Revolutionizing Mental Health Care with Nature's Remedies

Discover how natural compounds can enhance mental health and emotional resilience in this engaging conversation with Dr. Andrew Hall, a renowned natural products scientist. Dr. Hall's personal journey, marked by the loss of his brother to depression, has driven his passion for understanding the impact of naturally occurring substances on cognitive function and overall well-being. He shares invaluable insights into the science behind these compounds, practical lifestyle changes that can boost emotional resilience, and the importance of bridging traditional knowledge with modern science. As the founder of Icaro Therapeutics, Dr. Hall is dedicated to evaluating the neurological health benefits of these compounds, including the therapeutic potential of psychoactive substances. Join us as we explore how integrating natural compounds into treatment protocols can revolutionize mental health care and lead to better outcomes for individuals facing mental health challenges.

Natural compounds hold a profound potential for enhancing mental health and emotional resilience, as explored in the enlightening conversation between Michael Hurst and Dr. Andrew Hall. Dr. Hall, a distinguished natural products scientist, utilizes over two decades of experience to delve deep into how naturally occurring substances affect cognitive function and emotional well-being. His personal journey, ignited by the tragic loss of his brother to depression, drives his commitment to uncovering better methods for mental health treatment. Throughout the discussion, Dr. Hall articulates the intricate relationship between traditional healing practices and modern science, emphasizing how integrating these elements can foster a more holistic approach to mental health care.

The episode navigates the often-overlooked connection between our lifestyle choices and mental health outcomes. Dr. Hall discusses practical lifestyle changes that can significantly bolster emotional resilience, highlighting the importance of a balanced diet, exercise, and mindful living. He underscores that mental health challenges are not solely addressed through pharmaceuticals but can be effectively managed through natural compounds that influence neurotransmitter pathways. The conversation also touches on the promising realm of psychoactive compounds, which, despite their complex history, show potential for therapeutic use under guided circumstances.

Listeners are encouraged to rethink their perspectives on mental health treatment, considering the integration of natural remedies as viable alternatives or complements to traditional medication. Dr. Hall's work with Icaro Therapeutics exemplifies this innovative approach, as the company focuses on evaluating the neurological benefits of natural substances. By the end of the episode, audiences gain insight into a future where mental health care not only acknowledges but embraces the wisdom of nature combined with scientific rigor, paving the way for more effective and personalized treatment protocols.

Takeaways:

• Natural compounds can significantly enhance cognitive function and emotional well-being, offering a holistic approach.
• Practical lifestyle changes, such as diet and exercise, are essential for boosting emotional resilience.
• Dr. Hall's personal journey shaped his mission to find better mental health solutions.
• Integrating traditional knowledge with modern science can revolutionize mental health care practices.
• The gut-brain axis plays a crucial role in influencing mental health and emotional stability.
• Psychoactive compounds show therapeutic potential when used under proper guidance and research.

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Episode Transcript

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Have you ever wondered hownatural compounds can enhance your
mental health? Or howpractical lifestyle changes can boost
your emotional resilience?Stay tuned. In this episode, we're
going to answer thesequestions and more when we have a
conversation with Dr. AndrewHall. He's a renowned natural products
scientist with over 20 yearsof experience in studying naturally

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occurring compounds and theireffects on mental health. I'm your
host, Michael Hurst. Welcometo one more thing before you go.
Dr. Hall's journey into thisfield began with a personal tragedy.

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He lost his brother todepression. This profound loss fueled
his passion for understandinghow natural substances can enhance
your cognitive functionemotional well being in the neurological
health. In this episode, Dr.Hall will share his extensive knowledge
on the science behind naturalcompounds and their impact on mental
health. Practical lifestylechanges to boost emotional resilience.

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I talk about that a lot onthis show. Bridging traditional knowledge
with modern science forholistic well being. I'm looking
forward to this. Very excited.Dr. Hall's dedication to finding
better solutions for mentalhealth in urgent neuro degenerative
issues led him founding icaroTherapeutics in 2021, focusing on

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evaluating naturally occurringcompounds with neurological health
benefits. His research, backedby FDA approval and dea, also explores
the therapeutic potential ofpsychoactive compounds. Join us as
we delve into this fascinatingworld of Natural Medicine with Dr.
Andrew hall and discover howintegrating natural compounds into

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treatment protocols canrevolutionize mental health care.
This is an episode you won'twant to miss. Welcome to the show,
sir.
Thank you for having me. Michael.
What an amazing journey thatyou've got within this arena. I think
that you contribute somethingto the world that I absolutely adhere

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to. Love and again, excitedabout this conversation.
I'm excited for you having mehere today.
I always like to kind of starta little bit at the beginning. So
can we talk a little bit aboutlike how how your personal journey
maybe led you to focus on therecurring compounds and how it deals

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with mental health?
Well, I think it reallystarted out at my younger years where
I was always wanting to bethat person exploring the Amazonian
rainforest and finding new andinnovative drugs at an early age.
But as I developed my career,I really started looking at what
areas of focus and whatresearch was involved which led me

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eventually to my PhD where Iactually studied naturally occurring
compounds and looking atvarious neurological neurodegenerative
diseases and what naturallyoccurring substances can have an
effect on these systems.That's the area of natural products
chemistry, or as we call it,pharmacognosy, which is the bridge
between natural compounds andactual Drug development. And ironically,

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what's beautiful is 68% ofdrugs originated from a natural source.
So seeing how you work withthese compounds and how they're effective
really opened my eyes to notjust drug development, but really
how our body is sointerconnected with nature and medicine
really drove my passion forAyurvedic medicine and homeopathic

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medicine in general.
Yeah, that's a. I mean,there's something we all have to
remember. Our mind, our bodyand our soul are all connected, I
think, and you know, theadvantages that we have from Mother
Nature to cure us and to helpus to heal and so forth. I love the
aspect that. And we'veresearched it before, a couple shows
way back when in the beginningof this, where a lot of our pharmaceuticals

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that we have today originatedin the Amazon forest. Correct, correct.
68%, about 70% originated froma natural source. And then the traditional
pathway purifies thesecompounds out and then puts them
through more rigid clinicaltrial designs and formulations development
to be super potent as opposedto more holistic and even keeled

