February 12, 2025 • 34 mins
Hey everyone, in this very first episode of Opes & Dreams, we pull back the curtain and share our story- from how our friendship came to be to why we’re so obsessed with those Ope moments that make life hilariously unpredictable. We chat about our messy, sometimes dumpster-fire-like lives, and how all that chaos inspired us to start this podcast. It’s raw, its real, and its us, inviting you to laugh along as we navigate lifes ups, downs, and unexpected twists together.
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Oh, hey there. Didn't see you over there.
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Oh, well hello.
There's people here. Watched listening to us. I don't know if they're watching, they
won't be watching us yet.
No, not yet.
Eventually you'll be watching us.
Soonish.
Um, and that will be the day that all of your wildest desires come true.
So here's a question. Who are us?
Who are us?
Who are us?
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That's a great question. That's a very loaded question, actually.
Depending on who you're asking.
It really depends on the personality we choose to show up with that day.
Which personality are we going to be today, you think?
Well, I think at this present moment, I'm feeling a little, we're good. I think we're
at baseline, Karen. Today I'm Karen.
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So spicy.
Spicy. That's a very good point.
We're spicy because we have been sitting in this cold basement for about two hours now.
We're trying to figure out how to simply just make you hear our voices.
The simplest task of just hearing us speak has taken us two hours.
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But we got through it.
We did get through it. And are we still friends?
We're still friends.
Great.
All right. So who are Kylie today?
I'm Kylie. That's me.
And who is your baseline personality today?
I think also a little spicy.
A little spicy.
But why?
Well, because it took two hours to figure this out.
Yeah. We were hoping to have at least 15 episodes.
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We should have figured it out a little sooner, but we got there and that's okay.
Right. We did get there and that's really all.
Nothing really matters.
All right. Wait. It's on song like that. We'll probably get sued for having that clip on
there. I'll probably have to get ahold of whatever band that is.
Canceled for copyright infringement episode one.
Within the first two minutes of recording this episode, we are, I mean, we're taking
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polls. If anybody out there wants to bet on how long you think it will be until we actually
get canceled.
Oh, yeah.
That's been a big conversation between our friends that know that we're doing this.
So some people think that we can't even be produced.
So
Well, they're wrong.
They are very wrong.
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So this podcast is Opes and Dreams podcast.
Opes and Dreams.
You did see that when you clicked on the button. So you should know that already.
But why not explain what that means?
So what that means, actually, I have a, I have it written down what an op is.
Okay, great.
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So dictionaries are useful for finding out what we're doing.
Those are not all banned yet.
Not banned.
Not a banned book.
Dictionaries.
Go pick one of those up if you guys.
Oh, Lordy.
This is not a political podcast. It will have some sprinkles of politics because we are
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functional humans in this society.
So yeah, it's going to come up, but it's not a focal point.
It is not a focal point.
So a variant form of open as a verb and an adjective, op can mean to express surprise
or to alert someone or to express apology.
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Can you show me some examples of how you would use op as an expression or an apology?
Op.
I goofed that one.
Op.
Let me just, I'm just going to sneak right by you there.
Op.
I forgot to grab the ranch.
Op.
Let me just get past you there.
Oh, we already used that one, but you get the general idea.
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An old version would have been like, now, op din eyes, but we are not Shakespearean
gals yet.
Oh, is that how we get canceled?
Right.
You know, it could be a number of ways.
Another poll if anybody wants to not only guess when we get canceled, how?
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We get canceled.
Bonus points.
That's sort of our version of over under.
Yes, it sure is.
So then the other half of our podcast is dreams.
So how would you describe the dreams portion of opes and dreams?
Dreams can be goals.
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They can be inspirations, motivators, cautionary tales.
Accomplishments.
Accomplishments.
Which we really want to focus on because we are accomplished women.
We are a couple of accomplished women.
We do a lot.
We're entrepreneurs.
We sure are.
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We are self-employed.
We are also employees.
So we have various perspectives of adult women being...
It's still going.
Huzzah!
Minutes in.
Five whole minutes.
Already.
How do people do this for an entire hour?
Outlines.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
We got to have, like, structure.
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So that would be a good one.
So we have thought maybe about doing a theme every episode related to the opes and dreams.
Like sharing maybe an ope that happened to us that day or just an ope in life.
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And then at the same time sharing our dream or our goal or our achievements or, you know,
all of that.
Who knows if that's going to happen today because we're just so...
Our dream is that we figured out how to record this.
Our ope is that it took us two hours to do it.
Yeah, that's our first ope and dream.
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Oh, but not only that.
Something very special happened today about 22 minutes ago.
Kylie mentioned that she is a business owner and entrepreneur and she is one of the people
that organizes Driflis Music Gardens in the Driflis region of Wisconsin.
Yuba!
And today a really exciting event was released just momentarily.
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Do you want to tell us a little bit about that?
Thank you for that lovely segue.
You're welcome.
It rode very smoothly.
Great.
I did it.
The DMG as it's acronymed is bringing in a tour that is separate from the three music
festivals we host every year.
This is the Rowdy Summer Nights tour and we have the Kitchen Dwellers opening for our
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good friends, Leftover Salmon and the Infamous String Dusters.
It is Saturday, July 19th this summer in Yuba, Wisconsin and we are so excited!
It's going to be a bluegrass bash.
A bluegrass bash.
All of the banjos.
Oh, so many banjos.
So many banjos.
Which is never a bad thing.
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Never.
Unless you're like alone in the woods and you start hearing any banjos.
Or unless you hate banjo.
Right.
Which I don't know if, you know, that's smart for you.
I don't think we're friends with any people that hate banjos.
Near the Driflis region of Wisconsin you should probably embrace that.
Yeah, because you're going to hear it.
It gets loud out there.
On our brand new stage that we built last year.
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Which is all very exciting.
So a couple of questions I've already seen people asking online about this event.
Is there camping involved?
There is camping.
So although this is just a one night show, we are still Driflis Music Gardens and we
still want you to come hang out and come party.
So you can come Saturday and camp overnight.
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You can also come Friday and camp overnight and make a whole weekend out of it.
But there's not music all weekend, all day.
It's like the festivals.
So it is different.
It's going to be smaller.
We will have vendors and food.
Food.
Good.
Yeah.
That was my next question.
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Food vendors.
Because food is very important.
