Navigating the Public Eye: Jada Pinkett Smith and the Complexities of Open Relationships

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Would you stay in a relationship like Jada Pinkett Smith's? We invite you to join us in our fiery discussion on public figures and the intimacies of their relationships, using the example of Jada Pinkett Smith to illustrate the complexities of sharing one's personal experiences so publicly. We examine the pitfalls and consequences, especially for men, of such an open approach and the often resulting frustration and hesitance towards commitment and marriage. 

We don't shy away from analyzing relationship dynamics and expectations set by both partners, using Jada's situation as a prime example. It's a potent discourse on the tension between men's expectations versus women's reality, the concept of 'eating bullshit' in relationships leading to resentment, and the significance of moving on from past relationships. We also tackle the sensitive topic of prolonged separations in marriages, their implications, and how external factors can influence decision-making in relationships. 

Our episode concludes on the vital role of honest and compassionate communication in relationships. We delve into the challenges faced when entering a marriage for protection or dealing with a partner who is ill or an addict. We stress the importance of maturity, trust, and the ability to leave the past behind in order to heal and progress. This is a must-listen episode for anyone seeking a raw, honest look at relationship dynamics!

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Episode Transcript

M (00:05):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to On the Mic with the M.

T (00:08):
Aunti An

M (00:09):
Today, goddamn, we gon' talk about Jada, but more than Jada,
bad and toxic relationships.
Men if you see women like Jada,fuckin' run, Run for the hills
as fast as you can.
Women if you see a guy thatacts like Jada, run your goofy
asses as fast as you can in theopposite direction, because the

(00:30):
shit she's putting out hereain't good for nothing.
These are people you don'twanna deal with, you don't?
You don't wanna deal with it.
It's some bullshit.
This is a straight bull shit.
T you didn't jump all the wayin.

T (00:45):
We didn't even get to expose what was going on.
Oh, okay, you forgot that.

M (00:50):
Shit, I'm sorry.
Yeah, you know you're in bed toleave.
No, it's the closet.
Yeah, you're in bed to leave.

T (00:55):
Y'all are like fuck it, I'm just gonna live it.
Right now, I'm so upset, itdoesn't fucking matter what Jada
did.

Mac Da Don (01:00):
Listen, don't be her .
I mean realistically, let'scall it speed as speed.
Right, let's start.
Let's just from.
We talked about Jada before,right?
Yes, during the slap last year.
If you haven't checked it out,link is probably in the
description.
But this year she talks toMemoir.
She's like you know what, guys?
Let's talk about my life Firstoff.

(01:21):
Nigga, I don't want no moreabout your life.
I'm in a harm, disrespect.
Your life sounds like it'sfucking awful.
Why?
Because it's a coffin offucking sadness and like shoulda
, coulda, what is for no reasonLike.
She act like niggas.
Just grew up and you was justin the hood getting smacked up.

(01:41):
Niggas was was part of my partof my language, ladies and
gentlemen, was violating you andsome more shit.
And then you, like man, youknow, I finally got a chance to
get out of this and I just wassticking with different pitch.
There are like 95, 96, 97% ofwomen would kill you tomorrow
for your life.
A nigga who's going to providefor you?

(02:03):
Go get your kids show andshower you with love.
It's not the way I wanted itand they make me feel bad.
And in two parts of my soulmate and I loved him and we
didn't have sexual chemistry,but when you were so late in my
kids and we all shut the fuck up.
I was a brief synopsis, though.

T (02:36):
Yes, it was pretty well done.
I'm gonna be honest.

Mac Da Don (02:39):
Yeah, yeah.

T (02:41):
It was very much so male bias , but still like it was well
done.
It was well done.
I will say that.

M (02:49):
Oh God, yes, I just.
It's just a, it's just a neverending saga with her.

T (02:55):
I mean?
Well, first of all, it's thefact that it's an open book
situation.
So I think a lot of us aretrying to figure out what else
do we need to know about herthat we don't already know,
right, like, what more do youneed to explain to us about you
and Tupac?
What more do you need toexplain to us about you and any
other entanglement?

(03:15):
Perhaps you were and we don'tknow?
I don't know, but what more dowe need to know about her and
her husband?
Because at this point we justwanted, we tried to shush them
back after the slap.

M (03:26):
Oh, my God, yes.

T (03:27):
Like we've been said that we don't need to know nothing about
nobody's marriage.

Mac Da Don (03:33):
No.

T (03:34):
Like this relationship is nothing different from anybody
else's.
And now, all of a sudden, we ona whole book tour about them
about the marriage.
I'm like, oh, okay, but okay, sotechnically, technically, we
should be given her a pass right, Because it's like she's

(03:55):
standing in her truth.
This is very bold of her.
Perhaps it's not propaganda,Perhaps this is very true things
right, Even though she doeswant you to buy the book
ultimately.
But she's saying these aren'tfalse.
You know events that she'sclaiming Her and will perhaps
really were, you know, separatedfor all of those years, and you

(04:16):
know we're judging her quiteharshly.

M (04:19):
Yes.

T (04:21):
And I don't know if she knows why we're going to tell you
You're quite get it.

M (04:27):
We're going to say why we're judging her harshly.

Mac Da Don (04:29):
Yeah.

M (04:30):
Real, real harshly, and I mean I just made that shit up,
but we just real harshly.
If you're not happy, can youfucking just leave.
Why you got to tell us you'vebeen separated for seven years
and all this other bullshitBecause it's making, it's taking
all of Will's balls.
If he had some, we don't.

T (04:50):
We don't even got.
We need to go drive.

M (04:52):
Yeah, I wish it was like all I wish I'll give them my way,
Because to me this is a coffinof your own doing.
Yeah.
So you know again it's.
This is the reason why I get alot of guys that say, hey, this
is why I don't want to fuckingmarry this this people, women
like her, women like any otherwomen who does this, this is why
I don't want to get married,because they can't keep the damn

(05:13):
mouth shut.
The guy tell the whole worldhow miserable they are, but they
don't tell me, the man, howmiserable they are, but they're
going to tell everybody else.
And now I got to look like thebad guy because you hear from
her side, which is reallyprobably not the right side, but
that's what she wants to tell.
So one sided, one side, and soguys like this shit right here
because it could only be oneside.

T (05:31):
I can only tell my story.

M (05:33):
And what's the purpose of telling your story?

T (05:35):
Yeah, Generally speaking, as a married couple, I wouldn't
just stand there to speak on mystory alone.

M (05:42):
Exactly so.
That's why a lot of guys we getwritings all the time about
guys like I'm glad you put anupdate because women don't have
this conversation you want totalk about.
Women aren't responsible.
They try to throw it on us andit's really.
She is doing this for purpose,which is not benefiting the
marriage union is benefiting herBecause why you got going to

(06:03):
book tour?
We're not talking about WillSmith, who's a book dude who
barely keeps food on the table.
We talk about guys who havemillions and millions of dollars
.
So it should not be for money.
It should be based on youreally have a truth outside of
your marriage.
If it's your personal, I wantto hear it all day.
I want to see how.
Tell me how you overcamecertain things.
Tell me how you survive certainthings in your life.
I hear it all day long becauseyou're a person who overcame and

(06:26):
can teach other people how toovercome their difficulties.

T (06:29):
But when they be intertwined, because I'm married, like if
I'm going through somethingthat's going to be all
intertwined within my marriagemyself, who I am and what I'm
trying to do.
So if I tell the story of whatI was going through and what I
had to overcome, I did that withyou and when some points I
offended you, some points I wasaway from you, I had to avoid,
you know, like how it goes downinside of a real household,

(06:51):
right?

Mac Da Don (06:52):
True.

