CLIFTON DENNEY - ON YOUR OWN OUTDOORS | Ep077 | Off The Clock with B Scott - Off The Clock with B Scott

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's 5 o'clock and your off clock will be as got
today with us.
We've got Clifton Denny with usfrom On your Own Outdoors and
we're going to talk aboutbaiting early season how to get
that shooter buck to come out inthe daylight.
We're going to talk about fatlines on maps breaking deer down
.
He's an expert deer hunter Iwould say one of the best there
is, so he's going to teach us alittle bit about bow hunting, a

(00:20):
little bit about what the deerare doing, and we're just gonna
try to learn as much as we can.
Before we get into it, though,make sure you leave a like.
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Hit the bell for notificationswell, let's get to what we're
talking about today we'retalking about deer hunting.
This weekend, bow hunting inArkansas season's coming.
Are you ready?

Speaker 4 (00:39):
I know you're pumped up, oh yeah absolutely.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I asked him earlier.
So you said, do you have a deerwing film?
He's like, yeah, I'm on thefilm.
So I mean I know what thatmeant.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, no, that's for sure a sign Like hey, you ain't
going there.
Like how much we got to pay youyou know?

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Hey, listen, you own a boat store.
You don't have to pay menothing.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
I can definitely understand what you're saying
yeah, I get your lingo for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, for sure.
So what do you got planned?
I know we'll cover what you gotlast season.
Yeah, because the last time wetalked to you was late September
, I believe.
Yep, right before Illinois.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
It was the fat line guy.
Oh yeah, teaching us about thefat lines really seriously.
You know, his mama actuallykilled a buck on a fat line.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
I told you if you kill him, like go back and this
is what I tell everybodywhenever they're like man, I
don't know if that's actuallygonna work.
I'm like listen pull up a topomap of everywhere that you've
ever killed a mature deer and Iguarantee you it's on a fat line
or right there close to itafter your podcast, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
We got in there and we started putting cameras out
and I'm telling you every fatline had a fucking camera and
every one of them that it was.
It actually worked out likeashley's never saddle hunted
before, she never bow huntedbefore and we put her up in a
tree on a fat line and shekilled her a buck.
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
It does work.
Hey, it's like math, you knowwhat I mean.
Like, if it happens, it's justlike going fishing.
You know what I mean.
If it happens once, it's kindof a fluke.
If it happens twice, maybe.
If it happens three times,there's something to it.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
There's something to it?
Yeah, absolutely like holy shit, this shit worked no it does
work.
And if y'all haven't seen that,y'all definitely go back and
watch that video, because it wassuper educational what to look
for when you're looking at a mapbreaking it down.
I mean, it's good stuff,seriously.
So if you haven't checked itout, definitely go back and
check it out.
So what do you got planned forthis season like what's your,
what's your?

Speaker 4 (02:35):
schedule.
Look like man wild, uh, so thisyear I went back.
So last year I don't want tosay I took a year off, but I
think I only hunted threedifferent states last year,
right?
Um, so this year, uh, doing,going out of my ram, I guess.
Uh, so I went to colorado nineyears ago on an elk hunt.
Yeah, uh, we just went to somepublic ground, never did it, and
that was before I startedhunting whitetail in public too.

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Um, but this year I'm goingback.
So week after next I'm going tocolorado for 10 days and then I
come back from there in october.
First week in october I'm gonnahit oklahoma.
The third week of october I'mdoing wisconsin.
The uh, second week of novemberI'm going back to iowa, drew
iowa again, and then, uh, secondweek of december I'm going to

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texas public ground and then, um, we've had some people, you
know, just like y'all the haterson the internet oh yeah you
can't kill a big deer in alabama.
So I'm going to alabama injanuary it's gonna be hard.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, I mean, what general area of alabama like
north, south, north yes,actually north is?

Speaker 4 (03:33):
good, I actually went there, uh, three years ago, um,
I won't name the, the publicland, but uh, I would have
killed two different ones.
I messed them up like they wereon film and it was.
It was pretty, but we had anice storm come in and I forgot
to knock the ice that had builtup on my um drop away.
So when I pulled, it goesthat's the worst.

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He turned inside out dude, hewas gone and actually a lot of
people hate me for that videobecause the very last day.
So I like to kill big deer.
Don't get me wrong, right, butat the end of the day I'm a
killer, right you're gonna killsomething I like.
I'm legal with something I liketo eat, like you know, what I
mean.
And so, uh, that was actuallythe first year I got invited to
the ata too, so like I didn'twant to go empty handed.
And the last day, the same buckthat I had messed up on uh

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comes in pushing the dough andthis year and a half old five
point like this big comesrunning in between him.
He's like, and I spin aroundand I just smoke this five point
.
He runs over like 30 yards anddies and I look at my camera and
I go at my dough again and likeeverybody was, like I can't
believe you come to alabama andshot this.
I was like I'd do it again.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
You know like people always got something to say.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
You know yeah, and when they say it like that you
can't come to alabama, kill abig, you gotta go back to
alabama.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
So that's kill a big deer, just to prove it A hundred
and ten percent and, like youknow, this is my fourth year, I
guess, traveling doing the filmthing, and probably 75% of the
places that I've been is becausesomebody on the internet saying
, hey, you can't kill one here,like my favorite.
One was Mississippi RiverBottoms.
Like our river bottoms are thesame right.
We have Mississippi and a guywas like you can do that on

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Arkansas side and I was like so?

Speaker 1 (05:03):
I went to that side and did it.
What's the difference?

Speaker 4 (05:05):
though it's literally not.
In all honesty, it's easier onthat side.
There's less public land deerhunting pressure, and then their
duck hunting is different too,right?
So if you go to Bottoms overhere, every blowhole's got a guy
with a duck call in it, right,and so you're kind of hunting
the duck hunters.
That's what I do.
But you go over to mississippiand they've got designated holes
, so like if you do yourhomework before you go, just

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like anywhere else I go, like Itry to do my homework, and so we
went.
It was a weekend, it was superbusy and um, and I realized,
like that there was at 4 30 inthe morning, there's like 200
trucks at this little houselooking thing.
Well they were all signing in togo to their holes, right, and
I'm like wait, they've got holes.
So I asked the game owners doyou have a map of that?
And he's like yeah, so I justpicked where I was gonna hunt

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based off of funnels based offof the holes that people were
racing to.
Wow, yeah, and it worked out.
I killed a, I don't know.
He's 134 inch, eight point orsomething like that.
So it was.
I mean, you know every, everyplace strategy for sure it is
man and and I think that that'sthe thing that people miss out
on is like there is no one sizefits all for sure.
Terrain and food obviouslygives you a little bit of an

(06:10):
advantage, but you've got tobreak apart every area that you
go to, because it's going to bedifferent and there's going to
be different things.
Like Alabama, the last time Iwas there, the area we were
hunting was very popular on likebird, like dove hunting, and so
we get there the first day wesaw all these trucks and I start
talking to people Like I'lltalk to locals Like number one.
I always ask them like hey,what's a good deer around here?

(06:32):
Because I don't also want toshow up and shoot a 110 the
first day and find out thatthere's 150s running everywhere.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Right.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
And if you find the right guy, usually he'll kind of
you know man.
I mean you know pope andyoung's pretty good deer how do
you know he's the right guy?
I don't just talking to him.
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie likenow that my youtube's got bigger
.
It's a lot easier becauseusually I'm not gonna say every
place I go to, but most of thempeople recognize me now and so
like they kind of know my gameright so I'm like, hey, man,
they're like wait, I've seen yousomewhere and I'm like I have a

(07:01):
youtube channel and they'relike, oh, I bought this stand
because you said it was a goodone, or whatever you know.
And then we'll get to kind ofclowning around and I'll usually
ask like, hey, what's a gooddeer?

Speaker 1 (07:08):
and you're gonna get a more straight answer.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah and and I think that, um,
even before it took off, likethe first time I went to alabama
, I had a pin marked uh on aspot.
I went in there that morningsaw like 140 inch deer and like
we went to alabama to kill adeer a day because you can do
that, yeah, yeah and so it waslike freezer filling mission.
And then the first hunt, I sawlike a 140s and my buddy saw

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150s and we were like all right,change gears you know, yeah,
something else coming here yeah,and there's a dude that still
follows my stuff, comments allthe time.
He was the dude I met in theparking lot and uh, that
afternoon and he was like whereare you going?
And I'm like where are yougoing?
Because this was right up againa river, like there's not a
whole bunch of public ground,right right.
And uh, I was like man, I'mgonna lie to you like there's a
knoll.
And he was like that's where mystand's at.

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And the first time, probablythe coolest experience I ever
had.
But I was like, no, I was like,hey, man, you're a local,
that's your spot, I'll bump overand find another one.
He was like, did you're herefor five days?
Go get it.
And I was like, all right, andI went in there and hunted you
know, hunted that spot that dayand then I ended up moving.
But you know, I don't, I don'tthink.
I think people are most of thetime, not duck hunting.
Duck hunting is different yeah,it's a whole different mindset

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when it when it comes to deerhunting, I think 75 of the
people that you're going to meetin the woods are going to be
generally decent people.
If you're a decent person, um,you know, I don't.
I don't think the uh trying tothink of how to say it like
number one duck hunters arepricks uh no, for sure that is a
valid I mean, I mean, I mean, Igrew up in hazen, I get it.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, there's a lot of duck hunters out there,
straight up assholes they aren't, you know, is the majority why?
Why is that honestly somethingto do with the water you know
like?

