June 16, 2025 • 45 mins
Inger Shaye Colzie is an ADHD Coach with a focus on the intersectionality of ADHD and the experiences of Black women who are executives and entrepreneurs. With a deep understanding of the cultural nuances and societal dynamics, Inger Shaye supports black women through empowerment and fostering an environment that acts as a safe and judgment-free zone where women can thrive.
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In this enlightening episode of 'Organizing an ADHD Brain,' host Megs introduces IngerShaye Colzie, an ADHD leadership and executive coach, and founder of the ADHD Black Professionals Alliance and Black Women with ADHD. The conversation delves deep into the unique challenges and lived experiences of Black women with ADHD, emphasizing the importance of building supportive communities. IngerShaye discusses her journey from being a therapist to becoming an ADHD coach after her own diagnosis and highlights the critical role of community in healing and empowerment. The episode also explores the significance of accepting one's ADHD brain and leveraging personal strengths rather than focusing on perceived shortcomings.
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11:53 Challenges Faced by Black Women with ADHD
15:32 The Importance of Community and Support
22:23 Creating a Healing Space for ADHD
23:15 The Importance of Safe Spaces
25:24 Unmasking and Burnout
28:13 Starting Conversations and Building Understanding
33:49 Staying Organized with ADHD
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Hey, beautiful people.
Welcome back to another episodeof organizing an A DHD Brain.
This week I'm really excited tointroduce you to my new friend
Inger.
She Cozy.
She's an A DHD leadership coachand executive coach.
She's also the founder of the ADHD, black Professionals
Alliance and the founder ofBlack Women with A DHD.
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I am so excited to share withyou the conversation that we
have.
One of my goals as a podcasteris to help people find.
The right people for them,because guess what?
Not all of you listening to thiswill love what I have to say,
and that's okay because there isthe right person for you out
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there.
And also, we're allowed todisagree on things every once in
a while, but it's important forpeople to find the right
community.
When you find the rightcommunity where you can truly be
yourself.
You don't have to mask who youthink you should be You get to
just show up.
I reached out to Ingers.
Because she had shared a postabout what it's like to be a
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black woman with a DHD.
And I'm gonna be honest, Ihadn't even thought about it.
I hadn't even considered thatanother woman could have a
different lived experience thanme, but it makes so much sense.
And so I invited her on to havea conversation, not only about
organization and how A DHDaffects us, but also just about
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How it affects us in day-to-daylife.
Does this have anything to dowith organization?
It has everything to do withorganization because I'm not
just here to give you tips andtricks and hack, right?
Like you can find those all overthe internet and every once in a
while, I'm gonna throw a fewyour way.
But let's be honest here, it'sabout truly understanding our
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brain and not my brain, but howyour brain works.
And how there's gonna be certainthings that I teach you and, and
educate you on.
But most of the time I amlearning how to support you from
asking questions andunderstanding where you're
coming from.
Also during the interview Inger,she mentions the term RSD, which
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is rejection sensitivitydysphoria.
I've mentioned it a coupletimes.
I don't use those bigger wordson a regular basis as a
non-medical professional,however, it is an important term
to be aware of with A DHD.
And I'm gonna give you a littlebit of a description real quick.
I literally just typed it intoGoogle and this is what it's
saying.
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So it's an intense emotionalpain or distress triggered by
the perception of beingrejected, criticized, or failing
to meet expectations.
So that is something that's verycommonly.
COD with a DHD and or autism.
So it's something to be awareof.
In fact, learning more aboutthis has helped me in my own
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parenting journey, not onlyrecognizing how this could show
up for myself, but also how itcould show up in my kids.
So just a side note, if youwanna do a little extra
research, I am so excited aboutthis interview.
And so without further ado.
Welcome back to organizing an ADHD Brain.
I'm your host Megs and I am herewith a new friend of mine,
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Ingershaye.
I'm so excited to introduce youto her.
She is an A DHD coach, I foundher on LinkedIn and she has an
entire community of black womenwith A DHD in the corporate
space that she supports, alongwith being an A DHD coach and
current therapist.
So tell us a little bit moreabout you.
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First off, thanks for having me.
I'm really excited to be here.
So I'm IngerShaye Colzie, as yousaid.
I'm an A DHD executiveleadership coach.
I'm still a therapist.
And I work primarily with blackwomen with A DHD so that we can
look at your A DHD, leverage itand then be able to live the
life you really want.
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The life you really choose tohave.
Because as we all know here,it's not so easy with a DHD.
And we were just talking earlierbefore we came on, we had to
remember to turn on the cameraso other people could get
involved we live such a life ofwhat other people think of us.
What other people, theirexpectations and when you can
really live into your A DHD andhow it affects you, your life
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totally opens up And so that'swhat I'm really bringing, to
people in the corporate spaceand entrepreneurial space,
professional space.
Because there's so many thingsthat we have to manage, right?
To manage work, we have tomanage ourselves, we have to
manage our families.
A lot of my clients at least arelike in the sandwich generation.
You got parents, you got kids,you might have a spouse or an
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ex-spouse.
All of that to manage and yourcivic obligations and then
yourself and you're burnt out,you're tired and you wonder why
you can't get the dishes doneright, or the house is a mess or
you just feel outta sorts.
If you're balancing all of it,it's just so tenuous, I help
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women to be able to figure thatout and then move the way they
wanna move.
Like in the corporate space, howdo you step up if you wanna step
up?
If you're an entrepreneur, howdo you actually get that idea to
fruition and then keep it going,and how do you do that with all
the different things that wehave to manage?
So it's exciting to me.
I really enjoy it and I reallyenjoy supporting black women,
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because there's all those extraexpectations that sometimes I
think we don't even rememberthat are on us.
And to be able to look at thatand how your A DHD affects that
is life changing for people.
It was for me, and I'm glad it'sfor other people.
That's amazing.
I love the journey that you toldme a little bit about already,
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but I'd love for the listenersto know as well.
So you started out as atherapist and became an A DHD
coach.
So how long have you been acoach and what prompted that
transition into coaching?
I've been a therapist over 20years.
I've been an A DHD coach.
I have to count the one likeone, but, uh, that's six, seven
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years.
You know how time goes by andyou really just don't count.
It's the same way when peopleask me how old I am, and I'm
like, I don't remember.
Yeah.
but it's been several years.
And what happened for me is whathappens for a lot of women.
My son got diagnosed with a DHD.
Of course when those ratingscales came home and I checked
off boxes, I was like, thatone's me.
That one's me.
I was like, oh, all of these areme.
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And even though I had been toschool to be a therapist, they
really didn't talk about A DHDbecause I wasn't treating
children.
And they really were just like,it's a kid's disease and you
grow out of it.
Which I still think it's funny,but uh, yeah, I saw the rating
scales.
I saw that it was me.
