder gentleman?
This would all do respect.
Like I said, I don't havenothing against Larry Hoover.
I don't have nothing againstthe GDs or the folks or any of

(19:39):
them BDs, gds, whatever.
I just feel like we got to stopcelebrating the wrong stuff as
a community Facts.
We already know that it's outof control at this point.
How do we round it up andchange the mindset of these kids

(20:02):
and gangs and adults and gangs?
Because nowadays it seems likegang culture is like black
culture exactly, and blackculture is not gang culture and
it's starting to feel like allwe care about is gang culture.

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Nowadays, everything is an op,Everything is my flag,
everything is what I rep Dog,how about we rep just being
black?

Speaker 4 (20:35):
The flag.
It was job born with.
Right the flag, the color yougot to fly just walking down the
street right.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Exactly.
I think the word culture hasbeen taken out of context.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Talk about it, say that again, I want to say five
years.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
I'm turning you up on that note.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
I really think the word, I thought about it.
I think the word culture isused out of context for so long.
I agree with you, Cliff.
Everything is the word cultureand it's looking at black, Even
when you look at music.
The culture of hip-hop was tobe original, to be authentic, to

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be.
It was something to get you outof your situation and to talk
about your situation, and thatwas the culture of hip hop.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
That was before rap was even a part of hip hop.
Before rap was a part of hiphop.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Exactly Because every I want to say state, because
when you look at rap as aculture, when you look at hip
hop as a culture, n when youlook at hip-hop as the culture,
nwa, they had a story to tell.
You know, I'm saying new york,we had a story to tell you know,
I'm saying so.
It was like these are themessages, this is what we're

(21:58):
seeing and this is what we'retrying to get out of now.
When you see, when you, whenthey talk about the culture,
it's like, like you said, now wegot the GS9.
You got the gang culture, yougot the drill culture and it's
killing the culture for real.
We're not really respecting theculture for what it is, for

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what it's worth.
It's dead.
And to say everything is we areall involved in this culture.
No, we're not, because I cantell you like this, because we
grew up.
We may have grown up on thesame block and the same hood,
but we ain't all from the samehousehold.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
The principles have changed.
And what's so dope about whatyou guys said about the culture?
I agree with.
Everything is the narrative.
Somebody's dictating yourculture for you.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
That's what I wanted to shoot.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I I really I really wanted to shoot that shot.
I was really contemplating thishold on, I got you, I got you,
gonna get you.
Look at it, they dictated ourculture for us, like from
gangster, like when we hadhip-hop, we had public enemy.
And wa came about to tell theirstories as well, because we
know we want to shun people outfor telling their stories.
But corporation heads saw it asvery lucrative.
So push that out, everythingthat we make things cool.

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So you see shows like Love andHip Hop and all these other
reality shows with all theignorance.
They see that you know what theratings are going up.
It's what the people like.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
They're going to go for that with that.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
I hate to say it.
They dumb you down to a pointwhere they'll be like you know
what your culture is.
This.
You like ratchetness.
You like loud, ignorant things.
You don't like to be logical,be emotional.
People will tell you juice itup or do this and that or get
live.
They don't understand what thatmeans.
What happened to beingarticulate Go?

Speaker 3 (23:44):
ahead.
The funny thing about oursocieties and this social media
culture today is that wechampion all the ignorance and
then call people stupid whenthey get arrested for the
ignorance.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Facts.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
But you know what Can I add on to that real quick?
Because what you said about,what Mike said about love and
hip hop love and hip hop startedout as just seeing the girls to
the rappers.
Right, it took a whole spin towin.
Everything is I'm chasing thebag, the money just going out of

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this world with it, to thepoint where love and hip-hop
turned into baddies and you gotzeus and you got bad girl club
and all of that yeah, yeah, andyou got all that.
And then now it's now let'sseparate just the entertainment,
because it was entertainment,because you had Chrissy, you had
Emily and you never really sawthese women before.

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You never saw DMX's wife, whowas?
You know who they was dating.
So now it's like, now that theygot the fame and attention, you
know, can you freeze Culture?
They use culture, culture,culture, culture, culture.
And it's not Everything, is notculture, everything ain't even

(25:12):
culture.
With this culture.
At this point you can't evensay this is culture, because we
came from women who respectedthemselves and was looked at
differently back then.
So now, when you say, oh, thisis the culture, this is what
they like.
We don't like this, but this iswhat they're settling for.

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And now we're making the youthand I want to say young adults,
and when I say young adults Imean 30 to 35, saying, well, I
don't have to go to school, Ican possibly be on Zeus and I
could throw drinks at you and Ican get the bag and I can do a
host in it.
Realize, my girl, you reallydumbing yourself down and it's

(25:57):
like that ain't culture, becauseour culture was never that.
We come from a whole lineage ofkings and queens for real.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
That's funny.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Rip Pause.
That's funny.
When do you think the culturedied?
Because a lot of people thinkthe hip-hop culture, a lot of
people think it died in the2000s or like 2006.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Hip-hop the culture died the moment.
The culture died the momentthat we sold our pride and our
morality.
Okay, so now?

