Let’s talk a bit more about the Season 4 finale, My Best Friend's Wedding.
We’ll hear more from Jin, Jane, John, and JJ. That's Jin Ha who plays Marshall P. Pope slash Rex Bailey, Jane Lynch who plays Sazz Pataki, Showrunner, Co-creator and co-writer of this episode John Hoffman, and JJ Philbin who co-wrote the episode with John. We'll also hear from Production Designer Patrick Howe.
We'll talk about the moment that Jin found out his role was more complex than he had initially imagined, the piece of Only Murders history that Jane Lynch took home, and of course... our new murder! In the building! Well... in the courtyard of the building.
Heads up, there are spoilers for episode ten. So listeners, if you haven't watched yet, stream it now and come right back!
Send us your thoughts and theories (in a voice memo!?): onlymurders@strawhutmedia.com
Or chat with fellow fans on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnlyMurdersHulu
We’ll hear more from Jin, Jane, John, and JJ. That's Jin Ha who plays Marshall P. Pope slash Rex Bailey, Jane Lynch who plays Sazz Pataki, Showrunner, Co-creator and co-writer of this episode John Hoffman, and JJ Philbin who co-wrote the episode with John. We'll also hear from Production Designer Patrick Howe.
We'll talk about the moment that Jin found out his role was more complex than he had initially imagined, the piece of Only Murders history that Jane Lynch took home, and of course... our new murder! In the building! Well... in the courtyard of the building.
Heads up, there are spoilers for episode ten. So listeners, if you haven't watched yet, stream it now and come right back!
Send us your thoughts and theories (in a voice memo!?): onlymurders@strawhutmedia.com
Or chat with fellow fans on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnlyMurdersHulu
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Strawt Media.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Do you remember the scene of her like in the
alley way behind the Arconia, putting garbage in the dumpster
and going who's that?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Who's that? We were really like we'd.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Lost the thread.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Hello, and welcome to the Only Murders in the Building Podcast.
I'm Ryan Tillotson and.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I'm Maggie Bowles, and we're looking behind the scenes and
mining for clues as we meet the cast and creators
of the Hulu original series Only Murders in the Building.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Today on the show, we're continuing our conversation about season four,
episode ten, the finale, My best Friend's Wedding.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We'll hear more from Jin, Jane, John and JJ. That's
Jin Ha who plays Marshall p Pope Slash Rex Bailey,
Jane Lynn, who plays Saspataki. Showrunner, co creator and co
writor of the episode, John Hoffmann, and JJ Philbin, who
co wrote the episode with John Well. Also here from
production designer Patrick how.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
We'll talk about the moment Jin found out his role
was a little more complex than he had initially thought,
the piece of Only Murder's history that Jane Lynch took home,
and of course our new Murder in the building well
in the courtyard of the Word Enough.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Long before he had auditioned for the role of Marshall
p Pope Jinha and his partner were both only Murders.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Fans, correct, correct big fans, big, big fans. So that's
why I knew from the beginning when I found out
about Marshall and Rex. We both decided early on, and
I had to just pretend from the very beginning, being like, Hey,
(01:49):
if I find out anything, you know, as I'm reading
scripts for about that, what do you want to know?
She's like, don't tell me anything. I just I was
like to know, and then I was like, Okay, that's
good luck to me for the next you know, I
was trying to protect It was all like I mean,
I just we're diving in out. But I was like,
it was already like having to come up with reasons
(02:10):
why I'm still working towards the end of the season,
and in my mind, I was like, right, going back
to season two when they had the Murder Mystery party
and everyone was gathered for the reveal, I was like,
maybe I can pretend like it's something like that where
it's like, oh, you know, it's just a bunch of
us are all there, and like it's a lot of
coverage of like looks and expressions and so like, you know,
(02:31):
we're just standing around all day, even though it's you know,
one of the later episodes, like all these tiny, little
intricate ways that I'm like, how do I preserve the magic?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
So how early on in the process did you find
out that you were the killer?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
It was not until I flew out to LA to shoot,
so I had I had prepped questions about Marshall. I
was like, Oh, he's a playwright. Great. I have playwright friends,
I have screenwriter friends. I'm going to talk to them.
I'm going to get it. I'm gonna buy these writing books.
I'm going to really get the character for what a
Hollywood screenwriter's life would be like who's you know, just
(03:07):
trying to get a project picked up. And I had
a meeting scheduled with John Hoffman, I think a day
or two before our first day of shooting in La.
It was like the big mansion scene of the Hollywood Hills,
and I had a you know, thinking like, oh, this
will be a good way for me to ask about
Marshall's overall arc like you know, what kind of tone
(03:29):
or style or energy do we want him to inhabit
within this extraordinary, extraordinarily colorful cast. Maybe had a little
bit of small talk. I don't even remember all of it,
but I remember sitting down in one of his offices
out there, and he sat down, and then Ben Smith
and Kristin Newman happened to be walking by or something,
(03:53):
and John was like, oh, come on in, and either
Ben or Kristen looked at John and was like, have
you told him yet? I was in my mind just
thinking the first thing. I was like, Oh, it's been
a good run, like they've still found somebody else, and
you know what, I'm happy, happy to have been here.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
And this rejection, you're just actors are just ready for rejection.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
But there are the craziest stories out there that exist
stranger than fiction. So I was like that's possible, yeah,
or obviously, like whatever else it might be, I was like,
there's no no inkling in my mind that I was
like this is where this is going, because obviously in
the audition there was nothing mentioned at all. It's just
like all this nervous guy who really loves nine to five,
like that's his favorite movie and that was in like
(04:38):
a breakdown somewhere, and yeah, and then he sat down
and then he I don't even remember the word I
might you think he might have said something like just
point blank, like so you're the killer, and it uh,
you know, like white void in my mind.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
But suddenly my heart is racing, and I think I
said some something like, oh, well, all of the questions
I prepared don't matter anymore. And then it was just,
you know, obviously like the next thirty minutes to forty
five minutes just being like receiving information that I think
in my my notebook that I had brought some random
(05:17):
things I had scribbled, was like Marshall is not my name,
and like without fully because they were still writing the
scripts I think seven eight, nine ten as we were shooting,
and I just got like large brushstrokes of the idea.
But I think even they were still hashing out like
the details of how the murder happened and exactly, you know,
(05:39):
like what are all the elements? And it was shocking,
to say the least. And then obviously from then on,
like holy shit, what an unbelievable journey. You know, on
top of that, did you know I didn't know this
that some folks on set, including Selena, don't want to know.
Speaker 7 (05:58):
Really we didn't know about Selena. Yeah, Selena. Selena apparently
as even though she's an EP as much as she can,
as long, for as long as she can, she likes
to not know and until she reads a script that
comes out and then it reveals it. But I remember
hearing from maybe it's from her assistant Ali, mentioning that
(06:20):
like she had read whichever script was sort of comes
up and she was like, I still like right before
maybe episode eight or something, She's like, I'm still not
sure like who it is.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
And everybody around hers like, yeah, yeah, totally. So in
that way, I was. I was, really it was kind
of beautiful. It was a beautiful not symbiosis, but like
it worked out well that even on set, I had
to be careful in speaking to people. I didn't want
to reveal too much. Actually, you know what it was
Michael too. Michael so Creighton also was trying not to
(06:52):
know for as long as possible, because the first thing
I said when I met him, you know, we had
met once long ago in like a little Nework Theory
workshop presentation, but the first time we saw each other
on set. He was like, don't tell me anything. It's
like just so you know, I don't want to know anything.
And I was like, okay, it nice to see you.
(07:13):
And so it was. It kind of worked out beautifully
that I had to maintain that secret on set while
I'm also maintaining that secret at home because my character
had to do that anyway, twenty four to seven. So
it was it, it was, It was nice. It was
(07:33):
a nice coin.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
It helped, it helped the performance, maybe one would help yeah, yeah,
but one would hope it helped my mentals, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
of course he does.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
He's got like layers and layers of secrets.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Also, my my YouTube algorithm is fucked.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Oh because yeah, well, first you look up all this
uh writing stuff, I'm sure, and then you start looking
into the stunt world.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
I don't know, Yes, stunt world a lot of stunt stuff,
like interviews of stunt people. I was actually listening to
this incredible stunt podcast.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Is it the Daniel Radcliffe one?
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yes, it's I first saw the documentary The Boy Who
Lived Hunting and yes, cunning stunts, cunning, cutting stunts, that's it,
cutting stunts.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
This is that podcast that writer Medal and George told
us about back in episode four, Cunning Stunts, hosted by
David Holmes. David Holmes with Daniel Radcliffe, stunt double in
the Harry Potter movies until he was seriously injured while filming.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Yes, it's a brilliant podcast and he gets incredible stunt
people on there, and yeah, that was a huge That
was a huge shoe in for me, or like shoehorn
for me to get in there. And then on top
of that, like gun stuff on your.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Well, you looked good holding a gun.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, let's let's talk about that scene in the finale,
which is like so good. There's like parkour, you know,
there's like gun stuff, there's Eva Longoria's nineteen and one
multi tool.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
You do quite a few accents as well with your
very impressive It amazing.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I kept that in, Okay, I wasn't sure if they
would keep that in. I mean, it was, it was,
It was a joy. And I mean everything that you
just mentioned is like five different things that I've always
wanted to do specifically on screen, and I never thought
(09:29):
that this one role would allow me to do all
of those things and in such a fabulously exciting way.
It was really fun. All of those elements that you
just described almost had nothing to do with each other.
It just happened to be in the needs and the
(09:50):
the goals that we were trying to achieve with that
final that final big scene for Marshall for Rex. But
all of it was like as TV world is like
kind of last minute, you know what I mean. Like
I had one session with our the gun experts who
brought in the specific rifles that can unscrew and screw,
and there was like, you know, like ten fifteen minutes
(10:12):
before around to be like, hey, this is how it works.
Like welist to try it out a couple of times.
But that's the beautiful thrill of you know, TV work
especially is it's kind of demands an instant expert mindset.
It is something I've gotten in grad school from a
brilliant professor, Jim Calder of Mine, about like, no matter
what the assumption is, just know exactly what you're just
(10:33):
pretend you know exactly what you're doing, and then go
on from there, skip over all the steps where it's
like I've never done this before. I've never had to
screw a rifle together. And then like you know what
I'm saying, Like, sure, but I've watched a bunch of
YouTube videos. I have been to the Range a couple
of times.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Okay, I mean this is how Rex and Marshall did
it too, So until you make it.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Right truly, I mean that's right, that's right. I was
just so into character. I was just living and breathing
this philosophy.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
Well.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Actually, coincidentally, the reason I've been to the Range last
time was because of my small role in Civil War,
the film where I played a sniper in that, you know,
one tiny scene, and my friend Carl Glessman and I
we in preparation for that. We were like, oh, that's
fun to range in La and and just and then
we also had a consultation with a military expert. Raymond
(11:26):
was out there and all of that. Somehow, you know,
it's like slum Dog Millionaire works, Like.