Speaker 4 (08:45):
in my opinion, even with duck hunting like so.
I grew up hunting red cat overon white river refuge.
I'm originally from brinkleyand duck hunters weren't
assholes in the 90s, I thinkit's when the ducks stop coming
down as heavy they get so nowit's like, it's like an argument
over every hole you know, whatI mean and I don't.
I feel like with deer hunting,if you're usually genuinely

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decent to the people, kind oflike game wardens, like I've had
some bad experience with gamewardens, some good experiences,
but usually if you start out onthe right foot and you let them
know like you're not going to bea prick, I really don't have
issues with people you know,because they get a lot of that,
you know what I mean likethey're geared up every
interaction they have.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
They're like this is going to go either one or two
ways.
Yep, it's going to be smooth orit's just going to be an
asshole.
And I'm going to, you know,deal with it, let's say, one of
the game wardens.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
If you're in a camouflage boat, you're getting
fucked with.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Oh yeah, I mean why is that?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
last weekend.
Yeah, last weekend they got us,we put the boat in the boat,
right?

Speaker 3 (09:48):
I mean, we just put in the water.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
He's checking us.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Oh yeah, that's what they do like we're legal.
No, basically bad, which isweird to me because monday I
probably had the best experience.
So I got this shirt from the uhnorthern show, um, and it's got
a picture of a black panther,uh, sasquatch, and a game warden
on the back and it says hidingin plain sight and I bought it.
And a game warden on the backand it says hiding in plain
sight and I bought it from agame warden.
So I thought it was hilarious,uh, but anyways we were.
We were fishing last monday onthe river, uh, pre-fishing for a

(10:13):
little tournament, and uh, anda game warden come up and I was
like ah, you know, start diggingfor my stuff.
And he's like hey guys, and hejust floated right by and I was
like that's the first time I'venever been checked.
I need to get me one of thesehigh dollar bass boats, because
he didn't even bother me.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, you float down the river in a camouflage boat.
You're getting checked.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
He's like he's missing something.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
I got stopped in the middle of a race and got rode a
ticket last weekend.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, last weekend.
I mean, I don't feel sorry foryou.
What was the ticket for?
I don't remember what?

Speaker 1 (10:40):
I don't remember.
What was it for no registration?
Oh yeah, yeah, that'll get you.
Well, damn it, you got to havethat.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
You know, the government's got to get their
piece.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Well, I thought it was 45 days.
You got to follow the rules.
I thought boats was the same ascars.
You get 45 days.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Cars are 60 now.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Well, boats are 30.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
You know that boats are actually 30 days.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
They did harass the living shit out of us.
That's not something I heardabout.
Yeah, it was bad.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
It was bad, bad, bad, bad, besides deer season coming
around.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
I'm afraid of that cold weather.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Absolutely, and I think this year, like last year
you know the velvet hunt, likethere were some good deer killed
I think this year's going to bestupid.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
You've got a cold front coming the day before.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
You've got this cold front coming in, You've got a
rain front moving in.
Saturday morning it's movingout, and then Monday it's moving
back in.
So you're in the break of twodifferent ones.
You're right on the edge of afull moon.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
So, for an example, we've had good shooter bucks on
camera, but we're not gettingthem on camera now, right, right
, right right.
They're all not, you know night, showing up at night.
So you think we should hunt thesame spot or have they shed
their?

Speaker 3 (11:48):
velvet yet no, no, no , you need to hunt at night get
the thermals out you need tochange up what you're doing,
right.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
So really, yeah, 110 percent.
I mean we ain't doing nothing,but but you're feeding the same
thing.
Okay.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Change up what you're doing and do it the day.
So what I like to do if I'mhunting private ground, maybe
I'm feeding regular corn and Iwon't name drop what I told you
earlier but just somethingthat's got a lot of smell right,
so I'll feed regular corn ifI'm hunting a piece of private,
just like this weekend.
That's what we've been doing.
Two weeks we've been runningregular corn.
Just like always, they start atdaylight, now they're all at
nighttime because they know it'sthere.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
So this is normal.
That's right, Yep 110%.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
They know it's normal , but the trick comes to you
right.
So it's just like hunting adeer during the rut.
If you're doing the same thingevery time, you're not going to
kill that deer.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Like deer, like so we're feeding these deer, we've
been feeding them.
What?
Now?
Three, four weeks?
Yeah, all right, so we've gotsome shooter bucks on camera
during the day.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, all of a sudden they just stopped yeah it's,
it's, and now they're all not,you know, nocturnal.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, it's deer, don't go nocturnal all right, I
don't care, I don't care wherethe camera's at no just when you
don't go nocturnal all right,only pictures we're getting is
at dark time put.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Put that on TikTok.
Everybody's going to argue.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yes, that would be a good argument on TikTok.
So what do we need to do?

Speaker 4 (13:08):
now.
So if it's on private andyou're feeding, I would change
the feed that I was using tosomething that has a very, very
strong smell the afternoonbefore I go, so I don't do it
like.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
I will go down the night before it's today, Friday
today.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
So we have to go today right before dark.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
All right, right before we gotta cut this podcast
right before dark holy shit,and I think that's another thing
that, like you know, talkingabout deer and feed piles, that
I think you know we're all fromthe south, right, so that I
think people mess up on.
It's like when do you what?
Not you, but when do mostpeople go bait?
When they get off work, right,right, yeah.
When are you trying to get adeer to come out in front of you
?
On Saturday and Sunday?

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They don't want to, rightbefore dark right so the same
time you'd be getting off work.
So these people are going in andthey're feeding at the same
time that they're hoping thesedeer come back.
So you're blowing them off ofyour feed and you're coming back
.
So, like whenever I used tohunt my lease in Grant County,
my only trick like I killed waybetter deer than everybody else
in my lease and my trick was Ibaited at 10 o'clock at night,

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because if I'm going to blowthem off, I want them to think
there's something sketchy goingon at night, not during the day.
And I think it's little stufflike that, just like changing
the food up.
So you got to think deer, thinkof corn, rice, bran, stuff like
that.
There's not a whole lot ofnutritional value to that stuff
that we're feeding these deer.
It's like candy.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I'm just texting my wife.
That makes total sense.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
He's texting her and he's like don't go, yet I'm
texting my wife.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Pull up in there at 10 o'clock.
Jam on the radio, run everydeer out.
I'm serious.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
We're running out of time.
That makes total sense.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
I'm serious have your wife go down there at night and
people don't think about it,and a lot of times they'll go
middle of the day.
You really are a fanatic.
Well, what are you doing in themiddle of the day?
90% of the people that are bigbuck killers.
When do they tell you to shootyour big bucks 10 to 2, right,
the mature deer up.
So if you're going in there andfeeding in the middle of the
day, it's no different, samething if there's a big deer

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coming in there, you're blowingthem out middle of the day.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
So it's a uh no, I mean, it makes perfect sense.
You know there's a lot ofpeople.
I guarantee you nobody isreally thinking about that you
know, everybody just rolls inthere as soon as they can,
that's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, you get off work on friday, you go down
there, you fill, fill up yourfeeders and then you go hunt it
for the weekend.
You know if you're a weekendwarrior kind of thing, so I
don't know, I think it's stufflike that.
But you know they think of itlike candy and so you go down
there and give them some newcandy, right?
So I'll go in like tonight ornot tonight, I'm sorry tomorrow
because I've got to worktomorrow, but for Sunday I'll go

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down tomorrow night and I'llthrow out what I use, which is
swamp chomp.
Um, I have better effect out ofswamp chomp with mature deer.
I don't know what it is, Idon't know what it isn't with
them, but like, when I pour outswamp chomp, every buck I've got
on my property's coming and soI'll bait with corn because it's
cheaper, yep.
And then when I get ready to gohunt no sir, I'm giving that
good stuff and usually, and likeI've got rolls of camera

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footage that when I dump swampchomp in the next 24 hours
during daylight, every maturedeer that I have shows up.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
That's crazy.
That's how it is.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
My hand will show up one time, one time during
daylight, and then they gonocturnal.
They didn't go nocturnal, theyjust know better.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
You, they go in one time check it out, that's
exactly right.
And then they're like okay, Ican come back to this.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Because you're fighting their stomach right and
at that point, like that firsttime, they're like mm.
That smells good, like they'recoming.
And they're going to come in.
They're going to be supersketchy.
You're going to have to makesure that your scent game is on
point.
Yeah, but they're nocturnal, no, they just know right.

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So you're fighting their tummy,but they know now, anytime I go
over there there's going to befeed.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
But when you put something new, they're trying to
race all these other bellies toget in there right, maybe you
need to put that new with thecorn at least the one time, and
then don't feed it no more untilright before.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
No, no, no, no, it doesn't work, doesn't work you
guys, you gotta hold that, yougotta hold.
It's like put out, put out theregular corn and like, uh, the
place that eric and I have, likewe've, we've done this a whole
bunch there.
Um, apple corn and swamp chompare like the key tickets.
Um, you have hogs?
No, not over there.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Well, that's why I don't think that's right.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yeah, no, 110, like when when I hunted in grant
county still like we fought withthe same thing.
But I'll tell you a way to getaround that too Broadcast your
corn.
So when we used to go downthere we would get on the full
with her.
My dad as a little bitty kid.
He would put an ice chest onthe front.
I'd sit next to it and justtake one handful at a time as
he's driving down the lane andthrow it out.
So hogs are gorgers, right?