Speaker 4 (26:41):
now, cliff got the other hammer.
When we about to shoot, cliffgot the other hammer.
We about to shoot, clip got theother hammer.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
The culture died.
You see what I'm saying theculture died.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
The culture died when we sold it out Right the minute
the culture left the street,when everything was listen, I'm
going down to Delancey, I'mgoing to get fresh.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
I'm just going to.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Delancey, I'm going to get fresh.
I'm just going to be outsidefresh.
What are you talking about?
I got the shirling Huh, I'mmean out here and I went
downtown to get fresh up.
I came back uptown.
What's up Now?
We got the events.
We throwing little blockparties, people coming all the

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way from Brooklyn.
It ain't no cell phones.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
It ain't no Twitter, it ain't no YouTube.
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
We got people coming from Queens, people coming from
Brooklyn Coming to the dirtyBronx in the 70s.
That was the culture we neededit for the escapism purposes.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
The culture of hip-hop is.
The culture of hip-hop wasbirthed from New York City gangs
getting tired of the violenceand unify each other to do
something positive and speakagainst the system that was
oppressing us to begin with Talkabout it, that's the culture of

(28:08):
hip-hop.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Creativity and culture.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
We gotta stop disrespecting the Bronx.
I'm gonna say that.
Nah, nah nah, I'm just sayingwhen I'm saying dirty.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Bronx, I mean at that time.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
I'm from the Bronx.
This Bronx, life or no life,tell him Shorty.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Let me tell you, because the Bronx was the
creator of the hip-hop cultureand it has to be the most
respected borough.
Now we call it the dirty Bronx.
We got to stop that because I'mfrom the Bronx and it's not
dirty about.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
It is dirty.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Because when I'm in Bronx there's no hip-hop and I'm
from the Bronx and I'm like Ihate looking at it like that.
I don't even know where the fat.
Like you said, everybody hadtheir fashion, their style and
you can tell Bronx, queens,brooklyn, manhattan, staten
Island was just that's why Ilove all.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
That's why I love Rakim right, Because Rakim seen
it coming right.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
He seen it coming.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
He got adopted in Brooklyn Yo exactly, but what
I'm trying to say is, you see,when they seen that the aura was
taking over Because, listen, atthe end of the day, they
watching from the outside,looking in.
This is what I was trying todraw.
They watch from the outside,looking in, right, so you can
look at the culture and see howit's developing and then see how
you can control it.

(29:58):
It wasn't even that difficult.
It wasn't that difficult.
It was like all right right,y'all like that right, y'all
like this, y'all like that,y'all like the third.
And then it's like, okay, whenpeople started, like, when
people started rapping, like alot of I ain't gonna lie some of
them raps was super duper trash, um, um, um, no, no, no, for

(30:23):
real, it didn't grow intosomething.
No, let's be honest withourselves.
Some of that joint was trashand some of it was fire and
that's what kind of started tohelp it to develop.
But what I'm trying to say iswhen they were sitting back and
listening and they're like, okay, y'all talking about this,
y'all talking about that.
Okay, so this is a movementabout self-empowerment and

(30:45):
escapism.
Right, that's what this is for,y'all right, okay, back, take
this, take this, um, take thispendant rap, take this pendant
rap.
Now remember dashiki rap, fistin the air, rap, take that right
.
And then we're gonna, we'regonna, slim that down on you,
we're gonna bring that into thestreet.
We're gonna, we're gonna findpoem, we're gonna find poets

(31:08):
that it's gonna be easy to, totake the, the, the, the route
like we are like with, like nas,right, it's easy to go from,
it's easy to go from meli, melto nas.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Oh, god, it's the first real rapper.
This is my point.
It's easy, it's easy, that's aneasy point.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
It's easy, that's an easy transition.
Then now we in the projects,now we in the projects.
Now we transition to CaponeNori.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
I think I'm going to add on to that because when you
think about it, I think at thetime that you're talking with
Melly Mel and the message thatright there that particular song
was like, I want to say thegrowth from popcorn rap to like

(32:02):
lyrics and like somewhat.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
I know, but I'm trying to make the point though,
like I'm trying to make thepoint of control.
Right, I'm trying to make thepoint of control.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
I don't think it was no real control then, because it
was still brand.
It wasn't even 10 years old.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I see what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
I see what you're saying the effect of that record
how people responded to whatthey're right is how is they're
pushing it in this direction?
And I'm trying to show you howit went from that control.
It went from that that weneeded and it came down to nas.
And then it comes down and itgets rorer, and it gets rorer
and it gets rorer to the pointwhere now this is all you hear

(32:45):
when they start.
I'm gonna tell you, when theystarted, when hip-hop started
becoming personal, hip-hop thenused to be personal.
When rappers started tellingyou you was broke.
That happened in like 94, 95,when the data.
So that was never a part of theculture.
So now it's an assault andthat's what I would.
That's what I was getting to,right.

(33:06):
So now let's take away theindividuality of people through
the music, because this is whaty'all like, right?
This is what y'all claim, right?
So now I'm gonna take awayindividuality from y'all.
Y'all all gonna sound alike.
Matter of fact, I'm gonna evenslim down what y'all wear.
Y'all gonna wear rocker wear,y'all gonna wear sean john, and
if y'all live on staten island,y'all gonna wear rocker wheel,
y'all gonna wear sean john, andif y'all live on staten island,

(33:26):
y'all gonna wear wool wheel.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
This is this is what I'm talking about from the
outside, looking in and beingable to control the things that
people are inside and justenjoying so real quick, because
I feel like this I understandwhat you're saying about control
, but I, you know, we was aroundthat and I felt like what I was

(33:49):
seeing and we all looked at itdifferently, but when I, when I
look at Nas, when I looked atJake, when I looked at Puff, you
know, I saw, I sawindividuality within all three
of those people.
I saw individuality within allthree of those people, because I
saw I looked at puff.

