Exploring the Influence of Liberal Arts, Science, and Generational Politics on Society

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, chris, yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Fred.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
What's a Mason?
That's a really good question,fred.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
You've reached the internet's home for all things
masonry.
Join Chris and I as we plumbthe depths of our ancient craft,
from the common gavel to thetrowel.
Nothing is off the table, sograb your tools and let's get to
work.
This is On the Level.
Well, we are back.
We are back, thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
The claps don't come through in the recording.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, they do.
Now I fixed it.
So, yes, everyone got the clap.
Did they get this?
I hope they did.
I see it on the it'sregistering on the sound board.
Yeah, so we're making advanceshere and there as we go, so
thank you very much.
Sound engineer Fred, whodoesn't know what he's doing but

(01:02):
is learning.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Traction, who didn't know what he was doing.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Didn't know, now he knows, he does now.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
And knowing is half the battle, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
What up, what up, brother?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
You know, just another day in paradise.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah right.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Lots of interesting things going on, yeah.
I have our Grandmaster'sofficial visit to our district
23 tonight, very excited, whichwill be well passed over when
you hear this.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yes, that's right, and I, you know I had.
I took all of my stuff to thedry cleaners to get cleaned, Not
realizing that I need ittonight.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Oh, so you need flip flops with socks.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well, I'm hoping and praying that it'll be done.
I dropped it off on Tuesday.
They're usually pretty quick,but if not, I'm going to have to
figure something else out,because this, this is the ball
nights.
This would be the night to tomake sure you're dressed
correctly.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, no, I told my wife we have to sit at the big
table this time because I'm thepresident of the master mason
association.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Right, so I have to sit up there with those guys,
yeah yeah, yeah, and I'm like,see, got dressed nice.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
And she's like, ooh, she got all excited.
And she's like going throughher closet.
She's like, how sexy can I get?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I'm like sexies you want baby, how sexy can you be?

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I'm just going to be mad about that Right on.
So we'll see what she comes upwith tonight.
Well, that, that, that will bea good look on you, my brother,
yeah right, absolutely, yeah,absolutely yeah, and for our
district, and for our district.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
That's right, I was in.
I was at the shrine last nightand they were setting the tables
and setting up the room.
The Sahib shrine, SarasotaSahib shrine, which I am a.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Oh, they're getting it all prepped and ready.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, and they were all in there setting tables out,
and the big table that you'retalking about was set, so I know
exactly where you're going tobe sitting.
I'll be sitting in the veryback corner being quiet.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
hopefully the lodges have tables.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Hopefully we'll have a bunch of people at a table
from Sarasota lodge.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well, I will definitely be there.
I know Schaefer's coming.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Is your wife coming.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
She is not.
She's busy, unfortunately, andshe made you know this has been
obviously in the plant in theworks for a while, yeah, and she
already had something planned.
So, nope, going to be stag,which is fine.
I don't plan on staying lateunless we're going to record
there, and we're still kind ofwaiting to see.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, I'm going to have to send some texts and see
if we can get some.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Right, there is a room that we can use to record
in.
So and I, you know we're thethis this system is easily moved
, so we'll set it up there andhopefully maybe we could get the
one I dropped off and blew afoster.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yes, that's the person that was going Most
wishful.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Foster was the first one Most wishful foster would be
great If we could redo his thatinterview of his.
It breaks my heart that we lostthat.
I lost it because it was sogood, it was so so good, and and
so we will be uploading the catSula.
Cat Sula's cat Sula's interview.

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I did, we do have it, and it'sjust a matter of converting it
from that gigantic, massive wavefile to an MP3.
So yes, three hours later it'llbe done, we finally recovered
our very first recording withright wishful Tom Haber.
Yeah, yeah, that was great.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
It was our very first one and wound up being our like
sixth interview we publishedRight.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
And we've always confessed to everybody listening
that we we really don't knowwhat we're doing, but we're
learning, we are learning.
We are learning.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
So the hard way, making every mistake along the
way.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, we'll, we'll let that one pass by.
But, yes, amen, brother, yeah,but hey, hey, we're willing to
own up to our mistakes, we arewilling to apologize for our
mistakes.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
That's the key.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
And, and that's the key.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
And we are willing to learn from our mistakes.
So if you admit you made amistake, you feel really bad and
you learn from it.
Was it a bad thing?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
I don't know.
It sounds like we're.
You know we're working tofigure out how we can best work
and live to get.
I don't know how's that go.
Again, I forget.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Best work and best agree.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, so that's all about hey, forgiveness, mercy,
humility, correction, moving onbeing better, all about it, man,
I'm all about that.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
We're always open to your feedback.
If you think we're doing a poorjob, just send Fred an email at
Fred and on the level offredandquistcom and tell him
what you think.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
I will take it.
I will take it.
I speaking of emails that I'vereceived, you got some good ones
.
I got some, some really goodemails from a lot of brothers
and comments on Facebook andcomments to.
For everybody who is aware ofthe situation that happened in
my life and family's life, andfor everybody who reached out to
me, please know that everysingle email, every single text,

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every message that I receivedwas was just huge in my, in my
life, I'm I, just I have.
I asked my wife last night.
We were sitting there at hometalking and I said are we, are
we handling this in aninappropriate way?
Because I am not.

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I, I feel like I should be morebroken.
I feel like I should be moreemotional.
I feel like I should.
I'm not an emotional person atthe beginning but because of
your situation, because of thesituation and she's like, well,
no, because of the amount ofsupport we have and because of
you know our faith and we, weknow that, we know, you know

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where, where he is, so we'rewe're able to grieve in a
different way.
And I was like, yeah, you know,that's right, that's right and
I'm grateful for that.
And those cards, the cards andletters this is how old I am,
catch up to the nineties, fred,your emails and your texts, my
telegrams, all those telegramsfrom.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Western.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Union yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
So all the faxes from the brothers are you?

Speaker 2 (07:14):
the fax, yes, fax machine.
The only people that use a faxmachine, of course, is the local
governments.
They still do like the buildingdepartment.
They still use a fax machine, Idon't get it and lots and lots
and lots of paper, becausethey're so green.
Anyways, we'll stop right there.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Well I'll say uh, my mother recently passed and I had
similar situations.
People were telling me you'rehandling this weird or whatever.
But I had a good friend whosaid I want you to know however
you feel about the situation isthe right way.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
You're right, there's no wrong way to handle a
situation like this man brother,that's right.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
That's it is.
Whatever you're feeling is avalid good thing for you to be
feeling right now, if it'snothing or what other people
think you should be feelingthey're wrong.
Now you, you know you're goingto deal with this on your time
and you'll go through the wholerange sooner or later.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
That's very true.
You're going to hit it all.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
This is how it is right now.
So you know, feel blessed thatyou feel this way right now.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
I totally agree with what you just said.
This is us doing it.
There is no right or wrong.
It is the, however, your hand.
I told my son, my um, my, myother son, the same thing, how
you know he's.
He's questioning this andquestioning that.
It's like this is this is youdealing with it?

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
And for anybody out there who's dealing with tough
situations.
You know, and you're, and otherpeople might be putting stuff
on you or you're putting stuffon yourself.
Just stop for a second andrealize that the way you're
going through it is the wayyou're going through it.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
If you know what I mean, if you get my drift, there
it it.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
that's what it is, and if it's painful, if it's
hard, or if all of a sudden youfeel relieved or joyous, it is
that's the way you go through it.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
That's you doing it, that's you doing it.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, that's right man.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
And you go through the others too Over time.
Oh, I know, I already feel it,yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
After the memorial service it was began that
anticlimactic downward move,right when, all of a sudden, all
these emotions came about and I, just I was just.
Anyway, to all those whoreached out, I'm proud to be
affiliated with you in thisgreat fraternity.
You guys really showed up in amajor way in my life and I know

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I'm in the right house, it seemslike it you know this situation
had a positive impact on thisreally bad situation you're
dealing with.
It really did, it really did.
And my youngest son, my secondyoungest son sorry, danny, danny
.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Danny Boy is my youngest, eric would be my
second youngest and I wastelling Eric the same thing that
we're going to we're not goingto forget, we're going to move
on and we're going to makesomething positive out of this,
and that's already happened inthe family.
There's a lot of positivethings going on and some
rededications and just some,some things happening.

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So, whatever you're goingthroughout there, brother,
please know that if you're aMason today, you, you have a
huge family of people that willstep up and do anything for you.
You are, you are not short ofbrothers, not short of people
who will, who will step up andhelp you, and I'm one of them.
So feel free to yell out, toshout out to me I owe, I'm on

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the, I'm on the IO side and I'mready to, I'm ready to share,
I'm ready to give and I'm readyto help.
So let's move on to what's next?
I think we're going to jump intothe, the fellow craft lecture.
And having gone through themonitor, I'm realizing that
there's a giant chunk of it wehave to skip, just because a lot

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of it is not published.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
So what we thought, that's just for the Mason,
that's just for us.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Just for us, not for everybody out there.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
So it might be annoying thinking why did they
keep talking like that?
Well, fred and I both did a lotof research before we became
Masons.
We consumed a lot of videos andpodcasts Correct and we're well
aware that people may seek thispodcast out as a source of
information.
And so while we are here totalk to our brothers, we're also

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talking to people that are justinterested in Freemason.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
That's right.
That's why we say things likethat.
Yeah, that's right.
And our secrets are our secrets.
We hold them dear to our hearts.
It's part of our fraternity.
None of it, none of it.
None of it is nefarious innature at all.
There is no nefarious side toMasonry.
Sorry, alex Jones, you can, youalways beat up Alex Jones.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
I've never listened to Alex Jones in my life.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
That means you're normal.
Really, that guy's a weirdo man.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's just the guy that just got sued or lost the
lawsuit, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
He got sued for like a gazillion dollars.
Something dummy said.
It's the part that most peopledon't realize.
He got sued for a gazilliondollars and laughed at it
because that guy's got so muchmoney really from pushing his
ridiculous garbage over theyears?