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more controlled. I would liketo say too. Right. In the drug delivery
systems.
Yeah, it's interesting becauseanybody that has dealt both with
western medicine and easternmedicine, as well as working with
naturopathic approaches, wefind that traditional drugs is more,

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I won't say instantaneousrelief, but you take Excedrin, migraine
or something and you expectyour pain to go away within 15, 20
minutes or so, or maybe 30,but you know, very quickly. And a
lot of naturopathic medicinessometimes take a little bit longer.
But I believe that even thoughthey take a little bit longer, they
more have a more healingeffect on our bodies. Can you help

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us out understand that?
You know, I think westernmedicine has come with some issues
in the sense that we arepredispositioned now to have instant
gratification or I thinkmental health, cardiovascular health,
diabetes, those sort ofdiseases that we are currently plagued
with in society really dorequire work from an individual and

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implementing a lot of changeswithin a lifestyle, not just drugs,
but diet and exercise toreally combat these things to have
really true sustained healthbenefits. So I couldn't agree with
you more.
You know, this is going to bea unique conversation for me too,
because I've had a lot ofconversations here in regard to mental
health. I've had family andfriends that experience mental health.

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I don't like to call themissues from that perspective. They
have mental health challengesin regard to various aspects between
depression, anxiety, bipolar,several of those that fall even under
the umbrella of all of those,I won't list all of them off, but

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in. In watching the growth,that's probably the wrong statement.
In watching the uses of thepharmaceuticals that I don't want
to say, in which my familymembers have this issue because privacy
issues, but I will say inwatching them deal with these issues

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from more of a pharmaceuticalaspect, I have found that they two.
They combine two to threedifferent drugs and then you see
a multitude of side effectsthat come along with that, which
are more detrimental at timesthan the original thing in the first
place. And I think that fromthat perspective, what are some of

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the most promising naturalcompound researches that you've shown
that helps mental healthbenefit from natural compounds?
I think this is kind of acomplex question because I think
it's all tailor fitted toindividuals. And secondly, I do want
to say I'm sorry to hear that,but 23.8% of our population actually
suffers from mental healthissues or mental health challenges.

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But I think it's a multitudeof situations. I think as people
look at social media, peoplelook at lifestyle medicine, the food
we eat, this has reallycombated these issues. Our brain
is so complex. These neuronalcircuits are so just at its infancy
of actually understanding howthese neurons communicate. Your gut

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brain axis, how your gut istied to your mental health, is really
at its infancy, which hascaused a lot of the issues that we
have at hand. And my personalfeeling, I would like to say, I always
consult with a physician, isthat a lot of these drugs have just
targeted one specific receptorin the brain. So you hear ssri, which
are serotonin reuptakeinhibitors, so just really affecting

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the serotonin pathway. Youhave dopamine pathways, you have
endocannabinoid pathways, youhave NMDA pathways, you have GABA
pathways, which all arerelated to how your brain and your
neuronal circuits work. Sojust targeting one pathway and not
realizing that all thesedifferent, all these different neurological

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pathways are interconnectedreally becomes a complex issue where
the side effects are reallyshown. And it is medical practice
in the sense of providing thismedication to see what will work
and then having to move alongthe different routes of what's FDA
approved, because those arethe tools within the toolbox that

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are currently within, youknow, a physician's. A physician's
toolbox, right, to be able toprescribe these medicines. What has
been interesting and somethingthat I've been involved with, which
really originated down in the,you know, indigenous culture, is
use of psychedelics, which is,for me, as a chemist, you originally

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think hey, these are drugsthat work on a specific receptor,
right? However, this is moreof a holistic path where it is challenging
someone's perspective, tochallenge themselves to make the
changes in their lifestyle, toreally improve their nutrition, improve

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their social connections, tobe able to connect with people, think
about things differently. Soit's not just one medication. It's
really a multitude of workthat an individual needs to do to
impact their lives. For me, Iactually have developed some unique,
complex mixtures ofbotanicals, which regulates serotonin,

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which regulates dopamine,which regulates GABA receptors in
a selective way and ratio tonot cure, not try to treat these
diseases, but be able toelevate the mood of individuals to
actually be able to take on,take, make the changes to their lives
to help improve it. So I don'tthink there's any one medication

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that can really improve mentalhealth. I don't think the supplements
that I've developed are a curefor these things. But I think it's
one additional tool within atoolbox that can help individuals
take control of their lives,think about things a little bit differently,
realize that social media, allthese tiktoks are not real. So people

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can make these changes andthink about things differently to
be happier and healthier. AndI think a lot of these side effects
from not just these SSRIs andthose, but you look at the neurotoxic
effects of things like ADHDmedications. So your Adderall, your
Vybans, there are otheralternatives to help with these things.

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And there's a lot of theseplants and herbs that have been used
for centuries withintraditional Chinese and Ayurvedic
medicine that have seen effectwithin a traditional sense. So it's
like, yeah, I find it.
Really interesting, you know,the, the. In watching friends of

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mine as well. And I've alsospoken with some people on this show
in regard to the use ofpsychedelics and, and some indigenous
mixtures and helping them dealwith their ptsd. And, you know, they
used a keyword which everybodyliked, and it was to manage. It helped
them to manage their PTSDbecause, you know, a lot of. And

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some of the other mentalhealth issues that derived from that
as well. It's. They tried toget that approved here in Arizona
a couple of different times tobe used in the PTSD studies and so
forth, and it kept gettingshot down, which I felt was unfortunate
in that regard because theywere showing promising, promising

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positive effects in regard tohelping individuals suffering from
this to be able to managetheir PTSD as well. As the underlying
issues.
What's interesting is it'sactually this past summer that Maps,
or what is now LycosPharmaceuticals, got shot down for
PTSD. They had about an 80%remission rate of managing symptoms,

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managing symptoms of PTSD. Butwhat's interesting in our current
western medicine landscape isthe FDA regulates drugs. This is
really not just a drug, butit's drugs combined with therapy.
So it's allowing people toopen up their mind to really think
about things differently, tomanage these symptoms of ptsd, to

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look at those traumatic eventsfrom a different perspective. So.
And the FDA doesn't regulatetherapists. So that was the main
issue associated with why theyshut it down. And Lycos did run out
of money. But what'sinteresting is the va, the veterans
association, due to theeffectiveness of it, is actually
stepping up to fund thesesecond, second rounds of Phase 3