Speaker 9 (11:31):
All of these tiny things are coming in to be like, yes,
this is the moment where I get to use this expertise,
or like, you know, my research that I've done the
Parker I mean, who the hell?
Speaker 5 (11:42):
I just love I love Parkour personally, and have I
been jumping around cities all over you know, since my
teenage should be yelling parkour. Yeah, absolutely, I've been doing that,
and then to suddenly be able to seriously do parkour,
I'm like.
Speaker 10 (12:00):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
It was such a throw. Obviously, I was like, I
understand that I'm thirty four now, and I'm like, I
don't want to get hurt, and my knees and ankles
are not what they used to be in my mid twenties.
But we had an incredible stunt team. I mean the
stunt episode at the Bar is testament to that is
phenomenal team, and Swow the stunt double was incredibly helpful
(12:23):
with like here's how you make it look cooler, or
like here's how to do this safely. But it was awesome,
you know. I was like, and a lot of it
was collaboration of like, hey, I think I can jump
over this bed and then like obviously in my mind
I was like I'm not sure if I can, but
I was like, I think I can. I'll try it.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I did it once or twice, and then like one
time I didn't jump hard enough and I like my
foot landed and then gave out and I kind of
landed on my butt a little bit and everyone around
me was like, oh my god, are you okay? And
people were like hey, like you know, I could tell
people in spaces were like he's doing too much like this,
you need this, like he's gonna get hurt, like really.
(13:03):
But then Jamie, Jamie Badan, our director, came up and
she was like, look obviously, like you know, I trust you,
like if you want to do it or not, but
just so you know it looks really.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Cool, that's all you need. That's all you So I.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Was like, thank you, Jamie, that's all I need to hear,
like I did slip. I know people are worried, but
I'm actually pretty confident I can do this and if
it looks cool, it's all that matter. So then we're
able to do it a bunch more times and it was.
It was Nobody got hurt, but it was so exciting.
It was so fun to to really collaborate in that way.
(13:35):
And the fucking dialects I was, I don't know if
I can curs, but the dialects were justin that was
just my own like being spilly of like, well, he's
written to try to you know, like a classic through
the door, like well, somebody's not here right now, you
know what I mean? And I was like, okay, well
what would what would Rex? What would Marshall think to do?
(13:57):
And I was like, well, there are a bunch of
people in this room, right, So then I thought we
distinguished them and continue to tell the point that it's
like not just me holding Mapel hostage. I can't believe
they kept that in there, genuine. I was like, there's
no way, but I was like, I'll try it.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
It was hilarious and they were great, Yeah, very good accents,
very impressed, classically trains right.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Hell, it's friendly neighbors, Rudy and Vans.
Speaker 11 (14:27):
We want to borrow some sugar.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
You know what friendly neighbors do. Uh, Mabel's nine. Mabel's
not here right now. Maybe I want to come back later.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
We're making sugar chicken, and it's we've never done it before.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
We're trying to figure out anything that might work. Do
you have any corn on the cob or or off
the cob? How about one of those little pickles where the.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Girkins or corner shots corner shot shot.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Load if we were kind of busy, I know, I
whther it's whatever you have, it's really what we're looking for.
Speaker 10 (15:00):
God You're here.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
After the break. Jane Lynch's favorite details in SAS's apartment
and the artistry that went into Marshall's fake Beard.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Welcome Back. One thing that was very exciting for me
to see this episode was Sas inside of her apartment.
I don't know why. I guess maybe just because we'd
glimpsed it early in the season, but we hadn't seen
her actually in it, and that felt really special. This
is Patrick Howe, production designer.
Speaker 8 (15:41):
The interesting challenge was that while we know Sas well
in terms of a character that's been consistently on and
all for seasons, or all three seasons up to this point,
is we've never seen her at home. We've only seen
her at the Arconia or locations. So the only bit
(16:02):
of information you have about Saz is just her personality
she reflects in all of her rather witty dialogue to Charles.
So I remember that John wanted it, wanted to reflect
her personality but also have quite a bit of air
of mystery about it. So I was able to come
up with a sort of olive green color to paint
(16:24):
the walls, and it broke my heart to sort of
forfeit opportunities for wallpaper. I worked them in in a
few places of some wallpaper patterns where it was plausible
within that style of apartment. But the main living room
they were going to see what was going to be.
But so I was able to create a palette that
was kind of dark in color in value. So we
(16:47):
got that going. And then and then things about her
personality we were reflecting in the kind of decor. I mean,
John had written the specific thing about displaying pictures of
her broken bones, and so we circled around about the
ways to do that, and like, is this the actual
(17:08):
X rays? Is it a print of an X ray?
Is it a photo? You know? So we finally landed
on prints of X rays.
Speaker 12 (17:15):
Is fine?
Speaker 8 (17:16):
And then we got sort of fancier with it, and
it was and I think I met with Kyle a
little bit our DP, and of course he would be
drawn more to sort of the light box, you know.
So we wound up with that displaying them on an
X ray box. So we bought a Ventaje X ray,
Mila found an vnta J X ray box, and and
(17:37):
then that became the signature piece of the room.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Is there any special secret thing hidden in Saz's apartment
that you know, we just didn't see.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Probably several dozen things there was never a time to see.
But I wanted to make a tribute to the hats
that we always see her and Charles in. So so
it'd done a real fun Tibolt that had done some
famous series. Some were of cakes, cakes and little pedestals.
So I just riffed on that of like hats on
(18:07):
hat stands, and so there was little paintings of that.
We came up with a caricature of Sas and Charles
together that you know, and one of our scenic cards
drew that is.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That the one that Jane Lynch told us about she
When we spoke to Jane Lynch, she said that John
had gifted her a line drawing of Sas and Charles together.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
I have it.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I have it.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Let's see it.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
I should have put it up.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I usually have it up.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
WHOA, that's great.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I love that's amazing.
Speaker 12 (18:42):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I love it so much. That's fantastic.
Speaker 8 (18:50):
So that's where the hell. So that's where that went.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Of Jane Lynch.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
I guess it can stop looking for that now in
our in our inventory. Yeah, both she and Steve Martin
really liked that. Yeah, so that would be that one.
It's it's really great. That's so character of them. So
we tried to film it up, fill it up with
a lot of stunt person related things and motifs that,
(19:21):
you know, maybe anyone living in Los Angeles decore wise
might gravitate towards certain styles and that stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
And is there anything else from that apartment that you
remember seeing and thinking like this is some great detail
or like I love this information. I love the the
X ray lights. Yes, yes, it's.
Speaker 11 (19:42):
You know, it's like a light fixture of the room
and these fluorescent lights go up showing her X rays
of all of her injuries and her artificial joints that
she had put in from Bulgaria, top of the line,
so she had that up there.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
Yeah, lots horses and cowboys stuff. And you guys are
from LA, you'll you'll appreciate this. It looks very much
like one of those apartments that are they're kind of big,
and they're in courtyard buildings you know we have in LA.
Some of them are small, but the ones on the
first floor are always Yeah, the first level are always
kind of big, and they have the steps up to
(20:21):
the dining room and it's kind of the Spanish architecture,
and boy did they And it's probably in Hollywood somewhere
and totally you know, like around Wilcox or Willcox and
Fountain or something.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, so iconic.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Oh I've seen those apartments.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, but the actual apartment was on the sound stage
right like the indoor yeah yeah, okay, okay, cool, yeah, yeah,
but the exterior they shot in La.
Speaker 11 (20:45):
Yeah, and it was an apartment that those of us
in La recognize and go, oh, I know exactly where
where they right exactly. She's probably had it since nineteen eighty,
you know.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Exactly, she's still paying sixty five dollars a month or somebody.
Speaker 11 (20:57):
It's probably right control, yeah, yeah, but the neighborhood is
probably a little sketchy now, yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Probably. And so then we have to talk about your
last scene with Charles, which is also just like was
as John called it, the kicker at the end, and
it was it's like, you know, get a little teary
eyed seen when he has to move to the writer's chair.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Sorry, you're missing all this.
Speaker 11 (21:24):
Yeah, it would have been nice.
Speaker 10 (21:29):
I think this is your chair.
Speaker 11 (21:32):
Well, thank you, my friend. Actually I missed that guy.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
He did good.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I know this is just me telling myself I did good,
but I'll take the compliment.
Speaker 11 (21:54):
Like at this point, he knows everything she's done for him,
and he now has done, you know, a lot for
her and her legacy, and and.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
It's yeah, it's kind of beautiful.
Speaker 11 (22:07):
And also at that moment too, you get this sense
that it's the last scene between the two of them.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You know that she's going to.
Speaker 11 (22:13):
Move on to the great trampoline uh park in the sky,
and that he's he's he's going to carry on without her.
I love it in the beginning of the season where
he were sitting on the edge of the bed and
he says, you are my very best friend. How am
I going to get along without you? How am I
going to live without you? So that that kind of
echoed that. But I love that when I sat in
(22:35):
that chair, Saz was not uncomfortable, was not very comfortable
in that chair.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
She wanted to sit on her apple box.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
That's where she's used to sitting.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, and the little and the little hat hat office. Yeah,
oh yeah too. And also there there is one more
there's one more scene that I think is really special
in this episode, which is when Sas gets shot or
and she's with her dying breath, She's like, my number
one's going to get you, you know what I mean.
(23:06):
I'm sorry I didne this way.
Speaker 10 (23:08):
I just.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I need this.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Where's the script, the one with your name on it?
Speaker 10 (23:17):
He's gonna get you? Who?
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Who will?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Why?
Speaker 8 (23:26):
No? What?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Tap in?
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Tap in? I just think that's that's so special. How
is it to die on camera? How often do you get?
How often do you get to die on camera?
Speaker 11 (23:44):
I think I died in a movie called Collateral Damage,
like in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I remember Collateral Damage.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
Yeah, I was had my neck broken in the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Oh god, by a really little woman too.
Speaker 11 (23:56):
I don't know how she did it, but it was
it was yeah, it was you know, it was fun.
I got to use my imagination. What would it feel
like to have, you know, the blood going down your throat?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
It was.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
It was fun.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
I would be nervous about, like I feel like that's
often the scenes that are made fun of, you know, like,
oh you overperform it or something, you know, yeah, you
overdo it.
Speaker 11 (24:22):
Yeah, that would be it's true, but we're in a
world of We're in a kind of a world of weird,
so anything you do it can be looked at as
genius even if it's weird.
Speaker 10 (24:35):
True.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, I feel like on Only Murders specifically, like everything
is like a little bit amplified. Like there's if there's
a serious moment, it's always going to come with some comedy.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Looking back now that we've seen like how the how
sas the story ends, how do you how do you
feel about the show looking back on it as a whole.
Speaker 11 (24:57):
Oh well, I feel, you know, like I'm really blessed
and really lucky to be a part of it. It's
a really unique show for all those reasons you've just said.
It's touching and then it's funny, And all of this
has to do with John Hoffman and Steve Martin and
Martin Short and Selena that kind.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Of group there. They figured out this.
