Today we're talking all about Season 4 Episode 8, Lifeboat. We'll talk to writers Kristin Newman and Jake Schnesel, directors Shari Springer Berman and Robert Pulcini, and we'll even hear from Production Designer Patrick Howe!
Tune in if you want to know how Eugene Levy and Steve Martin worked out their omelet bit, the origins of Eva Longoria's 19 in 1 multitool, and the many iterations of the Westies, including the final Westie, Helga!
Heads up, there are spoilers for episode eight. So listeners, if you haven't watched yet, stream it now and come right back!
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Tune in if you want to know how Eugene Levy and Steve Martin worked out their omelet bit, the origins of Eva Longoria's 19 in 1 multitool, and the many iterations of the Westies, including the final Westie, Helga!
Heads up, there are spoilers for episode eight. So listeners, if you haven't watched yet, stream it now and come right back!
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Want to win tickets to the Only Murders themed escape room!?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Straw hot Media.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Jake Hassel comes with a lot of wordplay, a lot
of little like a little quips like that.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
If you see that in the show, something like that,
that's usually a Schnezl.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Hello, Welcome back to the Only Murders in the Building Podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I'm Ryan Tillotson, I'm Maggie Bowles, and we are looking
behind the scenes in mining for clues as we meet
the casting creators of the Hulu original series Only Murders
in the Building.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Today, we're talking all about season four, episode eight, Lifeboat.
We'll talk to writers Kristin Newman and Jake Schnezel, directors
Sherry Springer Berman and Robert Paulcini, and we'll hear from
production designer Patrick Howe.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
We'll hear about how Eugene Levy and Steve Martin worked
out their omelet bit, the origins of the Eva Longoria
nineteen to one multi tool, and.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
The mini iterations of the Westies, including the final Westy Helga.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
But first, a quick recap.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Episode eight Lifeboat.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It starts with the origin of the Westies. Dudanov is
explaining the movie life Boat, and we learn that he
brought in each of the Westies to the west tower
of the Arconia.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
The trio leaves Long Island and heads back to the city.
They decide to meet the Hollywood Trio on set to
make a plan for getting the Westies to admit to
killing Dudenoff and says onset.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
They come up with a plan, invite them to a
big star stood a game of ohel and get them
to confess. Charles is suppressing his anger. Oliver is planning
his wedding.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Back at Oliver's apartment, the Westies arrive with a huge
hormone on a luggage cart, but as soon as they
get in, Rudy pulls a knife and Anna takes their phones.
They want to tell their side of the story.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
We start with the Sauce family. They befriended Dudanov after
delivering food from their restaurant to his apartment, and the
super low rent helped them launch their sauce business.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Rudy took Dudonov's film class and blew him away with
the monologue from a Few Good Men. Dudonoff helped him
survive as an aspiring actor.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Vince took Dudonov's class after he became a widow, so
he wouldn't be too lonely, and he bombed with Dudanov.
Soon they were all a family, but they insist Dudanov
moved to Portugal and left them with their cheap print
they didn't kill him.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Then there's a ding dong a sexy surprise. Helga, the
final Westi, arrives. We learn her story with Dudanoff, and
she says that after he supposedly left the west he
started acting weird. She thinks they killed.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Him, and Mabel has the shoulder joint from the incinerator
to prove that he is dead and not in Portugal. Finally,
the Westies tell them the truth. After finding out he
was dying, Dunanov decided to kill himself and asked the
Westies to burn his body until everyone he moved to Portugal.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
So that they could stay in their apartments.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
There's a video explaining it to Helga because he didn't
want to hurt her.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Ultimately, Mabel decides to let the Westies be and not
include their story in the podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Then Helga comes back and she tells the trio that
she knew Saz and that Saz was having problems with
another stumpman her protege, Glenn Studdings.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
She talked about a stuntman on a movie called Project Runkonkoma.
She said he was her protege, but that he had
messed up pretty badly and he was harassing her. She said,
he's dangerous and he's gonna be the death of me.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
What's Project run Konkoma?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Check IMDb.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
That's her website.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I know what IMDb is. My agent says he's gonna
get me on it.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Here we go, Project run Konkoma.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
Who's the stunt person?
Speaker 8 (03:24):
Is it someone we can talk to?
Speaker 7 (03:27):
Not exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Christen and Jake stepped out of the season five writer's
room to talk to us about co writing season four
episode eight.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Hopefully they are going to be quiet enough that you
won't hear season five secrets coming there.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I hope we do, honestly. Yeah, we want the secrets.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
We don't have a lot of the secrets yet, so
it's pretty sick.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You have the ideas for us, please, So, Kristin, you
got to sort of introduce everybody to the Westies, and
now in episode four eight, Jake, you and Kristin kind
of get to expand their stories. Can you tell us
about that process together individually and then like in the room.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, it was figuring out who the Westies were and
what their plan was was a long and some might
even stay tortured around. Lots of different things happened.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
At one point there was a cuddle cult as opposed
to a sex cult. There was just it was a
cult of people who cuddled, do not the leader. There
was various versions of them being murdered and who murdered
him and why they murdered him.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Vince was a cult leader for a bit there.
Speaker 9 (04:49):
Vince became the cult leader because he was cuddling with
Dunanoff at the moment died, which made him.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, if you could be there for the release, you
were cuddling during a release, then it was.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Like the Dali Lama has passed on to a baby.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
When there was like anyway that was this was our summer,
maybe our fall, it was our fall last year. But
then we settled into a spot that was really like
came from the core question what would a person do
for rent control? And in twenty twenty four, and certainly
(05:27):
in New York City, the answer is murder. The answer
that all of us wouldn't murder for rent control departments
in the Arconia. I think that's true, and so it
very easy once we kind of realized that everybody was
too leveable over there to ever actually murder anybody.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, but once we came to.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Dunnof as a kindly caretaker who gave everybody community and
gave them a place to be.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Because in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Four in New York City, you can't make it without
someone helping you. There is a a way to do
it by yourself. As Mabel said, they don't exist when
you could you buy an apartment for a bag of beans, Like,
that's not how it is anymore.
Speaker 10 (06:09):
Absolutely, And I think these these West these are I
mean they're they're they're lonely people who are in this
building who have no community, and much like the Trio,
they find each other and they form their own little family.
So what would you do to protect that family and
keep each other together?
Speaker 7 (06:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
And now luckily for Mabel, she's making you know, big
money she can. I don't know how big those life
wreats checks are, but it seems like pretty large. Yeah,
so now she's good.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
It was more than a five, It was life right,
definitely more than five.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
But what was we have to We spend a lot
of time in the room wondering what kind of debt
she's carrying in order to have those shoes and bags
like that is not a small amount as far as
we know. She's never had a job in her life,
but she has great sputters and these are costly that
much cashmere.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
That's a great question. I hadn't really thought of that.
Do you guys talk to Dana Kovarubys, the costume designer,
about the costs, about her cost of those.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
We all gave up a very long time ago wanting
anything like that kind of even circled the word grit
to be in only murders and ability. There is a
love of beauty that kind of surpasses all other things.
Like what every pillow in every apartment costs is more than.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Definitely two hundred dollars a month at their paper.
Speaker 10 (07:37):
And Selma had good taste and a supply of sweaters
that never runs out.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah. So in episode eight, the Trio is leaving the
house on Long Island. They're heading back to the city,
and we get this really great FaceTime moment between the
real Trio and the Hollywood trio.
Speaker 9 (07:55):
We are professional investigators and you are playing us in
a movie because of it, we are fine on our own.
Speaker 11 (08:01):
Hey, can we just mute you for a second.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
If you're muting us, we're muting you.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Good muting each other?
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Are these going to ruin this?
Speaker 12 (08:10):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (08:11):
Yeah, you didn't mute us?
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Oh sorry about that?
Speaker 13 (08:14):
Mute them now?
Speaker 7 (08:15):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I muted now we could still hear you.
Speaker 11 (08:18):
Tell you what.
Speaker 13 (08:19):
Let's just not mute.
Speaker 10 (08:21):
The FaceTime was so Christen's baby, and like it was
this comedic step piece that just was you know, as
this episode took so many iterations as they all do.