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So if there's an acorn tree, ifthere was acorns everywhere
just scattered out, hogs don'treally mess with them.
But when you've got that onetree that's dropping like crazy,
they'll get in there and root.
They'll do the same thing withfeeders.
They'll do the same thing withpiled up feed.
But if you'll go through andbroadcast it like this deer are
grazers, hogs are- not so thedeer.

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We usually have our lanes wheredeer, should you move anyways?
And then as they're comingthrough, they see just that
little kernel here, littlekernel there, and they'll stop
and they'll kind of grazethrough and they're not near as
sketched out either, becauseit's not a pile.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah so which I mean I, I know firsthand that works
better because you know we'vedone that in the past and it
definitely we spread it all outjust like that, I mean, and we
don't use uh well, we use nutgrub.
Yeah, that's our, that would beour sweet that we would add
right before we go hunting.
That you're talking about and Imean it makes perfect sense
because, like to me, why would amature buck come out in daytime

(18:38):
?
Do you have a pile when hecould just come back later that
day in the nighttime?
Come he at it when he feelssafer well, that's what I'm
saying.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
The first time he's fighting that belly, so he's
coming right.
So the first time he smells ithe's coming over there.
But after that he knows thatpile's there.
I don't have to come backduring daylight.
Now I know that's abnormal,that candy's not supposed to be
here, but if I go in there atnight there's nobody there.
And part of that to me is youknow you're running your feed
during the day.
If you're in and out of theremaking adjustments on your

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stands or whatever, it's alwaysdeer in the day.
So those deer see you coming inand out, they hear you coming
in and out, so now they know ifthere's any danger of there's
deer in the day, whereas if yourotate on the deer and you start
doing that stuff at night,they're more preemptive to show
up during the day than they areat night makes perfect sense to

(19:27):
me.
you mean, we should be feeding,right?
Yeah that's when you should goin and fill your feeders.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, middle of middle of the night.
I always put the thought in myhead that our deer is gonna
hurry up and get there beforethe hogs can eat it does anybody
know that?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I mean nobody.
Nobody feeds at night.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
I do, I mean nobody, nobody, I guess nobody is
broadcasting that, for sure youdon't.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
You don't have me on here, because I don't kill deer.
I know that's what.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I'm saying it's kind of amazing, it's different.
So we should feed at night.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Yeah, well, that's what I was saying earlier.
If you're going down there, youget off work at what time
usually?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
4.30, 4.30.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
When you were still a working man?

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 3.30, 4.30.
When you were still a workingman?

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yeah, yeah yeah, so you get off at 4.30, and from
here you drive to your lease.
It's 5, 5.30 or whatever.
Well, what time did?

Speaker 1 (20:08):
your store open in the evenings.
It's prime time right.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
So you're going in if there was anything there.
So we all know that you canhave a camera on it.
You're not going to catch everydeer that moves through there
right deer on there or like your, does that like to bed within
50 yards your feed ball andstuff?
If you're going in there at 530 every day blowing these deer
out the whole month beforeseason, you think they're gonna
come out at 5 30 during season.
No, sir, because they knowthat's their danger time like

(20:33):
hey, I know I don't need to begoing over there at 5 30 makes
perfect sense perfect, lowered.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
So in these states we've been fucking up shockley
what the hell are you doing overthere?

Speaker 2 (20:44):
you know del dorado, I know shockley or magnolia,
whatever it's close enough,whatever.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Whatever you're doing over here, you're screwing up
well, you know now, I mean we,we hunt here.
You know quite a bit, but notnear as much we used to.
Yeah, you know a lot of placeswe go.
Now you can't bait so yeah,we're hunting a lot of fat lines
, natural trails, you know,scrapes, scrapes, whatever you
know, and to me it's just likebaiting.
Uh, we have found it very hardto kill your mature deer on bait

(21:13):
, even when we're hunting here.
It's because a lot of timeswhen we do kill mature deer here
, we're in between themsomewhere.
We're either in between thebedding or we're somewhere in
between.
It's almost like the closer aseason gets, when they start
breaking apart, the less likelyyou have to actually catch a
mature buck coming to the bait,especially with an automatic

(21:35):
feeder well, with with that, butI think like uh, not, not
argumentative right but, devil'sadvocate

Speaker 4 (21:42):
like, put as much thought into how you bait is how
you hunt a deer during the rut,right, and you'll be way more
successful.
Like, uh, the, I killed a bigeight point last year.
He's real wide deer and I didhim doing the exact same thing.
I'm telling y'all like thevideos on there.
But me and my wife went downthere the afternoon before.
It's all the way in, marianadrove two and a half hours down.
I dumped the chomp to him theday before, went down there the

(22:05):
next afternoon and shot the deerthat we had had on camera and
he's the most mature deer we had.
He's six and a half year olddeer, um, but that one change up
is what got him, yeah you know,we had pictures of him.
Yeah, we had pictures of him,but it's all nighttime.
Everyone we might have a doehere or there during the day,
but it was all nighttime and sowe drove down the night before,
put it out, drove back home,went the next morning, didn't

(22:26):
see anything the next morning.
I think that that deer wasprimarily moving in the
afternoons, because when we'dhave him on camera it's an hour
after dark, two hours after dark, you know.
So I thought that he would bebedding close there in the
afternoons and so I went in.
I don't know, it was like oneo'clock in the afternoon or
something.
Remember I got in the standlike it was early and it was
first week of october, so it washot, but uh, got in there and
like right at dark he come in.

(22:48):
You know the does came in first15 minutes before dark and then
here he came.
I shot him at like 37 yards.
It's awesome when it works outlike that.
You know it is, and I thinkthat that people you have to put
work into whichever way thatyou're doing it, and that's why
I hate it whenever dudes arelike oh, you know, I'll post a
video, like texas last year,like we killed that 152 inch

(23:09):
deer and, uh, he was an eightand a half year old deer.
Cool story about that one isusually whenever I kill a big
deer out of state, I get a lotof hate emails.
Really, I can imagine that, bro, I got 15 different dudes that
messaged me just asking me forpictures of the deer dead Before
I even posted the video.
Why they thought you no they hadbeen hunting there was like 15
dudes down in this part of Texasthat was hunting that mature

(23:31):
deer.
It turned out like we took itto a taxidermist there to have
him cape because, in case youdon't know, it's illegal to
cross state lines without capingout the head.
I found that out like sevenyears ago oh, really, you found
out the hard way and it's 899dollars per deer.
So if you kill two of them itgets expensive quick but uh, I
can only imagine yeah, but butwith that deer, uh, those dudes

(23:52):
were super cool and they,they're like how did you kill
him?
And I swear to God, I killedhim with the chomp.
I had been hunting him.
I had him daylight the firstday and you can go watch the
video.
It's a play-by-play.
I saw him during daylight thefirst day.
I did not see him in daylightthe next day.
I went over in the middle ofthe day.
I dumped out a quarter of a bagof ch, I put up some sticks and
I sent my buddy Philip overthere.
I was like you'll kill thatdeer this afternoon and he

(24:14):
killed him that afternoon.
Killed him at like 430.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Texas heart shot right in the butthole.
That's crazy.
Right in the butthole.
He didn't mean to.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
So it was also his first time ever filming and like
I had him just rigged up withlike literally one of these and
like his phone's from here localbut biggest deer he'd ever
killed was like a 120-inch deerand he'd never even seen a 150.
And I'm like, well, you goingto today.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Especially on a Texas frame Bro dude, he looked 170.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yeah, Because the deer was 140 pounds soaking wet,
with a pocket full of chainsand so anyways, what was painful
about that deer is that I hadyeah, that's him there, wow.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Just absolute mammoth .
I like how?
His G3, well, I guess it'd beG4s, yeah, his G4s.
The way they curl, yeah, theway they curl up.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
So if this picture is bad of him, but his whole rack
goes like up, it's like itstarts at his eyebrows and then
just kind of curves up, makeslike a heart shape.
Yeah, it's all wiggly Dude.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
he looks so big in the video like just I can only
imagine you know those texasdeer when they're on the hoof,
that was dumb they look crazybig yeah, well, and I walk up
there I've got.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
I've got buddies in texas, uh, because I've killed
some really good deer on publicland down in texas too.
But I've got buddies down thereand, like every year, I'm
getting pictures of deer hereand uh, and they'll send me a
picture.
I'm like, god, you got a 180.
And then I'm like, oh no, no,no, he's 145 like, yeah, it's
something to do about texas deer.
They're so small the horns, butI'm gonna tell you like if you
start hunting up north, it'sjust the opposite yeah it is,

(25:44):
you know, in iowa.
I killed a deer year before lastand like it's on film too on my
channel.
But I killed a deer there and,like on the camera, like I
turned around I called eric andI was like I just could have
broken 125 and he's 148 inch 13point yeah yeah, but like when I
shot him at 20 yards, I waslike, oh, he's all broke up and
he wasn't broke up at all and hewas like 21 inches wide and I

(26:04):
was like what happened?
But the deer is like 300 poundshuge bodies.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
That's a nice bodies.
Yeah, yeah, you know, we gotbashed for uh dad's 158 last
year.
Yeah, yeah, it was 158?
.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
It was 158,.
Yeah, and it's the same thing,man.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
It's a 300-pound deer , you know.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, they roasted me .
It bruised their body.
They roasted me.
They're like that's a 130.
Okay, If you're lucky and theywere putting pictures up of a
real 158 or 160.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
I'm like dude.
I swear to God putting up.
They're like, they're just widedeer they're.
They won't even be very talland they're not very thick, but
they're just wide.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, this is a.
This is a true one.
This would, uh, yeah, my dearbig, this one, 30 yeah, he was
really thick and he was reallytall and had times going
everywhere and uh, it's 158.
They're like he liar, he liar,such a liar.
I'm like I have no reason tolie.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Like this is ridiculous.
You know, 90 of those people onthere have never killed one.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
If they've if they've killed one, it's been one oh
yeah, and you'll see the peoplein the comments too that are
like no, that's that checks out,that's a 158 no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
The guys that uh uh sent me a message like dude,
that's a, that's a legit deeryeah, those guys killed some big
deer, right, those guys also.
But the same guy talking shiton the internet.
Yeah, it's never deer like that.
And they're the first ones tosay, hey, that's bullshit, I'll
post a picture.
They'll tag random people.
Hey, post your deer, orwhatever.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
That's exactly right.
I'm like what the fuck Chainreaction?
Right Shit talking.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Dude, I love it.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Like what the hell do y'all do?
I mean, what are y'all doing it?
It's like this is ridiculous.
That's exactly what they were.
Yeah, they're keyboard warriors.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Yeah, they used to bother me and now I just get a
kick out of it.
Like sometimes, like you know,just post, like you know, that
Texas deer or whatever, like Ishould have posted like 180.
That's like that deer.
That's a 132-inch eight-point,doesn't look like it?
Yeah, but he is deer, you know,it's an east arkansas deer.
He's a big, um, super maturedeer.
That deer was funny because Ishot.