T (06:53):
Like when I'm, when, if I'm depressed or sad or mad or you
know, work has got meoverwhelmed, Right, I'm feeling.
I'm feeling that inside thehouse and I'm kind of pushing
that off on you also the way I'mgoing about and moving around.
So when it's time for me totell my story on, you know how I
was going through.
Whatever it is I was goingthrough.
You're a part of it because youwas there, Because we're

(07:14):
married.

M (07:14):
Absolutely, and that's something that you, as a unit,
should be talking about.
Now if we, as a unit, cometogether.
So you know what, when we wentthrough we should the world see
what we went through togetherand presented as a united front.

T (07:28):
Yeah.

M (07:29):
Not as you running out there saying, well, this, I didn't
like this, I didn't like that,or he wanted to make me happy,
but that wasn't making me happyand I want somebody who's dead
and long gone, and so it's likewhat the fuck.

T (07:42):
What does he say?
She wanted the guy who's deadand long gone, did she?

M (07:46):
Oh, he's my soulmate and I swear to be fair.

Mac Da Don (07:49):
I will give her her flowers and saying this she said
there's different levels ofsoulmate.
Your kids can be your soulmate.
We will listen to them.
For this, pah started so forher soulmate, we take it a
romantic sense, but I guess whatshe truly meant is just when
you think of somebody who, like,understands you to your core.
I think that's the crux of whatshe's trying to say.

(08:11):
Like, soulmate is somebody whounderstands you to your core.
I said exactly what you want,exactly who you are, and does it
actually change?
Because they know exactly whoyou are, they accept you for
that.
And I think that's what she'ssaying is that Tupac accepted
her for all her isms and allthat her shit, and that's cool.
Like, I'm glad that, like youfound somebody who accepts you
for your shit.
Right, everybody should findsomebody who accepts them for

(08:33):
their shit.
I don't need to know the shitthat you have that you wish
somebody would accept my issuewith Jada and I think a lot of
guys who are like my age havethe issue is.
It's a prime example of why youdon't try to make somebody
better than who they are.
Like yo had money, yo decidedto say I'm going to go ahead and

(08:55):
I'm going to try to uplift thisBaltimore chick and try to show
her a different life where youcould actually celebrate and
have a good time and be outside,and she's like.
I didn't want any of that.
Your disrespectful fucking asshad the audacity to turn this
man's fucking kids against thembecause you're a piece of shit.
Call speed of spade.
There's a bunch of bitches whowatch this fucking podcast, who

(09:16):
sit there and swear up and downthat Jada is not wrong.
I'm telling you from thekindness of my spirit to go fuck
yourself.
If this is a problem for you,then go ahead and turn the
fucking podcast off.
I'm talking to the niggas andthe women who fully understand
that this shit is fucking insane.
I don't need to know Nobodyneeds to know that much about
your life.
Call speed of spade.
Nobody's still that much aboutyour life.

(09:38):
If you are happy in yourrelationship, then you most
logical, smart people justremove themselves from the
fucking relationship You'resitting here, I'm just gonna put
a little fire Okay.

T (09:54):
That was the producer.
He made me drop the mic onthere.
Okay, yes, now I'm just back upjust a little bit.
We are mostly offended over thehighlight of the whole two-pot
thing because at this point andI think I'm speaking on behalf
of most people because it's tooredundant at this point, is that

(10:14):
true?
Is that basically what's goingon?

Mac Da Don (10:16):
Like, yeah, I'm sorry, so what At this like I
was gonna say you don't fuckinglike your nigga that you married
to Like to me that's what shekeeps going out of her way to
say I don't fuck with will Everytime that nigga exists.

T (10:28):
I'm thinking of ways I can say good, fuck that nigga.
That's what she's saying, thatthat's what it sound like.
That's what it sound like.
It's like you don't fuck withthat nigga, and that's cool.

Mac Da Don (10:36):
I'm not telling you you need to like that, I'm like,
but you married them, right?

T (10:40):
So we sit here.
That's not the best way tohonor.
Will we talk about that all thetime, like, okay, you go, it's?

Mac Da Don (10:46):
not the best way to honor him Exactly?
Because, you go there and yousay like I'm gonna go ahead and
when I get married I have a setof vows like to honor to hold to
care for whatever.
You both are married for a longperiod of time, longer than
they were.

T (10:59):
Yeah, right so.

Mac Da Don (11:01):
I don't think so.
Well, you might be, you might27 years, yeah, 27.

M (11:07):
Yeah, I think okay.

Mac Da Don (11:08):
I thought they were like 20.

T (11:09):
I thought they was 28.
I don't know.

Mac Da Don (11:11):
I don't.
I don't say they married Even.
Still, let's say you weremarried 28.
And so you're also comparable.
Yeah, right, yeah, even if youguys have had your shit, you
have not come on any of thesefucking 50 plus episodes of this
podcast and buried mom.
You ever came over here onthese 50 someone podcasts and
buried your husband.

(11:31):
But she actively, whenever sheopens her mouth, finds a way to
say man well, never give a fuckabout me, never give a fuck
about me the way I wanted to begiven a fuck about.
Not, he didn't like in place,understand what I'm saying?
Not, oh, he doesn't care aboutme, but like I expected him to
care about me in this particularway, you cannot control how
somebody cares about you.

(11:52):
No, you got control howsomebody shows their love to you
, even if that's not the way youmight accept love.
We talked about love languages.
Your love languages wereobviously different.
That was that's obvious.

T (12:06):
That's the most obvious thing .

M (12:07):
That's the obvious thing.

T (12:08):
We can kind of learn from this situation that you know we
all have love languages and wesee two love languages that
weren't Actually on the samepage.

M (12:20):
It was connected.
Yeah, yeah, I think that's.

T (12:22):
That's.
That's real, fair, and obvioushere.

M (12:25):
And it's just constantly.
It's like again, you could useyour platform for a lot of
different things and you have aplatform.
You can use your platform forgood or your platform for
fuckery.

T (12:37):
I think, I think this is the situation where keeping it real
goes wrong.
I think that's just all that'sreally happening here.
That, like this, is real life.
You know, round away girl Jada,who you know real life is from,
whatever hood near you type ofgirl, and she you know, and her

(12:59):
heart just feels like you know,I'm going to keep it as real and
I know it is going to be womenout there who can relate to what
I'm going through and I'm goingto go out there and try to
relate to these women and topeople who, you know, want to
see me for my raw self.
But it's going wrong.

(13:19):
Like people aren't.
It's the for better or forworse.
Yes, marriage and this is thehard part to swallow guys,
believe it or not, nobody wantsto see the for worse part of
your marriage or any marriage.
No nobody wants.
Your children don't want to seeit.

(13:41):
I mean, dad don't want to seeit.
People in the street real likethey just want to watch it as an
entertainment sake, but theyreally don't want to see it.
Nobody wants to watch someoneelse's house on fire.
No the natural response is tolike let's help put the fire out
.

M (13:58):
But every time we try to fire , you throw more gasoline on the
floor.
What?

T (14:01):
the hell's happening at this house?
Why keep?
Exactly it's just so as a lineand it's not like we get to see
the house on fire.
They get to tell us about itafter it's been set on.
It's like well, if there's thedamn flames already out, why are
you mentioning it?
Already got it under control?

(14:22):
Then why are you telling all us?
Y'all were separated and nowy'all reconciling your marriage
now like so.
Why are you talking to us aboutwhat?

Mac Da Don (14:32):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

M (14:36):
And, like I said, the thing that really is bad enough on all
this bullshit.
But then she came out with acomment which just floored me.
She was like, well, I'm gonnastay married to him because he's
getting old.
He's gonna need somebody to fixhelp him when he gets old.
Bitch, you only three yearsapart.
He's like 89 years old and you45.
Like, oh, you plan on here?

(14:58):
Well, if he falls down thesteps and he needs some help,
I'm gonna go over there and helphim, because he's gonna need
somebody to help I mean, if thatman, if you were talking about
something to protect him andlike help him out on some real
shit, like then just leave him.

