Exploring the World of Masonry: Brotherhood, Tradition, and Leadership with R:. W:. Bill Catsulis

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey Chris.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Fred, what's a Mason?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
That's a really good question, fred.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
You've reached the internet's home for all things
masonry.
Join Chris and I as we plumbthe depths of our ancient craft,
from the common gavel to thetrowel.
Nothing is off the table, sograb your tools and let's get to
work.
This is On the Level.
Well, chris, here we are again.
Yeah, there it is.
I am going to record that.

(00:36):
And then every time I clickthis button right here.
This pink one is going to makethat sound.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
What's the pink sound right now?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I can't.
I can't do it.
It's a bad sound.
It doesn't have any soundwhatsoever.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh, that was disappointing, sorry, this one's
good though.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
That's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
That's kind of like a Batman.
That's what I'm trying to placethat it's Batman.
Yeah, yeah, I was like BiffoBiffo, that's right, that's
awesome man.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
That's awesome.
Well, here we are 2023 GrandCommunication.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Orlando.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yes, doing this would be our third interview that
we've done and they've gonereally well.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I really enjoyed.
Those are the lies we tellourselves.
That's the lies we tellourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
The interviews have gone well.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Great, everything's fine, everyone's happy.
No one's killed me.
Well, it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Before we banter ourselves right out of a job.
This you're not prepared forthis.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Apparently.
We were told about this nextguest yeah to just hold on to
your hat.
Let's say he's the man, themyth and the legend of Bill Katz
.
It's oh, and you know what Ibet.
I just said his name wrong.
What I think?
Because name is everyonepronounces wrong.
I've heard many people say yourname.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Almost everybody gets out of the way right now.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, I'm curious of the actual, correct way to
pronounce your last name Correctpronunciation, sir Please.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Katzulis, katzulis, common spelling Katzulis.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Okay, so you can read it phonographically.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
So, and your current title would be State chairman
Masonic leadership training.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Past district.
Deputy grandmaster Right RightRight Katzulis.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
See how hard it is If you say it three times.
You'll never forget it Katzulis, katzulis, katzulis.
There we go.
This is a worst nightmare forBill.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
I haven't heard that name pronounced so wrongly so
many times yeah, I do too, sucha short period of time Right.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah so oh from us.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
So clearly you already know that we have no
idea what we're doing.
So, we like to get that partout of the way.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, there's immediately.
The expectation should be set.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
The expectation should always be set low, and
then there's nowhere to go butup.
Yeah, that's kind of been ourphilosophy, on and off, I don't
know.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
But yeah, we have Right, we're full bill Katzulis
with us, which is so excitingfor me because you're such an
awesome Mason.
I mean you really are.
I mean, aside from being afriend, personally I consider
you a friend.
There are a few people inMasonry, outside of my little
district, you know, firststarted with my lodge and that's
all I knew.
That was Masonry to me, thatlodge.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
So sure, everybody starts right there.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
And then I realized I could go to another lodge and I
was like wait, guys are evencooler over here and they're
doing even cooler stuff Likethis is awesome.
And I first I was like I haveto join every lodge.
That, I think is awesome.
And I had.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
I joined multiple lodges and now you're out of
money.
Now I'm like wait, right, York,right, trying money, money.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
And like okay, I better repair this.
I can still help and not be amember of every lodge, but you
are an example, I think, of howMason should behave, because
you're really passionate aboutthings, but you do something
about something positive and youmake actually change that
affects the entire state.
You have a state chairman.

(04:00):
Change the Masonic LeadershipTraining Program for the better.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Well, thank you, I appreciate it.
It's very nice, that's verynice.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Which is hard to do because I hate the program.
I'll say that and I've told youthis and I've told everyone
that will listen to me I don'thate the program.
What is frustrating about thatprogram is they made it
mandatory and I know it was aproblem because I saw you guys
scrambling at the end of everyyear.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
you know like every December, you're like.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I'm sure you guys got no sleep for the entire month
of December and January becausethere are so many of those going
on just to get these guysinstalled.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Right, you know, after three years of being
mandatory and working our way upto where the worst will master,
and all three officers had tobe completed.
It wasn't mad scramble at theend of last year, because it
wasn't quite well every year.
That's frankly those brotherswho were supposed to have this.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
They know they're supposed to do it.
They know they're supposed tohave it.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
We keep telling them and they waited and waited and
waited and I'll get it.
Later I'll catch a zoom orwhatever, and at the end we
always made the time.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, you did to get in the classes.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
And I think that after two years of that I didn't
even put the legislation inthat made it mandatory prior to
nomination.
Somebody else did, a brotherwho had nothing to do with the
program.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
He was not a district chairman or zone chairman.
It makes sense.
Right, and it does make sense.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah that makes sense .

Speaker 3 (05:27):
So if you don't have the time to, because what?

Speaker 2 (05:29):
was happening.
He's a new mayor since, so it'slike my wife.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I'm an old man but a new mayor.
He's a year Right, a year and ahalf.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Two years.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
So he's making a difference too after that short
period of time.
Oh yeah, he's a.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Tyler in the lodge and he's actually was chairman
of our lodge property committee,so he was doing a lot of the
remodeling on the lodge and hegot this podcast going and now
he's talking to Mason's all overthe world.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
All over the world, yeah in two years it's been.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
I tell people at Aint the Years it's the miles.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Well, it's an idea that you get that you don't keep
to yourself, and that's where alot of the innovations in.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
That's good, very good when have we heard this
before?

Speaker 3 (06:10):
It's an idea Most worship will foster the same
thing Really.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, exact words came out of his mouth.
It's just an idea.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
And that's what the MLT is about.
It's not about.
Hey, you have to do it this way.
And I've premised, and havealways premised the classes with
hey look, this is not grandlodge, cramming this down your
throat.
Let me just tell you what MLTis.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Please, this is for the listeners.
Nobody's going to say it betterthan you, so please.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
MLT is a 15-module syllabus to help a new brother
or a old brother learn theintricacies of the operations of
a Masonic lodge.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
And prepare them to lead it.
One day.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, but it's not a one gig thing.
It's many gigs, it's manyworkshops through your whole
Masonic career, even after youbecome a master, and get out of
the East and go on to furtheroffice or not.
It's a treasure trove, a trough.
I like to say Grand Lodge isnot cramming this down your

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throat.
Grand Lodge is saying here look, we're having problems in the
lodges.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, the lodges don't seem to want to take
control of their own destiny andfix it themselves, because a
lot of them are rushed throughthe line to the.
East.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
That's very true.
Don't have the information.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
So here's Grand Lodge First.
We'll addro put this programtogether.
Oh, and I didn't know thatcreated a book and Grand Lodge
adopted it.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Okay, and so he wrote this program.
He wrote this program Wow.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
So that's.
That's a big work, man.
Big work yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
So here it is, we're teaching this information or
putting this information outthere, and I tell them it's.
It's not Grand Lodge, crammingit down your throat.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Right.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
It's.
It's an idea.
It's a lot of ideas on manydifferent topics.
Ritual how to do a lodge budget.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
You know the officer's duties committees.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
What are they?
How should they?

Speaker 1 (08:12):
function how should they exactly?

Speaker 3 (08:14):
all this information and it's again.
It goes right back to what Isaid before.
It's the idea.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
You know, what idea does Chris Burns take from one
PowerPoint module that he takesback to Sarasota Lodge and
becomes a good master because heimplemented that one idea Right
, if there's 20 guys in a classand each one of them take 20
ideas back.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Well, that's the other beauty of this.
This program is that it isinvolves people.
So you do have a syllabus, likeyou said, and you have required
content that you do cover, butI know a lot of the program
winds up being conversationsbetween people that are there.
That's the beauty of it.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
It's the idea the idea of what you do in your
lodge and you do in your lodgeand what I do in my lodge that I
bring to the table and we talkabout it.
And when we started doing these, the Zoom classes, which was
new technology during thepandemic, not new, not new but

(09:14):
we had to do it.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
It was new for Freemasonry.
It was new for Freemasonry, ofcourse.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
And so there was less interaction from the audience.
Yeah, because of the way Zoomworks.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Right, but you can still get some, or doesn't work?