(34:11):
I looked even even let's go,let's go to um Russell Simmons,
because Russell Simmons, to me,was like the godfather of the
entrepreneurship when it came tothem being more business minded
.
Now, granted, Cole was alreadyin the street.
Puff came from the industry.
He was literally a student ofthe game.
So when I saw Rockaway, when Isaw Sean John, it just it didn't

(34:35):
look like control to me, itlooks like individuality to me.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Okay but, now let's look at the people who are doing
it though I have my own.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Before we go any further.
We could build on that all daybecause there's a lot of
perspectives.
We got to talk about this DaneDash lawsuit.
What's going on with our man,dane yo?

Speaker 1 (35:03):
He's living check to check like we are.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
That's a fact he's living check to check like we
are he's living big check to bigcheck, you don't think he's
living big check to big check.
He's rich people broke what.
What's like?

Speaker 1 (35:22):
I think he need to go on welfare at this point no
telling him like sam, you haveto sell this to be able to
survive.
When they start telling you itis, it goes from, it's like your
mom's, one of you like, listen,you're gonna hurt yourself,
stop doing that, you're gonnahurt yourself.
And then what happened?

(35:43):
You going to hurt yourself.
And then what happened?
You fall, you hurt yourself.
You get up and say I told you.
When they start telling youthey gave you the option, ok,
we're going to sell you aportion of Rockefeller, you
should be able to get out thedirt at this point with this.
Nobody wants Rockefeller.
Ok, jay-z, the only one whoreally wants it.

(36:07):
And when I saw Dane, with thewhole yo.
You can buy my piece, myportion of it, and I'll give you
a chain Fam.
Nobody cares about the chain,nobody cares about the music,
your portion.
When they start telling youokay, who, these are your assets
and this is what it's worth.
You have to sell this, unless,if you don't, you're going to be

(36:31):
with them dudes, back on 140thStreet with the 40 wolves and
the rest of them, because it'stime, it's over.
Your glory days are done.
I have a question what is theamount for?

Speaker 2 (36:45):
his lawsuit and what is his portion of Rockefeller
11?
.
Your glory days are done.
I'm not watching the movie.
Nothing Go ahead.
What is the amount for hislawsuit and what is his portion
of Rockefeller left?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
$10 million, $10 million for the lawsuit right?
Me personally.
I think Dame is not broke.
I don't think Dame.
I think that's just thebusinesses that we know about.
I think Dame has otherbusinesses and other people's
names that is not being spokenupon that we know about.
I think Dame has otherbusinesses and other people's
names that is not being spokenupon.
I just think that for thisparticular situation in this

(37:11):
lawsuit, they're seizing hisassets.
That's in his name.
Exactly that's how.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
I feel I can see what you're saying.
I can see what you're saying andhaving some truth to it because
Dame been playing this game ofAmerica way too long for him not
to have some type of backupplan, like he's already been
chased out of America once, andeven when he did that and he was
in China and he made Blue Rock.

(37:38):
It goes to show that you can'tstop, alright.
So we know Dame does this.
This is one of Dame's hustles.
Dame creates small companiesand then he sells them, like
that's another one of hishustles.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
To me that was when Dame had like his lane was still
good.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
No, no, no, this wasn't when Dame was still good.
He had lots of small companieslike.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Poppin', I remember that, but this is when Dane
still had some type of clout.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
He had Dusko, that wine he had.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
I'm talking about small, like you guys heard of
Poppin'.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, I remember he had Poppin'.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Yeah, small companies .
That was a notebook company,like you know what I'm saying,
so he had he had quiet businesswith Karma Loop, with Kanye West
yeah.
So he does these little smallventures that I'm sure he done
peeled the dial off of this,peeled it and then gave it.
If he wasn't able to sell it,like you were saying, clip, it's

(38:47):
best for him to yo hold thisdown because I don't know.
I don't know when they comingfor me.
I know they coming, I justdon't know when you hold this
down.
You hold that down like itmakes sense to me for him to
have that foresight.
But I think when your teethfall out on TV during an
interview, it's hard for people.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
No.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
I'm just saying this is why a lot of people think
he's broke.
Because, it's hard for you tosay, yo, now I got money, and
then your joints fall out.
It's like, do you really Like?

Speaker 3 (39:19):
you know what I'm saying?
No, yeah, because the generalpublic perception is a rich man
wouldn't have his teeth fall now.
But you got to remember DaneDash is very high-level diabetic
, so that's going to happen.
But people that haven't reachedthis age yet to understand that

(39:39):
eventually all of our teeth isgoing to fall out.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
How old?

Speaker 3 (39:43):
is.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Dane.
Dash Dane is 57, to fall out.
How old is Dame Dash?
Dame is about 57, maybe 58.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
He's still so young man.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
He got so much accomplished, Jeez man.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
I think Dame is in his 50s.
I know that for a fact.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Because Hove should be still young, so as Sean said,
Hove has been playing thisAmerican game for a while.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
So Dame is 54 years old Right.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
He's a king businessman playing America for
a long time and he had manybusinesses right and you know,
let's not forget, I want thepeople to go after him, but I
know he had businesses withKanye and he's rich.
People broke not like ghettopeople, like us in the hood.
He has money.
People got to understand whensomebody claims bankruptcy
whatsoever, it doesn't mean thatyou're poor.