Mac Da Don (15:12):
You would actually be doing him a service by
walking away because no one knewit's not that easy guys, I'm
not saying that.
I'm saying like no one knew allthis shit about Wells
relationships until she decidedto open her mouth Will.

T (15:28):
openly supports every action.

Mac Da Don (15:31):
Nobody cares about that, he's taking right now he
loves her.

T (15:37):
Love, love Right, and that's cool.
You could love her I gottaassume right this is love.

Mac Da Don (15:44):
You have to assume there's some level of love there
that, like to me, visuallyfeels like is it reciprocated?
Because if you care to me, if Icare about somebody, I'm going
to protect you from whateverbullshit from outside.
I can't protect you from me.
I can do what I can do.
I might fuck up, I might thinkI'm doing the right thing and

(16:05):
I'm doing the wrong thing.
That's something that you and Ihave to figure out.
We talk about all the time howthe reason why a lot of
relationships don't work isbecause everybody goes to
everybody else with theirfucking problems.
Say, the person who's sittingacross the table from you.
You manage your wife.
You talking to your best friend, your co-workers, your boss.

T (16:21):
Joe, now to talk to the person sitting across from you.

Mac Da Don (16:24):
But that's the problem.
Because, what are you talkingabout?
What?

T (16:28):
else are you talking about.

Mac Da Don (16:30):
Hey, how do we ensure that each day, each week,
each month, each year moves assmoothly as humanly possible if
we are not actively making surethat the decisions in which we
are making are positivelyaffecting someone else?
You obviously sat there throughyour relationship for a lot of
years and didn't say shit.

T (16:49):
That's what it feels like she actively progressed in certain
areas of her relationship andignored other spaces in the
relationship.
So in the beginning part of thepodcast we spoke about how you
move with masks on and somepeople have more than one mask,
and so this is like a primeexample where she's pretty much

(17:09):
exposed into the world like yo,no, I had on those masks and in
those masks I progressed and Iachieved certain things and then
once I got to Apex, oh, baby,inside internally I crumbled.

M (17:25):
Which means you did not do the necessary work to get
yourself to where you need toget to Because again you go back
to.
I want to impress everybodyelse, I want to impress my
parents, I want to impress thefriends, I want to impress the
world, but the only person youneed to really impress is you.
Yeah, but you need to know whoyou are, and that's.

T (17:45):
that was number one.
Didn't know who self was.

M (17:49):
And at this point 55, I think she's 52, I think, well, 55.

T (17:54):
God damn it.

M (17:55):
At 52 years of age, you still trying to figure this shit out.
What?

T (17:59):
I don't know what they been doing.
See, that's what I'm saying.

M (18:02):
Because you don't have the problem.
Oh well, I you know I need tosee a therapist.
I'm pretty sure you can findany therapist in the world?

T (18:08):
No, so she had an enlightening situation.

M (18:11):
Oh, enlightening.

T (18:12):
Yeah, what happened Sometimes .

Mac Da Don (18:13):
She had the entanglement.
No, I don't know, no, no, no,was she just in her duffel bag
and she was like you know what?
I got to go ahead and check mydictionary.
So Ian was today.
I guess I'll be enlightened andthen we'll do.
Let's flip the next page.
I guess we'll be entangledafter that and then maybe we'll
go ahead and get in Gord's withsome dick from a 24 year old,

(18:34):
your old, dusty bitch.

M (18:36):
Oh, by the way, gledge, you brought that up.
Not a problem, glad I couldhelp.
Wow, wow, that was a realsession, yes, yes, but the
producer Bob, a very good point.
It wasn't like she went outthere and found a dude around
her age to have thisentanglement with.
Come to find out this guy wasvery good friends, was close
with one of her kids, I don'tknow which, I must be the oldest

(18:58):
one.

Mac Da Don (18:59):
It was Jaden, okay, so he was friends with.

M (19:01):
Jaden.
So think about this your kid,who you know how old he is, so
his friend, comes over andyou're like that's the fuck I
like putting on him.
So I don't have you.
I mean we must be flipping.

Mac Da Don (19:13):
Flip the sexes.
We're not even having thisconversation.
Everyone's going to be sittingthere.
We're not even talking abouteverything else.
She said if we flip the sexes,there would be 85,000 people
beating the shit out of Willright now talking about how dare
you have sex with Willow's bestfriend?
She's 20, some my years old.
You were old ass man.
That's why niggas are so weird.
They're always putting the guydown when they engage 24 24.

(19:34):
She's too old.

T (19:44):
She was too old, but I mean he was, he was old enough.

M (19:48):
See, see Okay.

T (19:51):
Now there wasn't like a will, a male taking advantage of a of
a 16 year old, absolutely, butthere's still weird right.
You would imagine that anybodywho would think about it like oh
man, my best friend, is havingsex with my parent.
Yeah, no, it's out of order,that's out of pocket.
That's out of pocket.

(20:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mac Da Don (20:15):
That's the thing.
Like regards to the age gap, isthe fact that you fucking your
child's friend, that's out ofpocket, it is.
It doesn't matter how he knowthe nigga, it don't matter how
long it's been this shit hard.

T (20:26):
It was just a side note.
It was just a side note, it'strue.

Mac Da Don (20:31):
And so again, yeah, I'm trying.

M (20:32):
Yeah, you're trying, I'm trying and it's just feeling
miserably because you're right,if you switch, that will will be
he be on a stick, running downthe street.
He was stabbing his ass andthrowing tar and feathers on his
ass, running his ass out oftown.
Because I dare, old man, lookat some young, young version
like that.

T (20:49):
No, she wouldn't have been a version 24 in America.

M (20:52):
Come on, so they have few eyes on her, but you know.
But again we wouldn't have beena version, you know.

T (20:58):
But again, you know, they would have canceled culture to
her line because it's yourfriends, it's your child's
friend, yes, and so it's for us.
It's a little bit of, you know,it's immoral, like it's just,
it's tacky.
So, yeah, nice, it's been.
Quite a few little tacky goes,and perhaps that's why she bat

(21:18):
bat Question Is she worthy?
That's the title of the book,worthy.

M (21:25):
Worthy, that's the question she has to ask, and if she wants
us to answer that question, shewants.

T (21:31):
You want to read the book?

M (21:32):
Oh, I'm really not sure.

T (21:36):
That's the whole point of everybody talking about this.

M (21:39):
You know because read the book.
No, the thing is, what I'veseen has told me everything I
need to know.
So what book can I learn fromyou?
You're not trustworthy.
Really not a wife you material,he just tried to make your wife
Um that you would try anythingand everything possible to tear
down what that man is and whathe tried to carry himself as,

(22:01):
and you also disavow themarriage vows.
You took shit and talking topeople, ordinary people, about
shit that you should be talkingto among yourselves.
I didn't need to.
I don't give a shit whether youmarried before.
I don't give a shit.
But we know, based off thatslap situation, if y'all was in
a particular situation Iwouldn't got up.

(22:22):
If we're separated for sevenyears, chris Rockin, say any
goddamn thing you want, becauseat this point we're just living
together.
But I have something motivated.

Mac Da Don (22:30):
Yeah, and that's the thing it was.
Feels like this.
It feels like I've been shownheads but there's tails.
That exists as well, like ifyou look at the corners ahead in
the tail, like I keep seeingheads, keep throwing heads in
front of me.

T (22:44):
What's the tail?
Yeah, that's the other person'sstory.