Speaker 3 (09:30):
No, we still do some, but the last two years we've
been trying to get back into thelodges so that.
Sarasota and.
Manatee can get together andhave a class together and things
like that and exchange thoseideas.
The fellowship is not in a Zoom, you don't have that Right.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, you don't even know who's there.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
You're shaking hands, you're seeing faces, but I
recognize men from thisfraternity at the Grand Lodge,
like right now from having haddiscourse with them.
But you're looking into acamera and you're not having
that same discourse.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, it checks the box.
You can reach more people, youknow, because something, the
real thing didn't happen.
This isn't adequate, but it'ssomething that's really all Zoom
.
It fulfills it, but you're notgetting.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
I don't get anything from doing Zoom stuff, sitting
down and having breakfast witheach other staying late having
lunch, going to the pubafterwards and talking about hey
you know I really like thatidea about giving coats to kids.
Everybody going their closetand bringing your old winter
coats and you're putting themback into society for those less

(10:42):
fortunate than us.
It was a great idea that cameto me from that?

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Wow, that's awesome.
We don't do that at our lodge,but a idea a singular idea can
be put to use.
Because somebody shared that.
Somebody shared it in an MLTprogram, so this is what it's
about.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, I love that it's not just about saying hey,
you must do this.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
You should do this.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
What they should right.
They should, I mean theyabsolutely should.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
But there's a difference between must and
should you know there are thingsin the MLT that are must and
shall, but most of it is hey, ifyou want to have a lodge budget
, here's a basic deal that youcan start with and put it into
play.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
It gives you a template, you know ritual.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
You're not going to get anything for ritual out of
MLT except ideas of how toimprove.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Right ritual if you want to improve ritual.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
You have to do it yourself practice is yeah, right
nobody can do it for me.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
No, that's right open books.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
I have to open my own book up.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I have to study practice unless you're one of
those freaks with the.
There are, yeah one.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
I know a guy that got a gold card I do here.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
You know I got a card less than a year, but it's too
hard to work hard work.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Memorization nobody can do that for you.
No, no one can do that.
That's right, you have to do it.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
And, anyways, you wouldn't want anyone to do it
for you.
If you truly want to know theexperience, Sure of what masonry
is you?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
you want to do the work honestly, honestly, when I
that is any doing, the work isDoing.
The work is.
That's what we're here to do islabor work.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Esoteric, masonic, esoteric teaching is doing the
work.
We've gone through this beforemany times but for me, like in
E8, when I first went through it, I'd never memorized anything
in my life.
Man, and honestly, goingthrough that as an old man,
going through that, I thoughtwait, wait, wait.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
An old man in this room maybe, but not in the
fraternity.
No, he's young man, I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
That's why I joined masonry, so at 60 years old I
could still be the.
Yeah Saying you're not that old, I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
But but and while you say that yeah, yeah.
We have a new a in our, I meana new master mason in our lodge
and he's and what I?
Just your large or an and largenumber, 117 or 170, go on and
you know we had thisconversation he's he's really
excited about getting young guys, young guys, young guys in the
lodge.
And I said, well, wait a minute, I'm 57 years old and my is

(13:09):
that.
Is that old?

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I mean, is that old?

Speaker 3 (13:12):
it's old right right but into the fraternity is not,
and do I have something to offeras a 57?

Speaker 2 (13:17):
year old fixation on young men.
I don't know, I don't know that, but yeah, but it seems like we
have to say that thing likeyeah.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
I would be happy to have 10 57 year olds.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, who have a good job.
I'm happy to totally agree.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Here's, here's my point about young man Don't,
don't, don't run yourself down.
No, no, I don't mean to be anold man right, right, but yeah,
fred.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah.
Chris with you.
Ah, I hate the buttons, it's mypreoccupation with young men is
that.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Here we go.
Is this?
I'm ignoring that entire pun.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Do you have a ice cream truck?

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Oh, they warned us about you, but I'm not gonna
give up.
If I found Freemasonry at 35years old, my life would have
been very different.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
So I can't meet.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
I can't go back in time, but what I can do is
introduce these young men tosomething that I think could
really really impact their livesin a very positive way.
And, make no mistake, there's alot of young men in this
country.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, seriously need this absolutely, and that's
where that's my preoccupation.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Honestly wanted to back to my other story.
I've had coffee, so I'm notgonna forget anything here we go
because I'm back on, uh-huh,when I when I was in EA.
That memory was just.
It was so hard for me.
But the memorization of thecatechism was so difficult.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I remember you almost never.
I almost quit, your instructortold me I thought I had some
sort of cognitive difficulty.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
It was so hard.
But then Kevin was just likestay with it, stay with me with
it.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
We merged we merged with it.
He told me hey, I'm gonna losethis guy.
He's really not enjoying this.
And I said what can we do?
Look, we got another class atalmost the same point.
Let's join him together.
He's gonna have to do less workand they'll work together.
It'll be in the end.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's gonna be good for which was appreciated, but
that's not what did it for me.
What did it for me Was there'sno audio.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
But he has angered.
Bill is throwing things around.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
We knew it was gonna come to them, not even Italian.
I talked with my hands.
I wasn't even talking and Iknocked the microphone over.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Sorry, but having having just made a decision, you
know what I'm not gonna give upon this.
I'm not getting up on yeah,we're doing yeah, so I did it
and you know, by the time, youknow, by the time I got to
fellowcraft, I had the entirecatechism down by memory.
You know, frontwards andbackwards, and and and same with
master Mason.
And I've gone back one of our,one of the things that we've

(15:57):
made, a decision, seven of uscame up together and what?

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Two groups and we merged.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
When he merged the two groups together so that we
could go forward, we made adecision because we had been
been brought up so quickly.
We have made a decision to goback and we went back to EA.
We studied the mentors manualtogether.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Nice fellowcraft.
Look at it, master Mason.
How many guys from your class,our mentors now?

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Oh, four of them, right four.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, and our mentorship, our actual,
mentorship program is reallyrobust.
Yeah, you know, in our in ourlodge, those guys saw something
that we are missing.
Yeah, that they realized wasimportant and they they really
like just ran with that.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
You know what's so funny about you stating that is
that not all the lodges followwhat the Grand Lodge
requirements are yes, I don'tknow what chapter 38 is, things
like that.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
You know they just don't.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, when I joined the fraternity I didn't.
I didn't learn about that untilI started teaching MLT, right
when I was a senior deacon.
You know, I came out of GrandLodge as the zone what year was
that?
Chairman.
It was 2000 and Roughly.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
you don't need to be exact, I'm just 11, Okay, so all
right they didn't have a zonechairman.
This is early, okay, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
and the book was out but there weren't all.
15 modules were made.
I made a lot of those as thezone chairman.
Okay and put them in the system, and they've evolved over the
years.
Yeah, but I know what 38 wasuntil I became the district and
zone chairman.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
I.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Also didn't know that you could ask a man to join our
fraternity in Florida.
Okay, yeah, so when I went andstarted teaching this as a
senior deacon to 50 year masonsand Current secretaries and
treasures and masters?
Yeah, and I'd ask that question.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
How'd that go?
It went great.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
I was very shy and introverted when I was doing
these classes.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Oh yeah lying.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
So here's what, here's what I said, and this,
this really has led into a greatlittle thing here, but you know
we, a lot of brothers didn'tknow the basic information.
Yeah, until absolutely startedtaking the MLT's and getting
that information From somebodyjust like them who didn't know.
I didn't know the informationuntil I started teaching it