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clinical trials to, to helpmanage it. Because it's an issue
for a lot of people andfrankly, life's tough if we don't
have these tools in thetoolbox. You know, life's going to
take you out if you don't havethe right mental fortitude, the right
situation, the right habits toreally manage your life and lifestyle.
And secondly, what I do thinkis interesting is working with the

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natives and the indigenousculture down in Peru and the second
oldest Ayurvedic and Ayahuascamedicine retreat, it's very much
more hands on where westernculture is, have people work with
their feelings. They can't besuggestive in their medication or
suggestive in their talks withthe individuals where people having

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these tough situations,they're a little bit more hands on
putting people through toughintrospective moments because that's
what it takes. And not sayingyou need to be tough or be a man,
I think that's the worstthings anybody can say. But working
through these issues or beingable to talk about it in the right
way to change your mindset isthe most critical thing to improve

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mental health.
I agree with that. You know,and I, I've seen it in friends of
mine, I've seen colleagues ofmine because they, you know, as a
cop or a soldier or anybodywithin the paramedic field and the
firefighters and so forth,you're not, you keep your conditioned
to, you can't cry, you can'trun the other way, you can't, you

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have to be strong, you can'tshow weakness, you can't, you know,
all these different aspects,but once it compounds upon each other
and it continues to compoundover time and anytime you're involved
in any kind of a traumaticsituation with regard to your personal
well being, you know, it wasunfortunate because you would watch

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those individuals go down apath that was very dark and, you
know, and we lost them to the.To suicide, to the alternative, you
know, route to being healed.Because of society and culture. I
won't say indoctrinating, butin society and culture, kind of conditioning
people in certain aspects oftheir lifetime. And not just people

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from the public servicesector, but, but individuals. Wives,
daughters, sons, brothers, youknow, mothers, fathers, grandparents,
you know, depending upon whichera you came from. I believe that,
you know, society and culturehas put a stigma on mental health.
And I've watched itpersonally, I've watched it. My mother
suffered from mental healthissues, my father suffered mental

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health issues. But at thattime period, that's something that
just wasn't talked about kindof a thing. Do you see or do you
feel that approachingtreatment and management of these
through natural compounds,helping people to enhance their cognitive
function and emotional wellbeing has a better opportunity to

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kind of implement in societyand culture? That's a long question,
buddy. I'm sorry, I agree.
No, I mean, I really do. So, Imean, first of all, know, it's very
sad to see. And I thinkculture really in the past has been
less susceptible for peopletalking about these emotions. And
I even had an uncle that wasin the Vietnam War, clearly had signs

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now that I've gotten older,ptsd, but there were things he didn't
remember until he was in his60s. And it's crazy what your mind
can do and, you know, how youhave these biological and physical
responses to these things. SoI think it's good that we work through
these situations. People aremore open about it. Be mindful of
situational depression, whichis just emotions, which I think I.

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Everyone has a bad day versustrue depression or PTSD from these
truly traumatic events.Interestingly, there is a lot of
research about emotional wellbeing. So one of my products, I don't
want to say it that way,targets not just sleep, but rebalancing
neurotransmitters, but it alsocreates a heightened state of dream

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awareness. More vivid dreams,which a lot of research, along with
dream journaling, indicatesbetter emotional well being. So when
you think about evenpsychedelics and how they're effective,
your dreams are very vivid. Sohaving the right, you know, having
the right natural compoundsand the right ability to actually

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change the way theseneurotransmitters work and how you
process emotions, how youprocess different Information, I
think is key because it's evenpeople and young individuals that
are on TikTok, I mean TikTok,Instagram. These are all things that
it's a lot of information, alot of dopamine, a lot of thinking

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you didn't make it wherecauses a lot of mental health issues.
And if you look at youngindividuals, depression and these
symptoms are only increasing.And I think it's because of these
fake situations, these, thesefeelings, these, the world around
us, you know, the news that'ssaying the world's going to end every

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single day, you know, that isreally causing these issues. And
I don't believe that anybody,one pill is going to solve it all.
I don't believe that theseproducts are right for everybody.
I believe they are targetedfor a specific effect, you know,
with your neurotransmitters inmind. But there's a lot of things

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people need to do. Exercise isthe best way to, well, cardiovascular
exercise, I'd like to say inparticular is the best way to do
regrow brain cells and yourneuroplasticity of rewiring the brain.
There's also people under PTSDand depression. Your brain somewhat
atrophies, so the neuralnetworks aren't really working as

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smoothly. So being able torewire the brain, create a situation
of mindfulness, I think isreally key to help with all these
situations. It's not justayurvedic herbs or medicinal plants,
you know, it's the food weeat, it's the blueberries we eat,

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the quality of the food we eatand you know, society's grown to
be processed foods, you know,a lot of caffeine. I've been subject
to that throughout school myentire life and working and building
various companies. So it'sbeen a challenge and I think when
people look of, you know,traditional medicine, so working

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down in Peru, there's a lotmore about being grounded, a lot
more about being mindful,slowing down a little bit and you
know, having the right sort ofdiet, the right sort of exercise,
the right sort of mentalfortitude that you're building to
combat all these differentstimuluses that are occurring all
the time.
I agree with you. I think thatit, it's, it's a lot of, dare I say,

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it's a lot of noise. There's alot of noise coming from every different
direction no matter what you.And the fact, look, I love my phone,
I can't say I don't is with meall the time. But it also detriment
to a certain point becauseit's like you, you have instantaneous
news, you have instantaneousconversations, you have instantaneous,
this is what's going on. And Ithink that being, you know, it becomes

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addictive to a certainperspective to keep going, oh, what's
going on? What's going on? DidI miss something? This kind of thing.
So I agree with you. Sometimeswe need to take a break.
Dopamine fatigue. Every timeyou have something your dopamine
elevated. So how do you reallyget back to a more homeopathic, more
normalized state is really thechallenge, right?
Exactly. You know, it isreally, it, it's interesting because.