(27:55):
That's the first deer actually,that uh, I shot with a rifle
since my son was born, since Ikilled my first pope and young,
yeah, and uh, and I had thatdeer when I say pegged, like
knew I could kill him, but Iwoke up christmas, uh, christmas
afternoon after my big bellynap you know what I mean?
oh yeah, oh yeah and I waspuking up a storm, I was sick,
and so I had one day to hunt andI called eric and I was like

(28:18):
getting the seven mag out, andhe was like what?
And I was like yeah, so, um, we, we had this like a levee and
there's like a little ditchbehind it and I was like we'll
just go lay on the levee becauseif I have to puke I'll just
puke in the creek yeah andthat's exactly what we did.
I puked like three times thatafternoon, but what was awesome
about is the deer comes out orwhatever.
And uh, deer start coming outin the field and eric's like is
your gun on?
And I'm like I don't know.

(28:39):
I ain't shot in eight years andI was like, I was like no I,
literally I was like turn thecamera on and he's like why?
I was like I'm gonna shoot thatdoe.
So there's a doe at like 90yards.
I put it dead on her shoulder.
It's like you know she folds upand I was like gun's good, all
right now we're ready.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
I shot that deer.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Dude, you have to watch the video, because I shot
that deer three times with a 7mag.
Wow, and thought that I missedhim the first two times.
First shot was at like 100.
Second shot was at like 260.
And the last shot was at 380.
But I shoot him up there close.
He takes off running, he stops,I bolt one and eric's like I'm
pretty sure you hit him.
I'm like I don't know.
It's like it never fails youknow, he takes off running again

(29:17):
and I'm like what you know?
Seven mag ballistic tip, likethis thing's hot.
And the last time I shoot, well, he falls out of my scope, I
lose him.
I'm like where'd he go?
And eric's just belly laughing.
He's like he ain't go nowhere,you know.
And and then whenever I got upthere, like they were all within
a spot about this big kind ofhigh right behind the shoulder
and like it was a seven mag, solike from here to here there was

(29:37):
nothing good like you know, butoh yeah, that was pretty wild
yeah it's cool.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
You know something about bow hunting.
You know it's like over riflehunting.
It's like it's cool killing abig deer with a rifle, but like
if you have a chance to kill abig deer with a bow there's
nothing beat it it it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
But like I don't know , like I've been bow hunting
exclusively for eight years now,um, and like you know my little
claim to fame, whatever, Ikilled 23 right youngs in the
last eight years.
But, um, you know, killing thatdeer with that rifle was a
blast it was just because Ihaven't.
I haven't done it in so long.
And was it easier?

(30:16):
Yeah, probably.
It was because I didn't have toworry about moving or whatever.
I'm laying on the side of thelevee hanging out with my buddy
puking in a ditch because I'msick and still killed a mature
deer.
Could I have done that out of atree with a bow?
No, but it was still for whatit was.
It was a blast, you know, butit was still for what it was.
It gave us a blast.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, it was a good time.
No, it is, and it's stillpretty tough, though.
It is a raffle, you know it is.
I mean a lot of guys get shookup and you know you still got to
sell the crosshairs.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
You still got to make a shot.
You know that one right.
There is what dreams are made.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
So what y'all can't see is they just pulled up a
deer that is probably one of mydream deer, and so I always
wanted to kill just a bigtypical 10-point.
I've been lucky enough.
I've got quite a few good deeron the wall.
This is the only one that'sever broke 160.
It was 162, depending on howyou measure one of my other ones

(31:10):
, but he's a double main beam,so it can go either way, I got
you.
But this deer was super cool, um, he uh, it was actually kansas
public ground and he's just abig, straight lace, typical 10,
pretty symmetrical.
His g2s are a little off, um,and his main beams are just a
little different, uh.
But other than that, like hewas, he was pretty symmetrical
and and what's funny about thisdeer is, uh, I'd hunted with a

(31:33):
camera guy for like seven daysand it was peeing rain, just
pissing rain, the first week ofNovember last year up north, and
so I got to hunt three days outof the eight I was there.
I left and I told the cameramanit was his fault.
He's like no, it wasn't.
And then I killed that deerlike two hours back in the stand
the next day.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
That's funny how that works out.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
No, it was.
And uh, it's funny how thatworks out.
No, it was.
And, dude, if you ever get achance, anybody that's listening
to this like, um, you know, Ialways say every time that I
tell anybody and they're likeare you just lucky you get to
travel, like, make yourselfdiverse, go across your state,
go to a different wma you're notused to hunting, teach yourself
before you go out of state.
But if you ever get to go upnorth iowa, illinois, kansas,

(32:12):
northern missouri you want totalk about fun or South Texas
same thing.
Those deer do what the booktells you deer should do.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
So, like that deer, that's there, I get it.
No, dude, I saw two does goacross and then right behind
them I don't know, probably 15minutes later, was this guy and
he was just kind of coldtrailing and I literally just
bumped a horn together and heturned on a dime coming that way
you know, grunted twice oh dude, like I pinned up literally

(32:41):
first time, pulled back, thoughtI was gonna shoot him at 70 and
like I was just like and heturned and walked up to 31 yards
.
I was like what he was?
Quarter and two.
Everybody hates that shot.
It's super deadly if youpractice enough oh yeah um.
They ran like 80 yards and dida front flip that's a good
looking deer out there.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
You know, a big typical 10 is just I think, I
think anybody beautiful, I thinkanybody that hasn't traveled up
north or down south, they needto do that absolutely because
you're right, 100 right, the rutis full, yep I mean it's a real
deal.
You actually see deer gruntingand chasing does I mean, it

(33:18):
gives you the whole experience.
Yep, and you know, huntingarkansas and these, these pines
and shit you know what'sterrible is.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
You know how to get it that way down here.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
How's that?

Speaker 4 (33:29):
people got to start shooting does.
Yeah, you got to start shootingthose people, people don't want
to shoot, does no, absolutelymy dad had a stand there in
grant county uh on our huntingclub we grew up on we called it
the main 80 and the first threeyears we were there he killed a
what we considered a giant backthen, right 120 inch to year.
Yeah, three years in a row.
Well, one of the rules on dad'sstand was he wasn't allowed to

(33:50):
shoot a doe.
After the third year you veryrarely even seen a mature buck
off of it and if you did, he wasbecause there's a doe behind
every pine tree yeah, you don'thave to go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
You're right.
You're right, you're 100 right.
Nobody wants you.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
That's the one I told you I was gonna kill.
So if you go back and you guyscan't see this, this is not a
giant deer because, just soy'all know, I got my buck kicked
in illinois.
Okay, it happens so I went, ifyou guys remember that's a hard
smile too.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
I was ready to go home.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
That's kind of a weird smile a little bit.
Yeah, I was ready to go home.
Tyne's doing something weirdtoo.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
But so if y'all remember I had picked a spot on
a map, I'm like, I'm going there, and then there was one over by
the river and I was like I'mgoing there next.
When I got there they hadn'tcut the corn.
Let me tell you guys, he justsaid go up north, go up north,
but wait until they cut thatdamn corn.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
Yeah, no, kidding dude.
The first place I could heardeer, the first place that I'd
showed y'all, I could hear themevery afternoon, like walking
through out of the ground, theyjust live in it and um, and you
know, the other thing I said onthat before is like I'll hunt a
track, and so I just startedwalking edges of cornfields and
I found a big track, and so itwas the only big track I had

(35:03):
seen, you know, in probablyseven miles of walking, and I
was like I'm gonna sit here.
And I sat there that afternoonand I had found a spot where,
basically, they were coming intothe wood line to get water and
it was just like a little15-yard little gaggle that they
were making in there and I wassitting right on top of him.
He walked out from like me toyou, yeah, and I was like
shaking.
You know he's a 110-inch deerand I was about to fall out of

(35:25):
the tree like he was a 170.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
But that's the good part about deer hunting.
Yeah, that's what it's allabout.
I mean, people online will hateon that shit, but they're not
there.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, no, 110%.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
They didn't walk the seven miles, they didn't you
know, you walk seven miles, youfind a deer track, you kill a
decent deer.
That's a trophy, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
And a lot of people a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
You know they'll see that picture and they'll judge
you, but they didn't walk theseven miles.
That, but they didn't walk theseven miles.
That's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
But they're on the couch eating chips and judging
you and, I think, a lot of thosepeople they don't know.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Cheetos playing with herself?
Yeah, they don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
You know they don't know the hard work.
I mean.
You walk seven miles, kill 110inch deer.
Fuck, put that in the book.
I like it.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
That's right.
Expectations of what makes themhappy.
Yeah, like, yeah, I've got allthese pope and youngs.
Like, if you come to my house,I've got 22 wall mounts.
Yeah, like, it looks great.
However, I don't go to kill apope and young, I go to kill a
deer.
Like I just like the deer huntso you go to experience it,
that's exactly right and, likeyou know, the way that I do it
is give myself seven days, so Igo somewhere seven days.