Speaker 11 (25:20):
Dynamic and I'll bet it was probably kind of there
to begin with, you know, but they really leaned into it,
and John and the writers really leaned into it. And
so it's each season is so inventive, but they've done
something that that I think is so important in television
that people trying to be outside the box and make
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things crazy never do. But there is a if it's
going to be television. The familiarity with places. And when
I was studying theater, they called the unity of place.
So you've got Charles's apartment is basically kind of the
constant and it's beautiful to be in flects him so well, uh,
(26:02):
anything can be done there. The murder board is there,
they meet there. Uh, I was killed there. It's kind
of the place. It's kind of like the bar at Cheers.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
It's uh, you.
Speaker 11 (26:14):
Know, Monica and Rachel's apartment and friends. It's kind of
an important thing because it's the place that you keep
going back to, like the office and the office, and
even though that's basically where everything happened, but they they
really understand that that apartment is a character in the show,
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as well as the building and where it is in
New York. But for the most part, it's it says
everything for this world, that apartment. And we like going
back to familiar places where everybody knows your name.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
That kind of a thing, right, Yeah, And we even
get like the uncanny second Charles's apartment, this season, you know,
the right exactly.
Speaker 11 (26:55):
That the the real imagination for you know, a movie
of something that exists on television.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
It's so great.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, it's so funny.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
Yeah, it was a joy to be a part of
this group. And you know, John Kaufman is one of
the greatest guys. I mean, he's so talented, and he's
so kind and so nice, and so Steve and Marty
and so you know, that's the head of this This
television's fish and it's you know, it stinks from the
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head down.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
It smells head down.
Speaker 11 (27:30):
So yeah, it's it was a joy to be a
part of it. And so many people you know, have
been on it and continue to be on it. I mean,
this season is just a cavalcade of some of some
of the funniest, most unique people.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
So yeah, it's great.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I'm glad to be a part of it.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Well you're such a huge part of it.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
So yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Appreciate this movie in a whole different way.
Speaker 12 (27:57):
Now, I mean, Saz wrote this.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Oh, do you have any any favorite moments from the
whole season, favorite memories or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Oh, boy, I don't think it's so hard to pinpoint
a favorite.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
This is Jinha again.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
It was just unbelievable gathering of heroes and stars and
brilliant minds, and I felt overwhelmed to suddenly find myself
there as in like many times I have throughout my jobs,
(28:36):
and really lucky to be there. I feel really really
grateful to I have gotten a chance to play this fun,
exciting role and with such incredible people.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Was it hard wearing that beard? Oh you did have
some really great I thank.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
You so much. You know my beard was real for
most of it? Yeah, yeah, because I had Funnily enough,
they had you know, that character had the fake beard,
I guess from the beginning, from its conception, and then coincidentally,
it's true a lot of these Asian men can't grow
full beards for whatever reason, but I can. So she
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kind of worked out. I showed up yeah with a beard,
and I was like, okay, like this works. I remember
like maybe I mentioned this somewhere else, but like Marty
came up to me and was the first day and
he was like, this is a fake beard, and I
was like, oh no, this this is real. This is
my beard. And it was just for that episode where
we had to see it falling apart that it was maneuvering,
and then actually, no kudos to Ariel the makeup designer,
(29:43):
towards the later half where we needed to jump back
and forth between Rex and Marshall. Yeah, I've never seen
this technique before. I know it exists elsewhere, but he
gets hairs mixed with human hair or whatever other types
of hair that's good for beards, and then applies like
glue on my face and then would like she's a
(30:05):
god building a beard on someone's face. She's like slowly
with like the follicle's face, you know, the heads of
the follicles touching my face to like literally touch on
and build a beard on my face, and then she
like shaves it into the shape. So we had to
do that a couple of times towards the latter episodes.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
And is that a long process?
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Yeah, like maybe an hour and a half two hours.
It usually probably would take longer, but she's so good
at it. But that was incredible because the beard functions
and felt like a beard, so I was able to talk.
I totally forgot. I forgot because it was so real
that I was like, oh, yeah, it was just my beard.
It was not, but it moves because like if the
fake beards are like you know, it's a strip like
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an attach that you put on. But I couldn't really
smile like it was, couldn't move my face too much.
But with this fake one that Ariel made, because literally
each follicle was attached by glue, I could I could smile,
I could whatever with my face without any hindrance. And yeah,
that that was That was also a thing. You know,
(31:08):
I got to do prosthetics, Like how cool this is
my step towards the penguin, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So they have to remake the beard every time, or
you take it off and you reapply Wow.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
You No, it would be like top of the day
and then throughout the day be like, oh we need
to like make this part a little bit denser again.
Or but it was pretty incredible. How how well it lasted?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
That's wild?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, so much, so much modern technology.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
In this scene. No, it's true. Yeah, it was really
really cool. Which actually, you know what's funn is I
think it's so appropriate because this whole season was about Hollywood,
so that we got to like employ all of these
different techniques and uses like how meta.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Seriously always that's.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
True, that's a good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, and I love that.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I love that fact.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
After the break, Loretta and Oliver's wedding and a brand
new murder in the building, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
In this episode, we have an Rconian wedding and you
might not have noticed, but there were quite a few
familiar faces among the guests. We spotted none other than
John Hoffman at the center officiating the wedding.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
We also saw Ben Smith, Alex Bigelow, Madeline, George and JJ.
We are sure there are even more that we missed.
We asked John Hoffman and JJ Filman to tell us
about the.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Wedding so exciting first of all, to see a wedding
in the courtyard of the Arconia. It looked beautiful. There
were a lot of special cameos. And how about our
efficient right here? Efficient lighten up the front row. Can
you tell us about like the culmination of of Oliver
(33:03):
and Loretta's love story. By the way, also, thank you
for not killing Loretta. I feel like you were You
guys were teasing it all episode long. That's very I
would have been very this would have been a different
conversation if she had been The next murder let me
tell you.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Oh gosh, I know the wedding was our Like we
felt like this was our dream to watch those two
get married, like it was it. You know.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
We we were like what are the ramifications of this?
Like what does that mean? Like what what does that
mean going forward? But ultimately we were like, we just
want to watch them get married because they're.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
So perfect together and so in love, and just the
idea of it made us so happy.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
And it just felt like.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
The happiest ending we could think of for the season.
After you know, Charles had been you know, mourning his
friend and this this it'd been like a like a
these characters had been through so much and just to
relax into this purely joyful event was it was for us.
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It was just like the treat of all treats to
bring all those characters together. I mean, just little things
like Winnie and the stroller, Like I was delighted about.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
To see the Suns again.
Speaker 10 (34:25):
That was a big deal. We needed them back. And Ryan,
I mean everybody. I mean Jeremy Seamus, who who plays
Dicky is a great New York actor and lives in
New York. But Ryan Broussard was doing a TV show
in Vancouver, and I just we God love them both
because I was like, although there's a nice lore, like
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will do you walk Meryl Streep down the aisle, we
won't have a lot of lines, but you know it's
a big moment. So he found his way there, and
that these are the little things that could go one
way the other when you're in production and sort of like,
we may not get him, and I'm like, oh, that's
going to sting if we don't have both those boys
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on either arm. So it was brilliant that they could
make it. And then I think the thing JJ's saying,
which is so right, that joyful thing and all of that,
But what felt really right to me is what you
guys were saying, which is we knew that the audience
was going to be thinking like and we put it
(35:29):
in the mouth of Charles and Oliver like throughout the
whole episode. So there is a tension to it as well.
So I think I talked to a journalist a couple
of days ago who had seen the finale and and
she said, I watched that wedding sweating. I was like,
it was beautiful, but I was also like, oh my god,
what is it? Going to happen. How is she going
to die? How is she going to I was like,
(35:50):
oh my god, I'm not going to promise that we're
not going to kill Meryl Street, but I also like
keeping that option out open.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
And in the script they were like, we had really
gone a lot farther with that story, and I think
we cut those beats, you know, for production reasons, and
that it was so unwieldy the episode.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
We just had so many things we wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
But do you remember the scene of her like in
the alleyway behind the Arconia putting garbage in the dumpster
and going who's that?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Who's that?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
We were really like we'd lost.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
The thread, but we were just having fun with playing
with the audience, who, you know, at this point knows
what you know the end of every season, what's coming,
and we're all so emotionally wrapped up in Loretta and
Oliver and it just I don't know, it was we
had fun with it. At the end of the day,
I think the balance of it is just right.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
You know. We did a location Gosh mapped out to
do that scene and they were like, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
This is.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Footsteps behind her in an alleyway or something.
Speaker 10 (36:56):
Threat like, oh my god, we're going to tee it
up even further, but all is her not appearing at
the end of that aisle, And then Jackie Hoffman letting
out a good scream over a roach.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Yeah, okay, where she she's coming? Yeah, any second another
something has.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Happened where.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Sorry I thought I saw a roach.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
I still have no idea who is watching them, And
we have a new murder and they feel connected and
that is correct, and I don't know what you can
tell us.
Speaker 10 (37:37):
No, there's nice controversy in the writer's room about all
this too, which I will only intimate that not go
further and not give anyone up. No, but this show
right from the beginning, I made a sort of perfect
negotiation in my own head that from learning one season
(37:58):
at least of writing a murder story story over ten episodes,
that loose ends and things that aren't explained fully are
always a part of any story you're telling, So using
and collecting up those things and then putting a focus
(38:18):
on them. And I know I've spoken about this in
the press, so it got glommed onto by a lot
of people who love the show and our fans and
everything and are looking for things like this. Certainly, the
idea of Saz doing research for a film, going over
to that West Tower through her hand radio, connecting to Helga,
(38:40):
understanding about the duden Off conspiracy that Helga was wrapped
up in and shared with Saz, understanding what the whole
dudent Off mystery over there was, found its way into
Saz's script. As Marshall refers to as he's setting up
to shoot Saz, he said, she had put this whole
(39:01):
plot line in her script, and it was he dumped it.
He dumped it out of there. But that's how he
knew about the dudent Off apartment. That's how he knew
about the code and everything else, because she had laid
it all out as a part of that script. Because
there were plot holes, there were things that didn't make sense.
So she was saying in her first version of the script,
(39:22):
this is what happened. Someone put a sign up on
Jan's door. Someone poisoned Winnie. Someone did so, and Helga
and everyone else might have intimated that someone could have
done that, may have done that, but no one, yes,
you're right, has admitted to that yet. So that does
remain a loose end at the end of season four.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I'm wondering if there's anything throughout the season that we
didn't pick up on. Like I know that we never
asked about John McEnroe in episode five, and that's like
a funny little cameo. Somebody pointed out a bunch of
Billy Joel in episode seven that we never asked are
their little Easter eggs and things like around the season
that you're like that were your favorites or that stuck
(40:06):
out or that people have asked you the most about.