This is this this lone star of this episode. We're
doing this because this is so funny.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Then muting not being able to mute each other, it
just felt really important to me. I'm going to hear
them all talking about each other and how both sides
thought the other side was dumb dumbs and getting to
watch the two trios come together in this episode to
solve the.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Murder was really what we wanted to do, and we.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You know, we gave the actors their big win at
the end of episode seven and they kind of got
finally some cred for figuring something out that that really
was where we all started with the season, which was,
let's just take some of those unanswered questions that as
writers we very consciously chose to leave unanswered back in
(09:19):
season one when we were all like in the middle
of Lockdown, We're like, let's just leave a couple on purpose.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Because we're good craftsmen and crafts women.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And we'll wait until season four to tie these together
like great artist.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And so after those four years of careful.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Planning, we finally, we finally rewarded the audience for really
investing in us as artists. Were all with our carefully
planned answers to those holes that were never holes in
the script. You guys, they were carefully planned moments.
Speaker 9 (09:56):
This episode was written at the same time as when
you getting that's.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Right, right, Yeah, So that all checks out to me.
That sounds that sounds perfectly.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So smart to think that far in advance, I know
we aren't very smart. Kamail does this a few good
men's speech in this episode. He can get please do.
Speaker 10 (10:22):
I mean, I don't know what else to say other
than it's Umail Gianni showed up on set that day
we had in the script. You know, the first two
or three lines of the speech, and then it was,
you know, cut off.
Speaker 9 (10:37):
He came in and said, I got the whole thing.
Speaker 10 (10:39):
Down and nail just just cold nailed this thing like
nine times.
Speaker 9 (10:48):
It was. It was incredible. He's so funny and he's and.
Speaker 10 (10:51):
He actually impactful the way he was delivering forard to
that speech.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
And just like it was so prepared, maybe better than
Jack Michael said.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Would you say I'm more moving in the end, I
think that's even.
Speaker 14 (11:05):
Yeah, in my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you,
saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down
in places you don't talk about it parties.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
You want me on that wall. You need me on
that wall.
Speaker 14 (11:17):
Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand
a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what
you think you're entitled to.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Did you order the cord red?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I did the job. Did you order the cord red?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You're goddamn right, I did.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
Oh that was wonderful.
Speaker 10 (11:31):
But yeah, one of the coolest things I ever seen
on set was, I mean, I got a kum Ali
who's just like a comic god, just showing up that
prepared just nailing something that's above and beyond movies being asked,
we're so.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Cool with those as right.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Really, like, you know, we weren't sure.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
You know, he's you know, had to get very built
up for superhero movies. But we're like, we don't know,
Like I certainly wouldn't keep working out after the Superhero
movie was done.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Like is the naughty list on the abs get to play?
And you know what he did the work? Did that
work for our and we all our hat.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, Kumil and Johnny does the work. That's what we know.
Speaker 12 (12:16):
Oh oh comel Model, Oh my god, that was so funny.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Here is Sherry Springer Berman and Bobbi who directed the episode.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
It was shocking because you know, we it wasn't in
the script, so.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
It wasn't not that much of it, right, No.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
I mean it was kind of like he starts it
and they're like no please, and he had the whole
thing memoraged.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
And he would like do it and then turn he has.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Plenty of different options of work put again, I haven't
seen the final cut, so do they still do the dissolves?
I was like, we had so many options of where
to put. I mean, he gave us the entire to
perform the whole thing, and it was I love, It's
pretty amazing to be in the room and just see
(13:05):
all these great actors.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
He had to do it because of scheduling. We shot
their side.
Speaker 12 (13:14):
We've had to shoot both sides of the room at
different times. But all the Westies came back for the
you know, Arconia people to watch to act off of
their performance, So basically he had to deliver it again
for Steve, Marty and ug It was just hysterical and
(13:37):
he did it with as much passion and gusto. And
you know, I feel like if you called him right now,
he would give you the momop.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I would hope.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
I hope.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
It's this new party trick.
Speaker 12 (13:49):
You know, if you bump into him on the street,
he will give you. And he's great, He's so brilliant,
so lovely, and they all were amazing.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
That was another sort of like similarly, you have everybody
kind of in a small space again, right.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
This episode's pretty past. Episode eight was we did a
little thing with Paul Rudd for another I mean, we had.
Speaker 12 (14:12):
Like but episode eight was particularly hard with schedules and
we had all the people like everybody at the same time,
so we had to shoot pieces at different times. It
was it was not not an easy puzzle to solve,
but I think we did it.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
But it was hard you did.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I mean I had no idea. It felt like everyone
was there, so you pulled it off for sure.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
The movie Magic, it's really interesting to watch it and
it looks so effortless and when sometimes you're just like, wow,
it really looks effortless when there was so much effort.
But that's good thing.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
That's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, that's the goal.
Speaker 12 (14:53):
I mean, it was really fun when we had it was,
like I said, it reminded me of the movie Clue,
which I really like when we had like everybody in
the drawing room together and each person was telling their
story and that's like a bold movie that I.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Kind of love.
Speaker 12 (15:10):
Gruffin Dunn also, Yeah, what a wonder what an honor
it was to work with him, What a wonderful performance.
So yeah, I think it was just really fun having
having that kind of clue set piece.
Speaker 15 (15:25):
Oh hell, we brought yet play cards without come up.
Speaker 10 (15:33):
I never thought that it was going to be present
for a hormone getting wheeled in on a laundry card.
Speaker 9 (15:39):
That just not something I I'd see in my lifetime.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Back to Jake Schnezzel and Kristin Newman, the writers of
the episode, getting.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
To watch Steve and Eugene work out the omelet fit
backstage two, which was written differently in terms of comedy
and in terms of the.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Physical comedy of it all.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
But watching the two of them like find the physicality
of it, you know, it's an amazing thing to watch.
We shot seven and eight in conjunction, and so there
was there were days of sitting on set with all
of these people, and Meryll and Melissa McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
And Molly Shannon.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
They're all there all for days, and we threw ourselves
to New York.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
City and we sat right there in the middle of ecks.
It's just not something you're going to miss. It was
fails to watch.
Speaker 9 (16:30):
It all happened.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I would do the same thing absolutely well. I'm so
curious what changed differently in the omelet scene. I also
just made Steve Martin's got quick hands. He grabbed that omelet,
Yeah he did.
Speaker 15 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
It was going to be a whole thing where Eutee
was going to be very cocky about I don't think
I need to practice flipping this homelet. And then he
was going to keep practicing throughout the conversation and keep
dropping it on the ground. And then there was this
actress who played an ad who he drop the omelet
and she would wordlessly skit her in and pick up
the omelet and put it back in his pan and
(17:04):
then stare away. And then they would keep talking about
emotional things that he would miss again and she would
get her in and pick it up and put it
in and move it away. But anyway, they simplify the
scene into sort of what it became.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
But fun to watch them all do that.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So fun. Well, So later on when they're back at
the Arconia and Eugene Levy sort of like channels Charles's rage,
can we talk about that a little bit too, because
I feel like we were sort of building towards that
moment for a lot of the episode.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, that was like Dan Fogelman going what's the surprising
way that his rage comes out?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
And what if it's silent?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And Steve of course nailed it and ran with that
and was fantastic at it, but also getting the scene
she can love get mad, which you don't get to
no very often either. You know, I think that he
was excited to play a version of himself, which is
a very different person than the character that he often plays.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
You know, you were kind of bumbling and sweet.
Speaker 10 (18:02):
I think it was nice for Steve to I mean,
you take it's he's the world's greatest physical comedian, and
to give him.
Speaker 9 (18:08):
Something where it's all physicality, no dialogue. It was it
was so much fun to write and watch.
Speaker 8 (18:18):
Yes, interesting, is this how I find out he's a mine?
Speaker 15 (18:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
We can't hear him, but I'm so tuned into his character.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I can feel his words.
Speaker 13 (18:26):
He's saying, these people killed, says I am steamed and
put out to some degree.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Oh the hell with this?
Speaker 14 (18:38):
Give me that?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
For me, the greatest joy of the show, Like one
of the greatest joys in the show is writing a
physical bit for Steve Martin into a script, and then
when he does it in real life, he you know,
or maybe you get a note and he's added onto it.
Like to have him take a physical bit that you
(19:01):
write and then like say yes, and it like.
Speaker 9 (19:04):
I'm like, that just happened. I just did that. That
just happened.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
That Yeah, that's really special. Riffing on your bit. I
love it.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Yeah, boy boy.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
In this episode, we learned that Zach Galfanakis really loves weddings.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Wedding is the most important part of a marriage.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Right, he gets married quarterly?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
You always that's a truth, right, Yeah, the marriage is
the easy part.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
It's the way it matters.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, we've been married what like eight times at this point.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah, where did that come from?