Especially if you're going to spend a day or a day's anywhere.
Especially in the middle of Wisconsin.
Which is, it really is in the middle of nowhere.
It really is.
And it's called Driflis.
I don't know if you guys know.
But Driflis means the glaciers did not flatten the earth.
You know I read that.
As they slid.
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I read that in an article yesterday that came out about Driflis Music Gardens.
You can read.
Dictionaries.
But an article came out about Driflis Music Gardens yesterday.
Which was incredible.
Yeah.
Did you watch some radio?
I was really impressed by that.
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So we had our good friends at Wisconsin Public Radio come out to one of our festivals last
summer.
Interviewed a bunch of our staff and volunteers.
Which side note, we can't do anything without our staff and volunteers.
Everybody that has put in an hour of volunteer help at DMG.
We are so grateful.
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And just to cut in there.
I've been a volunteer at Driflis Music Gardens for so many years now.
And it really is like such a fun opportunity.
So speaking of somebody that's done it for a long time, I highly, highly, highly recommend
putting in the time if you have it to be able to do that.
It's really, really fun.
And it's a great way to be a part of such a wonderful event.
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Or events.
There's several events that are put on every summer.
So it's just a really great community.
And it's really great to do that.
Anyway, go on.
So we, thank you, volunteer, please volunteer.
Go sign up.
We need, we need you.
Please volunteer for us.
So WPR came out and they got a bunch of footage.
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And then they interviewed Tim and Cricket who live on the land.
It's Cricket's family land in Yuba.
She's the sixth generation to occupy it.
And they've turned it from farming wheat and corn and cows to farming music.
There's a great video.
It will air on TV later this fall.
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But you can check it out on the socials.
It's all over the socials to watch the video.
They're super, it's super cute.
Is it going to be longer than the video that was in there?
It's like a full documentary.
Yeah, it's like a full segment.
Maybe we'll see us on it somewhere.
Maybe.
Actually, I'm surprised at us because knowing that there would be cameras there.
I'm surprised we weren't trying to like jump in the background as often as possible.
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Well, it's hard to see other cameras when our phones are in front of our faces taking
selfies constantly.
But also, because we're so busy.
We're just so busy working so that we wouldn't have even known that they were there, right?
That's actually the reason.
I had no idea they were there.
It's not a, not at all.
I didn't see them once.
I was so busy delegating.
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She does a very good job of delegating.
Just couldn't.
She can't do.
Really?
Really, that's the whole sentence.
Behind every woman who can do everything is a best friend that helps her and doesn't
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ever want to.
Right.
But will.
Right.
I don't want to, but I will.
That is my number one motto, which Kylie has heard from me many, many, many, many times,
especially out at Driftless.
Maybe it'll be part of the merch that we make stickers.
I don't want to, but I will.
Yeah, merch.
Let's talk merch.
We love merch.
We often sell merch for bands and for just various things, and that's a big part of our
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personalities.
It's a great way to see a show.
Merch maids, if you will.
But we like the idea of having merch.
Speaking of that, we will eventually have a great logo and all kinds of merch.
We're working on all of that.
It'll come.
It will be there.
Hopefully by the time you hear this, you'll see it.
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Yeah, we like organic growth.
We're just not going to push it.
We're not going to shove it down your throat.
Going with the flow.
Unless you come up to us like a baby bird.
Give me the merch.
Give me the merch.
We'll feed your baby bird mouths.
If you had a video on going of this right now, that would have been really funny to
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see.
Again, I'm really confused by the cats not making noises.
You couldn't keep it shut earlier.
What else should we talk about?
You know, I'm not sure.
Rarely are we out of things to talk about.
Because my brain is in a lot of different places.
Yeah, we are, you know, maybe two hours ago we would have been able to figure this out,
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but it's kind of hard when you're put on the spot like this.
But I guess like we don't know any better yet because we don't have an outline to keep
us on task, which we will have.
So this will get better as time goes on.
Obviously, this is episode one.
And we are just figuring this out just from the ground up.
We are really not following any rules or structure as you figured out already.
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What structure?
Is there a dictionary for that one?
There is.
And what a dictionary is, is it tells you what things are and what words mean.
So speaking of Opes, I went through and I was trying to think about my Opes from life.
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Oh, I don't know if we have enough time in this episode for that.
I know.
We've only got about 45 minutes.
I just want to point out that as I'm trying to think of Opes, I'm trying to think of
Opes to share.
My 20s came up a lot.
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And sometimes those are NSFW, which we don't need to share.
So I went to the source of my childhood, which are my other two best friends.
Never heard of them.
Ken, Christina.
Just kidding.
They're my besties in law.
Yes, besties in law.
We love you.
We do love you.
We will have you here.
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Oh yeah.
There will be.
So spoiler alert.
One thing we do have planned for this podcast is a big, I don't know if we're allowed to
say this without getting sued for licenses or any of that stuff, but we love the Gilmore
Girls.
Oh yeah.
We love it.
We are diehards.
So are her two best friends.
So is my best friend.
And one day our, one of our dreams is to get everybody here in the same room and just
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talk about it for an entire hour.
So if you like Gilmore Girls, that will be a really great episode.
If you don't, um, maybe skip it.
Yeah, don't, don't turn us on that day.
Probably missed that one.
But go on.
Kat and Christina and I have tattoos.
We each have an umbrella that says in Omnia Paratus.
Which means let's find the dictionary.
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Dictionary.
It means always ready for anything in Latin, um, which is pretty true to how we've all
lived our lives.
Yeah, let's do that.
Right with not much thought behind it.
Just kind of go with it.
But look, it's gotten us here.
It's gotten us here a few minutes in.
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It can't all be bad.
So most of my, um, ups, I needed help recalling from Kat and Christina were vehicular related.
Oh.
Um, apparently I used to be a very poor driver.
Used to be.
I would like to chime in on this one.
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I don't, I would hate to find out what it was like then if it was used to be.
I don't know if you would ever get in a car with me if you knew.
I don't experience.
I don't know that I would because I already have a hard time.
Um, I'm a passenger survivor when I get into Kylie's car.
She likes to go fast because she has sport mode.
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It's a fast car.
And maybe it's not sport mode on this one anywhere.
The old one had sport mode.
No, this one does have sport mode.
This has sport mode and sport mode S.