I didn't really get diagnoseduntil later because I had to
still take care of my kid andall the other things It wasn't
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until I started to lose my wordsin conversation, and I'm a
therapist.
So what does a therapist do whenthe words are like in your brain
but won't come out of your mouthand your clients are looking at
you like, are you okay?
I remember doing research, youknow, that deep dive that we do.
I did some research for my kid,but I remember something about
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for women menopause and A DHDand how they didn't mix well.
I happened to go to a CHADDmeeting and a woman told a story
so similar to mine, and shetalked about her diagnosis, and
I knocked over everybody in theroom.
I was like, how'd you getdiagnosed?
And that's when I got diagnosed.
But it wasn't until I foundcoaching that made the biggest
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difference.
Knowing about it was great.
I was like, oh, this is why allthese things are happening and
now I know what I need to workon.
But when I found coaching, itwas a game changer.
Speed forward to 2019.
CHADD and ADA have a an A DHDconference and a coach wanted to
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do coaching, but instead ofpulling somebody just out of the
audience.
They wanted to do like acoaching arc, like a eight
weeks, stint over something andI was like, I'll do it.
The ask was coach in front ofeverybody else.
I was like, that's fine.
And I could get there toPhiladelphia.
I can barely get down there ontime.
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It's huge, giant.
The Marriott Hotel is enormousand sensory overload, and I get
into the room with him I don'tknow.
That's 50, 67.
I don't even know how many, likemiddle aged white women were
there observing or coaching.
And in the middle of that, allof a sudden I get a breakthrough
about how I really wasn'taccepting my A DHD because if
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you would ask me, of course Iam.
But it's no, really you're not.
'cause the way I was beatingmyself up internally at that
time in front of all thesepeople.
And trying not to say it yet, itwas coming out, is when it was a
breakthrough.
It was like, you really aren'taccepting it.
you're not accepting that it'sjust something that happened.
It doesn't mean that you're abad person because after all,
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you got there on time and you'rehere and you're showing up and
doing the thing.
When that happened, though, itwas scary because it was not the
safest space.
I did not feel like it was asafe space for that to happen.
But it happened and I'm gratefulfor it.
what I also noticed when I wasat that conference is that that
conference was four day longconference morning to night.
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There might have been 20 blackpeople, maybe, I don't know, 30
people of color in general atthis conference.
And I was like, this doesn'tmake sense'cause Philadelphia's
about 60% black.
And I was like, do they notknow?
Did it not feel welcome?
And so by the time I got homefrom the conference, I need to
make that my mission becauseagain, if that happened for me
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and the way that things openedup like that.
Everyone should be afforded thatand especially, black people
who, it's just so hard sometimesfor us to access any type of
care.
So that's when I turned tocoaching black women especially.
And maybe'cause I'm a blackwoman and I know what I went
through.
But I also had decided to createa space for black people to
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gather and black professionalsto gather because I was a black
professional.
And after I left there, I waslike, oh, well then who can I
talk to besides the five peopleI sat at the table with that
were black, that were at theconference.
And so that's what I thoughtabout having the A DHD, black
Professionals Alliance.
So it is a nonprofit for blackprofessionals who serve black
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people with a DHD.
It's also a space where blackpeople with a DHD to come
gather, meet, find aprofessional.
that looks like you, if that'swhat you're looking for.
Get real data about things thatare actually happening.
With the rhetoric that's goingon now.
I think that's more importantthan ever.
Have community and to be able toask the questions.
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That you might not get answeredin other places, that are
relevant to you.
it's been great.
It's been a great journey.
And again, like with the waythat things have just really
been going in a direction inthis country and things that are
said about Neurodivergence and,I don't know they wanna call it
diversity.
It's just that we're all hereand we're all diverse.
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But the way that they're talkingabout it, and the things they're
trying to erase, I feel likeit's more important than ever.
I'm just so glad that, it cameto me and I started it.
'cause we're already up andgoing.
I think that's incredible.
When I first started working inthe corporate world and we
started talking about diversitymore, it was learning through
other people's lived experiencesthat truly helped me understand
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things from a new and differentperspective.
And I know for me personally,when I first got diagnosed with
A DHD, I thought it was forlittle boys and I thought that
there was never a chance in hellthat I would have a DHD.
I went through a denial period.
And so that's why I started thepodcast.
I wanted to give a voice towomen and what their lived
experiences were.
But something I don't know a tonabout is the difference in
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getting that diagnosis in theblack community and what that
looks like.
can you share a little bit,based on your own lived
experience and what you've seenwhy is it harder for black women
to find the care that they needwith A DHD?
First off, I think all womenhave it more difficult in
getting the care that they needbecause we're really not looked
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at as a full human and that'sthe way I feel.
I think we're looked at as likea test subject, and if we get to
what's wrong with you, that'sfine, but if not.
Then, we don't care.
the mortality rate for, womengiving birth, speaks to that.
People have been giving birthsince the beginning of time.
Why is the mortality rate forwomen so high in the United
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States versus other countries?
So that just speaks to the levelof care that no women get.
But when it comes to blackwomen, even if you use, that
would be a statistic.
I think it's 10 times as much.
Yeah.
And that's generally how it goesfor us in the world.
Whatever happens, we're gonnaget it 10 times worse because no
one's gonna really want to tryto care for us.
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Black women are seen ascaretakers.
Part of stereotypes is thatwe're strong, so we're not ever
in pain.
So nobody ever thinks of that.
A lot of times when we're noteither caretaking of someone or
making someone laugh, we're alot of times perceived as angry.
I walked into a room and notsaid a word, and they'll be
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like, what's wrong?
I'd be like, I just got here.
Right?
So it's clearly not what I'mbringing to the room.
It's what you are bringing tothe room.
Sometimes with a DHD, somebodysays something like that to you.
Your RSD can.
Get triggered and it's now I ammad.
Right?
And if people are gonna thinkthat you're mad or angry or
you're sad, which means you'redepressed or that happens so
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much that now you're anxious,you're worried about it
happening.
You could go to even attempt toget a diagnosis.
You know, something's not rightand they look at you and they
go, oh, well you're depressed,you're anxious, or maybe you're
bipolar.
I have a friend of mine, she's aphysician now, but when she's in
her residency, she went to goget a diagnosis and she couldn't
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get one, but she asked to see,all the paperwork.
And what they put down there isthat she had narcissistic
personality disorder'cause shefelt like she could do
something.
She's actively in her residencywhen that happens.
Wow.
So I've heard some of thestatistics before too, just
about women giving birth andthen black women giving birth
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and what a disparity there is,which is fascinating.
Like why is that?
But then to the point of A DHDand getting the care I shared
with you before we had thisconversation is I'm scared to
have this conversation and partof it really is because.
We've been taught in this worldto see people who are different
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than us as so different that.
