Healing and Growth: Embrace Your Past to Empower Your Future

Have you ever wondered how to turn your deepest struggles into your greatest strengths? Denise G Lee, a transformative business coach and survivor, shares her remarkable journey of healing and empowerment, illustrating how embracing one's past can transform it into a powerful force for good.

Through her experiences as an incest and rape survivor, as well as a recovering sexaholic and alcoholic, Denise offers a deeply personal perspective that resonates with those seeking personal growth and professional clarity. She emphasizes the importance of mindset transformation, healing, and authentic connections in leadership. Join host Michael Herst as they delve into insightful discussions that inspire listeners to take action in their own lives, encouraging them to excavate their emotional baggage and embrace their true selves.

Show Notes

Denise G. Lee shares her extraordinary journey from trauma to triumph, revealing how her experiences as a survivor of incest and rape, coupled with her struggles with addiction, have shaped her into a transformative business coach. In a candid conversation with host Michael Herst, Denise emphasizes the importance of embracing one's past as a catalyst for personal growth and healing. She discusses her mission to empower leaders by helping them transform their mindsets and prioritize their healing journeys. Throughout the episode, Denise challenges the notion that success can only be achieved through traditional paths, advocating instead for authenticity and emotional intelligence in leadership. She illustrates how her courses blend practical strategies with insights from her own life, creating a unique framework that encourages individuals to connect deeply with their audience and themselves. This episode serves as a compelling reminder that our struggles can be powerful sources of strength when we choose to confront and integrate them into our lives, ultimately leading to meaningful connections and positive change.

The conversation delves into the complexities of trauma and its lasting impact on individuals, particularly in professional settings. Denise reflects on her turbulent upbringing and the chaos that defined her early life, drawing parallels to the challenges faced by many professionals who often feel the weight of societal and familial expectations. Michael and Denise explore how these pressures can lead to feelings of inadequacy and the importance of creating a supportive environment where individuals can thrive. Denise’s insights on the necessity of vulnerability in leadership resonate throughout the discussion, highlighting that true strength lies in the ability to be open and honest about one’s experiences. Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their own journeys and consider how embracing their vulnerabilities can pave the way for personal and professional fulfillment.

As the episode progresses, Denise shares practical advice for those seeking to break free from the constraints of their past and redefine their futures. She stresses the significance of mindset and intentionality in shaping one's direction, urging listeners to confront their fears and embrace the unknown as a path to growth. The discussion touches on the transformative power of community and the role it plays in healing, as Denise emphasizes that no one should navigate their struggles alone. By fostering connections with others and being willing to share one's story, individuals can create a ripple effect that empowers not only themselves but also those around them. This engaging and thought-provoking episode leaves a lasting impression, inspiring listeners to take actionable steps towards healing and personal empowerment, while recognizing that their past does not define their future.

Takeaways:

• Denise G. Lee emphasizes that transforming past trauma into strengths is crucial for healing.
• Recognizing personal struggles as a common human...

Episode Transcript

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Hey, one more thing before yougo. Have you ever wondered how to
turn your deepest strugglesinto your greatest strengths? What
if the key to healing andgrowth lies in embracing your past
and transforming it into apowerful force for good? In this
episode, we're going to answerthese questions and many, many more
when we have a conversationwith my extraordinary guest whose
story and expertise will leaveyou inspired and motivated to take

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action in your own life. I'myour host, Michael Hurst. Welcome
to one more thing before yougo. My guest today is Denise G. Lee.

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She's a transformativebusiness coach, a podcast host, and
creator of courses designed tohelp individuals heal, grow and lead.
Drawing on her own journey asan incest and rape survivor and a
recovering alcoholic andsexaholic, Denise brings a deeply
personal and empatheticperspective to her work. Her mission

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is to empower leaders totransform their mindsets, prioritize
their healing, and buildmeaningful connections with her audience
as the host of the IntrovertedEntrepreneur podcast. It's a really
good podcast. Have listened toit. You're going to have to, but
listen to this one first.Denise inspires listeners with insightful
discussions that resonatedeeply with with those seeking personal

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growth and professionalclarity. Her courses combine practical
strategies with emotionalintelligence, setting her apart as
a thought leader in the fieldof healing and leadership. Her website,
deniseglee.com served as a hubfor articles and resources, positioning
her as a trusted guide formaking those looking to make lasting
impressions in their lives andbusinesses. So get ready for an enlightening

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conversation and welcome tothis show. Denise, Michael.
Blessings. Blessings. We'regoing to have a great conversation.
Yes, we are. You an amazing,amazing journey that you've had in
your life, especially becomingor coming from being a trauma survivor
in so many different ways. I'mexcited to kind of share that journey

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and look where you're attoday. I mean, that's definitely
triumph over tragedy.
Everybody at one point intheir life has experienced trauma.
Like 90% of us. I hardly issomebody farting rainbows and sparkling
unicorns and living their bestlife, right? Fabulous, beautiful

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life. We've all going throughsomething, right? It's the issue
of what have you done with itthat counts.
Absolutely brilliant words ofwisdom there. I think that, you know,
we, especially in my oldprofession, in my life, my childhood,
I can absolutely emphasizethat. And realistically I think that

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it's that old cliche is thatonce we go through something, we
have a choice. And I thinkthose times that we are presented
with a choice, we can moveforward, we can stay where we're
at or we can fall back. Ithink that helps us to define who
we are and who we become. So.And you've got answers. So I mean,

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I can't wait to kind of getinto this. You are a trauma survivor.
You had a rocky childhood andunsteady adulthood. Can we talk a
little bit about that?
Yeah. So, you know, every timeI talk about my childhood, it always
feels like I'm talking aboutsomebody else's stuff. Like I'm like
reading through some Hollywoodscript, right? Cute tears, you know,

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explosions and crashes alongthe way. But what happened to me,
I know it happened to mebecause like, I have memories of
it. You know, I grew up rightoutside the Washington D.C. metropolitan
area, Silver Spring, Maryland.And I'm a child of two Sierra Leone
immigrants. And on the outsidewe looked like we were like the Jeffersons.

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We were moving on up. In fact,we lived in a nice upper middle class
neighborhood and Jewishneighborhood. And inside it was like
a house of horrors. My fatherwas, even though he was a banker,
executive banker, you know, hewas also a philander, he was gone,
out partying, doing whatever.And my mother was seething angry.

