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In this episode, the host converses with Melissa Snow, an ADHD entrepreneur who has transitioned from teaching high school to corporate work, and ultimately to entrepreneurship. Melissa shares her journey of becoming a business owner, starting with an unexpected opportunity in creating medical records summaries for personal injury attorneys, and later evolving into a successful relationship and dating coach. Now, she runs 'Powerful Women Rising,' a platform supporting female entrepreneurs through authentic connections and networking. Diagnosed with ADHD just two years ago, Melissa talks about her experiences, including the common misconception of being 'lazy,' and the importance of working with one's brain rather than against it. She offers practical advice on how she stays organized, manages her business, and the value of having external support. The discussion also delves into the importance of networking in building a business, especially for introverts and those who find it challenging. Listeners are invited to join Melissa's networking events and learn more about organizing an ADHD brain.
00:39 Melissa's Journey to Entrepreneurship
05:10 Discovering ADHD as an Adult
08:51 Living with ADHD: Strategies and Insights
15:58 The Planner Dilemma and Embracing Imperfection
19:35 Creating Structure and Staying Organized
20:41 The Power of Brain Dumping Ideas
21:37 Setting and Achieving Goals with Support
24:00 Embracing Personal Routines and Flexibility
26:35 Transitioning in Business and Learning from Experience
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(00:00):
Hey, beautiful people.
We are gonna jump pretty quicklyinto this episode.
I just wanted to come on hereand.
Share with you a little bitabout my friend Melissa.
She is absolutely incredible.
She is a networking queen, andI'm so excited to not only
relate to her about A DHD whenit comes to entrepreneurship,
but talk about some of thethings that feel so internal,
(00:20):
feel like we can't necessarilytalk about them on a regular
basis.
'cause not everyone's gonna getit, let's go ahead and dive into
this episode.
Megs (00:27):
Welcome back to organizing an A DHD Brain.
I'm here with my good friend,Melissa Snow.
I am so excited to introduce hertoday.
Melissa, tell us a little bitabout you.
Melissa (00:35):
Hi.
Yes.
Thank you so much.
I'm so excited to be a guest onyour podcast.
I live in Colorado, lived inColorado my whole life.
I.
Started out doing all the thingsthat you were supposed to do.
Graduated from high school, wentto college, got my degree, took
me a little while.
I changed my major six times,and finally got my degree in
English.
I taught high school for aboutfour years and that was enough
(00:57):
for me.
And then, went into the morecorporate side of the world.
I was a personal injuryparalegal for many years.
And then fell intoentrepreneurship accidentally.
I was doing some, moonlightingon the side for a guy who had a
business doing medical recordssummaries for personal injury
attorneys.
(01:17):
And so I did some work for him.
He decided to shut down hisbusiness and he was like, Hey,
do you want all my clients?
And I was like, sure.
And overnight I was anentrepreneur with a full client
load making money, and I waslike, entrepreneurship is great.
Why doesn't everyone do this?
This is super fun.
so my next business after that,I got my life coaching
certification and I was a datingand relationship coach for about
(01:38):
six or seven years.
had a really successful podcastduring that time and I loved
that business.
I learned a lot about.
What it actually takes to be anentrepreneur and sales and
marketing and all of the thingsthat we don't really think about
when we're like, I'm gonna starta business.
We're just like, I just wanna dothe thing I wanna do.
I don't wanna do all that otherstuff.
(01:58):
and then about two and a halfyears ago, I transitioned to my
current business, which iscalled Powerful Women Rising,
and is really just aboutsupporting female entrepreneurs
in their growth journey.
It's really based off of acouple specific things.
One is the value of authenticityand showing up as yourself.
not trying to fit yourself intoa mold or trying to be like what
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you think you're supposed to beor act how you think you're
supposed to act to be asuccessful entrepreneur or to be
taken seriously.
and the other tenant of thebusiness is really just about
networking and growing yourbusiness through creating
genuine connections.
I have a podcast, anotherpodcast now, and run a community
online for female entrepreneursand it's super fun.
(02:45):
when I'm not working, I, like tobuy books and sometimes I read
them.
Usually I don't.
but I do really like to buythem.
I love cats.
I volunteer at a cat rescue herein Colorado Springs.
I have several cats of my own,and then any number of fosters
at any given time.
that's pretty much me.
Megs (03:06):
Oh, I love it so much.
Yeah.
If you are on my email list andhave downloaded my dopamine
menu, you know who Theodore is,who is my kitten.
You've watched him grow.
'cause I include a picture ofhim every two weeks or so.
And Melissa is his surrogate momfrom the very beginning.
Melissa (03:22):
Teddy is dopamine.
Megs (03:24):
He's on my menu too.
Like a 10 minute activity is tocuddle with him or to play a
game with him.
And it's really fun'cause likesometimes you genuinely just
forget about the things that youcan do in life.
And so having a menu to go to,to remind you of those things I
love your journey.
I have to point out a fewthings.
(03:45):
Changing your major six times,totally normal the more I talk
to people who are neurodivergentand have a DHD.
The more I realized how normalthat truly is, and I used to
beat myself up thinking that Iwas so wrong for wanting to do
all of these things and notbeing able to figure it out.
And then with theentrepreneurship journey like
(04:05):
trying out this and then tryingout that and then figuring out
what makes total sense.
Melissa (04:10):
Yeah.
Megs (04:11):
you and I first met when I went to your networking group
once and then twice because allthe women there are so
incredible.
And then I forget how ourfriendship truly began, but it
was just like, you're cool.
And I'm like, yeah, you're cooltoo.
And then here we are.
We think each other is cool,
Melissa (04:28):
Yeah.
Megs (04:29):
we hang out.
Sometimes I think our first liketrue hangout was the vision
board event.
Melissa (04:33):
Yeah, you came to the networking group and I got
secretly obsessed with you, andI kept my obsession to myself
for a while.
And then, yeah, you invited meto the vision board workshop,
and I was like, oh my gosh, shewants me to hang out with her.
And so I went and I hung outwith you, and then I was even
more obsessed.
Megs (04:53):
Which is so funny'cause I do that too.
I meet people and I'm like, ohmy God, they're amazing.
I wanna be their best friend.
But when I say I wanna be yourbest friend, I then have to hide
a little bit.
that was too strong.
Melissa (05:04):
Making friends as an adult can be very awkward.
Megs (05:07):
Yeah, it certainly is.
Okay, Tell us a little bit aboutyour journey, discovering that
you had a DHD.
Melissa (05:14):
Yeah, so I actually just got diagnosed, less than
two years ago.
I've always suspected that I hadit.
I was an eighties baby andA-D-A-D-H-D wasn't a thing then.
And if it was a thing, it wasonly something for the really
naughty boys school, right?
Like the little boys who werealways getting in trouble and
couldn't stay in their chair andjust were like completely out of
(05:36):
control.
that was the kid who had a DHD.
It wasn't me.
And so as an adult, I reallyfound, especially when I became
self-employed full-time and Iwas working from home, that was
when it really started to becomemore of a significant issue.
And I've heard that's actuallyreally common with women to get
(05:56):
diagnosed later in life either.
When they get out of school orwhen they start working from
home or become self-employed orsomething like that.
Because when you're in thestructure of school or you're in
the structure of a nine to fivejob, it's a little bit easier to
mask or cope with some of the ADHD symptoms.
And I think that was probablytrue for me.
(06:17):
And once I became self-employed,it just became much more
obvious.
I pursued a diagnosis because Iwanted to get medication.
And I also just wanted somevalidation.
'cause I remember my parentsasking me like, why?
Why does it even matter?
Like why is it important for youto have this diagnosis?
And I feel like after I wasdiagnosed, and even still, I
(06:39):
learn things that.
Help.
So many things make sense.
Like so many things from mypast.
And I can remember as a child,my room was always a mess, which
is hilarious because now I'mlike over the top neat, tidy,
organized, clean, but my roomwas always a mess.
(07:00):
And I can remember my momsending me to clean my room and
just standing in my room.
Crying because I didn't evenknow where to start.
I couldn't even see the floorand.
I also remember, I would havethese episodes where I would lay
in the hallway and I would justflail my arms and legs and I
would tell my mom, I'm goingcrazy.
(07:21):
those are the kind of thingsthat I look back on now and I'm
like, okay, that all makes alittle bit more sense now.
Why that was so overwhelming,this task of cleaning my room
and why I had these feelings andthese sensations and this
overwhelm that I couldn'texplain.
and the biggest thing for megetting diagnosed was the
realization that I'm not lazy.
(07:44):
I spent my whole life thinkingthat I was lazy and creating a
lot of frustration for myparents, especially because I
would like complete assignmentsand then not turn them in, or I
would not complete assignments,or I was just completely
uninterested in school.
My mom still jokes about how Iwould get really obsessed with
(08:07):
some hobby.
I decided I was gonna be a cakedecorator.
And so one year for Christmasthey got me all this cake
decorating stuff and she's like,you never decorated another cake
for the rest of your life.
And that's not entirely true,but it was a while.
and so just things like that Iwas like, okay, I spent my whole
life thinking something's wrongwith you.
(08:28):
Why are you like this?
why can't you just do whatyou're supposed to do?
Why can't you do it like yoursister does?
Why are you so lazy andunmotivated?
And when I got the diagnosis andI started to learn more about
what a DHD really was, so muchof that stuff made a lot more
sense, and I was able to have alot more grace and compassion
(08:50):
with myself.