(36:30):
So like, hey bro, I've gotseven days, I've never.
That's that deer from earlier.
If you notice, it's that samefirst quarter and two shot.
But that was that.
Was that chomp deer.
I was telling y'all to try thatway, but, um, that was actually
cool man.
My nephew was born that day, soI call it the hudson buck my
sister had had her.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
That's pretty cool baby yeah man, I love deer
hunting.
Man, I I love deer huntingbecause you you can pick an
animal.
You could, you could hunt it.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, you can go after him.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
He'll beat you.
That's right.
Hopefully you might can beathim.
But you know it's all a game.
You know you got to payattention to every little detail
.
It's just so cool to get outthere.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
And that's the plus side, like I said earlier about
you don't necessarily have to goout of state, just go somewhere
different Drive 45 minutes tothe next place and we're spoiled
.
In case you don't realize, inArkansas you think we're spoiled
Dude for a person trying tolearn how to hunt just in
general, Arkansas is spoiled.
We've got mountains.
We've got rolling hills.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Oh, you're talking about as a whole Different
terrain as a whole.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, small area.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
You can drive three hours any direction and find
different terrain to teachyourself.
Yeah.
So, like, whenever I go out ofstate like you know a lot of
dudes whenever I go to theseshows, they're like, oh my god,
dude, you're so good at this.
I'm like no dude.
Like I just didn't have achoice when I was growing up.
Like, let's do, if I was goingto go over here and hunt, I'm
gonna have to figure out how tohunt the river bottoms, or
you're right, you're right youknow, and it's the same thing
with turkeys, like I swear, youcan kill a turkey in Arkansas.
You can kill a turkey anywhere.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Well, yeah, you know, in Dallas County we got a bunch
of pine trees.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
You know, it's a little tough, it's a little
tough, but then again.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
it's also easier in a way, Because once you figure
out you know, how it's easier.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
What I'm saying is, though I want to know how it's
easier.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
There's a lot.
Pines are tall.
It's nothing but pine needleson the bottom.
They're dead yeah, so you'reable to narrow down right there.
You got these pine thickets.
You're like, okay, well,there's definitely deer bedding
in there.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
And then, well, I guess I meanyou can rule out a lot of the
woods in our area withoutwalking out in the woods once
you know kind of where they'reat.
That's right, but like lookingat it from the outside, in no

(38:30):
yeah the way I look at the sameterrain.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
I look at a bunch of pine trees, a bunch of pine
thicket.
I don't know where the deer isbedded down.
You know, I don't know.
Put a drone in there and findthem that's a new thing is that
illegal.
It's tough, for me it's tough,but you got a little honey hole,
though what you talking about.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
You got a little honey hole over there where you
kill good deer every year, butit seems like, though, you got a
little honey hole over therewhere you kill good deer every
year, but you had to find it,though it seems like at one
point you gotta you had to havefound it, but to know that I'm
just gonna I'm just gonna stickwith the fat lines.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Well, there's a fat line, it'll work.
Yeah, it does.
It does work 110, I mean.
I mean, uh, I remember we did apodcast earlier a lot of people
talking about the fat lines andshit.
It does work, it does it does.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
And the thing about it is like now, when I go
anywhere I go, if I'm looking atdeer hunting or whatever I mean
.
I look at fat lines, like I'mdropping dots on fat lines.
I'm like, okay, the trees turnfrom this to this here and
there's a fat line.
I'm looking at it, that'sexactly right I'm at.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
It's amazing too, because every time we went to
this new property we looked atall the fat lines and shit we're
like okay, now he said there'sa fat line right here.
All right, there's a fat line.
I don't know why it's a fatline, but I'm putting the camera
here, yeah, and it's crazy,because I guess the fat line is
a flat spot.
It is.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
You'll get a lot of dudes that argue yeah, it's just
a marking line, da-da-da, andI'm not saying that.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
That's not why it's made on a top line.
That is total bullshit, man,because it actually works.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
But 90% of the time, if you go to a fat line, it will
be one of the flatter surfaceson the rich side.
It's not bulletproof.
I got it Like for the dudesthat want to hate.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
But it is.
They can hate all they want Ifyou really want to test fat
lines out in your lease whereveryou're at if there's a dirt
road that goes anywhere.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
put a camera right there on the dirt road and watch
what crosses.
That's where it crosses, I toldyou all.
I don't give a shit what theysay.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
There'll be a scrape on there too.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Look, I told you all.
I figured this out Legitimately, figured this out, when we used
to run deer dogs.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, dude, it's straight up there I don't give
shit what the haters say.
Y'all good, yeah, y'all don'twant to hunt.
That line's fine, like yeah,just don't kill deer you don't
want for us, you don't, youdon't want to listen to it.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
That's fine.
Don't do it.
Who gives a shit?
But I'm telling you, yeah, weput the cameras on the dirt
roads, on fat lines, just to seeif your theory was correct.
And my wife killed a buck.
I was like what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Well, it worked.
It actually worked, and you'llfind a lot of like scrapes and
stuff there too, Not only that,check this out.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
So she kills a deer on the fat line on the other
side of the property.
I'm like, okay, well, that shitworked okay.
So we went on the other side.
You got a big deer on camera.
We call it the General.
We ain't killed him yet.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
Oh, y'all named him.
That's cute, yeah, hey, hey,hey.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Because it's the biggest deer we got.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
It's a General man.
It's not even the biggest deerby a little bit.
It's the biggest deer by.
I can't believe he's talkingshit.
It's the biggest deer by damnnear double.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
All deer, huge hashtag, drop a pin, dude.
Yeah, after the podcast we'redefinitely gonna show you the
deer, but so so obviously itworked right, yeah.
So we went on the other side ofthe property where, uh, we got
camera.
You know, b scott got thegeneral on camera, daryl got the
deer on camera.
I said, well, shit, I won't siton this road, put a blind up,
blind up, and I had a gun at thetime.
I said I'll just see if hecomes out of there by the road.

(41:58):
That son of a bitch walked outon the road.
I wasn't there, of course, Iwas working, but he did no
reason.
Crossed the fat line.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
They're on them, fat lines.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
If y'all missed that by, the does work.
If you look at a topo map andyou're trying to break apart an
area, as you go down inelevation, there will be a
fatter line on that topo line.
You're on out of those topolines and that's what we're
talking about when we talk aboutthe fat line.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Uh, for the ones that didn't catch the first podcast,
but yeah, it's the firstpodcast.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Go back, go back definitely go and even if you
and it does work and you haven'tfigured it out yet, so like the
whole puzzle.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
Pull up a map where you want to go zoom out.
Turn leaf on imagery right soyou can see the leaves.
You can see the foliage.
Look at the multiple colors.
Where you see multiple colors,guess what that usually is.
It's like a buffet to them.
You have white oaks, red oaksand oaks.
Zoom in on that.
Turn on the topo.
Look for the fat line closestto that.
Go kill that deer.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, I mean dude, it's almost like that Shocker?

Speaker 2 (42:58):
you don't know about this.
No, I don't.
You didn't watch the podcast.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Uh-uh, I don't guess, I've seen that one.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Well, gosh, damn it.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
You should watch the podcast that's his homework.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Ashley killed a deer last year on a fat line.
Okay, Then we moved the camerato a random fat line across the
dirt road and the biggest deeron our lease crossed a fat line.
Fat lines are legit.
You know what we're talkingabout.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Fat lines.
Yeah, I do.
On Tobogon.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Fat lines is where you want to hunt.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
I'm going to go home and look at all my land layout.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
If you don't fuck that up.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
I swear to god, what you do is go back.
I don't know what kind of deerkiller you are, but if you've
killed some mature deer, go back, turn on the topo map and look
where those deer were and thenit's like fat line.
Oh, I thought that was thepicture of the deer.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (43:51):
You see this right here.
Let me show the camera.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
Hey, put it on here, david, you got it there you go,
see that point over here on theeast side of his map, right
there, yeah, right on the fatline.
You see that fat line.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
That's where I got my cameras.
If you see all of our cameras,they're all on fat lines.
It works, our cameras they'reall on fat lines.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
It works, messed around and found out.
Yeah, it's, it's crazy, man,see these fat lines right here.
If you start hunting that way,just go go to uh like aaron's
and get you a new uh freezer atwhitney stands.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Gotta be a fat yeah, I see all these, all these
cameras we got set up are on fatlines, man, and it is insane,
dude.
Uh, so, so we find a peachpoint in between two fat lines
and that's where we put a cameraand boom, there they are, and
what's crazy about it?
It's like there's only like twoor three spots of the whole
property that we get maturebucks.
Yeah, that's it.
Yeah, the rest of us like deadwater.