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right.
And so the biggest thing for mewas the one about you know, can
you ask a non, can a Mason ask anon-mason to join Mm-hmm?
And I had it put in as a when Iwrote the slide because you had
the question yourself.
I had the question myself and Iput, I put it, put it in there
as a pop quiz and and at thattime it was 99 to 1 people

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thought the wrong thing.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
They thought the wrong thing.
That's incredible.
A masonry was yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
They thought the wrong thing, yeah, and there was
many men who stood up, this oneguy lucky, who was a big-time
secretary, past district deputy,and he's he's passed on now,
god bless him.
But we had a not an argumentbut a discussion about this and
he was like look, you have tocome of your own free will on a
court.
And I said, sure, and myargument has been since that day

(19:04):
to today, as a matter of factabsolutely, you're right.
So when a guy fills out hispetition, that signs it and he.
Right right to check to thelodge and then you go to his
house and you visit his wife andhis family.
He lets you in and then he getsthe ballot and he passes the

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ballot and then you come tolodging, you take him into the
preparation, repair him and thesenior deacon comes out and
gives a senior deacon's lectureand he has to answer that
question.
Correct, Masonically you know,and then he goes to the door and
that question is askedpreparation he.
Becomes blind and naked, youknow whatever right and he's
asked it at the door and yeah.

(19:46):
Does.
That same question is asked sixtimes in the lodge right, nine
times.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, we make sure, we make damn sure.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
I think, I think pretty much that he's there of
his own free will on a court.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah that's right, that's right so but it's
different now.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Like how would anyone in today's world really like
ever think about free masonry ifthey're not amazing, like when
would it even come up in theirlife that like they would have
an opportunity to be like?
Oh yeah, I'm curious about that.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Never ever.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
They're not making movies about it, they're not
making documentaries about it,you're no one at work is talking
about it.
So how the hell are thesepeople supposed to know we exist
?
The?

Speaker 3 (20:21):
number one recruitment tool is Brothers
contact with their friends,their family and yeah, I
question back man back to thesame thing was In that same
conversation and I still use itwhen I teach the class today,
which I don't do enough of, butI don't teach it, but when I do
and I'm on that topic it's likeimagine how many fathers,

(20:44):
brothers, sons okay, your boss,how many bosses have not been
invited to join the dirty.
How many?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I know them so I'm gonna.
I don't want to do that to thefraternity.
What about cousins?
You are brother-in-law andyou're right and you're how many
?

Speaker 3 (20:59):
how many People do you meet when you talk about
free masonry and they say my dadwas a mason right?
How come you're not right,because nobody's ever asked me
right.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
So so that's, and let's just clarify that real
quick.
So what you're, what you'resaying, is Asking someone to
become a mason?
Is you overtly saying, hey, Ican I ask you a question?
Yeah, sure, I'm involved in anorganization and I think it'd be
really beneficial for you.
Would you like to come to anopen house with me?
I'm a mason, that's what youtalk about something, something

(21:30):
like that I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
It is lawful for me to say to you, right, my boss,
who's given me the keys to yourbuilding?
You right the combination toyour safe.
You trust me enough Witheverything you have right.
I trust you enough Witheverything I have my wife, my
kids, my family, my brothers, mylodge Right.

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I want you to come with me andI want you to become a freemason
and sit in lodge with me,because the level of trust she's
given me, I can see that you'rea man of integrity right.
I want you to be a part of thisorganization and that's part of
Masonic law in Florida.
That's legal.
That is legal.
And how come nobody knows this?
I think because they don't goto MLT no yeah you're right,

(22:16):
because they don't go to MLT.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
It only became a thing in MLT because you added
it.
Well, but.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
I'm telling you right now, there are conversations
out there where it's exactly theopposite.
There's an actual ongoingconversation.
We went, we, we spoke at theHillsborough Symposium, mm-hmm,
and we were talking about beingthe fact that you know that that
conversation about technologybeing overtly Evangelistic in

(22:42):
nature with regard to Masonry,people and there's people and
there's people have a problemwith it.
Yes, they don't realize that itis Legal.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Masonically.
Well, grand lodge is paying forit.
Grand lodge is not a good thing.
They're okay with it.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
I just think that point, that point needs to be
driven home to more and morebrothers.
They need to understand thatit's okay.
Yeah as a matter of fact, it'sprobably preferable that you sit
down with people you trust.
First thing in foremost, theyhave to be a good fit for us.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
There.
There is Verbiage in the digestthat tells you what the rules
on that are.
What you have one time and areminder.
That's it right but you know,it doesn't say how strong that
that Overture is in thebeginning sure, sure, chris,
yeah, cuz it could be a man Looklook, you already got the keys
in my house.
I was.
I was at a golf tournament inPensacola With some friends and

(23:33):
went to Waffle House to havebreakfast and I wear a Masonic
pin on my, on my collar of mypolo shirt like a square and
compass, square compass, that'sall it is.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, universally.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
No, guys hey that's all you're amazing and I said I
am.
He said you know, my next-doorneighbor's a Mason.
He gave me the keys to hishouse and and he said I can go
in his garage and anything Iwant.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh my god, and when he's out of town.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
And I said, and he said he's asked me to be a Mason
a couple times and I said whyhaven't you goes?
I don't know.
And I said, well, look, if theguy's got, given you the keys to
his house and you can use histools anytime, and he's asking
you to be a Mason.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I think you should go to the lodge and sign up
because you're the kind of manthat we want in the fraternity
that we can trust with ourfamily.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, I love that.
That's a power and it's anabsolutely true story.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah and I can see it just like.
Like today was, can't oh mylodge it, you know, and one of
the guys at table with me, I hadjust had just become an entered
apprentice, so a friend of mine, but it happens all the time,
just like that.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, man, yeah, why aren't you a Mason?
Yeah, you live this life,exemplary life.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I like what you said too.
You're the kind of guy we want.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, in our fraternity.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yes, you're the kind of guy that we want here, and
whether you want this is I'mgonna take your 18, whether
you're 18, you.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Right 70 you still have.
That's right, you have.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
You know, and so this about young guys I get it there
.
They can be in the fraternityfor 50 years, but there's a guy
who can maybe only be in thefraternity for another 24 he
dies or yeah it doesn't matter.
Right, integrity, right.
It's less like, has no agelimit.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
The problem is when you want all those young guys.
Here's what's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
They got kids, they got a job, they got a wife.
They got a bunch of stuff goingon and You're gonna tell them
that now they got to spend fourdays a week in this lodge.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
No, you know it ain't gonna have.
You ain't got a spending can incan have days, man, that's what
some lodges.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
No, that's what you want, want no, I don't give four
days, I don't.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
I can't, I'm too, I'm too busy.
Right, I can give you give meall the day when it's my time to
give that right you'll get me100% and that's invaluable to
that lodge.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yes and all your history, all your experiences,
all the life things that havehappened to you are now
available to all the men of that.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
But not everybody can do that.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
No, that's true.
That's true, but really becauseof the scheduling yeah family
especially younger guys, youngerguys but.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
But the expectation needs to be appropriate to a
younger guy.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Look, you got, you got it, you got it.
Yeah, you got a wife you reallyneed a pregnant wife and two
little ones at home.
Yeah, you got a new job and youjust bought a home and now
you're here wanting to be amason.
Fine, but here's, here's, letme.
Let me tell you about the cabletow, let me tell you about the
24-inch gauge man, because,because it's gonna come into
play in a big way for you.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, right, so we'll , hey, we'll.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
You know we'll be more than happy to welcome you
in.
You're the kind of guy we wanthere.
However, you need to understandthat there are men who give a
lot of time in this lodge.
You're not gonna be one of them.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
So if I'm right digress from this topic.
You may not, don't.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Okay, so not to be a continuous commercial please,
continuous commercial MLT.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
We need it, but there are people we're working on
lodge renewal and one of thethings is, you know, when you
say lodge renewal you mean like,like the Lodge renewal, just
everything is a whole list, it'spart of the syllabus.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
But yep, but there's, there's a lot of people.
Our fraternity.
As far as membershipdevelopment goes, yeah, okay.
So you know, the files in amasonic lodge and the
secretaries are full of enteredapprentices and fellow crafts
that never finished.
Never finished.
Yeah because it's quitepossible that those guys were
young.
Yes and had a family.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
I had a sick parent.
They're taking care of hersomething.
Mm-hmm and they're afraid tocome back because they don't
know how they'll be accepted.
Yeah, okay.
So yeah, let's, let's gocultivate that, and we're doing
that in our lodge, right?
Now Really secretary has names.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Excellent.
He's pulling them out just justand we're gonna send him a
letter checking back in check.
Hey, we know life yeah hardSometimes.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
That's awesome and they're already entered
apprentice.
So yeah is some studying, andonce they study and they pass
our catechism in the lodge, wedo an investigation and then we
decide.
The lodge decides if he shouldbe passed a fellow craft right
but they're already passed mostof the hurdles right.
Yeah, they're a brother for therest of their lives.
Why aren't we cultivating?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
that's great.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
I don't know I don't know, I didn't think of that.
That's a great idea.
I don't know, I didn't think ofthat.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
So it's in the MLT.
It's in that class.
But here's the deal, when youthat's why you have to go
continually, because you miss ityou got up to go take a phone
call and you miss that part ofthe.
Mlt, so yeah, as the worst formaster worship will burns when
you have the MLT's in your lodge.
Hey, pay attention.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I would love to have them.
I'll use my lodge first, youwill second, and I had that
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
We need that because I got.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
I gotta get it done.
I've had that listen.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
I'll come personally and do it you know, come on,
we'll have to do that.
No, I want to it would be anhonor.
It'd be an honor, but no, youdo not have to do that, so I
know you have.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
We'll.
I promise it's gonna get done.
I that's 100% yeah wedefinitely.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
When he says it it's gonna happen.
I want because I don't haveforever with you.
I want people outside ofFlorida to get to know who you
are a little bit more, because Ithink everyone in the beach
interview over I was born awoman.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
There's two of me.
Okay, that's.
That's pretty tough for somepeople.
They say I'm like strongmedicine, good and small doses.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Great and small this.
But you know, I want peoplebecause everyone in Florida
knows who you are.
You are the state chairman fromMasonic.
You've done a lot inFreemasonry, but that is what
everyone probably knows you as,because they've touched in Some
way in the last you know.
Since you've been doing this,your names come up, so they know
you as the state guy for thisprogram.