And if we're out on a country road, I mean.
Like on our way to Driftless Music Arts.
There's no way, there's no point in her even having to pay attention, um, to the road in
front of us or the speed limit times.
She just kind of does whatever, I mean, is whatever she feels like.
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I let the car drive itself.
It truly does.
It truly does.
Um, and so don't ride it in a car with her unless you have to.
Okay, go on.
I'm a better driver now that I'm a parent.
That's for sure.
I don't think that's true at all.
Well, that's because you don't have the comparison of my driving before I was a parent.
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Right.
But I think you're like a really good parent.
Right.
Like a really good one.
Just not a really good parent.
Like you don't only parents like your child, but you also are really good at parenting
all of the people around you when we need it.
Like in a good way.
Oh, in a really good way.
Because I feel like that, you know, we need that.
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Everybody does at some point and I feel like you're very good at it.
You're one of those people that's very good at, um, looking at things from a logical standpoint,
which I appreciate because I'm a, I like logic.
I need to know why things are the way they are.
And when I'm super emotional or height or stimulated really, I can't understand that.
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And so it's good to have like a grounding presence to be like, Hey, this is why that
is.
And I will counter with how I appreciate your, we'll call them more reactionary or emotional
responses, but in the context of forcing you to ask more questions about a certain situation,
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you see it in a way that's like, wait, that's not right.
I noticed that and I appreciate that perspective that you offer.
That's my Tism.
I'm living a lot more about my neurodivergent brain in the last like year than I ever have.
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But we compliment each other in that way.
I'm very objective.
I'm very logical.
You are always asking questions because life is bullshit, which is a really big part.
Part of it is that I have to ask these questions because I have to understand why things are
happening.
I can't just be told this is the way it is.
That doesn't work for me, but it's like why?
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But that gets me in so much trouble all the time because people think when I ask follow
up questions, I'm arguing or attacking when it's really like me trying to understand in
a very passionate way because I don't know how to just like be like here asking the questions.
It's like, well, what does that mean?
But like, why is it like that?
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Well, that like doesn't make any sense.
Why is it like this?
I need all of the context.
I need to know everything because I can't understand it unless I know why because I need to be
able to like figure out how I feel about that.
And what truly matters is how I feel about something.
It is.
So that's that.
But a lot of, as I had mentioned, I'm learning a lot about those things and myself because
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one very big thing that bonds and binds Kylie and I also is that we don't drink alcohol.
Nope.
We are five and eight years.
Seven and a half.
Seven and a half for Kylie.
Almost five for me.
Five next month of removing alcohol for my life.
Oh, it's so much nicer.
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Which is playing into a lot of our hopes.
Yeah.
I'd say most of my hopes were PBR and vodka related.
I don't remember my hopes.
I mean, I remember my hopes and I just work very hard to forgive myself for those hopes.
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We hope with grace now.
We try our best to hope with grace.
But it's it's hard and it comes up in different ways every day differently.
And I think it's very much a part of just trying to like understand ourselves and why
we do the things we do and yeah, it's tough.
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It's hard.
Yeah.
It all but it provides the clarity that we need to handle the hopes.
We were not close friends when one of us was still drinking because I'm pretty sure we
met after I had quit.
It was I think there it was right around.
There was just a little bit of overlap.
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The tiniest bit of overlap.
But yeah, who knows how that would have turned out.
Yeah, we just weren't like I was friends with all of your friends and like we knew of each
other but we never like got very close until like later on when I don't know if I was still
drinking.
I can't remember really.
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Honestly, if we found each other like after we were both like more and maybe we gravitated
towards each other because of that.
I think that's what it was because there wasn't a lot of us that were sober and still in the
Madison music scene which you know we live in Wisconsin.
The drinking culture here is world renowned.
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And I do just want to state quickly that just as we are not a political podcast we do not
intend to make this all about us being sober or not drinking.
It's just a part of it.
It's a part of who we are and it will come up from time to time but it is not like the
basis of this.
Although we will probably often have guests come on that are sober and that's part of
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their dreams that they'll want to share.
Because it's such a huge thing.
It's an amazing accomplishment and I'm so happy to see every day more and more people
around us making that choice.
It really makes life really awesome when you can sit and connect on a real level with people
and the more the better.
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Come join us.
Come join our cult.
Come join us.
We will talk a lot about cults because we're in a couple.
We're the one that we're part of.
Oh god.
So true.
Yeah, we will talk about them and our love of them and maybe talk about them.
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We will have a whole episode dedicated to cults and just how fascinating they are.
What is, what isn't, is it?
Is it a cult?
Is it a cult?
Is this, is this a cult?
I guess we'll see.
Anyway, what else?
What else is there?
What are you doing the rest of the day?
I have to go do a haircut.
Oh, that's my other, it's my other gig.
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So my real job, the one that I've had for 11 years, I own my own business.
It's called Kylie Shea Styles.
I'm a hairstylist.
I do haircuts, color, dreadlocks, facial waxing and a lovely time.
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She does my hair and is so good.
I get compliments on my hair every time I go there.
Well, even tonight.
My hair is the best.
You can't see it yet, but eventually you will and you're going to be like, oh my gosh,
I better book an appointment with her.
Yeah, immediately.
Hair is a lot of fun.
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It's my first passion.
I went to cosmetology school before I turned 21.
So had that life morphing year during one of the most tumultuous years of my life.
It was actually quite fascinating.
Cosmetology school is a wild ride.
But I made it out and I love it.
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I share space with two other hairstylists who have been doing hair far longer than me.
And it's wonderful.
It's downtown Madison, 316 East Wilson.
Highly recommend.
Yeah.
What else are you doing today besides doing hair?
After hair, I'm going to go pick up my kid.
He will make an appearance on this podcast for sure.
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Whether we like it or not.
You know what?
He's going to be so mad when I pick him up and tell him we recorded an episode with
that and he really wanted to be in the first show.
We didn't really anticipate recording a whole episode today.
I was like, there's no way we're going to record today.
We don't have anything like written down for the mole Kylie does, of course.
I have my mole.
Because she's made more organized than I am about that stuff.
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But from here on out, we will have more of a format to follow in the timeline.
So there won't be so many of these, oh what should we talk about?
Trollala.
Trollala.
But that's just like our brain as it is anyway.
Yeah.
There's an outline but we'll trail off.