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Does he talk about the?

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Freemasons, oh, all the time.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Really.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Oh no, we're the devil.
We're the devil the reason thefederal government is pretty
much owned by Freemasonry and weare, you know, and he
patronizes people like me wherehe says, well, the average
Freemason, he's just you know acivic guy.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
You don't know, you're not special.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
You don't know what he's into.
He doesn't really know whathe's into.
It's like Jones you don't knowwhat you're into.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Well, where is the nefarious part then?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, where is?

Speaker 1 (12:43):
it.
If the mass of the peopleinvolved don't know, doesn't
that mean they don't see?
Yeah, right, right.
So where is it Like?
Where's all the bad stuffhappening?
In a secret room somewherewhere the lizard people stay.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Right, where does that happen?
Where's it happening?
Right, because there are lodgesall over the world.
Right, everywhere you go, thereare lodges all over the world.
You just knock on the door andgo inside and ask them what
they're up to.
They'll tell you Was Washingtona lizard guy?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Well, yeah right, galileo Right, All these people
were horrible people.
Yeah, Come on man, come on, getyour head out your butt.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I try to tell people all the time.
You know, originally there wasa guy named Art Bell.
Have you ever heard of Art Bell?
No, art Bell did a show and itwas a radio show he did for a
long, long time and the name ofthe show it eludes me, but it
was an entertainment show wherehe proposed all of these
conspiracy theories and heentertained them and he was big

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into aliens and this is back inthe 80s.
You know I mean way back when.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Coast to coast AM.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Coast to coast AM.
That was it and the originalshow.
Once he I think he passed awayDreamland he had a show named
Dreamland and Dreamland too,yeah, and they took the show and
they kept it going, I thinkafter he either retired or
passed away and it became it wasreally dumb.
But when it was live originally, when the show was live Coast

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to Coast AM, it was kind of fun,it was entertaining.
But I don't know if Art Bellever really there was nothing
nefarious about it.
It was an entertaining showwhere he kind of dabbled in
these little occult things andalien stuff and brought the

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latest and greatest of theconspiracy theory world and it
wasn't an Alex Jones thing wherehe's actually trying to hurt
people, you know, where he'sactually trying to make money
off of spreading all kinds of BSand hate and stuff like that.
You know this guy was.
It was kind of fun, you know.
I mean the original showanyways.
You know it was kind of fun andthat was during the X Files,

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when that first came out.
That show, the X Files Art Bell, was really big.
Some people say that they tooka lot of that stuff from the Art
Bell show.
That show One of my favoriteshows ever would be the X Files.
Just because I'm such a.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Vince Gilligan.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
I'm a Vince Gilligan fanatic.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
I think the man's brilliant he did Breaking Bad
and Better Call Saul Best showsever on television my wife
refused to watch them becausethey were drug shows and she's
anti-drugs and I said you knowwhat I'm saying?
This isn't a pro drug show.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Not at all.
Not at all.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
You're going to agree with the consequences of being
involved in drugs.
It's bad.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
And the way it's portrayed.
Take it from someone who knowsit is very, very realistic.
They did their homework, theyknow what they're talking about.
Anyway, I'm not trying to pushBreaking Bad on anybody, but you
should watch it.
But anyway, I don't know wherewe're going with that.
Oh right, we're back to.
So what we decided, guys, isthat we skipped a lot of the

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middle section only because it'sjust not.
There's giant chunks of it thatare not published.
So we can't do that.
We wouldn't do that.
So we skipped up to the sevenliberal arts and sciences part
of the lecture, which to me, isreally huge.
And we're going to start at thepart where it says the seven

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liberal arts and sciences aregrammar, rhetoric, logic,
arithmetic, geometry, music andastronomy, and Worshipful Burns
is going to take it from there.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
All of them are totally.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Could you stop me if we get close to something that?

Speaker 1 (16:24):
looks like it.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Everything to the end of the lecture, and they should
be because these are well-known.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
This is part of our culture as humans, while we're
talking about in the windingstairs part of this lecture
Right.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
And the seven liberal arts and sciences.
It comes from the classicalteachings of Aristotle and the
Greeks, and liberal means.
It liberates you.
The knowledge of these arts andsciences liberates you from the
bondage of ignorance.
That's what the liberal part is.
So the liberal arts andsciences would liberate a man

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from the bondage of ignorance bybeing educated in these
classical education parts.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
So I think by liberal they mean academic right.
No, they mean it's more likeleaning towards the academic
than the physical engineering,like science.
This is like thinkingphilosophy kind of side of
looking at life and nature, ifyou liberal.
And that kind of a meaning.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
I think, Well, maybe if you Google the seven liberal
arts and sciences, you will seeit's a specific train, a
specific course of teaching fromthe Greek classics, and they'll
tell you that the word liberalmeans that it liberates from the

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darkness of ignorance.
So if you learn these sevenliberal arts and sciences, they
will liberate you from ignorance.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Interesting.
So, and it makes sense, becausethe first one is grammar- Ah,
grammar is the key by whichalone the door may be open to
the understanding of speech.
It is by rhetoric.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Right, so the next one being rhetoric.
So you want me to read theoptional part.
Yeah For grammar.
No one ever reads that onebecause the darn thing's already
so long.
Yeah, let's see.
So it is grammar which revealsthe admirable art of language
and unfolds its variousconstituents, it's constituent

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parts Constituent, maybe,constituent, const.
Yeah, sorry, constituent.
Let me slow down.
I apparently have had too muchcoffee.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
As always.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
And unfolds its various constituent parts, its
names, definitions andrespective offices.
It unravels, as it were, thethread of which the web of
speech is composed.
These reflections seldom occurto anyone before his
acquaintance with the art.
Yet it is most certain thatwithout a knowledge of grammar,

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it is difficult to speak withpropriety, precision and purity.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Wow, it's so eloquently stated.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Right, right.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
So I want to learn how to talk like this when I
grow up.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Well, and remember when in earliest my earliest
memories of school.
I did not have a goodexperience with government
school system, but my earliestmemories are grammar.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Really.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Well learning cursive .

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Which they don't teach anymore.
They don't teach anymore,Freaking amazing Right.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
They don't teach any of the seven liberal arts and
sciences in school very muchanymore.
But the next one being rhetoric, go.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Rhetoric.
It is by rhetoric that the artof speaking eloquently is
acquired, so grammar is okay.
I think I'm picking this upmore.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
It's picking up.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
It is maybe understanding the system of how
language works.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Correct how do you?

Speaker 1 (19:59):
form words and sentences to make cohesive,
Right.
So paragraphs that tell yourpoint eloquently and simply.
And now we're saying rhetoricis the art of coloring that.
Oh, that's good In such a wayas it is interesting to hear the
grammar that you've puttogether, right.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Right, so it says.
It unravels, as it were, thethread of which the web of
speech is composed, and rhetoric, the web of speech.
Rhetoric is the art of speaking.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
The art.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
So grammar unlocks the web.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
The mystery, the difficulty of speech, because
it's not enough to justcommunicate succinctly.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Clearly you have to also do it emotionally.
Get the person you're talkingto emotionally invested in what
you're saying.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
And that's where rhetoric comes in, and then, by
extension, go with logic.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Oh, logic is that science which directs us to form
clear and distinct ideas ofthings and prevents us from
being misled by their similitudeand resemblance.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, so logic.
If you take grammar andrhetoric and learn them, the
next logical no pun intended.
The next logical step is logicI think it's also dialectic is
the other word that's used thereDialectic Dialectic is the
other word.
So logic is the science whichdirects us to form clear and

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distinct ideas of things,thereby prevents us from being
misled by their similitude orresemblance.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
So basically, two ideas that are very similar.
It takes logic to identify whatthe meaning of that is, based
on the context, right.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Right.
Well, logic forces us to lookat a thing and try to figure it
out or decipher it, like whenyou look at something and it
doesn't make sense, it's notlogical, e-logical, it's
illogical, right Right.
So, but what?
The study and understanding oflogic forces us to reason in our

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minds.
A thing, so, whatever it is, Ihave a very mechanical mind, so
for me the logic of a thing islike something that I spent a
lot of time thinking aboutbecause, having been a builder
and having been around engineersand architects God help me for
so many years the logic of it,how does it work?