(44:44):
Yeah, like when you're fishing.
Oh yeah, it's all dead water.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
It's the same way here yeah, most time for me it's
always dead water.
Yeah, always dead water.
I'm just a bad fisherman.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, we go bass fishing and there's only like
fucking 30 yards, you catch fishhow do you turn the topo on?

Speaker 3 (44:59):
oh my god, bottom bottom right.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Are you on onyx?
Yeah, he's on bottom right,click on it and then hit the.
Uh, what is it?
Dual, whatever it is therebottom right where it says
tracker.
No, I'll spin it around herethe episode by the way, yeah,
see where it says 2D.
Yeah, click that.
Now go to topo.
It'll say like hybrid, hybrid,click on the hybrid one, that'll

(45:24):
leave your foliage and give youthe topo.
All right, see the fat linesthere.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Zoom out a little bit .
All right, see the fat linesthere.
Zoom out a little bit.
You have a skinny line and afat line.
Yeah, that fat line.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
that is exactly where Whitney's stand is All right
that's.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
I don't know, Ka-chow .
I don't know why this shitworks, man, but it's legit.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
She's in a good spot and the episode we're referring
to is 41.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
That's where my stand is right here, and that fat
line goes this way and turns andgoes the other damn way.
I ain't got a fat line overthere, I'm moving that son of a
bitch.
You ain't seen no damn deereither have you.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
No big bucks, buddy Rut and deer.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah well, rut and deer is a little different.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
It's right there, it's a crab shoot whenever
you've got rut going on.
This shit really works, man.
The episode that we're talkingabout, where he explained
thoroughly the explainthoroughly.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
I have a stand over here, but I never hunt there.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
The topo lines is episode 41.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
And a lot of you guys might think this is bullshit,
but let me tell you something.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
But just pull up your map.
That's what those guys think.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
I mean, if you go back to the episode, watch it,
then what really happened to uslast year?
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
And if you've ever killed a deer, a big buck on a
top of the line, drop a.
Drop a photo in the commentslet us see that, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Look at that.
What yep there it is right.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
There, I got a bat line that circles my house so
you know what's funny?

Speaker 1 (46:42):
the house all right, so the house is right there, the
house that I just bought.
One really good deciding factoron buying it was there's
actually two different fat linesthat run straight and I swear,
I swear, you can ask anybody.
There's two fat lines that comeup on both sides of it and I
was like I'm buying it, I wishit.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
I wish that I would have put, uh, my cameras out a
couple weeks ago.
If I come back, y'all remind melike three weeks out, doesn't
even matter what time of theyear it is so I can set up my
two cameras because I love tomess with people about my
property.
So my property is 21 acres andeverybody thinks I'm crazy.
I have two different ridgesystems that run through my
property.
There's one bottom in betweenthe two.
The bucks never cross, notuntil rut, not until rut and

(47:28):
until rut.
It is two different group ofdeer and they are 150 yards
apart.
Yep, and people are likethere's no way and so, like you
know, I'll drop cameras on them,and chris, the camo dust guy,
was one of them.
Whenever we first startedhanging out, I'm like no, look
at this and uh and sure as crap,like deer, deer do deer things.
It doesn't matter what kind ofterrain you're in, it doesn't
matter what kind of woods you'rein.

(47:48):
Deer are going to do deerthings.
Those fat lines, using the topolines, zooming out, looking at
the foliage, it doesn't matterif you hunt river bottoms or if
you hunt up in the mountains,and the thing is, is with the
river bottoms what people don'trealize.
Those fat lines are actuallyeasier to use because when
you're walking through riverbottoms it all looks flat.
But if you look at a topo map,there's that littleitty ridge

(48:11):
and like, if you're a feed treehunter or trying to be a feed
tree hunter, those places arewhere the red oaks are growing.
So you go through there and youknow you hear guys talking
about all the time red oakridges and it's like what the
hell is a red oak ridge?
Like I'm down here in theArkansas River bottoms or I'm
over on Biomeda.
All you got to do is pull upthat topo map.
You're going to see that slightelevation change.

(48:32):
If you go out there, there'sgoing to be two things on it
there's going to be briars,there's going to be red oaks.
Sometimes you'll find a pin oakright off the side of it and
you can key in on those thingsand it's money If you're a feed
tree hunter.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
But if you're going this weekend.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
I don't know when this thing's dropping, but if
you're going early season andyou want a pointer on what to
try to find on public groundearly season, persimmon trees
and honey locust trees that'sthe two Honey locust, Honey
locust, Yep.
Honey locust and persimmonsearly season.
That is your best friend If youhunt river bottoms and you're
going late season.
Briars and everybody alwaysoverlooks briars, but briars are

(49:09):
one of the easiest feed signsto read because they'll chew
them off.
All right, oh yeah, Makesperfect sense.
Yep, They'll chew them off soyou'll be able to see the bite
marks in them.
Where they're chewed off theend of them It'll look like you
took a bite of a piece ofasparagus and it's got the
little stuff on it.
Same thing.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
All right.
So this is a road.
I'm gonna show the camera.
It's on the road.
She shot it with a bow lastyear.
That's on a fat line on theroad.
Okay, that's where she shot herdeer, just a random spot on the
dirt road.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah, no, and that was one thing, one of my most
active cameras and never baitedit, never, I mean talking about
it was on the road, on the fatline, it it had deer and what's
crazy about it.
On the other end of theproperty it's 750 acres, right
here, right.
So the other end of theproperty, the bucks I had in the
early season and whatnot,whenever they started rutting
around a little bit, I wasgetting those bucks on that fat

(50:04):
line on the road, cruisingcorridors Everywhere from all
around the property.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
But not only that the same buck we catch on the other
side of the property wouldfollow it all the way across it
on the fat line.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Talk about travel corridors, I mean you're 100%
right, dude.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
And like we thought like there's no way, this shit's
right, yeah, but we actuallytested it last year.
We put every camera on fatlines and it was like holy shit,
shit, this, just this shit'scrazy.
Yeah, I don't think a lot ofpeople understand that.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
I mean, I don't even know what to say really I don't,
and that's the thing is, likethere's a method to to madness
right.
So, like, if your grandpa has astand and like I told you guys
last year, like whenever I cameup with this theory I guess you
had 20 years worth of deergetting killed off, my dad's
main 80 stand to go back andlook at it and I'm like what is
that?
Why is that?
Why is that line different, youknow?

(50:53):
And then I start hunting publicground.
I'm like, all right, I killed abuck here, killed a buck here.
And I start looking.
I'm like god dog, they're all onthat fat line yeah and then,
you know, I just started movingaround to it and I let it
dictate it a lot, you know Iheard it.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Here's this deer.
All right, put it up here.
Fat line number two on a dirtroad.
Fat line, okay, check this out.
Last year.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Hey, y'all want to see what that deer looks like.
You want to hold him in yourhand?
Let me at him.
Oh my, I'm telling you, I'lllet you touch him.
I'll let you touch him, I'lltell you.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
I put a blind up.
I put a blind up on I was likeyou got to be shitting me On a
dirt road.
It's retarded.
It really works.
Here's another fatline deer.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
I mean I could go on and, on and on.
I'm going to go home and moveall my shit.
Look here, another fatline deer.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Like this is a middle of an oak holler, Just on a
fatline.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
And bait.
And don't get it wrong, and'sbait there.
Yeah, there's bait there, butthey didn't stop there.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
But the bait is on Fatline, so no, we have bait
piles, alright.
Alright, a valid point.
You know, haters might get onhere and say some shit Haters
gonna decrypt what you're sayingfor sure.
Alright, we have.
How many bait piles Do we haveon that property?

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Probably 15, probably less than that, probably around
10, 12.
12?
.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Okay, I don't want to bat off asshole, all right, so
33% off.
But the mature bucks only showup on the fat lines where the
bait piles are Regularly.
Yep, early season, yep, oncethe rut kicks in, it changes a
little bit season.
Yeah, you know, once the rutkicks in it changes a little bit

(52:34):
.
But you know early season andyou know that goes back to uh,
that goes back to a velvet hunt,arkansas, you know you got
early season.
So how does the deer changefrom velvet hunting?
Like everybody's gonna go outthis weekend, arkansas.
So the the I guess they're allbachelor's group.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
So I think a lot of people in arkansas um, I'm not
saying that they messed up thetiming of people in arkansas um,
I'm not saying that they messedup the timing of the velvet
hunt, right, but I'm just gonnagive you my opinion the timing
of the velvet hunt's messed upyou think it's too late.
No, it's, it is right, it's toolate, and I'm gonna tell you why
.
So when deer start sheddingtheir velvet, they start
creating their dominance inareas.