Picking up the kid.
So picking up his name is Devere.
Yes, it's fancy.
It is a fancy name.
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It's so fancy.
It's my husband's middle name and it was his paternal grandfather.
He's currently enrolled at a Montessori school.
That's just on the other side of the neighborhood.
So it takes like two minutes to drive there.
Oh, you know what I forgot to tell you?
I didn't text this to you yesterday because it would make a little bit of good podcasting
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without getting into unnecessary details.
Is it gossip?
Sort of.
So my kid got punched in the face.
That is it.
We're not laughing at him.
We're laughing at the situation.
So we both.
We both use humor as a coping mechanism and people often take it as us being assholes.
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We are assholes but we use humor because it's an easy buffer to get through anything.
So my kid, he got punched in the face slightly.
There's a little bruise on his cheek.
That happened yesterday.
I sent an email and it sucks.
I don't like sending emails.
I've sent so many emails to this school.
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We have four months left and then he'll be moving on to other pastors.
We don't need to talk about details because I don't want to put anybody down.
Is this his first black eye?
God.
Yeah.
I think like intentionally he's had bruises before through rough play but kid came up
behind him and just socked him in the face.
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We don't like that.
We don't like that.
That's not a good thing to do.
Don't teach your kids not to do that.
Please.
Don't just punch kids in the face or anybody for that matter.
Don't punch people.
Violence is not a good move.
Violence is not the answer.
Violence is not play.
It is not play.
No.
It's not how we roll.
So it's tough because when you're dealing with kids that are five to seven years old,
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they're figuring out right versus wrong.
So in my email I said it's difficult to navigate stuff like this because I'm battling between
my need to protect and giving those grace who are still learning.
See my first instinct is don't do that.
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But that's where we differ with things.
She can stop and think about a situation and be like, maybe I shouldn't immediately set
them on fire.
Where my first instinct is immediately like find out where that kid lives, show up on
his doorstep.
Follow me.
It looks like Tom Petty.
And run away.
You can't do that.
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Shout out to one of my favorite movies.
Oh, God.
But yeah, that's a hard situation to handle.
I can imagine.
I'm not a mom.
I have a dog, but I don't have any children.
So don't even let me for a second think that I have any idea what I'm talking about when
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it comes to children or how they should be handled.
And neither do I.
But you have one.
So at least you get a little bit more say.
Like it's okay for you to be like, huh, and it's not okay for me to do that.
But I would like to also point out that with that, I only have one kid and I've never done
this before.
So I asked my sister who has three kids and she said that I was nicer than she would have
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been in the email.
But I also asked in the email, I asked for guidance because I'm like, you only work with
this age group year after year after year.
You know how these kids work better than I do.
What can we do as parents to help stop it, to help mitigate it?
There's like 10 freaking kids in the classroom.
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Should not be happening.
Right.
If there's only that many kids, I feel like, right, it's like, where do there's so many
things we can say about that?
That I don't know if we should necessarily touch on not being experts, but I'm not a
teacher also.
I am a teacher.
That's not true.
I'm not a teacher, but I teach Pilates.
So I teach not children.
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I teach adults.
She's a different kind of superhero.
Different kind of teacher.
Because teachers are superheroes.
They really truly are.
RIP Department of Education.
So that's going to be a thing.
The cat woke up.
She doesn't like the air horn sound, I think.
No, she doesn't.
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Right now.
So there's that.
Yeah, I don't know how to handle that.
That's a really hard situation.
And hopefully the teachers will respond and be able to implement something to help that.
I know that there's a saying, like, kids will be kids.
Boys will be boys.
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But when, like, why?
When did that become a thing?
And why do we constantly allow that kind of behavior to just be something that's like,
oh, OK, no big deal.
And how do you stop that?
Do the kids need yoga?
They do mindful meditation, actually, a lot in class.
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Devere knows how to lead a meditation session.
But something...
We should have them in here leading us on that.
Sometimes that would be a really great episode.
Yeah, a nice little dev segment.
But what I've noticed is, like, when kids are small, there's certain expectations and
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assumptions that just exist in our society, which feed the growth of each individual.
But what I noticed also that when kids are younger and they're fighting, let's say, it's
small things, like stealing toys, pushing kids into the dirt, saying mean things that
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they probably don't even know what they mean.
As they get bigger, those things also get bigger.
The name calling gets meaner and angrier, and the violence gets bigger, where instead
of the face, that's what concerns me is the stereotypes and those things can exist as
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they exist, but it's how you reframe it to move forward.
I think that matters, because the stereotypes are going to be there no matter what for our
entire lifetime.
Right.
And it's not getting any better.
No, it's not.
It's just getting worse.
Not getting any better.
Everything is bad.
Oh, yeah.
But at least you have our podcast to listen to.
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Yeah.
When you're not feeling like you're having such a great day, you can chime in and we'll
make you be like, hey, at least it's not that bad.
We're here to offer you some perspective.
So I think that's probably a pretty good first episode.
I don't know that we really need to try to push an hour at you.
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You know, as we're getting started, maybe when we have our ish together a little bit
more, are we allowed to swear on our podcast?
I think, fuck yeah, we're allowed to swear on our podcast.
I wasn't sure about that because I mean, I don't expect children to be listening to us
for when they're on the podcast.
I don't sense it myself.
So yeah.
So I think that is not allowed on our podcast.
We're also allowed to belch on the podcast.
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Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
So I think in a past life, I was maybe like an etiquette teacher or coach or something
like that because...
She does look like she should have a ruler in her hand.
At all times because there are just some things that are just like, like why?
I mean, I burped you and my boyfriend, my amazing, amazing boyfriend, Dan, he puts up
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with a lot of my burping.
But when she does it, it's just like a tsunami is coming in to like take over the whole room.
Right.
It fills you up as I empty myself.
And on that note.
On gases.
Yeah.
Well, thanks for...
If you tuned in, thanks for tuning in to help us just really crawl through this dumpster
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fire of our first episode, which is truly, I'm sure, going to be.
It's the fanciest dumpster fire you'll ever attend.
It's one of them.
Bring your nicest flannel and car hurts.
See, that wasn't involuntary.
That one wasn't on purpose.
That's just kind of what happens.
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We love our ops.
We love our ops.
So this is Karin and Kylie signing off with the cat.
The cat we couldn't get to meow.