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How does it make sense?
Why is it ticking the way it'sticking?
That's the logic and learning.
That thing is huge.
And I think these first threegrammar, rhetoric and logic
prepare us for this fourth one,which is arithmetic.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Bless you.
Arithmetic is the art ofnumbering, or that part of
mathematics which considers theproperties of numbers in general
, right and advanced.
I hate mathematics.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Well.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
But I need to learn to love it Well the world.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Creation is based on mathematics.
I mean advanced mathematics ishow we explain the world.
Sir Isaac Newton's equation foridentifying gravity.
That's the calculus.
That's where the calculus camefrom.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Out there at math heads You'reprobably all screaming at it.
What is this idea talking about?

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But his equation.
He did not explain what gravityis, but he explained how
gravity acts and he created amathematical equation to figure
it out Terminal velocity.
It's known as terminal velocity.
So if I drop a bowling ball anda marble, this is physics Right

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.
Right Next to each other out ofan airplane.
They're going to reach acertain speed going to the
ground and they will not exceedthat speed because of gravity.
Well, the equation to figurethat out is part of Newton's law
of gravity.
That's part of it, and that'smathematics, advanced
mathematics.
They use mathematics to figureout.

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When they put Gemini up intospace back in the 80s, which was
a probe that was to go to theouter reaches of space, they
mathematically figured outexactly when the thing was going
to pass by Jupiter which waslike 15 years and seven months,
two days, five hours and 34minutes 58 seconds into the

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future.
And guess what happened?

Speaker 1 (24:36):
It passed by exactly at that time, which I thought
was absolutely amazing to me.
It's proof that the mathematicsworks.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
It's empirical proof that that mathematical truth you
can understand things that youcan't see.
That's right.
That's right.
And of course, all science isbased on hypothesis.
So we hypothesize an idea andthen we spend our lifetime
trying to disprove it, andthat's the way science works.

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It's debated amongst those inthe field over and over and over
again, to try and disprove it.
And if you can't disprove ityear after year after year, well
guess what?
That's science, baby.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's the real deal, it's our working theory, right,
and it's always a theory.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
That's our working theory, because we haven't been
able to disprove it, becausetime marches on and we discover
new things all the time, oh God.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
we're living in an insane time for science, right
now.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Right, you were telling me about something
pretty cool.
I had a conversation with thatcompany yesterday.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Did you?
I'm a CEO.
I talk with this PhD who'sworking.
Put this university on tryingto bring this technology into
the world.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Now do we talk about this at the last podcast?
I don't think we do.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
No, I talk to you privately I haven't told anyone
about it.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Give us a little bit.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Okay, quantum science has unlocked all new thinking
and it's shattering what wethink we know about current laws
of the universe.
Like you just mentioned,gravity Gravity doesn't apply at
the quantum level the way itdoes in our realm.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
And that kind of makes sense to me, right,
because I'm on Earth, I'mstanding on Earth.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah Well, a great example.
I was watching a documentarylast night.
Did you know we have two probesstudying the sun right?

Speaker 3 (26:16):
now.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
The Parker telescope, and there's another one
specifically taking images ofthe surface and what you said,
the Gemini probe, and they, youknow, they did all this math and
it wound up at precisely wherethey thought it was going to be
based on the gravitational pullof the planets and the thrust of
this thing.
Well, the sun's awfully hot.
And so you can't, you can'thave a direct orbit around the

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sun or the thing will meltobviously.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
So what they did with this Parker probe, which is
taking readings of the surfaceof the sun, is they put it into
an orbit in such a way that itgoes really close to the sun on
one side and the closer you get,the faster the gravitational
pull.
So it's traveling insanely fastthrough that hottest part of
its journey around the sun andit it fires back out into space

(27:02):
and at this crazy velocity.
And then they use Venus, thepull of Venus, to slow it down.
So it comes back, that is soawesome and it's making these
zippies, and then it goes slowaround Venus and comes back and
does a zippy and it's able torecord the surface of the sun
Every pass it makes all done bythe gravitational pushing and

(27:23):
pulling of planets and or thesun.
That's multiple planets in thiscase.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
That is so cool.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
And like you see that in Star Trek right.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Right 70s and 80s.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
We're doing this in science now.
That's so cool.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
They're calling it a slingshot orbit.
I love it.
I love it.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
And then there's another probe that's meant to
just take the photos, becausethey're trying to understand how
the coronal mass ejectionshappen, because obviously can
affect us here on Earth.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Right, Right.
I think I know for you that.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Fascinated by all this stuff Right.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
You're fascinated by it.
I'm I'm the beneficiary of hisfascination because he shares it
all with me and I just I don'tlook it up on my own.
So I'm glad you shared it witheverybody else too.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
What's really interesting.
What we were talking about is,at the quantum level, the vacuum
of space we thought was calleddark matter, just emptiness
right there and now, because ofour ability to study at the
quantum level, we'reunderstanding that particles
come into and out of realityconstantly in the vacuum of
space and the emptiness of thevacuum of space.

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And so it's if there's there'slike a sponge level in the
entire emptiness of space andthe fact that there's a vacuum,
you know, and this energy iscoming into and out of existence
, allows the energy to travelfreely because there's no
resistance, air or otherparticles to bounce off of at

(28:42):
the atomic level.
And so they've done experimentswhere they put two metal plates
in a crazy vacuum that did alittle bit of stimulus to these
particles that come into and outof existence at the quantum
level and the plates moved inthe vacuum with no energy,
nothing pushing, nothing visible, nothing recordable.
In the emptiness of the vacuumof space.

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There's an invisible force thatmoves those plates.
So they said wait a second, ifthis energy is everywhere all
the time.
This is where Tesla was.
He wanted to pull energy out ofthe what?
he called the ether.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Right.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
He didn't understand what the ether was, but now we
understand.
At the quantum level there issomething that he thought was
the ether that you can pullenergy out of and harness it.
So there are companies outthere trying to make devices,
using these experiments thathave been reproduced and proven
are true, to effectivelygenerate an unlimited,

(29:38):
neverending supply of energy outof the quantum, popping in and
out of particles in the vacuumof space Without generating
massive amounts of radiation orheat.
There's no byproduct.
There is no radiation, there isno heat, there's no chemical
reaction, there's nothing butpower.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, but what are we going to do with all these oil
companies?

Speaker 1 (29:58):
This is why it doesn't exist yet.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
They've known about this since the 20s.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
There's a documentary called the Lost Generation,
because it's been stolen from us.
We had the power to havebasically clean renewable energy
in the 20s, but it's beenburied because corporations run
the world.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Well, thank you, thomas Edison right, he's the
one who basically ruined Tesla,stole all of his ideas, got with
Westinghouse and the rest ishistory Edison, Thomas Edison.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Really.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Everybody thinks he's the big hero, big inventor, but
actually he was just a reallycrooked businessman really what
he was.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I guess that goes back to the winner's right to
history.
That's right.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
The winner's right history?
That's right.
The winner's right to historybooks?
That's right.
Remember.
I always try to tell people whowant to tell me Edison was such
a great man.
He's the man who invented theelectric chair.
Let's remember who this manreally is In his-.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
The electric chair, the electric the one they used
to kill people.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
In his desire to ruin Tesla.
Because Tesla's electricity wasAC, was alternating current,
which is high voltage.
It's very dangerous but it cantravel long distances over cable
and provide a greater benefitto more and more people.
Where Edison's originaldiscovery was DC direct current

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electricity, which is muchweaker and is not high voltage.
That's low voltage, verydifferent types of electricity.
Since Tesla's idea was better,it was gaining in popularity and
getting much more notoriety.
What Edison did is he createdthis publicity campaign touting

(31:45):
the dangers of this newtechnology called high voltage
electricity.
To prove it, he created theelectric chair.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Oh, and showed how you and showed how it kills
people.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Of course, our government, in its wisdom, took
it on.
Now we fry people's brains.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
We're still doing it in stark.
They still do, they still havea chair, they still use that
thing.
They call them Sparky.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
I don't know man, why not?

Speaker 2 (32:11):
You know what?
I just bashed their head inwith a baseball bat.
What's the difference?

Speaker 1 (32:16):
We're supposed to be humane.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, there's nothing humane about the electric chair
.
Don't care, no, just don't carewhat anybody says.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
I think generally lethal injection is the way they
do it.
I think mostly now.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
That's probably the right way.
I am not a fan of capitalpunishment.
I do not want to give thiscurrent government and or its
regimes the ability to executeanybody.
I think it's dangerous.
There was a time in thiscountry where capital punishment
might have been.
This is my opinion.
So send your cards and lettersto Chris Dang it.

(32:49):
I'll take them, chris, on thelevel with friendchriscom.
But it could have been a timein this country where it was a
deterrent to violent crime, tomurder and all that capital
punishment.
But I don't agree with thatanymore.
It's time that this governmentshould not be allowed to execute
anybody ever.
Until we get a handle on theadministrative state, which is

(33:12):
completely out of control.
My opinion, let's move on.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
You need to somehow take the corporate's ability to
control government away if youreally want to fix it.
Give it back to the people.
Every clean energy is a greatway to start.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, that sure is.
That's why they hate Bitcoin somuch because you can't control
it.
What your government wants youto know is you're not allowed to
have money that we can't stealfrom you.
That's what Bitcoin is.
It's money they can't take fromyou without you giving them
permission first.
This would be the same thing Anenergy source that I can have
in my house that does not needoutside approval, outside aid of

(33:48):
any kind from anyone produces.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
No, not going to blow up on you, yep.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, we can't have that.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
You can take it in a cave and basically live for your
entire lifetime with freeenergy.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Listen, if you keep this up, what's Ted Cruz going
to do for a living?
Come?