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And on top of it, she had, Iknow for a fact she had had and probably
does have emotional issues.And during, from as long as I can
remember up to 14, beforechild protective services took me
away, you know, she abused mementally, physically, sexually, you
know, and I couldn't reallyunderstand a life other than chaos,

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confusion, yelling, screaming.I mean, I remember so many times,
like when my mother would getinto rage, she sometimes she would
just strip her clothes nakedand run around the house, sometimes
with a knife in her hand. Iremember like when I got in fights
with my brothers, she thoughtit was a great time to call the cops
because she couldn't handledealing with people without it exploding
into craziness. And throughthat experience I just replicated

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with new Playmate addiction,specifically alcohol. I was drinking
heavily since as long as Ican. 16, 17, I was a chain smoker.
I was introduced to smokingvia one of my dad's ex girlfriends.
And I just couldn't reallylive life normally. I shouldn't say

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normally, I should say like ina healthy way because all I knew
was just to replicate what Iknew. And I know I'm glossing over
so much Michael, but sufficeto say, like my life was just turbulent
because I didn't know whatstability looked like.
Yeah, it's interesting when wecome from a dysfunctional family
like that and you know, thereare many, many, many of this out

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there that, you know, younever know what goes on behind closed
doors. And, you know, I foundthat in my personal life as well,
but especially when I was apolice officer, because, you know,
you would have. You go intoneighborhoods, it didn't matter.
You saw the worst of theworst, and you saw the best people
at their worst in thosesituations. And you. And this is

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not speaking to youindividually, but you as an audience,
you wouldn't believe what goeson behind closed doors, especially
in neighborhoods that youwould never think did. When you think
everything is silver spoonsand happy, and it could be the most
chaotic aspect of somebody'slife that they ever experienced.

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But you made a journey out ofthis. You worked your way out of
that environment. But I'm sureit took a while, that journey. You
said you were addicted. Yougot into alcohol and drugs.
Did you say no? Well, if. Ifyou count sugar addiction as a drug,
which probably it is withinitself. I mean, no, through science,

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that the effects that it hason our mind biochemically is no different
than storing up a line of coke.
Yeah.
It's consumed enough.
Yep, absolutely. So, you know,it. Sometimes it takes us a jolt.
What, what kind of. At whatpoint did you realize, or what. What

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was your doorstop? What. Whathappened? How did you come out of
that? How did you realize thatthis is not good for me? This is
what I need to change is this.I don't want this anymore. And. And,
you know, how did you walkthrough that door?
Well, I can't speak toeverybody's journey for sure, but
I can speak to what happenedto me. And quite frankly, Michael,
it was an issue of askingmyself, like, how low did I want

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to go? I mean, I cannot tellyou how many scenarios where my life
was threatened. I was in verydangerous situations. I think about
being raped by a boyfriend,being dragged out to a place with
no money, and given the optionof we're either going to have sex
or. Or things are not going togo well and think, and then wanting

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to marry him later after that.Someone who's done that. I mean,
I think about, you know,driving home drunk with people who
are more heavily intoxicatedthan me, not thinking that this.
This car can be wrapped arounda tree, having sex with strangers
at work, with people I barelyeven knew. I mean, it was just so

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many dangerous situationsafter dangerous situations. And it
wasn't really, honestly apoint where I woke up and said, you
know, knees, I want you to bebetter. I just want you to do better.
It was never that situation.It was the threat of either losing
my. I shouldn't even saylosing my life. It was a threat of
honestly realizing that if Igo any further down, I actually.

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There's nothing else left. Andso I don't want to sit here and tell
everybody who's listening orwatching this. I think I had an epiphany.
And one day I just wantedbetter for my life. It literally
just got to the point where Ihit my bottom and I knew I couldn't
go any further down and in.And during all this time I was in
therapy, which is kind ofweird because like I'm. I'm drinking,

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I'm drugging, I'm involved inthese situations. But you're in therapy.
Yeah. And so that's reallycommon a lot for trauma survivors
where they're quote, unquotein therapy, but they're not getting
healed, they're not gettingwell. And my moment came when literally
I was first involved inSexaholics Anonymous as a 12 step
spin off of AA, AlcoholicsAnonymous. And I actually had to

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talk with people who did worsethan me and could see through my
BS and can say, hey, let'sfinally address the things that you
are running away from so manyyears ago.
That's actually interesting,the way that transpired, because
I've dealt with my. Both myparents were alcoholics and I watched
my father go through treatmentcenters quite a bit in aa and it

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worked for him up to aparticular point point. But at one,
he kind of learned how to. AndI'm sure that that's why it was really
cool the fact that somebodyhad actually seen through your as.
As you. It. It is, it's, youknow, he, he was able to play the

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game. And when he realizedthat, you know, hey, I can just go
in and play this game and thenstill get away with it. And when
I leave there, I go back todoing what, then show up to the meeting
like the court ordered andthen play their little game for a
little bit and then go backand doing what I was doing. And you
know, unfortunately, otheroutside forces put a stop to his.

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You know, you were at least Ithink, lucky enough to have somebody
kind of, kind of stop you onit. Did you have any aspirations
to go to college? University?What did you want to be when you
grew up? Did you. Did you wantto be an astronaut or a yacht captain
or a cook?
I just wanted to be loved,Michael. I didn't care about school.

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In fact, I graduated a yearearly from high school because I
couldn't get along withpeople. And I thought it was just
the kids at high school. Itwas them, right? Yeah. It took me
five years to graduate collegebecause it's not me. It was too hard.
It was them. They made thestandard too hard for me. I was always
externalizing it. I didn't. SoI think about my professional life,

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I think about my academiclife, and it never came from a place
of I wanted to learn and growand how it was just like, what can
I do to get people to notridicule me, shame me, and ultimately
love me?
Yeah, that I think. I thinkthere are more people out there that
are in that particularposition than we really want to admit

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to.
Yeah. Yeah. It's hard becauseit's like, wait a minute, you got
a degree that you. I have adual degree in environmental science
and geography that I haven'tused in almost 10. Over 10 years.
Right. It's just sittingthere. It's like, rolled up in a
tube in my closet. Like, Idon't even use it because when I
think about everything that Idid that surrounded, accumulating

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that degree while zonked out,drugged out, was from a state of
insecurity fears and justwanting desperately to have someone
applaud me.
And coming from the type offamily that you came from, I understand
that. I think that there arethose of us that grew up in an environment,
a dysfunctional environmentlike that. We're always seeking the