Speaker 11 (19:34):
Well?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I find renewals of vows to be ridiculous for all,
so much like my agenda that Spain is better than
Portugal that I've been able to get out there on Earth.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I do believe that the.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Grand renewals of vowels, like I think Seal and Heidi
Kloone famously show or perhaps not as effective at keeping
a marriage together as they would have hoped when they
once a year did like a half a million dollar
I think renewal of vows, you know that hundreds of
people had to go to every year.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Can you imagine if they were your friends?
Speaker 9 (20:06):
Oh my godulous.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
We just kind of loved that for.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Zach, and I think he is very happily married and familied,
and so that was kind of a nice bit of
him anyway, that he is this like very kind.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Of in love, happily done guy.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And I think he pee leaned so much into being
kind of a grumpy asshole version of Zach Elliphant at
this in this show. I think it was nice to
give him this like big romantic senta.
Speaker 11 (20:35):
We get married this weekend. I am please don't tell
me to do it at a courthouse. Weddings demand spectacle
music speeches AK forty seven shot right up in the air.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
Zach, I didn't realize you were a fellow.
Speaker 11 (20:47):
Romantic weddings are the most important part of a marriage.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
My wife and I get married quarterly.
Speaker 11 (20:53):
The venue sets the tone for your life together. When
we want playfulness, we get married at the beach. If
we've been fighting, then is at the sight of an
important armistice We all to Potsdam cam David.
Speaker 9 (21:05):
We needed a lot of those.
Speaker 10 (21:06):
Yeah, And I think all of her is I mean,
obviously he's so big or is he's so extra that
I mean to give Zach this this point of view
that's even bigger towards weddings. He wants to do things
grander than Oliver, just to land in this very sweet
place of you know what, I just want to get
married in the Arconia because that feels like home. But
(21:28):
maybe I'll take you up in the hot air balloons
another time.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I could, and that ends up being quite romantic. And
I love when Zach gives him a kiss and says
my little boloney lobe or something like that.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, yeah, he really went for that kiss too. Yeah.
There is no one more game than Zach eliphan Ax.
He really. He also was a great yess hander.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
I love that.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
But Loretta and I shall marry here in the Raconia.
This is where we fell in love, and I want
a marriage where we fall in love every day for
the rest of our very long lives.
Speaker 9 (22:05):
You adorable Bologney.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Loof, You beautiful bitchy boloney loof?
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Do you know what a bologny loaf is?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
After the break Charles's Hollywood apartment and the reveal of
the final.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Westie welcome back, in this episode, we see Charles's living
room as a set.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Complete with a Brass's poster with Eugene Levy instead of
Charles Hayden Savage.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
We had assumed the production team would just take advantage
of the real set, but production designer Patrick Howe set
us straight.
Speaker 15 (22:57):
Well, I don't know if it's a surprise or not,
but we created a second Charles Wow. You know it
was definitely conceived like of course you'll just be using
the real thing, but it was this is another like
deep dive into with a lot of the creatives, producers,
with John, they all went through of like round and
(23:20):
round about this. But I was trying to be It
was difficult to articulate, but I was trying to spearhead
like we can't reveal the actual set as the actual set,
just like we have a future. You know, it's going
to make a difference for season five, Like if you
now took you know whatever overhead, what's mccalloy camera that
(23:42):
can fly around and showed like the studio from the
grid and showed all the set, you know, we just
it would the suspension of disbelief for everybody. But you know,
it would just to all be out the window literally,
So I didn't want to. I wanted to convey the
movie set. But by showing as little as possible of
the real stage.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Well, you've convinced me.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Although the first edition touching the second.
Speaker 16 (24:05):
Edition, Yeah, yeah, how could my character live here?
Speaker 6 (24:11):
The album's not alphabetizz oh nice, nice a first edition
touching a second edition, Yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
That's really good because we thought that they were just
that that whole Charles's movie apartment would be the same place,
the same.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
This again is Kristin Newman and Jeeke Snizzle, the writers
of the Persei Ryan.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
That was the dream, Oh Ryan.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
We couldn't believe.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
There was a desire to like not ruin the kind
of magic, you know, and break the fourth wall completely
by showing our underwear, you know, which is that like
these apartments are on sets, you know, and so you know,
Johaffman in the end was like, let's let's protect the
baby a little bit. But we did have a lot
of like you know, that Oliver and Zach scene that happens,
(25:07):
like happened at first, like we wrote it as Oliver
just sitting like on the ground in the middle of
his completely empty apartment. You know, the walls are done,
everything's done, but it's just stripped and like just like
wandering around this place that is exactly his except empty,
and like people being able to walk through you know,
(25:28):
doors that don't go anywhere, and getting to you know,
getting to play.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
In those spaces was part.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Of it, and then it went away and that was
sad for us, but I think probably good for the
TV show.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
When you write these things like where you know you
have to do a fake Charles apartment or something like that,
are you imagining it being the set because of cost
reasons or what is it that? Is that what you're thinking?
Speaker 10 (25:53):
Yeah, you never want to have to build something new.
But you know, we had slight tweaks on it. Do
we imagine we use the set except instead of the
poster that says fresh hot vegetables in the corner, it
says mean cold meat. Just like it's just like a
bizarro twist. It was a little just a couple of
things that changed out.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Goshcha, Yeah, we did notice that. We did notice that picture. Yes, listeners,
did you notice the little bizarro tweaks to Charles's movie apartment?
Directors Sherry and Bob explained.
Speaker 12 (26:24):
We didn't want to like destroy the movie magic of
the real set. Yeah, so it sort of honors the set,
but it's different enough that it's not exactly the same.
But also the real set is like very enclosed. We
wanted to be able to pull out and see that
you're on a sound stage, which you couldn't do with
the real set.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
I love seeing Eugene and Steve together like this. The
scene with the omelet is particularly great. And also, like
you know, in an earlier episode, I don't know if
you saw with the eye patch also, So these moments
of those two together are just they make me very happy.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, I love them together.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
That was wonderful to watch those two. Kind of it's
when it kind of like starts edging the omelet edge
like that just kinds of happens when you put those
two you do this. You know, you just see kind
of these things evolved, and it's that's that's kind of
the magic sometimes when you when you have two people
like that who take it and then make magic with it.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You know, it's like, how do you create that like
that freedom? Like I mean it sounds like with schedules
and all this stuff, is that hard thing to do?
Speaker 6 (27:37):
Well, it is hard, but you know these people are
they're just kind of comedy geniuses, right, so they have
a radar for when something can be better and if
it kind of happens in the moment and they make
it better. You know, just everybody you can tell on
(27:58):
set if everybody's laughing, it's working.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
And I mean I think that John really creates a
very like loving, warm and open environment, a very accepting environment.
So I don't feel anxious. I don't think the actors
feel anxious. I think everybody feels like they can just
play and have fun and uh and.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
That really sort of sets the tone.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, definitely, we've been teased the reveal of the final
WESTI Helga by John Hoffmann. I think earlier it was
the blonde with the pig and the weird accent. We
did not know who Helga was. In fact, we had
some bad theories.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
We sure did well.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
We too didn't know who Helga was for quite some time.
We thought we were going to meet her in that
shack at the end of four with a gun. That
was that was gonna happen.
Speaker 9 (28:47):
That's not what happened. She always got kidnapped.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
She was missus dudanof for a while.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
Then she was she was one of the same with
Anna Sauce daughter. Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
They were the same person for a bit, was she
She was getting her back corrected at at the concussions
hirofractor for a while.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
He you guys, this is what we do. We just
make some tires, end up with a hot lots of sheen.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Also very fascinated by very hot people who have jobs
that you don't have to be hot for, Like just
like a very hot person working at a CBS and
you're like, you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Do this, especially in a city like New York or
Los Angeles, you know what I mean, Like I get
it a hot person in you know, Utah somewhere, but you.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Can just have a like kind of face and still
be a lawyer or a plumber or whatever like, but
like not in these cities where you can make so
much money off of your hot face. So that was
also part of my agenda items that I wanted really
to be talked about as a society.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
So you knew she was going to be hot. That
is like what you did, know.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I think when you start talking about Scandinavian people, that's
something away.