(29:53):
But you've done a hell of a lotmore than that in Freemasonry
and continue to do a lot morethan that in Freemasonry and
outside the fraternity.
I want you to talk a little bitabout how you got involved in
what you're doing with the DCstuff with the Washington's
gavel.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I know that you were.
You're integral in that.
I see every year you're, you're, you're kind of like the guy
who's organizing this.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
I'm sure there's a history here behind this and I
really like to know.
It's a great Masonic story.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
I would love to hear it absolutely is I'm.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
The past master of my lodge, Glenn Garner.
Right where's for Glenn Garner?
A lot of people know him aswell okay, and which district is
?
That he's in in the 12thMasonic district.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
You said 12 be the 15th okay.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
So he says I'm.
He said I'm going to WashingtonDC for a conference to do some
work and Immediately I'm likenot even Masonic, just go on
there to do some work, Okay youknow, immediately my brain's
going hey, what logic going toyeah oh, I don't have time to go
to lodge up there, I don't evergo.
I said, man, you got to takeyour apron and you got to go to

(31:00):
a lodge.
I mean, how can you go toWashington DC, yeah, and not
find someone?

Speaker 1 (31:04):
right, Absolutely yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
I mean those lodges up there 1790s right.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, I've been amazing.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
It's amazing.
So you know, I travel theWashington Memorial for getting.
I'm gonna give you a little.
I have books and when I joinedthe fraternity I started writing
a little, these little moldbooks every media.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Fred does that to, I do that.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, I've got four of them full.
I've been over 700 Todd lodgemeetings and wow.
So I travel.
If I'm working, I'm finding alarge.
Yeah, you know, do it.
Why not?
So I'm like man, you got to goto a lodge, glenn, how do you
not do this?
So I didn't think anything ofit.
About ten days later he callsme at midnight and I'm laying in

(31:48):
bed.
He's like hey.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I gotta talk to you when I said oh man, oh the
midnight call the morning, hesaid.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
I took my apron.
I went to a lodge.
I said just Glenn, call me inthe morning 7 am.
Oh my god what he didn't sleep.
You know, sling blades on thephone, Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
I got a gavel in mustard.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Exactly, and he's like man, you ain't gonna
believe this.
I said what he said.
Well, I went to a lodge.
I got in a phone book there'sJapanese lodges and English
lodges and French lodges, and hesaid so I settled on this one
lodge and I Go down this alleyand I come with this door and
push a buzzer and they come, letme in.
This is Potomac lodge numberfive in Georgetown number five

(32:41):
Wow you know.
So I'm like cool and he's likethere's more.
Then I'm like what he said theyhave George watching.
This is gavel.
And I said damn.
He said, yeah, they have thegavel that he used to lay the
cornerstone of the United StatesCapitol.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
And I'm like, oh my god right, you know, now I'm
wide awake.
Why didn't you call me earlier?
Why don't you tell me that lastnight?

Speaker 3 (33:11):
What the hell man?
I'm sitting there just likeshaking and he says I said what,
did you see it?
And he goes no, it's in a bankvault across the street and this
bank vault is so special thatthey put a glass front on it so
you can see it when you go intothe bank.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Wow, and there's a little property of that lodge.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
It belongs to lodge and it's got an electric light
in it so you can see it and I'mlike Wow, you can see it from
the outside he says any saysthere's more.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Is this the?
Is this the alabaster gavel?
This is marble.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
It's the same marble.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
It's like white, it's white.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Okay, you're right, at least five pounds.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, so you know there's no replicas of that.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah there is, I'll take that.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I couldn't find one when I was trying to be master.
I was looking for and no itdidn't, it didn't know.
This is called a rabbit hole,no.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
So okay, so they don't make full-size replicas.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
They're three orders Okay.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, because there's gonna be no mistake, and I'll
tell you why in just a minute.
So okay, so.
Glenn's like there's more.
It travels.
They take it all over thecountry really and I'm like holy
moly.
I said well, what's it taking?
He told me the security needsand things like that and I said
I'll call you right back.
Then I picked up the phone.

(34:32):
I called my buddy, leo Smith,said Leo, I need a little help,
I need some security For theGeorge Washington gavel in Ocala
.
Hmm, but I went a little far.
I asked Glenn, did you see it?
And Glenn's words to me were no, I Want to bring it to Florida

(34:53):
and show it to my brothers andI'll see it when they get to see
it.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Mmm.
Oh wow, awesome right.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Well, that's, that's free masonry right.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah, how Masonic of you.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
So this guy has like it has like a set schedule of
words, so it travels.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
So I'm like okay.
So he tells me this, he tellsme what it needs, how much it
costs, Gets an appellate caselocked to a guy's hand.
It's like serious, it's anational treasure.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Is it absolutely?
Is it's random every year whereit goes, or do they, like you,
can apply to get it Okay?
So that's how we have to put anapplication in and things like
that lodge it's so he's like no,I'm not gonna look till.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Everybody else gets to see it.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
How long did that take?

Speaker 3 (35:32):
so from that conversation, well, so from from
the conversation that morning,I Once he told me that and told
me the parameters.
I said I'll call you right back, because he said I want to
bring it to Ocala, wow, to showit to my brothers, and if I got
a pay for it myself, I canafford to do that.