Speaker 10 (40:09):
This was the most easter egg and extra season. I
feel like it everyone just jumping in to sort of
dimensionalize everything, as I say, from our prop department to
our writers, to the opportunity to reflect in the way
(40:30):
that our characters are doing about themselves through the Doppelgangers,
through the movie, someone's writing about them through all of
that stuff, but also as writers to sort of look
at this world that was created and sort of like
to play off of all of that. You know, I
went to school on Long Island. I have a lot
(40:50):
of relatives out there, so playing off of things like
that were set up in season one that Charles has
a sister that has daughters with d names, you know,
being able to like it's all that stuff that feels like, oh, well,
what have we set up that we could go with
and explode? And then you know everything the dolls and
(41:13):
Merrill's doll. I mean, these are all of the things
I loved throughout the season. But yes, Billy Joel in
that doorbell when we say these things, and you must
know it's like that you you put that in a
script and then it becomes a whole thing of legality
and can we cligar that?
Speaker 8 (41:31):
Can we do that?
Speaker 10 (41:32):
Will Billy Joel be upset? You know, all these things
and it's months before you find out whether that doorbell
is going to sound like that or not.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Is Billy Joel okay with it?
Speaker 10 (41:43):
Yeah? I don't know what thinks of that.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I know he hasn't made in yet.
Speaker 10 (41:48):
It's Billy Joel.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Where's Billy Joel on this?
Speaker 4 (41:52):
But it is true.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
It's this lore that accumulates over the course of these
seasons that you find yourself. We've been doing that lot,
just in writing this next season, going back to scenes
from seasons past and learning little things that suddenly become
really useful and maybe they didn't have that much import
(42:14):
at the time. But it's amazing how they carry all
this potential with them, like it's a clue in there.
There could be something we could extrapolate off of that.
I mean, I remember that happening. Saz had that line
in season three about people chatting over the Ham radio.
(42:34):
Maybe it was Charles and how that, you know, spun
into a whole thing in season four that we used
over about the Ham Radio and it's great. It's like
there's this little box of clues that's just sitting there
waiting for you, that lives in the show in a way.
Speaker 10 (42:54):
It's what, like this really gonna sound? So this sounds
like a made up line? I really mean it.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
You're in a safe space, no.
Speaker 10 (43:02):
Writing a murder like what I've learned writing a murder mystery,
because I've never really had done this, and I'm not
sure many in the room in our writer's room had
because this is a great comedy room as well. But
like writing real murder mystery now that we're heading towards
a fifth season of it, you in season four particularly,
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it felt like in order to do that, you have
to be a much better investigator then, So it was
really sort of like that process is the same thing
that was going on while creating all this stuff. You're
pulling from the clues you've given yourself in previous seasons.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
I get it makes sense.
Speaker 10 (43:44):
I want to hire you to find my husband. It's urgent.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Well, we're not a detective for my husband.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Is Nikki Kacimilio?
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Who was?
Speaker 1 (43:53):
If you believe the.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
News I pay very well. We only investigate murders in
the building right there in our name.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
What happened to Nikki has everything to do with this building.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
To close out this conversation, you tee us up for
the new murder, which is our beloved luster or the
door guy. Oh and perhaps the trio becoming sort of
private investigators for hire. What can you tell? What can
you tell listeners for next season about? I don't know
what can you say?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Tell you?
Speaker 10 (44:28):
That's all?
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, I'm scared.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Is it to say something spoilery?
Speaker 4 (44:34):
John johnsapro JJ did it?
Speaker 8 (44:40):
No?
Speaker 4 (44:41):
What can we say?
Speaker 10 (44:42):
Okay? So I am excited, very very excited for season
five because it's always that dance of you know, we
like to go into new territory, but we like to
stay true to the show. We want to sort of
use the building and it's people and it's lore in
new ways that feel connected to New York and history
(45:07):
and our trios stories, how do we progress them? And
this season feels very tied into both of those things
already in a way that feels very the show. And
why I say that is because the show has always
been classic meets modern, right, two classic comedians meets the
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most modern of young women in New York City, which
is always going back and forth between the classic and
the modern. And here we have at the center of
our murder mystery a beloved doorman and a particular symbol
of New York history and propriety and respect, and he's
(45:53):
been potentially very disrespected. That buttressed up against and I
cannot stop using the word, but I've said it so
many times. People are going to throw a stapler at
me one more time, But that buttressed up against this
very what is New York today, and in some way
(46:17):
for next season, what I'm really excited about is, like
we've never done before, We're looking at New York of
right now in the headlines literally as we speak, and
diving in that direction in a way that feels very exciting.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Well, we're very excited.
Speaker 10 (46:36):
Did I do that right? Did I see you that?
Speaker 4 (46:38):
It feels great?
Speaker 3 (46:39):
That was beautifully they're palpitating. You made them excited. Now
we really have to deliver their hearts.
Speaker 10 (46:46):
Their hearts are so botressed up against.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
There's maximum butcher sing happening.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Thank you both so much for talking to us, and
it's time and we're so excited and we really really
appreciate both of you and all of your hard work.
Speaker 10 (47:05):
Yeah, so much appreciate it. You guys are the best.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
You are.
Speaker 10 (47:09):
We love doing these and every time just you know,
like when we're in to do these things, they're good, right,
Like everybody really gets excited.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
Yep.
Speaker 10 (47:17):
We handle this so well. And we love the way
they've come out on the other end too. I can't.
I'm always amazed. I'm like Molly Shannon, and that one
just recently was just like fantastic to hear.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yeah, all of it. You guys make it.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
We abruptly stopped the recording here because we're uncomfortable with compliments.
But as Richard Kaine would say.
Speaker 8 (47:35):
He likes me.
Speaker 5 (47:36):
That's how I knew he likes he does. Like that resonated.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
All right, it's time to wrap up this season of
Only Murders. I guess we are going to announce the
winners of the Escape Room giveaway for both LA and
New York. But first, here's Hannah from Reddit with what
the reddit sphere is saying.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Who killed Lester?
Speaker 12 (48:07):
Hello, Maggie, Hey Ryan, and hey everyone listening. Season four
gave us a wedding and a bunch of murders, and
I can't believe it's already over. I'm gonna miss our
little cozy murder show while we wait for season five.
And speaking of which, you know the members of the
Only Murder subreddit already have a lot of thoughts about
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what could happen or what they hope will happen next season.
First we have Schleppie J four, who hopes to see
Charles keep giving tribute to his friend Sas. I really
hope that Charles gets Sasa's trampoline park going. He knows
how important it was for her, and now we know
her ashes will be placed there. It would be really
(48:49):
touching if he completed her life goal. I know she's
finally getting the writing credit she deserved all along, but
I do hope they address a trampoline park. Then we
have Missus swoh with a theory about how Loretta could
be involved with season five. Anyone else think that the
car Loretta got into wasn't actually the car taking her
to her flight to New Zealand? Why do I feel
(49:10):
like the mob is going to kidnap her and that's
going to force the Trio to investigate the disappearance of
Nicky Catchamelier. Now, we're obviously all super sad about Lester
being the new murder victim, but it also means we'll
get to learn a lot more about him in season five,
so people are definitely looking forward to that because we
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love Lester. User Grouchi Republic seven five eight zero thinks
Lester was definitely involved with the Mafia somehow. Here are
their thoughts. In the finale, Lester was once again letting
Oliver know about his dry cleaning. He's also seen delivering
dry cleaning a few times over the seasons. Lester's also
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made it clear that he had also been married at
the Orconia, so he has been there a long time.
The Mafia wife at the end of season four says
her husband's disappearance has everything to do with the building,
and just after that of the building's longest tenured person
is killed. I agree with that theory, and I think
Lester was definitely involved somehow. And my personal theory is
(50:15):
that Sophia Ketchamlier maybe is the one who killed Lester,
so there would be a murder in the building, forcing
the trio to look into her husband's disappearance because, as
she said, it has everything to do with the Arconia,
and who has more to do with the Arconia than
its long term dorman. Finally, we know the show always
casts amazing actors, from crazy celebrity cameos to fantastic new
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emerging talent. Our members have started to share some of
the names they'd like to see next season. JJ Cross
thirty two would like to see Javier Barden as Nicky
kay Banji wants Paul rad to come back as another
Roy that gets killed. Mister Bartolozzi would love to see
Maria Canal's Barrera play Mabel Aunt as a nod to
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Selina's Disney days. Other names that keep coming back are
Katherine O'Hara, Daniel Radcliffe, and Robert de Niro, and to
be honest, I can picture them all in the Rconia. Personally,
I'd love to see Andy Samdberg show up and that's
it for me. I'm looking forward to season five. I'm
sure it'll be there before we know it, and I'll
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hopefully speak to you then. And if you're missing the
show during the break, join us on the omit BI
subreddit or slash Only Murders Luy.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Thanks so much to Hannah for Reddit for always sharing
the talk of the forums. It's so good. It's so
cool to hear.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
What reddit's do, the chaos that's happening within reddit about
the Only Murders universe. We get the download.
Speaker 5 (51:50):
We love it.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
Thank you so much, Hannah.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
By the way, the east Rag in the finale was
that case of beer and double Easter egg the wedding
decoration on the front of the Arconia.
Speaker 4 (52:01):
Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you for all the
emails this season. We've gotten a lot, so many. We
love reading them absolutely and now and now we're doing it.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
And now it's time to announce the winners of the
Escape Room give away.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
Right, that's right, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
You go, Okay, I'll do New York.
Speaker 4 (52:19):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Our winners for New York City are Sherry h and
Jennifer Why that.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
Is correct, and for Los Angeles Morgan H. And Jackie L.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
We will have reached out to the winners to confirm
that they can still collect their.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
Tickets and if for whatever reason they cannot use the tickets,
we will choose again.
Speaker 11 (52:41):
We will.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
You can hold us back.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
That's it for this season of the Only Murders in
the Building podcast and.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Also the Only Murders in the Building television show.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
Yeah, both are ending now.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Both are done. That's kind of sad, a little bittersweet,
but it's been a great journey.
Speaker 4 (52:57):
But we do know season five is being written right now.
We do, and we'll be back. We'll be back anyway,
see y'all soon, see you soon.
Speaker 10 (53:05):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
No, Ryan just waved big across the to nobody, to nobody,
good bye bye.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
Please send us your thoughts and theories to us at
only Murders at strahutmedia dot com. Though I don't know
how many theories there are right now.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Yeah, people have theories. Okay, thanks so much for listening.
Take a minute to subscribe, read the show, follow us,
leave us a review if you haven't done that yet.
Speaker 4 (53:30):
If you enjoy listening, Yeah, Only Murders in the Building
podcast is a production of straw Hut Media, hosted and
produced by Ryan Tillotson and Maggie Bowles. Associate producer is
Stephen Markley. Original music by Kyle Merritt and Only Murders
(53:52):
in the Building theme music by Saddartha Kosla. Assistant editor
is Daniel Ferrera and production assistant is Carolyn Mendoza.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Thanks to Jin, Jane, John and JJ for talking with us.
That's Jin Hall, Jane Lynch, John Hoffman, and JJ Philbin.
Also thanks to Patrick Howe for talking to us.
Speaker 4 (54:08):
And a big, big thanks as always to John Hoffman
and the entire Hulu team.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
We love you all.