Speaker 3 (34:03):
on.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
What's Nancy going to do, what are all these elites
going to do if we becomeautonomous, 100% autonomous,
just dealing with each otherwith love and respect?
Can't have it, man.
That's not going to work.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Well, I had a great meeting yesterday.
Do I sound cynical A little,but this is where I'm at, too
All right, I'm sorry Iinterrupted.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I'm with you on that.
You had a great meetingyesterday.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah, because I'm pessimistic on the future of
humanity.
I think we're going to know,we're going to you know, there's
not much we can do at thispoint.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
We're going in a very bad direction.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Negative outlook.
That's where I've been.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
I see that in you, yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah.
So it's like oh, what's thepoint of anything we're all
going to burn out here?
So the fact that go watch adocumentary by Dr Stephen Greer
named the Lost Century, and theydo a pretty good job of
explaining the concept of zeroplant energy and how it's been
proven and how it can be doneand I found a company that
actually has a patent the onlypatent I have ever seen on a

(35:01):
device that can do this andthey're working with the
university.
They're seeking the last roundof funding to actually bring
this to market.
They're going to start withflashlights and little things.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
And I got to meet with a PhD.
I got to meet with his wife andthe CEO of this company and
we're going to help them.
I actually reached out toStephen Greer to try to get him
involved in what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
That's so awesome.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
It's crazy.
It's crazy the opportunities wehave because of science.
It's like Real science.
It's not like a university orgovernment it should be or is
controlling these things.
It's happening so fast that thepeople on the bleeding edge are
the ones making these things areality.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Right.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
It's crazy scientists that aren't part of mainstream
academia, those who are free tothink and explore what is in
front of them, those guys.
It's just a fun time to bealive and I have some hope
finally for the future.
It's a very nice feeling.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, I see that and we definitely want updates
regarding this new venture thatyou're looking into.
Give us the updates when itcomes time to invest.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Please let us know there will be and I will let you
know.
All right.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Geometry.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Geometry.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Oh, this is a big one for Freemasonry.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Geometry Start me off there.
Geometry treats.
Geometry treats of the powersand properties of magnitudes in
general, where length, breadthand thickness are considered
From a point to a line, fromline to a superfeecee and from
superfeecee to a solid.
Okay, a point.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
A point.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Is the beginning of all geometric matter.
Right.
A line is a continuation of thesame.
A superfeecee has length andbreadth without a given
thickness.
A solid has length and breadthwith a given thickness and forms
a cube which comprehends thewhole.
That's getting a little deep.

(37:05):
That's awesome Into geometry.
But it treats of the powers andproperties of magnitudes in
general.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Right right.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
The powers and properties of magnitudes.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
All right, so In general, the next heading is
called the advantages ofgeometry.
Starts out by geometry.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
The architect is unable to construct his plans
and execute his designs.
The engineer to mark outgrounds for encampment.
The general to arrange hissoldiers.
The geographer, the engineer.
The engineer To mark out.
Oh, I've messed something up.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
You did.
You wanna start over bygeometry?
The architect is unable toconstruct his plans and execute
his designs.
The general To arrange hissoldiers.
To arrange his soldiers.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
The engineer.
To mark out grounds forencampment Encampment- the
geographer To give us thedimensions of the world and all
the things therein contained.
So we're back on track Todelineate the extent of seas and
specify the divisions ofempires, provinces and kingdoms

(38:14):
by geometry.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
By it also the astronomer.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Oh, the astronomer.
By it also, the astronomer isunable to make his observations
and fix the duration of time andseasons, years and cycles In
fine.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
geometry is the foundation of mathematics Of
architecture, of architectureand the root of mathematics.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Wow, sorry, you should just read these.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
No, no man, no way, you got it, you got it, you got
it.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
But yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
The advantages of geometry, right, I mean, it is
the basis.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Really, it's everything Right To our society.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Everything to mankind .
I mean, there's no way you getaround.
Mathematics, geometry, all ofthese seven liberal arts and
sciences were given to us by ourcreator to take us out of
darkness into light.
You can't understand the worldaround you, the creation that
screams that there is a designer, that there is a founder, a

(39:17):
great architect of all this isseen through these seven liberal
arts and sciences.
I mean a geometry being one ofthe major ones.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
I mean it Would you agree that maybe you could say,
one could say, geometry is thelanguage by which we read the
book of nature.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Absolutely, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
That's kind of like how we understand what's
happening through the languageof geometry.
Right, we get the ideas of ourcreator into our grammar
rhetoric and we able to railthese logic to look at it
scientifically.
But we've talked about thisbefore.
Geometry and the shapes that wesee in nature inform how we

(40:01):
build our structures.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
And the things that we find in nature we combine and
experiment with to findcompounds that heal and are used
for miraculous things.
What people in the past wouldhave literally considered
miracles is just science to us.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Right, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
And it's like I always go back to.
I always go back to Sir IsaacNewton only cause he's a
Presbyterian like I am, but hesaid his famous quote was that
it's like I'm thinking God'sthoughts after him.

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And geometry is simply that weare seeing.
It's a process for thinkingthoughts and seeing the way the
world was made.
And then, taking what we seearchitecture, for instance,
right, you see the way a forestis constructed in nature.

(41:03):
You see the way rock formationsare, you see the way the earth
in its foundation is, and thenyou begin to see how
architecture became thefoundation, the pillars, the
trusses, the arches, the rooflines.
All of those things is seen innature and taken by man, who's

(41:25):
part of nature to create theseedifices that we have built,
greater and greater and morecomplicated.
Because it's our nature tocreate.
It's our nature because we areAmago Day, we are made in the
image, and that Amago Day is inall of us.
We wanna create, we wanna build, we wanna be better, we wanna
strive to do good, to be infellowship, to be part of this

(41:49):
world.
And I just, I don't know, man,I'm digging this.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
There's very few animals that we know of in the
world that learn and changethrough generations.
Right Few very few.
Yeah, I think they.
I've seen that there are packsof killer whales in certain
areas of the world that havelearned specific hunting
techniques that only thosekiller whales know about because

(42:16):
the elders teach it to theyoungers.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Right.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
And so they continue to perfect it through the
generations.
But it's specific to that pack.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Right.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
They like actually beach themselves and grab
animals, which no other killerwhales in the world do.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Right, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
And so when that particular family dies, that
knowledge will be lost forever.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah right.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
And this is the human species.
Like we're segmented into theseindependent packs and some of
us figure things out and we gotto start looking at each other
as a whole, as one species in ittogether, and think about our
future and our survival andthink stop thinking about the
line in the sand.

(42:58):
That's my dirt, not your dirt,and I'm gonna kill all of your
family if you touch my sand.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Right.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
They say that astronauts every one of them has
this experience when they seethe Earth from the outside, of
an awakening of like wow, I'vebeen lied to my whole life.
This is such a small, fragilething in the existence of the
universe.
We don't have time to befighting and separating
ourselves.

(43:25):
We need to figure out a worktogether here, yeah, that they
get that celestial perspectiveon our place which we don't get.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
I totally get that.
It's the age-old problem, man,a colonization for the past.
What 1,000 years, maybe morethan 1,000 years, colonization
has been the way where thestronger nation comes to that

(43:54):
the smaller nation and overtakesit and presses the weaker into
service to the stronger.
I mean it started with theBabylonian Empire and then the
Babylonian Empire gave way tothe Medo-Persian Empire, which
gave way to the Grecian Empire,which gave way to the Roman
Empire, and then the RomanEmpire fragmented and became

(44:15):
basically what we see today.
Now there's, as a Christiantheologian, there's some
theology there, but I'll spareyou all that stuff.
But it's history.
World history is a history ofcolonization and and-.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Well, Rome's involvement in the birth of
Christianity is prettyfascinating.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Oh, it absolutely is.
It's the vehicle that was usedto spread it into the world.
You know, by the persecutionthereof, forced it to go out
into the world, and that's awhole other conversation, of
course, but what the point is isthat even to this day,
colonization continues.
This, our country, our taxdollars, is used all over the

(44:56):
world to colonize all kinds ofdifferent places.
We have 840 military bases allover the world, and they are
there to show dominance andcontrol over people, groups that
we have no business beinganywhere in.
And look at the expansion of thecrown in the 1600s throughout

(45:18):
the lesser Antilles down throughBarbados and all the islands
and the Caribbean.
And they just came onto thoseislands and said you now belong
to us, you are our slaves, weown all of your natural
resources.
We're promoting those and whenwe're done we're gonna leave you
.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
And you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
You can now worship us and thank us, and now you
have to talk like us look likeus and be like us, and that's
colonization, man, and maybe,maybe, somehow, you know, the
era of colonization is over.
You know, if we're looking at,look right now in Europe, what's
going on there with these warsand these color wars, fake wars,