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And then not to reiterate thewhat happened during COVID but I
think there were some positivethings that came out of the whole
COVID pandemic is the factthat we had to reevaluate what's
normal. Quote, I can't doquotes, but because of my hands,
but normal. And we werefinding out that what we were subject
to through society and culturewas the norm was to get up at 4 in

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the morning, get ready forwork, drive an hour, hour and a half
into work through horrendoustraffic, and then get in there, sit
in a cubicle for a littlewhile, don't converse with anybody
else, just do your job andthen, you know, have a 30 minute
lunch you shove down yourthroat and then get back to work
and then come home anotherhour, hour and a half in horrendous
traffic and then maybe watch alittle tv, watch a little something,

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go to bed, do it all overagain. And we were able to take a
pause with that and peopleworking from home, making it more
remote, getting a more worklife balance. I think it improved
the quality of life to a greatdeal. It did for our own, for our
own well being. My wife got towork from home for two years and

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then she works for thegovernment. But they decided that
hybrid work was more productoriented, they got more productivity,
allowing people to have abetter work life balance. So you
did a combination of a coupledays at home and three days in the
office. And it really enhancedthe mental well being of everyone

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that's working there at thepresent time. And it enhanced the
productivity of it. But italso allowed us to sit on the back
porch in the morning and watchthe sun come up in 30 second commute.
And it's devastating. EveryWednesday when she's got to go to
work and she gets up at 3:30in the morning, our bodies go, I

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don't want this anymore kindof a thing. So those kind of Practical
lifestyle changes. I think wecan implement those practical lifestyle
changes. Correct. It doesn'thave to be a pandemic to put us into
that mode.
No. And I think it reallyopened up people's minds to be what's
productive. Right. You know,what, what are you producing? But

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it's your connections, it'snot just your connections at work
where I think for a lot ofpeople you can't be as open, but
you're actually able to beconnected with your loved ones. There's
nothing better than cominghome and getting a hug from my wife
and my dog. Of course I lovethem both.
Gotta, gotta have the dog.
Better than a dog's love,right? They, they love you for no

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matter, no matter what you do.But I agree. And it's the distractions
at work or the, you know, Isee a lot of friends. I like to work.
I mean, I love what I do. I'mpassionate about studying all various
forms of plants and how theywork on the body. But you know, a
lot of individuals have topretend to be working and that's

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not either having to thinkabout someone working over your shoulder
because it's really should beabout what you're producing, how,
how effective you are at yourjob. That should be the key to success.
Right. If you're happier,you're going to work harder. You
just see that mental drain inpeople that are either situationally
depressed, you know, lost aloved one. People can't get work

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done in those situations, youknow, so being, allowing people to
have the right clear head andclear mind to take care of what needs
to get done, I think is.
Key, very key to that.Speaking of that, I know that you
know, you lost your brother,did you embark? This is, let me see
if I can phrase this questioncorrectly. So did you, when you would

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you want to be when you growup, did you want to be what you are
now or did that come about inthe journey? When you lost your brother,
you changed.
Directly in the journey. SoI've had family that have suffered
from dementia, dementia,Alzheimer's. So I did want to study
natural products, chemistry,how you make drugs out of natural
sources. I thought it would becool to travel the Amazon and find

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the new drug. But eventually Ireally did find neurological central
nervous system relatedcompounds of particular interest
to me now when I did lose mybrother, just seeing him struggle
with depression, seeing himstruggle with eventually some substance
abuse issues, I thought thatthere was better ways to change it.

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You know, there's always upsand downs. I saw the pharmaceuticals,
drugs, exacerbate issues likewe talked about earlier. But that
really put me on a mission tofind better alternatives, to try
to find alternatives toalleviate and help people. And I
realized through this journeythat it's. It's not just taking a
substance. It's not. It's notjust taking a supplement. It's not

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just taking a drug. It'sreally empowering people and educating
people for the differenttechniques that they can use to help
them with their lives.Meditation isn't for everyone. You
know, yoga is not foreveryone. Running. Running is not
for everyone. Walking,hopefully, is for everyone, at least

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to some degree. What were yougonna say?
I said, let's hope about the walking.
Portion of it, you know, soit's. I mean, really, it's about
finding in my journey, likelooking at traditional drugs and
pharma to realizing it'severything that is really involved
in this situation. There'ssome unique herbs that people use

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from traditional medicine.What I think is the problem with
a lot of what gives the badconnotation of dietary supplements
and holistic medicine is thereis a lot of snake oil out there.
There's poor ingredients.There's not looking at the fact that
there is standardizedchemistry from these plants that
have effects. So the rightformulations, the right sourcing

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of ingredients really dictatessuccess in these situations. So it's
been a journey. I've beeninterested in it, and working with
physicians,neuropharmacologists, lawyers, attorneys,
doctors have really opened myeyes to, you know, really integrative
medicine and then realizingthere's a lot of tools in the toolbox.

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And traditional drugdevelopment, I think, falls short.
And it's just because if youlook at psychologists, right? In
the United States, theaverage. The average time someone
spends a week with theirpsychologist, if they are going to
a psychologist, is 29 minutes.That can't be effective. Your average
time is 15 minutes with aphysician. That can't be effective.

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You can't dump all yourinformation on a doctor. So they
can really get a holisticview. So it's really opened my eyes
towards how do you educate?How do you empower people to take
control of their lives?
I agree with that. Managing itfrom a perspective that works for
us individually as well as in.In society. You mentioned something

(28:27):
a couple seconds ago thattriggered a question I do have. Can
you help us understand thescience behind how natural compounds
can be integrated into themental health protocols? I mean,
as I said, my family and myfriends that are on medication, they're
told to just take thisMedication, this works. And then
when something stops working,which you explained earlier, when

(28:50):
that doesn't work anymore, orif they need additional, then they
add another medication, thenanother medication. I have one daughter
that's on four differentmedications at the moment and she
said it was okay to say it. Itexted her and asked her. She's on
four different medications andeach one of them have their own side

(29:11):
effects on top of everything.So I think it would really help us
to understand how the sciencebehind the natural compound integrating
into mental health kind ofhelps us.
So if you look at US cultureversus say Germany or Holland, right.
You know, if people have mildto moderate depression, they don't

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go straight for these drugs.They actually prescribe standardized
extracts of St. John's wort.So that's probably the oldest supplement
that most people look at. Butbeing able to prescribe some of these
compounds and how they work,you know, is, is interesting. What