Speaker 4 (54:14):
Goodbye, See you next year.
Speaker 10 (54:16):
Yeah, wow, leaning forward, JJ, because the microphone is very exciting.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Oh, we had someone reach out and ask if the
series is based on stings or the police's Murder by Numbers,
So just float that in the in the Murder's room.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
Maybe for season five it's I sing called Murder by Numbers.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
Yeah, no, it's it's uh, it's not it's not very good.
It's not a very good theory. But then I was
remembering every breath you take and I'll be watching you,
and I was like, hold honest, sting the mastermind here.
Speaker 10 (54:56):
So you know, my god, did we ever.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Okay, did you ever acknowledge that? I don't even know
if if anybody acknowledged it, but it's too long ago.
How many years ago was season one? I mean, I
don't know, but.
Speaker 10 (55:09):
People really quickly.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
That's what previously honest were.
Speaker 7 (55:14):
Yeah,
Strawt Media.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Do you remember the scene of her like in the
alley way behind the Arconia, putting garbage in the dumpster
and going who's that?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Who's that? We were really like we'd.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Lost the thread.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Hello, and welcome to the Only Murders in the Building Podcast.
I'm Ryan Tillotson and.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I'm Maggie Bowles, and we're looking behind the scenes and
mining for clues as we meet the cast and creators
of the Hulu original series Only Murders in the Building.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Today on the show, we're continuing our conversation about season four,
episode ten, the finale, My best Friend's Wedding.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We'll hear more from Jin, Jane, John and JJ. That's
Jin Ha who plays Marshall p Pope Slash Rex Bailey,
Jane Lynn, who plays Saspataki. Showrunner, co creator and co
writor of the episode, John Hoffmann, and JJ Philbin, who
co wrote the episode with John Well. Also here from
production designer Patrick how.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
We'll talk about the moment Jin found out his role
was a little more complex than he had initially thought,
the piece of Only Murder's history that Jane Lynch took home,
and of course our new Murder in the building well
in the courtyard of the Word Enough.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Long before he had auditioned for the role of Marshall
p Pope Jinha and his partner were both only Murders.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Fans, correct, correct big fans, big, big fans. So that's
why I knew from the beginning when I found out
about Marshall and Rex. We both decided early on, and
I had to just pretend from the very beginning, being like, Hey,
(01:49):
if I find out anything, you know, as I'm reading
scripts for about that, what do you want to know?
She's like, don't tell me anything. I just I was
like to know, and then I was like, Okay, that's
good luck to me for the next you know, I
was trying to protect It was all like I mean,
I just we're diving in out. But I was like,
it was already like having to come up with reasons
(02:10):
why I'm still working towards the end of the season,
and in my mind, I was like, right, going back
to season two when they had the Murder Mystery party
and everyone was gathered for the reveal, I was like,
maybe I can pretend like it's something like that where
it's like, oh, you know, it's just a bunch of
us are all there, and like it's a lot of
coverage of like looks and expressions and so like, you know,
(02:31):
we're just standing around all day, even though it's you know,
one of the later episodes, like all these tiny, little
intricate ways that I'm like, how do I preserve the magic?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
So how early on in the process did you find
out that you were the killer?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
It was not until I flew out to LA to shoot,
so I had I had prepped questions about Marshall. I
was like, Oh, he's a playwright. Great. I have playwright friends,
I have screenwriter friends. I'm going to talk to them.
I'm going to get it. I'm gonna buy these writing books.
I'm going to really get the character for what a
Hollywood screenwriter's life would be like who's you know, just
(03:07):
trying to get a project picked up. And I had
a meeting scheduled with John Hoffman, I think a day
or two before our first day of shooting in La.
It was like the big mansion scene of the Hollywood Hills,
and I had a you know, thinking like, oh, this
will be a good way for me to ask about
Marshall's overall arc like you know, what kind of tone
(03:29):
or style or energy do we want him to inhabit
within this extraordinary, extraordinarily colorful cast. Maybe had a little
bit of small talk. I don't even remember all of it,
but I remember sitting down in one of his offices
out there, and he sat down, and then Ben Smith
and Kristin Newman happened to be walking by or something,
(03:53):
and John was like, oh, come on in, and either
Ben or Kristen looked at John and was like, have
you told him yet? I was in my mind just
thinking the first thing. I was like, Oh, it's been
a good run, like they've still found somebody else, and
you know what, I'm happy, happy to have been here.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
And this rejection, you're just actors are just ready for rejection.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
But there are the craziest stories out there that exist
stranger than fiction. So I was like that's possible, yeah,
or obviously, like whatever else it might be, I was like,
there's no no inkling in my mind that I was
like this is where this is going, because obviously in
the audition there was nothing mentioned at all. It's just
like all this nervous guy who really loves nine to five,
like that's his favorite movie and that was in like
(04:38):
a breakdown somewhere, and yeah, and then he sat down
and then he I don't even remember the word I
might you think he might have said something like just
point blank, like so you're the killer, and it uh,
you know, like white void in my mind.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
But suddenly my heart is racing, and I think I
said some something like, oh, well, all of the questions
I prepared don't matter anymore. And then it was just,
you know, obviously like the next thirty minutes to forty
five minutes just being like receiving information that I think
in my my notebook that I had brought some random
(05:17):
things I had scribbled, was like Marshall is not my name,
and like without fully because they were still writing the
scripts I think seven eight, nine ten as we were shooting,
and I just got like large brushstrokes of the idea.
But I think even they were still hashing out like
the details of how the murder happened and exactly, you know,
(05:39):
like what are all the elements? And it was shocking,
to say the least. And then obviously from then on,
like holy shit, what an unbelievable journey. You know, on
top of that, did you know I didn't know this
that some folks on set, including Selena, don't want to know.
Speaker 7 (05:58):
Really we didn't know about Selena. Yeah, Selena. Selena apparently
as even though she's an EP as much as she can,
as long, for as long as she can, she likes
to not know and until she reads a script that
comes out and then it reveals it. But I remember
hearing from maybe it's from her assistant Ali, mentioning that
(06:20):
like she had read whichever script was sort of comes
up and she was like, I still like right before
maybe episode eight or something, She's like, I'm still not
sure like who it is.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
And everybody around hers like, yeah, yeah, totally. So in
that way, I was. I was, really it was kind
of beautiful. It was a beautiful not symbiosis, but like
it worked out well that even on set, I had
to be careful in speaking to people. I didn't want
to reveal too much. Actually, you know what it was
Michael too. Michael so Creighton also was trying not to
(06:52):
know for as long as possible, because the first thing
I said when I met him, you know, we had
met once long ago in like a little Nework Theory
workshop presentation, but the first time we saw each other
on set. He was like, don't tell me anything. It's
like just so you know, I don't want to know anything.
And I was like, okay, it nice to see you.
(07:13):
And so it was. It kind of worked out beautifully
that I had to maintain that secret on set while
I'm also maintaining that secret at home because my character
had to do that anyway, twenty four to seven. So
it was it, it was, It was nice. It was
(07:33):
a nice coin.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
It helped, it helped the performance, maybe one would help yeah, yeah,
but one would hope it helped my mentals, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
of course he does.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
He's got like layers and layers of secrets.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Also, my my YouTube algorithm is fucked.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Oh because yeah, well, first you look up all this
uh writing stuff, I'm sure, and then you start looking
into the stunt world.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
I don't know, Yes, stunt world a lot of stunt stuff,
like interviews of stunt people. I was actually listening to
this incredible stunt podcast.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Is it the Daniel Radcliffe one?
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yes, it's I first saw the documentary The Boy Who
Lived Hunting and yes, cunning stunts, cunning, cutting stunts, that's it,
cutting stunts.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
This is that podcast that writer Medal and George told
us about back in episode four, Cunning Stunts, hosted by
David Holmes. David Holmes with Daniel Radcliffe, stunt double in
the Harry Potter movies until he was seriously injured while filming.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Yes, it's a brilliant podcast and he gets incredible stunt
people on there, and yeah, that was a huge That
was a huge shoe in for me, or like shoehorn
for me to get in there. And then on top
of that, like gun stuff on your.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Well, you looked good holding a gun.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, let's let's talk about that scene in the finale,
which is like so good. There's like parkour, you know,
there's like gun stuff, there's Eva Longoria's nineteen and one
multi tool.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
You do quite a few accents as well with your
very impressive It amazing.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I kept that in, Okay, I wasn't sure if they
would keep that in. I mean, it was, it was,
It was a joy. And I mean everything that you
just mentioned is like five different things that I've always
wanted to do specifically on screen, and I never thought
(09:29):
that this one role would allow me to do all
of those things and in such a fabulously exciting way.
It was really fun. All of those elements that you
just described almost had nothing to do with each other.
It just happened to be in the needs and the
(09:50):
the goals that we were trying to achieve with that
final that final big scene for Marshall for Rex. But
all of it was like as TV world is like
kind of last minute, you know what I mean. Like
I had one session with our the gun experts who
brought in the specific rifles that can unscrew and screw,
and there was like, you know, like ten fifteen minutes
(10:12):
before around to be like, hey, this is how it works.
Like welist to try it out a couple of times.
But that's the beautiful thrill of you know, TV work
especially is it's kind of demands an instant expert mindset.
It is something I've gotten in grad school from a
brilliant professor, Jim Calder of Mine, about like, no matter
what the assumption is, just know exactly what you're just
(10:33):
pretend you know exactly what you're doing, and then go
on from there, skip over all the steps where it's
like I've never done this before. I've never had to
screw a rifle together. And then like you know what
I'm saying, Like, sure, but I've watched a bunch of
YouTube videos. I have been to the Range a couple
of times.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Okay, I mean this is how Rex and Marshall did
it too, So until you make it.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Right truly, I mean that's right, that's right. I was
just so into character. I was just living and breathing
this philosophy.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
Well.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Actually, coincidentally, the reason I've been to the Range last
time was because of my small role in Civil War,
the film where I played a sniper in that, you know,
one tiny scene, and my friend Carl Glessman and I
we in preparation for that. We were like, oh, that's
fun to range in La and and just and then
we also had a consultation with a military expert. Raymond
(11:26):
was out there and all of that. Somehow, you know,
it's like slum Dog Millionaire works, Like.
Speaker 9 (11:31):
All of these tiny things are coming in to be like, yes,
this is the moment where I get to use this expertise,
or like, you know, my research that I've done the
Parker I mean, who the hell?
Speaker 5 (11:42):
I just love I love Parkour personally, and have I
been jumping around cities all over you know, since my
teenage should be yelling parkour. Yeah, absolutely, I've been doing that,
and then to suddenly be able to seriously do parkour,
I'm like.
Speaker 10 (12:00):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
It was such a throw. Obviously, I was like, I
understand that I'm thirty four now, and I'm like, I
don't want to get hurt, and my knees and ankles
are not what they used to be in my mid twenties.