(40:29):
That means that you can't touchwhat I have.
That's it.
You can't touch that.
I'm filing bankruptcy becauseTrump did it numerous times.
You can't touch.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
What I have the thing is this is that, when it comes
to business, they're not seizingDave's property, they're not
seizing his bank accounts,they're seizing his LLCs.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Okay, a lot of times when you're dealing with the
type of money that Dame has seenover the years, the man's seen
over $100 million, easily Easilyseen over $100 million.
You hear it from Cam and themDame got so much bread, they've
got houses that we've, we thatthe the property is just

(41:09):
ridiculous.
Like and dame a clown, you,like, you can't afford this.
They said at one point dame wasspending money every day.
It wasn't like he wouldn't wearthe same outfit twice ever
that's the hall.
Yeah, that's just ridiculous.
But Dame is not.
I keep People be thinking thatDame is not Smart.

(41:31):
No, he's not Popping in hip hop, no more.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah right, he's not popping in hip hop culture.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
In hip hop mainstream culture.
Anymore, that don't stop mefrom getting bread.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Yo God bless you Out there.
If you think Dame.
Yo God bless you out there.
If you think Dame is a dummy,God bless you.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
God bless you.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
I pray for you.
If you think that about Dame, Ipray for you.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
He has Dash Motors right the oil company.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
He got Dash Motors nobody ever talks about.
He got a bunch of stuff,quietly it's like that wine,
Dusko.
He can't get most of his moneyfrom other ventures like
laundromats and in waffle housesand all this other stuff donuts
money.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah, cam ben, cam ben, side hustling like like you
say where you think he got thatside hustle mentality from
where you think who you think hegot that and who you think he
learned to not talk about noneof that stuff from.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
It's like Rick Ross, right, rick Ross owns 27
Wingstops.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yep I hate him.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I don't have to rap.
I do this because I want to youget to a certain level and
you've been stacking your brandand putting in other investments
.
We don't have to rap.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
You don't, you don't.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Now you see Ross with all the car cleaning kits and
the wheel and the rim cleaner.
You're right, he doesn't haveto.
And you're right Because ofpublic perception.
You know we look at Dame Dashas like broke to us.
I mean, I dame dash wasdefinitely, uh, I want to say a
mentor to me, influence to me,because what they did as far as

(43:15):
music, clothing to me they werethe real influencers when it
came to everything about theculture, when it was the real
culture hip hop, street fashion,entrepreneurship, individuality
.
Like they had every basecovered in Rockefeller, you know

(43:40):
, with and then when they.
Then when they added theChicago kid Kanye with and then
when they.
Then, when they added thechicago kid kanye, they took it
so far left that I don't eventhink they knew where they was
going when they signed him.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
You know that's what I was talking about.
Like as far as like, like, whenI was saying, like controller
things, right, I'm like you gotto look at the people who had
the clothing labels and then youhave to look at who they're
underneath.
That's what I was talking.
That's what I said like I'mtalking about who's?
No, no, no, I'm just.

(44:14):
I'm just reiterating what I'mtalking about.
I just want people tounderstand how deep the control
is.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
I just I want people to understand that part, because
that's the part that's going toso I get what you're saying
about control, but in the way Ilooked at it was when I look at
it like this you had the fourpeople who wasn't trying to be
controlled anymore RussellSimmons, jay-z Nas Puff I think

(44:49):
Russell Simmons was the one whoeverybody emulated as far as
entrepreneurship and basicallystepping out on their own.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
What I'm saying is who Russ got to go to to get
Russ got to go someplace.
To get Russ got to go someplaceto get money.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
This is what I'm talking about.
Russ went to the street.
Russ don't got to go.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
Wait, wait, wait, wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
You talking about once he went corporate.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
Exactly.
Russ don't got to go someplaceto get money.
Russ don't got partners Likelet's.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
He definitely has partners.
But what I'm saying, I'm notsaying you're wrong.
What I'm saying, what I saw, isthese four brothers who started
like, yes, they all havepartners, right.
But when it came to the otheravenues the fashion world, the
comedy, the liquors they look tome, they show that I don't want

(45:43):
.
I understand business.
Now, hope understands business.
You need these partners.
Russell understands business,he needs these partners.
What I'm saying is the controlaspect of it is like, okay, cool
, you want control, that's fine,how much control do you want?
And if you want like, okay,cool, you want control, that's
fine, how much control do youwant?
And if you want control, well,let me bring my people in,

(46:06):
because Russell brought in hisbrother.
Russell went to TV and he saidit I'm not talking about that
kind of control.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
I'm talking about control over the people that
listen and control over thepeople.
I'm going to control.
What you wear is what I'msaying.
What I mean is this you, you,you come up to a certain place
in music.
We're already using music tocontrol your people.
This is what we're doing right.
So now, what I'm saying is Ilike the way you do it.

(46:36):
Matter of fact, I like the wayyou do it so much I'm gonna cut
you in on the other part, right,because now, when we're doing
it, when we're when they'returning, a part of turning the
culture into the industry iscommercial hip-hop, is it not
when we start rapping about buythis, buy that, buy?