(35:52):
And I said well, you want to doit alone?
Nice so, but let's see what wecan do, because we could do it,
as I said, let me call you back.
Let me call you back.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Let me just you know.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
I'm shutting it down.
I got a call my buddy.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Leo Smith, he does security he does security.
He's a retired lieutenant inthe Marion County Sheriff's
Department.
Oh, and a lot of people knowour sheriff now, billy Woods.
All right, okay, he's been intosome national news lately.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
I don't know anyways.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
So he says I Called Leo and wake him up and I said,
look, I got this opportunity Tobring this national treasure to
Ocala.
I don't know much aboutanything.
Right what we're gonna do withit or how we're gonna do it
right.
But I need some security, andwould you do that for me?
Then he said absolutely nice.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Can they bring it to the elves club Really?

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah so I said, let's see what's going on, you know,
okay.
So he's all, I'm all jacked upand I, and so I called them back
and I said make it happen.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
He said, well, we gotta do all this other stuff,
and I was coming in as adistrict deputy at the time.
Oh busy, so we called the GrandMaster.
Yeah and you know most worstwill Hudson.
At the time he was a deputyGrand Master and he was like,
okay, make it happen, so we getall this stuff put together.
You had Grand Lodge sanction it.
No well, kind of Grand Lodgedidn't have anything to do with
it.
Oh, it's strictly the district.

(37:17):
And we came together and therewas some issues and you know
you're talking about somethingthe first time, not everybody
knowing what was right.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, there's a lot of logistics.
It's gotta be a lot oflogistics, you know planes and
no planes, just airplanes.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Security TSA.
Wow, it's the first time it hadflown since 9-11.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
And it's a weapon.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
It's a weapon, you know.
It's a hammer.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I guess yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
It's bigger than a bread box.
Sure, you know you're travelingwith this stuff and there's
three guys that are with it, youknow security-wise.
So we started a dialogue withPotomac Lodge, number five
official dialogue Through theGrand Lodge.
Well, no, through the districtand their lodge the.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Lodge owns it not the DC Grand Lodge.
So I don't have to go throughGrand Lodge.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
So Potomac Five owns it, yeah, but I am assuring you
that we did talk to MostWorshippers Lynn about the
parameters of talking to peoplein DC yeah, we got all that
stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
You wanted to dot your I's and cross your T's and
you don't want to get your pantsdown.
No, that's right.
That's right.
That was a scabble in Florida.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Most Richard Lynn he knows how to squelch things.
So we started working, we gotit done and we picked these guys
up at the airport.
We had a state trooperfollowing us around and all this
kind of stuff.
It was really awesome.
It was a wonderful thing.
So the first time you did itwas when you got it done 2016,.
They brought it down, webrought it to and there was a

(38:47):
big team of us that worked onthis, and so we brought it to my
office.
Well, they came to my officefirst.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
At your work.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
At my work to change clothes to go to the high school
.
So we went straight from theairport to my office.
They changed into suits.
We went to the high school.
The superintendent schools werethere.
We got permission to wear ouraprons at the high school.
No kidding we showed it to twoauditoriums full 35-year-old
kids.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
What.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Whoa, when you were dressed down as Masons and we
were in suits and ties with ouraprons.
He must have felt so proud.
Oh my god, and that moment.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
And so here's these high school kids.
It was 1,600 Masons, not 35.
It was 1,600.
We figured there was 3,500pictures taken If each person
took two pictures.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Right right.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
The superintendent schools were there.
They shut the high school down,basically, and it was all
seniors and we had it on a tablein the open, no glass over it,
just sitting on this table withthe wrapper, the cover, and the
students followed by and got tobe within a foot of it and see

(39:55):
it, one girl was crying, she waswearing red white and blue
dress and she was crying.
And they told this story, how ithappened and who told the story
One of the worst for MichaelSiebert, who was the worst for
Master Potomac at the time.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
He's, he came down with.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
They came down with it Gotcha, so we told this story
of like how they got it Well.
I'll tell you how they got in aminute, but I want to tell you
the story that he told whenGeorge Washington used the gavel
on September 18, 1793 andwrapped in a Masonic ceremony as
the president of the UnitedStates, as well as a Mason in

(40:37):
his Masonic regalia.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
He wrapped that gavel , did the corn, wine and oil
ceremony.
The level and the trowel werethere.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
I mean, we've seen paintings of that.
That's right, you've seenpaintings of that.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Yes, and his words to the students were the sound of
that gavel.
Wrapping on that piece ofmarble was notification to King
George that we were setting outon an experiment of self

(41:13):
government and not government bybirth.
And he's telling these highschool seniors that this
artifact of American history wasused.
Herald it in this chain To makethat noise, to say listen here,
buddy.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
We're doing this on our terms.
Take that, you know what I mean.
So you think about how powerfulthat is that piece of stone
right there.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
And you guys are all decked out as Masons.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
And we're Masons.
So these kids, their minds areblown right now.
Yeah, and they're like what?
George?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Washington was a Freemason.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
What?
Then they all left and theybrought in another 800 students
into this room and then they didit again and we packed it up
and went back to my office andwe changed, had barbecue.
You know it's sitting in alittle case to handcuff the guys
for risk, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Oh my goodness, and it was just unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
So we took it to the Elst Club the next day.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
You did the.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Elst.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Club.
We did the Elst Club.
I love it.
They took it out.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
And they gave the story and there was a grown man
he was probably 80 years old whowas standing there two feet
from it, crying, sobbing yeah,because he was in the presence
of this artifact from thebeginning of our country.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
That's powerful.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
And then we took it to the college and put it on the
desk at the college and thepresident of the college came
and the newspaper guy was theretaking pictures and he must have
1,000 pictures of it and it wason the newspaper, on the front
of the newspaper.
And then the next, and thatnight we took it to the Shrine
Club and we're showing it at theShrine Club.
Ok, have a little dinner andkind of really neat stuff.

(42:46):
And a brother showed up who wasraised in Potomac Lodge, number
five on.
Roosevelt Island by the brotherswho brought it down here
Russell Owens.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
And now he's in the room and he was there in the
room and it was just a giantreunion of these guys who had
all come to me Like it's.
Masonic fate.
I have this term I use andpeople get tired here.
It was Masonic fate Thingshappen the way it's yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
To us, it's like this is impossible.
How does this happen?
Because this is how it'ssupposed to happen, Because the
Grand Doctor of the TechUniversity said OK, you're going
to be here.
You did your part, boom Exactly.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
And then the next day we did it.
We had a tile meeting at MarionDunn Lodge.
And we received the brothersand then with the gavel and they
set it up and we had a meeting.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
In a tile meeting In a tile meeting, and they
explained it to everybody whowas there, wow.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
And then it was open to the public and we left it on
the table and the public waslined up outside to come in and
walk through and see the gavelWow, that is amazing.
And then we took it back toJacksonville and when we got
back and everything was done andso we called the Grand Lodge,
we had three hours extra timeand we called with the gavel
With the gavel, three hoursbefore they had to get to.
It was three hours.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
You're like what else ?

Speaker 3 (44:01):
can.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
I do with this thing.
What else can we do with this?
Not me, right.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
What we could do called the Grand Lodge.
Hey, you know most worship willend.
You know we got the gavel,we're going back, but can
anybody get us into the GrandLodge building and give these
guys a tour?
And he said I'll do you onebetter.
We're already giving a tour andthere's about 40 people here,
so if y'all can get here you canjust show it again.
So we called the buddy in theJacksonville Sheriff's

(44:27):
Department.
They sent this team of drugguys.
Listen, they were no neck webgear guys in a pickup truck.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
They sent a SWAT team .