But we had an incredible stunt team. I mean the
stunt episode at the Bar is testament to that is
phenomenal team, and Swow the stunt double was incredibly helpful
(12:23):
with like here's how you make it look cooler, or
like here's how to do this safely. But it was awesome,
you know. I was like, and a lot of it
was collaboration of like, hey, I think I can jump
over this bed and then like obviously in my mind
I was like I'm not sure if I can, but
I was like, I think I can. I'll try it.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I did it once or twice, and then like one
time I didn't jump hard enough and I like my
foot landed and then gave out and I kind of
landed on my butt a little bit and everyone around
me was like, oh my god, are you okay? And
people were like hey, like you know, I could tell
people in spaces were like he's doing too much like this,
you need this, like he's gonna get hurt, like really.
(13:03):
But then Jamie, Jamie Badan, our director, came up and
she was like, look obviously, like you know, I trust you,
like if you want to do it or not, but
just so you know it looks really.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Cool, that's all you need. That's all you So I.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Was like, thank you, Jamie, that's all I need to hear,
like I did slip. I know people are worried, but
I'm actually pretty confident I can do this and if
it looks cool, it's all that matter. So then we're
able to do it a bunch more times and it was.
It was Nobody got hurt, but it was so exciting.
It was so fun to to really collaborate in that way.
(13:35):
And the fucking dialects I was, I don't know if
I can curs, but the dialects were justin that was
just my own like being spilly of like, well, he's
written to try to you know, like a classic through
the door, like well, somebody's not here right now, you
know what I mean? And I was like, okay, well
what would what would Rex? What would Marshall think to do?
(13:57):
And I was like, well, there are a bunch of
people in this room, right, So then I thought we
distinguished them and continue to tell the point that it's
like not just me holding Mapel hostage. I can't believe
they kept that in there, genuine. I was like, there's
no way, but I was like, I'll try it.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
It was hilarious and they were great, Yeah, very good accents,
very impressed, classically trains right.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Hell, it's friendly neighbors, Rudy and Vans.
Speaker 11 (14:27):
We want to borrow some sugar.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
You know what friendly neighbors do. Uh, Mabel's nine. Mabel's
not here right now. Maybe I want to come back later.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
We're making sugar chicken, and it's we've never done it before.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
We're trying to figure out anything that might work. Do
you have any corn on the cob or or off
the cob? How about one of those little pickles where the.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Girkins or corner shots corner shot shot.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Load if we were kind of busy, I know, I
whther it's whatever you have, it's really what we're looking for.
Speaker 10 (15:00):
God You're here.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
After the break. Jane Lynch's favorite details in SAS's apartment
and the artistry that went into Marshall's fake Beard.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Welcome Back. One thing that was very exciting for me
to see this episode was Sas inside of her apartment.
I don't know why. I guess maybe just because we'd
glimpsed it early in the season, but we hadn't seen
her actually in it, and that felt really special. This
is Patrick Howe, production designer.
Speaker 8 (15:41):
The interesting challenge was that while we know Sas well
in terms of a character that's been consistently on and
all for seasons, or all three seasons up to this point,
is we've never seen her at home. We've only seen
her at the Arconia or locations. So the only bit
(16:02):
of information you have about Saz is just her personality
she reflects in all of her rather witty dialogue to Charles.
So I remember that John wanted it, wanted to reflect
her personality but also have quite a bit of air
of mystery about it. So I was able to come
up with a sort of olive green color to paint
(16:24):
the walls, and it broke my heart to sort of
forfeit opportunities for wallpaper. I worked them in in a
few places of some wallpaper patterns where it was plausible
within that style of apartment. But the main living room
they were going to see what was going to be.
But so I was able to create a palette that
was kind of dark in color in value. So we
(16:47):
got that going. And then and then things about her
personality we were reflecting in the kind of decor. I mean,
John had written the specific thing about displaying pictures of
her broken bones, and so we circled around about the
ways to do that, and like, is this the actual
(17:08):
X rays? Is it a print of an X ray?
Is it a photo? You know? So we finally landed
on prints of X rays.
Speaker 12 (17:15):
Is fine?
Speaker 8 (17:16):
And then we got sort of fancier with it, and
it was and I think I met with Kyle a
little bit our DP, and of course he would be
drawn more to sort of the light box, you know.
So we wound up with that displaying them on an
X ray box. So we bought a Ventaje X ray,
Mila found an vnta J X ray box, and and
(17:37):
then that became the signature piece of the room.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Is there any special secret thing hidden in Saz's apartment
that you know, we just didn't see.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Probably several dozen things there was never a time to see.
But I wanted to make a tribute to the hats
that we always see her and Charles in. So so
it'd done a real fun Tibolt that had done some
famous series. Some were of cakes, cakes and little pedestals.
So I just riffed on that of like hats on
(18:07):
hat stands, and so there was little paintings of that.
We came up with a caricature of Sas and Charles
together that you know, and one of our scenic cards
drew that is.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That the one that Jane Lynch told us about she
When we spoke to Jane Lynch, she said that John
had gifted her a line drawing of Sas and Charles together.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
I have it.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I have it.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Let's see it.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
I should have put it up.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I usually have it up.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
WHOA, that's great.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I love that's amazing.
Speaker 12 (18:42):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I love it so much. That's fantastic.
Speaker 8 (18:50):
So that's where the hell. So that's where that went.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Of Jane Lynch.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
I guess it can stop looking for that now in
our in our inventory. Yeah, both she and Steve Martin
really liked that. Yeah, so that would be that one.
It's it's really great. That's so character of them. So
we tried to film it up, fill it up with
a lot of stunt person related things and motifs that,
(19:21):
you know, maybe anyone living in Los Angeles decore wise
might gravitate towards certain styles and that stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
And is there anything else from that apartment that you
remember seeing and thinking like this is some great detail
or like I love this information. I love the the
X ray lights. Yes, yes, it's.
Speaker 11 (19:42):
You know, it's like a light fixture of the room
and these fluorescent lights go up showing her X rays
of all of her injuries and her artificial joints that
she had put in from Bulgaria, top of the line,
so she had that up there.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
Yeah, lots horses and cowboys stuff. And you guys are
from LA, you'll you'll appreciate this. It looks very much
like one of those apartments that are they're kind of big,
and they're in courtyard buildings you know we have in LA.
Some of them are small, but the ones on the
first floor are always Yeah, the first level are always
kind of big, and they have the steps up to
(20:21):
the dining room and it's kind of the Spanish architecture,
and boy did they And it's probably in Hollywood somewhere
and totally you know, like around Wilcox or Willcox and
Fountain or something.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, so iconic.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Oh I've seen those apartments.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, but the actual apartment was on the sound stage
right like the indoor yeah yeah, okay, okay, cool, yeah, yeah,
but the exterior they shot in La.
Speaker 11 (20:45):
Yeah, and it was an apartment that those of us
in La recognize and go, oh, I know exactly where
where they right exactly. She's probably had it since nineteen eighty,
you know.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Exactly, she's still paying sixty five dollars a month or somebody.
Speaker 11 (20:57):
It's probably right control, yeah, yeah, but the neighborhood is
probably a little sketchy now, yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Probably. And so then we have to talk about your
last scene with Charles, which is also just like was
as John called it, the kicker at the end, and
it was it's like, you know, get a little teary
eyed seen when he has to move to the writer's chair.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Sorry, you're missing all this.
Speaker 11 (21:24):
Yeah, it would have been nice.
Speaker 10 (21:29):
I think this is your chair.
Speaker 11 (21:32):
Well, thank you, my friend. Actually I missed that guy.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
He did good.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I know this is just me telling myself I did good,
but I'll take the compliment.
Speaker 11 (21:54):
Like at this point, he knows everything she's done for him,
and he now has done, you know, a lot for
her and her legacy, and and.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
It's yeah, it's kind of beautiful.
Speaker 11 (22:07):
And also at that moment too, you get this sense
that it's the last scene between the two of them.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You know that she's going to.
Speaker 11 (22:13):
Move on to the great trampoline uh park in the sky,
and that he's he's he's going to carry on without her.
I love it in the beginning of the season where
he were sitting on the edge of the bed and
he says, you are my very best friend. How am
I going to get along without you? How am I
going to live without you? So that that kind of
echoed that. But I love that when I sat in
(22:35):
that chair, Saz was not uncomfortable, was not very comfortable
in that chair.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
She wanted to sit on her apple box.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
That's where she's used to sitting.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, and the little and the little hat hat office. Yeah,
oh yeah too. And also there there is one more
there's one more scene that I think is really special
in this episode, which is when Sas gets shot or
and she's with her dying breath, She's like, my number
one's going to get you, you know what I mean.
(23:06):
I'm sorry I didne this way.
Speaker 10 (23:08):
I just.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I need this.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Where's the script, the one with your name on it?
Speaker 10 (23:17):
He's gonna get you? Who?
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Who will?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Why?
Speaker 8 (23:26):
No? What?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Tap in?
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Tap in? I just think that's that's so special. How
is it to die on camera? How often do you get?
How often do you get to die on camera?
Speaker 11 (23:44):
I think I died in a movie called Collateral Damage,
like in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I remember Collateral Damage.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
Yeah, I was had my neck broken in the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Oh god, by a really little woman too.
Speaker 11 (23:56):
I don't know how she did it, but it was
it was yeah, it was you know, it was fun.
I got to use my imagination. What would it feel
like to have, you know, the blood going down your throat?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
It was.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
It was fun.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
I would be nervous about, like I feel like that's
often the scenes that are made fun of, you know, like,
oh you overperform it or something, you know, yeah, you
overdo it.
Speaker 11 (24:22):
Yeah, that would be it's true, but we're in a
world of We're in a kind of a world of weird,
so anything you do it can be looked at as
genius even if it's weird.
Speaker 10 (24:35):
True.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, I feel like on Only Murders specifically, like everything
is like a little bit amplified. Like there's if there's
a serious moment, it's always going to come with some comedy.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Looking back now that we've seen like how the how
sas the story ends, how do you how do you
feel about the show looking back on it as a whole.
Speaker 11 (24:57):
Oh well, I feel, you know, like I'm really blessed
and really lucky to be a part of it. It's
a really unique show for all those reasons you've just said.
It's touching and then it's funny, And all of this
has to do with John Hoffman and Steve Martin and
Martin Short and Selena that kind.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Of group there. They figured out this.
Speaker 11 (25:20):
Dynamic and I'll bet it was probably kind of there
to begin with, you know, but they really leaned into it,
and John and the writers really leaned into it. And
so it's each season is so inventive, but they've done
something that that I think is so important in television
that people trying to be outside the box and make
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things crazy never do. But there is a if it's
going to be television. The familiarity with places. And when
I was studying theater, they called the unity of place.
So you've got Charles's apartment is basically kind of the
constant and it's beautiful to be in flects him so well, uh,
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anything can be done there. The murder board is there,
they meet there. Uh, I was killed there. It's kind
of the place. It's kind of like the bar at Cheers.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
It's uh, you.