One little one for us.
Can you give us some meow?
Just a little meow.
There she is.
Well, thank you.
And hopefully we still...
There she is.
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Hopefully you tune in for episode number two.
See you next time.
Thanks so much.
Oh, hey there. Didn't see you over there.
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Oh, well hello.
There's people here. Watched listening to us. I don't know if they're watching, they
won't be watching us yet.
No, not yet.
Eventually you'll be watching us.
Soonish.
Um, and that will be the day that all of your wildest desires come true.
So here's a question. Who are us?
Who are us?
Who are us?
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That's a great question. That's a very loaded question, actually.
Depending on who you're asking.
It really depends on the personality we choose to show up with that day.
Which personality are we going to be today, you think?
Well, I think at this present moment, I'm feeling a little, we're good. I think we're
at baseline, Karen. Today I'm Karen.
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So spicy.
Spicy. That's a very good point.
We're spicy because we have been sitting in this cold basement for about two hours now.
We're trying to figure out how to simply just make you hear our voices.
The simplest task of just hearing us speak has taken us two hours.
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But we got through it.
We did get through it. And are we still friends?
We're still friends.
Great.
All right. So who are Kylie today?
I'm Kylie. That's me.
And who is your baseline personality today?
I think also a little spicy.
A little spicy.
But why?
Well, because it took two hours to figure this out.
Yeah. We were hoping to have at least 15 episodes.
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We should have figured it out a little sooner, but we got there and that's okay.
Right. We did get there and that's really all.
Nothing really matters.
All right. Wait. It's on song like that. We'll probably get sued for having that clip on
there. I'll probably have to get ahold of whatever band that is.
Canceled for copyright infringement episode one.
Within the first two minutes of recording this episode, we are, I mean, we're taking
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polls. If anybody out there wants to bet on how long you think it will be until we actually
get canceled.
Oh, yeah.
That's been a big conversation between our friends that know that we're doing this.
So some people think that we can't even be produced.
So
Well, they're wrong.
They are very wrong.
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So this podcast is Opes and Dreams podcast.
Opes and Dreams.
You did see that when you clicked on the button. So you should know that already.
But why not explain what that means?
So what that means, actually, I have a, I have it written down what an op is.
Okay, great.
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So dictionaries are useful for finding out what we're doing.
Those are not all banned yet.
Not banned.
Not a banned book.
Dictionaries.
Go pick one of those up if you guys.
Oh, Lordy.
This is not a political podcast. It will have some sprinkles of politics because we are
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functional humans in this society.
So yeah, it's going to come up, but it's not a focal point.
It is not a focal point.
So a variant form of open as a verb and an adjective, op can mean to express surprise
or to alert someone or to express apology.
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Can you show me some examples of how you would use op as an expression or an apology?
Op.
I goofed that one.
Op.
Let me just, I'm just going to sneak right by you there.
Op.
I forgot to grab the ranch.
Op.
Let me just get past you there.
Oh, we already used that one, but you get the general idea.
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An old version would have been like, now, op din eyes, but we are not Shakespearean
gals yet.
Oh, is that how we get canceled?
Right.
You know, it could be a number of ways.
Another poll if anybody wants to not only guess when we get canceled, how?
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We get canceled.
Bonus points.
That's sort of our version of over under.
Yes, it sure is.
So then the other half of our podcast is dreams.
So how would you describe the dreams portion of opes and dreams?
Dreams can be goals.
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They can be inspirations, motivators, cautionary tales.
Accomplishments.
Accomplishments.
Which we really want to focus on because we are accomplished women.
We are a couple of accomplished women.
We do a lot.
We're entrepreneurs.
We sure are.
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We are self-employed.
We are also employees.
So we have various perspectives of adult women being...
It's still going.
Huzzah!
Minutes in.
Five whole minutes.
Already.
How do people do this for an entire hour?
Outlines.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
We got to have, like, structure.
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So that would be a good one.
So we have thought maybe about doing a theme every episode related to the opes and dreams.
Like sharing maybe an ope that happened to us that day or just an ope in life.
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And then at the same time sharing our dream or our goal or our achievements or, you know,
all of that.
Who knows if that's going to happen today because we're just so...
Our dream is that we figured out how to record this.
Our ope is that it took us two hours to do it.
Yeah, that's our first ope and dream.
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Oh, but not only that.
Something very special happened today about 22 minutes ago.
Kylie mentioned that she is a business owner and entrepreneur and she is one of the people
that organizes Driflis Music Gardens in the Driflis region of Wisconsin.
Yuba!
And today a really exciting event was released just momentarily.
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Do you want to tell us a little bit about that?
Thank you for that lovely segue.
You're welcome.
It rode very smoothly.
Great.
I did it.
The DMG as it's acronymed is bringing in a tour that is separate from the three music
festivals we host every year.
This is the Rowdy Summer Nights tour and we have the Kitchen Dwellers opening for our
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good friends, Leftover Salmon and the Infamous String Dusters.
It is Saturday, July 19th this summer in Yuba, Wisconsin and we are so excited!
It's going to be a bluegrass bash.
A bluegrass bash.
All of the banjos.
Oh, so many banjos.
So many banjos.
Which is never a bad thing.
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Never.
Unless you're like alone in the woods and you start hearing any banjos.
Or unless you hate banjo.
Right.
Which I don't know if, you know, that's smart for you.
I don't think we're friends with any people that hate banjos.
Near the Driflis region of Wisconsin you should probably embrace that.
Yeah, because you're going to hear it.
It gets loud out there.
On our brand new stage that we built last year.
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Which is all very exciting.
So a couple of questions I've already seen people asking online about this event.
Is there camping involved?
There is camping.
So although this is just a one night show, we are still Driflis Music Gardens and we
still want you to come hang out and come party.
So you can come Saturday and camp overnight.
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You can also come Friday and camp overnight and make a whole weekend out of it.
But there's not music all weekend, all day.
It's like the festivals.
So it is different.
It's going to be smaller.
We will have vendors and food.
Food.
Good.
Yeah.
That was my next question.
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Food vendors.
Because food is very important.
Especially if you're going to spend a day or a day's anywhere.
Especially in the middle of Wisconsin.
Which is, it really is in the middle of nowhere.
It really is.
And it's called Driflis.
I don't know if you guys know.