We just have to accept thatwe're never gonna get along or
we're never going to come to asolution on things.
Or to be able to have realconversations where we can see
both sides of things.
But I truly just want to, and Ithink there's so much that I
don't know about what blackwomen are experiencing that the
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more I know, the more I can bethere to support too, or like we
can support one another.
When you think about the futureof our world, that is beautiful.
One where black and white womenget together and we're talking
about these lived experiencesand supporting each other along
the way.
What does that look like?
Because gosh, I'd love to getthere one day.
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I feel like we're gonna need toget there because, I'm really
grateful that we have anorganization that's like for us,
by us, for black people.
However, if we don't all beginto look at the things that make
us the same and not different,and decide how we want our lives
and our country to go, we're notgonna have a choice.
We wanna be able to have thesetypes of conversations at all.
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And, I appreciate the fact thatyou're asking, right?
You're asking me, as opposed toasking me to do the work, You're
just like, picture a world.
What would that be like?
That curiosity, and that's whatcoaching is like.
Picture a world of what thatwould be.
What do you think that we woulddo?
What does that look like to you?
And that is to me, how we'regonna get there.
Being curious about it, thinkingabout what would that be like?
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It would be like to be able tohave this conversation without
you having to have that, I'mafraid to have it.
Or saying I, I'm afraid to haveit and just let that be.
Not have it have to be thecenterpiece of what we're
talking about.
And I think that is what happenssometimes the centerpiece of
what we're talking about is thefear or the centerpiece of what
we're talking about is,somebody's feelings about it.
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So I mentioned going into a roomand people will be like, are you
mad?
And if I'm like, no, there arepeople like, I'm sorry, I didn't
mean that.
what am I supposed to do?
And then it becomes about, youknow, their feelings as opposed
to what just happened was youmade a decision about what was
going on for me without tellingme and asking me how I felt.
Now I'm dealing with my own RSDand I'm dealing with your
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feelings.
That is a different conversationthan having a conversation about
what's my lived experience andhow can we better use that to
make a better future for the twoof us.
That's all that we're asking.
Maybe I need to ask a question.
Yeah.
So that's what I love aboutcoaching too.
It's a lot of questions.
Yeah.
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Some people are just like, oh,like you just, you ask
questions.
Yes.
Because.
Questions are where possibilitylies, right?
If I'm just only givingstatements, then that's like
you've stopped the thought ofwhat would things be like if
it's like this is what it's justgoing to be.
So that's what I love aboutcoaching, because especially
with A DHD, we have such theseweird experiences.
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I don't have this experiencethat some people have of, it was
the most horrible life ever.
I couldn't get anything done.
I don't have an experience of,childhood trauma.
those are some things thathappen to people and it happens
a lot to black people.
I just don't have that story.
The story I have is being reallyconfused about the days that it
went great and the days that itdid not, and how that could be
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consistent at all.
At all.
And, it led to.
High school, I was doing great.
Then I barely got out college.
It took me eight years to getout of undergrad.
And still I didn't feel likethere's anything necessarily
wrong.
It's just, you know, I wasn'tfocusing and I knew that,
however.
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It was that, why wasn't Ifocusing?
Like I didn't know what wasgoing on.
I didn't know why.
I didn't know why until I was inmy fifties, right?
And so having that be thebackdrop to my life would've
helped out some because I waslike, I just need to figure
things out and start going,well, I need to figure it out.
But that was the one thing Icouldn't figure out how to make
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it go well most of the time.
You know, with that, it justdidn't allow for others to help
in a way that might have been ashelpful.
when I think about what we'retalking about in the future,
having somebody ask me questionsabout it would've been so much
better than people makingdecisions about when I show up
late, which I can show up late,without any help.
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When people don't understand orthey don't ask questions, then
we can't come to any resolution.
And then what's happening isyou're just making decisions
about me, what you think, andyour bias is running the show,
So that's why I feel like justthe place where people can talk
or ask questions like what couldwe do for you?
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What could you do maybe foryourself?
can you imagine?
we had a place where there wasflexibility between like you and
I and the other black and whitewomen, where we could just
create the stuff that we createnaturally.
Right?
Women, we are the power.
We are both so powerful and ourA DHD brains.
I know yours comes up withamazing things all the time,
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right?
if it's your skills, is myskill, we can just come together
and not have to worry about theother, bullshit.
that's what I see and I thinkthat if we did that, we would
not even have to worry about theposition that we are in now.
we'd take it over and make surethat it went the way that it's
supposed to go.
I love that.
I love it so much.
And just to touch on what youwere talking about with
conversations and askingquestions and being okay with
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whatever answer you get on theother side, but going in curious
so that you can truly have aconversation, I do think part of
what we're dealing with is themedia right now is telling us
what a certain group of peoplebelieves about something, right?
Whether it's the left or theright, or black or white or
immigrant, non-immigrant, youare being told what people think
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about a certain thing and theninstead of having conversations
and seeking to understand.
You're simply putting people ina group which divides us more
because we're not actuallyhaving conversations.
Even intergenerational, whereit's the baby boomers and Gen X
and millennials and Gen Z.
Instead of having conversations,we just assume that they act a
certain way.
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one thing I think is importantto highlight is you have a group
for black women only, and why isthat important?
Why is it important for justblack women to be in this group
for, the executive coaching thatyou do?
The thing is.
Because we don't know eachother, right?
I talked about like the way thatother people perceive us.
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The way that we perceiveourselves is worse, right?
We have a DHD.
The way that you beat yourselfup about all kinds of things is
the worst thing that you canpossibly do.
So a lot of times with blackwomen, we have to perform in a
certain way.
Have a superwoman, cape on atall times.
I feel like we need to take careof everything and everyone, we
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don't take care of ourselves.
And then when we're also lookedat like not capable and capable
at the same time, there'sconversations we could have
together.
There's a certain differentconversation I'm gonna have with
other black women where when wehave that conversation and it's
like, oh my God, I thought itwas just me.
I thought I was the only one.
So we don't have to have thatconversation like about race.
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We don't have to have theconversation about gender.
We have a conversation about ADHD and how it affects you, You
just finally feel comfortable.
I say, community is like thesav.
'cause a DHD is like being peckto death by, a duck, right?
A thousand cuts.
Yeah.
Community is like the sav andlike the bandaid.
So like you can finally heal.
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And so when you can have a placewhere you can finally heal.
That's when you, you can reallytake off with your A DHD,
because I don't really get intothat.
Like superpower, not superpower,you know, debate.
It's more of when you lean intoyour strengths, there's nothing
that we can't do, nothing.
So having a space where peoplecan come, feel comfortable,
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camera on, camera off hair done,hair not done, and just have
these types of conversations is.
I feel like part of the reasonwhy I was put here on Earth,
because nobody deserves to feellike they're suffering alone.
we don't have to suffer.