(45:56):
proxy wars, all for the sake ofkeeping the American dollar,
the fiat dollar system, alive asthe global financial standard.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
People are afraid of change.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
They don't wanna change, you know, but there is
change on the horizon and it'stechnology.
And it's the generation my sonswho are in their 30s.
You know, it's their generation, my sons and daughters.
Their generation is the onethat has to step up and take
away the elite ability tocolonize others, you know, and

(46:34):
maybe bring about some sort ofindependence, you know, I don't
know what to call it, you know,but we all need to be free to
make our own mistakes and makeour own choices.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Well, we live in a country that we ourselves
colonized.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
And now we're like it's our country.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
You stay out of our country.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
It's true.
It's true, the crown.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
We colonized it and the Dutch colonized the Eastern
United States.
Sure, there were people here,there were indigenous people
here.
They perfectly find happy lives.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Well, you could argue that they were in bad shape.
The Indian nations were at warwith each other in a big way.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
They were slaughtering each other Sure
they were yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
It was the same thing colonization.
They were colonizing each otheras well, and we came along and
colonized the colonizers.
They were drawing theirboundary lines, still I often
wonder.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
You know, you ever wonder what?
Because that's one society thatwasn't allowed to progress
naturally the.
Indian nation and they're stuckin preservation mode.
They're trying to preserve theculture that they had at the
point where we ended it.
But I often wonder like whatwould it have evolved into if
they had been allowed to, if wehad never colonized America, if

(47:46):
they had their own nation?

Speaker 3 (47:48):
where would that have gone?

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Well, but it's kind of fascinating to imagine what
would have happened.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I think that they were a society on the downside
of their greatness, In otherwords they came out of the.
Aztec from the South and theindigenous peoples came up
through for a thousand years.
And then it became very tribalyeah, right, and by the time the

(48:13):
white man came with hisinfluenza to these shores, they
were already.
They were killing each otherman.
It was mass slaughter all overthe place.
They had depleted the natural,their natural resources, the
buffalo and all of the planesthey had completely depleted.
What the Indians yeah, they wereon the verge of depleting a lot

(48:33):
of it.
Yeah, they were not doing greatman.
They were not doing good whenwe got here.
Not that we helped them in anyway Don't get me wrong.
I'm not saying that.
But they were slaughtering eachother in a major way and they
were just colonizing each other,just like we were colonizing
them.
And now I don't know who'sgonna colonize us, because we're
in trouble here.
Man, who's coming on our shores, you know, to take over and say

(48:56):
you now belong to us?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
We're in this Aliens.
Well, I think we're in thisglobal place now.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, though, that's true.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
It's probably gonna become a more homogeneous one
thing.
I'm not against the idea, man,I'm not against it, I'm
certainly we won't know it, wewon't admit it, but there's
gonna be probably like one realpower that's pulling the strings
down the road.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
We'll see, We'll see.
I am an optimist when it comesto the future, just simply
because my faith dictates.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Well, you know science is hopeful because all
the great strides we're making,like the web telescope, for
example it takes so much moneyand resources that nations have
to work together to progressscience, right?
You see that there's like fivemajor countries that are working
on these projects and they'reindependently donating billions

(49:44):
of dollars and their brightestminds to work together on this
stuff, right?

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, and there's some hope in that I agree, and I
find I do a lot, a lot of studyon different things and I just
go down all these rabbit holes,but I'm finding that the
European mindset is becoming farmore superior from a frontier,

(50:09):
scientific, frontier attitudethan the good old US of A
mindset anymore.
We have corrupted ourselves sobadly that everything, anyone
who's in charge of anything, isthere as a grifter, it seems to
me, who is trying to enrichthemselves financially.
Right, and the government haspartnered with the large

(50:29):
corporations.
You cannot tell the differencebetween them anymore.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Partners are kind of word to use.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah, partners right and their only goal, it seems
like, is to continue to hold onto power and enrich themselves.
We've lost that ability to worktogether to create some sort of
scientific breakthrough.
I don't see any majorscientific breakthroughs coming
from this country that aren't incooperation with other nations.

(50:59):
Yeah, it needs to be incooperation with other nations,
because all we wanna do is allwe wanna do, is our elites wanna
hold us down and what theywanna do is enrich themselves
and their families at ourexpense.
And that has to stop, and Ithink that is going to stop very
quickly here and we are goingto see a new day come out, the
fourth turning.
Read the book.

(51:19):
It's a great book.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
You still need to read that.
You've mentioned it severaltimes.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
The author does not do the audio book, which I'm
never a fan of, but the guy thatdoes it does it pretty well, so
it's worth getting the fourthturning.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
The audio book's better.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
The audio book is good.
It's pretty good, yeah, thebook itself is.
You're gonna have to read it.
Well, I had to read it twicebecause it's a little in depth,
but it's very hard to deny thefact that societies do turn on
these cycles, and they make avery good case that we are on

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that fourth and final cyclewhere the end of the current
direction, the current leaders,the current all of it is
crashing and coming apart.
And who can deny that?
We see that happening all overthe world.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Let's hope so.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
And it's crumbling and crumbling and crumbling.
There'll be pain, there'll besome suffering, but out of that
comes something better, andthat's why I always say it's the
generation, it's the generationof my children, who are the
ones who are gonna have to makethe difference.
It's gonna be up to them, notme.
I'm an old man, I'm done.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
I'm part of the baby boomers.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
We were the problem, not the solution.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
You do hear that the baby boomers were part of them.
Big problem.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
They sold out their grandchildren's financial future
for a zero copay.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
So at what point does ?
When did that generation stop?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
See, I don't know if they ever started.
So the generation before them,okay, that was the generation
that actually they stepped upand went to World.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
War I and World War II.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
The greatest generation, right?
The baby boomers are those whothe boom of children that were
produced from those people.
So these are the we.
I'm the last generation.
I'm the last year.
I was born in 62.
So that's the last year of thebaby boomers.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Okay, that's what I was asking.
So, early 60s, Right right.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
So if you were born in, my wife was born in 64, she
thinks she's the last generationof boomers, but she's actually
the first generation of the nextand I don't know what they call
that.
I don't know what they'recalled, but the baby boomers are
.
And now, if you look, I'm 60and I'm the youngest year.
So the baby boomers are all old.
They're all old.
If you look at, look at ourgovernment officials, especially

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on the national level inWashington DC, the average age
there is 82.
Hello, is this thing on 82years old Sounds like
Freemasonry?
Sounds like Freemasonry?
Not for long.
Maybe the Freemasonry needs afourth turning as well?
Yeah, but nothing new, nothingbrave, nothing courageous can

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come from an 80 year old person.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
The thing is, like I'm not an ageist, like I think
there's great-.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Don't get me wrong.
Let me say that 80 year oldpeople I learn a lot from 80
year old people, because they'vebeen through life.
But their station in life is toshare wisdom, Not break new
boundaries.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Right, right, and I think Elon Musk said this you
can't shoot for eternal life,because society would never
change.
The only reason it changes isbecause generations die and
young people have new ideas theycan implement.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Right, and he's looking at it from a worldly, a
purely worldly perspective.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Right, this is a microcosm of that.
If we let the oldest of us runeverything as long as they're
there, nothing's gonna change.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
It's not really.
No, it's not gonna change.
Why would it?
It's not to their advantage tochange anything.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
The ideal situation is where you have a good
representation of across-section of your society
representing you in thegovernment.
So you've got young people, oldpeople, women, moms, everything
.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
However it plays out this is how we share ideas Our
founding fathers had the rightidea.
There's these checks andbalances against each other, and
people come to serve for thebenefit of society and then they
leave.
So we were never designed tohave senators that stay for 42
years in position.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
That's how you fix it .
Just make them two year terms,All our problems are gone.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Well now, I would agree with you 30 years ago, but
now, because the administrativestate has taken on a life of
its own, politicians don'treally mean anything, and we can
see that in the White Houseright now.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
They can say and do what they want.
It's like American gladiatorsthey just put that guy out there
to entertain us yeah Well, thestrings are being pulled in the
back.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
I would say that's been true for the last 20 years
myself.
But, like I said, I've said itbefore.
I get in a lot of trouble forit, but I really don't
participate much in the currentleft versus right political
scheme.
It's not my game.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah, that's wise.
Yeah, I'm done with it Allright, and we're only four, four
of these in, I think.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
The next one is music , I love music.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Go.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Music is that sublime science, music.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Is that Music?

Speaker 1 (56:18):
is that elevated science which affects the
passions by sound.
There are few who have not feltsuch charms that acknowledged
its expressions to beintelligible to the heart.
It is a language of delightfulsensations far more eloquent
than words.
It breathes to the ear theclearest intimations.