Speaker 3 (44:40):
They sent a SWAT team .
We needed some security to getus from a gas station in
Maxville to the.
Grand Lodge building.
So they sent this team and weshowed up and they're like they
got guns and all this kind ofstuff and they're just like
tattoos on their necks and theirfaces and SWAT gear.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
And they said the badass guys.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
And there was one guy in a little Buick and this old
beater car and they were in apickup truck and they said who
we guarding, who we guarding andsaid well, it's the George
Washington gavel.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Never heard of him.
Oh, my god.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
That's what never heard of him.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
So they said, OK, here's the plan.
They're all huddled around andthey said OK, look, y'all get.
We're in a Tahoe.
And he said look, y'all justfollow that little Buick and try
to keep up with it and we'll bebehind you.
And if anything bad happens,y'all just keep driving, we're
going to take care of that Buickwas with those guys.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
The Buick was with those guys.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Yeah, it was the head of training for the
Jacksonville Sheriff'sDepartment driving this drug car
.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yeah, and the.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Tahoe, the suburban we were in, couldn't keep up
with it.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
We had it, we were floating on.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
I-10, like 89 miles an hour, gets us to Grand Lodge.
We go in and the guys are thereand their regular clothes to go
get on the plane and all thestuff they had changed, other
suits and most first of all,lynn was there and there's a
couple other guys and a wholebunch of people and the drug guy
, the guy who was driving theBuick, says, hey look, my

(46:23):
grandson's a Cub Scout.
Can I go get him?

Speaker 2 (46:26):
He left to go get his grandson.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Hey, he left and went and got his grandson and
brought his grandson back andthey took the gavel out and did
the presentation for everybodyat the Grand Lodge.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Wow, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
And there's this little boy scout I think it was
a boy scout, a young boy scoutwith his grandfather, with a
picture with the GeorgeWashington Gap.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
That's one man.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
And the grandfather, the drug guy was amazing, oh
really.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Oh, ok, yes, there you go.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Wow.
Yes, wow, so we had this extratime and we went to the airport
and dropped them off, andeverything by ourselves.
That's so cool, and when it wasall over, they said look, we've
never shown, We've never evencontemplated what y'all got done
.
In one day the enormity of whatyou did was three days.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
It was three days OK.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
OK.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
And they said look, we've never even thought about
taking it to school, we neverthought about the possibility.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Right.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, Because it's been used to lay the cornerstone
of the Smithsonian of all theBritish consulate, the
Washington Monument.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
You know all these things.
This thing has been used, yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Wow, and they used this Bible for the presidential.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Yeah, but that was a different Bible in New York, but
all this was done in Ocala inthree days.
Y'all just knocked it out ofthe park.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
And so then fast forward.
Most worshipful Hoover wascoming in and he looked at me
and said, hey, can you get thegavel for the grand launch
communication For my?
And I said, if you ask menicely, I'll see what I can do.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Just kidding.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
And he said, would you?
I said yes, sir, and we had toraise money for the first time,
so the second time he said look,we'll take care of their rooms
as special guests as dignitaries.
He's going to ask the WorshpillMaster of Potomac Lodge to do
the keynote address.
Wow, that grand launch.
Wow, young new master ofPotomac Lodge number five.

(48:29):
And we'll comp the hotel roomsas special dignitaries, because
this is a big deal.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
So I said, ok.
So instead of going out andraising a bunch of money, I
called 15 brothers and I said ifI was to ask you to give me
$100 for a great Masonic event,would you do it?

Speaker 2 (48:50):
You got 15.
And listen.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
The first one I asked said all you want's 100.
And 15 brothers gave me $100bill.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
There you go and we got it done.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
They were here at Grand Lodge.
We showed it to the entirecraft in the tile communication
of the Grand Lodge of FloridaWow.
And he did the WorshpillDandolin did the keynote address
and we brought the gavel out infront of the masses and showed
it and we brought it out intothe lobby downstairs and there

(49:23):
was mad rushes to see it Ofcourse.
And we started going to DC andpaying them back and showing up
to their installation and have agreat relationship with them,
and have since 2017.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
17.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
And we lay a wreath at the tomb of a known soldier,
we go to their installation, wego to their holiday party.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
That all was born out of the gavel.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
All was born, it was all born.
Masonic fate again.
Masonic fate of a simplegesture Glenn.
You busted somebody's balls youhave to go to a lodge.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
It all started with a phone call at 12 midnight.
It was a huge issue it did, andlisten, that's the beauty of
our fraternity.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
I was telling John where's he at he was here.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
He was just in here taking photos.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
He's doing this to us oh we got to go.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah, production guy, you got to go.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
No, no, keep going, keep going so we were just
talking outside, I was walkingthrough the.
So when we had it here at thehotel, we were on the elevator
bringing it down for the banquetand these guys there's nine of
us on the elevator and we wereon tuxedos and we had the gavel
in the elevator and the team wasagainst the wall and the rest

(50:40):
of us were in front of thegarden.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
We were like freaking out.
It's like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
And the elevator stops and these three brothers
just try to walk on and I'm likehey guys, they don't know
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
No good, no good.
They don't know what's going on.
There's plenty of room in there.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
So you really can't come on here.
And he tried to make his way onit.
I made sure that he couldn'tcome on and we went on about our
business and got our stuff doneand I called the grandmaster
and said hey look, I had alittle problem on the elevator.
And just you know, no, we allwill, just it.
Just you didn't knock anybodyout.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
No, no, no, nothing like that.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
But, it was.
You know, it was a tense moment, Tense moment.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Tense moment.
It's a lot of pressure.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
A lot of pressure, a lot of pressure, a lot of
artifacts.
That means a lot to our country.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
So later on that night or the next night the same
guy who was in front of that wewere having dinner downstairs
in the hotel and they were inthe back corner and we were kind
of Eating our dinner in frontof them.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
These are the guys that try to get on, but we're
with the gavel.
The gavel was back in thecorner.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Yeah, oh our team is eating in front of them, so they
can be.
It can be safe, you know rightyou know, there's been a lot of
talk about this thing and yeah,somebody wanting it.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
You know, if somebody was gonna do something, that'd
be the time to do it.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
You know what it on your watch, right.
So the brother zero failmission?
There is no sorry, sir, but welost it.
Exactly so.
The one of the brothers IRecognize and I went up to him.
We had a great conversation.
He understood now what we weredoing.
Yeah, you know, yeah, and today, after all that time, I'm

(52:16):
walking down the lobby lookingat stuff today and I walked up
and said hey and I said his name.
I'm not gonna say his name onhere because it's a little
embarrassing story for both ofus, because we're both.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Okay silly.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
But he says I Said, aren't you?
And he's like, yeah, how areyou doing?
We just got into thisconversation.
He said hey look, I want to goto DC.
We all yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Well, that's my question.
This is this is my question.
When are you doing this next?
It's always.
It's ever December, the firstSaturday in December.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
We based it on the Potomac Lodge number fives
installation Because we want tobe there for that and we
typically outnumber the thenumbers of their lodge, because
they're they're a big lodge butthere's, you know, a lot of
people around town on jobs anddifferent things.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
That's a lot.
You're bringing guys from 30large.
Yeah, we're great.
Yeah, we're from a whole stateright.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
We're known as the Florida mafia Let me show we all
have mafia names and thingslike that.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Oh, it's pretty cool, and so we started adding things
to it and we we started layinga wreath at the tomb of unknown
soldier and we let theGrandmaster be the guy Right.
And then there's three other ofthis King.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Oh, it's a random people yeah we.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
What we do is when we've kind of morphed it into
Picking the names on Thursdaynight before we go and everybody
gets a piece of paper and theywrite down the name they want.
So if I want Chris Burns to doit because I never- put my name
in that.
I've never put my name in thehat.
I don't want to do it.
My joy comes from watchingChris Burns get the opportunity

(53:47):
right, that's awesome and yeahone year.
We actually the newest masterMason.
On the trip he got it stoodnext to the Grandmaster Amasons
and laid this reason.
That was my song to that was myidea always to be yeah,
wouldn't it be great.
Yeah if we could show ourfraternity in that light that it
doesn't matter where you camefrom, what your religion is,