What would happen if you gotwith some people and you talked
some things out and you came upwith some solutions or things to
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at least try made your lifebetter and then in turn made
someone else's life better.
There's nothing better than whenyou could help somebody else
out.
So that's part of the reason whyall the different things that
come at us on a daily basis, yousay with racism, misogyny, It
feels like people can see thatI'm a black woman but you can't
see my DHD until you see my ADHD.
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And that's kind of reallyinsidious.
And so to have a place where Ican show all of me.
For once is just an amazingplace to be.
the fact that I was able tocreate it just, and the amount
of people that are in it justspeaks to how much it was
needed.
Mm-hmm.
I think that's really powerful.
And I wanna highlight somethingthat you said, in a couple of
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different ways you don't have toshow up and prove yourself in
any way because when you areamongst other black women, you
know that you have these sharedlived experiences that you
wouldn't have to ever explain tome, for example, racism as a
white woman, I've literallynever had to experience that my
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entire life.
But when you're in a group of.
Women who are all black, youknow that you've all experienced
some sort of either overt orCovert, Racism.
And that's already something.
Without having to say it outloud, you already know that you
can relate on that experience,which means that when you start
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to relate on these A, DH, Dthings.
You start to understand thingsin a completely different way.
I think it's so valuable to finda group of people who you can
relate to without having toprove yourself first.
That's where some of thosedifferences come in.
And I think it's reallyimportant to highlight that it's
so good to have these safespaces it's okay for everyone to
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have these safe spaces, right?
It's incredible that you'vecreated this space for women and
what have you seen as far aslike people joining the group
and their experiencing actuallybeing able to relate to one
another and understanding thatthey're not alone in this world,
especially when it comes to ADHD, and what does that look
like on the other side afterthey've had that community to be
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able to unmask People don't evenknow that they're masking,
right?
Like that is the thing.
I remember it myself, but it'samazing.
Right?
There is some code switchingthat we have to do out here in
the world, like as a safetyissue, right?
I'd love to say that I don'tcode switch or I don't try to
make myself fit into a differentspace, as a black person.
Because we don't own all thespaces.
At some level you have to do it.
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you mask because if I just letmy A DHD go, right?
That roundabout conversationwould happen all day long.
So there's some stuff I have todo, but to have to mask it,
every moment is tiring.
And you wonder why you feeloverwhelmed and burnout, Most of
the women that come into thegroup and the women I coach are
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burnt out.
They don't know why it's aphysical thing also, Because
that's what happens with burnoutand you don't even know it.
So when you come into a space.
Where you finally feel seen andyou can finally unmask, you can
see it?
Just your shoulders no longer attheir like earaches.
Like they come down.
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Yeah.
And they have conversationsthey've never had and they're
tears and there's crying, butthere's cheering on.
The other side is a place whereI can ask that question.
I can say that thing thatanybody else might think is
crazy.
Or I might think, you know,anybody else is just not gonna
understand or I can just listento other people and support them
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in that way.
It is, it's a palpableexperience and it's something
that again, can like begin toheal you.
And when you start to have thosehealing, it can be like, well
what can I do with my A DHD?
'cause so many people are justtrying to fight it.
Fight it.
I just won't get rid of it.
I just want it to go away.
Can you just, I don't take yourmagic wand.
It's like, no, I can't, but whywould you?
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This is just part of who youare, so it's not, what you are.
It's just a part of who you are.
So when you start to unmask, youcan start to love yourself.
And there's, there's nothinglike seeing somebody lose all
those, that veneer, all thatshielding that they have to have
all day, every day and begin tolove themselves.
Go out in the world and thenstart doing it for other people.
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That to me is even the bestpart.
'cause then they leave and thepeople that they already know,
whether they decide to docoaching or something like that.
But they'll come and they'll,you know, maybe gather one or
two people and say, Hey, I foundout about this and I wanna let
you know.
Because that's really how we aregonna change the world.
We don't love the medicalsystem.
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There have definitely been partsof the medical system, like we
mentioned earlier, that don'tfit for us.
But when somebody who, you know,in your own community says, Hey,
I got something that can helpyou, we're more likely to try
that.
And so that's another reason whyit's so important.
So people can, again, start toget the help that they need on
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their own terms.
I love that.
So as we're thinking about thefuture and, bringing people
together, where do we start?
I told you before we started isI am nervous to have these
conversations'cause I wanna beright and I wanna do it
perfectly classic.
I want it to be beautiful rightaway and to have it all figured
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out.
But the truth is, withoutstarting, without making
mistakes, without saying thewrong thing, to understand what
the right thing is to say, Idon't have an idea.
Of what to do next.
And so I think part of it istruly understanding like what I
want the world to be one day andwhat that vision is coming back
to the coaching space.
And that's what I do withorganizing too, right?
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Like you can't organize thespace without actually knowing
where you're going.
So where do we start having theconversations?
Obviously right here we are,where we've started.
But if people are listening athome and they want to have some
of these harder conversationsand start to talk about like
where can we find oursimilarities and start to
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understand each other for who weare, and then embrace each other
for our differences.
'cause it helps us understandthe world from a new and better
perspective.
Where would you suggest westart?
From a place of, understandingbut not a place of expectations,
right?
Mm.
So we, like, when you reachedout to me, you just, you didn't
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know me.
You just reached out on LinkedInand you were like, Hey, this is
what I'm thinking about.
You know, I really think thatthis is important, and I really
hope that's something that wecan at least have a conversation
about, you know, and decide ifyou wanna do the podcast.
A that I felt that was brave.
'cause you didn't know me atall.
You didn't come with anintroduction or anything, and
you didn't come with anexpectation, right?
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You were like, this is mythoughts and I'd love to have a
conversation about yourthoughts.
And I, so I think that is howpeople can proceed.
Not having a bunch ofexpectations, not expecting
someone else to do the work.
Asking questions that make senseand allowing someone.
To say, Hey, that's not reallythe way you would say it, or
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That's not cool.
Right?
Yeah.
And for you to take that not asa criticism, right?
Which sometimes IHD, the RSDgoes, no, clearly I'm wrong.
Clearly I, it's always to takethat breath, that I tell my
clients when that happens, youknow what that feels like.
Mm-hmm.
So when you feel that, thatmeans to take a breath and go,
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that is just my RSD doing it,what it does.
What should I do instead?
What's gonna be better for me orthis situation?
And then doing that instead,because that I think is what
happens.
Like you feel you come in andmore nervous, then maybe RSD
kicks in and you're morenervous.
Now I don't know what to say.
Now I'm just totally all overthe place, or I'm not gonna say
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anything.
Or I'm never gonna revisit it ifit didn't go well and to.
Take a second and say, nothaving expectations, can I ask
you some questions?
You asking first?
Because of being curious andvice versa, right?