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It touches and gently agitatesthe agreeable and the sublime
passions.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
It dissolves, it wraps us, it wraps us in
melancholy and lifts us in joyand elevates us in joy.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Man, you better finish reading this All right,
all right.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Sublime passions.
It wraps us in melancholy andelevates us in joy.
It dissolves and inflames.
It melts us in tenderness andexcites us to war.
This science is truly congenialto the nature of man, for by
its powerful charms the mostdiscordant passions may be

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harmonized and brought intoperfect unison.
But it never sounds with suchsymphonic harmony as when
employed in singing hymns ofgratitude to the great creator
of the universe.
Wow, it says symphonic.
It says symphonic.
Oh, I learned seraphic.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Seraphic, oh well it is seraphic.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Seraphic is the verb for symphonic right.
I don't know.
I don't know either.
Obviously, somebody, ourEnglish majors, please chime in
here.
We need your help.
It's beautiful, thoughApparently desperately, it
really is beautiful.
The science is truly congenialto the nature of man.
For by its powerful charms, themost discordant passions may be

(58:00):
harmonized.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
This is like we could talk about this for an hour.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
We could.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Because music is a science People don't think about
it.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Absolutely a science In that way do they.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
But it is a science.
There are particular notes andparticular chords that we can
agree go well together andsomething that don't go together
, and how you arrange that andmix it at the small level and
the whole dictates beauty or itcould dictate.
You know, we have certainrhythms and sounds that we use

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only for war.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Right, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
That excite us and get us ready to like, put our
lives on the line.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
When the trumpet sounds, man Like it's our blood
going Right.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
There's music that can put you in a state where
you're ready to lay down yourlife or fight harder, just like
there's music that can make youfeel like you wanna hug someone
or cry Absolutely true andinvoke emotions like that in you
.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Music can do that to us, and the people that know how
to manipulate our emotionsthrough music are mad scientists
.
Man.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
It's really true.
What you said about music istrue.
It is mathematic.
It is three notes make a chordand so there's three.
So like, for instance, thechord of A would be in the A, c
and E notes together, so themajor being the A, so the A

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would be melody and then theother two would be harmony.
So if I were to sing a perfectA, okay, and then two other
people were to sing a perfect Cand E, you would have three
people singing a chord incomplete harmony, and it sounds
really beautiful.
Yeah, and it's amazing, but inguitar or piano, and you know

(59:51):
you play piano, so you know.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Kind of I don't know what notes or chords, I don't
think.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
But it's, it's.
It is part of the fabric, yeah,of human life and experience.
Music fits into geometry and itfits into mathematics, yeah.
And it fits in in such anamazing way.
Well, there goes the microphone.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Sounds have.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Like those yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Sounds have harmonics to them, and waves Absolutely,
oh yeah, yeah Well, theirfrequencies.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Patterns Right.
Yeah, 60 megahertz, frequencyRight.
And the faster the frequencygoes, the higher the sound and
electricity.
Electricity flows on frequency.
Sound is a frequency and musicis based in frequency and we
know a good sound from a badsound.
That's the other amazing part.
You don't have to be a musicianto know that when somebody's

(01:00:50):
singing off key Instinctively,it's horrible yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
And we I think we've talked about this before Like
we're hardwired to recognizesounds and for those sounds to
evoke emotions in us.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
At a primal level.
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Like the high pitched tweeting of a bird.
Yeah, sounds soothing andrelaxing to us.
Right it makes us feel safe.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
The low baritone growl of a large animal Sends a
chill down our spine.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Right Primally.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Yeah, those sounds evoke emotions in us, and music
is a continuation of the same.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I think, yeah, I like , I like where you're going with
that.
So you know, the roar of a lionLike I Terrifying, right, well,
I Primal, I mean we'reintelligent, we know we're safe.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
But if you were in the wild and you heard that and
you didn't know where it wascoming from, you're having a
brown pants moment.
You're having a moment, yeah,instinctively, you can't stop it
.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Yeah, so that those sounds like I exercise on Celery
Hill, which is a hill Used tobe a dump.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Yeah, we turned it into a park.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
But it's the closest thing we have to an actual hill
here in Florida.
But I work out there.
Well, on the other side of itis a place called Big Cat
Preserve and every time I'm outthere working out you can hear
yeah, we have Big Cat.
Preserve.
We have Big Cat Preserve.
You can hear the lions roaring.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
And it is intimidating even though they're
in cages, you know, 200 yardsaway, I mean, and it does invoke
this wow, that creature isabsolutely magnificent, you're
not?

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
gonna not snap your neck towards that sound when you
hear it.
Every time it's gonna hold yourattention.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
But the interesting thing is that music, we humans
have taken sounds, have takenthese sounds and we have
transformed them into thissystem of sound, recognized
sounds that provoke theseemotions and convey all these

(01:02:46):
messages.
I mean, I know, for me, Ilisten to a lot of hymns, the
old hymns you know from way backwhen you know in the 1600s and
1700s, a lot of the hymns thatwere written, and those hymns,
when you sing them, they causeyou to memorize these messages
and it's so powerful and it'sabsolutely amazing to me how

(01:03:12):
intricate the idea and conceptof music is.
I mean, I grew up in the 80s,you know, and so for me classic
rock was everything and some ofthe music from that era is just
absolutely stuck with me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
You know it is absolutely like anything.
Yes, the band yes Ever did isjust stuck with me.
Pink Floyd, and you know someof the high quality stuff from
that era of musicianship.
You know I'm not gonna commenton today's music, but back then
it really made an impressionupon me.

(01:03:50):
For good or for bad, itabsolutely became part of the
fabric of who?

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
I am.
I think every generationprobably experiences that yeah
absolutely.
Because, in the form of yearsof your youth, music really is
an important part of your life.
It really is it really doeshelp you connect with your
generation really.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
It does.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Because you all are listening to the same stuff.
You all are feeling the samethings.
There's a connecting aspect toit.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
And then you get older and the music changes and
you're like ah, ah, ah.
Well, that's true, they're olddays and we were all listening
to this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
And my parents said the same thing to me and I say
the same thing to my kids.
Yeah, it happens, and I'm withyou, man, right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
It was different music for my generation, but we
had the same stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
I hear the same crap now and I'm like this ain't
music.
Right, yeah, well, I was likeyou're old, I'm like no,
literally they're not singing.
They're not singing, they'remaking weird sound.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Yeah, like last night I was at the shrine and out on
the Tiki Hut.
They got a big, beautiful TikiHut restaurant there that they
built.
And yeah, the Tiki Hut theaverage age is my age over there
.
Let's just be honest.
It's an older crowd of peoplethat go to the shrine and
participate there, but for somereason the bartenders decided to
put late 90s, early 2000s hiphop.

(01:05:01):
I'm sorry, it's probably evenearlier stuff.
I mean modern hip hop, gruntingand grinding kind of female
sounds coming out of thisbeatbox sound and everybody in
there's got this.
Look on their face like what?

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
is this.
So yeah, they didn't catchtheir audience, huh.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
They did not catch the audience at all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
No, they missed it completely and we're all just
looking like what the heck isgoing on here, but the point
we're closer there after lodgeand they're always doing karaoke
, so it's a mixed bag Every timeI go over there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Well, I'm not sure about it.
Karaoke is kind of defies thebeauty and laws of music,
because this is a chance forpeople who are not musicians to
get up and actually sing.
And that's when you hear thosehorrible off tones from people
who are doing their very bestand trying to be, the star of

(01:05:54):
the show.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
It's like hit and miss, Even in the same song.
Sometimes they'll be on it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
And I'm like dang.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
And then they get into the other part and you're
like, ooh, do you hear yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Yeah, right, right, yeah, yeah, I don't know how do
we get on?
Music.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Oh, music, music, Music and of course it goes
immediately to karaoke.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Of course, we always find the lowest way to talk
about something.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
That's right.
But the science is trulycongenial to the nature of man,
for by its powerful charms themost discordant passions may be
harmonized and brought intoperfect unison.
But it never sounds with suchserphonic harmony, seraphic,
seraphic harmony, as whenemployed in singing hymns of

(01:06:36):
gratitude to the great creatorof the universe.
I just really appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
You know what they say there.
It's really true.
There's some people whoprobably know this.
There's a Christian musicalgroup called Hillsong.
Oh, yeah, yeah, it's a churchbut I think the musical group
really made the name for themHillsong Right and they
revolutionized how churches domusic.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
They made it more modernized.
It's like they're using.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
They turned it into a $2.5 billion year industry
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
It's so powerful because now, when people come to
your service, they feel likethey had an emotional experience
.
A spiritual experience.
They feel that and it's themusic that's evoking that in
them, not the message.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
That's true.
They don't know any differentRight.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
And so at the church, I think they found music to be
a powerful way to connect withtheir audience as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
I think that music has always been a powerful way
to convey the message, but thesepeople took it to this extreme
and then changed the message tofit their narrative.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
They like modernized it, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
And then took it to a global audience, where they all
became very, very wealthy.
Oh yeah, and it all fell apartin a most magnificent way.
Yeah, and they embarrassedthemselves and the entire idea,
which is just ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
But whatever I think the band and the people involved
with making that music had goodintentions.
Well, there was a lady whostarted it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Her name was Darlene Czech and she was one of the
early ones Beautiful voice, Imean powerful, beautiful voice,
and it was in the very beginningwhere the ideas and the
concepts that were taughtthrough the music, the message
of the music was sound and itwas good.
But that woman, she becamequite wealthy quite quickly and