Speaker 3 (46:58):
the third.
That's what right right.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
So that's not the culture.
The culture is not us spendingmoney.
We made the culture because wewere trying to save money.
So the culture is not usspending the money to achieve a
certain look that's beendesigned for you, when, in hip
hop, you had to go search forwhat you wanted to wear.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
I got what he's saying.
It's a culmination of this.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
It's aism.
And the people who are givingyou the big checks to let you
move up, the people who aregiving you the money so you can
sign these artists, and so onand so forth, the people you
partnering up with.
Their interest lies incontrolling the folk.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
You know what I like, how you do that, yeah, I get
what you're saying, because DefJam is not Universal Universal
is the one that controlseverything.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Right, right and.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Universal is the one who give them.
And what does Universal?
And then just ride.
Just vibe with me for a second.
What does Universal doUniversal universally?
Yeah, they give them the check,but they really control the way
people ride.
Just vibe with me for a second.
What does universal douniversal universally?
Yeah, they give them the check,but they really control the way
people think.
They control what you see, theycontrol what you see on the
television they control whatyou're going to take in for

(48:10):
entertainment.
Huh, how many people nowadayslook at movies and say, yo, I
see truth, I see truism inmovies, small truism and a lot
of us think that they puttruisms in movies.
Universal is responsible forthat.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Columbia.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Pictures is responsible for that.
Viacom is responsible.
So when I'm talking aboutcontrol, that's what I mean, not
dumb dudes trying to beindividuals.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Shawnee.
I agree with what you said 100%and I understood what he was
saying with that aspect.
So you know what.
Get out of here with themhearts bro.
I understand what Shawnee.
I know what Shawnee and Look atthese dudes.
I know what Shawnee.
And Clip was what Shawnee andTrevor's saying Trevor's talking
about.

(48:56):
You know getting the money andbringing my brothers in.
That's cool.
You can bring your owncorporations in, but you still
got to make deals with thosepeople to say I'm going to allow
you to do that.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
I'm the gatekeeper.
When they turn you into aculture.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
To me there was only one artist who had control and
they killed that Two, not evenfor hip-hop, just in general.
Prince Michael Jackson, hey yoYo listen.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
You know, when MJ knew he was out of here.
Right, I'm going to tell you.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
MJ said when he put out this this is my last tour.
He said this is my last tour.
We didn't put up this.
This is my last tour.
He said this is my last one.
This is the last one.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
This is it?
I'm hanging with the Nation ofIslam.
They already trying to come andget me.
Yeah, yo.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
Another one too.
Yo, he did the hold on realquick.
He did the interview rightright with the people and he
told them yo, when I'm done, I'mgonna own 52 percent of sony.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
What he did was he bought the beatles catalog
catalog because he bought theircatalog and their publishing.
Sony wanted that publishing sobad that they were willing to
give him 50% of the music entiremusic industry's publishing for
that one Beatles catalog.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (50:49):
He put that on the fly too.
He put it on the fly.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
He didn't take his royalty money.
Mike didn't take his royalties.
He was like I can have thatroyalties.
He got all his bread fromtouring, so he took that tour
money that he stacked up.
He was getting millions uponmillions of shows.
So it was like I'm going totake this tour money and then
I'm going to what's it calledthe Beatle?

(51:17):
What's my man?
What's my man?
Paul McCartney.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Paul.
Mccartney, paul McCartney, paulMcCartney is the one who told
him about.
He's crazy.
Yo Hold on.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
He bought it off of him right after that
conversation.
He made the phone call rightafter the Yo.
What y'all worth oh what.
Hold on, Shorty.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
This is what he was in trouble After.
He did that.
It's just the audacity of himto say Tony Montola is the devil
, but this is it.
We hit the whole hand gesture.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
This is it.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
After that, when he hears stories with Nas and them
saying they all met Prince, alot of rappers, and they said I
could do a song with you.
He said do you own your masters?
They said no, we can't do asong.
My man went on an award showwith a symbol on his face.
They say, prince, you puttingout a new album.
He said I'm putting the albumout as a form of for me to know
it's Prince.
He did that album.
He did all his songs over Allthe songs he had out.

(52:09):
He did it over again over somedifferent tunes and sold.
So it's all about like you haveto outsmart these niggas when
they come at you with thesedeals.
But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
When you outsmart them they find ways to kill you.
Remember we talk about thesecorporations that pay for
doctors, they pay for cops, theypay for all of these people.
They pay for media.
They pay for everything totarnish you and make you look
crazy.
They tried to get Mike out ofhere with the predator.

(52:44):
The predator with kids.
Fbi did a 10-year investigationon this man and found zero
evidence of any pedophilia.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Now check this out.
You remember what are wetalking about.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Do y'all remember?

Speaker 1 (53:03):
the backstage movie and Dane was flipping on Kevin
Liles talking about you're aborder border.
Now just think about it.
I know in school one of thethings they taught about was
percentage and that to own abusiness or to be the majority
stake owner, you had to have 51%of the company to be the

(53:26):
determining factor and thedecision maker.
So, just if Michael Jacksonowned 52, who was?
He was smart enough to saylisten, I don't want just 51%,
you got to give me the extra 1%,the 52.
And that 1% made a whole lot ofdifference from them saying,

(53:52):
from them to even agree to sayyou got it.
Like, just think about just himsaying I want this extra
percent, but his catalog.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Mike's catalog in itself was worth a billion
dollars.
Just think about him saying Iwant this extra percent.
But here's the thing Hiscatalog, mike's catalog in
itself was worth a billiondollars.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Exactly.
You know what's the funny part,though?
The minute he said I want 52,and they said, yeah, they knew
they was going to kill him.
It was like, oh yeah, you canget 60% if you want, bro, yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
But before we move on .
we're about to move to the nextright and I'm going to make this
one last thing before we moveon.
When Jay tried to get title in2013, what happened?
Elevator situation gettingkicked by Solange right.
When title came up right,remember that Puff not agreeing
with what Puff did to crimes.
But when Puff said, told Cirocand them, yo, I put all the
cells in that Sean was saying Imade the culture look good by

(54:43):
promoting Ciroc.
Here's my new Darion drink,rick, whatever it's called.
All right, nigga, here's yoursex life out of here.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
Yeah, roll it up, here's your walking papers, papa
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
He'll put you on punishment real quick.
Yo yeah, so what was it?
It was Salaam versus who wasthat?