But Driflis means the glaciers did not flatten the earth.
You know I read that.
As they slid.
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I read that in an article yesterday that came out about Driflis Music Gardens.
You can read.
Dictionaries.
But an article came out about Driflis Music Gardens yesterday.
Which was incredible.
Yeah.
Did you watch some radio?
I was really impressed by that.
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So we had our good friends at Wisconsin Public Radio come out to one of our festivals last
summer.
Interviewed a bunch of our staff and volunteers.
Which side note, we can't do anything without our staff and volunteers.
Everybody that has put in an hour of volunteer help at DMG.
We are so grateful.
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And just to cut in there.
I've been a volunteer at Driflis Music Gardens for so many years now.
And it really is like such a fun opportunity.
So speaking of somebody that's done it for a long time, I highly, highly, highly recommend
putting in the time if you have it to be able to do that.
It's really, really fun.
And it's a great way to be a part of such a wonderful event.
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Or events.
There's several events that are put on every summer.
So it's just a really great community.
And it's really great to do that.
Anyway, go on.
So we, thank you, volunteer, please volunteer.
Go sign up.
We need, we need you.
Please volunteer for us.
So WPR came out and they got a bunch of footage.
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And then they interviewed Tim and Cricket who live on the land.
It's Cricket's family land in Yuba.
She's the sixth generation to occupy it.
And they've turned it from farming wheat and corn and cows to farming music.
There's a great video.
It will air on TV later this fall.
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But you can check it out on the socials.
It's all over the socials to watch the video.
They're super, it's super cute.
Is it going to be longer than the video that was in there?
It's like a full documentary.
Yeah, it's like a full segment.
Maybe we'll see us on it somewhere.
Maybe.
Actually, I'm surprised at us because knowing that there would be cameras there.
I'm surprised we weren't trying to like jump in the background as often as possible.
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Well, it's hard to see other cameras when our phones are in front of our faces taking
selfies constantly.
But also, because we're so busy.
We're just so busy working so that we wouldn't have even known that they were there, right?
That's actually the reason.
I had no idea they were there.
It's not a, not at all.
I didn't see them once.
I was so busy delegating.
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She does a very good job of delegating.
Just couldn't.
She can't do.
Really?
Really, that's the whole sentence.
Behind every woman who can do everything is a best friend that helps her and doesn't
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ever want to.
Right.
But will.
Right.
I don't want to, but I will.
That is my number one motto, which Kylie has heard from me many, many, many, many times,
especially out at Driftless.
Maybe it'll be part of the merch that we make stickers.
I don't want to, but I will.
Yeah, merch.
Let's talk merch.
We love merch.
We often sell merch for bands and for just various things, and that's a big part of our
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personalities.
It's a great way to see a show.
Merch maids, if you will.
But we like the idea of having merch.
Speaking of that, we will eventually have a great logo and all kinds of merch.
We're working on all of that.
It'll come.
It will be there.
Hopefully by the time you hear this, you'll see it.
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Yeah, we like organic growth.
We're just not going to push it.
We're not going to shove it down your throat.
Going with the flow.
Unless you come up to us like a baby bird.
Give me the merch.
Give me the merch.
We'll feed your baby bird mouths.
If you had a video on going of this right now, that would have been really funny to
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see.
Again, I'm really confused by the cats not making noises.
You couldn't keep it shut earlier.
What else should we talk about?
You know, I'm not sure.
Rarely are we out of things to talk about.
Because my brain is in a lot of different places.
Yeah, we are, you know, maybe two hours ago we would have been able to figure this out,
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but it's kind of hard when you're put on the spot like this.
But I guess like we don't know any better yet because we don't have an outline to keep
us on task, which we will have.
So this will get better as time goes on.
Obviously, this is episode one.
And we are just figuring this out just from the ground up.
We are really not following any rules or structure as you figured out already.
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What structure?
Is there a dictionary for that one?
There is.
And what a dictionary is, is it tells you what things are and what words mean.
So speaking of Opes, I went through and I was trying to think about my Opes from life.
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Oh, I don't know if we have enough time in this episode for that.
I know.
We've only got about 45 minutes.
I just want to point out that as I'm trying to think of Opes, I'm trying to think of
Opes to share.
My 20s came up a lot.
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And sometimes those are NSFW, which we don't need to share.
So I went to the source of my childhood, which are my other two best friends.
Never heard of them.
Ken, Christina.
Just kidding.
They're my besties in law.
Yes, besties in law.
We love you.
We do love you.
We will have you here.
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Oh yeah.
There will be.
So spoiler alert.
One thing we do have planned for this podcast is a big, I don't know if we're allowed to
say this without getting sued for licenses or any of that stuff, but we love the Gilmore
Girls.
Oh yeah.
We love it.
We are diehards.
So are her two best friends.
So is my best friend.
And one day our, one of our dreams is to get everybody here in the same room and just
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talk about it for an entire hour.
So if you like Gilmore Girls, that will be a really great episode.
If you don't, um, maybe skip it.
Yeah, don't, don't turn us on that day.
Probably missed that one.
But go on.
Kat and Christina and I have tattoos.
We each have an umbrella that says in Omnia Paratus.
Which means let's find the dictionary.
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Dictionary.
It means always ready for anything in Latin, um, which is pretty true to how we've all
lived our lives.
Yeah, let's do that.
Right with not much thought behind it.
Just kind of go with it.
But look, it's gotten us here.
It's gotten us here a few minutes in.
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It can't all be bad.
So most of my, um, ups, I needed help recalling from Kat and Christina were vehicular related.
Oh.
Um, apparently I used to be a very poor driver.
Used to be.
I would like to chime in on this one.
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I don't, I would hate to find out what it was like then if it was used to be.
I don't know if you would ever get in a car with me if you knew.
I don't experience.
I don't know that I would because I already have a hard time.
Um, I'm a passenger survivor when I get into Kylie's car.
She likes to go fast because she has sport mode.
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It's a fast car.
And maybe it's not sport mode on this one anywhere.
The old one had sport mode.
No, this one does have sport mode.
This has sport mode and sport mode S.
And if we're out on a country road, I mean.
Like on our way to Driftless Music Arts.
There's no way, there's no point in her even having to pay attention, um, to the road in
front of us or the speed limit times.
She just kind of does whatever, I mean, is whatever she feels like.