Allowing people to speak in theway they need to, to speak and
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having people be believed, Ithink that that is something
that we don't really talk about.
Because they're just like, thatstory I told you earlier about
my friend, having a diagnosis ofnarcissistic personality
disorder while she was, youknow, residency.
That's a story that some peopleare like, that couldn't have
happened.
You kidding?
Why would somebody do that?
Like, that doesn't make anysense.
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It's like, yeah, it makes nosense, but it happened.
And a lot of times people don'tbelieve the things that are,
currently happening.
So it's to believe the storiesthat, we tell this is our lived
experience and to have it have ameaning, right?
So addressing it from there andnot discounting it, because that
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is really where it's hurtful andit's hard.
And I think that's when we don'tmake any movement.
Then you can tell people abouthow it could work better for me.
What do you mean that you mightneed what you got five alarms
on.
For what?
Why?
Nobody would need five alarms.
Oh.
You showed up there and peopleacted like they didn't know who
you were.
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Things like that happen.
People, you go places and theyact like they might not know who
you are people will saydifferent things, or maybe you
won't get a job, or you won't beperceived as somebody that could
handle something because you'reblack.
And many times they'll be like,well, did they say that?
It's like they didn't have tosay it.
These are things that happen allthe time.
And then sometimes you wonderwhy people don't wanna talk to
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each other.
So it's to believe them.
And if you really can't wrapyour head around it, it's to ask
a question.
You think that happened?
Why do you think that wouldhappen?
Or what do you think that wecould do about that?
Or, are you okay?
Yeah.
Okay.
That's beautiful.
And also, if you're listening tothis and you don't know where to
start with questions, chat, GPTis amazing.
Go in and say like, I don't knowwhat questions to ask.
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So tell me what questions toask.
have something, a referencepoint to start with.
Because the more you practice,the more you'll get better at
it.
I think.
That's one of the reasons why Iwanted to become a coach is
because.
People are fascinating.
Whether you live in Texas orMassachusetts or California,
you're gonna look at the worldtotally different.
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And then based on the way thatyou were raised or the color of
your skin, you're gonna look atthings differently and, and
based on your lived experiences,you're gonna look at things
differently.
And we only know what peoplebelieve about something when you
do start to ask questions andstart to understand things from
a whole new perspective.
And.
I think it's so valuable and I'mlooking forward to continuing to
have these conversations.
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So tell me, as an A DHD coachand someone who works with
people with A DHD all the time,and you have a DHD, how do you
possibly stay organized witheverything going on and, and
managing so many people?
And what does that look like toyou?
It depends on the day.
Right.
Okay, cool.
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Yeah.
What's interesting is likepeople think, oh, you're an A DH
ADHD coach, so you must have itall together and it must be, you
know, organized in thatbeautiful, pristine way.
And I'm here to say that is nottrue.
Um, I think what most peoplegenerally, but especially with A
DHD, it just looks like it'sorganized in a way that works
for my brain, right?
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So for my brain, there is.
You can see the desk, in frontof me.
'cause the desk behind me looksall, you know, curated looks.
Oh, yeah.
We, yeah.
Like the desk in front of me hasclutter on it.
Right.
Because there's a certain levelof clutter that I'm gonna have
to live with to have things out,because I need to see some
things.
If I put it away, I, I'm gonnalose it.
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Mm-hmm.
So knowing that a certain amountof clutter is.
Just where I live.
It's organized in a way where Iknow what I need to see.
I like to only do like threethings a day, if possible.
Break that task down, make sureI'm breaking it down to task in
that projects.
definitely do that and maybehave a bonus one.
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it's funny, I was gonna try todo the thing where it's like,
oh, you only see clients onthese days, and it's no.
I like to see clients all thedays.
I don't have as much room forone-on-ones, you know, starting
a lot of groups, but I like tohave that interaction.
But in between the interactionsI have, because I work from home
now, I do a lot of houseworkthen.
Right?
Because that half an hour,whatever, it's great.
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It's great to, I don't know,vacuum the carpet or whatever.
And actually get some thingsdone.
And so that at the end of myworkday, I'm not like, oh my
goodness, I need to do this or Ineed to do that.
Like it's done in small bits.
It didn't feel like extra, itwasn't something where I was
trying to split my brain to domaybe coaching time and then
like paperwork book work.
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Like I can't do that, but I cango and I don't know, unload the
dishwasher.
it's a way to keep me organizedbecause it keeps me going
because if I start to dosomething else.
Then I would be all, all overthe place.
And my clients have to get,quite frankly, they have to keep
me organized because again, whenyou do stuff together, we know
what time we're meeting, I knowyou know what notes we're doing,
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and they are ready and, eager todo things that's gonna move
themselves forward, which helpsto keep us organized.
And we work on it together inwhatever ways works for you and
whatever works for you on thatday.
Right.
Yeah.
whatever works for your brain,right?
Because what works for you isnot gonna work for me.
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Or maybe it might, but onlycertain aspects of it.
'cause no matter what, I'm gonnaadjust it to whomever I am and
whatever I do.
So case in point right there.
But then in addition to thatthere's a certain amount of
clutter that you could accept assomething that you need in order
to thrive in your own world.
And that's okay.
There's nothing wrong with that,and everybody gets to define
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what that clutter or what theirorganized space means to them,
and that's part of that futurethinking again.
I love you said earlier reallyaccepting your brain with a DHD?
What kind of advice would yougive to person who's seeking
acceptance of their brain?
Trying to figure out if I dohave a DHD, like, what the heck
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do I do next?
It's interesting, when I get alot of new clients, because most
of my clients are, older women,like over 40.
So you've been going around allthis time not knowing that you
had a DHD, so late stagediagnosis.
They'll get diagnosed and go,now I know, but does it mean I
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can't, you know, I can't doanything.
Or they start to feel likethere's something wrong with
them now.
And I'm like, did you feel likethere was something wrong with
you?
Not that you were confused orlike you saw things and you
didn't know it was happening,but now you're deciding that
this is a disability.
Right.
And that means I can't doanything.
And I'm like, you were doingthings before.
You've made it into your fortiesand living your life.
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Then you've been able to figuresome things out.
Yeah.
And so to know that you canfigure some things out, like it
doesn't have to be a disabilityand to lean into how did you
figure it out before?
Because that is the acceptance,right?
Not being like, oh, I'maccepting that there was just
like something totally wrongwith me.
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That our brains are just if theyfunction in a different way.
And is that okay?
I say it is.
And when you do the things in away that your brain tells you to
do, generally it works outbetter for you.
Now, I'm not saying it works outbetter for everybody else'cause
those are their assumption, butI will say for you, you're just
like, yeah, that was great.
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So when you can start to leaninto that.
Sometimes other people willstart to, once they see you
thriving, sometimes they'll justget outta your way.
Right?