Speaker 17 (30:02):
They're told they're beautiful, and you know, I get start
every morning or this job with Kristen walking in and
letting us know as I had a roofer come over today,
and you would not believe this face.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
It's fascinating, right, It's like you can make so much
money in the city even as a bartender, Like you
don't have to be a model or an actor. You
can aspire to that, but still makes so much fun.
So when people just like make a minimum, Wait when
when when a hotness can can bring something else, I'm
just so interested in them.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yeah, that's well. So, I mean Rudy really monopolized on
his hotness with the Christmas video he did.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
He knew what he had and he worked with it.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, but it's so tiresome.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Right, So when you meet somebody who's like, I know,
I'm a hot but that's not what I go. That's
not how I'm gonna pay the bills.
Speaker 9 (30:45):
Passionate locks, not looks.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
That's right.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Jake Hassel comes with a lot of word play, a
lot of little like.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
A little quips like that. If you see that in
the show, something like that, that's usually a schnassle.
Speaker 10 (30:59):
Usually we have good people like Christine who are kinding
up to delete those before.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Also, Jake is really our Ham radio guy, so that
his secret, say I get from.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Another one of the writers was a Ham Radio Yeah.
Speaker 10 (31:14):
Well, I'm kind of get into the research on whatever
we're talking about for the day.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
So I'm sure I'm on nineteen government watchlists.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Wait, so you you have one and you just kind
of jump in and you just I.
Speaker 10 (31:27):
Can't jump in. That's illegal. I could get it. You
have to be licensed.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
See, this is the kind of stuff that he comes
into the room with and we're ribbon in and.
Speaker 9 (31:38):
It's like, that's amazing, Jake. I don't know how we're
going to put that in the show, but you.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Know, license we learned.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
There's call signs, there's a lot of chatter about weather
and kind of prepping.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
There are a lot of preppers. It's most preppers.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I would think.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Yeah, so you can have one, but you can't communicate
with people on it unless you have a license.
Speaker 10 (32:00):
Right now, I can listen, but I can't. I can't
myself take up space on the airwaves. But that a license,
but which I kind of would like to do. But
I also feel like my wife would leave me if
I ignored our daughters so that I could study for
my hand radio test.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
But just listening is creepy, right like, and not participating,
that's lurky.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Mag mag would be all on board for that.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I'm a lurker through and through. So that is actually
probably my the way that I would want to experience
a Ham Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, this entire storyline happened because Saz said in season.
Speaker 9 (32:39):
In season three, episode five, there had.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Been some shatter on the Ham Radio and John Hoffman's life.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Well we have that has to be most of the season.
Speaker 9 (32:49):
So that's happened.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Interesting. Yeah, we heard from Reddit that someone was expecting
to see John hamm, which I think would be great.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Did that get on tell there's John ham in the pants?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That was I did write that moment into episode two
so that we did have a John Hammer mentioned.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
Also, did you know Loretta's co star is the internet
famous for something called a John ham in the pants situation?
Speaker 7 (33:13):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I know when deep down that rabbit Hole and Rainy
Afternoon we.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Got to talk about the kind of the big reveal
in this Yeah we should uh, Dudo kills himself, kills himself.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, we learned what happened to Dud enough and that
the Westies are not murderous but good people.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
So what did you guys think?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Did you think that in the end it it was
still problematic that they burned their neighbor, or.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It was a moral quandary.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
Probably it all.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Back in terms of moral quandaries he asked them to
they wanted.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
This was his dying wish. They got their places. What
were they It is my question to you.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I think that, uh, this is why they'll probably never
choose me for jury duty because I think that they're right,
even though probably technically they're breaking the.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Law, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
But but I'm with Mabel. I say let them have
their rent control departments, you know. And this is what
dudinof wanted. So even though it's not technically legal, I
believe it is the morally right just thing to do.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
I agree, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
So people were incinerated.
Speaker 10 (34:28):
Don't break up this family, especially when it's when you're drumming,
is Richard Kai It can't be a crime.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, yeah, I mean obviously it was very hard for them.
It's not what they wanted to do. But he's already
he'd already taken it so far.
Speaker 18 (34:44):
So you know, when I'm gone this building, they're going
to slope in and you know, tear our cast apart.
Speaker 16 (34:55):
But I have a workaround, and and it's that you
will all keep me alive. Well, I mean, actually no,
because I've just taken a hell of a lot of pills.
I want you tonight to put my body in the incinerator.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Yes, yes, And.
Speaker 18 (35:21):
Then I want you to cash my social Security checks
and I want you to tell everybody I just moved
to Portugal.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
So now do you feel like the West Tower is done?
And we're now just back onto movieland as we did.
You know, the season certainly plays with is it somebody
from the movie?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Is it somebody from the West Tower? Where all the
different things happened, like the.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Shooting at the photo shoot, This was all kind of
carefully chosen about in terms of the secuitous route. So like,
how will these things tie to gather you guys, this
West Tower.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
We've got questions.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
We have bodies and a movie. How can this possibly happen?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I am not sure. I'm still parsing it out.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yeah, I don't suspect the Westies really anymore.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
But no, but he's still suspicious of Helga.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
He should feel Yeah, it just feels weird. I don't know, like.
Speaker 9 (36:13):
It's a weird actor suspicion.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
When they talk ever about the Ela Longoria nineteen and
one tool that was something that was important to us.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Please talk about that.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
I would love to know, does this tool exist at all?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
But shouldn't it?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I mean, my only concern obviously is that there is
both a nail gun and a vibratorumption and so.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
That is a terrifying think think about getting wrong.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, I don't want to vibrate your nail in the wall,
is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
That's obviously.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, uh huh, that's true.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
We had there was uh, you know, there's always gold
on the edit room floor because these episodes are often
very long the first time that you cut them together,
and then things have to be trimmed down, and a
lot of a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot
a lot of different Eva Longoria businesses that she had,
like Eva Longoria branded things were cut, even though as
(37:15):
you can see, there's very many of them still remaining.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, there was sort of a poppy field.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
In Afghanistan, I mean was there was a lot of
Eva Longoria tentacles making money in lots of different ways.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
And so, yeah, her nineteen and one tool made us happy.
Speaker 9 (37:31):
Yeah, I think the originally this entire script was it
was thirty pages of Eva Longoria's businesses and Tony Danza's
White Pants extrava Dance.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Oh yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Also, there was a whole version of episode eight that
was much much heavier on Tony Danza and his is
It Okay to Wear White?
Speaker 7 (37:51):
Party?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
It was already a lot of Tony dancers.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Is that what you mean, Maggie Or did you think
to yourself, why isn't.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
There more Tony dancer?
Speaker 9 (38:02):
Should?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I think that was my second thought. Actually, I first
thought was another Tony dancer, and then I was like,
wait a minute, there's not enough.
Speaker 9 (38:11):
I think we called Tony Hemza for about ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
The sauce the Who's the sauce? Basically once we came
upon Who's the Sauce?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Which I can't remember that it was Jake, but I
just to guess that it was that jj Philbin.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Once we get to Who's the Sauce?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
For like, we just like, we don't know anything else
about the episode, but we do know it's going to
have to come back to Who's the sauce?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
In some way. That was really our guiding light.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Did you ask Tony to come on the show because
that would have been great?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Not yet, but you know what I mean. We're working
on season five.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yeah, definitely, that's it for today. Thank you so much
for listening.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Back in a couple days to talk about the lifeboat
of it all with John Hoffman and the final member
of the Sauce family, Desmond Borjes, who plays Alfonso.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
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Speaker 4 (39:30):
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is Carolyn Mendoza.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Thanks to Kristin Newman, Jake schinezl Robert Bulcini, Sherry Springer Berman,
and Patrick Howe for talking with us this week.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
And a big, big thanks as always to John Hoffman
and the entire Hulu team.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
See you soon, Bye.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
No, we don't have a pig that would have been
really on brand.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Just like the picture of Heidi Klum dresses a worm
for Halloween. It's burned in my memory. I think about
it like frequently. I don't know if you've ever seen it,
but it's really alarming.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
It's really alarming. Yeah, it's worth area.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Is it a sexy worm?
Speaker 4 (40:26):
No, no, it's not sexy. Yeah, look it up, google it.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, I appreciate not girls don't do sexy Halloween costumes.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, she is the epitome of that what oh oh wow,
that is faun.
Speaker 9 (40:45):
I don't understand why you don't think this is a
sexy worm.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Would you still love me if I was a worm?
I think it's the origin, right, really.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Has wishiness to it, kind of a yeah, it's very PenTile.