Megs (08:51):
That's really beautiful and thank you for sharing that
because so many of us can relateto the being lazy and.
Also having a lot of things thatwe might start and not
necessarily finish.
I read something the other daythat was saying that they were
talking to their therapist andtheir therapist was like, what
if you had a hyper fixation or ahobby that you didn't try to
(09:12):
also make money off of?
What if you just had it as ahobby?
And they were like, how dareyou?
Melissa (09:17):
Why would I do that?
Megs (09:19):
do you remember what it was like realizing that you were
not lazy and what did thattransition look like for you?
Because I think a lot of peopleare still grappling with what it
truly means to not be lazy,because that's not a thing that
describes us, but it is a thingthat other people have labeled
us with for so long.
Melissa (09:40):
I think part of it was, it was very freeing and
empowering and a relief, becauseI feel like I spent a lot of
time and energy trying to makemyself be a different way.
I tried so hard, I even read abook about how to make yourself
a morning person and tried to doall of the things to be a person
(10:01):
who got up in the morning andwas wide awake and ready to
seize the day and got all thesethings done before eight
o'clock, and I just could nevermake myself be that person.
And so that relief of knowingyou're really just trying to fit
a square peg into a round holeand you can stop.
Like you can just try to find asquare hole, if that makes
(10:24):
sense.
And.
Megs (10:25):
Yeah.
Melissa (10:26):
I've just learned to find ways to work with myself
rather than against myself.
so being really aware, I hearpeople talk about this a lot in
terms of the seasons, likeunderstanding that there are
certain seasons where there arevery productive and there are
other seasons where.
It's the time to just go in andreflect and regroup.
(10:48):
And I hear women talk about thisa lot with their cycle and
understanding their cycle.
And there's days in your cyclewhere it's like, those are the
days you're gonna get everythingdone.
And then there's days in yourcycle where you're not gonna
wanna do anything.
And I feel like my A DHD kind ofgoes like that too.
and so just being able to givemyself that grace of Okay,
you're in the period of A DHDwhere you are not getting a lot
(11:12):
of stuff done, and so what isthe minimum you can get done
today?
Like, why don't you pick onething to get done and then you
can go take a nap or somethinglike that, and then.
Knowing that there will be otherdays where it's I don't need a
nap.
I semi love the hyper fixationdays.
'cause I just get so much done.
But, knowing that then there'sgonna be other days or times of
(11:33):
the day where I am super focusedand I can get a lot done and
just letting that be what it isinstead of trying to force
myself into something else.
Megs (11:45):
I really like that'cause it's interesting that you bring
that up.
'cause I was just chatting withmy digital sidekick this morning
and she was going into likehyper focus mode and I saw
myself doing it too, and I'mlike, don't forget to take care
of yourself because that'softentimes the first thing that
we let go when we go into thesemodes of.
(12:05):
Incredible productivity, butit's almost like we have to make
up for the time that we weretaking a nap or allowing
ourselves to rest, when reallyif we slow down a little bit and
we allow ourselves to do thingsat a normal pace, we still get
so much done.
But when we take care ofourselves, we get even more
(12:26):
done.
Melissa (12:27):
Yeah.
Megs (12:27):
that's the time when we go into those crazy modes of super
productivity.
That's the first thing thatgoes, is taking care of
ourselves and like breathing.
Melissa (12:38):
Yeah, and that's part of why I feel like it's helpful
to have that understanding too,is because before I would just
be in those modes and not evenrealize that's what was
happening.
And now having this diagnosisand this understanding of A DHD,
I'm like.
I can see this is what'shappening.
And so then when my brain'slike, no, you can't, you're not
(12:58):
gonna go to the bathroom, youdon't need to eat dinner, it's
fine.
Keep going.
I'm like, oh, I see what thisis.
And also I can take threeminutes to go to the bathroom.
So that's helpful too, just interms of having the
understanding and the awarenessand knowing this is what's
happening and I don'tnecessarily need to work through
dinner.
Megs (13:16):
What a beautiful way that you're explaining that too, it's
not as if our brain is changing,There's no curing A DHD, I do
think it's incredible that themore we know, the more that we
can talk ourselves out of someof these things, that our brain
is just going to naturally takeus on a journey
Melissa (13:32):
yeah, a hundred percent.
Megs (13:34):
And it's still gonna happen.
But the more you practice, themore you can say, okay, what if
I slowed down a little bit?
What if I just chilled?
Melissa (13:41):
sometimes I'll make myself reminders because my
brain doesn't always wanna kickin with the no, you can go to
the bathroom.
And this is one of the thingsthat, like coming back to that
acceptance piece is like, Iwould've never made a sticky
note before that says it's okayto go to the bathroom or don't
forget to eat dinner and put iton my computer screen, right?
Because my brain would've said.
(14:02):
that's dumb.
You don't need to make a stickynote that says that nobody else
makes a sticky note that saysthat.
Don't do that.
And so with that acceptancepiece is just if that's what you
need, who cares?
Megs (14:12):
Yeah.
Melissa (14:12):
care if there's anybody else on the world who makes a
sticky note that says, don'tforget to go to the bathroom.
If it works for you, it worksfor you.
And so that's been a big part ofthe journey too, is finding what
works for me and letting that beokay.
Megs (14:28):
I appreciate that so much.
In that specific example, andyou mentioned that earlier too,
it's like you've started to workwith your brain instead of
against it so that you canunderstand what you need in your
life.
And so when it comes to yourbusiness or when it comes to,
you have a neat and tidy homethat you have, and sometimes you
have more animals living in itthan the animals that you own,
(14:49):
Can you give us some otherexamples of how you work with
your brain in your space to helpyou live a life that makes sense
for you?
Melissa (14:57):
so the organization, of my desk and just my office space
is a big one for me.
And I used to try to just pushpast that and now I'll come in
here sometimes in the morningsand be like.
You are not gonna be nearly asproductive as you wanna be if
you don't do this first.
I had a senior foster cat whowas 20 and she lived in my
(15:18):
office and she was a bit of amess.
so I had to clean my office likeevery single day.
And there were some days that Iwas like, just start working.
But then the other part of mewas like, you're gonna feel so
much calmer and more peacefuland Like you have your shit
together if you just take 10minutes and clean this first.
So that's part of it.
(15:40):
I do a good doom pile now andthen, because even just like
having it sorted and stacked canfeel better than nothing, right?
Better than just like having itall over the place.
and then at least I know like Ican just tackle one at a time
'cause they are categorized andorganized.
I think part of it too isfinding some sort of Planner or
(16:03):
calendar or whatever systemworks for you.
and that is, that one makes melaugh'cause I know it's always
like a joke in the A DHDcommunity about like how many
planners we buy.
And I can't tell you how manyplanners I have in my desk
drawer that are like, havebetween a week and a month
filled out.
And then after that I'm like,Nope, I hate this planner.
Megs (16:24):
Yeah.
Melissa (16:25):
for a while I stopped using a planner and I just used
a to-do list and that was.
Good enough.
I've recently found one that isa little bit different, that has
like different columns fordifferent categories and so you
can put your tasks and yourto-dos and your reminders and
things in the different columns,and that's working really well
for me.
just trying the different thingsand being okay with okay, Sally
(16:48):
loves this planner and sheswears by it, but it is not
working for me, so let me trysomething different.
That's helped.
Megs (16:56):
That's awesome.
I think what's interesting aboutthe planner thing is it's not
necessarily that we can't useplanners or that they're
inefficient.
It's that we think that it'sgonna be the answer to
everything.
So we buy it and we get thisdopamine hit, and then we start
to use it and we're stillgetting the dopamine hit.
But then we're known to not beconsistent with
Melissa (17:16):
Right.
Megs (17:16):
so because we're not consistent now, we haven't used
it for a week.
why would I go back to it now?
It's not a failure.
It's just simply that youweren't consistent for that
amount of time.
You are allowed to go back toit.
just won't feel as good as itdid when you initially bought it
and when you initially startedfilling it out.
Now it's gonna feel a little bitdifferent, and that's the
uncomfortableness that wesometimes have to push past, and
(17:39):
you're allowed to buy theplanner.
You just are also allowed to goback to it when it doesn't feel
as good
Melissa (17:44):
It's so funny that you say that because this planner
that I have, that I'm using now,I always fill it out on Monday
mornings, and for some reason,Monday I forgot to do it.
And so yesterday morning I waslike, oh man, forgot to do the
planner.
Was like, I just won't do itthis week.
And I was like, it's Tuesday.
I'm like, you have six moredays.
Fill out your planner.
But it's, yeah.
(18:05):
It's funny how our brain is oh,nope.
Ruined.
Megs (18:08):
Yep.
It's like this.
It's the perfectionist mindset,right?
if we can't do it, then whywould we do it?
It's the same with the dietmentality and all of these other
things.
I have to share this with you'cause you're gonna find this
hilarious.
So I made a cake for Cora lastyear for her birthday.
She was turning five.
I had great intentions.
(18:28):
I thought for sure this wasgonna be like my new adventure.
I was going to be a cakedecorator, which is probably why
I laughed so hard when youoriginally were talking about it
a minute ago.
'cause I'm like, I'm gonna bereally good at this I wasn't, it
turned out awful.
It looked hideous with sparkles,
Melissa (18:46):
I mean that probably helped.
Yeah.
It's okay to not be the best.
Megs (18:52):
It is okay.