(54:09):
your stature as a Mason, as anewly raised master Mason or the
Grandmaster yourself.
Yeah, you're representingFlorida and all our masons to
lay this wreath where ithappened.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Tell me an organization anywhere in the
world where you're gonna findsomething like that.
You're not.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
You won't find it.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
This is this is why we're Mason, it's, it's this
kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yeah, I want to go, Okay, I want to go Okay.
So $2,000 a person.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
I mean, no, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I just
want to see just like that.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
all is that I'm in listen, we try to keep the cost
down.
We have a good rate at thehotel.
I'm in still, so okay and weadd things to it.
So one year we went to aspeakeasy One year and we go.
Everybody gets in on Thursdaynight and people fly from all
over the state, so you make yourown arrangements right, you

(54:57):
just get there, just get there.
We'll have a hotel, yeah, butwe already got one pretty much,
but for this year.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Oh man we're waiting on the.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
You can't book the, the ceremony for the wreath,
until six months out, so we'vestill got another two weeks
right back, even booked thatright and then we add things
around it.
We had dinner at the agentshrine One night last year we
went to Mount Vernon and got thefull tour at Mount Vernon and
then had dinner, a big buffet AtMount Vernon, and, and in the
past year since we've done this,the prices have been right

(55:27):
around $200, 175, 200, 225.
I there never been that high,you know, and we just add stuff
in and try to keep the price low.
For when you get there, how youget there, I don't care, we
have a drive Miami, tampa,orlando, jacksonville,
tallahassee, pensacola Fly upthere on.

(55:47):
Thursday to be there.
Thursday night we have drinksand Whatever whatever, and then,
and then we write the namesdown and draw, we introduce
everybody.
We have a prayer.
Yeah in, in in the hotel lobbynice and people are like who are
these guys?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
They're Freemasons, people with the bar watching us
stand up on chairs and it's goodfor the world to see all these
people.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Yeah, and then?

Speaker 1 (56:12):
That's awesome, yeah, and then we come back on Sunday
.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
So it's, it's a great trip.
We house a temple.
We Saturday morning istypically people go do whatever
they want and then we all meetup Little sightseeing and we
show up at the installation.
Another tradition that westarted, even the first time,
was we.
I was given a bottle crownedRoyal by the guy that raised me

(56:39):
and he said keep this for aspecial occasion.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I was in Whiskey, thought that was something.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
It was a special bottle in California doing a big
job.
I flew back on the red eye withthis bottle whiskey Mm-hmm and
I said look, you know, becausethey can drink in their lodges
up there, Not in the lounge room, but right you know so so I
took this bottle and I broughtit with me back and I said I
want to make a toast.
So after the installation we allcrammed into this little

(57:10):
secretary's office and we pouredthe whole bottle out and
everybody had a sip.
Yeah, a good sip, right?
Maybe a shot toast toast.
I said more than we made a toastand the toast was based on
Masonic fate.
We're all in this room together, yeah, because this man right
here raised me Mm-hmm and toldme to keep this for a special

(57:33):
occasion.
I can't think of a betteroccasion than the users bottle
of crown right at thisinstallation of Officers joining
us together and we did thistoast.
So every year we do a toast.
We drank a whole bottle in oneshot of buffalo trace last year,
mm-hmm.
And after I did that one firstone, somebody else gave me a

(57:54):
bottle of crown and I used it,and then we bought another
bottle and then somebody elsesaid hey, you gave up your nice
bottle of crown that SteveSilvers gave you, so I Want you
to have this, so I use that one.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
So we it's a tradition now, so basically,
like every year, you know thisis gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
The bottle of buffalo trace we did was a half a
gallon.
Oh, wow everybody who came tothe installation.
They got had a toast and we didthis big toast but with between
our two grand lodges and ourour and the grandmasters there,
and the grandmasters.
Listen, the entire grand line.
Another piece of Masonicawesomeness Is that our grand

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line of Florida has said wedon't want our names in the hat
Because we're gonna begrandmaster and we're gonna have
the opportunity to do it.
Let let that's good, let theguys do it so yeah people write
in names.
Rudy boat right got to do it,you know.
I mean, there's the worst one,master of Ornan.
His name got drawn and youwrite in the name that you want,

(58:53):
hmm.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Well, so five guys can help one guy get in there if
they, if they like this guy,really needs it, or sure He'd
benefit.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Sure, yeah, that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
You know now.
Do you keep it like small onpurpose?
Is it an invitation only thing,or is this something you've now
opened up.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Listen anybody that thinks this is invitation only
doesn't know what we're doingand.
It's.
It goes out in the monthly mail.
Okay, so your lodges should bereading it from grand law You've
opened this up to the wholestate the whole anybody, any
state, any state, any anywhere.
Anybody that wants to go.
If they're a Mason, bring themon.
You know the ladies don'ttypically go because we're

(59:29):
offering around and we're on aright.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
I pass a lot, of, a lot of Masonic stuff, yeah, yeah
they don't want to deal withthat, yeah but some men bring
their wives and then their wivesgo do stuff.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Hmm, but the Masonic things of Mount Vernon and all
that kind of you know, that isfor us.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Yeah, that's mason's, so that sounds like a great
time.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
So there's, there's emails.
I have an email list, I see,and they start going out right
after grandma.
They start rolling right out assoon as we get, as soon as we
book the the ceremony, becauseyou have time windows, we can't
book anything else because wedon't.
If we get to a clock in theafternoon, we have to do
something in the morning, right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
so we wait.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
But the flowers will go out directly and if you want
to bring somebody this year thisyear.
No kidding, we'll go this year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
We raise.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
We raised brother Evermont King.
I mean we, we entered him as anapprentice on a Monday night.
Okay, no, in November, the endof November it was the Monday
night, and that we were going toDC on Thursday and and he's,
he's amazing.
And I said he's an apprentice.
And I said Won't you go to DCwith us?

(01:00:36):
And he said when are youleaving?
I said Thursday he said let mecheck my wife I.
He was in Washington DCThursday night and spent the
next three days Getting fullyimmersed in free masonry as an
enter apprentice with theGrandmaster.
Most of the Grand Line.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
In the tuba.
He actually got to guard thedoor with Tyler.
That's an experience rightthere, Can you imagine.
No, I'm a yeah, honestly, wheredo you go from there?
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Yeah, yeah, our newest master, Mason, and our
youngest EA.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
They were the guys that lead the reason that.
No, they didn't get picked, youknow, okay, but they were in DC
Like their heads explodingright, yeah, yeah, you know the
grandma.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
He's sitting there talking to the Grandmaster.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Yeah, he's drinking from the fire hose man.
I'm telling you I love thatstory.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
I can't imagine what that experience must be like,
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
All right, chris, you in you going.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Yeah, he's been telling me about it.
For are you going?

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Yes, or no, all right , we're there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Okay, good, good, yeah, maybe the podcast will
come, I don't know what the heckright.
I don't know.
Yeah, bring the podcast, thatwould be great and do and do it
with an audience.
Yeah, you know I would love athing and get some of the DC
guys involved.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
I think it was good idea join us together, yeah you
know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Yeah, that's what this podcast is all about.
Yes, is bringing Mason's closertogether and and and enjoying
Masonry, because Masonry isoptimally enjoyable.
I can tell you that right now.
It is enjoyable from front toback man.
And as a new Mason, I can justtell you I was looking for a

(01:02:15):
Group of men, you know, whocould be friends and brothers
and be part of something biggerthan myself for 35 years of
church service.
And I never found it.
And I'm still I say this allthe time on the podcast, I'm
still a member of my church ingood standing, don't, I'm not
down on that at all but I neverfound it.
But in two years, in two yearsof being a Mason, I have found

(01:02:41):
brothers and Lodges andactivities and service like I
never I I never knew, I've never, I've never known it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
And men like you.
You're just like you, chris,and I'm just getting started,
but I haven't really touched thebig stuff yet.
You won't find this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
No, you know, you won't find this anywhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Tell me another organization where a man can go
and find this kind of fellowship, brotherly affection and and
service.
Yeah, you won't find it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
I didn't have the opportunity to serve in the
military.
My father, was.
I didn't either my grandfatherwas in the Navy, my stepdad was
in the Navy.
Lot of military background withme growing up and I didn't get
to serve.
Hmm you know, you make somemistakes when you're young and
you really don't know whatyou're doing.
And in my grand oration I saidit's a leap of faith.