Speaker 11 (26:14):
Know, Monica and Rachel's apartment and friends. It's kind of
an important thing because it's the place that you keep
going back to, like the office and the office, and
even though that's basically where everything happened, but they they
really understand that that apartment is a character in the show,
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as well as the building and where it is in
New York. But for the most part, it's it says
everything for this world, that apartment. And we like going
back to familiar places where everybody knows your name.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
That kind of a thing, right, Yeah, And we even
get like the uncanny second Charles's apartment, this season, you know,
the right exactly.
Speaker 11 (26:55):
That the the real imagination for you know, a movie
of something that exists on television.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
It's so great.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, it's so funny.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
Yeah, it was a joy to be a part of
this group. And you know, John Kaufman is one of
the greatest guys. I mean, he's so talented, and he's
so kind and so nice, and so Steve and Marty
and so you know, that's the head of this This
television's fish and it's you know, it stinks from the
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head down.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
It smells head down.
Speaker 11 (27:30):
So yeah, it's it was a joy to be a
part of it. And so many people you know, have
been on it and continue to be on it. I mean,
this season is just a cavalcade of some of some
of the funniest, most unique people.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
So yeah, it's great.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I'm glad to be a part of it.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Well you're such a huge part of it.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
So yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Appreciate this movie in a whole different way.
Speaker 12 (27:57):
Now, I mean, Saz wrote this.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Oh, do you have any any favorite moments from the
whole season, favorite memories or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Oh, boy, I don't think it's so hard to pinpoint
a favorite.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
This is Jinha again.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
It was just unbelievable gathering of heroes and stars and
brilliant minds, and I felt overwhelmed to suddenly find myself
there as in like many times I have throughout my jobs,
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and really lucky to be there. I feel really really
grateful to I have gotten a chance to play this fun,
exciting role and with such incredible people.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Was it hard wearing that beard? Oh you did have
some really great I thank.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
You so much. You know my beard was real for
most of it? Yeah, yeah, because I had Funnily enough,
they had you know, that character had the fake beard,
I guess from the beginning, from its conception, and then coincidentally,
it's true a lot of these Asian men can't grow
full beards for whatever reason, but I can. So she
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kind of worked out. I showed up yeah with a beard,
and I was like, okay, like this works. I remember
like maybe I mentioned this somewhere else, but like Marty
came up to me and was the first day and
he was like, this is a fake beard, and I
was like, oh no, this this is real. This is
my beard. And it was just for that episode where
we had to see it falling apart that it was maneuvering,
and then actually, no kudos to Ariel the makeup designer,
(29:43):
towards the later half where we needed to jump back
and forth between Rex and Marshall. Yeah, I've never seen
this technique before. I know it exists elsewhere, but he
gets hairs mixed with human hair or whatever other types
of hair that's good for beards, and then applies like
glue on my face and then would like she's a
(30:05):
god building a beard on someone's face. She's like slowly
with like the follicle's face, you know, the heads of
the follicles touching my face to like literally touch on
and build a beard on my face, and then she
like shaves it into the shape. So we had to
do that a couple of times towards the latter episodes.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
And is that a long process?
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Yeah, like maybe an hour and a half two hours.
It usually probably would take longer, but she's so good
at it. But that was incredible because the beard functions
and felt like a beard, so I was able to talk.
I totally forgot. I forgot because it was so real
that I was like, oh, yeah, it was just my beard.
It was not, but it moves because like if the
fake beards are like you know, it's a strip like
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an attach that you put on. But I couldn't really
smile like it was, couldn't move my face too much.
But with this fake one that Ariel made, because literally
each follicle was attached by glue, I could I could smile,
I could whatever with my face without any hindrance. And yeah,
that that was That was also a thing. You know,
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I got to do prosthetics, Like how cool this is
my step towards the penguin, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So they have to remake the beard every time, or
you take it off and you reapply Wow.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
You No, it would be like top of the day
and then throughout the day be like, oh we need
to like make this part a little bit denser again.
Or but it was pretty incredible. How how well it lasted?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
That's wild?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, so much, so much modern technology.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
In this scene. No, it's true. Yeah, it was really
really cool. Which actually, you know what's funn is I
think it's so appropriate because this whole season was about Hollywood,
so that we got to like employ all of these
different techniques and uses like how meta.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Seriously always that's.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
True, that's a good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, and I love that.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I love that fact.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
After the break, Loretta and Oliver's wedding and a brand
new murder in the building, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
In this episode, we have an Rconian wedding and you
might not have noticed, but there were quite a few
familiar faces among the guests. We spotted none other than
John Hoffman at the center officiating the wedding.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
We also saw Ben Smith, Alex Bigelow, Madeline, George and JJ.
We are sure there are even more that we missed.
We asked John Hoffman and JJ Filman to tell us
about the.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Wedding so exciting first of all, to see a wedding
in the courtyard of the Arconia. It looked beautiful. There
were a lot of special cameos. And how about our
efficient right here? Efficient lighten up the front row. Can
you tell us about like the culmination of of Oliver
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and Loretta's love story. By the way, also, thank you
for not killing Loretta. I feel like you were You
guys were teasing it all episode long. That's very I
would have been very this would have been a different
conversation if she had been The next murder let me
tell you.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Oh gosh, I know the wedding was our Like we
felt like this was our dream to watch those two
get married, like it was it. You know.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
We we were like what are the ramifications of this?
Like what does that mean? Like what what does that
mean going forward? But ultimately we were like, we just
want to watch them get married because they're.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
So perfect together and so in love, and just the
idea of it made us so happy.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
And it just felt like.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
The happiest ending we could think of for the season.
After you know, Charles had been you know, mourning his
friend and this this it'd been like a like a
these characters had been through so much and just to
relax into this purely joyful event was it was for us.
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It was just like the treat of all treats to
bring all those characters together. I mean, just little things
like Winnie and the stroller, Like I was delighted about.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
To see the Suns again.
Speaker 10 (34:25):
That was a big deal. We needed them back. And Ryan,
I mean everybody. I mean Jeremy Seamus, who who plays
Dicky is a great New York actor and lives in
New York. But Ryan Broussard was doing a TV show
in Vancouver, and I just we God love them both
because I was like, although there's a nice lore, like
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will do you walk Meryl Streep down the aisle, we
won't have a lot of lines, but you know it's
a big moment. So he found his way there, and
that these are the little things that could go one
way the other when you're in production and sort of like,
we may not get him, and I'm like, oh, that's
going to sting if we don't have both those boys
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on either arm. So it was brilliant that they could
make it. And then I think the thing JJ's saying,
which is so right, that joyful thing and all of that,
But what felt really right to me is what you
guys were saying, which is we knew that the audience
was going to be thinking like and we put it
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in the mouth of Charles and Oliver like throughout the
whole episode. So there is a tension to it as well.
So I think I talked to a journalist a couple
of days ago who had seen the finale and and
she said, I watched that wedding sweating. I was like,
it was beautiful, but I was also like, oh my god,
what is it? Going to happen. How is she going
to die? How is she going to I was like,
(35:50):
oh my god, I'm not going to promise that we're
not going to kill Meryl Street, but I also like
keeping that option out open.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
And in the script they were like, we had really
gone a lot farther with that story, and I think
we cut those beats, you know, for production reasons, and
that it was so unwieldy the episode.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
We just had so many things we wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
But do you remember the scene of her like in
the alleyway behind the Arconia putting garbage in the dumpster
and going who's that?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Who's that?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
We were really like we'd lost.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
The thread, but we were just having fun with playing
with the audience, who, you know, at this point knows
what you know the end of every season, what's coming,
and we're all so emotionally wrapped up in Loretta and
Oliver and it just I don't know, it was we
had fun with it. At the end of the day,
I think the balance of it is just right.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
You know. We did a location Gosh mapped out to
do that scene and they were like, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
This is.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Footsteps behind her in an alleyway or something.
Speaker 10 (36:56):
Threat like, oh my god, we're going to tee it
up even further, but all is her not appearing at
the end of that aisle, And then Jackie Hoffman letting
out a good scream over a roach.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Yeah, okay, where she she's coming? Yeah, any second another
something has.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Happened where.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Sorry I thought I saw a roach.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
I still have no idea who is watching them, And
we have a new murder and they feel connected and
that is correct, and I don't know what you can
tell us.
Speaker 10 (37:37):
No, there's nice controversy in the writer's room about all
this too, which I will only intimate that not go
further and not give anyone up. No, but this show
right from the beginning, I made a sort of perfect
negotiation in my own head that from learning one season
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at least of writing a murder story story over ten episodes,
that loose ends and things that aren't explained fully are
always a part of any story you're telling, So using
and collecting up those things and then putting a focus
(38:18):
on them. And I know I've spoken about this in
the press, so it got glommed onto by a lot
of people who love the show and our fans and
everything and are looking for things like this. Certainly, the
idea of Saz doing research for a film, going over
to that West Tower through her hand radio, connecting to Helga,
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understanding about the duden Off conspiracy that Helga was wrapped
up in and shared with Saz, understanding what the whole
dudent Off mystery over there was, found its way into
Saz's script. As Marshall refers to as he's setting up
to shoot Saz, he said, she had put this whole
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plot line in her script, and it was he dumped it.
He dumped it out of there. But that's how he
knew about the dudent Off apartment. That's how he knew
about the code and everything else, because she had laid
it all out as a part of that script. Because
there were plot holes, there were things that didn't make sense.
So she was saying in her first version of the script,
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this is what happened. Someone put a sign up on
Jan's door. Someone poisoned Winnie. Someone did so, and Helga
and everyone else might have intimated that someone could have
done that, may have done that, but no one, yes,
you're right, has admitted to that yet. So that does
remain a loose end at the end of season four.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I'm wondering if there's anything throughout the season that we
didn't pick up on. Like I know that we never
asked about John McEnroe in episode five, and that's like
a funny little cameo. Somebody pointed out a bunch of
Billy Joel in episode seven that we never asked are
their little Easter eggs and things like around the season
that you're like that were your favorites or that stuck
(40:06):
out or that people have asked you the most about.
Speaker 10 (40:09):
This was the most easter egg and extra season. I
feel like it everyone just jumping in to sort of
dimensionalize everything, as I say, from our prop department to
our writers, to the opportunity to reflect in the way
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that our characters are doing about themselves through the Doppelgangers,
through the movie, someone's writing about them through all of
that stuff, but also as writers to sort of look
at this world that was created and sort of like
to play off of all of that. You know, I
went to school on Long Island. I have a lot
(40:50):
of relatives out there, so playing off of things like
that were set up in season one that Charles has
a sister that has daughters with d names, you know,
being able to like it's all that stuff that feels like, oh, well,
what have we set up that we could go with
and explode? And then you know everything the dolls and
(41:13):
Merrill's doll. I mean, these are all of the things
I loved throughout the season. But yes, Billy Joel in
that doorbell when we say these things, and you must
know it's like that you you put that in a
script and then it becomes a whole thing of legality
and can we cligar that?
Speaker 8 (41:31):
Can we do that?
Speaker 10 (41:32):
Will Billy Joel be upset? You know, all these things
and it's months before you find out whether that doorbell
is going to sound like that or not.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Is Billy Joel okay with it?