Even Charlotte, my 7-year-old,she was like, Cora, I just want
you to know that mommy triedreally hard
Melissa (18:59):
Oh
Megs (19:00):
just needs some more practice at doing this.
And but it's things like that wejust have to realize that it's
okay to come back to it andlearn from what we did
Melissa (19:09):
I heard somebody say once, if you have a bike and
your bike gets a flat tire, areyou just gonna throw the whole
bike away?
No, you're probably just gonnapump up the tire or get a new
tire.
But that's what we wanna do.
oh, I missed one day on myplanner, so I'm just not gonna
do the planner all week.
Megs (19:26):
because you know your brain, you're now challenging
yourself.
They're like, it's fine that Ididn't do it yesterday.
Yesterday I got to fly by theseat of my pants.
And live in the wind of timetoday, I might create some more
structure around my life and tryto abide by this time thing that
people like to live by, And youget to discover the different
ways you approach the day withintention.
Melissa (19:50):
That's the crazy part is that we keep the broken bike
because we're like, one of thesedays this new bike is gonna
break and then I can use partsfrom the old bike to fix this
one.
And then when the new bikebreaks, you think we're gonna do
that?
No.
We get a new bike and now wehave two broken bikes and a new
one.
Megs (20:09):
We've got the greatest ideas.
It's just that sometimes wedon't take the action on them,
Melissa (20:13):
Yeah.
Megs (20:14):
you have the greatest ideas when it comes to your
business.
So when we're thinking abouttaking action on all of these
things, how do you stayorganized in your business and
make sure that your.
fulfilling your goals.
You have a podcast, you have thenetworking group that you
manage, but you also have anetworking group that you
facilitate and then you do allof these other things too.
(20:35):
How do you keep all of thatgoing?
Melissa (20:38):
I have help.
That's part of it.
And not help in terms of likeoutsourcing and delegation, but
help in terms of, I do have a VAand she's amazing, but one of
the things that she's the mosthelpful with is She created a
Slack channel.
we have a number of Slackchannels, but one of the ones
she created for me is calledBrain Dump.
And she's like, anytime you havea great idea, just put it in
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there.
And so I do, and that helpsbecause then sometimes I get
distracted because I'm workingon something and then I have
this great idea and I think Ihave to act on this great idea
right now.
Or it's gonna be gone forever.
And so that helps me stayfocused on what I'm doing
because I'm like, okay, it's notgone forever.
It's in the brain dump.
And it also helps because thensometimes I go back to it and
(21:23):
I'm like, okay, that actuallywasn't that great of an idea.
and sometimes I go back to itand I'm like, yeah, that was a
great idea.
And then she helps me actuallybreak that great idea down into
Here's the steps that we need totake to make that great idea
actually happen.
I also have recently hired,Jessica Millhiser, who you were
on my podcast with recently, andshe is all about like business
(21:45):
systems and, strategies andprocesses and just helping you
streamline so you can get thingsdone.
And that's been really helpfulfor me because she's really
helped me set like.
Annual goals and then figure outhow to break those annual goals
into quarterly goals.
And then we break the quarterlygoals into monthly goals and
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being able to break it down thatway and have support breaking it
down that way.
and.
And help figuring out what toprioritize, like what to do
first and when to do it andwhen.
And sometimes on our Zoom call,she will have me like actually
pull up my calendar and okay,let's find where you're gonna
time block in every single oneof these things.
So like, all these things yousaid you were gonna do this
(22:27):
month now are on your calendar.
And so just having thataccountability and also somebody
to help me work through it andbreak it down has been really
helpful.
and that's the kind of thingtoo, one of the things that you
asked me before this podcast wasabout what advice I would give
to people who have a DHD,especially if they're newly
diagnosed.
(22:48):
And that's one of the biggestthings I think, is like figuring
out what kind of help andsupport you need and not being
afraid to get it for so long Ithought you should be able to
just motivate yourself, like whydo you need somebody else to
hold you accountable?
Or like the idea of coworking orbody doubling is so weird to
(23:08):
some people.
Like, why would you do that?
I added a weekly coworking callto the powerful women rising
community, for so long I triedto tell myself like, you don't
need to do that.
You don't need to set a timer.
You don't like.
Just be a normal person and doit the way normal people do it.
And my life has gotten so mucheasier since I have just
accepted like, this is thesupport and the help I need, and
(23:31):
this is what works for me andthere's no shame in asking for
it and getting it.
And those are the things thatreally help me stay organized
and stay on task and help mealso be less distracted, I
think.
Megs (23:46):
what's really interesting about how you're saying that is
like finding the things thatwork for you and not just
because they're neurotypicalfriendly or neurodiverse
friendly.
It's you friendly.
So you had mentioned that youwanted for so long to wake up
early and then just found thatwasn't your thing.
(24:07):
I have wanted for so long towake up early and I found that
it is my thing.
here's the difference though.
I knew I needed time for myselfbefore my kids got up in the
when I would have that time formyself and my kids got up in the
morning, it made all thedifference in the world in my
day.
Melissa (24:25):
Yes.
Megs (24:26):
I'm still a night person for the most part, but I have
figured out a way to.
Manipulate my brain into gettingup earlier in the morning.
There is a lot of advice outthere that says neuro with a DHD
can't get up earlier in themorning and that's not gonna
make you thrive.
(24:47):
So don't just take that advice.
But you've got to figure outwhat works for you.
And if you have a DHD, itdoesn't mean that something is
gonna work for you absolute, andsomething is not gonna work for
you absolute.
It's just that you've gotta tryit, you've gotta fail at it, and
you've gotta figure out whatthat failure is telling you and
do you wanna overcome thatfailure or not?
Because you get to freakingdecide You're still a human that
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gets to make the decisions onwhat routines work for you and
what doesn't.
Melissa (25:14):
Yeah.
Megs (25:15):
I think that's what's cool is that you don't have to wake
up at five in the morning to besuccessful and to be a badass
entrepreneur.
You get to decide what works foryou.
but I really appreciate thatbecause while we're told so many
things, you just gotta figureout what's right for you in the
end of it.
Melissa (25:33):
Yeah, and sometimes it changes and you can be okay with
that too, If I woke up tomorrowand magically had a 5-year-old,
maybe I would be more motivatedto get up earlier.
Or, I'm thinking of a time in mylife where, I was much younger,
but I would get up every morningat four 30 because I did a boot
camp at five.
I can get up early.
(25:54):
I'm.
Capable of it.
but now being self-employed andnot having children, not having
human children and having catchildren who are awake at 3:00
AM when seven o'clock comes, I'mlike, I don't wanna get up right
now.
And it's okay to not,
Megs (26:11):
Yeah,
Melissa (26:11):
and it's okay if that changes someday.
Megs (26:14):
it totally is.
I do find that when I shake upmy routine a little bit, that
helps me.
'cause then my brain is Ooh,something new.
So you are an entrepreneur andyou've done a lot of things.
You told us a little bit aboutwhat your history was and where
you've come from.
You were a relationship coach,and now you focus primarily on
networking.
(26:35):
did you know that it was time totransition in your business from
one thing to where you are now?
Melissa (26:42):
That's a great question because I don't know if it's
just entrepreneurship or if it'sa DHD or maybe a little bit of
both, but I often haveexperiences where I will do
something for a month and thenI'm like, okay, I'm done doing
this.
Let's do something else.
And so knowing when is the timethat's okay, it's really time to
do something else.
(27:03):
And when is the time?
That's okay, no, this is justyour brain saying okay, it's
time to do something else.
But really it's not, can be alittle bit tricky.
And for me it was a series ofthings happening like.
Those little whispers that youget from the universe that are
like, it's time to do somethingdifferent.
And you're like, no, I'm notlistening to you.
Like I have spent so much timeand so much money and so much
(27:24):
energy building this business.
We're not doing something else.
And then it just keeps gettinglouder and louder.
And for me.
The big thing was, the summerthat I shut down my coaching
business.
I hadn't shut it down yet, but Iwas thinking about it.
I woke up one day and I got onFacebook and my Facebook account
had been deleted.
And at that point I had aFacebook group for single women
(27:48):
that had about 3000 women in it.
I had a book club for singlewomen that I did, and they were
all in a Facebook group.
I had about 300 women in thatgroup and they were all gone
'cause I had not learned thelesson that you need to make
someone else an admin of yourFacebook group just in case this
happens so they can let you backin.
I was upset about it for awhile, and then the other part
(28:11):
of me was like, okay, maybe thisis just the universe telling you
like you're done.
And maybe the universe knew thatI was gonna drag my feet on this
for another year and was like,here, let me just make this easy
for you, like you are done.
so that was part of it and partof that process too was
realizing that.
(28:32):
Initially, it felt likeeverything I had done in my
relationship coaching businesswas for nothing because now I
was starting all over with atotally different business and
realizing that I actually did apodcast episode on this and I
called it like starting againversus starting over.
Because I realized like you'reactually not starting over.
(28:53):
You're taking everything thatyou learned in the last seven
years, whether it was aboutbuilding a business or about
what it takes to have asuccessful relationship, and
you're using all of that tobuild the next business, which
is going to make it like so muchsimpler and easier and better
because you have all thatexperience and that knowledge.
And it's really interestingbecause.
(29:15):
when I talk about networking, Ialways say networking happens
anywhere that you're building aconnection with another person.
So essentially networking isrelationships, like that's what
it is.