(53:09):
That's why you see that bust upof that bachelor group.
Yeah Well, like if you look andlike, I can show you pictures
from Eric's camera over wherewe're going to hunt this weekend
.
They started shedding daybefore yesterday.
Deer will start changing theirtravel patterns as soon as that
velvet starts coming off theirhorns All right, which is?
And so like oh, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, I mean we're actually starting to see velvet.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Yeah, I think that's what's happening now.
Yeah, it is no 100%.
It's a very moment in our place.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Yep, and so what happens is and I think there's a
method to the madness I thinkpeople wanted a velvet hunt in
Arkansas.
I think Game and Fish wanted togive them that.
But you don't want all yourbucks getting killed early.
I think there's a method to it.
I think the Arkansas, and Ithink they planned it that way
absolutely, because otherwise,after the first year, if your
goal was letting people killvelvet deer, you'd have moved it
forward because you've seenit'd been a lot easier you've

(53:56):
already seen that like 80 of thedeer getting killed are hard
horned right, but they didn't,and I think it's because of that
, like they're giving you theopportunity to go out and do
this.
Um, but you've got to be verystrategic in what you're doing,
because the week that they'reopening that season, deer are
changing and they're starting tomove and they're starting you
know, like if you go to myproperty right now, like the
white oaks are raining, theystarted like last saturday, like

(54:17):
the top of my shop, like youjust hear, click, click, click,
click white oaks started raising.
So for the last couple weeksdeer's been on persimmons, the
ones that are dropping early.
They've been on honey locusts.
Now you've got all these whiteoaks dropping and they're
shedding velvet.
These bucks went from here.
Now they're all starting tospread out.
So these guys that's beenrunning feed.
They've spent $500 on corn thelast month getting ready for

(54:40):
this velvet hunt and now thedeer are gone.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
They are gone.
What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Well, I told you how to kill your deer.
Yeah, you did.
If you listen, listen if youlisten, listen.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
I you did, I hope you do.
I hope you go tonight ortomorrow night, whatever, and go
feed with what I told you to,and then I hope you don't miss.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
I'm gonna wait the last time this year was talking
about your shooting abilitiesreally yeah

Speaker 2 (55:02):
yeah, oh fuck, doesn't ring.
Oh yeah, you remember that, noit wasn't just.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
Uh, it wasn't just that I didn't miss, it was a it
was a oh oh fuck but it was asequence but, like you know,
when I left here last year, likeobviously y'all went and tested
the fat lines.
I did so like do the feed thingyeah and then, whenever I come
back next time you can be like Ikilled the general we need to
hurry up and, like you, need tocome more often.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Educate us quicker, quicker, quicker.
At a quicker rate.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
The plus side is, unlike the other podcasts, I do,
bro, I'm 25 minutes down theroad.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah, it was so awesome that the fat line theory
actually worked.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Oh, that's tried and true, it is.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
What we could really do for y'all's listeners is come
like February.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
You don't want to do it now, right, and I always tell
everybody this like the besttime to scout your property if
you have new property is inFebruary, because you can see
all the sign from the end ofOctober all the way through the
end of season.
So if you know how to read sign, I'll come out and walk it with
y'all.
We can do like a walk aroundvideo.
That'd be awesome and put thatout.
Show like the sign on the fatlines.

(56:11):
you can show like their feedingtrends you can show what should
be cruising corridors and stufflike that and break the property
apart.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yeah, shockley, are you gonna go change your shit up
?
I am dude.
He's thinking about it, right?

Speaker 3 (56:19):
now I am thinking about it no, it is.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
I mean, if you're not gonna start hunting with
whitney hunts yeah, if you'renot, that's the easiest way to
change it just move her that'sway easier.
She doesn't know about the fatlines, she will tell her, to
tell her, she needs to huntskinny lines.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Yeah, yeah, just my dad, my dad and my uncle done
told her about a deer over therebehind their house where we
don't usually hunt, but we huntsometimes.
Yeah, today they done told meabout it, but I didn't, I didn't
mention it.
So when I asked her about it ortold her about it, she was like
did y'all tell michael glenn?
Yeah, my dad's already laughing.
Yeah, my uncle, he told meMichael Glenn.
I like that, Michael.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Glenn dude.
You must hear that when you getin trouble all the time.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Yeah, what does your tattoo say on the inside of your
arm which one?

Speaker 4 (57:01):
This one says the wording this one or that one, no
, both of them.
This one says we live with thescars we choose oh cool and then
that one says, we the people,that one's super hey, I got we
the people's meal too.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Man, yeah, yeah, there it is.
Yeah we go over this last timehuh huh, you don't have that,
huh, that one uh.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
So I saw that a while ago and I was like does that
say probably not, that'shilarious, yeah it's funny.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
It's even funnier when he tells you why I got that
.
Yeah, we have a podcast aboutthat.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Yeah, you want to tell, no, you go ahead no, you
go right, that's your mom.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
That's your mom I'll pass.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Probably not, no, probably not, yeah, probably not
.
You go, oh yeah well, his, hismama.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
You know I was in the mood.
You know I said hey, you know,you know we're bored.
Whatever I said, you want to,she goes, I probably not.
That's some bull crap.
You know I was in the kitchen Iwas like how can I?

Speaker 4 (57:51):
She goes?
Probably not.
Man, it didn't sit right,that's some bull crap.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
You know I was in the kitchen.
I was like how can I get her toremember that?
So next morning, about what?
4 o'clock.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
I called you in the morning.
He called me, I was driving orsomething, and he called me at
like 4 o'clock and he's likedude, I think I'm going to get a
tattoo today.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I was like like that's a great fucking idea.
That's fantastic.
I told her.
I said your mom wouldn't giveit up last night.
So she told me probably not.
So I'm gonna put a tattoo on myarm to remind her for the rest
of her life how stupid.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
That was so I did.
So he comes in next day andhe's got it fully tattooed.
I'm like dude and I was likeI'm going to come in with
something on my arm.
It's going to be like headache.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
I'm tired.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
So it was pretty cool though, because I walked in the
boat plant and I showed her thetattoo she goes is that real?
I said, well, of course it'sreal.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
That's one of those you do like this yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
No, do like this.
Yeah, no, I said that's realbaby, that's real.
But uh, it was a good sense ofhumor.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
I've had not had that problem since by the way, yeah,
you got something that night,didn't you?

Speaker 1 (58:57):
yeah, probably not, probably not.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
No, no, I did, it's definitely his answer right now,
because next time he's gonnaget maybe on the other one just
maybe I said test me saysomething yeah, now she's scared
what she says

Speaker 1 (59:09):
yeah, she's like no, no, no, no no that one's gonna
be a hard one to explain atThanksgiving she's gonna show up
with one of those eyebrowtattoos that says fine, fine we
have a really good sense ofhumor in our family it was funny
and it was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
But it does fit my personality cause it's like
everybody comes to me all thetime with issues.
I'm like I probably notwhatever yeah yeah, no it works
out.
Are you gonna kill it there?
Probably not.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Yeah, you know I thought you were asking me.
I was like hell yeah, and thenyou're like probably not.
I was like, oh, I missed thejoke yeah, so I'm pumped up for
both season.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
I'm ready to get going this weekend.
It's good to go down.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Hey, I'm telling you, like the the weather, like I
said earlier, the cold front.
You've got two rain frontsstacked right on top of each
other with a day in between.
I think the dudes that knowwhat they're doing and half the
ones that don't are going tokill a deer this weekend.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
I hope I'm at least half the ones that don't.
God, you got me motivated man.
I pumped up dude.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
How do you do this to us?
You get us all motivated,listen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Hey, look this is the reason that y'all I was
discouraged.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
This is the only reason y'all have had me on here
twice is because I do this shitall year long.
We need this, is my head.
All year long my wife will besitting on the couch and kids in
there playing Fortnite, wife'swatching whatever on TV or
playing on her phone and she'slike what are you doing?
Scrolling TikTok?
I'm like I'm looking at maps.
Yeah, it's just how I processand like it's funny.

(01:00:30):
I've got a whole bunch ofvideos on my phone.
But like last week because I'mgoing to Colorado.
So my buddy, phillip's likehave you shot your bow yet?
And I'm like no, and he's likeyou need to shoot your bow.
So I got it out and I split twoarrows at 50 yards.
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
And he's like what right I'm done?
Because if I make one more badshot, I'm like in my head and it
just falls apart, but likeanother.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Oh, I'm sorry, this is the velvet buck I'm going
after.
Oh yeah, he's pretty.
Show the camera, it's a bigbruiser six, yeah, show the
camera, that's I'll

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
buy the pen just for the area.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
You got to tell me where he's at Dude.
I'm telling you I don't have abig six, absolutely, I don't
have a big six.
Hey, dude, if we don't, killthis weekend, that's why I'm
pumped up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
I want to get my big six out of the way, hey if we
don't kill that deer thisweekend, we'll film you Double
trio over here.
That way everybody can hate usand we'll get a lot of views.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Yeah, you can go ahead and play around with it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
No, I mean as a six point.
So it's going to take some away.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
You think he's like.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
And he's going to lose something in Velvet.
If you killed him right now,he's going to be high teens.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
He'd be high teens with.
Maybe he's gonna break 110,even out of velvet yeah no, for
sure, and I mean you get up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
You get up above 110 inches with it with the six
points.
That's good.
That's what I'm saying.
110 inches yeah, no, you knowwhat we call those you know what
we call those deer, whattaxidermy bills oh yes, I'm
putting him on the wall.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Oh, he's going on the wall, I smoke him.
He's going down.
We've had that deer.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Yeah, you guys show the camera.
We've had that deer on thecamera for three years.
He's getting bigger and biggerand bigger, yeah.
And it's like holy shit.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
He's a praiser, Like that's crazy.
You know, while we're talking,I'm going to put these guys on
the spot, everybody.
So when are y'all going to comeon the hunt?