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I let the car drive itself.
It truly does.
It truly does.
Um, and so don't ride it in a car with her unless you have to.
Okay, go on.
I'm a better driver now that I'm a parent.
That's for sure.
I don't think that's true at all.
Well, that's because you don't have the comparison of my driving before I was a parent.
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Right.
But I think you're like a really good parent.
Right.
Like a really good one.
Just not a really good parent.
Like you don't only parents like your child, but you also are really good at parenting
all of the people around you when we need it.
Like in a good way.
Oh, in a really good way.
Because I feel like that, you know, we need that.
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Everybody does at some point and I feel like you're very good at it.
You're one of those people that's very good at, um, looking at things from a logical standpoint,
which I appreciate because I'm a, I like logic.
I need to know why things are the way they are.
And when I'm super emotional or height or stimulated really, I can't understand that.
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And so it's good to have like a grounding presence to be like, Hey, this is why that
is.
And I will counter with how I appreciate your, we'll call them more reactionary or emotional
responses, but in the context of forcing you to ask more questions about a certain situation,
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you see it in a way that's like, wait, that's not right.
I noticed that and I appreciate that perspective that you offer.
That's my Tism.
I'm living a lot more about my neurodivergent brain in the last like year than I ever have.
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But we compliment each other in that way.
I'm very objective.
I'm very logical.
You are always asking questions because life is bullshit, which is a really big part.
Part of it is that I have to ask these questions because I have to understand why things are
happening.
I can't just be told this is the way it is.
That doesn't work for me, but it's like why?
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But that gets me in so much trouble all the time because people think when I ask follow
up questions, I'm arguing or attacking when it's really like me trying to understand in
a very passionate way because I don't know how to just like be like here asking the questions.
It's like, well, what does that mean?
But like, why is it like that?
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Well, that like doesn't make any sense.
Why is it like this?
I need all of the context.
I need to know everything because I can't understand it unless I know why because I need to be
able to like figure out how I feel about that.
And what truly matters is how I feel about something.
It is.
So that's that.
But a lot of, as I had mentioned, I'm learning a lot about those things and myself because
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one very big thing that bonds and binds Kylie and I also is that we don't drink alcohol.
Nope.
We are five and eight years.
Seven and a half.
Seven and a half for Kylie.
Almost five for me.
Five next month of removing alcohol for my life.
Oh, it's so much nicer.
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Which is playing into a lot of our hopes.
Yeah.
I'd say most of my hopes were PBR and vodka related.
I don't remember my hopes.
I mean, I remember my hopes and I just work very hard to forgive myself for those hopes.
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We hope with grace now.
We try our best to hope with grace.
But it's it's hard and it comes up in different ways every day differently.
And I think it's very much a part of just trying to like understand ourselves and why
we do the things we do and yeah, it's tough.
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It's hard.
Yeah.
It all but it provides the clarity that we need to handle the hopes.
We were not close friends when one of us was still drinking because I'm pretty sure we
met after I had quit.
It was I think there it was right around.
There was just a little bit of overlap.
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The tiniest bit of overlap.
But yeah, who knows how that would have turned out.
Yeah, we just weren't like I was friends with all of your friends and like we knew of each
other but we never like got very close until like later on when I don't know if I was still
drinking.
I can't remember really.
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Honestly, if we found each other like after we were both like more and maybe we gravitated
towards each other because of that.
I think that's what it was because there wasn't a lot of us that were sober and still in the
Madison music scene which you know we live in Wisconsin.
The drinking culture here is world renowned.
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And I do just want to state quickly that just as we are not a political podcast we do not
intend to make this all about us being sober or not drinking.
It's just a part of it.
It's a part of who we are and it will come up from time to time but it is not like the
basis of this.
Although we will probably often have guests come on that are sober and that's part of
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their dreams that they'll want to share.
Because it's such a huge thing.
It's an amazing accomplishment and I'm so happy to see every day more and more people
around us making that choice.
It really makes life really awesome when you can sit and connect on a real level with people
and the more the better.
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Come join us.
Come join our cult.
Come join us.
We will talk a lot about cults because we're in a couple.
We're the one that we're part of.
Oh god.
So true.
Yeah, we will talk about them and our love of them and maybe talk about them.
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We will have a whole episode dedicated to cults and just how fascinating they are.
What is, what isn't, is it?
Is it a cult?
Is it a cult?
Is this, is this a cult?
I guess we'll see.
Anyway, what else?
What else is there?
What are you doing the rest of the day?
I have to go do a haircut.
Oh, that's my other, it's my other gig.
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So my real job, the one that I've had for 11 years, I own my own business.
It's called Kylie Shea Styles.
I'm a hairstylist.
I do haircuts, color, dreadlocks, facial waxing and a lovely time.
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She does my hair and is so good.
I get compliments on my hair every time I go there.
Well, even tonight.
My hair is the best.
You can't see it yet, but eventually you will and you're going to be like, oh my gosh,
I better book an appointment with her.
Yeah, immediately.
Hair is a lot of fun.
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It's my first passion.
I went to cosmetology school before I turned 21.
So had that life morphing year during one of the most tumultuous years of my life.
It was actually quite fascinating.
Cosmetology school is a wild ride.
But I made it out and I love it.
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I share space with two other hairstylists who have been doing hair far longer than me.
And it's wonderful.
It's downtown Madison, 316 East Wilson.
Highly recommend.
Yeah.
What else are you doing today besides doing hair?
After hair, I'm going to go pick up my kid.
He will make an appearance on this podcast for sure.
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Whether we like it or not.
You know what?
He's going to be so mad when I pick him up and tell him we recorded an episode with
that and he really wanted to be in the first show.
We didn't really anticipate recording a whole episode today.
I was like, there's no way we're going to record today.
We don't have anything like written down for the mole Kylie does, of course.
I have my mole.
Because she's made more organized than I am about that stuff.
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But from here on out, we will have more of a format to follow in the timeline.
So there won't be so many of these, oh what should we talk about?
Trollala.
Trollala.
But that's just like our brain as it is anyway.
Yeah.
There's an outline but we'll trail off.
Picking up the kid.
So picking up his name is Devere.
Yes, it's fancy.
It is a fancy name.
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It's so fancy.
It's my husband's middle name and it was his paternal grandfather.
He's currently enrolled at a Montessori school.