Mac Da Don (22:48):
Wait, but he might not get on the person's story In
this scenario, like a to be thea to be the c based on what you
have told me, makes no sense,right?
So you're telling me y'all beenbroken for six years and you're
saying I don't even know whythe fuck he got up that day,
like I don't even understand whyhe even stood up, like he could
have just let his side of mejust fine, right.
But if anybody can, anybodywho's a body language expert, or

(23:10):
even by who's ever seen anyblack woman pissed off in
history, can tell you when youlook at her sitting across that
table, she said daggers and will, specifically in that moment,
as if to say nigga, you tea herein this shit, you're not gonna
do nothing.
Any black man can look at thatblack woman's face that she
displayed in that moment and say, yeah, cuz, that's a face that

(23:33):
everybody man has seen fromsomebody in their life the
mother, they sister, they cousin, they Wife, they wife.
Somebody will you know oh, thatmeans I fucked up.
We just you just know.
But he would know.
When there was a sidebar, therewas a black guy Doing some news
broadcasting.
He was at a local fair.
They had sausage hot dog, sothey asked the man to try one,

(23:54):
he said, oh man, this looks good, this looks great.
He took a bite at hot dog.
He was like, oh, he's talkingwith the whole hot dog on one
side of his mouth.
So much, that's a good burger.
Yeah, that's good hot dog.
Yeah, back to y'all, like y'ally'all in the studio, back to
you.
And he's still holding it.
And then they cut over and yousee the his Person in the studio

(24:21):
, who's a black woman, and she'sjust smiling at the camera
because she knows, just like weall knew, that hot dog was
straight ass Because, as a blackperson, you look at him, you
saw his face, you knew what hewanted to say.
Hmm, this is terrible.
But, instead of sitting on topof you.
This is my job.
I got to see here a lot, yeah,so by people.

(24:42):
We just know each other andthere's very, very, very, very
few cases we can look at aparticular stance from black men
or black women and not knowwhat the hell was being, say,
yeah, so we all invited was soheard.

M (24:56):
Look at him.

Mac Da Don (24:56):
Yeah, right with the , with the hostile ass face that
scream, you better do somethingabout this.
Defend my honor and you was coolbecause you was smiling when he
smacked the shit off the nigga.
So then, when you now then comeout and go, I don't even know
why the fuck you did that andyou sound so nonchalant like he.
Just he was just out here whileand I had no clue what do you

(25:17):
wouldn't have looked at staredaggers in them when it happened
.
He wouldn't have beenapplauding him when he smacked
the fuck out the nigga.
So obviously you're showingyour saying heads, but there's a
tails behind that.
That's why I always feel likeeverything she says is
disingenuous.
It feels like okay, you'resaying this, but that's not
everything.
It just can't be, because thena to b, the C doesn't make sense

(25:39):
.
Yeah, why would he smacksomebody if y'all been broken
for seven years and y'all waslike we're not even fucking cool
like that?
Why are you even showing up tothings together?

T (25:52):
Sometimes you gotta keep up.

Mac Da Don (25:57):
So I'm glad you said that.
Yeah, you say you gotta keep ablock, though you said you gotta
keep up looks, because if you,if you go hide that shit and I
really wasn't about talkingabout it you, I maintain
appearances right, absolutely,then that means we maintain
appearances throughout.
That means even in post game,when you don't agree with the

(26:19):
fact that he's back that nigga,you need to sell that shit, like
you.
But yeah, no, he's not he, sohe protect you like he was
awesome bullshit, yeah, and hekept running his fucking name
about me.
So I'm my husband and put himback in his place and yeah, you
can then follow it up with likeyeah, but we've been kind of
broken for forever.
But like I appreciate the factthat like he's so honored, like

(26:41):
there's not one time where sheever it feels like she ever
liked that nigga because of howshe has vocalized their their
relationship through the thingsof what she speaks about.

T (26:52):
It's like she's louder about the four worst part.

Mac Da Don (26:54):
Yeah this is about the what they do for me.

M (26:58):
Absolutely.
It's like you look and she justshit.
So I'm gonna consistent base,sometimes shit on a little bit.
Yeah, she's shown a lot.

Mac Da Don (27:04):
Yeah and he's pretty consistent, he's just depends
on how much lack there if shedropped that day, yeah.

M (27:10):
So and will just.
He's just like I'm just gonnakeep quiet because again he has
done much damage for himselfmoving forward.
Had he not slapped Chris Rock,he's still be making $30-40
million movies like that becausehe was a box office icon.
But, with that.
He had to pay the price.
He can't go to any more awardsshow for next 10 years, is it

(27:32):
his Satan, bob?
We even give that that new girlmovie.
We were thinking about itbecause you know he's just bad
rap, yeah, so he's like sittingback, if I was, well, but thank
you, wait a minute, we ain'tfucking like that anymore.
We're not close anymore.
I slapped her for to honor herand, yes, she's gonna further
tell people that I'm basically Idon't love you.

(27:54):
My kids are telling me damn,dad, wish he was to pop and I'm
supposed to eat that shit andhe's doing because I'm trying to
salvage something With an assay.
This, this is just this, andeverybody now knows this.
This is facade.
I have to, at least when thisshit is over, I still have to be
Will Smith.
I have to be that guy that'sgonna be stand for something,

(28:16):
because I've been beating andI'm just he's not saying
anything.

T (28:20):
I'm just eating all the bullshit.

M (28:22):
Eating all the bullshit and at some point we'll ask this
question why am I eating so muchbullshit for this?

T (28:29):
Not necessarily will gonna ask that, but all of us gonna
start asking that.
Why, I swear, willing to eat somuch of this bullshit?

M (28:38):
Well, if you got divorced today or tomorrow, there'll be
millions and millions of womenthat would be at his doorstep To
do anything he wants to do andwould love him Probably, you
know, because he's will, butthey do it.

T (28:48):
Oh, he's a good guy and we're actually doing it for this and
the man's Attracted to thosewomen, he'd be like she don't
touch me, like I did.

Mac Da Don (29:06):
Honestly, it might be a benefit.
The rumor is that they'vealways had an over one
leadership regardless of how youDispel that relationship.

T (29:17):
Supposedly it was just because of the fact that they
were dating while separated.
Because they were separated,they perhaps would be seeing
someone else.
And if you saw them out withsomeone else, you would then
think that you know, it's justopen marriage, but to her it's
just wasn't.
It just wasn't your business.
So I didn't see that becauseyou know, I had to go get my

(29:39):
research.
Oh yeah, See what are wetalking about?

M (29:41):
Oh yeah, we have to and it's just so.

T (29:45):
She said no to an open relationship, but yes to.
We were not divorced, but wewere divorced like we were
divorced within our marriage.
That's pretty much how sheexplained it right.

Mac Da Don (29:57):
So if you're divorced, your relationship, but
like y'all still together andyou're not in a relationship,
but you are in a relationshiplike maybe just Making fucking
noise at that rate, honestly, Ilike we just don't shit against
the fucking wallet.
One day I woke up in themorning and I was.
I got some monkey shit.
You know, if y'all not, ifyou're not happy, bro, like it's

(30:27):
cool to not be happy, yourrelationship it's cool.
You gotta figure out if this isthe relation you want to be.
That's not what you want to do,then go ahead, pack it up.
But don't sit here like allthese years later and be
swearing up and that's in my, myhumble opinion, swearing up and
down that you don't fuck withthe singer Like you.
Just you don't like her, youdon't like her, you can't, you

(30:49):
cannot like somebody, you cannot.
You can't like somebody or careabout somebody and move the way
she moves.
Because if I care about you andI like you, I'm not gonna sit
there and say like damn, he justreally like I know we might
have been separated for sevenyears.
Yo, what is this Mac, the fuckout of this man from?
Because, cause face me, he'sback up for you, for myself.

T (31:14):
Oh my god.

Mac Da Don (31:15):
Chris, you, like you , really offended me.
I'ma smack you.
For me, he's not himself foryou, he's an active for you,
particularly data for himself.
You know about this shit.
He did it because obviously islike you know, I gotta, I gotta
go do something, and that itwasn't a good thought.
It was a bad idea.
We're not blaming.
I'm not gonna sit here and saythat like well is complete
autonomous, she should have Justaccepted the shit.