They might not like it, theymight not understand it, but
sometimes they'll just be like,all right, ADHD is a real
diagnosable condition.
You're not crazy, lazy orstupid, but this is something
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that's happening.
And when you can lean into yourstrength, like amazing.
I have amazing women I work withthat are doing all kinds of
amazing things.
Some of which I can't even tellyou because it's off my pay
grade to know the things thatthey're trying to explain to me
they're doing like in tech and.
As long as they stay in thatzone of genius we can work with
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the other parts of the A DHDthat are the parts of your
weaknesses.
We bolster them up.
So that's how you begin toaccept.
'cause when you accept that it'sworking well, it's well what if
I just kept doing that?
Yeah.
I love that perspective.
Thank you so much.
Where can my listeners find you?
So I am.
At inger she.com, I'm at Inger,she everywhere.
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LinkedIn, all the socials,Facebook, whatever they are.
so inger she.com is where youcan find me, and that's the A
DHD, black ProfessionalsAlliance.
Thank you so much for having me.
Thank you so much for coming onand having this conversation.
I'd love to have you on again inthe future and, talk more about
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A DHD and how we can continue towork together to help people
know that they're not broken.
They've gotta find what worksfor them.
I love that strengthsconversation.
I think it's beautiful.
So thank you.
You are welcome.
I had so much fun re-listeningto this interview and this
conversation.
There were so many othertakeaways that I had and I
wanted to share them with you.
One of them was accepting A DHD,so you might know you have it,
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but are you accepting it?
And that was really powerful forme because I know when I was
first diagnosed with A DHD, Ithought, okay, well cool.
I'm just going to keep trying todo all the same things the same
way.
I've always known how.
I just now know I have a DH, D,right?
So not a lot of things changeduntil I started to do some more
research and really acceptingthat I'm not gonna show up the
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same way every single day.
And my executive dysfunction isgonna get in my way a lot, I
thought it was really powerfulwhen she was talking about how
she couldn't understand why somedays it went so great that life,
she could just conquer it in somany amazing ways and how
sometimes she just couldn't makeit make sense.
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A DHD makes it make sense.
It's just about understandinghow do we give ourselves grace
on the days that we're not ableto show up.
She talks about how community isa place for you to heal, and
that's really powerful when youfind people who know what you've
been through and are there tosupport you and help you
understand that you're notalone.
It just feels better.
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I mean, especially when youdon't have to prove yourself
first.
I joined a networking group whenI first started my business, and
the entire time I felt like Ihad to prove myself in order for
people to truly accept me.
And so I left because thatwasn't the type of community I
wanted to sign up for.
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I wanted to be a part ofcommunity where you didn't have
to prove yourself, people justbelieved in you so that you
could grow and succeed A DHD.
It's a part of who you are, notwhat you are.
That was beautiful.
It is a part of who you are, butit's not what you are.
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There's so much more to you.
Then simply A DH, D.
So go check out Inger, all thelinks to connect with her are in
the show notes below.
And in addition to that, ifyou're ready to join a community
and you feel like mine is theright one for you, I would love
to invite you in.
The doors are open until the endof June, and then I'm shutting
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the doors for the rest of thesummer so that we can really get
to know each other.
And there's something to be saidfor just building community with
the people you're with, and thedoors won't open again until
this fall.
You'll also get a really goodlook into what it's like to
downsize and move across thecountry with four animals and
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two kids also while building abusiness because this business
is still being built.
If you guys wanna send mehealing thoughts that would be
really amazing.
But on another note, if you justwanna leave a review or shoot me
an email on how this podcast hasimpacted you and your life, i'd
love to hear it.
Thanks so much for tuning in.
Have a great week.
Hey, beautiful people.
Welcome back to another episodeof organizing an A DHD Brain.
This week I'm really excited tointroduce you to my new friend
Inger.
She Cozy.
She's an A DHD leadership coachand executive coach.
She's also the founder of the ADHD, black Professionals
Alliance and the founder ofBlack Women with A DHD.
(00:22):
I am so excited to share withyou the conversation that we
have.
One of my goals as a podcasteris to help people find.
The right people for them,because guess what?
Not all of you listening to thiswill love what I have to say,
and that's okay because there isthe right person for you out
(00:43):
there.
And also, we're allowed todisagree on things every once in
a while, but it's important forpeople to find the right
community.
When you find the rightcommunity where you can truly be
yourself.
You don't have to mask who youthink you should be You get to
just show up.
I reached out to Ingers.
Because she had shared a postabout what it's like to be a
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black woman with a DHD.
And I'm gonna be honest, Ihadn't even thought about it.
I hadn't even considered thatanother woman could have a
different lived experience thanme, but it makes so much sense.
And so I invited her on to havea conversation, not only about
organization and how A DHDaffects us, but also just about
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How it affects us in day-to-daylife.
Does this have anything to dowith organization?
It has everything to do withorganization because I'm not
just here to give you tips andtricks and hack, right?
Like you can find those all overthe internet and every once in a
while, I'm gonna throw a fewyour way.
But let's be honest here, it'sabout truly understanding our
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brain and not my brain, but howyour brain works.
And how there's gonna be certainthings that I teach you and, and
educate you on.
But most of the time I amlearning how to support you from
asking questions andunderstanding where you're
coming from.
Also during the interview Inger,she mentions the term RSD, which
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is rejection sensitivitydysphoria.
I've mentioned it a coupletimes.
I don't use those bigger wordson a regular basis as a
non-medical professional,however, it is an important term
to be aware of with A DHD.
And I'm gonna give you a littlebit of a description real quick.
I literally just typed it intoGoogle and this is what it's
saying.
(02:30):
So it's an intense emotionalpain or distress triggered by
the perception of beingrejected, criticized, or failing
to meet expectations.
So that is something that's verycommonly.
COD with a DHD and or autism.
So it's something to be awareof.
In fact, learning more aboutthis has helped me in my own
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parenting journey, not onlyrecognizing how this could show
up for myself, but also how itcould show up in my kids.
So just a side note, if youwanna do a little extra
research, I am so excited aboutthis interview.
And so without further ado.
Welcome back to organizing an ADHD Brain.
I'm your host Megs and I am herewith a new friend of mine,
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Ingershaye.
I'm so excited to introduce youto her.
She is an A DHD coach, I foundher on LinkedIn and she has an
entire community of black womenwith A DHD in the corporate
space that she supports, alongwith being an A DHD coach and
current therapist.
So tell us a little bit moreabout you.
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First off, thanks for having me.
I'm really excited to be here.
So I'm IngerShaye Colzie, as yousaid.
I'm an A DHD executiveleadership coach.
I'm still a therapist.
And I work primarily with blackwomen with A DHD so that we can
look at your A DHD, leverage itand then be able to live the
life you really want.
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The life you really choose tohave.
Because as we all know here,it's not so easy with a DHD.