That's just on the other side of the neighborhood.
So it takes like two minutes to drive there.
Oh, you know what I forgot to tell you?
I didn't text this to you yesterday because it would make a little bit of good podcasting
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without getting into unnecessary details.
Is it gossip?
Sort of.
So my kid got punched in the face.
That is it.
We're not laughing at him.
We're laughing at the situation.
So we both.
We both use humor as a coping mechanism and people often take it as us being assholes.
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We are assholes but we use humor because it's an easy buffer to get through anything.
So my kid, he got punched in the face slightly.
There's a little bruise on his cheek.
That happened yesterday.
I sent an email and it sucks.
I don't like sending emails.
I've sent so many emails to this school.
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We have four months left and then he'll be moving on to other pastors.
We don't need to talk about details because I don't want to put anybody down.
Is this his first black eye?
God.
Yeah.
I think like intentionally he's had bruises before through rough play but kid came up
behind him and just socked him in the face.
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We don't like that.
We don't like that.
That's not a good thing to do.
Don't teach your kids not to do that.
Please.
Don't just punch kids in the face or anybody for that matter.
Don't punch people.
Violence is not a good move.
Violence is not the answer.
Violence is not play.
It is not play.
No.
It's not how we roll.
So it's tough because when you're dealing with kids that are five to seven years old,
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they're figuring out right versus wrong.
So in my email I said it's difficult to navigate stuff like this because I'm battling between
my need to protect and giving those grace who are still learning.
See my first instinct is don't do that.
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But that's where we differ with things.
She can stop and think about a situation and be like, maybe I shouldn't immediately set
them on fire.
Where my first instinct is immediately like find out where that kid lives, show up on
his doorstep.
Follow me.
It looks like Tom Petty.
And run away.
You can't do that.
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Shout out to one of my favorite movies.
Oh, God.
But yeah, that's a hard situation to handle.
I can imagine.
I'm not a mom.
I have a dog, but I don't have any children.
So don't even let me for a second think that I have any idea what I'm talking about when
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it comes to children or how they should be handled.
And neither do I.
But you have one.
So at least you get a little bit more say.
Like it's okay for you to be like, huh, and it's not okay for me to do that.
But I would like to also point out that with that, I only have one kid and I've never done
this before.
So I asked my sister who has three kids and she said that I was nicer than she would have
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been in the email.
But I also asked in the email, I asked for guidance because I'm like, you only work with
this age group year after year after year.
You know how these kids work better than I do.
What can we do as parents to help stop it, to help mitigate it?
There's like 10 freaking kids in the classroom.
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Should not be happening.
Right.
If there's only that many kids, I feel like, right, it's like, where do there's so many
things we can say about that?
That I don't know if we should necessarily touch on not being experts, but I'm not a
teacher also.
I am a teacher.
That's not true.
I'm not a teacher, but I teach Pilates.
So I teach not children.
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I teach adults.
She's a different kind of superhero.
Different kind of teacher.
Because teachers are superheroes.
They really truly are.
RIP Department of Education.
So that's going to be a thing.
The cat woke up.
She doesn't like the air horn sound, I think.
No, she doesn't.
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Right now.
So there's that.
Yeah, I don't know how to handle that.
That's a really hard situation.
And hopefully the teachers will respond and be able to implement something to help that.
I know that there's a saying, like, kids will be kids.
Boys will be boys.
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But when, like, why?
When did that become a thing?
And why do we constantly allow that kind of behavior to just be something that's like,
oh, OK, no big deal.
And how do you stop that?
Do the kids need yoga?
They do mindful meditation, actually, a lot in class.
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Devere knows how to lead a meditation session.
But something...
We should have them in here leading us on that.
Sometimes that would be a really great episode.
Yeah, a nice little dev segment.
But what I've noticed is, like, when kids are small, there's certain expectations and
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assumptions that just exist in our society, which feed the growth of each individual.
But what I noticed also that when kids are younger and they're fighting, let's say, it's
small things, like stealing toys, pushing kids into the dirt, saying mean things that
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they probably don't even know what they mean.
As they get bigger, those things also get bigger.
The name calling gets meaner and angrier, and the violence gets bigger, where instead
of the face, that's what concerns me is the stereotypes and those things can exist as
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they exist, but it's how you reframe it to move forward.
I think that matters, because the stereotypes are going to be there no matter what for our
entire lifetime.
Right.
And it's not getting any better.
No, it's not.
It's just getting worse.
Not getting any better.
Everything is bad.
Oh, yeah.
But at least you have our podcast to listen to.
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Yeah.
When you're not feeling like you're having such a great day, you can chime in and we'll
make you be like, hey, at least it's not that bad.
We're here to offer you some perspective.
So I think that's probably a pretty good first episode.
I don't know that we really need to try to push an hour at you.
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You know, as we're getting started, maybe when we have our ish together a little bit
more, are we allowed to swear on our podcast?
I think, fuck yeah, we're allowed to swear on our podcast.
I wasn't sure about that because I mean, I don't expect children to be listening to us
for when they're on the podcast.
I don't sense it myself.
So yeah.
So I think that is not allowed on our podcast.
We're also allowed to belch on the podcast.
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Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
So I think in a past life, I was maybe like an etiquette teacher or coach or something
like that because...
She does look like she should have a ruler in her hand.
At all times because there are just some things that are just like, like why?
I mean, I burped you and my boyfriend, my amazing, amazing boyfriend, Dan, he puts up
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with a lot of my burping.
But when she does it, it's just like a tsunami is coming in to like take over the whole room.
Right.
It fills you up as I empty myself.
And on that note.
On gases.
Yeah.
Well, thanks for...
If you tuned in, thanks for tuning in to help us just really crawl through this dumpster
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fire of our first episode, which is truly, I'm sure, going to be.
It's the fanciest dumpster fire you'll ever attend.
It's one of them.
Bring your nicest flannel and car hurts.
See, that wasn't involuntary.
That one wasn't on purpose.
That's just kind of what happens.
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We love our ops.
We love our ops.
So this is Karin and Kylie signing off with the cat.
The cat we couldn't get to meow.
One little one for us.
Can you give us some meow?
Just a little meow.
There she is.
Well, thank you.
And hopefully we still...
There she is.
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Hopefully you tune in for episode number two.
See you next time.
Thanks so much.
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