Whether it's a relationship withsomebody that you see once a
month at your networkingmeeting, or it's a relationship
with somebody that end up havingcontact with on a more regular
(29:35):
basis.
There's still some basicfundamentals of relationship
building that.
Apply whether you are dating andtrying to find love, or you are
networking and connecting withpeople and building your
business that way.
And so a lot of it, a surprisingamount of it has transferred
over, which is interesting.
Megs (29:55):
That makes so much sense, right?
You're not starting fromscratch.
You're building on a foundationthat you have been working hard
on.
So obviously you're not teachingthe same things that you once
were, but so much of it hasfoundational elements that are
so similar,
Melissa (30:10):
Yeah,
Megs (30:10):
so why networking?
Melissa (30:12):
in my experience building my coaching business, I
spent so much time and money on.
All the things that I thoughtwere gonna be the thing that I
was missing, like this is what Ineed to finally succeed.
This is what I need to finallystart making consistent income.
And there's a lot of goodmarketing out there, there's a
(30:32):
lot of good sales people outthere, and it is appealing when
you've been in business for ayear or two years and you're
still not making money it's veryeasy to believe that Nancy can
tell you how to make six figuresin 90 days, and all you have to
do is pay her$10,000 for hercourse or whatever it is, right?
(30:53):
And so we're like, oh, thankGod.
Here's the answer finally.
And when I looked back on.
My experience building mycoaching business, what I
realized was none of thosethings were ever the answer.
And that doesn't mean therewasn't value in them, there was
in many of them.
But the thing that hadconsistently made me money and
brought me clients was therelationships that I had built
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and the connections that I hadmade.
I knew I wanted to be a part ofempowering.
Female entrepreneurs and Irealized that one of the best
ways I could do that was to helpthem stay focused on this
connection and relationshipbuilding piece and not get so
caught up in thinking that theyneed all of this other stuff.
(31:37):
I talk to women all the time whoare either.
Struggling to make consistentincome, or they're making
consistent income, but they'restruggling to get to the next
level.
And they're spending all thistime in their office, like
redoing their sales page,building a new funnel, planning
a webinar, like all of thethings.
(31:58):
And I'm like, why don't you stopwhat you're doing and go out in
the world and start havingconversations with humans?
Megs (32:06):
Yeah.
Melissa (32:06):
Nobody's coming to your webinar if they don't know that
you exist.
And if they don't have aconnection with you, none of
this is, and again, all of thatis important stuff.
It's not that you can build abusiness without it.
I think there's a lot of peopleselling like, this is the one
thing that you need.
no, you need all of thesethings.
But at the core of it is havingconnections and relationships
(32:32):
with people.
And so that's what I wanted todo.
Megs (32:35):
I love what you do too.
Melissa (32:37):
networking for me was also and continues to be
something I really like talkingabout because I think there's an
assumption that networking is agreat business growth strategy
for people who are extrovertedand.
Confident and not awkward inconversations and super, like
charming and charismatic.
Like we expect those people tobe good at networking when we
(33:00):
think of networking.
and one of the reasons that Ireally like talking about it and
being the face of networking fora lot of people is because I'm
not like that.
I have my charming moments, butfor the most part, I am an
introvert.
I would almost rather.
Always be at home than out inthe world.
I can be very shy, I can be veryanxious, I can be very awkward
(33:21):
in conversations, and I stillhave been able to build a
successful business throughnetworking.
And I wouldn't even say it's inspite of those things.
I would say it's because ofthose things.
Like one of the things that.
draws my people to me is thatauthenticity and that realness
and that like sometimes I'mawkward and here we are and it's
(33:42):
okay.
and it gives other peoplepermission to be the same way
and that is appealing to them.
And so I like being able to showpeople that there is a way to.
Build your business throughnetworking, while still staying
true to yourself and finding theway to do it that feels good to
you as opposed to trying to makeyourself be the like Joe
(34:07):
Schmoozer used car salesman,happy hour guy that we all think
of as that's what networking isand it's actually really not.
Megs (34:16):
what's interesting, as you say this is when I first started
my business, I thought that Ihad to have such, such a great
social media presence.
I thought that I had to have somany likes and so many
followers, and then I would beable to be successful.
It was then that I realized thatI was successful because of the
(34:36):
people that I knew and thepeople that I continued to talk
to.
Melissa (34:40):
Yes.
Megs (34:41):
each and every one of my clients either came from my
podcast or came from a friendwho had referred them, or a
friend who had told them aboutme.
and I think what's sofascinating about this.
Social media is great.
In some cases, and I've had somany podcasts, guests that I've
met through social media, andit's really truly through that
(35:03):
connection.
And I have a friend who.
Told me she hated networking.
I had mentioned it in one of ourpodcast groups.
I was like, let's all network.
I created this whole schedule sothat we could all get together
and get to know each other alittle bit more, which was
really fun.
And she told me, she's I don'treally like networking.
She's an introvert.
She doesn't wanna put herselfout there.
She wants to put herself outthere, but she's like, I don't
(35:25):
really see the benefit of it.
So because she said that it wasthen.
That I decided to let her knowevery time something that was
networking was positivelyimpacting her in her life.
Melissa (35:38):
You are like, I'll show you.
Megs (35:40):
She loves and hates me at the same time, and I am who I
am.
She accepts me for who I am, butit's oh, because you told me
about that.
I told you about her and nowshe's connected with you and now
follows you.
So do you see how that createdthis connection and it's just so
fun because.
The more you talk to people, themore that you're able to truly
(36:00):
express what you're doing too.
I just met someone today and Ihad looked at our Instagram
page, and it wasn't until.
I spoke with her in real lifetoday that I truly understood
what she did.
she's like, but I don't know howto tell people what I do.
And I'm like, that makes sense.
It makes total sense.
And then I immediately thoughtabout your group and I thought
(36:21):
about, so like it's just reallyneat to be able to make.
Real connections with otherhumans who genuinely wanna be
out there helping people.
But it's crazy because thepeople that genuinely wanna be
out there helping people are thepeople that don't know how to
tell you what they're doingbecause it can feel so
uncomfortable.
Melissa (36:37):
part of that is finding the structure and the format of
networking that you like andthat works for you.
some people really like thehappy hours that have no
structure.
That's just come and schmoozeand talk to people and.
Insert yourself inconversations.
That's like my worst nightmare.
but you gimme a littlestructure.
You tell me like, sit at thistable for the next 10 minutes
(36:58):
and you're gonna talk to thosepeople about this topic.
I'll do that all day long.
So trying different formats andsometimes we don't like the big
group.
Sometimes we just wanna talk toone person or we would just
wanna talk in a small group.
And so finding places where youcan do it in a way that works
for you is very helpful too.
Megs (37:18):
So tell us about your groups that you hold.
Melissa (37:21):
Yeah.
I host a monthly virtual speednetworking event for female
entrepreneurs that people fromall over the world join.
it's super fun.
We usually have between 60 and80 women on those calls, and we
do breakout rooms and havetopics to discuss in the
breakout rooms.
and that's a really goodopportunity, especially for
people who think that they don'tlike networking or.
(37:43):
Who feel like anxious and startlike sweating and getting hives
when they think aboutnetworking.
It's very like low stress, notas intimidating as like
physically walking into a roomof a bunch of strangers.
and I always say if you can getfreaked out, you can just
pretend like you don't have agood connection and then you're
gone.
Like you can't do that if you'rein an actual room.
(38:04):
So I host those once a month.
And then I also have thePowerful Women Rising community,
which is, for femaleentrepreneurs.
And it's a mix of networking.
We have mastermind calls.
at the rockstar level we do alot specifically with
networking.
so We have a networking labwhere we practice different
things related to networking andnot in like a cheesy role play
(38:27):
way, but like actually figuringout like, how do we do this
better?
Or, I came into this situationand I wasn't really sure how to
handle it.
We talk a lot about like, how dowe have conversations that
aren't small talk without beinglike.
So person I just met.
Tell me about your, worstchildhood traumas, how do we
find something in the middle?
(38:47):
and so yeah, there's just,there's a lot involved in the
powerful Women rising community,and I did that intentionally so
that the connection would justbe built in so that you don't
have to have 50 coffee dates.
You don't have to have 50 Zoomcalls with the people in the
community every month to makesure that you're building those
relationships and that you'restaying top of mind with them.
(39:07):
You're showing up to theMastermind, the coworking calls,
the networking lab, things likethat, and your relationships are
growing organically, which, isvery fun and also a lot more
comfortable for most people.
Megs (39:18):
how can people get in touch with you and join a
networking call or join yourcommunity?
Melissa (39:23):
Yeah, the best way is just to go to my website, which
is powerful women rising.com.
you can find my podcast on thewebsite.
You can find, there's an eventsection that talks about the
upcoming virtual speednetworking events, if you wanna
check one of those out.
and then there's alsoinformation about joining the
Powerful Women Rising Communityon there.
Megs (39:40):
Melissa, thank you so much for joining us today.
any last words of wisdom you'dlike to impart?
Melissa (39:46):
I just will reiterate the importance of giving
yourself grace.
Being compassionate andunderstanding with yourself, not
being judgmental with yourselfor telling yourself like you
should be able to do somethingor you shouldn't have to do it
this way.
This should be easier for you.
just accepting where you're atand what you need in order to be
(40:06):
successful and letting that beokay.
Megs (40:10):
Thank you so much, Melissa.
It was great having you on.
Melissa (40:12):
Thank you so much for having me.
Isn't Melissa amazing?