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attention that we didn't get,or the love that we didn't get, or
that we felt we should havegotten. And I think it opens the
door, as you just presented,it opens doors to doing things that
we're not really proud of anddoing things that are detrimental
to ourselves and those aroundus. What inspired you to become a

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transformative business coach?I mean, in business in particular,
actually.
You know, it's funny, becausemy whole life I was hustling. When
I think about my life, youknow, when. As long as I can remember,
even when I was in childhood,I was always trying to just do something
else. When I was in college, Ihad. I shouldn't say college. When

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I graduated college and Ifirst started working, I had a. A
colleague, he made suggested,like, you should be entrepreneur.
You should like business. Youshould own your business. I said,
no, no, no, no. I'll just doit when I'm, you know, old and gray,
you know, and I saved a lot ofmoney. I had a pension and all that
stuff. That was before thegolden parachute got ripped off from

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a lot of people. Right nowwe've got 401k, which is what turned
the market turns into 201k.But I digress. The point, but the
blow I'm trying to try andmake is that I had a little experience.
Experiences where I thought,well, if I could be independent,
I can have my own security,right? But I realized there's no

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security in serving people.And so I had to realize that in order
to coach others, I had tocoach myself. And I realized that
the more I kept giving, themore I learned.
That. That. I think that's an.That's interesting, actually. I mean,
I think that's the. Now I'mgoing to age myself. And there's

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nothing wrong with old andgray. See, I got a little gray and
I'm a little old. I won't sayhow old, but I'm a little old. We'll
call it wise. Wise is a goodword, right? Instead of old, wise.
Mature.
Mature. There we go.

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Seasoned. Like seasoned.
So in regard to learning andyou know, kind of having the impact
where you were able to, as youwere in your journey for understanding
yourself a little bit betterand having to coach yourself a little
bit more, I think that we allhave to kind of take that opportunity

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to look within ourselves todecide. I think again, it comes to
choice. Your inspiration forbecoming a transformative business
coach turned you into anentrepreneur. And as an entrepreneur,
you were able to understandyourself a little bit better, which

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allows you to be able to helpothers in your coaching business
with them. So how do you helpindividuals grow through what you
have learned? And in fact,kind of putting a. Holding a mirror
up to themselves so that theycan see that within themselves as
well?
Well, you know, Michael, I'lljust tell you flat out, I can't turn

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a snail into a butterfly. Youeither are a. But you're like. You're
like a moth or whatever andturn into a fly. I'm messing up all.
And all the entomologists inthe room listening are like cringing
at what my analogy, the pointI'm trying to make. I'm not trying
to transfer me from onecreature to another. Right? You are.
You're not. The real issue iscan you get up out of yourself mentally,

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emotionally, in order to seehow your own issues block you from
connecting with the peoplethat you really want to connect with?
Because that's really what itis. Like, I'll give you a perfect
example. I was like, I'malways thinking about this perfect
example. I had this oneclient, she was a lawyer, right?
I want to. I want us to callher ambulance teacher. She was not

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an ambulance station personalinterest lawyer. All right?
And in Hollywood, she's anambulance chaser.
And I said, we were talkingabout how to present herself on her
ad. And she's like. I askedher, like, what did you do? She's
like, I'm just going where. Wewere talking about, like, her colors
and all this stuff and thingsthat would have complement her skin.

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And I said, so what did youend up wearing? And she's like, a
black suit. I was like, likeall other ambulance chases where
on the billboard, a black suitand it. And a grin with the veneers
popping out. Right? Like that.The white on black, the veneers and
the black suit. And I said toher, why did you do that, love? And

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she's like, well, I don't wantto stand out too much. I said, well,
that's the point, is to standout. Because everybody knows exactly
what to expect from, you know,they think better call Saul. They
think about the sleaziness.Right. Why don't you pop out and
actually show what makes youdifferent from everybody else? And

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that's the thing, Michael,that, like, trip people out is they
don't want to be different.Because I think that they're different.
They can be squashed. And sothat's why no one ever goes out and
just be them.
Yep. It's amazing becausesociety and culture, I think, have
ingrained upon us that we needto do specific things. We need to
be a specific way. If you're alawyer, you got to dress this way.

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If you're. If you're a cook,you have to dress this way. If you're
a cop or a garbageman orwhatever you happen to be, you are
supposed to act this way.You're supposed to be this way. You're
supposed to. Even in ourrelationships, you're supposed to
grow up, you're supposed tomeet the right person. You buy a
nice house with a picket fenceand have two and a half kids and

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a dog and a cat to make itbalance it out. And that we all need
to be the same. And you lookup and down the neighborhood and
you see the same house and thesame house, the same. You can't see
my hands moving. Same house,the same house, the same house. Because
we feel that that's the way weneed to do. We need to be. Because
that's what society hasdeveloped for us. Standing out is

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something that we need to setourselves apart in regard to allowing
the uniqueness of ourselves tocome through. So I appreciate that.
You do that. I appreciate thatyou were able to, to kind of get
people to present themselvesthat way. Do you believe that anybody
that is in the business world,anybody that's an entrepreneur that's

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trying to make a name forthemselves, are doing it for the
primary purpose of doing whatwe just spoke with earlier. I need
a pat on the back. I need totell me I'm doing a good job. I need
recognition for this and this.Or are they actually there as a benefit
to the society that they'retrying to serve?

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I think, Michael, that's whatwe're talking about. And we kind
of hit, hit the nail on thehammer. The hammer when this idea
that most of us are doingthings from a place of fear, anxiety,
shame, guilt and peoplepleasing. Because if we don't say
the right things, we're notgoing to get the proverbial cookie.