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they do in Europe is theyactually dictate the amount of seeds,
stems and leaves that can bewithin there the right dosing so
that they have the rightprotocols. But the compounds within
St. John's wort actually workin a similar manner. So there is
multiple compounds that havean effect because you talk about
structural classes of thesecompounds, but they act in a way

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of being a serotonin reuptakeinhibitor. So helping to increase
these serotonin levels with amuch more subtle, subtle effect without
some of, I don't want to saydangerous side effects, but exacerbated
side effects. Because we can'tsay that they don't necessarily have
some of these side effects.You know, if we look at things like

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chamomile, which havesomething called apogenic, you know,
they work on your GABAreceptors. So these compounds have
clinical studies, they havethe research shown that they actually
work on a specific pathwaycalled GABA receptors. You know,
there's other things likevalerian root, similarly, they work
on, you know, your GABAreceptors to be able to increase

(30:59):
some of these neurotransmitterlevels. You also see, you know, lion's
mane a lot of this researchwith some of the compounds and what
they do with some of thesestandardized compounds that are present
within there, they helpincrease bdnf, which is really the,
the brain derived neurotropicprotein, which actually helps regrow

(31:24):
the brain cells and helps, Idon't want to say regrows the brain
cells, but helps rewire thebrain to create new connections within
the pathways. So we look at alot of these plant medicine and I
can Go through a list and ifyou actually go to my website, www.doctorhalls
I put up all the clinical databetween all of the ingredients, everything

(31:45):
related to mental healthrelated plants that is currently
out there. Not that it'stotally comprehensive, but these
are a lot of the compoundsthat are within there. But there
are a lot of differentmechanisms. And even when I talk
about serotonin, there'smultiple serotonin pathways, dopamine,
there's D1, D2 pathways. Somultiple dopamine pathways. We even

(32:06):
look at cannabis for instance,which I'm a hit or miss. I think
it's can be medicinal, I thinkit's overused to some degree, you
know, but these things work onthings like your endocannabinoid
system which helps regulateyour body. Even if you look at your

(32:26):
probiotic system, the gutbrain axis, so 70% of your serotonin
that's produced is actuallyproduced within your gut. So having
the right microflora withinyour gut can dictate these mental
health issues, which is alwaysdictated by your diet. Not just probiotics,
but there is pretty much too,too much information between lifestyle

(32:48):
medicine and these ayurvedicherbs that really have an effect
on your mental health. But Ithink the key is having the right
amount, quality ingredients.And if you are taking these compounds
for mental health, consult aphysician. But look for quality products
that have the rightstandardized dosing of, you know,
these particular compounds.And you really, no matter what you

(33:10):
put in your body, you alwaysshould do the research yourself.
You shouldn't just trust me,you should talk to your physician,
talk to other members of thecommunity, don't use Google or ChatGPT,
but look at reputable NIHarticles, look at reputable nature
articles to be able to come tothese conclusions yourself.
So I agree with that. Makesure that you give, it's your body,

(33:32):
so you need in you, you needto, to do the research on your own.
You've done a lot of research.How do you, how do you bridge like
the traditional knowledge withmodern science? I mean you kind of
spoken a little bit about it,but the more and more that I'm talking
with you, I can see thatyou've taken like years of research,

(33:52):
modern research as well astraditional knowledge, the indigenous,
the Amazon forest. What anamazing opportunity to be able to
do all that. How did youintegrate all of that to come to
what you have created now?Because you've created some products
in regard to helping peoplewith their mental health from three
different perspectives,perspective at present and there's

(34:15):
more on there. Your website'samazing, by the way. How did you
bridge that traditionalknowledge with modern science in
order to come up with yournatural compound solutions?
It's talking to a team ofexperts. I don't think anybody can
actually know everything. Butlooking at my pathway of just going

(34:38):
through university doingprogram management for drugs, so
looking at how traditionaldrugs are brought into human clinical
trials, tying that to moretraditional, you know, plant medicine,
you know, was really how I gotthere. You know, working with neuropharmacologists
at the Imperial College ofLondon, who happens to be the center

(35:00):
for psychedelic research, weare just beginning to understand
these mechanisms of whatdepression is, how we are addressing
these situations. But what youpeople don't really understand is
up until recently, the onlyanimal model, and I mean, you know,
how you take one compound as asingle compound and measure against

(35:22):
depression was depression ratlever test. So they had these depressed
rats which you feed them withwhatever compound you want to put
through a clinical trial. Andthe statistical difference of a rat
being depressed or not was howoften they would press a lever to
feed themselves. Which is, asI'm starting to understand, and I

(35:44):
think we are as a society,understanding depression and mental
health issues are way morecomplex than that. So being able
to not just look at, you know,our traditional models, but looking
at the, I would say the issuesand the fallacies associated with
some of these allowed me tocommunicate with indigenous individuals,

(36:05):
communicate with theindividuals that have bridged the
gap for me, you know, down inPeru, which now communicate with
these, you know, shaman, youknow, working with gentlemen and
fellow PhD graduates in China,you know, allowed me to really understand,

(36:26):
you know, there's mixedbotanical extracts, which is not
your traditional drug route.The FDA does have a botanical based
drug pathway guideline whichonly three drugs up until now I believe
have been approved. You know,it's allowed me to look at everything
from a more holistic view tobe able to come up, and I don't want

(36:46):
to say play around, it isplaying around a little bit of making
different formulations,different iterations, putting different
bioenhancers to make surethese compounds aren't broken down
in your gut prior to beingabsorbed to allow for more effective
alternatives to, you know,these treatments. Because I think

(37:08):
what people don't realize isdrugs prior to going into humans,
you know, really just gothrough a safety profile and some
animal models to make surethat they're well characterized ingredients,
they go through the righttoxicity studies to make sure that
they're not toxic toindividuals. And then B, they have
the right effect within theseapproved models for these different

(37:33):
disease states. And thedifference between phase A, phase
A, B, I mean, phase A, B andC, or 1, 2, 3, rather clinical trials
is really, do people toleratethese drugs without toxic side effects?
So that'd be a phase oneclinical trial trial. Phase two,
you know, evaluates theefficacy a little more with a bigger

(37:56):
population group with a littlebit of toxicity as well. And then
phase three is really abroader group of population where
you're really looking at thatefficacy and the FDA is really looking
for, is there a statisticaldifference for is it as good, if
not a little bit better, youknow, versus looking at these complex