She has a podcast too, so checkher out.
All of her links are in the shownotes below, if you wanna join
One of her amazing networkingevents coming up, she has given
us a coupon code to use toattend for free.
So go to the show notes below,when you go to pay, use the
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We even have a stagnant room, soif you wanna join there with
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It is an incredible proventechnique to do things with
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Have a great day.
Hey, beautiful people.
We are gonna jump pretty quicklyinto this episode.
I just wanted to come on hereand.
Share with you a little bitabout my friend Melissa.
She is absolutely incredible.
She is a networking queen, andI'm so excited to not only
relate to her about A DHD whenit comes to entrepreneurship,
but talk about some of thethings that feel so internal,
(00:20):
feel like we can't necessarilytalk about them on a regular
basis.
'cause not everyone's gonna getit, let's go ahead and dive into
this episode.
Megs (00:27):
Welcome back to organizing an A DHD Brain.
I'm here with my good friend,Melissa Snow.
I am so excited to introduce hertoday.
Melissa, tell us a little bitabout you.
Melissa (00:35):
Hi.
Yes.
Thank you so much.
I'm so excited to be a guest onyour podcast.
I live in Colorado, lived inColorado my whole life.
I.
Started out doing all the thingsthat you were supposed to do.
Graduated from high school, wentto college, got my degree, took
me a little while.
I changed my major six times,and finally got my degree in
English.
I taught high school for aboutfour years and that was enough
(00:57):
for me.
And then, went into the morecorporate side of the world.
I was a personal injuryparalegal for many years.
And then fell intoentrepreneurship accidentally.
I was doing some, moonlightingon the side for a guy who had a
business doing medical recordssummaries for personal injury
attorneys.
(01:17):
And so I did some work for him.
He decided to shut down hisbusiness and he was like, Hey,
do you want all my clients?
And I was like, sure.
And overnight I was anentrepreneur with a full client
load making money, and I waslike, entrepreneurship is great.
Why doesn't everyone do this?
This is super fun.
so my next business after that,I got my life coaching
certification and I was a datingand relationship coach for about
(01:38):
six or seven years.
had a really successful podcastduring that time and I loved
that business.
I learned a lot about.
What it actually takes to be anentrepreneur and sales and
marketing and all of the thingsthat we don't really think about
when we're like, I'm gonna starta business.
We're just like, I just wanna dothe thing I wanna do.
I don't wanna do all that otherstuff.
(01:58):
and then about two and a halfyears ago, I transitioned to my
current business, which iscalled Powerful Women Rising,
and is really just aboutsupporting female entrepreneurs
in their growth journey.
It's really based off of acouple specific things.
One is the value of authenticityand showing up as yourself.
not trying to fit yourself intoa mold or trying to be like what
(02:21):
you think you're supposed to beor act how you think you're
supposed to act to be asuccessful entrepreneur or to be
taken seriously.
and the other tenant of thebusiness is really just about
networking and growing yourbusiness through creating
genuine connections.
I have a podcast, anotherpodcast now, and run a community
online for female entrepreneursand it's super fun.
(02:45):
when I'm not working, I, like tobuy books and sometimes I read
them.
Usually I don't.
but I do really like to buythem.
I love cats.
I volunteer at a cat rescue herein Colorado Springs.
I have several cats of my own,and then any number of fosters
at any given time.
that's pretty much me.
Megs (03:06):
Oh, I love it so much.
Yeah.
If you are on my email list andhave downloaded my dopamine
menu, you know who Theodore is,who is my kitten.
You've watched him grow.
'cause I include a picture ofhim every two weeks or so.
And Melissa is his surrogate momfrom the very beginning.
Melissa (03:22):
Teddy is dopamine.
Megs (03:24):
He's on my menu too.
Like a 10 minute activity is tocuddle with him or to play a
game with him.
And it's really fun'cause likesometimes you genuinely just
forget about the things that youcan do in life.
And so having a menu to go to,to remind you of those things I
love your journey.
I have to point out a fewthings.
(03:45):
Changing your major six times,totally normal the more I talk
to people who are neurodivergentand have a DHD.
The more I realized how normalthat truly is, and I used to
beat myself up thinking that Iwas so wrong for wanting to do
all of these things and notbeing able to figure it out.
And then with theentrepreneurship journey like
(04:05):
trying out this and then tryingout that and then figuring out
what makes total sense.
Melissa (04:10):
Yeah.
Megs (04:11):
you and I first met when I went to your networking group
once and then twice because allthe women there are so
incredible.
And then I forget how ourfriendship truly began, but it
was just like, you're cool.
And I'm like, yeah, you're cooltoo.
And then here we are.
We think each other is cool,
Melissa (04:28):
Yeah.
Megs (04:29):
we hang out.
Sometimes I think our first liketrue hangout was the vision
board event.
Melissa (04:33):
Yeah, you came to the networking group and I got
secretly obsessed with you, andI kept my obsession to myself
for a while.
And then, yeah, you invited meto the vision board workshop,
and I was like, oh my gosh, shewants me to hang out with her.
And so I went and I hung outwith you, and then I was even
more obsessed.
Megs (04:53):
Which is so funny'cause I do that too.
I meet people and I'm like, ohmy God, they're amazing.
I wanna be their best friend.
But when I say I wanna be yourbest friend, I then have to hide
a little bit.
that was too strong.
Melissa (05:04):
Making friends as an adult can be very awkward.
Megs (05:07):
Yeah, it certainly is.
Okay, Tell us a little bit aboutyour journey, discovering that
you had a DHD.
Melissa (05:14):
Yeah, so I actually just got diagnosed, less than
two years ago.
I've always suspected that I hadit.
I was an eighties baby andA-D-A-D-H-D wasn't a thing then.
And if it was a thing, it wasonly something for the really
naughty boys school, right?
Like the little boys who werealways getting in trouble and
couldn't stay in their chair andjust were like completely out of
(05:36):
control.
that was the kid who had a DHD.
It wasn't me.
And so as an adult, I reallyfound, especially when I became
self-employed full-time and Iwas working from home, that was
when it really started to becomemore of a significant issue.
And I've heard that's actuallyreally common with women to get
(05:56):
diagnosed later in life either.
When they get out of school orwhen they start working from
home or become self-employed orsomething like that.
Because when you're in thestructure of school or you're in
the structure of a nine to fivejob, it's a little bit easier to
mask or cope with some of the ADHD symptoms.
And I think that was probablytrue for me.
(06:17):
And once I became self-employed,it just became much more
obvious.
I pursued a diagnosis because Iwanted to get medication.
And I also just wanted somevalidation.
'cause I remember my parentsasking me like, why?
Why does it even matter?
Like why is it important for youto have this diagnosis?
And I feel like after I wasdiagnosed, and even still, I
(06:39):
learn things that.
Help.
So many things make sense.
Like so many things from mypast.
And I can remember as a child,my room was always a mess, which
is hilarious because now I'mlike over the top neat, tidy,
organized, clean, but my roomwas always a mess.
(07:00):
And I can remember my momsending me to clean my room and
just standing in my room.
Crying because I didn't evenknow where to start.
I couldn't even see the floorand.
I also remember, I would havethese episodes where I would lay
in the hallway and I would justflail my arms and legs and I
would tell my mom, I'm goingcrazy.
(07:21):
those are the kind of thingsthat I look back on now and I'm
like, okay, that all makes alittle bit more sense now.
Why that was so overwhelming,this task of cleaning my room
and why I had these feelings andthese sensations and this
overwhelm that I couldn'texplain.
and the biggest thing for megetting diagnosed was the
realization that I'm not lazy.
(07:44):
I spent my whole life thinkingthat I was lazy and creating a
lot of frustration for myparents, especially because I
would like complete assignmentsand then not turn them in, or I
would not complete assignments,or I was just completely
uninterested in school.
My mom still jokes about how Iwould get really obsessed with
(08:07):
some hobby.
I decided I was gonna be a cakedecorator.
And so one year for Christmasthey got me all this cake
decorating stuff and she's like,you never decorated another cake
for the rest of your life.
And that's not entirely true,but it was a while.
and so just things like that Iwas like, okay, I spent my whole
life thinking something's wrongwith you.
(08:28):
Why are you like this?
why can't you just do whatyou're supposed to do?
Why can't you do it like yoursister does?
Why are you so lazy andunmotivated?
And when I got the diagnosis andI started to learn more about
what a DHD really was, so muchof that stuff made a lot more
sense, and I was able to have alot more grace and compassion
(08:50):
with myself.
Megs (08:51):
That's really beautiful and thank you for sharing that
because so many of us can relateto the being lazy and.
Also having a lot of things thatwe might start and not
necessarily finish.
I read something the other daythat was saying that they were
talking to their therapist andtheir therapist was like, what
if you had a hyper fixation or ahobby that you didn't try to
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also make money off of?
What if you just had it as ahobby?
And they were like, how dareyou?
Melissa (09:17):
Why would I do that?
Megs (09:19):
do you remember what it was like realizing that you were
not lazy and what did thattransition look like for you?
Because I think a lot of peopleare still grappling with what it
truly means to not be lazy,because that's not a thing that
describes us, but it is a thingthat other people have labeled
us with for so long.
Melissa (09:40):
I think part of it was, it was very freeing and
empowering and a relief, becauseI feel like I spent a lot of
time and energy trying to makemyself be a different way.