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We're not going to get the paton the back. And when you think about
it, we're trying to seekapproval who are also riddled with
fear and anxiety because theyfeel like they're not doing their
job as mentors by not havingthem assimilate to what they couldn't
do. So then we're perpetuatinganother layer of trauma because nobody

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is actually sitting down andsitting and being honest with themselves.
Like, you know what? MaybeJimmy, maybe Jimmy shouldn't be a
firefighter. Maybe he actuallyis a better accountant. Maybe Mary
shouldn't really be a doctor.Maybe she's an artist like I was.
Oh my gosh, Michael. I wasreading an article the other day.
It was in the Wall StreetJournal and it was talking about

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this doctor who was, who wasrenovating his house for charity
and give the proceeds. And shesaid, well, my mother always said
that I wasn't. Our people inour family, we're not. We're not
engineers, we're doctors. Andso she, in her free time, in her
50s, is renovating house afterhouse after house. And she's not

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even a doctor. Like bytraining she's a doctor. But you
could tell her eyes light upevery time she tumbled. Renovating
and fixing up and buyinghouses, that's where her passion
is. Mom has been dead 15 plusyears, but she's still trying to
carry the torch for thingsthat never was designed for her to
hold up. And that's what wesee in so many people living their

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lives, holding up legaciesthat don't even belong with them
and busting their back andthey're wondering why they're exhausted,
they're wondering why theyfeel Insecure, and they're wondering
why they don't feel fulfilled.
Yep. It's that expectation,both familial and societal expectations,
I think, that kind of defineus sometimes and put us in a lane

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that we not necessarily wantto be in. And it's kind of. It is
just sad. I mean, it's justsad because you get individuals that
really should be doingsomething else instead of what they're
doing and looking for theirpassion in life. We were talking
about before we got on here,you know, I love teaching my classes,

(22:18):
podcasting with a purpose,because I feel that everybody, everyone
seeks out a purpose. We allseek. We want purpose. We want. Why
are we here? What are we herefor? Why are we doing it? That gives
us purpose. And I thinkpurpose allows us to be happy, especially
when we combine our passionwith our purpose. When you combine.

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You can't see me. Our passionwith our purpose, it allows us to
be the true self as to who weare. So I appreciate what you do
and what you bring to theseindividuals because I think that
you unlock that opportunityfor them to connect their passion
with their purpose and definethemselves not from somebody else's
expectations, but from theirown expectations and what they see

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within themselves.
You know, Michael, I'm sorry.I apologize. There's like an idea
bubble that just popped up.May I share before.
Absolutely, absolutely.
So I want to talk about TaylorSwift. She's not my client, okay.
I don't know nothing abouther. Okay. I just want. For all the

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Swifties, you know, I wanteverybody to get giddy and excited.
I want to talk about itbecause in relation to what we're
talking about, like, purposeand driven. Right. Everyone thinks
that, for example, TaylorSwift is a musician and entertainer.
No, she's a businesswoman.She's a marketer.
Absolutely.
And let me tell you something.Like, I was reading an article that
she wrote, like, freaking 10,10, 12 years ago. Think about it,

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right? She's what now, 38, 37?Something like that?
I think so, yeah.
Yeah. She was already talkingabout how she was making sure she
was doing her distributiondeals. How should she. How she should
be compensated for her. Heralbums, how she, like. And then later,
I found out that she rerecorded masters. Yeah, her masters.

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Like, that's a businesswoman.You think she's just throwing on,
like, stiletto inch hills andsparkles and singing to y'all sad
love songs? No, that's how shegets her people involved in getting
her ideas spread out. And sowhat? A lot of people misunderstand
when they say oh, I'm findingmy purpose. They're like, okay, well,

(24:35):
I'm looking to all thesepeople, but you're not understanding
what they're really trying todo and who they really are. So when
you're trying to getinspiration, you need to be understanding
the intent behind the action.
Oh, absolutely. And on a sidenote, we saw Taylor Swift when she
was 15 or. Yeah, 15 years old.And she was at. We have a little

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city north of us where wefirst moved to, when we moved to
Arizona called Anthem. Andit's a part of Phoenix, but it's
not. It's like a, like atownship, I guess, Very small community
and they have the outletsthere. Taylor Swift showed up there
for Christmas and she was onan extremely tiny stage. This stage
was maybe 30ft wide. It was aportable stage that they put up and

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she had people that broughtlike banners and were holding the
banners around and she sangduring that. That, you know, for
the Crips special. She had anagenda that she sang with and her
parents were there or hermother at least was there and she
had other people that wereworking with her. And you could see

(25:45):
the drive in this 15 year oldand see what she was doing. Because
when she was there before shewent up on I'm a Cop. I was a cop
at the time. I was a cop. So Ihave observation skills. So I watch
people. So I'm watching herbefore she gets up on stage and we
were right next to the stage.I'm watching her and she's looking
at the people and she'sanalyzing the people and she's kind

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of checking them out and kindof, you know, seeing where she's
going to look when she gets upthere. How many people were there?
So, yes, it's a brilliantanalogy that you're using, I think,
because she, you could see itin her face. You can see that she
had an agenda. And that agendawas not only to entertain, but was
to take that entertainment,make a name for herself and start

(26:28):
building upon that. And lookwhere she's at now.
Yeah, I mean, she's gettinglike exclusive deals with like what,
the, the what movie, whatmovie theater chain for her Heiress
tour. She making exclusivebooks. Look, look, that's next level
thinking. And I think a lot ofpeople think, well, I want to be

(26:50):
entrepreneur. I'm like, itdoesn't. Everybody wants to get paid,
but few people understand howto capture the soul of a human being
and monetize that. That's aunique brand. And you either got
it, you don't.
Well, she absolutely has itbecause she's a billionaire. I mean,
she's a billionaire, but shealso spreads her wealth around because

(27:12):
she also does good things withher money. And I think that's part
of her business plan as well.She doesn't just be a billionaire.
She is also humanitarian andshe has compassion, and she's, you
know, she gives back and sheexpresses that through her brand.
So she created. It all boilsdown to she created herself a brand
that everybody resonates with,but they know it's Taylor Swift.

(27:33):
They know she's a good personas well as an entertainer. So, yeah.
Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, thankyou for interjecting that. I think
that's a good. I can only. Ican only hope that we have Swifties
watching this and listening.
I mean, like you, Michael, youmentioned something that's really
important that I think a lotof people don't understand about

(27:54):
not just being a podcaster ora business owner. It's like being
a good person.
Yeah.
Being a good person. And Ithink it is. Everyone says, oh, the
nice guy finishes last. Like,the nice guy is the one who has enough
stamina to laugh at. Thepeople who burnt themselves out trying
to snake their way to successquickly are trying to be run roughshodle

(28:14):
on everybody. I think it'sreally not understood the importance
about caring and understandingabout the people that you want to
reach. They're not posterswith credit cards. There's someone
that took their time out oftheir valuable schedule to hear what
you have this week. They couldbe watching Catch chasing lasers
on YouTube or TikTok reams,but they chose to spend their time

(28:38):
listening to you honor that.
Absolutely. I think. And weshould do that with any business
that I think we start,whatever we have to be, whatever
endeavor that we're doing, andfrom an entrepreneurial perspective,
that we are here to serveother people. We have to be a good
person about doing so andrecognize that this is. I don't call

(29:01):
my audience audience, like,specific. It's my community. This
is my community. One morething before you go. All of my listeners,
my viewers, the people Iconnect with, the people I interview,
this is all part of mycommunity. One more thing before
you go. Community. And I thinkwe as individuals, we as business,
business entrepreneurs need tounderstand that it is not just a

(29:24):
business, it's a communitythat you need to have respect for.
Yeah. I mean, like, thinkabout it, right? I could be sitting
there, like, how many. Howmany podcasts are out there?
Right?
Like, there's a zillion stuffout there, right.
4.5 million.
And they're all screaming,listen to me. Buy my stuff. Listen

(29:46):
to me. And like, through allthe shrill voices and the demands
and endless echoes, nobody'sactually saying, wow, you're the
housewife who lives in Boise,you're the beat cop that lives in
Newark, you're the singlemother that lives in Jacksonville.