(31:38):
Or like he should have moved itlike.
No, you shouldn't expect thatone big period.
Absolutely, you fucked up.
That was a bad idea.
Yeah, you have to pay theconsequences for that.
But oh, like, if you care aboutsomebody you're not gonna send
in, just be like yeah, I know herisks his career for me, but I
fucked that again, like heshouldn't have done that shit
anyway, it's just how you moveit and that's the shit that in
in.
Please understand the women whoare somehow still here who are

(32:01):
defending Jada after I told youto go fuck yourself.
I appreciate you because you'reopen-minded person, but I say
this to say like, like, how I'msaying this is how a lot of guys
are looking at this scenario.
I'm not just saying it becauseit sounds good to me.
I'm saying because that is acommon sentiment.
You don't fuck with somebodywho you do this, something that
you do Did it.

T (32:21):
I just I just want to say it sounds like she doesn't know how
to like Outwardly and likepublicly.
Honor her guy.
Yes what it's just like youknow like a case of like.
Perhaps you just don't knowLike what are you doing?
Cuz if you knew better, we justassume you do better and T I
feel you on that.

M (32:42):
I hear you the problems.
You old enough and been aroundthis world long enough to
understand protocol, you shouldunderstand you got some, some
chick living on the streets orBaltimore City or any other.
You you've been in thatlifestyle for a while now last
week.
You've been in for decades.

(33:02):
So at some point you say youknow what we may be going
through our own things in ourmarriage, but nobody else's
reason, nobody know what thisshit is.
They're for you to write a bookand they're gonna book tour.
Like okay, yeah, we liveseparately but I'm gonna book
tour and just Shilling this guy,and just you know.
So am I worthy?
No, you're not, because womenwho think like that will always

(33:24):
be by themselves.
Cuz.
No guy want that shit, nobodywant.
If a guy marries you and ittakes a lot, cuz again for us to
say you know, damn it, I'm aMarrier.
You know I'm so sorry, run.
You know we really trying toget married.
You know we'll try to See.
You know we try to get all thegoodies we can.

(33:51):
And then it's gonna be that one, that one lady late guys, it
would be this one lady that'sgonna happen and you gonna say
you know what that's my queen,I'm gonna do.
I'm a protector with my life.
I'm gonna make sure I Doeverything to make sure this
unit stays tight.
And I got her.
God damn it.
I've got to work for 20 hours aday, seven days a week to get

(34:16):
some shit that she want.
I'm gonna fucking do it becauseshe got me, I got her.
We're team.
If that guy finds that thiswoman that he is invest himself
in, cuz, when, by the time we dothat, oh, we all in, we all in
it.
I mean, we're tearing up.
Every time you say something tous, women are cry at the moment
while you talk.
We're gonna be in the car in thewindow, in the glass mirror.

(34:38):
Yeah, I know I'm hearing thatupset, but because you take it
personally, because you justwant to make sure that you're as
happy as possible and if you'rehappy, damn it.
I could be happy too becauseyou make me happy, right.
But as a woman, if you fuck upthat and you out there,
everything he does, yeah, theyknow.
No, I know, I bought you.
I bought you a 2019 Porsche.

(35:00):
I want a 2023 Porsche.
Why could afford it?
No, I want the 23 you don't belike wait me wait, wait.
I don't without them, bought agoddamn 70,000 dollar car for me
.

T (35:11):
You want a 85,000 dollar car because everybody's weirded out
that that 15,000 made adifference to you.
No, that was $20 in the car.
As a man, you're like I don'twin and the shit and she, but
you know the type of woman youwas dealing with.

M (35:31):
Well, again, don't you all do play games?

T (35:34):
No, no, y'all played the games.
Manipulation to see lies.

M (35:41):
Dude, y'all play that game to y'all use the Poonani?

Mac Da Don (35:45):
No what they'll say is like oh, I don't care what
you do, but it's secretly likewill stab you eight times in a
night in her mind If you don'tdo the exact thing.

T (35:54):
She thought about you know, I told you I don't care what you
do, I don't.
I don't care what side of a caryou pick me up, okay, but I
would like a car that would benice.
Oh, let me send him the type ofcar one in the text message.
Oh, let me email him the typeof car would like in the email.
I gave you all the properdirections and you ignored them
all.
Still got the wrong model.

M (36:16):
See why?
Because we Know that, goddamnit.
I know you want thatLamborghini.
Get you a little Volkswagen orsomething like that, cuz that's
where our pockets are lookingright now.
I couldn't get you thatLamborghini, but you be living
in that Lamborghini.

Mac Da Don (36:34):
The issue is that you want the car but like you
have no Kindness or no, likeunderstanding what that costs.
Okay, yes, $20 extra.
Okay, $20 extra payment, but wepay every two weeks.
That's $40 extra every month.
Remember how I give you $50 foryour hair nails, like now, not,
that's gone, because that's theflexible money.

(36:55):
So now you're.
Something else has to getsacrificed.
Yeah, but I know, and you knowwhere you know secretly, I know
outwardly You're not gonnasacrifice anything else.
You would not know I'm if Itell you, okay, I can buy that
car, but that's going to meanthat we don't go out to eat

(37:18):
every week.
No, that means now, no, no,what you're saying is that means
you need to go get another job,make it, because obviously
You're not doing enough toafford the car in this.
Yeah, I understand where myfinances are and I understand
that you're not gonna contribute, so I got to make.
What's the best sacrifice andBecause the race went to the car

(37:44):
that you want right.
So now you have nothing.

M (37:47):
So Absolutely nothing, cuz they're the guy's like goddamn.

T (38:00):
I try to give you what I could afford and that ain't good
enough for you, the one youknow that woman was, though when
you first like started, likeit's not that much to see in the
world, come on.

Mac Da Don (38:12):
Okay, no, no, no, no , I'm not.
No, you see me, that's aboutthis shit.
No, fuck, yeah, there is, it'sa true side of street, because
they don't lie about how muchmoney got and we're more live
I'm as money they're willing toaccept.
I just want to give this fromthe heart.
He go and get you some flowers,you like Niggi, flowers for me,

(38:38):
for my gift.
Like it's the little shit.
We guys, we don't think like.
We think like yo.
You want something, just say itLike I want.
We think like yo.
You want something, just say itlike I want.

T (38:57):
That's what the purpose of.

Mac Da Don (39:20):
I saw this really nice dress.
I saw this couch.
When you see me, 18, 19different types of just a
different thing, yeah, and everytime I ask you, yo, did you
want that?
Or like what you just show me.
You see it.
Now, when you say, oh, I got agift, you show me a toy.
This is a point of reference.

T (39:39):
This is a point of reference, be able to know.
Read in between the line.

Mac Da Don (39:43):
No, this time this is not a suggestion.
This is what I want, yeahthat's what we are.

T (39:47):
No, because you know I like that.

Mac Da Don (39:50):
Yeah, yeah, because already you, just you do it.
Yeah, somebody right now it'sjust like, yeah, that's me and
that's fine, it's that you.
But then don't be mad at yourman for not getting the thing
that you wanted, because youdidn't ask for the thing that
you wanted.

T (40:03):
I know, but I can't get like a good return policy Go cuz we
didn't want that item.
I just want to take the carback.

Mac Da Don (40:10):
And you know what?

T (40:11):
Let me tell you, but that is good.
On Instagram.

M (40:14):
I think it was a skit, yeah, but I'm gonna tell you real,
real, real talk.
A man would take that back andhe was like, fucking you, buy
your own now.

T (40:23):
You don't need nothing.

M (40:24):
You're getting shit.

T (40:24):
Now you know what's that song .
You will never, never, neverknow.
Yeah, nah her ass out in thecold and now he's down and
grateful as a oh, I'm grateful.