Speaker 9 (40:59):
Yeah yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Like a trissant.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah yeah, it's really it's really horrifying. Anyways, so I'll
cut this whole thing out.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
No one will know how smart I am.
Straw hot Media.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Jake Hassel comes with a lot of wordplay, a lot
of little like a little quips like that.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
If you see that in the show, something like that,
that's usually a Schnezl.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Hello, Welcome back to the Only Murders in the Building Podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I'm Ryan Tillotson, I'm Maggie Bowles, and we are looking
behind the scenes in mining for clues as we meet
the casting creators of the Hulu original series Only Murders
in the Building.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Today, we're talking all about season four, episode eight, Lifeboat.
We'll talk to writers Kristin Newman and Jake Schnezel, directors
Sherry Springer Berman and Robert Paulcini, and we'll hear from
production designer Patrick Howe.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
We'll hear about how Eugene Levy and Steve Martin worked
out their omelet bit, the origins of the Eva Longoria
nineteen to one multi tool, and.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
The mini iterations of the Westies, including the final Westy Helga.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
But first, a quick recap.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Episode eight Lifeboat.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It starts with the origin of the Westies. Dudanov is
explaining the movie life Boat, and we learn that he
brought in each of the Westies to the west tower
of the Arconia.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
The trio leaves Long Island and heads back to the city.
They decide to meet the Hollywood Trio on set to
make a plan for getting the Westies to admit to
killing Dudenoff and says onset.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
They come up with a plan, invite them to a
big star stood a game of ohel and get them
to confess. Charles is suppressing his anger. Oliver is planning
his wedding.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Back at Oliver's apartment, the Westies arrive with a huge
hormone on a luggage cart, but as soon as they
get in, Rudy pulls a knife and Anna takes their phones.
They want to tell their side of the story.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
We start with the Sauce family. They befriended Dudanov after
delivering food from their restaurant to his apartment, and the
super low rent helped them launch their sauce business.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Rudy took Dudonov's film class and blew him away with
the monologue from a Few Good Men. Dudonoff helped him
survive as an aspiring actor.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Vince took Dudonov's class after he became a widow, so
he wouldn't be too lonely, and he bombed with Dudanov.
Soon they were all a family, but they insist Dudanov
moved to Portugal and left them with their cheap print
they didn't kill him.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Then there's a ding dong a sexy surprise. Helga, the
final Westi, arrives. We learn her story with Dudanoff, and
she says that after he supposedly left the west he
started acting weird. She thinks they killed.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Him, and Mabel has the shoulder joint from the incinerator
to prove that he is dead and not in Portugal. Finally,
the Westies tell them the truth. After finding out he
was dying, Dunanov decided to kill himself and asked the
Westies to burn his body until everyone he moved to Portugal.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
So that they could stay in their apartments.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
There's a video explaining it to Helga because he didn't
want to hurt her.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Ultimately, Mabel decides to let the Westies be and not
include their story in the podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Then Helga comes back and she tells the trio that
she knew Saz and that Saz was having problems with
another stumpman her protege, Glenn Studdings.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
She talked about a stuntman on a movie called Project Runkonkoma.
She said he was her protege, but that he had
messed up pretty badly and he was harassing her. She said,
he's dangerous and he's gonna be the death of me.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
What's Project run Konkoma?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Check IMDb.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
That's her website.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I know what IMDb is. My agent says he's gonna
get me on it.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Here we go, Project run Konkoma.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
Who's the stunt person?
Speaker 8 (03:24):
Is it someone we can talk to?
Speaker 7 (03:27):
Not exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Christen and Jake stepped out of the season five writer's
room to talk to us about co writing season four
episode eight.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Hopefully they are going to be quiet enough that you
won't hear season five secrets coming there.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I hope we do, honestly. Yeah, we want the secrets.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
We don't have a lot of the secrets yet, so
it's pretty sick.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You have the ideas for us, please, So, Kristin, you
got to sort of introduce everybody to the Westies, and
now in episode four eight, Jake, you and Kristin kind
of get to expand their stories. Can you tell us
about that process together individually and then like in the room.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, it was figuring out who the Westies were and
what their plan was was a long and some might
even stay tortured around. Lots of different things happened.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
At one point there was a cuddle cult as opposed
to a sex cult. There was just it was a
cult of people who cuddled, do not the leader. There
was various versions of them being murdered and who murdered
him and why they murdered him.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Vince was a cult leader for a bit there.
Speaker 9 (04:49):
Vince became the cult leader because he was cuddling with
Dunanoff at the moment died, which made him.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, if you could be there for the release, you
were cuddling during a release, then it was.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Like the Dali Lama has passed on to a baby.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
When there was like anyway that was this was our summer,
maybe our fall, it was our fall last year. But
then we settled into a spot that was really like
came from the core question what would a person do
for rent control? And in twenty twenty four, and certainly
(05:27):
in New York City, the answer is murder. The answer
that all of us wouldn't murder for rent control departments
in the Arconia. I think that's true, and so it
very easy once we kind of realized that everybody was
too leveable over there to ever actually murder anybody.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, but once we came to.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Dunnof as a kindly caretaker who gave everybody community and
gave them a place to be.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Because in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Four in New York City, you can't make it without
someone helping you. There is a a way to do
it by yourself. As Mabel said, they don't exist when
you could you buy an apartment for a bag of beans, Like,
that's not how it is anymore.
Speaker 10 (06:09):
Absolutely, And I think these these West these are I
mean they're they're they're lonely people who are in this
building who have no community, and much like the Trio,
they find each other and they form their own little family.
So what would you do to protect that family and
keep each other together?
Speaker 7 (06:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
And now luckily for Mabel, she's making you know, big
money she can. I don't know how big those life
wreats checks are, but it seems like pretty large. Yeah,
so now she's good.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
It was more than a five, It was life right,
definitely more than five.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
But what was we have to We spend a lot
of time in the room wondering what kind of debt
she's carrying in order to have those shoes and bags
like that is not a small amount as far as
we know. She's never had a job in her life,
but she has great sputters and these are costly that
much cashmere.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
That's a great question. I hadn't really thought of that.
Do you guys talk to Dana Kovarubys, the costume designer,
about the costs, about her cost of those.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
We all gave up a very long time ago wanting
anything like that kind of even circled the word grit
to be in only murders and ability. There is a
love of beauty that kind of surpasses all other things.
Like what every pillow in every apartment costs is more than.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Definitely two hundred dollars a month at their paper.
Speaker 10 (07:37):
And Selma had good taste and a supply of sweaters
that never runs out.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah. So in episode eight, the Trio is leaving the
house on Long Island. They're heading back to the city,
and we get this really great FaceTime moment between the
real Trio and the Hollywood trio.
Speaker 9 (07:55):
We are professional investigators and you are playing us in
a movie because of it, we are fine on our own.
Speaker 11 (08:01):
Hey, can we just mute you for a second.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
If you're muting us, we're muting you.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Good muting each other?
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Are these going to ruin this?
Speaker 12 (08:10):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (08:11):
Yeah, you didn't mute us?
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Oh sorry about that?
Speaker 13 (08:14):
Mute them now?
Speaker 7 (08:15):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I muted now we could still hear you.
Speaker 11 (08:18):
Tell you what.
Speaker 13 (08:19):
Let's just not mute.
Speaker 10 (08:21):
The FaceTime was so Christen's baby, and like it was
this comedic step piece that just was you know, as
this episode took so many iterations as they all do.
This is this this lone star of this episode. We're
doing this because this is so funny.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Then muting not being able to mute each other, it
just felt really important to me. I'm going to hear
them all talking about each other and how both sides
thought the other side was dumb dumbs and getting to
watch the two trios come together in this episode to
solve the.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Murder was really what we wanted to do, and we.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You know, we gave the actors their big win at
the end of episode seven and they kind of got
finally some cred for figuring something out that that really
was where we all started with the season, which was,
let's just take some of those unanswered questions that as
writers we very consciously chose to leave unanswered back in
(09:19):
season one when we were all like in the middle
of Lockdown, We're like, let's just leave a couple on purpose.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Because we're good craftsmen and crafts women.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And we'll wait until season four to tie these together
like great artist.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And so after those four years of careful.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Planning, we finally, we finally rewarded the audience for really
investing in us as artists. Were all with our carefully
planned answers to those holes that were never holes in
the script. You guys, they were carefully planned moments.