(30:07):
Like, they are real people.And, like, think about how most of
us come from crazy families,crazy upbringing, and we're just
trying to find someone whojust freaking guess us.
Yeah.
Who are not afraid aboutsharing their issues.
I agree with that. And I thinkthat through, I mean, everything

(30:28):
that you've done so withinyour life, you've. You have created
an environment for people tohave a voice and for people have
opportunity. And I think thatthat's a wonderful thing because
it allows you to do the samething and express that upon others
and allow them to understandthat bringing something to the. It's.
It's not. What are you goingto. What are you going to provide?

(30:52):
Let me see. It is more alongof what can I do for you? What can
I do for you that you're goingto benefit and walk away with in
a positive way? You know, andI think that through your podcast
and through what you do foryour coaching. I've not attended
your coaching sessions, but Idid, you know, read your everything,
you know, your blogs and your,Your website and everything. And

(31:14):
I think that you present anopportunity for people to better
themselves in a positive wayand do it through a business perspective.
Thank you. I really appreciatethat. I mean, one of the things that
I've been really intent onwith my. My blog and my website.
My blog and my website is canI sit and write the things that really

(31:38):
represent me? Like, can Ireally inject myself? Like, I will
talk about my childhoodtrauma. I will talk about the sloppy,
nasty things that had happenedto me, what I've experienced. And
I'm not just doing it as atell all. I'm doing it because we
live in a world that's alwaystrying to portray themselves as sexy,
wealthy, insecure, that thereis a safe place for them to really

(32:01):
feel understood. And howdesperate do we really need that
in this world, Michael, wherewe actually can find someone who
says, I'm not just someonewho's putting themselves out there
for the sake of. Forattention, but I'm doing it from
a place of sharing experience,strength and hope. And Lord knows
we need it now more than ever.

(32:24):
That's a fact. This day andage and this turmoil and chaos that's
happening around us currently.I think, you know, there's a lot
of noise that's happening, andthat noise sometimes inhibits our
ability to move forward in avery positive way. So I think we
all have those challenges inregard to having to try to overcome
and especially in a businessperspective over the next few years.

(32:45):
What kind of challenges doyou. Do your clients face? Anything
like what you've gone throughor what I've gone through or what
we're about to go through?
Well, I mean, it's aninteresting question, Michael, because,
like, all of us, like wetalked about earlier, have gone through
issues, right?

(33:06):
Yeah.
And then depending on theemotional maturity level of the people
around them, right. We. Werise as far as how low the other
people we're dealing with orhave struggled with. We can only
grow up to that point. Right.So we're talking about your emotional
maturity. Right. Then we'retalking about the competitiveness

(33:27):
of the industry. Each industryhas its own challenges. Like, for
example, the things that. Imean, we're all human, right? But
the things that I talk withother coaches or consultants is not
the same thing as someone whocreates products. Right. A widget
maker as example. So it's theissue of, okay, can we marry your

(33:49):
emotional maturity with yoursubject matter expertise and your
acknowledgement andinteracting with the people, your
community right around you andhaving them all marry together? Because
what I often find is that whenclients come with me, they've got
their subject matter expertisedown pack. Like, they know how to
sell their widgets. Right.They know how to write a sales page

(34:11):
or, you know, but they lackmarketing themselves and they lack
connecting with theircommunity. So I just feel like I'm
like, you know, think aboutthe. The peanut butter and the PBJ
and, like, kind of making sureit all sticks together so otherwise
it won't flop off and go offto the side. But I can't teach anyone

(34:32):
who's not willing to get alittle dirty and open the jar and
stir some stuff around andslather that thing all out in order
for them to really, like, justget real and get honest.
Now, I have this wholedifferent view of making a peanut
butter and jelly sandwich, soI'm gonna walk away with that today.
You made me hungry. You mademe hungry, Denise.

(34:55):
For knowledge. For knowledge.
For knowledge. For knowledge.And a little peanut butter and jelly,
too.
But I mean, seriously,Michael, when you think about it,
right, most entrepreneurs,they spend all their time accumulating
technical knowledge, okay? Oh,like, I know I had them. These are
the margins. And I need tomake sure I hit these corners, quotas.
I need to. Whatever, whatever.But then, like, I asked them, like,

(35:17):
so how are you going to shareyour story in a way that makes people
feel like, wow and studs upand notice the saying, like, you're
different from everybody else.Think about it, Michael, like when
you go to a grocery store,right, and you flip the back of chips
or whatever, there's alwaysour story.
Yep. Every time.
Reason why it's all our story.And because I can't connect with

(35:42):
you if you can't be willing toput yourself out there and show the
passion behind the product. Weare the products and we're selling
ourselves to people who canresonate with it. Not everybody.
Right? Well. And I think thatintegrating emotional intelligence
into our lives, personally aswell as professionally, allows us

(36:10):
a better connection with theaudience or when I say audience,
the individuals that we'retrying to make a connection with.
Because we bring ourselves.You bring ourselves. Then even when
I go on other people'spodcasts, for example, and I'm trying
to sell this podcast, Istarted with my story. I tell them
my story. I think I give themmy story because it gives me an opportunity

(36:32):
to relate to other individualsout there that have experienced or
gone through the same thingthat I went through. The same journey
I went through are similar tomy journey that allows me to be able
to make a connection with themenough to engage with them. So integrating
that emotional intelligenceinto our methodology brings the game

(36:56):
forward, I think, a littlebit. And you, I mean, you have, you
do that in your coaching, incourses, don't you? You show how
somebody how to do that.
Yeah, a little bit. Yeah.
Talk a little bit. A littlebit. He said, Robert De Niro, little
seasoning here or there.
I mean, because here's thething, right? I think for a lot of