(38:19):
issues? And for me, whatreally resonated working with, you
know, physicians and people inthe field, mental health or, you
know, even focus, I would sayit's not. It's not just a one, one
trick pony show. It's. It'sincorporating different. A lot of
different characteristics, alot of different changes to your

(38:42):
neurochemistry as well as yourlifestyle that really has an effect
or has the greatest effect onhow these drugs would be. And we
can't forget about placeboeffect, where a lot of drugs work
just because of people'sperceived, perceived perception of
these drugs. So, you know,that goes to show you that, you know,

(39:05):
your mind has a lot moreeffect on your body than you would
even think.
Yeah, I wholeheartedly agreewith that. I think that I had to
learn that myself, actually. Iwas on several drug studies conducted
through a pharmaceuticalcompany in regard to my rheumatoid
arthritis, actually. So theprocess is that. I understand that

(39:28):
process from within, out. Andthere were some drugs that they.
I tried that they. They triedthem with me, and then I had such
a severe reaction that theyhad to use another drug to take that
drug out of my system. Andthat kind of a thing. It's a very,
very complex process. For allof that. I like the fact that I have

(39:52):
a master's degree ininterdisciplinary studies, where
I was able to take severalapproaches to utilizing the creative
arts, for example, in healing.And I appreciate the interdisciplinary
or the multidisciplinaryapproach to solutions. And I think
that, at least from what I'mhearing, that's kind of what you

(40:13):
did in this regard. Taking,you know, with the Amazon and Peru
and with. With the physiciansand the psychologists and everybody
that you've. You. You haveresearch brought together and work
with, it gave you, I think, amore diverse explanation or integration
of what you brought to yourcompany. You know, ICARO Therapeutics

(40:33):
for developing the productsthat you've developed. Do you think
the Amazon or Amazonianfarmers had a major impact on, on
part of this process for you?
It changed a lot of myperspective on how they utilize these
plants. I think it's thiswhole mystical, you know, theory.

(40:55):
I think it's more hands on andthey call them master plants. So
what, what really blew my mindis going through, I would say one
of the toxic, most toxic orpoisonous, you know, environments
out there. But they live inharmony with the plants, they struggle
through it. But it reallytaught me that it's not just these
plants. It's about practices,it's about, you know, pulling together

(41:18):
all these multitude of plantsto lifestyle, to preparation, mentally.
That really dictates thehealthiness and the way they survive.
And what really did blow mymind is how young everyone looks
in this toxic environment. Andby toxic, I mean you're with poisonous

(41:38):
steaks, you have jaguars,you're waking up with tarantulas
near you, but you're living inharmony, which really did, really
did, you know, blow my mind.And seeing, seeing the psychedelic
movement, which I'd like tosay it's a cautionary tale, you know,
it's not, it's not a cure alland be all where you see a lot of

(42:01):
individuals in the UnitedStates now. Oh, it cures ptsd, it's,
it's curing depression. No,it's, it's one tool in the toolbox
where these things are to openpeople's minds, to make the changes,
to eat healthier, to, youknow, work a little harder for their
life, to change these things.And even when you look at, you know,

(42:23):
your first, you know, breastcancer medication, you know, Taxol,
it came from a yew tree.These, it's. How do you integrate
these things into societyproperly and safely, you know, is
really key because I thinkpeople think of plants as, oh, they're
just healthy, but they can betoxic. So it's about having these

(42:46):
plants in the right dosing andthe right, you know, delivery method
is key. You know, so it's beenopening my mind towards how they
use it. But how do you get,you know, traditional Western culture
to adopt some of these thingsand provide this to people in the

(43:06):
right way that they can trustit. I think, you know, plants have
been shunned. But I do believewe're in a movement where people
want more holistic medicationand specifically mental health. I'm
glad we've made a lot ofmovement to destigmatizing mental
health. But People don't wantto be labeled on these medications.

(43:26):
People are more open to it,but it's nothing to be ashamed of
because sometimes everybodygoes through a rough patch in life.
So how do you give people thatumph. To really bring them to the
next level, to really empowerthemselves and give them the tools
to overcome these challenges?So I might have talked a little too
much there, but.

(43:49):
Yeah, it makes a lot. I mean,it makes a lot of sense. I think
that it's been a journeybecause when you watch a. You know,
again, as I told you, when Igrew up, my parents both had mental
health challenges, but Ididn't realize and recognize them
until way later in my ownlife. I did not recognize them until
now. Once I got into lawenforcement, I started dealing with
individuals that had bipolar,for example, or schizophrenia and,

(44:11):
you know, several other mentalhealth challenges that in depression
because I had to talk peopleout of suicide and so forth, because
they reached a point in theirlife where they just didn't, you
know, didn't want to live. Andyou had to try to overcome that with
conversation to get them intohelp. I was able to kind of slowly
and eventually understand thechallenges that my parents went through

(44:34):
because again, it's notsomething that you spoke about. They
made a joke about, go takeyour Valium, go take your Valium,
go take your Valium or she'son Valium or that kind of a thing.
So I agree with you. I thinkthat it needs to be talked about
a little bit more. Iappreciate the fact, because I have
family members and friendsthat are on medications at the moment

(44:59):
that we have approaches thatwe can go to in more of a holistic
approach for this managementof any kind of mental health issues
that we've got. And so, no,you didn't talk too long. I probably
talked too long. No, it's oneof those things where you kind of

(45:19):
go, wait a minute. I got somuch more to say. The, you know,
the. I know that you spokeabout getting FDA approved, and I
know you had DEA back in forsome of your research on the natural
compounds. Was it. Was itchallenging or difficult from a naturopathic
perspective? Is it different?Do they. Is it harder for you to
get a natural product approvedby the FDA than. Than, let's say,

(45:43):
a more normal drug?
No, I think that's the commonmisconception. I think the key to
get a natural product approvedis having the right standardized
extract. You got to look athow these things are manufactured.
How do you qualify theseextract? Is it a compound that's
perfect that you'rerepresenting as the biologically

(46:03):
active compound. Is it abiological activity? Meaning are
you measuring these extractsfrom say a cell based assay or an
animal assay to show theeffectiveness. So it's all about
standardizing your inputs,which is what regular pharmaceuticals
do. The challenge I would saywould be your supply chain because
how do you actually cultivatesome of these things? But if we look