(01:08:28):
I don't know what became of her.
I certainly not going tocomment on her status, but I
think that once history shows usthat, once the big money comes
in, things change.
You forget your originalconcept, you forget your charter
and you begin to do whateveryou got to do to keep the money

(01:08:49):
train going.
And it's just human nature.
The big money corrupts, big, itjust does.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
For the good or bad of it.
You can't deny that music hashad a major impact on the
modernization of religion.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
And on that let's finish with the final one
astronomy.
Astronomy, is that sublime.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Science which inspires the contemplative mind
to soar, loft and read thewisdom, strength and beauty of
the great creator of the heavens.
Assisted by astronomy, weascertain the laws which govern
the heavenly bodies and by whichtheir emotions are directed.
Investigate the power by whichthey circulate in their orbs,

(01:09:28):
discover their size, determinetheir distance, display their
various phenomena and correctthe fallacy of the senses by the
light of truth.
How nobly eloquent of the deityis the celestial hemisphere
spangled with the mostmagnificent heralds of his
infinite glory.
They speak to the wholeuniverse, for there is no speech

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so barbarous but their languageis understood, no nation so
distant, but their voices areheard.
Among them, the heavensproclaim the glory of God, the
firmament declare the work ofhis hands.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
That quote right there is from Psalm 19.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
You actually quoted that at the last podcast.
Yeah, you did.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
And it's true, and that is probably the basis of
this.
Now, that's, of course, thewritings of David, king David,
which is Solomon's son.
So we're not far off a masonryhere, because a lot of masonry
is based on Solomon's writingsin life, and the things he did.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
He was the wisest king, supposedly.
Whoever lived?

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
And he was taught by his father, king David, and it
proclaims that the infiniteglory.
And astronomy is that scienceof star gazing, of gazing into
the universe and contemplatingits beauty, its magnificence and
its design.

(01:10:56):
My goodness, if you just lookat the Earth's rotation, that
what is it?
27.6 degrees, a perfect pitch.
It runs around in this perfectcircuit that continues to go.
Generation after generationmove it by one degree and all
life on Earth ceases to exist.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
You know it's this fine tuning of the universe
speaks of a very powerful mindthat put it together and
maintains it.
It's really tough, in an age ofscientific enlightenment, to
get around that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
This is one of the great things that's happening, I
think, right now.
Science is helping us connectto our faith.
The scientists thought they hadit all figured out.
It was so simple.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Right, it's very cut and dry.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
This must have happened, but with the
technology we have and thethings we're doing now, they are
realizing they've been wrong alot.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
About things that they thought were for sure.
The way things are.
And some of them are almostwilling to admit it, yeah some
of them almost, but I meanthere's new branches of science
that didn't even exist fiveyears ago right now.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Right, we are clearly in that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
That's how fast we're advancing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
The age of scientific enlightenment is just
accelerating faster and fasterand faster, and it keeps
pointing to the thing that thislittle masonic monitor is
pointing out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Is it what we thought ?
Is it exactly what we thought?
Was there a man, a white manwith a beard in the sky, who was
pointing down, maybe notexactly like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Da Vinci, that's Da Vinci's painting.
Yes, I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
But the consciousness cannot be denied.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
No, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
And that's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Even scientists now are starting to say what they're
seeing is shocking.
Right, the universe expansionis giving them a better
understanding of that.
It had a beginning, and ifthere was a beginning of what
was before that, we clearlythink we know.
And then we realize we've onlyseen a small little speck of
reality.
It's so much bigger than wethought and so different than we

(01:12:56):
thought.
And so now, finally, thescientists are starting to
finally get.
We don't really know.
We're seeing more, but we don'treally know and we're not going
to say this is this.
But what I think a lot ofscientists are starting to say
is there is an undeniableconsciousness behind everything.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Undeniable.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
You can't deny it and you can choose not to call it,
if God, if you want.
But I just talked to a PhDyesterday who has a book coming
out called the God Consciousness.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
And this is a scientist, astrophysicist, who
has found God through the studyof the stars.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Yeah, it's happening more and more.
You can't deny the design.
And if, look, if I walk by abuilding downtown and I tell you
that this building had anarchitect and if I ask you, do
you know the architect?
And they say no, and then theyask me well, how do you know the
building had an architect?

(01:13:51):
The reason I know the buildinghad an architect is because the
building exists, it's there.
The building exists, thereforethere must have been an existor.
It has to be.
There's just too much evidenceof it.
And that's the basis ofintelligent design, that the
intelligent design theory saysthat, based on advanced

(01:14:13):
scientific study, it is more andmore clear all the time that
there is a mind, a very powerful, a very advanced mind, behind
it A consciousness.
You can call it that.
I mean some people call it.
What is it Chi you?

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
can call it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
I mean An energy, right, but me, I'm a Christian.
I call it Yahweh, but that'syou know, that's um.
I thought the Jews called itYahweh.
Yahweh, which is it, just meansI am, that's the name he told
Moses, you actually don't use.
Yahweh.
I don't use the name Yahweh noFather, son and Holy Spirit, but
that's me because of my faith.
You may be as a Mason from adifferent faith, but what we can

(01:14:54):
all agree on is the concept ofintelligent design and, as a
matter of fact, as a Mason, youmade a profession to deity,
which would speak to anintelligent designer Because we
call him the great architect ofthe universe.
I don't know what else youwould consider the great
architect of this magnificent,very detailed, like clockwork

(01:15:16):
universe, other than you knowwhat I was going to say.
Sorry, I got in a rabbit's hole, let me get back.
It's interesting to me.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Happens to both of I know right, those poor rabbits,
man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
What's interesting to me is in, scientific
advancement Continues to push uscloser and closer and closer to
a point where our scientific,empirical, scientific, as if
scientific evidence stops andSomething that I believe begins,
because you get to a pointwhere you just have to believe

(01:15:53):
some stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Yeah, I mean.
I think one thing that it'simpossible for anyone to deny is
that we currently don't havethe capabilities to fully
Understand the nature of theuniverse.
Absolutely we're not given thosethings, or even the most simple
thing, reality.
We don't really understand itfully and I think people are
starting to agree that we maynever get to understand it in

(01:16:17):
our lifetimes, but it's thepursuit of the understanding
that brings us closer.
Every new thing we learn Givesus a little bit more light and
connection to Whatever thecreator consciousness that made.
All this is right, we are apart of it.
Yeah, we are Influencing it.
We are able to influence itthrough our own, obviously,

(01:16:40):
actions.
Collectively through time, notas individuals.
When you look at the universeand the scale of time, it's
ridiculous right, and to me italways comes down to just a
scale.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
It's a scale.
It's what is the most plausibleExplanation based on the
information that you currentlyhave, and I I challenge every
person out there to to considerwhy are we here?
Why is there something ratherthan nothing?
Nothing is easier.
Achieving nothing is far easierthan achieving this that we

(01:17:12):
have seen all around us.
Why, why?
Why ask yourself thesequestions?
What is the most plausibleexplanation, given the facts
that you have At your disposal,for our existence?
I have done that.
I spent 30 years doing it.
I'm I am convinced and I'm open.
I'm open to discussion.
Obviously, I'm on the showtalking about that all the time,
but I am convinced because Ihave done the work.

(01:17:36):
I encourage every man out theredo the work.
I'm not going to do it for you.
You have to do it yourselfsearch, seek, pray, ask, do all
the things that your masonic,your, your masonic teaching,
tells you.
You know what does it say?
Seek, knock, ask, do all ofthese things, and seek it with

(01:17:57):
all your heart.
What is the most plausibleexplanation?
Why are you here?
What is the most plausibleexplanation for that?
It is a great study.
You will not regret it.
You won't regret it, yeah, andif you do?

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
that I doubt you're gonna come to the conclusion
that you're here to makeyourself as wealthy, powerful
and and have the ability tosubjugate as many other people.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Amen, possibly can.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
That's not the good, that is not gonna be the
conclusion Anyone is gonna cometo regardless of where they
settle on.
Absolutely they're all gonna becloser to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
We're here to help others.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
We're here to connect ourselves as a species and
improve the situation of ourspecies through time, and our
family and our friends and thepeople that are connected to us
we have influence over in oursmall lifetime, right, so we
should use that influence tohelp them.
That's that's kind of theconclusion that everyone who
does any study Will come to.

(01:18:46):
Yeah, naturally, that's right.
We ain't here to make ourselves, an island unto ourselves,
because when you do in the world, you'll be miserable.
You're miserable.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
You'll be the most miserable person.
Jay Paul Getty.
On his deathbed.
Jay Paul Getty, the wealthiestman in the world, he said I am
the most miserable man on earth.
We all think money's gonna fixour problems.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
It didn't fix his, it did all those people they died
with their children hating them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
And their, their lives.
You know, they had all themoney in the world, but they,
they died Lonely, you know, andwith without anything.
And and then you know it, likeyou said, you're, you're so
right, chris, that you neverhappens if you seek, if you seek
.
The the truth about why you'rehere.
What is the most possibleexplanation?
You will quickly find that itis.