(37:19):
people, like, well, if I saythe wrong thing, I'm going to lose
them. But sweetheart, you'vealready lost yourself. That's why
we're sitting here talking,you know?
Exactly. I mean, look, I, Ihave a bachelor's degree in business
management and I, when I cameout of that. Now let me compare it
this way. When I became asergeant with a police department,

(37:42):
I had to go through a schoolfor training, for being a supervisor.
I had been a one striperbefore that, kind of a corporal.
And you get a little bit of, Alittle bit of introduction into being
a sergeant, but not the fullscope of being a sergeant. Right.
So it kind of a steppingstone. So when I became a sergeant,
I Went to school, become asergeant, and then they teach you

(38:04):
supervisory roles and how tomanage people in a team. Because
I got a team of 13 people, andyou have to manage schedules and
time and everything involvedin those team members to make that
team work effectively andefficiently. So I learned the basics
of that, and then I learnedhow to do that practically when I
became. When I went out on thestreet, okay, that was my stepping

(38:26):
stone of becoming alieutenant. I was on my way to lieutenant
before I got interrupted. Butsame principle. I had to go and learn.
I would have had to go toschool again, I would have had to
go to classes again, getcertified so I could teach as a lieutenant.
Well, when I went to businessmanagement school, and not school,
but university to get mybusiness management degree, they

(38:49):
threw all that kind of stuffout the window. And it was more numbers
and cost and reaching numbersand making sure that everything balanced
the way it was supposed to bebalanced. Not many of my instructors
brought in the emotionalintelligence of connecting with an
audience. They brought theanalytical aspects of whether or

(39:09):
not you could sell a productor whether or not you can manage
a team or whether or not howto manage your company. It wasn't
from a personal perspective.It was from more of a business analytical
perspective. Why isn't thisworking? Why should that work? And
should we implement this andthat? I didn't realize until after
I came out of that that Ineeded to go back to, especially

(39:31):
when I did this podcast wetalked about in the beginning. I
went from, Denny, sit down,empty your pockets, tell me where
you're on Monday, to having aconversation, because we're here
to connect with individuals,to engage with individuals. And I
think incorporating that intoa business modality is much better

(39:52):
in creating and growing yourcommunity than from an analytical
perspective.
You know, it's funny, when youwere talking, Michael, I was just
thinking a couple of things.First and foremost, those instructors
were probably just as stale asday old bread, right? Talking all
analytical about stuff theydon't even understand because they

(40:12):
haven't had boots on thegrounds. Because if they knew of
a straight face, they couldn'teven smear that garbage out, because
they know that how has workedon the real world. Remember? Oh,
gosh, remember Ronnie Dangerfield?
I do. Okay, Because I get norespect. No respect.
I get. I get no respect.Remember? I forgot what, what show.
He was like, what movie itwas, but he was like, somehow he

(40:34):
was in a student Back to school.
It's called Back to School. Hewent back to school and he bought.
He bought the Whole, wholearea to go back to school with this
kid. His kid was going touniversity and so he bought the whole
floor or something and built alibrary, you know, and people.
Yeah, Remember there was thisone scene, I'm, I'm, I'm going to

(40:58):
garble it where he, that theprofessor was like, okay, let's.
How do you, how do you buythis project? He was like, well,
you got, you got to pay offthe foreman. You got to do all. You
gotta shake hands too, like.And I'm like, no, no, you have to
be perfect. Look, I'm tellingyou how it's done in the real world,
buddy. Yeah, we need that. Weneed, like this is how it's done

(41:20):
in the real world. Butacademia is not real world.
Exactly, exactly. That's whyyou need an arch degree.
I mean, when you think aboutit too, like, I remember my husband
told me that he's like, notthat he's bitter. Actually, he is
super bitter about this. Hehas, he went to Columbia, got himself
a nice Ivy League degree. Hewas learning all these languages.

(41:43):
Come to find out the year thathe graduated there, they switched
up all the languages and theyhave a new language that was. Nor.
That was more marketable. Hewas like, wait a minute, I spent
four years learning a languagethat's not even marketable right
now. And when you think aboutit, like, I paid for that. Yeah,
I pay to be indoctrinated insomething that was antiquated. Think

(42:05):
about even in a military.Like, I shouldn't say military. I'm
thinking about corporateAmerica, the command and control
model that is built on theindustrial age where everyone was
working on the factory line.That is an antiquated. But we keep
repeating it all this stuffover and over and over again.

(42:27):
Well, and I think,unfortunately, I think we are indoctrinated,
you know, if we go back toCovid, not to bring up that subject,
but when you go back to Covid,you, you, all the business people,
all the corporations, all theagencies, all the companies were
all going, we got to get backto normal. We got to get back to
normal. We got to get back tonormal. And during that time period,

(42:48):
what we as a society startedunderstanding was what they called
normal really wasn't normal.It was their normal. It wasn't our
normal. My wife got to workfrom home, work from home for two
years. Work from home. Itchanged the dynamics of our family
in such a way that we got tospend lunchtime every day sitting

(43:13):
there eating lunch andenjoying lunch. She didn't Drive
to work 45 US to an hour toget to work or longer sometimes here
in the Phoenix traffic andthen spend eight and a half hours
at work, shove a 30 minutelunch down her throat and then, you
know, come back home in thesame hour traffic, crappy traffic.

(43:33):
And then by the time she gothome, she was too tired to do anything
else. And she went from thatto being able to have lunch, get
up in the morning, go out,watch the sunrise, have a cup of
tea on the back porch. We hada balance. Well, luckily she works
for the government here.Luckily they recognized that and
the productivity became outbetter with people who were working

(43:56):
hybrid or working from home.So they created a hybrid schedule
so that it works. So themajority of her department work on
a hybrid schedule. So sheworks home three days a week or excuse
me, two days a week and sheworks in the office three days a
week. But it allows that mind,or excuse me, that, that work life

(44:18):
balance. And we thought, youknow, maybe this is more normal.
Europeans have it, Europeanshave it, right? They, you have a
nice breakfast. You, when yougo to lunch, you know, in France,
if you go to lunch, your bossis not allowed to call you while
you're at lunch. You get likean hour, hour and a half to go have

(44:38):
lunch and you can't do anywork. You're not supposed to do work.
You're supposed to just go andrelax and have your lunch and then
come back to work, do yourthing. That could be much more. I
think that brings us tomindset. I think that mindset allows
us to understand that there'sa balance in life no matter how we

(45:00):
play in life, and that we needa balance between work life and a
balance between work life andhome life and a balance in whether
or not we are approaching ourbusiness life, whether we're an entrepreneur
or whether we're working for acompany that we don't want to be
working for. How to evolvefrom that? We have to have the correct
mindset in healing andgrowing. Correct.