Mac Da Don (40:37):
You're right, you got all the.
You know, but you know what youjust said.
You said look, your clothes aredone.

(40:59):
He was taking care of.
But you're right and that'sawesome if that's what you was
doing.
But we've talked about this.
That's not what's happening outhere.
I'm not cooking for that nigga.
You're not washing my clothes,you're not cooking food and not
doing shit for me.

T (41:22):
So they are saying y'all grown ass, man, and you can take
care of yourself but I be goodand got there rock to care
myself.

Mac Da Don (41:28):
Fuck that what I got you.

T (41:30):
And you gotta get the car correct hey.

Mac Da Don (41:40):
Women fail to realize that, like dog niggas
see this shit constantly,whether it's us Happening to it,
us actively.
What's happened to one of ourman's Actively right?
So when you see that stuff likeyou, see it like a Jada, you
see women come out of left,right, center like man Like I,
like I stand by her, like wherewas the peace trance?
Like yeah, what about the peacetrance of the husband?

(42:00):
I don't know, I don't give afuck.
That's not my concern right now.
My concern is looking at, like,what are you doing in this
relationship From yourperspective?
That's making your life out ofthe easier or harder.
And you keep showing me thatyou keep making your life harder
.
You keep actively showing thatyour life is hard because you
keep making bad decisions, youkeep making poor choices, you
keep acting as your leadershipon point.

T (42:23):
I'm just want to know it's the leadership on point, cuz I
thought you know leadershipBecause you totally fuck you
nigga.

Mac Da Don (42:29):
I'm not cooking for you, shit, I'm not Burn up all
your electricity and guess what?
I feel like something's.
I might not Not have to doanything that they do not want
to.
No one should have to cook foranother nigga.

(42:53):
She don't want to cook for theman, for the winner who don't.
You should not have to cook fora man if you don't want to.
You should not have to cleanfor man If you don't want to.
You should not have to fuckanybody you don't want to
because why you are a individual.
Yeah, you should be able tomake those choices for yourself.
Reprocussions is that you willbe 45 years old with two cats, a

(43:13):
dog in a fucking fairy In yourhouse chasing shit all day.
That could be the other side ofit, because it's a given tape.
Yeah, if you're not gonna givefinancial because you say the
man should be with his provide,then you have to give somewhere
else.
Yeah, if you're constantlysaying that, oh, the man is a

(43:35):
man and he should be able totake care of himself, that is a
true statement.
But how is yours?
A woman exists without beingable to get yourself to right.
So when you end up in arelationship, you decide I don't
want to care myself.
Now I want him to be able totake care of my nails and take
care of the house that I live in.

T (43:50):
Then like what is he, what does he gain from that happiness
?
Right, that's the other part,like, and I need him to make me
happy and I need him to be happy.

Mac Da Don (43:58):
And if he doesn't do something, I'm upset.
This is like okay, so what youjust told me was I refuse to do
any more.
Don't shit the moment I get ina relationship.
I am not going to be the childin this relationship.
You will take care of me, daddy.
Like that's what I'm hearing.

M (44:19):
Oh, yeah, it's, it's it's bad out here I mean again, men, but
I'm gonna be appreciated.
I appreciate it is key.
I mean, you like to bust yourass and then you give her

(44:40):
something.
She's like I want somethingdifferent.

T (44:42):
You like in your mind you ain't gonna say to her, you
gonna say you're the bitch,you're not hard at work and I
had to sacrifice what I wantedto get this for you and you just
this kind of like I thinksometimes mentally we get like
so bogged down and just likebeing Bogged down and misery,
like you just miserable now andyou forget, like yo, you got to

(45:04):
actually actively go out andseek your own happiness,
whatever it is that you knowmakes you happy.
You can't like be like thenegative Nancy in the space,
sucking life out of the room andthen just be like think that
that's okay and that's normal,like you have to actively want
to be happy and bring happinessto the space bring happy you

(45:27):
can't just come to take it.

M (45:28):
Oh t.
That's why she's so many womenin 30s and 40s and 50s and 60s
will buy themselves and don't Idon't know how in the by myself
I don't know how, why manwouldn't want me.
And if they really just turnthat mirror, take off those two
masks that we talked aboutearlier.
On the first episode ever.
Yeah and look at who the hellthey are.
Yeah they wouldn't ask yourselfthis question based on what you

(45:52):
see, would you date you?

T (45:54):
Yeah.

M (45:55):
And, and if you said no, then you got your answer.
But they don't want to do thatwork because that means you have
to sit.
Then like, oh, I got a reallytear down the shit.

T (46:01):
Pay attention to yourself.

M (46:03):
They don't want to, because again, they're looking at why.
How many times you hear thishow she married and I ain't
married.

T (46:08):
How she got, good man, I got permanent complainers,
complaining about everybody else, every other situation.
You got too much stuff to talkabout, jada and will shit.
Now you sitting back commentingon all the shit Jada did wrong,
all the shit will did right,and you still can't even worry
about your damn self.
Oh, yeah, yeah, and that's true,and that's why I can't even

(46:30):
learn a damn thing from thewhole situation, because at
least we set off the break yet.
No, this example of lovelanguages that you know.
Clearly they're not the samelike they, they weren't on the
same page, like they couldn'tsee each other.
We're gonna take that away fromthe situation.
But if you at home, negative,complaining all day, every day,
about everything, uh to that tothis, you gonna stay right there

(46:53):
.

M (46:54):
And you're gonna while over that shit and you in aging and
they gonna.
And of course, if you don't getmarried, it's just with
somebody you ain't married yet.
You just in the house and he'saccepting you.
Cuz some guys get to a pointlike you know what it is, what
is, I know her, I know thiscraziness.
I know a lot of other crazinessout there.
I really deal with this crazy.
I'm not gonna marry this crazy,but I'm gonna deal with this
crazy.

Mac Da Don (47:13):
Yeah, it's just another.

M (47:14):
You know, yeah, and, and you know what that, what happens
with that?
Yeah you end up living yourwhole fucking life as what could
have been, because some pointyou go like damn, I used to be
20 45, I'm still the same crazybitch didn't marry her, never
been married, got a gang of kids.
But I'm still not happy.

T (47:35):
One thing you can say about anything you want to say about
Jada being foolish.
Is a married woman like yes she, she is like she's married
pretty accomplished, like highsthe lows, the goods the bads,
like her journey has been quitea journey, like Technically,

(47:55):
that's what the shit is about.
You better have some lifeexperiences and then enjoy it,
because clearly it's gonna besome downs, so you better have
some goddamn ups along so true,and that goes back to everybody
wants to be married.

M (48:10):
Nobody understands.
Oh, let me also say this I'vebeen looking at some other
YouTube channels and other thingand I'm looking.
I'm like wait a minute, thepeople I'm looking at they ain't
never been married.
They write a couple fuckingbooks and down their expert in
Relationships and marriagebullshit, we know because we've
been married for over twodecades, almost three decades.

(48:31):
So we're not reading from afucking book.
We're not saying, oh, I saw acorresponding course in
Relationships and marriage.
We live this shit.
So we tell you, we tell youfrom experience you, every day,
you have to constantly make surethat you're Living towards
whatever goal you're trying toreach in in life and you have to
make sure that that person thatyou're helping that person get

(48:51):
to reading it, get to as they'retrying to help you.
It's a team sport yeah so thiswar that seems to be out there.
Women's men.

T (49:03):
The fault of this and men is the fault of that.

M (49:06):
You know y'all started it, see, and again and that goes
back to some other dumps aboutus heard toxic masculinity.

T (49:13):
There's no fucking thing called toxic toxic man, exactly,
but your masculinity beingtoxic, it's like not masculinity
is just Linnity, like exactly.

M (49:30):
I mean so again when you have guys, and that goes back for
not being raised or being havingproper role models.
Because, again, if you wereraised by a bunch of women as a
man, how do you actually learnhow to become a man?
Who is your mom gonna?