Speaker 2 (55:03):
tequila.
That what's the favorite Darion, whatever he had Peace Crip
Jesus.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Peace J-Pack.
George Clooney is the face ofit.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Casa Amigos.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Tequila Right he was.
They started promoting thatwhen Puff started doing all his
super winning and all they saidall right, cool, George Clooney
is going to be the face of thistequila and we're going to just
basically X you out.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
And then years later here, we go.
You think you're going to stopa billion dollar liquor brand?

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Yeah, You'll never make that.
You'll never make that moneyand you'll never make this money
in two lifetimes.
Like, let's be real Some ofthat money is old, like liquor
money, alcohol money.
That's old money, bro.
You'll never this power, this,not even money, scrap this power

(55:57):
.
It's not money, it's power.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
It's power, this is power.
They're not even right, right.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
This is foreign power , bro.
What are you talking about?
What you, what you?
So you put us on the map inamerica, bro.
This brand is gonna sell whenyou die, when we die, our kids
are pushing.
What are you talking about,like?
What is this short stop thatyou talking about?

Speaker 1 (56:21):
We never talking about liquor right Slaves
created, hooch which is liquorand somehow it got mixed up and
stolen, but they made hooch frompotato skins.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Yeah, but hooch and alcohol, though, like you're
making hooch, but that meansthat there was alcohol around.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
That was the first alcohol and we created it.
That was the first bootleggingsystem and somehow we don't have
control of the liquor company.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
We don't have control of nothing we created.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
I don't think that, guys, guys, guys.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Hold on Before we go any further, because we're
pressed for time.
What the fuck happened to theKnicks man?
Nothing.
Hold on Before we go anyfurther, because you know we're
pressed for time.
What the fuck?

Speaker 4 (57:02):
happened to the Knicks man?
Nothing, bro, like nothing.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
We just lost in the Eastern Conference.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Finals Nah, nah, nah, nah nah, hold on, hold on.
Let's not harp on the squad.
We did good this year.
Come on now.
Yo you know all the injuries wehad to deal with.
Yo, I'm talking about frompreseason.
We had a pretty decent benchput together, right, we would
have been able to have evenminute distribution this year we

(57:28):
would have but a lot of peoplegot injured in the preseason and
then we had to go right back toplaying like how we played last
year, that's all, and we didwell 50 wins, 50-plus.
Played last year, that's all,and we did well 50 wins, 50-plus
wins.
This year.
We just lost to a better team.
Yeah, we just lost to a betterteam, that's it.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
I don't think they lost.
I think the Knicks ran out ofgas because they could have won.
If they would have won at leasttwo of them beginning games in
the Garden, we would have beenin the finals.
And I'm not a Stone Cold NewYork Knicks fan, but I'm a New
Yorker and I really looked atthem and said y'all ran out of

(58:15):
gas because some of y'all justdidn't, Some of y'all gave up
and just didn't keep themomentum going, a lot of y'all
didn't have the Mamba mentality,the LeBron mentality when he
was, when he was 3-1 with GoldenState.
That's all but the Knicks.

(58:37):
Definitely after this summer,josh Hart playing 42 minutes, a
game bro 80s like 75.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Yo first is for.
Josh Hart is a true warrior bro.
He didn't sit out too manygames this year and he played
40-something minutes a game.
Yo, the top five people inminutes in the NBA this season,
it all went to the Knicks.
The all top five who played themost minutes through point

(59:06):
guard, through center, all wentto the Knicks.
But that's another thing.
Okay, this year we coming back,it's going to be no more Tom
Thibodeau I think we was talkingabout Mark Jackson.
I was liking that vibe.
I was really liking that vibe.
I was really liking that vibe.
Bring him home.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
I'm going to say this I personally feel Mark Jackson
needs to be a coach.
Nba needs to stop blackballinghim.
Make him a coach and let him gograb Rob Strickland as an
offensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
And blow New York back up, bring it back home and
let it flourish again.
Yo, you know what else I didn'tlike real quick.
I know we press, I know wepress people, but I'm going to
wrap this.
No, no, no, I just want to talkabout a few fights and then I'm
out of here.
I didn't like how, all of asudden, now pat poulsen and joey

(01:00:02):
badass and in in in busterrhymes and swiss beats, now
y'all want to make a new yorkknicks song when, when the
knicks was down, uh, uh, three,one.
Now y'all want to make a song.
Now y'all straight jacking.
Why y'all ain't make a songwhen we was in Detroit going

(01:00:23):
through it.
We needed it then.
Why you ain't make that song?
Why you ain't make the songwhen we was going through it
with Boston?

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Because you ain't believe in your city Before the
playoffs even started.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Exactly why you ain't when you knew we was going to
make the playoffs, why you ain'tmake the soon end.
You want to wait till we almostout of here.
Exactly, Pat.
Y'all want to wait till wealmost out of here and try to
squeeze every penny.
I ain't like that, Joe Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
I ain't like that at all yo.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
That was trash.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
I don't even remember Buster Brown Out of control.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
What up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
I don't like that I know, fat Joe.
You can always count on Fat Joe.
Jada Joe Button, cece Sabathia,which is a peck-out.
You can see that from a 50 cent.
I've yet to really see BustaRhymes Pat Pooh.