I tried so hard, I even read abook about how to make yourself
a morning person and tried to doall of the things to be a person
(10:01):
who got up in the morning andwas wide awake and ready to
seize the day and got all thesethings done before eight
o'clock, and I just could nevermake myself be that person.
And so that relief of knowingyou're really just trying to fit
a square peg into a round holeand you can stop.
Like you can just try to find asquare hole, if that makes
(10:24):
sense.
And.
Megs (10:25):
Yeah.
Melissa (10:26):
I've just learned to find ways to work with myself
rather than against myself.
so being really aware, I hearpeople talk about this a lot in
terms of the seasons, likeunderstanding that there are
certain seasons where there arevery productive and there are
other seasons where.
It's the time to just go in andreflect and regroup.
(10:48):
And I hear women talk about thisa lot with their cycle and
understanding their cycle.
And there's days in your cyclewhere it's like, those are the
days you're gonna get everythingdone.
And then there's days in yourcycle where you're not gonna
wanna do anything.
And I feel like my A DHD kind ofgoes like that too.
and so just being able to givemyself that grace of Okay,
you're in the period of A DHDwhere you are not getting a lot
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of stuff done, and so what isthe minimum you can get done
today?
Like, why don't you pick onething to get done and then you
can go take a nap or somethinglike that, and then.
Knowing that there will be otherdays where it's I don't need a
nap.
I semi love the hyper fixationdays.
'cause I just get so much done.
But, knowing that then there'sgonna be other days or times of
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the day where I am super focusedand I can get a lot done and
just letting that be what it isinstead of trying to force
myself into something else.
Megs (11:45):
I really like that'cause it's interesting that you bring
that up.
'cause I was just chatting withmy digital sidekick this morning
and she was going into likehyper focus mode and I saw
myself doing it too, and I'mlike, don't forget to take care
of yourself because that'softentimes the first thing that
we let go when we go into thesemodes of.
(12:05):
Incredible productivity, butit's almost like we have to make
up for the time that we weretaking a nap or allowing
ourselves to rest, when reallyif we slow down a little bit and
we allow ourselves to do thingsat a normal pace, we still get
so much done.
But when we take care ofourselves, we get even more
(12:26):
done.
Melissa (12:27):
Yeah.
Megs (12:27):
that's the time when we go into those crazy modes of super
productivity.
That's the first thing thatgoes, is taking care of
ourselves and like breathing.
Melissa (12:38):
Yeah, and that's part of why I feel like it's helpful
to have that understanding too,is because before I would just
be in those modes and not evenrealize that's what was
happening.
And now having this diagnosisand this understanding of A DHD,
I'm like.
I can see this is what'shappening.
And so then when my brain'slike, no, you can't, you're not
(12:58):
gonna go to the bathroom, youdon't need to eat dinner, it's
fine.
Keep going.
I'm like, oh, I see what thisis.
And also I can take threeminutes to go to the bathroom.
So that's helpful too, just interms of having the
understanding and the awarenessand knowing this is what's
happening and I don'tnecessarily need to work through
dinner.
Megs (13:16):
What a beautiful way that you're explaining that too, it's
not as if our brain is changing,There's no curing A DHD, I do
think it's incredible that themore we know, the more that we
can talk ourselves out of someof these things, that our brain
is just going to naturally takeus on a journey
Melissa (13:32):
yeah, a hundred percent.
Megs (13:34):
And it's still gonna happen.
But the more you practice, themore you can say, okay, what if
I slowed down a little bit?
What if I just chilled?
Melissa (13:41):
sometimes I'll make myself reminders because my
brain doesn't always wanna kickin with the no, you can go to
the bathroom.
And this is one of the thingsthat, like coming back to that
acceptance piece is like, Iwould've never made a sticky
note before that says it's okayto go to the bathroom or don't
forget to eat dinner and put iton my computer screen, right?
Because my brain would've said.
(14:02):
that's dumb.
You don't need to make a stickynote that says that nobody else
makes a sticky note that saysthat.
Don't do that.
And so with that acceptancepiece is just if that's what you
need, who cares?
Megs (14:12):
Yeah.
Melissa (14:12):
care if there's anybody else on the world who makes a
sticky note that says, don'tforget to go to the bathroom.
If it works for you, it worksfor you.
And so that's been a big part ofthe journey too, is finding what
works for me and letting that beokay.
Megs (14:28):
I appreciate that so much.
In that specific example, andyou mentioned that earlier too,
it's like you've started to workwith your brain instead of
against it so that you canunderstand what you need in your
life.
And so when it comes to yourbusiness or when it comes to,
you have a neat and tidy homethat you have, and sometimes you
have more animals living in itthan the animals that you own,
(14:49):
Can you give us some otherexamples of how you work with
your brain in your space to helpyou live a life that makes sense
for you?
Melissa (14:57):
so the organization, of my desk and just my office space
is a big one for me.
And I used to try to just pushpast that and now I'll come in
here sometimes in the morningsand be like.
You are not gonna be nearly asproductive as you wanna be if
you don't do this first.
I had a senior foster cat whowas 20 and she lived in my
(15:18):
office and she was a bit of amess.
so I had to clean my office likeevery single day.
And there were some days that Iwas like, just start working.
But then the other part of mewas like, you're gonna feel so
much calmer and more peacefuland Like you have your shit
together if you just take 10minutes and clean this first.
So that's part of it.
(15:40):
I do a good doom pile now andthen, because even just like
having it sorted and stacked canfeel better than nothing, right?
Better than just like having itall over the place.
and then at least I know like Ican just tackle one at a time
'cause they are categorized andorganized.
I think part of it too isfinding some sort of Planner or
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calendar or whatever systemworks for you.
and that is, that one makes melaugh'cause I know it's always
like a joke in the A DHDcommunity about like how many
planners we buy.
And I can't tell you how manyplanners I have in my desk
drawer that are like, havebetween a week and a month
filled out.
And then after that I'm like,Nope, I hate this planner.
Megs (16:24):
Yeah.
Melissa (16:25):
for a while I stopped using a planner and I just used
a to-do list and that was.
Good enough.
I've recently found one that isa little bit different, that has
like different columns fordifferent categories and so you
can put your tasks and yourto-dos and your reminders and
things in the different columns,and that's working really well
for me.
just trying the different thingsand being okay with okay, Sally
(16:48):
loves this planner and sheswears by it, but it is not
working for me, so let me trysomething different.
That's helped.
Megs (16:56):
That's awesome.
I think what's interesting aboutthe planner thing is it's not
necessarily that we can't useplanners or that they're
inefficient.
It's that we think that it'sgonna be the answer to
everything.
So we buy it and we get thisdopamine hit, and then we start
to use it and we're stillgetting the dopamine hit.
But then we're known to not beconsistent with
Melissa (17:16):
Right.
Megs (17:16):
so because we're not consistent now, we haven't used
it for a week.
why would I go back to it now?
It's not a failure.
It's just simply that youweren't consistent for that
amount of time.
You are allowed to go back toit.
just won't feel as good as itdid when you initially bought it
and when you initially startedfilling it out.
Now it's gonna feel a little bitdifferent, and that's the
uncomfortableness that wesometimes have to push past, and
(17:39):
you're allowed to buy theplanner.
You just are also allowed to goback to it when it doesn't feel
as good
Melissa (17:44):
It's so funny that you say that because this planner
that I have, that I'm using now,I always fill it out on Monday
mornings, and for some reason,Monday I forgot to do it.
And so yesterday morning I waslike, oh man, forgot to do the
planner.
Was like, I just won't do itthis week.
And I was like, it's Tuesday.
I'm like, you have six moredays.
Fill out your planner.
But it's, yeah.
(18:05):
It's funny how our brain is oh,nope.
Ruined.
Megs (18:08):
Yep.
It's like this.
It's the perfectionist mindset,right?
if we can't do it, then whywould we do it?
It's the same with the dietmentality and all of these other
things.
I have to share this with you'cause you're gonna find this
hilarious.
So I made a cake for Cora lastyear for her birthday.
She was turning five.
I had great intentions.
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I thought for sure this wasgonna be like my new adventure.
I was going to be a cakedecorator, which is probably why
I laughed so hard when youoriginally were talking about it
a minute ago.
'cause I'm like, I'm gonna bereally good at this I wasn't, it
turned out awful.
It looked hideous with sparkles,
Melissa (18:46):
I mean that probably helped.
Yeah.
It's okay to not be the best.
Megs (18:52):
It is okay.
Even Charlotte, my 7-year-old,she was like, Cora, I just want
you to know that mommy triedreally hard
Melissa (18:59):
Oh
Megs (19:00):
just needs some more practice at doing this.
And but it's things like that wejust have to realize that it's
okay to come back to it andlearn from what we did
Melissa (19:09):
I heard somebody say once, if you have a bike and
your bike gets a flat tire, areyou just gonna throw the whole
bike away?
No, you're probably just gonnapump up the tire or get a new
tire.
But that's what we wanna do.
oh, I missed one day on myplanner, so I'm just not gonna
do the planner all week.
Megs (19:26):
because you know your brain, you're now challenging
yourself.
They're like, it's fine that Ididn't do it yesterday.
Yesterday I got to fly by theseat of my pants.
And live in the wind of timetoday, I might create some more
structure around my life and tryto abide by this time thing that
people like to live by, And youget to discover the different
ways you approach the day withintention.
Melissa (19:50):
That's the crazy part is that we keep the broken bike
because we're like, one of thesedays this new bike is gonna
break and then I can use partsfrom the old bike to fix this
one.