Speaker 10 (41:43):
Yeah? I don't know what thinks of that.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I know he hasn't made in yet.
Speaker 10 (41:48):
It's Billy Joel.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Where's Billy Joel on this?
Speaker 4 (41:52):
But it is true.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
It's this lore that accumulates over the course of these
seasons that you find yourself. We've been doing that lot,
just in writing this next season, going back to scenes
from seasons past and learning little things that suddenly become
really useful and maybe they didn't have that much import
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at the time. But it's amazing how they carry all
this potential with them, like it's a clue in there.
There could be something we could extrapolate off of that.
I mean, I remember that happening. Saz had that line
in season three about people chatting over the Ham radio.
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Maybe it was Charles and how that, you know, spun
into a whole thing in season four that we used
over about the Ham Radio and it's great. It's like
there's this little box of clues that's just sitting there
waiting for you, that lives in the show in a way.
Speaker 10 (42:54):
It's what, like this really gonna sound? So this sounds
like a made up line? I really mean it.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
You're in a safe space, no.
Speaker 10 (43:02):
Writing a murder like what I've learned writing a murder mystery,
because I've never really had done this, and I'm not
sure many in the room in our writer's room had
because this is a great comedy room as well. But
like writing real murder mystery now that we're heading towards
a fifth season of it, you in season four particularly,
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it felt like in order to do that, you have
to be a much better investigator then, So it was
really sort of like that process is the same thing
that was going on while creating all this stuff. You're
pulling from the clues you've given yourself in previous seasons.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
I get it makes sense.
Speaker 10 (43:44):
I want to hire you to find my husband. It's urgent.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Well, we're not a detective for my husband.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Is Nikki Kacimilio?
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Who was?
Speaker 1 (43:53):
If you believe the.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
News I pay very well. We only investigate murders in
the building right there in our name.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
What happened to Nikki has everything to do with this building.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
To close out this conversation, you tee us up for
the new murder, which is our beloved luster or the
door guy. Oh and perhaps the trio becoming sort of
private investigators for hire. What can you tell? What can
you tell listeners for next season about? I don't know
what can you say?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Tell you?
Speaker 10 (44:28):
That's all?
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, I'm scared.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Is it to say something spoilery?
Speaker 4 (44:34):
John johnsapro JJ did it?
Speaker 8 (44:40):
No?
Speaker 4 (44:41):
What can we say?
Speaker 10 (44:42):
Okay? So I am excited, very very excited for season
five because it's always that dance of you know, we
like to go into new territory, but we like to
stay true to the show. We want to sort of
use the building and it's people and it's lore in
new ways that feel connected to New York and history
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and our trios stories, how do we progress them? And
this season feels very tied into both of those things
already in a way that feels very the show. And
why I say that is because the show has always
been classic meets modern, right, two classic comedians meets the
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most modern of young women in New York City, which
is always going back and forth between the classic and
the modern. And here we have at the center of
our murder mystery a beloved doorman and a particular symbol
of New York history and propriety and respect, and he's
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been potentially very disrespected. That buttressed up against and I
cannot stop using the word, but I've said it so
many times. People are going to throw a stapler at
me one more time, But that buttressed up against this
very what is New York today, and in some way
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for next season, what I'm really excited about is, like
we've never done before, We're looking at New York of
right now in the headlines literally as we speak, and
diving in that direction in a way that feels very exciting.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Well, we're very excited.
Speaker 10 (46:36):
Did I do that right? Did I see you that?
Speaker 4 (46:38):
It feels great?
Speaker 3 (46:39):
That was beautifully they're palpitating. You made them excited. Now
we really have to deliver their hearts.
Speaker 10 (46:46):
Their hearts are so botressed up against.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
There's maximum butcher sing happening.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Thank you both so much for talking to us, and
it's time and we're so excited and we really really
appreciate both of you and all of your hard work.
Speaker 10 (47:05):
Yeah, so much appreciate it. You guys are the best.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
You are.
Speaker 10 (47:09):
We love doing these and every time just you know,
like when we're in to do these things, they're good, right,
Like everybody really gets excited.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
Yep.
Speaker 10 (47:17):
We handle this so well. And we love the way
they've come out on the other end too. I can't.
I'm always amazed. I'm like Molly Shannon, and that one
just recently was just like fantastic to hear.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yeah, all of it. You guys make it.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
We abruptly stopped the recording here because we're uncomfortable with compliments.
But as Richard Kaine would say.
Speaker 8 (47:35):
He likes me.
Speaker 5 (47:36):
That's how I knew he likes he does. Like that resonated.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
All right, it's time to wrap up this season of
Only Murders. I guess we are going to announce the
winners of the Escape Room giveaway for both LA and
New York. But first, here's Hannah from Reddit with what
the reddit sphere is saying.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Who killed Lester?
Speaker 12 (48:07):
Hello, Maggie, Hey Ryan, and hey everyone listening. Season four
gave us a wedding and a bunch of murders, and
I can't believe it's already over. I'm gonna miss our
little cozy murder show while we wait for season five.
And speaking of which, you know the members of the
Only Murder subreddit already have a lot of thoughts about
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what could happen or what they hope will happen next season.
First we have Schleppie J four, who hopes to see
Charles keep giving tribute to his friend Sas. I really
hope that Charles gets Sasa's trampoline park going. He knows
how important it was for her, and now we know
her ashes will be placed there. It would be really
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touching if he completed her life goal. I know she's
finally getting the writing credit she deserved all along, but
I do hope they address a trampoline park. Then we
have Missus swoh with a theory about how Loretta could
be involved with season five. Anyone else think that the
car Loretta got into wasn't actually the car taking her
to her flight to New Zealand? Why do I feel
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like the mob is going to kidnap her and that's
going to force the Trio to investigate the disappearance of
Nicky Catchamelier. Now, we're obviously all super sad about Lester
being the new murder victim, but it also means we'll
get to learn a lot more about him in season five,
so people are definitely looking forward to that because we
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love Lester. User Grouchi Republic seven five eight zero thinks
Lester was definitely involved with the Mafia somehow. Here are
their thoughts. In the finale, Lester was once again letting
Oliver know about his dry cleaning. He's also seen delivering
dry cleaning a few times over the seasons. Lester's also
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made it clear that he had also been married at
the Orconia, so he has been there a long time.
The Mafia wife at the end of season four says
her husband's disappearance has everything to do with the building,
and just after that of the building's longest tenured person
is killed. I agree with that theory, and I think
Lester was definitely involved somehow. And my personal theory is
(50:15):
that Sophia Ketchamlier maybe is the one who killed Lester,
so there would be a murder in the building, forcing
the trio to look into her husband's disappearance because, as
she said, it has everything to do with the Arconia,
and who has more to do with the Arconia than
its long term dorman. Finally, we know the show always
casts amazing actors, from crazy celebrity cameos to fantastic new
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emerging talent. Our members have started to share some of
the names they'd like to see next season. JJ Cross
thirty two would like to see Javier Barden as Nicky
kay Banji wants Paul rad to come back as another
Roy that gets killed. Mister Bartolozzi would love to see
Maria Canal's Barrera play Mabel Aunt as a nod to
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Selina's Disney days. Other names that keep coming back are
Katherine O'Hara, Daniel Radcliffe, and Robert de Niro, and to
be honest, I can picture them all in the Rconia. Personally,
I'd love to see Andy Samdberg show up and that's
it for me. I'm looking forward to season five. I'm
sure it'll be there before we know it, and I'll
(51:23):
hopefully speak to you then. And if you're missing the
show during the break, join us on the omit BI
subreddit or slash Only Murders Luy.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Thanks so much to Hannah for Reddit for always sharing
the talk of the forums. It's so good. It's so
cool to hear.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
What reddit's do, the chaos that's happening within reddit about
the Only Murders universe. We get the download.
Speaker 5 (51:50):
We love it.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
Thank you so much, Hannah.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
By the way, the east Rag in the finale was
that case of beer and double Easter egg the wedding
decoration on the front of the Arconia.
Speaker 4 (52:01):
Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you for all the
emails this season. We've gotten a lot, so many. We
love reading them absolutely and now and now we're doing it.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
And now it's time to announce the winners of the
Escape Room give away.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
Right, that's right, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
You go, Okay, I'll do New York.
Speaker 4 (52:19):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Our winners for New York City are Sherry h and
Jennifer Why that.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
Is correct, and for Los Angeles Morgan H. And Jackie L.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
We will have reached out to the winners to confirm
that they can still collect their.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
Tickets and if for whatever reason they cannot use the tickets,
we will choose again.
Speaker 11 (52:41):
We will.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
You can hold us back.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
That's it for this season of the Only Murders in
the Building podcast and.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Also the Only Murders in the Building television show.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
Yeah, both are ending now.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Both are done. That's kind of sad, a little bittersweet,
but it's been a great journey.
Speaker 4 (52:57):
But we do know season five is being written right now.
We do, and we'll be back. We'll be back anyway,
see y'all soon, see you soon.
Speaker 10 (53:05):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
No, Ryan just waved big across the to nobody, to nobody,
good bye bye.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
Please send us your thoughts and theories to us at
only Murders at strahutmedia dot com. Though I don't know
how many theories there are right now.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Yeah, people have theories. Okay, thanks so much for listening.
Take a minute to subscribe, read the show, follow us,
leave us a review if you haven't done that yet.
Speaker 4 (53:30):
If you enjoy listening, Yeah, Only Murders in the Building
podcast is a production of straw Hut Media, hosted and
produced by Ryan Tillotson and Maggie Bowles. Associate producer is
Stephen Markley. Original music by Kyle Merritt and Only Murders
(53:52):
in the Building theme music by Saddartha Kosla. Assistant editor
is Daniel Ferrera and production assistant is Carolyn Mendoza.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Thanks to Jin, Jane, John and JJ for talking with us.
That's Jin Hall, Jane Lynch, John Hoffman, and JJ Philbin.
Also thanks to Patrick Howe for talking to us.
Speaker 4 (54:08):
And a big, big thanks as always to John Hoffman
and the entire Hulu team.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
We love you all.
Speaker 4 (54:14):
Goodbye, See you next year.
Speaker 10 (54:16):
Yeah, wow, leaning forward, JJ, because the microphone is very exciting.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Oh, we had someone reach out and ask if the
series is based on stings or the police's Murder by Numbers,
So just float that in the in the Murder's room.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
Maybe for season five it's I sing called Murder by Numbers.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
Yeah, no, it's it's uh, it's not it's not very good.
It's not a very good theory. But then I was
remembering every breath you take and I'll be watching you,
and I was like, hold honest, sting the mastermind here.
Speaker 10 (54:56):
So you know, my god, did we ever.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Okay, did you ever acknowledge that? I don't even know
if if anybody acknowledged it, but it's too long ago.
How many years ago was season one? I mean, I
don't know, but.
Speaker 10 (55:09):
People really quickly.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
That's what previously honest were.
Speaker 7 (55:14):
Yeah,
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