(45:21):
You know, every time everyonetalks about mindset, right? What
is your mind set on? Everybodyhas mindset. Everybody talks about
mindset. I'm laughing at likethey have their minds on drinking
and drugging. They have theirminds on overworking, they have their
minds on procrastinating. Soeverybody's focused on something.

(45:41):
It's the issue is, is yourmind focused on things that are geared
toward emotional, physical andspiritual growth? Because if it's
not, then the next questionis, are you good with that? Like,
I'm thinking about the showslike my 600 pound life, right? And
they. You think, oh, that's soembarrassing, right? All these people,
they can't even. They can'twipe themselves out with a stick

(46:04):
on the end and a cloth theother end. Like, they can't get the
assistant helping them. Butwhen you think about it, they're
actually kind of happy becausethey're getting attention, they're
getting the audience, they'regetting their 15 minutes of fame.
And the only thing they had todo was to eat two buckets of KFC

(46:26):
a day. And so when people aretalking about, like, intentionality
and mindset, I have to reallyask you the question, what's your
payout on what you're havingnow? And what's your payout on what
you want to give up? Andthat's why so many people struggle
with their weight and so manypeople struggle with anxiety because

(46:46):
they're so addicted to thingsthat are comfortable and familiar
with them.
I agree with that. I thinkthat, you know, it's interesting.
I, you know, I'm going to. Ilove all the movie and the TV analogies.
Thank you. I appreciate thatvery much. Because that's the way.
I love that. The. The. Whichwill bring me to this analogy. You
know, I. One of my favorite. Istudied martial arts when I was young

(47:10):
and all the way through mostof my life, up until I got injured.
And one of my heroes, and yes,this is cliche, was Bruce Lee. But
the methodologies that BruceLee gave me and the mindset that
he allowed me to understandhow I could control my own mindset,
my own destiny, my own abilityto be able to take myself, for example,

(47:35):
out of a wheelchair that I wastold by five doctors I'd be in for
the rest of my life so that Icould walk my daughter down the aisle.
His thing is being able tosay, you have the power to put in
your mind and connect yourmind, your body and your soul to
what you want to achieve. Andyou have the ability to combine those
together to create and developyour own mindset and take you out

(47:58):
of the arena that you feelthat you're in or where you're locked
into and what you feel is aprison and. And then break that open
and create what you want tocreate. And that allowed me to get
out of a wheelchair. Thatallowed me to go from not walking,
having my wife carry me to thetoilet, having my wife to get me

(48:18):
dressed and comb my hair, towalking 2, 3, 4, 5 miles a day. So
I think that from myperspective, I think that we have
the ability to create themindset that we want to do, to break
free from what we maybeperceive as a prison and redefine

(48:44):
ourselves into something thatwe want to be. Would you agree?
No, I totally agree with you.And remember in the beginning of
our conversation you asked me,do you have a book? And I was like,
no, I have a book. I don'thave a book yet. But what I do have,
I do have in my, my course,amazing attitude is this 21 day program
to help you like uncrap allyour mind of nonsense is like the

(49:07):
idea of asking yourself theright question about like, so what
are you really wanting fromyour situation? Do you really want
attention in a positive ornegative way?
Right.
Do you really want to have theability to be autonomous? What does
that really look like to you?Because I think for a lot of people

(49:29):
the reason why they're stuckis they never really ask themselves
the why. I love, I love,Michael, how you talked about your
journey of like getting out ofthe wheelchair despite what medical
experts talked about andunderstanding like, wait a minute,
it's a science, right? Meaningthat they always have to test and
disprove things. It's not forcertain. Right. And so if they're

(49:49):
not completely sure becausethey're scientists and, and lab coat,
why am I betting mylivelihood, my health, my mental
like, overview of life basedon finite fickle people who can't
even guarantee what can happento me. Right. And so when you realize
that I need to stop operatingfrom a part of helplessness, a part

(50:14):
of pity, right into a part ofempowering myself, what can I do?
This incremental that gets mefrom where I am to where I want to
go. And I freaking love BruceLee and I freaking love watching
those martial arts. They'retaking their hands and they're chopping
their breaking two by fourswith their bare of knuckles. And
then they're screaming like,and like, yeah. And like there's

(50:36):
nothing like hitting them anddamaging them. And you're like, how
do they do it? How are peoplewalking on coals and they're not
getting sweet escape. It'stheir mindset. They've already envisioned
being victorious. They alreadyenvisioned crossing the finish line.
They already envisionedwinning their obstacles for you.

(50:57):
You're getting out thatwitcher. I envision walking my baby
girl down the aisle. I'm. Iwant to stick to that no matter what.
And that's what really makespeople win in life. Not the obstacles,
but how they work and overcome them.
Brilliant. Yeah, brilliantwhat you just said. I Think that
we have the opportunity tomake a choice in life in regard to

(51:20):
that. And, you know, in. In.In. I think with your courses and
your coaching, I think yougive people the opportunity to get
some clarity and. And kind ofhave a better understanding of their
personal, professional lifeand how to take those steps to move
forward and into what theyfeel they want to be. You know, we're

(51:40):
all afraid. We're all afraid.You know, when you first start something,
we as human beings are goingto be afraid. When I first started
this podcast, you know, Ithought, am I going to listen? Am
I going to watch it? Am Igoing to see it? Well, and originally,
we didn't start off as video,but, you know, when I got five people
that listened, I was kind ofgoing, wow, it's only five people.
But then I got, wow, my wifesaid, but you had five people. And

(52:02):
that five people then grew to10, and that 10 people grew to 20,
and they kept going up. Butthen my fear was, can I hold onto
this? And my fear was, can Icontinue to build this the way it
needs to be built? And I thinkthat's where I had to step out of
my own zone and understand,because we're all afraid of failure.