Mac Da Don (49:43):
teach, you learn when you learn what a woman's
idea of a man is instead of what?
Man's idea what a man is andthat's the biggest issue that
there's a lot of women tellingmen how to be men.
That is literally impossible.
Just like, as a guy, I cannottell you how to be a woman, no,
I can't tell you.
Oh, I can see, as a mate, whatI am looking for as a mate.

(50:05):
In for each man, thatDefinition of what my mate needs
to do changes.
Some men don't give a fuck ifthey wife contribute.
Some men just want somebody tostand next to them and look
pretty.
Some men want a partner.
Some men want somebody who'slike okay, she might not be
necessarily right next to me,try to be a step ahead of me or

(50:29):
a step behind me, but either way, financially that might be the
case, but we still make surethat like we, we bridge that gap
.
Like, okay, she might be alittle bit ahead of me and
finance I might be a little bitahead of her finances, but like
no, she's, so she's over accessto my bank account.
Make sure she good.
Every person has a differentrequirement system for what they

(50:49):
believe their mate should be.
People want to then find peoplewho they like and then slot
them into what their vision ofwhat their life should be.
That is a, at least if I recallcorrectly.
One of the issues with thiswould Jada willing will was was
well, had an idea Of what hislife should look like and then

(51:13):
try to find somebody to buy intothat idea?
He just found somebody whodidn't buy into the idea.
Mm-hmm, jada wasn't with thevision of what he wanted to do
with his life.

T (51:22):
Maybe she was like 40% of the vision.
Yeah, I could work with theinfill in the rest.
That was not present thatthought that that wasn't gonna
be an issue that right there.

M (51:34):
Yeah what you just said.
T is ultimately the fuckingproblem.
Got relationships.
Right now it's still looking atpeople and saying here's who
you are and can I accept who youare.
They say, oh, you know whatDamn she looks good.
I could take that and I take Icould take it.
Mode her.
It's not, I don't.

T (51:53):
I don't know.
I don't know that that's what'shappening.
I think sometimes it's thechemistry.
The chemistry knocked you offyour socks.

M (52:00):
Mm-hmm.

T (52:00):
So drawn to them that that you, you don't err on the side
of logic.
Soon enough, soon enough, rightby the time you put logic in
place, 20 years later, andyou're like I don't want to be
this guy's everything, I don'twant this lifestyle like what?
No, this guy is a control freak.

(52:22):
This woman doesn't cook.
You don't realize this shittill it's too late, because now
you got logic and now thechemistry is gone.
So now you can actually seeclear.

Mac Da Don (52:36):
Yeah, the best part is your people.

T (52:39):
Have seen that already and they have probably told you.

M (52:55):
They told you.
Now you like, you're in adilemma.
Yeah fuck, I've been with for25 years and I ain't happy yeah
and then you start weighingComfortability versus the
unknown.

T (53:07):
Yeah, that's what really happens when you teach the
toddler in a separation, that'sright.
Yeah, that's a satiric daughterand you some other seven year
one right the average persononly gonna do about shoot two
months Maybe two months to twoyears right, most people's not
really gonna go like average JoeSchmoe, right.

(53:29):
If you financially can affordto Get about it, hey, that's
separation's not Now.

M (53:36):
We're not teeter-tottering for that long though we got to
go, because we got to move on,because we understand this is
dead end.
Yeah, I'm gonna continue to sithere and the dead is never
gonna change.
So I need to make a move.
So you make the move and getthe fuck out and go find someone
else that will love you.
But this is a point, like Isaid, this case you talk about a
lot of time, money, you know,yeah and that's the biggest

(53:57):
thing is that I wanted to Touchon that before we left.

Mac Da Don (54:00):
We left that idea.
How long do you wait?
Right, because I think that'sthe light issues that people get
stuck because you want to saylike, oh, I don't want to give
up on a relationship too fast.
Right, anything like damn, howlong does it take for somebody
to get it, whatever it is?
Whether how long does it takefor it to understand that, like,
we Need both of us tocontribute to maintain the

(54:21):
lifestyle that she wants, orlike how long does it take for
him to understand that?
Like, yeah, you might want todo this, but like I really don't
like when this, when thishappens, I wouldn't like having
your friends over all the time,or whatever People say, like all
away from the change, away forher to change, yeah, and then
you know, we end up having thisconversation of, like your 20
years deep, and you're likenigga, this ball fucking never
change.
And now I done wasted this hugechunk of time Because this

(54:45):
person never changed.
But then we also say that, likedivorce rates are OD 50%,
frickin women running at 70%clip to get divorced Because
their mates aren't for fillingwith a vision in the first, like
two years, right.
But then we also talk aboutrelationships that are, oh man,

(55:05):
they've been together eightyears and then, like in year
number eight, they finally putit all together and then they
were married for another 30.
So it's like when you find thetime to cut bait and in
realistically, a lot of peoplewonder and To me I'm like why
you gotta figure that out foryourself how long you want to
wait for somebody to make anadjustment for you that you
require In order to feel likeyou're living a complete life.

T (55:32):
I think that, first of all, most people when they separate,
it's not even a properseparation.
To figure that out, most peoplewhen they separate is like
First experience is like anger,right, whatever the first,
whatever it is that's kind ofprompting you to actually get
out of the house or out of thespace or away from your mate,
like that, probably fired up,like not, it's time to go.

(55:55):
So the headspace is off.
So, anytime you exit arelationship with a headspace is
just like off.
Is that a prolonged separation?
Right, it is it a definitelyprolonged a separation, because
now you're fighting, now there'sfriction, now we can't agree on
anything.
And if you can't agree onanything, you can't go to the
next phase.
Nope and so when you say howlong is the separation, you know

(56:19):
depends on who you talking to.
Some people separation was twomonths.
Other people's separation wasten years, like Straight up, nah
, mom lived upstairs, that liveddownstairs, that shit went on
for ten years.
Some people separation was shit18 years, didn't like her.
We had that youngest kid.
I didn't like him.
We had our youngest child andwe neither one of us was walking

(56:41):
about at his house until herass went to college.
And it depends.
Some people live, you knowtheir lifestyle, like how they
have to live, and you can, youall enter into a marriage, um,
as a means to protect, you know,your empire and whatever it is,
that's what's inside the empirethat needs to be protected, and
so that's why for all of usit's.

(57:02):
It's just a little bit weirdthat she has to expose all these
different elements of hermarriage.
Like we all get it, like, yeah,depression can't get out the
damn bit, but we all get it,because if you weren't there,
you know somebody who was there.
You sure, like we all get it,marriages ugly.
It's for better or for worse.

(57:24):
Sickness or in health, sickpeople Not.
It's not fun being married tosomeone who was ill Right.
It's not fun being married tosomeone who is an addict.
For any the for worse part canget bad in the marriage very bad

(57:45):
it can get bad.
Yes yes so the separation, wedon't, we don't know, but we
know it exists within a marriageand everybody don't need to
know when you and your spouse isseparated within your marriage.
And so y'all are alive, readyto divorce and keep it Going.
Y'all separate ways.
That's your business.

M (58:07):
Absolutely, and I go back to you.
Being adults, a lot of peopleact like grown-ass kids.

T (58:15):
Absolutely.
That's the anger talk about.

M (58:17):
Anybody didn't mad Mom, I should be mad.
Nobody's saying you should beyes If he fucked around on you,
if he bought back committee orsome shit like that.

T (58:26):
How long you gonna be mad for ?

M (58:28):
you gonna have to move.

T (58:30):
Be mad for cuz that committee had cleared up how many days.

M (58:34):
That's very true.

T (58:37):
Oh Okay, but now you got wheels now.
Now you good.
Now he messed up the insurance,she messed up the what.
How long we gonna be mad atthese things for before we can
real-life talk?