(01:19:31):
It is to love others, it is tocare for others, it is to be in
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
You're going through one of the most traumatic things
.
Yeah, you've been through rightin a while and you're like I
actually feel okay because Ihave some comfort and support
and that Makes it okay.
Yeah, and that that is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
That that is what's good about life.
That is what's right about lifeis is loving and caring.
You are, you are your brother'skeeper, you, you are
responsible for the welfare ofthe people around you.
We all are, and we we find thathard to believe in this day and
age, but it is.
The most satisfying andfulfilling part of the human
experience Is giving yourself onbehalf of another.

(01:20:17):
That's why.
That's why a true, a truemarriage Is is so rewarding,
because you're constantly givingof yourself to another, who is
constantly giving themselves toyou, and it's this union that
builds.
It's not perfect, obviously,there's two humans involved, but
it's, it's a perfect example.
It was perfect.
No, it wouldn't be fun at all,all right, there's no makeup.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
The makeup part is good.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Oh, yeah, for sure yeah just don't do it too often
every day.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Yeah, right, right.
So anyways, the message goahead.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Yesterday, uh, I was referred a potential business
opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
And this person happens to be a mason from Ohio.
He's never been to a lodge inflorida, okay, but I'm, we're
aware now that we're both masonsand unfortunately, I'm in a
room full of non-masons so wecan't keep going.
I'm in a room full of non-masonso we can't geek out or
anything, right, right, but atthe end of it, at the end of the
whole meeting, he's, he slipsup and he's like the

(01:21:16):
conversation turned towards thathe's trying to make his company
a good, a force for good in inthe world and he wants to get
back to charity.
And we have the masonicconversation in front of these
people who, many of them, thinkweird things about free mason
because I don't clarify it toanybody.
Uh, I keep it to myself and thispodcast even in my own company.

(01:21:37):
But they see me dressing up andthey're like wow, some weird,
this guy's a weird.
So, now there's another onethat he's never met and they're
observing.
And this guy's saying what wesay every day and he's from Ohio
never stepped foot in the lodgein florida.
No way.
We've ever communicated.
We don't even share the samesystem of government, but he's
like the sole purpose I have inthis world is to connect and

(01:22:00):
help other people.
Right to make their lives alittle better.
And in doing that it makes mylife better.
And when the time comes, when Ineed help, I'm gonna have so
much of it and this is thepurpose of humanity.
And then I say I love it.
I love what you said and I addto it and we're speaking the
same language, that's thelanguage of free masonry.
It really is right.

(01:22:20):
It's a compassion, love,connecting charity towards
others.
I never met him he's from acompletely different
jurisdiction but he's a goodenough mason that he learned
that from masonry right and Ilove what you just said.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
That's the language of free masonry.
Yeah, cooperation, love,respect, trying to, trying to
make my area of influence betterthan than when I found it, you
know, and and make the lives ofthe people around me better, you
know when you talk like thataround a group of profane people
in a profane world, youliterally are a beacon of light

(01:22:54):
in the darkness.
Yeah, you're right, people dorespond, they respond to it and
they're like Whoa, this feelsgood.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
There's warms coming out of that light right, I want,
I want to be around that Likethis is a little you know this
might save me and you draw themto you and they become
interested in what the hell isthis Free masonry thing.
Yeah they taught these peopleto think this way and they feel
this way and they're acting thisway.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Right, I want that for me and it's an organized,
it's a fraternal organization ofmen who are trying to impact
their community In a positiveway by making themselves better,
by making each other better, bylifting each other up and, like
you said you, you're talking toa guy that you've never met,
right Personally no right,You're on the phone with him and

(01:23:39):
he's from ohi, he's across thecountry.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Came into the office and you have.
He's working here in florida,lives here.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Yeah, but he's been so busy hasn't been the lodge so
that in a while, thecommonality yeah is.
Is so striking that the peoplein the room are like whoa, whoa,
they know what.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
We've never met, but we're speaking the same language
.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
I love that, the language of major beautiful
language to speak in the world.
So that's, that's a good segueto stop right there.
And and the question we wouldask you guys listening is are
you speaking the language ofmasonry?

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Yeah, not just in the lodge, not just your brothers,
not to look like you're the bestmason in the room.
Yeah, I would out in the worldaround, non mason.
It's right.
It's hard to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Yeah, that's, that's right, and, and, and I would
just say to my masonic brothersyou know, um, you know what,
what are your motivations?
What, what are, what is yourmotivation to whatever it is
you're trying to do, whetherinside the lodge or outside the
lodge, you know, are youspeaking that language?
Are you speaking words of life,um, words of healing, or are

(01:24:40):
you just trying to get your ownway?
Are you just trying to buildyour own empire?
Do your own thing, changeeverything you know because you
know better than everybody else?
Well, maybe, maybe you shouldslow down, um, and and, and.
Just just take a, take a lookin the mirror and ask yourself
that question Are my words wordsof life and words of healing?
or are my or are they words ofself preservation?

(01:25:03):
Um, and trying to do my ownthing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Well, that's the language, the word the world is
teaching us to speak.
Yeah, that's right and we haveto like learn a second language
a second language.
Which should be our naturallanguage, but we grew up in this
Other one right and we have tolearn to speak this language,
because it's the true, nature,natural language that we should
yeah, I mean always have beenspeaking, but yeah, we were

(01:25:28):
basically domesticated.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
We were domesticated cats.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Man like an animal we got domesticated, and now we do
.
You know what they want us todo.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Yeah, that's right, which is hate each other and
stay distracted and keep buyingthings.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Yeah, man Not, not to find some happiness in this
broken place that we live.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Yeah, I love it, I love it.
That's a great, the great placeto stop um.
Well, brother, another greatshow.
We finished.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Uh, the um, the fellowcraft, uh, lecture, at
least what we're going to giveyou on what we could do it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Please, please, please, get your Florida masonic
monitor, or Equivalent, basedon where you are at, what state
you're at, and please read it.
Please read the lecture, studythe lecture, know these lectures
talk about it with other masons.
There's so much in there.
The the writing is eloquent, um, and it's it's well thought out
and it will.
It will spark wonderfulconversations for you.

(01:26:22):
It'll build you up, uh, in yourmasonic career, uh, and
hopefully you'll take that outand you'll go speak the language
of masonry to somebody whoneeds it and yeah, that's what
this show's about.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
I'm not perfect, red's not perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
We're making mistakes out here publicly.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Yeah, everybody.
But we keep moving forward, wekeep trying to learn from our
mistakes and, most importantly,we apologize.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
We apologize always and I hope, I hope everybody
knows that If we've saidanything or done anything to
offend anybody on this show,please understand we we do not
claim to be perfect In any ways.
We we're trying our best to toshare something that we really
love and that's that's ourfraternal order, our fraternity

(01:27:06):
Um of masonry.
We love it and we want to seeit prosper.
We want to protect it and andwe want to share as much of it
as we can with as many people aswe can, because we really
believe that it has something tooffer for this, this crumbling
society.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
It could be the only thing that we have to save us in
the future here.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
It could be.
It could be because it ittranscends all faiths and it
transcends all political parties.
It transcends all of thosethings.
We could, we could Be asolution, a movement for, for
individual peace and harmony, um, for, for for everyone.
It it could happen.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
It could happen.
Bring back the masonic party,come on bring back the masonic.
Well, yeah, you're a firstcandidate, fred.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's gonna go over real well.
Yeah, I'm not.
Wait, I can't be a candidatefor high office.
I'm not 80 years old yet.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
Okay, okay, you got to wait till you're 82 season.
You up a little and yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
All right, that's it for me.
What about you, chris?
What do you got?
Send us out really interested.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Grandmaster visits tonight.
Yes can't wait to welcome mostworshipful glenn bishop and his
grand Line into our, our littleshrine here.
Yeah, that's gonna be realexciting.
Uh, I can tell you that I justhad a text during the podcast
with most worshipful foster.
Yes, we are set to record withhim next Friday morning at 7 30

(01:28:30):
am All right, all right,excellent.
Not next week but the weekafter we'll finally have most
worshipful fosters podcast.
Oh, that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
That's great.
Now he won't be at tonight'sthing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
No, he's not okay tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
All right, I uh that's that's okay.
So that's exciting news.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Thanks guys, that was an awesome interview.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Yeah, he's a great guy, so excited.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
Yeah, to get another chance to bring his voice to the
world man.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
He's one of our heavy hitters man, so we're we're
excited to get him back.
Most worshipful foster, thankyou in advance.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
For what is going to be being very patient with us.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
We most appreciate it and, uh, yeah, I look forward
to doing it and I look forwardto hearing it.
So, all right, all right, guys.
So, um, any questions, comments, anything at all, please just
just email us straight up If youdon't like what you're hearing,
if you feel like we've saidsomething that is not you know,
that's not right or that maybeyou we should talk about.

(01:29:27):
We're always open to talk toanybody out there who feels that
we have done them any kind ofwrong or harm.
We're 100 transparent here, man.
We're not trying to harmanybody.
We're trying to protect thefraternity that we love, and we
hope you are too.
So well, uh, like, I'm tryingto trying to come up with my
parting shot, and so far it'sthis now that you've heard what
you heard, go back to your lodgeand build it strong, brother.

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