(46:25):
at some of the opiate crisis,you know, thebain, which is the main
ingredient, what makesoxycontin through a semi synthetic
pathway after it's coming fromthebane is just the rationale behind
what you use. So in the caseof Taxol, which originated from a
plant originally, they woundup going through a semi synthetic

(46:49):
route. So they, because theycan't harvest it in enough quantities
from the yew tree itself, theyactually wind up growing the plant,
extracting out some of the rawmaterial and then kind of processing
it further. So, you know, Ithink the challenge is having the
right team in place, havingthe right knowledge of how these

(47:10):
things work and then writingthe paperwork. So the DEA license
was writing the rightprotocols for what I wanted to study.
I was getting approval forpsychedelics as well and then looking
what's within the guidelines.How you go about it is really key.
So it's about having the rightteam, having. I'd like to thank,

(47:31):
you know, the FDA attorneys,some of the patent attorneys that
I had guiding me along thisprocess where, you know, it's a lot
of writing, but it's a lot of,you know, due diligence of doing
the right thing. And mycommunications with the DEA have
only been lovely. And Ihonestly want to say it's been lovely.
They've been verycommunicative. The fda, same thing.

(47:56):
They, they want to study thesethings, they want to move these things
forward, but they want it donein the right pathway. So there are
different meetings you can putup. I've never had an issue setting
up these meetings. Your firstmeeting's free with the fda. The
DEA was more responsive than Iwould have even thought of. And you're
talking about controlledsubstances to make sure you had everything

(48:17):
in place. So I think there's abig misconception that it's big pharma,
you know, the DEA is out toget you. No, they just want to. It's
the Drug EnforcementAdministration, which is diversion.
So they want to preventharmful substances from entering
society. So it's. I've onlyhad good interactions, to be honest.

(48:38):
So I, I wouldn't say it's aChallenge. It's just about trying
to do the right thing andcommunicating to the right people
so that you do the right.
Thing, which is a positivething. You know, my interactions
with the DEA was on acompletely different scope, which
I also enjoyed. So it. It'sall good.

(48:58):
Yeah. I mean, that's thething, right? Your interactions where
people. People manufacturingand distributing these controlled
substances in an uncontrolledway that could be. Potentially do
harm is what I'm.
Exactly. Yeah. It was a. Itwas a little different scenario.
Just. Just a little.
Yeah.
How do you see the future ofnatural medicine evolving in the

(49:18):
context of mental health andneural neurodegenerative? I really
want to touch on that.
Neurodegenerative disease.
Yeah. Because my. My wife'sfather, he died of Lewy Body Dementia,
and we. We took care of himthe last 18 months of his life. And.
And that would be considered aneuro. Yeah, yeah. Tongue tied. Yeah,

(49:42):
I'm educated.Neurodegenerative disease, wouldn't
it?
Yeah. You have things likeParkinson's, right? Parkinson's disease,
which is, you know, decreasedtransmission of dopamine levels.
So there's. There's otherthings at play. You talk about Alzheimer's,

(50:02):
where there's this wholeamyloid plaque pathway, which it's
all related to oxidativestress, you know, and neurodegenerate
neurodegeneration. So I dobelieve that there are lifestyle
changes, and I would like tosay always consult with your physician
again. But, you know, thesenatural compounds have been shown,
including lifestyle changes,diet changes, to really slow the

(50:24):
progression of theseneurodegenerative diseases. There's
a recent study out of Harvardsaying that they were able to, you
know, undo the symptoms ofdementia. So I do believe it's a
homeopathic. The homeopathicalternative will only exacerbate
whatever cutting edgepharmaceuticals that are coming out

(50:46):
there, not exacerbate, butincrease the efficacy of these pharmaceutical
drugs as long as they'restudied and the physician says there's
no drug interactions. I'd liketo, you know, say that, but, you
know, I do think the waysociety has gone, we talk about lifespan
versus longevity. Right? Sohow long we live versus quality of
life. We are pushing thelimits. I mean, we used to die in

(51:10):
the medieval ages by the ageof 30. Right. You know, we're now,
we're pushing 90 to 100 yearsold. So I think, you know, being
able to add a healthierlifestyle helps solve some of these
food store issues, meaningeliminating some of the processed
food, some of Thesephytoestrogens, you know, these hormonal

(51:30):
imbalances that occur withsome of these preservatives, as well
as enriching the foods to havesome of these antioxidants, you know,
will really be helpful. And ifyou look at 90% of diseases, including
cancer, they're all oxidative,stress and inflammation related.
So it's all about inflammationand then downstream deregulation

(51:53):
of, you know, our body'shomeostasis. So having the right
foods, having the rightmedications, and having homeopathic
alternatives to get thingsrealigned once they're getting out
of whack, I think is going tobe key. But I don't think it's just,
it's the only solution. Ibelieve pharmaceuticals are needed,
I believe western medicine isneeded. So it's, it's about finding

(52:14):
a balance, communicating withthe physicians, finding additional
physicians if you don't likethe one you got. Not stopping there,
not trying to doctor shop.
But no, no, I agree with that.If you don't find the right doctor
that you can work with thatlistens to you, that actually takes
the time to listen to you ortake the time to figure something
out with you, then you shouldfind the doctor that will.

(52:38):
Absolutely. That's. I thankyou for saying that because I didn't
want to make it say doctorshop or find a pill. Right. It's
about really taking control ofyour life and, you know, finding
the right solution for you.Because supplements, medicine, they
all work differently. Foodworks differently. Some people are
lactose intolerant, you know,some people are allergic to soy.

(53:00):
So it's finding how your bodyworks and really finding out what
works for you. But I think,you know, we have nutrigenomics,
so being able to do genetictesting on how you process nutrients,
you know, your allergytesting, you know, people, the whole
celiac disease, where reallyit's a lot of, you know, gluten might
have been one of the thingspeople are allergic to, but there

(53:23):
are a lot of other ingredientsthat people were probably allergic
to and not gluten.
So.
So I think it's about notstopping, pushing the barrier. And
with modern medicine, thingsare getting cheaper and cheaper and
cheaper as far as being ableto take some of this personalized
medicine at a affordable endquotes, you know, way.