(01:01:19):
I don't ever see Joey Badassoutside of Raising Canaan.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
So I don't know he's unique.
Unique is chilling.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
When you started coming to the game.
No, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Joey Badass.
I thought come on, fam, you inQueens Raising Canaan, Get out
the garden, bust around.
He told them get out the garden, bust around, go back on tour.
You a slip, don't get thefucking outfit.
You know Swiss.
Every now and again I see himcome out, but the Stone Cold New

(01:01:57):
York fans are Fat Joe, jada,joe Budden, cece, sabathia, peck
Eyes.
50 Cent is definitely going to.
You know he got a seat there.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
He's going to pop out .
Yeah, he's going to pop out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Matter of fact, when Puff was Puff, he was in New
York.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
That's a fact.
Before, puff was a hot.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
Ayo, yo.
I was listening to the Punishertalk yo that interview is
hilarious yo.
It clarifies a lot of stuffthough, but it's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Why can't I ask that question, man, yo, yo, yo yo.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
So Saturday hey yo Yo Killer's gonna go down in
history, yo killer don't go downin history.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
He said tell me how the box was.
Was it good what?

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
Is that yo dump wallet at?
We're from 140 of B.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
What's the box called ?

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Did you hit it or not ?
Yo, killing it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
He asked about 50 to B mom.
I'm like why would he ask?
That Was Daphne.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Yo, yo, that's what I want you yo, kim is going that
this is why we have to preservethe culture, right, because you
got guys like kim.
Then if we don't preserve it,these kind kind of things will
get forgotten.
Yo, there's these moments ofgreatness.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
That's what we're talking about Before we check
out of here Hold on hold on.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Yeah, yeah, I still got fights to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Oh, you got fights.
Don't cut my sports segment.
I got fights to talk about.
Go ahead All right, so look.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
That's good Word up we was talking about last week.
We were talking about theRikishi and Sugar Nunez fight.
I was telling y'all be carefulabout taking Sugar Nunez on that
knockout.
Be careful on that right,because this kid got a chin.
This kid, he done fought acouple of folk.
I was originally going to takeRikishi and then I looked at the

(01:04:17):
weigh-in and I ain't like that.
He look weight drained.
As soon as he got off the scalehe went.
He drank some water.
I said, yeah, he had a toughcamp.
When I looked at, when I lookedat Sugar Nunez and I remember
the fight was in Japan and Istarted following Sugar on
Instagram.
He was in Japan like a month,like a month and a half ahead of

(01:04:40):
the fight, like gettingacclimated, getting ready,
training away from the city,doing his thing Made me change
my mind.
I took sugar on that and ofcourse he took the victory.
But Golden Boy Promotions had awonderful fight card.
I want to say Friday, wonderfulfight card.

(01:05:01):
I want to say friday, wonderfulfight card, wonderful,
wonderful prospects coming up.
Um, but it was a showcase forbecklamir mera, melo, melo
vicharitz I can't pronounce hisname and darius fogum.
You know I'm saying and um andyo in that.
I wish I could have got on air,because I would have told y'all
to take back Darius Fogelman.

(01:05:24):
He's a good boxer.
Don't get it twisted.
He just doesn't like to get hitand the level of competition
that he was used to fighting youmight like into a tomato can or
a punching bag with legs.
Beck, on the other hand, has atremendous amateur career and
he's had to overcome losses.

(01:05:45):
He got knocked out in the thirdround, came back and gave that
same dude a nine-round whooping.
So I'll be there, I'll be there, I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm
coming, I'm coming, I'm coming.
Baby, I'm coming.
Give me a second, it's thebabies.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Daddy duty.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Yeah, the babies man.
So, but this weekend, yo, thisweekend we got Keyshawn Davis,
the businessman, back home inVirginia Fighting De Los Santos,
and Keyshaw always puts on ashow when he goes home.

(01:06:28):
That's just what he does.
He puts on a wonderful showwhen he gets home.
The odds are pretty decent.
But don't go crazy and justtake, bro, just cause of that,
you better do your film study.
A lot of people took CalebPlant last week, last weekend,
and Caleb Plant got his asswhooped Like he got his ass

(01:06:49):
whooped bad.
So I just want to put this outthere.
Man, if you out and you doingyour thing, make sure you always
do your film study.
Do not just take names.
Do not just take names, do notjust take brands.
Make sure you are assured ofyour decision, man.
That's all I wanted to say.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Thank you, my brother , of course.
Yo, before we go, what's goingon with Suge Knight and Ray J
man, I'm getting tired of SugeKnight, suge Knight and Ray J,
ray J, the funniest yo, ray Jwith the gaygency.
You know what the what, youknow what Yo he?

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
said Suge Knight called him gay, said he was at
them Diddy parties doing thesame thing Diddy was doing,
right?
So, ray J, like man you'regoing to have me have beef with
the gaygency.
You know my gay friends don'treally respect that because I
ain't really gay and if theyfind that I was doing the same
thing as Diddy they're going tolook at me kind of crazy like
why you was doing that and ain'tinclude us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Ray J needs help bro.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Ray J is an entertainer.
People got to remember this.
He is an entertainer, but he isa gang member.
Don't get it twisted.
He's from the streets.
Yeah, don't get it twisted, rayJ is not from the streets.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
He's from the streets .