Speaker 9 (09:56):
This episode was written at the same time as when
you getting that's.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Right, right, Yeah, So that all checks out to me.
That sounds that sounds perfectly.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So smart to think that far in advance, I know
we aren't very smart. Kamail does this a few good
men's speech in this episode. He can get please do.
Speaker 10 (10:22):
I mean, I don't know what else to say other
than it's Umail Gianni showed up on set that day
we had in the script. You know, the first two
or three lines of the speech, and then it was,
you know, cut off.
Speaker 9 (10:37):
He came in and said, I got the whole thing.
Speaker 10 (10:39):
Down and nail just just cold nailed this thing like
nine times.
Speaker 9 (10:48):
It was. It was incredible. He's so funny and he's and.
Speaker 10 (10:51):
He actually impactful the way he was delivering forard to
that speech.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
And just like it was so prepared, maybe better than
Jack Michael said.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Would you say I'm more moving in the end, I
think that's even.
Speaker 14 (11:05):
Yeah, in my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you,
saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down
in places you don't talk about it parties.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
You want me on that wall. You need me on
that wall.
Speaker 14 (11:17):
Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand
a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what
you think you're entitled to.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Did you order the cord red?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I did the job. Did you order the cord red?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You're goddamn right, I did.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
Oh that was wonderful.
Speaker 10 (11:31):
But yeah, one of the coolest things I ever seen
on set was, I mean, I got a kum Ali
who's just like a comic god, just showing up that
prepared just nailing something that's above and beyond movies being asked,
we're so.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Cool with those as right.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Really, like, you know, we weren't sure.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
You know, he's you know, had to get very built
up for superhero movies. But we're like, we don't know,
Like I certainly wouldn't keep working out after the Superhero
movie was done.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Like is the naughty list on the abs get to play?
And you know what he did the work? Did that
work for our and we all our hat.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, Kumil and Johnny does the work. That's what we know.
Speaker 12 (12:16):
Oh oh comel Model, Oh my god, that was so funny.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Here is Sherry Springer Berman and Bobbi who directed the episode.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
It was shocking because you know, we it wasn't in
the script, so.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
It wasn't not that much of it, right, No.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
I mean it was kind of like he starts it
and they're like no please, and he had the whole
thing memoraged.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
And he would like do it and then turn he has.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Plenty of different options of work put again, I haven't
seen the final cut, so do they still do the dissolves?
I was like, we had so many options of where
to put. I mean, he gave us the entire to
perform the whole thing, and it was I love, It's
pretty amazing to be in the room and just see
(13:05):
all these great actors.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
He had to do it because of scheduling. We shot
their side.
Speaker 12 (13:14):
We've had to shoot both sides of the room at
different times. But all the Westies came back for the
you know, Arconia people to watch to act off of
their performance, So basically he had to deliver it again
for Steve, Marty and ug It was just hysterical and
(13:37):
he did it with as much passion and gusto. And
you know, I feel like if you called him right now,
he would give you the momop.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I would hope.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
I hope.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
It's this new party trick.
Speaker 12 (13:49):
You know, if you bump into him on the street,
he will give you. And he's great, He's so brilliant,
so lovely, and they all were amazing.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
That was another sort of like similarly, you have everybody
kind of in a small space again, right.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
This episode's pretty past. Episode eight was we did a
little thing with Paul Rudd for another I mean, we had.
Speaker 12 (14:12):
Like but episode eight was particularly hard with schedules and
we had all the people like everybody at the same time,
so we had to shoot pieces at different times. It
was it was not not an easy puzzle to solve,
but I think we did it.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
But it was hard you did.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I mean I had no idea. It felt like everyone
was there, so you pulled it off for sure.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
The movie Magic, it's really interesting to watch it and
it looks so effortless and when sometimes you're just like, wow,
it really looks effortless when there was so much effort.
But that's good thing.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
That's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, that's the goal.
Speaker 12 (14:53):
I mean, it was really fun when we had it was,
like I said, it reminded me of the movie Clue,
which I really like when we had like everybody in
the drawing room together and each person was telling their
story and that's like a bold movie that I.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Kind of love.
Speaker 12 (15:10):
Gruffin Dunn also, Yeah, what a wonder what an honor
it was to work with him, What a wonderful performance.
So yeah, I think it was just really fun having
having that kind of clue set piece.
Speaker 15 (15:25):
Oh hell, we brought yet play cards without come up.
Speaker 10 (15:33):
I never thought that it was going to be present
for a hormone getting wheeled in on a laundry card.
Speaker 9 (15:39):
That just not something I I'd see in my lifetime.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Back to Jake Schnezzel and Kristin Newman, the writers of
the episode, getting.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
To watch Steve and Eugene work out the omelet fit
backstage two, which was written differently in terms of comedy
and in terms of the.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Physical comedy of it all.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
But watching the two of them like find the physicality
of it, you know, it's an amazing thing to watch.
We shot seven and eight in conjunction, and so there
was there were days of sitting on set with all
of these people, and Meryll and Melissa McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
And Molly Shannon.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
They're all there all for days, and we threw ourselves
to New York.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
City and we sat right there in the middle of ecks.
It's just not something you're going to miss. It was
fails to watch.
Speaker 9 (16:30):
It all happened.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I would do the same thing absolutely well. I'm so
curious what changed differently in the omelet scene. I also
just made Steve Martin's got quick hands. He grabbed that omelet,
Yeah he did.
Speaker 15 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
It was going to be a whole thing where Eutee
was going to be very cocky about I don't think
I need to practice flipping this homelet. And then he
was going to keep practicing throughout the conversation and keep
dropping it on the ground. And then there was this
actress who played an ad who he drop the omelet
and she would wordlessly skit her in and pick up
the omelet and put it back in his pan and
(17:04):
then stare away. And then they would keep talking about
emotional things that he would miss again and she would
get her in and pick it up and put it
in and move it away. But anyway, they simplify the
scene into sort of what it became.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
But fun to watch them all do that.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So fun. Well, So later on when they're back at
the Arconia and Eugene Levy sort of like channels Charles's rage,
can we talk about that a little bit too, because
I feel like we were sort of building towards that
moment for a lot of the episode.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, that was like Dan Fogelman going what's the surprising
way that his rage comes out?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
And what if it's silent?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And Steve of course nailed it and ran with that
and was fantastic at it, but also getting the scene
she can love get mad, which you don't get to
no very often either. You know, I think that he
was excited to play a version of himself, which is
a very different person than the character that he often plays.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
You know, you were kind of bumbling and sweet.
Speaker 10 (18:02):
I think it was nice for Steve to I mean,
you take it's he's the world's greatest physical comedian, and
to give him.
Speaker 9 (18:08):
Something where it's all physicality, no dialogue. It was it
was so much fun to write and watch.
Speaker 8 (18:18):
Yes, interesting, is this how I find out he's a mine?
Speaker 15 (18:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
We can't hear him, but I'm so tuned into his character.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I can feel his words.
Speaker 13 (18:26):
He's saying, these people killed, says I am steamed and
put out to some degree.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Oh the hell with this?
Speaker 14 (18:38):
Give me that?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
For me, the greatest joy of the show, Like one
of the greatest joys in the show is writing a
physical bit for Steve Martin into a script, and then
when he does it in real life, he you know,
or maybe you get a note and he's added onto it.
Like to have him take a physical bit that you
(19:01):
write and then like say yes, and it like.
Speaker 9 (19:04):
I'm like, that just happened. I just did that. That
just happened.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
That Yeah, that's really special. Riffing on your bit. I
love it.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Yeah, boy boy.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
In this episode, we learned that Zach Galfanakis really loves weddings.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Wedding is the most important part of a marriage.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Right, he gets married quarterly?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
You always that's a truth, right, Yeah, the marriage is
the easy part.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
It's the way it matters.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, we've been married what like eight times at this point.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah, where did that come from?
Speaker 11 (19:34):
Well?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I find renewals of vows to be ridiculous for all,
so much like my agenda that Spain is better than
Portugal that I've been able to get out there on Earth.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I do believe that the.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Grand renewals of vowels, like I think Seal and Heidi
Kloone famously show or perhaps not as effective at keeping
a marriage together as they would have hoped when they
once a year did like a half a million dollar
I think renewal of vows, you know that hundreds of
people had to go to every year.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Can you imagine if they were your friends?