(53:44):
I agree with that. What kindof advice would you give to someone
who's interested in exploringthese natural compounds as part of
their health? Your treatmentplan or management plan?
Finding the right physician.And it's, and it's not, I mean, I'm
available to talk, but Ireally recommend always talking to
your physician, you know,understanding what is going on in
your life and then, you know,reaching out to the community. So

(54:08):
there are, there are a lot ofX, there's some, some weird experts,
but there are some goodexperts. But it's about doing the
research for yourself,reaching out to individuals, talking
to your physicians, findingalternative physicians to really
find out what works for you. Ithink life's tough, like I mentioned
in the beginning of thepodcast, you know, so really evaluating

(54:30):
what's going on for youpersonally. You know, I'd say start
with some walking, you know,maybe try some meditation, turn off
the news at 7:00 because itjust seems to be just death after
whatever it is. These smallchanges might be more impactful than
just taking a dietarysupplement or herb, but you know,

(54:52):
but being able to be openminded, contacting individuals, talking
to your physician network,talking to a nutritionist is really
the key and it's not listeningto just one individual, but it's
look, looking at what's goingon with yourself and finding the
information for yourself.
Communication, kind of,everything you just said boils down

(55:15):
to communication. Communicatewith yourself and communicate with
those around you and yourdoctors to find a solution. I think
that's brilliant.
It doesn't hurt. I've neverhad anybody call me stupid for asking
a question, you know, but it'salways about, well, maybe someone,
but.
You know, those are the onesyou escort out the room, say, thank
you very much, have a niceday. I appreciate you being here.

(55:37):
I don't need your advice.Right, but it's, it's about asking
questions to find out what'sright for you. And we're too individualized
to have one answer.
Exactly, exactly. Well, youhave some solutions for people. Let's
talk about that a little bitand how to get a hold of you and
where to find your solutions, please.
Perfect. So, so I've beenworking obviously through ayurvedic

(55:59):
medicine, looking at variousneurotransmitters and I think sleep
has a big, big role in bothADHD and I think it has a big role
within depression. So if youlook at a lot of the studies, having
the right sleep schedule, theright time is related to, you know,
your mental focus, your mentalfortitude as well as your emotional

(56:22):
balance. What you do see insome of the clinical research, and
you can find this on thewebsite at www.drhalls.com is there
is a lot of clinical researchabout dream states, your ability
to process dreams. RememberDreams has a big effect on your emotional
stability. So I have oneproduct named Mind Restore, which

(56:44):
is a restorative nighttimesupplement which has, I don't want
to say sedative, but it hasthings like chamomile valerian root,
which are more sedative, alongwith a list of other ayurvedic herbs,
all transparent, all dosing onthe website, which have various effects
on the neurological pathwaysthere. What's unique about this product

(57:05):
is that it creates thatheightened dream state when you're
sleeping, so you have arestful night's sleep. Unlike melatonin,
you won't be waking up asgroggy, but you'll remember your
dreams. So being able toincorporate dream journaling into
this, if you do have thoseheightened dreams, will hopefully
create a better emotionalstate for an individual. Now another

(57:26):
product that I've seen have isMindset. Similarly, they can be taken
in conjunction. Everything'sbeen dosed to the safe recommended
approval approved levels bythe FDA within GRAs and some of the
dietary supplement laws.Similarly affects your dopamine levels,
your serotonin levels, as wellas your GABA and NMDA pathways. Unlike

(57:52):
targeting with the nighttimemore gaba, it's tightening some of
your dopamine and yourserotonin to help elevate your mood,
you know, and higher dopaminelevels actually does increase focus.
So these are tied to helpheighten your emotional state, which
I'm not saying it's a cure fordepression, it's not a cure for depression.

(58:14):
But the goal is to elevateyour mood so you have another tool
in the toolbox to help takecontrol of your life. The better
mood you are, the more likelyyou are to go to the gym, the more
likely you are to socialize,play tennis, play racquetball, play
Batman. I'm just saying theball sports or even play golf. And
another product, you know,it's. I've seen a lot of issues from

(58:36):
addiction just through friendswith Adderall, some of these amphetamines
that are prescribed for adhd.So similarly, it's a natural alternative
to, I would say it's nottreating adhd, but will help people
to focus in a similar matter.And mechanistically speaking, based

(58:58):
on those ingredients.
Brilliant opportunities for usto be able to take a naturopathic
approach to our mental healthand well being. Everything that you
mentioned, between being moresocial, getting more active, eating
right, putting the rightthings into our body, and being able
to communicate what we need tocommunicate within ourselves to get,

(59:19):
get the solutions that we needto, to for us to improve our quality
of life. So that's a. Yeah,it's been a brilliant conversation.
This time went by too fast.
I agree. It's been greattalking to you.
So yeah, you'll have to,you'll have to come back as we do,
we could, we can continue downthe road. So I will make sure that

(59:42):
everything is in the shownotes so that it's an easy way to
click and follow and you know,get your website. And again, a brilliant
website for everybody that'sout there when you do visit this
explore it, please. He's got awonderful blog. He's got a whole
bunch of educational andinspirational articles in there you
can read as well. Everythinghe talks about with the breakdown

(01:00:02):
of all the herbs and what theydo and how they affect you, I think
are another amazingopportunity for you to learn and
understand how putting thoseinto your body help you a little
bit better. So I'll make sureall that's available for everybody
and you can be found onInstagram too, correct?
Yep. Dr. All's health. So I'mjust starting following but I will

(01:00:24):
be putting out educationalcontent but always do the research
for yourself. I'd like tojust, you know, always want to empower
people to do, do that for themselves.
So that's a great deal. Thisis one more thing before you go.
So I always ask you have anywords of wisdom before we leave?
I hope everyone has a greatday. I hope everyone feels happy

(01:00:45):
and I hope, you know, everyonelearned something and I'm always
available to reach out and Ihope hope everyone just has a good
life and has the tools theyneed to survive. So I appreciate
you having me.
Brilliant, brilliant words ofwisdom. Thank you very much for all
of that. It's been a wonderfulconversation. Thank you for being
here. I think that we didmaybe inspire, motivate and educate

(01:01:07):
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Thank you for having me.
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