(52:23):
I think, you know, we're giventhat expectation. You can't fail.
You shouldn't fail. You. Youcan't reach out. And if you try to
start a business and it fails,then you're a failure. But you're
not really a failure, becausewhat you've done is learn something.
You learn what not to do thenext time you start a business. You
know, what mistakes that youmade when you did this. You know
what to change when you goforward with something. That's when
I took Bruce Lee's advice withbe water. You got to be flexible

(52:47):
and fluid. Be water. And indoing so, it allows you the ability
to be able to be flexible andunderstand that your opportunity
is still in front of you. Youjust have to be flexible enough,
observant enough to walk intothat opportunity. What advice would

(53:08):
you give to someone who'sstruggling with defined clarity?
When I think about my life,right, and I think about the things
that kept me stuck, I alwaysthink about this idea of whose message
are you really listening to?For the vast majority of us, we have

(53:31):
been listening to messagesfrom our teachers, figuratively and
literally. Our parents, likethose from academia, and they only
wanted to test us out so thatthey could feel good about themselves
and about their work. Like,let's just be real about that. I
mean, let's just be real. Andso if I'm only doing things from

(53:52):
a mindset of testing, right, Ineed to get an A. I need to have
this margin. And I'm not doingit from a place of like, is this
really representative of me?If I'm going to die today, am I going
to be good about whathappened? Right. If I'm really going
to be honest with myself, thatclarity comes from, like, where am
I getting my motivation from?Am I coming from a place of fear

(54:14):
and worry, anxiety, peoplepleasing, or am I coming from a place
of richness, honor,authenticity? If I die today, am
I good with how I lefteverything? Like, that's how you
should wake up and live yourlife. You should. Like I'm going
to quote James Dean. Like, youshould live as if I'm going to quote

(54:37):
James Dean. You should live asif you're gonna live forever. Like,
sorry, I. Pardon me. Youshould live as if you're going to
die today and then dream as ifyou're gonna live forever. Meaning
that a lot of us are alwaysfearful of things and that prevents
them from actually carryingout their dreams. And clarity comes

(54:58):
from like, I know my life isfinite. How in the world can I be
able to live my life to thefull fullest? Because they're going
to judge me regardless. That'sa given. But can you judge yourself
on how honest you were? That'sthe question.
And I love James Dean. See,we. See we. We could have a whole.

(55:22):
Another show where we can justtalk about different, you know, and
add all of those in to themix. That, that I think is a. That's
a profound, not just anobservation, but it's a profound
way to understand ourselvestoo. Not just from a business perspective,

(55:43):
but from a personalperspective. You know, we need to
look within our side,ourselves. You know, again, I said
earlier, I. I'm going to makea confession here.
Go for it.
Go. I didn't kill anybody oranything. So it's not that bad. You
know, bury the body and dropit down a mine. Or, you know, you

(56:05):
know, realistically, I thinkwe're all afraid of failure. Every
time we try to embark onsomething, we have to wonder whether
or not. And I'm justreiterating what you said earlier,
whether or not my father wouldapprove, my mother would approve,
my wife would approve, my kidswould approve, my grandparents would
approve. And I think from whatI gained from our conversation today,

(56:25):
I. I shouldn't really look atwhether or not I'm getting approval
from all of these individuals.I should look within myself and see
if I approve of myself.
Yeah, yeah. You know, it's sofunny, Michael. Like I was walking
my kid to the school bus todayand I was telling him that, you see
this house? You see this houseright there? It's. Recently they

(56:47):
have new. We have newneighbors. I said, did you know that
last year they brought a bigold dump truck before the new neighbors
came and they just filled itwith furniture and artwork and like
they cleared the whole houseout. It was like 3,000 square foot
house. They cleared out. Youcould just tell someone just died,
right? And I knew the newneighbor came in and renovated the.

(57:09):
The bathtub. Probably badjuju. That's probably the person
died. Anyway, the point I'mtrying to make is that they. They
renovated, they gutted, theygutted the whole house, Everything
thrown out. Right? Think aboutyour mind, Michael. How are we carrying
stuff that's going to bewasted and thrown in the trash, never
to be seen again? But we'reholding it precious, even though

(57:30):
the mess didn't serve them,obviously is not serving other people.
Are you willing to excavatebefore death excavates everything?
What a profound way of sayingthat. Yeah, this is brilliant. Actually,

(57:52):
I could talk to you foranother hour. Our time went by so
fast. It went by way too fast.Let's tell everybody how they can
get on a pathway to excavatingtheir stuff.
Yeah. Yeah. Michael, it's beensuch a pleasure talking with you,
such a pleasure talking withall my peeps, my newfound peeps who

(58:14):
are listening, watching,consuming this information. The best
place for people to find me ison my website, deniseglee.com just
take my name, remove thespaces, add a comm, and you're there.
Boom, there. You'll be able toobviously listen to my podcast, introvert
Entrepreneur and read myarticles, all that fun stuff and

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take one of my courses.Amazing attitude. But the point I'm
really trying to get atthrough like our conversation and
I'm hoping everyone our, ourfamily that's listening, is that
your journey doesn't startwith clicking and. And scrolling.
It's about tuning into you.Because at the end of the day, you

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put your head on that pillowat night. You're the one who makes
the decisions that navigatenot just how you impact yourself,
but other people. People. Andif you are comfortable with that,
go forth, my friend. But ifnot, time to do the work and dig
up stuff and clean house.Because this is the only one life
make it count.

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Brilliant. I usually say thisis one more thing before we go you
have any words of wisdom? ButI think you just said it.
I'm on it, Michael.
You're on it. You're readingmy mind. You're reading my mind.
Well, you got that Joe Pescivibe, so I felt, you know, talk like
wise God, that's funny.
I met Joe Pesci once, andmaybe that's where I picked it up

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from.
Yeah.
Well, Denise, thank you verymuch for. For being here. I say.
I usually say one more thingbefore you go. Do you have any words
of wisdom? But. And. And I'llask any. Because maybe you have more.
This is one more thing beforeyou go. Do you have any words of
wisdom?
You know, if I died today, Iwould be at ease because I knew that

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I came from a place of love,honesty, authenticity, and caring.
And if that is not whereyou're at, there is the time right
now. Not next week, not nextyear. Now go for it. You got this.
Brilliant words of wisdom.Denise. Thank you very much. It's

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been a pleasure to meet you.It's been a wonderful conversation.
I can't wait to have anotherone with you down the road. Maybe
next year. And thank you foryour wisdom, your experiences in
sharing your journey, and justeverything about you. Thank you.
Thank you, love. I'm so glad Iwas here. I think we had a great
conversation.
Me too. Me too. For everyoneout there in the community, I will

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