Speaker 9 (20:06):
Oh my godulous.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
We just kind of loved that for.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Zach, and I think he is very happily married and familied,
and so that was kind of a nice bit of
him anyway, that he is this like very kind.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Of in love, happily done guy.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And I think he pee leaned so much into being
kind of a grumpy asshole version of Zach Elliphant at
this in this show. I think it was nice to
give him this like big romantic senta.
Speaker 11 (20:35):
We get married this weekend. I am please don't tell
me to do it at a courthouse. Weddings demand spectacle
music speeches AK forty seven shot right up in the air.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
Zach, I didn't realize you were a fellow.
Speaker 11 (20:47):
Romantic weddings are the most important part of a marriage.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
My wife and I get married quarterly.
Speaker 11 (20:53):
The venue sets the tone for your life together. When
we want playfulness, we get married at the beach. If
we've been fighting, then is at the sight of an
important armistice We all to Potsdam cam David.
Speaker 9 (21:05):
We needed a lot of those.
Speaker 10 (21:06):
Yeah, And I think all of her is I mean,
obviously he's so big or is he's so extra that
I mean to give Zach this this point of view
that's even bigger towards weddings. He wants to do things
grander than Oliver, just to land in this very sweet
place of you know what, I just want to get
married in the Arconia because that feels like home. But
(21:28):
maybe I'll take you up in the hot air balloons
another time.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I could, and that ends up being quite romantic. And
I love when Zach gives him a kiss and says
my little boloney lobe or something like that.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, yeah, he really went for that kiss too. Yeah.
There is no one more game than Zach eliphan Ax.
He really. He also was a great yess hander.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
I love that.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
But Loretta and I shall marry here in the Raconia.
This is where we fell in love, and I want
a marriage where we fall in love every day for
the rest of our very long lives.
Speaker 9 (22:05):
You adorable Bologney.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Loof, You beautiful bitchy boloney loof?
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Do you know what a bologny loaf is?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
After the break Charles's Hollywood apartment and the reveal of
the final.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Westie welcome back, in this episode, we see Charles's living
room as a set.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Complete with a Brass's poster with Eugene Levy instead of
Charles Hayden Savage.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
We had assumed the production team would just take advantage
of the real set, but production designer Patrick Howe set
us straight.
Speaker 15 (22:57):
Well, I don't know if it's a surprise or not,
but we created a second Charles Wow. You know it
was definitely conceived like of course you'll just be using
the real thing, but it was this is another like
deep dive into with a lot of the creatives, producers,
with John, they all went through of like round and
(23:20):
round about this. But I was trying to be It
was difficult to articulate, but I was trying to spearhead
like we can't reveal the actual set as the actual set,
just like we have a future. You know, it's going
to make a difference for season five, Like if you
now took you know whatever overhead, what's mccalloy camera that
(23:42):
can fly around and showed like the studio from the
grid and showed all the set, you know, we just
it would the suspension of disbelief for everybody. But you know,
it would just to all be out the window literally,
So I didn't want to. I wanted to convey the
movie set. But by showing as little as possible of
the real stage.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Well, you've convinced me.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Although the first edition touching the second.
Speaker 16 (24:05):
Edition, Yeah, yeah, how could my character live here?
Speaker 6 (24:11):
The album's not alphabetizz oh nice, nice a first edition
touching a second edition, Yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
That's really good because we thought that they were just
that that whole Charles's movie apartment would be the same place,
the same.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
This again is Kristin Newman and Jeeke Snizzle, the writers
of the Persei Ryan.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
That was the dream, Oh Ryan.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
We couldn't believe.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
There was a desire to like not ruin the kind
of magic, you know, and break the fourth wall completely
by showing our underwear, you know, which is that like
these apartments are on sets, you know, and so you know,
Johaffman in the end was like, let's let's protect the
baby a little bit. But we did have a lot
of like you know, that Oliver and Zach scene that happens,
(25:07):
like happened at first, like we wrote it as Oliver
just sitting like on the ground in the middle of
his completely empty apartment. You know, the walls are done,
everything's done, but it's just stripped and like just like
wandering around this place that is exactly his except empty,
and like people being able to walk through you know,
(25:28):
doors that don't go anywhere, and getting to you know,
getting to play.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
In those spaces was part.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Of it, and then it went away and that was
sad for us, but I think probably good for the
TV show.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
When you write these things like where you know you
have to do a fake Charles apartment or something like that,
are you imagining it being the set because of cost
reasons or what is it that? Is that what you're thinking?
Speaker 10 (25:53):
Yeah, you never want to have to build something new.
But you know, we had slight tweaks on it. Do
we imagine we use the set except instead of the
poster that says fresh hot vegetables in the corner, it
says mean cold meat. Just like it's just like a
bizarro twist. It was a little just a couple of
things that changed out.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Goshcha, Yeah, we did notice that. We did notice that picture. Yes, listeners,
did you notice the little bizarro tweaks to Charles's movie apartment?
Directors Sherry and Bob explained.
Speaker 12 (26:24):
We didn't want to like destroy the movie magic of
the real set. Yeah, so it sort of honors the set,
but it's different enough that it's not exactly the same.
But also the real set is like very enclosed. We
wanted to be able to pull out and see that
you're on a sound stage, which you couldn't do with
the real set.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
I love seeing Eugene and Steve together like this. The
scene with the omelet is particularly great. And also, like
you know, in an earlier episode, I don't know if
you saw with the eye patch also, So these moments
of those two together are just they make me very happy.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, I love them together.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
That was wonderful to watch those two. Kind of it's
when it kind of like starts edging the omelet edge
like that just kinds of happens when you put those
two you do this. You know, you just see kind
of these things evolved, and it's that's that's kind of
the magic sometimes when you when you have two people
like that who take it and then make magic with it.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You know, it's like, how do you create that like
that freedom? Like I mean it sounds like with schedules
and all this stuff, is that hard thing to do?
Speaker 6 (27:37):
Well, it is hard, but you know these people are
they're just kind of comedy geniuses, right, so they have
a radar for when something can be better and if
it kind of happens in the moment and they make
it better. You know, just everybody you can tell on
(27:58):
set if everybody's laughing, it's working.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
And I mean I think that John really creates a
very like loving, warm and open environment, a very accepting environment.
So I don't feel anxious. I don't think the actors
feel anxious. I think everybody feels like they can just
play and have fun and uh and.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
That really sort of sets the tone.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, definitely, we've been teased the reveal of the final
WESTI Helga by John Hoffmann. I think earlier it was
the blonde with the pig and the weird accent. We
did not know who Helga was. In fact, we had
some bad theories.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
We sure did well.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
We too didn't know who Helga was for quite some time.
We thought we were going to meet her in that
shack at the end of four with a gun. That
was that was gonna happen.
Speaker 9 (28:47):
That's not what happened. She always got kidnapped.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
She was missus dudanof for a while.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
Then she was she was one of the same with
Anna Sauce daughter. Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
They were the same person for a bit, was she
She was getting her back corrected at at the concussions
hirofractor for a while.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
He you guys, this is what we do. We just
make some tires, end up with a hot lots of sheen.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Also very fascinated by very hot people who have jobs
that you don't have to be hot for, Like just
like a very hot person working at a CBS and
you're like, you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Do this, especially in a city like New York or
Los Angeles, you know what I mean, Like I get
it a hot person in you know, Utah somewhere, but you.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Can just have a like kind of face and still
be a lawyer or a plumber or whatever like, but
like not in these cities where you can make so
much money off of your hot face. So that was
also part of my agenda items that I wanted really
to be talked about as a society.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
So you knew she was going to be hot. That
is like what you did, know.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I think when you start talking about Scandinavian people, that's
something away.
Speaker 17 (30:02):
They're told they're beautiful, and you know, I get start
every morning or this job with Kristen walking in and
letting us know as I had a roofer come over today,
and you would not believe this face.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
It's fascinating, right, It's like you can make so much
money in the city even as a bartender, Like you
don't have to be a model or an actor. You
can aspire to that, but still makes so much fun.
So when people just like make a minimum, Wait when
when when a hotness can can bring something else, I'm
just so interested in them.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yeah, that's well. So, I mean Rudy really monopolized on
his hotness with the Christmas video he did.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
He knew what he had and he worked with it.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, but it's so tiresome.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Right, So when you meet somebody who's like, I know,
I'm a hot but that's not what I go. That's
not how I'm gonna pay the bills.