And then when the new bikebreaks, you think we're gonna do
that?
No.
We get a new bike and now wehave two broken bikes and a new
one.
Megs (20:09):
We've got the greatest ideas.
It's just that sometimes wedon't take the action on them,
Melissa (20:13):
Yeah.
Megs (20:14):
you have the greatest ideas when it comes to your
business.
So when we're thinking abouttaking action on all of these
things, how do you stayorganized in your business and
make sure that your.
fulfilling your goals.
You have a podcast, you have thenetworking group that you
manage, but you also have anetworking group that you
facilitate and then you do allof these other things too.
(20:35):
How do you keep all of thatgoing?
Melissa (20:38):
I have help.
That's part of it.
And not help in terms of likeoutsourcing and delegation, but
help in terms of, I do have a VAand she's amazing, but one of
the things that she's the mosthelpful with is She created a
Slack channel.
we have a number of Slackchannels, but one of the ones
she created for me is calledBrain Dump.
And she's like, anytime you havea great idea, just put it in
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there.
And so I do, and that helpsbecause then sometimes I get
distracted because I'm workingon something and then I have
this great idea and I think Ihave to act on this great idea
right now.
Or it's gonna be gone forever.
And so that helps me stayfocused on what I'm doing
because I'm like, okay, it's notgone forever.
It's in the brain dump.
And it also helps because thensometimes I go back to it and
(21:23):
I'm like, okay, that actuallywasn't that great of an idea.
and sometimes I go back to itand I'm like, yeah, that was a
great idea.
And then she helps me actuallybreak that great idea down into
Here's the steps that we need totake to make that great idea
actually happen.
I also have recently hired,Jessica Millhiser, who you were
on my podcast with recently, andshe is all about like business
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systems and, strategies andprocesses and just helping you
streamline so you can get thingsdone.
And that's been really helpfulfor me because she's really
helped me set like.
Annual goals and then figure outhow to break those annual goals
into quarterly goals.
And then we break the quarterlygoals into monthly goals and
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being able to break it down thatway and have support breaking it
down that way.
and.
And help figuring out what toprioritize, like what to do
first and when to do it andwhen.
And sometimes on our Zoom call,she will have me like actually
pull up my calendar and okay,let's find where you're gonna
time block in every single oneof these things.
So like, all these things yousaid you were gonna do this
(22:27):
month now are on your calendar.
And so just having thataccountability and also somebody
to help me work through it andbreak it down has been really
helpful.
and that's the kind of thingtoo, one of the things that you
asked me before this podcast wasabout what advice I would give
to people who have a DHD,especially if they're newly
diagnosed.
(22:48):
And that's one of the biggestthings I think, is like figuring
out what kind of help andsupport you need and not being
afraid to get it for so long Ithought you should be able to
just motivate yourself, like whydo you need somebody else to
hold you accountable?
Or like the idea of coworking orbody doubling is so weird to
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some people.
Like, why would you do that?
I added a weekly coworking callto the powerful women rising
community, for so long I triedto tell myself like, you don't
need to do that.
You don't need to set a timer.
You don't like.
Just be a normal person and doit the way normal people do it.
And my life has gotten so mucheasier since I have just
accepted like, this is thesupport and the help I need, and
(23:31):
this is what works for me andthere's no shame in asking for
it and getting it.
And those are the things thatreally help me stay organized
and stay on task and help mealso be less distracted, I
think.
Megs (23:46):
what's really interesting about how you're saying that is
like finding the things thatwork for you and not just
because they're neurotypicalfriendly or neurodiverse
friendly.
It's you friendly.
So you had mentioned that youwanted for so long to wake up
early and then just found thatwasn't your thing.
(24:07):
I have wanted for so long towake up early and I found that
it is my thing.
here's the difference though.
I knew I needed time for myselfbefore my kids got up in the
when I would have that time formyself and my kids got up in the
morning, it made all thedifference in the world in my
day.
Melissa (24:25):
Yes.
Megs (24:26):
I'm still a night person for the most part, but I have
figured out a way to.
Manipulate my brain into gettingup earlier in the morning.
There is a lot of advice outthere that says neuro with a DHD
can't get up earlier in themorning and that's not gonna
make you thrive.
(24:47):
So don't just take that advice.
But you've got to figure outwhat works for you.
And if you have a DHD, itdoesn't mean that something is
gonna work for you absolute, andsomething is not gonna work for
you absolute.
It's just that you've gotta tryit, you've gotta fail at it, and
you've gotta figure out whatthat failure is telling you and
do you wanna overcome thatfailure or not?
Because you get to freakingdecide You're still a human that
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gets to make the decisions onwhat routines work for you and
what doesn't.
Melissa (25:14):
Yeah.
Megs (25:15):
I think that's what's cool is that you don't have to wake
up at five in the morning to besuccessful and to be a badass
entrepreneur.
You get to decide what works foryou.
but I really appreciate thatbecause while we're told so many
things, you just gotta figureout what's right for you in the
end of it.
Melissa (25:33):
Yeah, and sometimes it changes and you can be okay with
that too, If I woke up tomorrowand magically had a 5-year-old,
maybe I would be more motivatedto get up earlier.
Or, I'm thinking of a time in mylife where, I was much younger,
but I would get up every morningat four 30 because I did a boot
camp at five.
I can get up early.
(25:54):
I'm.
Capable of it.
but now being self-employed andnot having children, not having
human children and having catchildren who are awake at 3:00
AM when seven o'clock comes, I'mlike, I don't wanna get up right
now.
And it's okay to not,
Megs (26:11):
Yeah,
Melissa (26:11):
and it's okay if that changes someday.
Megs (26:14):
it totally is.
I do find that when I shake upmy routine a little bit, that
helps me.
'cause then my brain is Ooh,something new.
So you are an entrepreneur andyou've done a lot of things.
You told us a little bit aboutwhat your history was and where
you've come from.
You were a relationship coach,and now you focus primarily on
networking.
(26:35):
did you know that it was time totransition in your business from
one thing to where you are now?
Melissa (26:42):
That's a great question because I don't know if it's
just entrepreneurship or if it'sa DHD or maybe a little bit of
both, but I often haveexperiences where I will do
something for a month and thenI'm like, okay, I'm done doing
this.
Let's do something else.
And so knowing when is the timethat's okay, it's really time to
do something else.
(27:03):
And when is the time?
That's okay, no, this is justyour brain saying okay, it's
time to do something else.
But really it's not, can be alittle bit tricky.
And for me it was a series ofthings happening like.
Those little whispers that youget from the universe that are
like, it's time to do somethingdifferent.
And you're like, no, I'm notlistening to you.
Like I have spent so much timeand so much money and so much
(27:24):
energy building this business.
We're not doing something else.
And then it just keeps gettinglouder and louder.
And for me.
The big thing was, the summerthat I shut down my coaching
business.
I hadn't shut it down yet, but Iwas thinking about it.
I woke up one day and I got onFacebook and my Facebook account
had been deleted.
And at that point I had aFacebook group for single women
(27:48):
that had about 3000 women in it.
I had a book club for singlewomen that I did, and they were
all in a Facebook group.
I had about 300 women in thatgroup and they were all gone
'cause I had not learned thelesson that you need to make
someone else an admin of yourFacebook group just in case this
happens so they can let you backin.
I was upset about it for awhile, and then the other part
(28:11):
of me was like, okay, maybe thisis just the universe telling you
like you're done.
And maybe the universe knew thatI was gonna drag my feet on this
for another year and was like,here, let me just make this easy
for you, like you are done.
so that was part of it and partof that process too was
realizing that.
(28:32):
Initially, it felt likeeverything I had done in my
relationship coaching businesswas for nothing because now I
was starting all over with atotally different business and
realizing that I actually did apodcast episode on this and I
called it like starting againversus starting over.
Because I realized like you'reactually not starting over.
(28:53):
You're taking everything thatyou learned in the last seven
years, whether it was aboutbuilding a business or about
what it takes to have asuccessful relationship, and
you're using all of that tobuild the next business, which
is going to make it like so muchsimpler and easier and better
because you have all thatexperience and that knowledge.
And it's really interestingbecause.
(29:15):
when I talk about networking, Ialways say networking happens
anywhere that you're building aconnection with another person.
So essentially networking isrelationships, like that's what
it is.
Whether it's a relationship withsomebody that you see once a
month at your networkingmeeting, or it's a relationship
with somebody that end up havingcontact with on a more regular
(29:35):
basis.
There's still some basicfundamentals of relationship
building that.
Apply whether you are dating andtrying to find love, or you are
networking and connecting withpeople and building your
business that way.
And so a lot of it, a surprisingamount of it has transferred
over, which is interesting.
Megs (29:55):
That makes so much sense, right?
You're not starting fromscratch.
You're building on a foundationthat you have been working hard
on.
So obviously you're not teachingthe same things that you once
were, but so much of it hasfoundational elements that are
so similar,
Melissa (30:10):
Yeah,
Megs (30:10):
so why networking?
Melissa (30:12):
in my experience building my coaching business, I
spent so much time and money on.
All the things that I thoughtwere gonna be the thing that I
was missing, like this is what Ineed to finally succeed.
This is what I need to finallystart making consistent income.
And there's a lot of goodmarketing out there, there's a
(30:32):
lot of good sales people outthere, and it is appealing when
you've been in business for ayear or two years and you're
still not making money it's veryeasy to believe that Nancy can
tell you how to make six figuresin 90 days, and all you have to
do is pay her$10,000 for hercourse or whatever it is, right?