And we were just talking earlierbefore we came on, we had to
remember to turn on the cameraso other people could get
involved we live such a life ofwhat other people think of us.
What other people, theirexpectations and when you can
really live into your A DHD andhow it affects you, your life
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totally opens up And so that'swhat I'm really bringing, to
people in the corporate spaceand entrepreneurial space,
professional space.
Because there's so many thingsthat we have to manage, right?
To manage work, we have tomanage ourselves, we have to
manage our families.
A lot of my clients at least arelike in the sandwich generation.
You got parents, you got kids,you might have a spouse or an
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ex-spouse.
All of that to manage and yourcivic obligations and then
yourself and you're burnt out,you're tired and you wonder why
you can't get the dishes doneright, or the house is a mess or
you just feel outta sorts.
If you're balancing all of it,it's just so tenuous, I help
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women to be able to figure thatout and then move the way they
wanna move.
Like in the corporate space, howdo you step up if you wanna step
up?
If you're an entrepreneur, howdo you actually get that idea to
fruition and then keep it going,and how do you do that with all
the different things that wehave to manage?
So it's exciting to me.
I really enjoy it and I reallyenjoy supporting black women,
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because there's all those extraexpectations that sometimes I
think we don't even rememberthat are on us.
And to be able to look at thatand how your A DHD affects that
is life changing for people.
It was for me, and I'm glad it'sfor other people.
That's amazing.
I love the journey that you toldme a little bit about already,
(05:43):
but I'd love for the listenersto know as well.
So you started out as atherapist and became an A DHD
coach.
So how long have you been acoach and what prompted that
transition into coaching?
I've been a therapist over 20years.
I've been an A DHD coach.
I have to count the one likeone, but, uh, that's six, seven
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years.
You know how time goes by andyou really just don't count.
It's the same way when peopleask me how old I am, and I'm
like, I don't remember.
Yeah.
but it's been several years.
And what happened for me is whathappens for a lot of women.
My son got diagnosed with a DHD.
Of course when those ratingscales came home and I checked
off boxes, I was like, thatone's me.
That one's me.
I was like, oh, all of these areme.
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And even though I had been toschool to be a therapist, they
really didn't talk about A DHDbecause I wasn't treating
children.
And they really were just like,it's a kid's disease and you
grow out of it.
Which I still think it's funny,but uh, yeah, I saw the rating
scales.
I saw that it was me.
I didn't really get diagnoseduntil later because I had to
still take care of my kid andall the other things It wasn't
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until I started to lose my wordsin conversation, and I'm a
therapist.
So what does a therapist do whenthe words are like in your brain
but won't come out of your mouthand your clients are looking at
you like, are you okay?
I remember doing research, youknow, that deep dive that we do.
I did some research for my kid,but I remember something about
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for women menopause and A DHDand how they didn't mix well.
I happened to go to a CHADDmeeting and a woman told a story
so similar to mine, and shetalked about her diagnosis, and
I knocked over everybody in theroom.
I was like, how'd you getdiagnosed?
And that's when I got diagnosed.
But it wasn't until I foundcoaching that made the biggest
(07:33):
difference.
Knowing about it was great.
I was like, oh, this is why allthese things are happening and
now I know what I need to workon.
But when I found coaching, itwas a game changer.
Speed forward to 2019.
CHADD and ADA have a an A DHDconference and a coach wanted to
(07:53):
do coaching, but instead ofpulling somebody just out of the
audience.
They wanted to do like acoaching arc, like a eight
weeks, stint over something andI was like, I'll do it.
The ask was coach in front ofeverybody else.
I was like, that's fine.
And I could get there toPhiladelphia.
I can barely get down there ontime.
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It's huge, giant.
The Marriott Hotel is enormousand sensory overload, and I get
into the room with him I don'tknow.
That's 50, 67.
I don't even know how many, likemiddle aged white women were
there observing or coaching.
And in the middle of that, allof a sudden I get a breakthrough
about how I really wasn'taccepting my A DHD because if
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you would ask me, of course Iam.
But it's no, really you're not.
'cause the way I was beatingmyself up internally at that
time in front of all thesepeople.
And trying not to say it yet, itwas coming out, is when it was a
breakthrough.
It was like, you really aren'taccepting it.
you're not accepting that it'sjust something that happened.
It doesn't mean that you're abad person because after all,
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you got there on time and you'rehere and you're showing up and
doing the thing.
When that happened, though, itwas scary because it was not the
safest space.
I did not feel like it was asafe space for that to happen.
But it happened and I'm gratefulfor it.
what I also noticed when I wasat that conference is that that
conference was four day longconference morning to night.
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There might have been 20 blackpeople, maybe, I don't know, 30
people of color in general atthis conference.
And I was like, this doesn'tmake sense'cause Philadelphia's
about 60% black.
And I was like, do they notknow?
Did it not feel welcome?
And so by the time I got homefrom the conference, I need to
make that my mission becauseagain, if that happened for me
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and the way that things openedup like that.
Everyone should be afforded thatand especially, black people
who, it's just so hard sometimesfor us to access any type of
care.
So that's when I turned tocoaching black women especially.
And maybe'cause I'm a blackwoman and I know what I went
through.
But I also had decided to createa space for black people to
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gather and black professionalsto gather because I was a black
professional.
And after I left there, I waslike, oh, well then who can I
talk to besides the five peopleI sat at the table with that
were black, that were at theconference.
And so that's what I thoughtabout having the A DHD, black
Professionals Alliance.
So it is a nonprofit for blackprofessionals who serve black
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people with a DHD.
It's also a space where blackpeople with a DHD to come
gather, meet, find aprofessional.
that looks like you, if that'swhat you're looking for.
Get real data about things thatare actually happening.
With the rhetoric that's goingon now.
I think that's more importantthan ever.
Have community and to be able toask the questions.
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That you might not get answeredin other places, that are
relevant to you.
it's been great.
It's been a great journey.
And again, like with the waythat things have just really
been going in a direction inthis country and things that are
said about Neurodivergence and,I don't know they wanna call it
diversity.
It's just that we're all hereand we're all diverse.
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But the way that they're talkingabout it, and the things they're
trying to erase, I feel likeit's more important than ever.
I'm just so glad that, it cameto me and I started it.
'cause we're already up andgoing.
I think that's incredible.
When I first started working inthe corporate world and we
started talking about diversitymore, it was learning through
other people's lived experiencesthat truly helped me understand
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things from a new and differentperspective.
And I know for me personally,when I first got diagnosed with
A DHD, I thought it was forlittle boys and I thought that
there was never a chance in hellthat I would have a DHD.
I went through a denial period.
And so that's why I started thepodcast.
I wanted to give a voice towomen and what their lived
experiences were.