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
Ray J's parents are rich, bro, he is not from the
street bro, he is not from thestreet bro.
He's from the street bro.
He is not from the street bro.
He is not from the street bro.
He is somebody who could buyhis way into certain
affiliations.
You will never get me tobelieve that.
Randy's son is from the street,you will never get me to

(01:08:35):
believe that he's a Hollywoodblood.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Like Chris Brown.
He's a Hollywood blood LikeChris Brown.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
He's a Hollywood blood, like Chris Brown.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
You ask me he's a Hollywood blood because he went
Hollywood.
He's from college, he's aHollywood blood because he
bought his way in bro.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
He's been blood his whole life yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Always want the same Ray J that ran up on Fabulous
with the red hoodie Inside pool,outside pool, indoors, outdoors
it wasn't live.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
It wasn't live.
I'm not jacking that.
I'm not jacking it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Moe, to the E, to the F.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
Yeah, exactly Exactly bro, like that's what I be
trying to say it be script.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Like yo listen, listen, listen, listen, listen,
listen, listen, listen, listen,listen, listen listen listen,
things be scripted for certainpeople to get accepted in
certain ways.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
Do y'all remember when, um, what's, what's, what
was?
What was home girl, what washomeboy's wife named the white
rapper?
The white rapper girl that saidshe washed up on shore and she
was poor.
And now she, and then she madeherself this big rapper.
Come on, no, she had marriedSwaggy P.

(01:09:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
I'm sure you do.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
Yeah, yeah, remember that story, remember that she
washed up on the show.
That's what I'm trying to say.
You can't foo-foo.
One bizarro story and notfoo-foo the next one.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Listen, I'm casting LA St RayJ certified.
I'm just going to say keep itabove that money, hey yo.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Brandy's godmother is like Gladys Neat or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
It's that money dog Brandy and Ray.
J's cousins is Snoop and Daz.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
That money, that money dog.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
They've been dating family from day one.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
They got to do it.
I do not, but I don't believethat about him, bro.
I'm just trying to tell youthere's going to be other people
that I'd probably buy into it,Just not him.
But when you do have time tobang all the other artists, all
the other actors that was kidswho had time to bang we all seen
something happen to them.
Right now, to the day, most ofthem is locked up or they all

(01:10:48):
face all tatted Like they'reshowing the tail or they dead.
Like him, he's still movingaround.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
You know what Shoney sounds like.
Shoney sounds like the comments.
You never seen that video whenFloyd was talking to Soulja Boy.
He's like I've been knockingniggas out since, like April.
Floyd was like this.
Floyd was like I've beenknocking niggas out since like
seventh grade and, you know, hadthe shootout, and then I just

(01:11:18):
shot him.
I'm going to just say this Alot of people Floyd was looking
at his knuckles, and all thattoo.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
He looking at his fist.
He like A lot of authentic LAcats saying Ray J is official.
We look at him like a silly cat, but in reality they say he's
really official.
He's silly bro.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
He is silly.
I don't believe that they sayhe's official.
There's certain people that Iwould say, yeah, okay, he's not
one of the dogs.
What situation Would anybodyallow you to be in when you
would get to show you officialwhen you are the meal ticket?

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
He wasn't the meal ticket.
Brandy's the meal ticket no hewasn't All right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
But what I'm trying to say is he's the access to
Brandy, he's the meal ticket,he's the access to Brandy.
He's on TV too, and he.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Not a few albums, but he dropped music.
He was blooded in.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
That's what you heard .
He was blooded in.
It's not.
It's not.
It's not.
It's the same way.
It's that I'm not believing itfrom then is what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
It's the same way that Cannon was blooded, but
they don't ever talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Right, I heard about that out there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
It's up there.
I remember LA is a differentculture than us.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
These cats be born into.
They neighborhoods just all thetime.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
So that means that Brandy blood too.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
So what are you saying?
You're saying it's a familything right, nah, I don't
believe it, that's all.
I'm saying I don't jack that, Idon't believe it.
I've seen artists.
We've seen Wayne.
Wayne was Crip in the beginning, right?

(01:13:14):
No, but I'm just saying we'retalking about artists and
claiming.
But you know what?
You're right, that's different,that's totally different,
because that's the culture,you're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
That's totally different Now.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
So we're going to end it there Look, say hell, no,
ray J family, not Pau Ruiz.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Let's get it from San Diego.
The last thing I remember.
I don't want to get caught upin this politics, but when Wayne
and them were blood they gotstopped in Cali and 40 Glock and
Spider-Luke, I don't know theycouldn't get out of the car.
But that's another story.
We talk about that some othertime.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
I remember that too.
I remember that too, you knowwhat I'm saying.
But, like clip said, it'sdifferent because they from uh
uh new orleans and we talkingabout people from from the west
coast born into this you knowright.
So what clip is saying he'sright, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
It's totally different I mean, I look at ray
j as we, because we look at RayJ as a, because we look at Ray J
as a goof right, we all look athim like that.
But for some reason a lot ofcats in LA say he's certified.
I don't know, but I'm not fromthere, I'm just going by what
they're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Crip Jesus say he's ranked up because of his pops.
With that being said, mybrothers and my listeners and
viewers, we appreciate you guyscoming out.
These brothers rock.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
Shout out to Crip Jesus.
They just straightening thingsout bro.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
I can't, I'm just going to be quiet.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
But yeah, we out Just want to say peace and love.
Thank you guys for coming out.
Shout out to the people in thechat Crip, jesus, j-pay and
Jesse Green.
It's all love yo.
We out yo.
No, you need these damn partsyo.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
Yeah, he the only one with visual effects we got to
step it up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Yeah, we got love too .
We out, though Peace.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
All right, what, what , what why?

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