M (58:51):
and that's the problem People can't is you get so blinded by
the anger and in the distrustand all the other stuff it the
logic goes off the window.
That's we say okay, logic, comeback because I can't live here.

T (59:05):
Yeah, I'm here, but this is not what I'm supposed to live on
the fence?

M (59:08):
No, I gotta make a decision.
Is this is the worst?
Can I deal with this worse?
And could I have somethingworse than that?
I don't know it could be aelement that come and now I'm
with some fucked up disease thatI'm gonna need this person to
be in my life to help me with.
I didn't expect it to be thatway, but it just happened to be
that way.
So, if I understand it's, youhave to be adults in this

(59:30):
situation.
You can't act like a kid.
You can be mad, yes, but thatshit in this proper perspective.
If you can be mad forever andyou can't get over it, then in
the shit.
Yeah but don't sit around andwaddle.
And you know, every time youhave a fucking discussion is
always bring up.
And the other thing, when you,when you finally Accept, you
don't bring that shit up tenyears down the road.

T (59:50):
Remember ten years years, every every ten days later,
please come back home.
And then the snap.
You know how.
First of all you think a femalenow bringing that back up.
Oh, okay.

M (01:00:04):
Oh, you will.
Yeah, that's your mind, you'regonna.
She's gonna say we going all,since you got a track on your
phone track on your car tracker,put a goddamn I, I think, on
you, cuz that's your, trust you.

Mac Da Don (01:00:19):
But then my thing is is like I hear that all the
time and I guess, just like Isay, it's just because I feel
like it's all nonsense if I haveto go through that much work.
I'm just it's not worth it.
Yes, no, it's done.
Actually, it's done becauseI've lost my piece of mind.

T (01:00:33):
It's like, if there's no assets, we're arguing about.
Your deceit.
Don't prove my deceit for me,don't, don't.
Don't, help me prove my life?

M (01:00:51):
No, that's not that.

T (01:00:52):
I'll be damned if I'm gonna go through hoops to prove your
lie to you.

M (01:00:57):
You know you lying.
Oh exactly, I'll get out, yeah.

T (01:01:00):
So let's go and wrap this whole thing up and carry on.
I'm not buying no tags andputting that shit in your shoe.
No, I'm not doing it.

M (01:01:09):
Social media notice it.
That's too much, no.

Mac Da Don (01:01:12):
I know he will be follows all these women on IG
and I and I just hate and likehe's got photos of his ex.
Like if these are issues likepeople for some reason I guess
going relationships just don'tbe thinking about like shit,
that you really not okay withmm-hmm.
And like being honest withyourself because they say, oh, I
found somebody, like they havethis thing, but I can work on
that.
Like sometimes it's okay to saylike look, you're really cool

(01:01:33):
with your exes.

T (01:01:46):
It's okay.
Yeah, because they might be myfather girl who is poor, her
exes and he's cool with his exesand they're okay with each
other being cool with their exesor he got all these goddamn
exes cuz he ain't never know howto get rid of his exes and
Eventually is gonna bring themthat he's out of or she's out of

(01:02:06):
order.
Whichever one's doing it cuzyou know it can go both ways
it's gonna bring them eventuallyand say, oh, I actually don't
have any reason or business.
Keeping in touch with my exesis dumb and disrespectful and
out of order.
Yeah, like some things youcould just pass on.

M (01:02:24):
And you have to because again you know we're dealing with so
much just anger and confusion,and you know I'm just gonna say
Just communicate, just open yourmouth, and it's not about I
don't want her feelings.

T (01:02:41):
You being honest, you know she may not like, he may not
like some people aren't veryhonest and like honest about
themselves and where they're at,because you don't know.
Yeah, so you might be one footin and one foot out the door and
but you don't really know whichway you want to do, cuz you
don't really know how you reallyfeel that.

M (01:03:02):
Got make a decision you have to yeah life is somebody's got
make a fucking decision.

Mac Da Don (01:03:09):
If you can make decisions and you ideally should
have somebody across it whocould look at this and say, yeah
, no.

T (01:03:14):
Cuz we got close to door can't have one foot in and one
foot out of the door, not thewhole time.

Mac Da Don (01:03:18):
You've been together for years, you know, out of the
four years, three years offirst warning one out.
Yeah, you know about this life.

M (01:03:24):
Just go ahead and leave.
Just leave, because you'regonna get in life, you're gonna
drive in a road and you're gonnaget to a fork in a road.
We all do.
You had to go left or you goright.

Mac Da Don (01:03:35):
You can't just stand in the middle, no, no, no see
what niggas do is they fuckaround and say, alright, this is
about the fork in a road, letme go and hop in the back, put
on my four off-road tires andthen we just go.
He has to be on the bus and I'mflying left, right, mcdonald's

(01:03:57):
all over the car and some moreshit.
But you like, I just got downthe middle like I'm fine, we got
it.

M (01:04:02):
No, which I said you Decide to go in the middle.
What that means you made yourdecision.

Mac Da Don (01:04:09):
For you and I tell you all the time I want to make
a decision.

M (01:04:13):
You made a decision because when you made no decision, you
did make one.

T (01:04:17):
You just don't know what that end result gonna be yeah, but
you have someone else to make itfor you now and you don't want
to do that.

M (01:04:23):
You don't want.
You don't want fate to makeyour decision for you, because
you were too.

T (01:04:28):
In the size of, in the size of the childish, immature
kindness all that.

M (01:04:33):
So it's just like you know.

T (01:04:36):
People easy.

M (01:04:38):
Yeah, yes, People you got make decisions in your life.
You know we're talking aboutJada.
Jada is a small piece of smallpiece of sand in the beach of
life.
Everyone has to make some sortof decision about their
happiness and Don't, if you wereto someone you have to tear
them down to make yourself feelgood.
Just leave them.

(01:04:58):
It's not worth it.
There's some out there for you.
First of all, you got to findout who the hell you are before
you out there searching forfunds, finding someone.
Learn who you are, know who youare before you go out there and
start to look for people,because if not, you could be.

T (01:05:12):
I'll make Jada or will or both, I don't know what you
think to oh man, yes, y'all,y'all don't beat beat Jada up
too bad, y'all don't beat Jadaup too bad, that's.

M (01:05:27):
Okay.

T (01:05:31):
She catching a hot chair right now.
Yes, she was not pleased at all.
What was she saying?
Her video, her interviews aregoing very well, like the
interviewers are very much soreceive them, what she's saying
and understanding it.
But once you get to the podcastand those up YouTube reactions
and all that baby, oh no, thepeople are not pleased yeah no

(01:05:54):
keep your business For the restof us.
Keep you.
Let's keep our business toourselves.

M (01:05:59):
Yes, keep it to yourself, talk.
If y'all can't talk to eachother, they go see a therapist,
go to your synagogue, go to yourpriest, goes somebody have a
conversation.
But air your shit out in publicis not going to be good for
your marriage and in fact yourmarriage is probably over.
At that point.
You got to go outside and reachto other people.

T (01:06:18):
I mean it's gonna take some time to work on that, because
you know your marriage is notsupposed to be someone else's
like entertainment piece andthat's what's gonna end up
happening is that your personaland private affairs become
someone else's entertainmentpiece.
Now they're commenting, puttingtheir influences on you and how

(01:06:39):
you respond and react tocertain things.
Absolutely that's totally out oforder.
Now you can't even think andfigure out if you gonna go to
the left or to the right now,because someone's influencing
you To do something that youknow perhaps you want to done it
like that.

M (01:06:54):
Absolutely, as always, you always end up with that clear.
Vision of what people should dolisten to us again, people.
We tell you we, we're married,been married for a long time.
So we're telling you fromexperience.
You know, again, if y'all can'ttalk about it among yourselves,
talk to someone else, you know.
And with that, this is.

(01:07:14):
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