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
I'm ready, dude, you guys we do, just let us know
when we do one a month.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Yeah, I'm going to be honest with y'all.
The most fun one come to Texas.
Everybody here will kill a deer.
Yeah, they got a 13-inch widerule, but you're going to see.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
I know all about that You're going to see 40 deer and
this is the big deal.
This is the big deal about it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
I want to see y'all's capabilities of your boats.
Oh yeah, and this is a goodspot?
No, because the lake that wehunt is super loggy.
Yeah, Like super loggy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Oh, you say when we'll be there.
Yeah, I better just say when.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Hey, it's like 5th through 15th of December, 5th
through 15th Yep, and we have anAirbnb.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Yeah, absolutely.
It'd be fun real quick, but bscott, but 13 inch rule in texas
.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
So we're in texas hunting, right?
Do you have a picture of thisdeer?
No man, yes, you do.
You liar, he was legal.
He was legal, yeah, so he killshis deer right and it's on
private property.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
It's kind of a guided deal, you know, and the the guy
threw out the g word on you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
It was guided unguided.
Though it was guided unguided,it was property.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
You know he yeah he told us what kind of deer is in
the area, whatever.
So we go there, we hunt, andhe's hunting and he shoots his
deer.
He takes me and says I shot, Ishot a good one, or whatever.
Well, all right, I can hear hisvoice that he wasn't 100.
You know.
I was like, oh shit.
Well, oh yeah, he sent me apicture like is that something

(01:03:54):
illegal?

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
so you know those semi-guided things.
There's a dude up north.
He invited me to come out acouple years ago and I wish I
would have because they've gotgiant deer, but he changed the
name of his semi-guided hunts totrespassing fees.
He said that he gets twice asmany people that come now
because they're paying atrespassing fee to hunt his
property.
And I was like that is thesmartest, stupidest shit I've

(01:04:17):
ever heard in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
It's smart, though, but that's the redneck stuff,
right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
So if we were going, you, talk about haters, though
If I get on there I'm like Iwent on a guided hunt or a
semi-guided hunt.
People are going to hate you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
You'll be like no, I went to Iowa and paid a
trespassing fee and they're likewhat's that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
That sounds badass.
What's that?
I don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
That sounds badass.
Well, people don't understand,though.
It might be a semi-guided hunt,but you still got to kill the
animal.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
That's right, you still got to squeeze the tail.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
He's just giving you the opportunity to hunt on his
property shoots his buck in.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
It means thick, I mean at least still still this
is all right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
So this, yeah, this is what it was okay so that he
was rutting.
He was coming from my left sideto my right side, right, and he
never got a bad eye.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
He never.
He never looked at me, he never, never looked at me.
It was like day four.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Two where he's getting exhausted mainframe
thick, mainframe 10.
Yeah, and he was going from myleft to my right, never looked
at at me but I was like but mycalculations Looking at the
girth, all right Girth andlength Girth.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Girth and length.
You know what he looks like.
You measured from the bottomside, didn't you?

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
I measured from the bottom side, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
And he was rutting and it was like I choose, now he
shoots and we was within aneighth of an inch.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Of being legal hey.
Being legal, I was like holyshit, dude, are you serious?

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
We're going to get busted, but come on now, like a
130 is barely legal.
It's retarded.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
I can't wait to see a picture of that deer because I
can show you one of mine.
He come out.
I had like seven bucks aroundme on this fat line but they
were coming around that drainageand I had all these bucks
around me and I look over andjust this man of a deer walks up
on the ridge and I couldn't seehis horns, just body.
I hit a grunt call.
I shot that deer straight belowmy stand.

(01:06:05):
He took off running straight tomy tree and stopped.
I shot him down between theshoulder blades.
Yeah, to me he's a giant, right.
I'm like, oh my god, he's thisbig well the place I was hunting
.
I won't name it, but it has awidth or a main beam length.
Okay, all right, he didn't makethe width, but he made the main
beam by a quarter inch on oneside, half an inch on the other
side.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
I was like I know it, it's crazy, it's scary man,
it's scary like beast got deerlike it's.
There's just no way that deer'snot legal.
Yeah, I mean, but it barely,but the Texas rules man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
So, like, let me ask you, Like, if you get a gnarly
buck out there that just needsto be shot and he's just not 13
inches wide, I mean, will youjust let him go?

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
Dude.
Hey, I've got a video of one onthat same place.
That was a six point that wasprobably 13 inches wide, and he
came back around his hornscrossed.
I have a shed.
The next time, the next time Icome, y'all remind me I'll bring
the shed.
It's as big around as this Cokecan.
And I passed that year and itwas.
It was miserable.
It was miserable.
But the thing was it was theyear I'd started my YouTube

(01:07:12):
stuff and it's like it's notworth the ticket.
Like at the end of the day,yeah, I mean like oh, yeah, but
if I could go back like, oh myGod, uh, and what sucks is is it
depends on the game warden youtalk to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Um, cause they can take, you Can't they?

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
No, it's not that, but like I talked to a game,
your old deer, like nobody wouldhave wrote you a ticket from
that and I'm like you say that,but the dude that pulls up after
you, takes my deer away, writesme a ticket, ruins my career,
like you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
It's just not.
Yeah, no, it's.
That's kind of what happenedwith b scott, like I actually
shot the deer and like, okay,obviously that's an old deer.
It's just just weird.
I mean, yeah, you know heshouldn't have been that old,
but it's crazy.
Yeah, I'm trying to find apicture I'm scrolling right now.
I'm going to find a picture ofthat deer.
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
That's my 137.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
He wasn't a six, he was a seven, but he has 12-inch
eye guards.
He was dumb.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
That's crazy.
Those big sixes dude are nasty.
Oh, absolutely like.
I want just one of those.
The the sixth point I'm huntinglike I.
I just want him just get out ofthe way you know what I mean.
I want a big six I can put onthe wall.
It'd be cool if he's in velvet.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
It'd just be an added bonus if he's in velvet, and
then just dude, I went to uh soI used to on the side like
obviously it's been military,but on the side I used to build
uh sw and here and over there upby Hot Springs.
I won't say who the guy is, buthe also is a football coach up
there.
He used to be.
I don't know if he still is uparound Jesseville, but he has a

(01:08:41):
136-inch six-point that hekilled up by Buckville.
136-inch six-point this thingis like pretty crazy 24 inches
wide, like 16 inch g2s, likejust the biggest frame deer,
like if he, if he'd have been a10 point.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
He's like a 200 inch deer.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
You know, just yeah, monster deer.
And you know I talk deer witheverybody I meet and I was like
man, this is a good lookingproperty, like I bet you got a
bunch of deer.
And he's like you won't see abig six point.
And I'm like of course I'vekilled 106, point.
I walk inside.
I'm what the hell is that?
Like where did you?
And anyways, he killed it likea mile from my dad's lake house.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Oh, man, so the next two years.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
I'm like, I'm hunting here, oh dude.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Try to get big six.
I never seen anything biggerthan a normal six.
I think it's on everybody'sbucket list to kill a big six.
Yeah, I, not as big as that one.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
That's the cool thing about deer, though my buddy
Eric.
He hates eight points.
It doesn't matter how big theframe is, he doesn't want to
kill an eight point, but helikes big frame deer and I like
unique deer.
So, I always say it can be afour point with a flyer and I'm
smoking him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Have he got a kicker?

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
He's looking for a reason to shoot All bets off.
He's a killer.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
you let a spike walk by, that's got two kickers off
of that spike, I'm smashing himhe's legal and he's got a kicker
and I'll probably put him on awall somewhere because that's so
funny.
Dude, that is awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
That's what's cool about deer, though like some
people like thick ones and widetall hey, it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
It's like women.
You know, we all like differentwomen, that's right.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
yeah well, women like thick ones and skinny ones and
whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
How would?

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
you know, Probably not.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
That's what they say.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Probably not, probably, not, probably not.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Well man, I appreciate you coming on here
Absolutely.
We'll definitely have to getyou back on at a later time,
once the season kind of getsgoing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
It's going to be hectic.
Yeah, he needs to come backafter deer season and see what
we actually kill and what heactually kills.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
It'd be cool too to walk a property out video and
kind of break it down, yeah whatwould be cool, I think a good
one, uh, for the listeners orwhatever is like, try to, and
it's gonna be super busy and Iknow y'all will be too.
But like that mid-november,right before arkansas, rut
really starts kicking off onthis side of the state, trying
to get one together and talkingabout you know what y'all are
seeing, what other people areseeing, and yeah, and like what
I do that time of year and whaty'all do that time of year to

(01:10:49):
kind of key in on those deer.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Yeah, I think it'd be a good idea.
That's awesome, man.
The more we can teach people,the better.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Absolutely we learned a lot from last time he came oh
yeah, we really did.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
My favorite thing about doing podcasts is, like
the, the people that y'all reach, um, just you know listening
wise that y' teach until youknow that kind of stuff because,
like, I'm not saying that youcan learn everything from a
podcast or a video, but youlearn so much more and like it
can save you like listening tomy bad luck and like what I do

(01:11:17):
now, absolutely save you five.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I mean, I think that's what it's about.
Yeah, you learned somethingtoday, didn't you?

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
I did yeah, I mean it actually I've been looking at
my damn map since he said it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
I know it actually works, so you do learn things.
Hey, if you tip him, he mightdrop you a few pins.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Yeah, we had to pay a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
They never paid me a dime.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
I did get a free monster.
Yeah, a free monster.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
He might, if he's lucky, leave with a hat.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Well, man, it's good stuff.
I think we'll wrap it up.
We're an hour and 22 in Timeflies when you're talking about
deer hunting.
Oh yeah, I love deer hunting.
Well, guys, thank you.
Hit the like button, subscribe,hit the bell for notifications
and if you missed out on thelast one, he's with us.
That's episode 41.
That breaks down the topo, okayyou know fat lines, fat lines,
fat lines are where it's at.
We'll catch you guys on thenext one later.

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