(30:53):
And so we're like, oh, thankGod.
Here's the answer finally.
And when I looked back on.
My experience building mycoaching business, what I
realized was none of thosethings were ever the answer.
And that doesn't mean therewasn't value in them, there was
in many of them.
But the thing that hadconsistently made me money and
brought me clients was therelationships that I had built
(31:15):
and the connections that I hadmade.
I knew I wanted to be a part ofempowering.
Female entrepreneurs and Irealized that one of the best
ways I could do that was to helpthem stay focused on this
connection and relationshipbuilding piece and not get so
caught up in thinking that theyneed all of this other stuff.
(31:37):
I talk to women all the time whoare either.
Struggling to make consistentincome, or they're making
consistent income, but they'restruggling to get to the next
level.
And they're spending all thistime in their office, like
redoing their sales page,building a new funnel, planning
a webinar, like all of thethings.
(31:58):
And I'm like, why don't you stopwhat you're doing and go out in
the world and start havingconversations with humans?
Megs (32:06):
Yeah.
Melissa (32:06):
Nobody's coming to your webinar if they don't know that
you exist.
And if they don't have aconnection with you, none of
this is, and again, all of thatis important stuff.
It's not that you can build abusiness without it.
I think there's a lot of peopleselling like, this is the one
thing that you need.
no, you need all of thesethings.
But at the core of it is havingconnections and relationships
(32:32):
with people.
And so that's what I wanted todo.
Megs (32:35):
I love what you do too.
Melissa (32:37):
networking for me was also and continues to be
something I really like talkingabout because I think there's an
assumption that networking is agreat business growth strategy
for people who are extrovertedand.
Confident and not awkward inconversations and super, like
charming and charismatic.
Like we expect those people tobe good at networking when we
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think of networking.
and one of the reasons that Ireally like talking about it and
being the face of networking fora lot of people is because I'm
not like that.
I have my charming moments, butfor the most part, I am an
introvert.
I would almost rather.
Always be at home than out inthe world.
I can be very shy, I can be veryanxious, I can be very awkward
(33:21):
in conversations, and I stillhave been able to build a
successful business throughnetworking.
And I wouldn't even say it's inspite of those things.
I would say it's because ofthose things.
Like one of the things that.
draws my people to me is thatauthenticity and that realness
and that like sometimes I'mawkward and here we are and it's
(33:42):
okay.
and it gives other peoplepermission to be the same way
and that is appealing to them.
And so I like being able to showpeople that there is a way to.
Build your business throughnetworking, while still staying
true to yourself and finding theway to do it that feels good to
you as opposed to trying to makeyourself be the like Joe
(34:07):
Schmoozer used car salesman,happy hour guy that we all think
of as that's what networking isand it's actually really not.
Megs (34:16):
what's interesting, as you say this is when I first started
my business, I thought that Ihad to have such, such a great
social media presence.
I thought that I had to have somany likes and so many
followers, and then I would beable to be successful.
It was then that I realized thatI was successful because of the
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people that I knew and thepeople that I continued to talk
to.
Melissa (34:40):
Yes.
Megs (34:41):
each and every one of my clients either came from my
podcast or came from a friendwho had referred them, or a
friend who had told them aboutme.
and I think what's sofascinating about this.
Social media is great.
In some cases, and I've had somany podcasts, guests that I've
met through social media, andit's really truly through that
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connection.
And I have a friend who.
Told me she hated networking.
I had mentioned it in one of ourpodcast groups.
I was like, let's all network.
I created this whole schedule sothat we could all get together
and get to know each other alittle bit more, which was
really fun.
And she told me, she's I don'treally like networking.
She's an introvert.
She doesn't wanna put herselfout there.
She wants to put herself outthere, but she's like, I don't
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really see the benefit of it.
So because she said that it wasthen.
That I decided to let her knowevery time something that was
networking was positivelyimpacting her in her life.
Melissa (35:38):
You are like, I'll show you.
Megs (35:40):
She loves and hates me at the same time, and I am who I
am.
She accepts me for who I am, butit's oh, because you told me
about that.
I told you about her and nowshe's connected with you and now
follows you.
So do you see how that createdthis connection and it's just so
fun because.
The more you talk to people, themore that you're able to truly
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express what you're doing too.
I just met someone today and Ihad looked at our Instagram
page, and it wasn't until.
I spoke with her in real lifetoday that I truly understood
what she did.
she's like, but I don't know howto tell people what I do.
And I'm like, that makes sense.
It makes total sense.
And then I immediately thoughtabout your group and I thought
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about, so like it's just reallyneat to be able to make.
Real connections with otherhumans who genuinely wanna be
out there helping people.
But it's crazy because thepeople that genuinely wanna be
out there helping people are thepeople that don't know how to
tell you what they're doingbecause it can feel so
uncomfortable.
Melissa (36:37):
part of that is finding the structure and the format of
networking that you like andthat works for you.
some people really like thehappy hours that have no
structure.
That's just come and schmoozeand talk to people and.
Insert yourself inconversations.
That's like my worst nightmare.
but you gimme a littlestructure.
You tell me like, sit at thistable for the next 10 minutes
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and you're gonna talk to thosepeople about this topic.
I'll do that all day long.
So trying different formats andsometimes we don't like the big
group.
Sometimes we just wanna talk toone person or we would just
wanna talk in a small group.
And so finding places where youcan do it in a way that works
for you is very helpful too.
Megs (37:18):
So tell us about your groups that you hold.
Melissa (37:21):
Yeah.
I host a monthly virtual speednetworking event for female
entrepreneurs that people fromall over the world join.
it's super fun.
We usually have between 60 and80 women on those calls, and we
do breakout rooms and havetopics to discuss in the
breakout rooms.
and that's a really goodopportunity, especially for
people who think that they don'tlike networking or.
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Who feel like anxious and startlike sweating and getting hives
when they think aboutnetworking.
It's very like low stress, notas intimidating as like
physically walking into a roomof a bunch of strangers.
and I always say if you can getfreaked out, you can just
pretend like you don't have agood connection and then you're
gone.
Like you can't do that if you'rein an actual room.
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So I host those once a month.
And then I also have thePowerful Women Rising community,
which is, for femaleentrepreneurs.
And it's a mix of networking.
We have mastermind calls.
at the rockstar level we do alot specifically with
networking.
so We have a networking labwhere we practice different
things related to networking andnot in like a cheesy role play
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way, but like actually figuringout like, how do we do this
better?
Or, I came into this situationand I wasn't really sure how to
handle it.
We talk a lot about like, how dowe have conversations that
aren't small talk without beinglike.
So person I just met.
Tell me about your, worstchildhood traumas, how do we
find something in the middle?
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and so yeah, there's just,there's a lot involved in the
powerful Women rising community,and I did that intentionally so
that the connection would justbe built in so that you don't
have to have 50 coffee dates.
You don't have to have 50 Zoomcalls with the people in the
community every month to makesure that you're building those
relationships and that you'restaying top of mind with them.
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You're showing up to theMastermind, the coworking calls,
the networking lab, things likethat, and your relationships are
growing organically, which, isvery fun and also a lot more
comfortable for most people.
Megs (39:18):
how can people get in touch with you and join a
networking call or join yourcommunity?
Melissa (39:23):
Yeah, the best way is just to go to my website, which
is powerful women rising.com.
you can find my podcast on thewebsite.
You can find, there's an eventsection that talks about the
upcoming virtual speednetworking events, if you wanna
check one of those out.
and then there's alsoinformation about joining the
Powerful Women Rising Communityon there.
Megs (39:40):
Melissa, thank you so much for joining us today.
any last words of wisdom you'dlike to impart?
Melissa (39:46):
I just will reiterate the importance of giving
yourself grace.
Being compassionate andunderstanding with yourself, not
being judgmental with yourselfor telling yourself like you
should be able to do somethingor you shouldn't have to do it
this way.
This should be easier for you.
just accepting where you're atand what you need in order to be
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successful and letting that beokay.
Megs (40:10):
Thank you so much, Melissa.
It was great having you on.
Melissa (40:12):
Thank you so much for having me.
Isn't Melissa amazing?
She has a podcast too, so checkher out.
All of her links are in the shownotes below, if you wanna join
One of her amazing networkingevents coming up, she has given
us a coupon code to use toattend for free.
So go to the show notes below,when you go to pay, use the
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coupon code organize to get intothe networking event for free.
As a reminder, the organizingand a DHD brain community is now
on circle.
I'd love to invite you in.
We have two virtual declutteringsessions each month, group
coaching, virtual body doublingsessions.
We even have a stagnant room, soif you wanna join there with
someone else in the group,you're welcome to just to get
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things done.
It is an incredible proventechnique to do things with
other people, to feel moremotivated to do the things that
you don't necessarily wanna do.
The mundane.
And if you're looking for yoursign to find a community or to
get started, this is your sign.
Life isn't slowing down at all,and if you're waiting to feel
like it's gonna slow down,Something else is just gonna
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happen beyond that point.
If you wanna get organizedwithout having to change your
life or stop your life to do so,come check out the organizing
and a DH ADHD brain community.
I can't wait to see you on theother side.
Oh, and you get a free coachingas soon as you complete
onboarding.
So I mean, a win-win.
Don't forget to follow the showso you get notifications of all
the new episodes.
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Thanks so much.
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