Speaker 9 (30:45):
Passionate locks, not looks.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
That's right.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Jake Hassel comes with a lot of word play, a
lot of little like.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
A little quips like that. If you see that in
the show, something like that, that's usually a schnassle.
Speaker 10 (30:59):
Usually we have good people like Christine who are kinding
up to delete those before.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Also, Jake is really our Ham radio guy, so that
his secret, say I get from.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Another one of the writers was a Ham Radio Yeah.
Speaker 10 (31:14):
Well, I'm kind of get into the research on whatever
we're talking about for the day.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
So I'm sure I'm on nineteen government watchlists.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Wait, so you you have one and you just kind
of jump in and you just I.
Speaker 10 (31:27):
Can't jump in. That's illegal. I could get it. You
have to be licensed.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
See, this is the kind of stuff that he comes
into the room with and we're ribbon in and.
Speaker 9 (31:38):
It's like, that's amazing, Jake. I don't know how we're
going to put that in the show, but you.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Know, license we learned.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
There's call signs, there's a lot of chatter about weather
and kind of prepping.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
There are a lot of preppers. It's most preppers.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I would think.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Yeah, so you can have one, but you can't communicate
with people on it unless you have a license.
Speaker 10 (32:00):
Right now, I can listen, but I can't. I can't
myself take up space on the airwaves. But that a license,
but which I kind of would like to do. But
I also feel like my wife would leave me if
I ignored our daughters so that I could study for
my hand radio test.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
But just listening is creepy, right like, and not participating,
that's lurky.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Mag mag would be all on board for that.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I'm a lurker through and through. So that is actually
probably my the way that I would want to experience
a Ham Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, this entire storyline happened because Saz said in season.
Speaker 9 (32:39):
In season three, episode five, there had.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Been some shatter on the Ham Radio and John Hoffman's life.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Well we have that has to be most of the season.
Speaker 9 (32:49):
So that's happened.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Interesting. Yeah, we heard from Reddit that someone was expecting
to see John hamm, which I think would be great.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Did that get on tell there's John ham in the pants?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That was I did write that moment into episode two
so that we did have a John Hammer mentioned.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
Also, did you know Loretta's co star is the internet
famous for something called a John ham in the pants situation?
Speaker 7 (33:13):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I know when deep down that rabbit Hole and Rainy
Afternoon we.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Got to talk about the kind of the big reveal
in this Yeah we should uh, Dudo kills himself, kills himself.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, we learned what happened to Dud enough and that
the Westies are not murderous but good people.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
So what did you guys think?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Did you think that in the end it it was
still problematic that they burned their neighbor, or.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It was a moral quandary.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
Probably it all.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Back in terms of moral quandaries he asked them to
they wanted.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
This was his dying wish. They got their places. What
were they It is my question to you.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I think that, uh, this is why they'll probably never
choose me for jury duty because I think that they're right,
even though probably technically they're breaking the.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Law, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
But but I'm with Mabel. I say let them have
their rent control departments, you know. And this is what
dudinof wanted. So even though it's not technically legal, I
believe it is the morally right just thing to do.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
I agree, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
So people were incinerated.
Speaker 10 (34:28):
Don't break up this family, especially when it's when you're drumming,
is Richard Kai It can't be a crime.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, yeah, I mean obviously it was very hard for them.
It's not what they wanted to do. But he's already
he'd already taken it so far.
Speaker 18 (34:44):
So you know, when I'm gone this building, they're going
to slope in and you know, tear our cast apart.
Speaker 16 (34:55):
But I have a workaround, and and it's that you
will all keep me alive. Well, I mean, actually no,
because I've just taken a hell of a lot of pills.
I want you tonight to put my body in the incinerator.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Yes, yes, And.
Speaker 18 (35:21):
Then I want you to cash my social Security checks
and I want you to tell everybody I just moved
to Portugal.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
So now do you feel like the West Tower is done?
And we're now just back onto movieland as we did.
You know, the season certainly plays with is it somebody
from the movie?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Is it somebody from the West Tower? Where all the
different things happened, like the.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Shooting at the photo shoot, This was all kind of
carefully chosen about in terms of the secuitous route. So like,
how will these things tie to gather you guys, this
West Tower.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
We've got questions.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
We have bodies and a movie. How can this possibly happen?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I am not sure. I'm still parsing it out.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yeah, I don't suspect the Westies really anymore.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
But no, but he's still suspicious of Helga.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
He should feel Yeah, it just feels weird. I don't know, like.
Speaker 9 (36:13):
It's a weird actor suspicion.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
When they talk ever about the Ela Longoria nineteen and
one tool that was something that was important to us.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Please talk about that.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
I would love to know, does this tool exist at all?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
But shouldn't it?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I mean, my only concern obviously is that there is
both a nail gun and a vibratorumption and so.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
That is a terrifying think think about getting wrong.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, I don't want to vibrate your nail in the wall,
is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
That's obviously.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, uh huh, that's true.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
We had there was uh, you know, there's always gold
on the edit room floor because these episodes are often
very long the first time that you cut them together,
and then things have to be trimmed down, and a
lot of a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot
a lot of different Eva Longoria businesses that she had,
like Eva Longoria branded things were cut, even though as
(37:15):
you can see, there's very many of them still remaining.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, there was sort of a poppy field.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
In Afghanistan, I mean was there was a lot of
Eva Longoria tentacles making money in lots of different ways.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
And so, yeah, her nineteen and one tool made us happy.
Speaker 9 (37:31):
Yeah, I think the originally this entire script was it
was thirty pages of Eva Longoria's businesses and Tony Danza's
White Pants extrava Dance.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Oh yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Also, there was a whole version of episode eight that
was much much heavier on Tony Danza and his is
It Okay to Wear White?
Speaker 7 (37:51):
Party?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
It was already a lot of Tony dancers.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Is that what you mean, Maggie Or did you think
to yourself, why isn't.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
There more Tony dancer?
Speaker 9 (38:02):
Should?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I think that was my second thought. Actually, I first
thought was another Tony dancer, and then I was like,
wait a minute, there's not enough.
Speaker 9 (38:11):
I think we called Tony Hemza for about ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
The sauce the Who's the sauce? Basically once we came
upon Who's the Sauce?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Which I can't remember that it was Jake, but I
just to guess that it was that jj Philbin.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Once we get to Who's the Sauce?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
For like, we just like, we don't know anything else
about the episode, but we do know it's going to
have to come back to Who's the sauce?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
In some way. That was really our guiding light.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Did you ask Tony to come on the show because
that would have been great?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Not yet, but you know what I mean. We're working
on season five.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yeah, definitely, that's it for today. Thank you so much
for listening.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Back in a couple days to talk about the lifeboat
of it all with John Hoffman and the final member
of the Sauce family, Desmond Borjes, who plays Alfonso.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Please send your thoughts and theories to us at Only
Murders at strahtmedia dot com. Take a minute to subscribe,
read the show, follow us, and leave us a review
if you enjoy listening.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Only Murders in the Building podcast is a production of
stra Hot Media, hosted and produced by Ryan Tillotson and
Maggie Bowles. Associate producer is Stephen Markley. Original music by
Kyle Merritt and Only Murders in the Building the music
by Saddartha Kosla. Assistant editor is Daniel Ferreira. Production assistant
is Carolyn Mendoza.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Thanks to Kristin Newman, Jake schinezl Robert Bulcini, Sherry Springer Berman,
and Patrick Howe for talking with us this week.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
And a big, big thanks as always to John Hoffman
and the entire Hulu team.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
See you soon, Bye.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
No, we don't have a pig that would have been
really on brand.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Just like the picture of Heidi Klum dresses a worm
for Halloween. It's burned in my memory. I think about
it like frequently. I don't know if you've ever seen it,
but it's really alarming.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
It's really alarming. Yeah, it's worth area.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Is it a sexy worm?
Speaker 4 (40:26):
No, no, it's not sexy. Yeah, look it up, google it.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, I appreciate not girls don't do sexy Halloween costumes.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, she is the epitome of that what oh oh wow,
that is faun.
Speaker 9 (40:45):
I don't understand why you don't think this is a
sexy worm.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Would you still love me if I was a worm?
I think it's the origin, right, really.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Has wishiness to it, kind of a yeah, it's very PenTile.
Speaker 9 (40:59):
Yeah yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Like a trissant.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah yeah, it's really it's really horrifying. Anyways, so I'll
cut this whole thing out.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
No one will know how smart I am.
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