(01:03:35):
Yeah, so I took the leap offaith, not knowing what I was
getting into right.
And now that I've done it, I'verealized why I've enjoyed it so
much is because I didn't have afraternity.
I didn't go to college, right,I have a fraternity.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Yeah, I have the largest.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
I'm in the same fraternity as George Washington.
That's right Franklin MacArthur, jimmy Doolittle.
You know, true, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Yeah, goes on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
And on, and on, and, on, and on and on all around the
world, he's.
Lee, you know, I'm a guitarplayer a little bit, you know.
But Brad Paisley Mason, youknow, yeah, and all these guys,
and a lot of them, are heroes.
Yeah, for our country.
Sure, sam Houston, right.
Jim Bowie, sam Crockett arethese guitars?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
No, don't say that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Say that, andrew Jackson, you know you can go to
the hermitage, all this kind ofstuff.
Yeah, all these guys.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Yeah, that really made our country solid.
Yeah, and laid this foundation,just like George Washington did
in the trench in this hole.
Yeah, with, with, with somemarble.
That's right, he's set us onthis path the Masonic experiment
.
It turned into our experiment,so I'm a member of that we all

(01:04:53):
are so my return to my countryis To help my community, mm-hmm,
and I know you love that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
You know, I had a conversation once with Bill and
he was telling me a story abouta guy whose car broke down and
and needed help out of nowhere.
Glenn's old yeah, and Iremember that this is where I
got the philosophy that I wastelling where most virtual
foster about was from him and hewas telling me this is an
opportunity for me to show howmuch I love somebody.

(01:05:24):
I'm not upset like, oh crap, Igot a drive all the way over
there.
It's like, no, oh, I got thecall.
Right now's my time to step up.
Thank you, yeah, right, likethat's how we, as Mason, should
look at.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Yeah, I heard the story from him about his wife
and his kids being stuck on theside of the road and this man
stopped and, you know, did allthis work and took her tires off
and went and got her two brandnew tires and brought them back
and she said I don't have themoney to repay you.
She's crying, and this is I,just outside of Wiggins,
mississippi.
She's got two snot nose kids inthe backseat crying.

(01:05:56):
I mean literally.
That's the way he told me thestory.
My good brother, gwen's old,doss it in Pensacola, florida,
and he said the man told her,told his wife, he said you don't
owe me anything, it's my honorto be able to do this, because
you're my brother's wife.
That emblem on the back of yourcar is where.
I stopped, yeah, man and then Igot a call from most worship of

(01:06:19):
flades.
One of his buddies was strandedand I went and did the same
thing that I heard was such agreat thing and I enjoyed the
hell out of it.
And my daughter just got a newtruck and the first thing I
bought for that truck was isthis the equestrian daughter?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
The my question in all of her crushing it nice was
a square-in-composite.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Congratulations, you match your truck right and I put
it on it and I said, on hertruck, on her truck.
And so my buddy, jeremy weeks,he, he drove me out to pick up
her car, her truck, and he said,yeah, you could, just couldn't
wait to get thatsquare-in-compos on the back of
her truck and I said that'sright, that's right.

(01:06:59):
You know why?
She's taking care of she'staking care of I said.
Jeremy, I said if she's in aparking lot a mason sees that
it's hands off and if there's aproblem it's hands-on.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Yeah, solve that problem if she's on the side of
the highway, you girl, alone andanywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
If a policeman give pulls her over to give her a
ticket, the likelihood of hergetting a ticket and he's a
mason is zero.
But if there is an issue, thepoliceman is not going to be
worried walking up to that truckbecause of the square-in-compos
on it, because if anybody knowanything about the fraternity
and and Jeremy looked at me andhe said that's awesome and I
wish I could do that for mydaughter.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
He said you can't it's it's easy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Right here, so he actually called Hannah and said
your dad?
Yeah, he called her and saidlook, that's on there for a very
good reason, so don't don'tmess with you dad, you didn't
explain it to her.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
I did, you did, I did 16.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
You can tell them 18 times andthey're here for somebody else.
That's right the first timethey believe that's right, all
right, all right, so so.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
I don't mean to cut you guys off, but we could sit
here literally all night and dothis and I would enjoy every
minute of it.
So we're an hour and eightminutes in.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
I think that was fast .
It was really fast.
It was so enjoyable.
I was just getting warmed up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Well, I didn't talk about New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
We didn't talk about we can, before the weekends over
, do this again.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
You want to do it again.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
I mean I'm in, we can .
I mean that is not a problem.
Do you think the public couldhandle it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
I well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Well, hey who cares about them?

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
the public.
We're having fun here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Public sure public.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Bring sandwiches.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
You got good subs.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
It's delicious yeah man, it's a Florida thing,
that's right, chris.
Once again, my brotherworshipful master.
Hmm, it's just.
It's just always an honor and aprivilege to do this with you,
man, thank you.
We have we have absolutely justgone on this journey together
and we get to meet stellar.
I was so stellar guest, men ofgreat stature, what I always say

(01:09:03):
that the one thing about masonwe have statesmen, our elder
statesmen in our fraternity areserious men.
Oh yeah, they're serious menand they don't play around with
this.
And, like you said, you knowI'm a mason and I have brothers
All over the world who wouldhelp my daughters, who would
help my, my wife, who would takecare of me, and, and for that

(01:09:26):
I'm absolutely and eternallygrateful.
Chris, before we go out,anything you want to say on the
way out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Mmm, I want to talk more to bill, okay, come back.
Let's do this a little.
Hey, let's not be sober nexttime.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
We'll talk, we'll talk, we can do that, we can do
that.
Not intemperate, okay, no, Iwould submit that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
I'm being being un sober is not in.
Oh, look at the damage he costover All right sober or
intoxicated.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
We will revisit this conversation.
Yes okay, this has been.
This has been on the level withFred and Chris at the Grand
Communication 2023 in beautifulOrlando, Florida.
And next time I don't know whothe guest is next time, but we
will have a guest within thenext.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Maybe it'll be very wishful.
Bill cats a little, it might be.
Thank you for coming right.
Thanks for having my brother.
This has been.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
This has been Spectacular you know.
I'm glad you enjoy it is great,I'm gonna promote the heck out
of this, not necessarily mine,but do you know please the on
the level thing is it's reallygood.
I haven't listened to any ofthe podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
I wouldn't have no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
No idea, yes, well so neither did y'all, and that's
fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
That's fair enough.
I had an idea for Fred.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Didn't know, but I had an idea.
Apparently I didn't need toknow, but it was a great
experience and what I'm betterfor it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Yeah, right, we're full, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
No, thank you, Thank you.
I appreciate I learnedsomething from Ben Schwartz.
Just say thank you, so thankyou and Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Thank you and and to you guys you guys who stayed to
the end hour and 11 minutes.
If you're still here listening,you are our heroes.
Man, we really appreciate it.
Shoot us some emails.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Email us if you want to go to DC and we'll get you on
the list.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Yeah, that's Fred at on the on the level with Fred
and Chris calm and Chris it onthe level, fred, chris calm and
and until next time, guys, welove you, we'll talk to you
again, see you.

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