But something I don't know a tonabout is the difference in
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getting that diagnosis in theblack community and what that
looks like.
can you share a little bit,based on your own lived
experience and what you've seenwhy is it harder for black women
to find the care that they needwith A DHD?
First off, I think all womenhave it more difficult in
getting the care that they needbecause we're really not looked
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at as a full human and that'sthe way I feel.
I think we're looked at as likea test subject, and if we get to
what's wrong with you, that'sfine, but if not.
Then, we don't care.
the mortality rate for, womengiving birth, speaks to that.
People have been giving birthsince the beginning of time.
Why is the mortality rate forwomen so high in the United
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States versus other countries?
So that just speaks to the levelof care that no women get.
But when it comes to blackwomen, even if you use, that
would be a statistic.
I think it's 10 times as much.
Yeah.
And that's generally how it goesfor us in the world.
Whatever happens, we're gonnaget it 10 times worse because no
one's gonna really want to tryto care for us.
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Black women are seen ascaretakers.
Part of stereotypes is thatwe're strong, so we're not ever
in pain.
So nobody ever thinks of that.
A lot of times when we're noteither caretaking of someone or
making someone laugh, we're alot of times perceived as angry.
I walked into a room and notsaid a word, and they'll be
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like, what's wrong?
I'd be like, I just got here.
Right?
So it's clearly not what I'mbringing to the room.
It's what you are bringing tothe room.
Sometimes with a DHD, somebodysays something like that to you.
Your RSD can.
Get triggered and it's now I ammad.
Right?
And if people are gonna thinkthat you're mad or angry or
you're sad, which means you'redepressed or that happens so
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much that now you're anxious,you're worried about it
happening.
You could go to even attempt toget a diagnosis.
You know, something's not rightand they look at you and they
go, oh, well you're depressed,you're anxious, or maybe you're
bipolar.
I have a friend of mine, she's aphysician now, but when she's in
her residency, she went to goget a diagnosis and she couldn't
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get one, but she asked to see,all the paperwork.
And what they put down there isthat she had narcissistic
personality disorder'cause shefelt like she could do
something.
She's actively in her residencywhen that happens.
Wow.
So I've heard some of thestatistics before too, just
about women giving birth andthen black women giving birth
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and what a disparity there is,which is fascinating.
Like why is that?
But then to the point of A DHDand getting the care I shared
with you before we had thisconversation is I'm scared to
have this conversation and partof it really is because.
We've been taught in this worldto see people who are different
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than us as so different that.
We just have to accept thatwe're never gonna get along or
we're never going to come to asolution on things.
Or to be able to have realconversations where we can see
both sides of things.
But I truly just want to, and Ithink there's so much that I
don't know about what blackwomen are experiencing that the
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more I know, the more I can bethere to support too, or like we
can support one another.
When you think about the futureof our world, that is beautiful.
One where black and white womenget together and we're talking
about these lived experiencesand supporting each other along
the way.
What does that look like?
Because gosh, I'd love to getthere one day.
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I feel like we're gonna need toget there because, I'm really
grateful that we have anorganization that's like for us,
by us, for black people.
However, if we don't all beginto look at the things that make
us the same and not different,and decide how we want our lives
and our country to go, we're notgonna have a choice.
We wanna be able to have thesetypes of conversations at all.
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And, I appreciate the fact thatyou're asking, right?
You're asking me, as opposed toasking me to do the work, You're
just like, picture a world.
What would that be like?
That curiosity, and that's whatcoaching is like.
Picture a world of what thatwould be.
What do you think that we woulddo?
What does that look like to you?
And that is to me, how we'regonna get there.
Being curious about it, thinkingabout what would that be like?
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It would be like to be able tohave this conversation without
you having to have that, I'mafraid to have it.
Or saying I, I'm afraid to haveit and just let that be.
Not have it have to be thecenterpiece of what we're
talking about.
And I think that is what happenssometimes the centerpiece of
what we're talking about is thefear or the centerpiece of what
we're talking about is,somebody's feelings about it.
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So I mentioned going into a roomand people will be like, are you
mad?
And if I'm like, no, there arepeople like, I'm sorry, I didn't
mean that.
what am I supposed to do?
And then it becomes about, youknow, their feelings as opposed
to what just happened was youmade a decision about what was
going on for me without tellingme and asking me how I felt.
Now I'm dealing with my own RSDand I'm dealing with your
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feelings.
That is a different conversationthan having a conversation about
what's my lived experience andhow can we better use that to
make a better future for the twoof us.
That's all that we're asking.
Maybe I need to ask a question.
Yeah.
So that's what I love aboutcoaching too.
It's a lot of questions.
Yeah.
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Some people are just like, oh,like you just, you ask
questions.
Yes.
Because.
Questions are where possibilitylies, right?
If I'm just only givingstatements, then that's like
you've stopped the thought ofwhat would things be like if
it's like this is what it's justgoing to be.
So that's what I love aboutcoaching, because especially
with A DHD, we have such theseweird experiences.
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I don't have this experiencethat some people have of, it was
the most horrible life ever.
I couldn't get anything done.
I don't have an experience of,childhood trauma.
those are some things thathappen to people and it happens
a lot to black people.
I just don't have that story.
The story I have is being reallyconfused about the days that it
went great and the days that itdid not, and how that could be
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consistent at all.
At all.
And, it led to.
High school, I was doing great.
Then I barely got out college.
It took me eight years to getout of undergrad.
And still I didn't feel likethere's anything necessarily
wrong.
It's just, you know, I wasn'tfocusing and I knew that,
however.
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It was that, why wasn't Ifocusing?
Like I didn't know what wasgoing on.
I didn't know why.
I didn't know why until I was inmy fifties, right?
And so having that be thebackdrop to my life would've
helped out some because I waslike, I just need to figure
things out and start going,well, I need to figure it out.
But that was the one thing Icouldn't figure out how to make
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it go well most of the time.
You know, with that, it justdidn't allow for others to help
in a way that might have been ashelpful.
when I think about what we'retalking about in the future,
having somebody ask me questionsabout it would've been so much
better than people makingdecisions about when I show up
late, which I can show up late,without any help.
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When people don't understand orthey don't ask questions, then
we can't come to any resolution.
And then what's happening isyou're just making decisions
about me, what you think, andyour bias is running the show,
So that's why I feel like justthe place where people can talk
or ask questions like what couldwe do for you?
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What could you do maybe foryourself?
can you imagine?
we had a place where there wasflexibility between like you and
I and the other black and whitewomen, where we could just
create the stuff that we createnaturally.
Right?
Women, we are the power.
We are both so powerful and ourA DHD brains.
I know yours comes up withamazing things all the time,
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right?
if it's your skills, is myskill, we can just come together
and not have to worry about theother, bullshit.
that's what I see and I thinkthat if we did that, we would
not even have to worry about theposition that we are in now.
we'd take it over and make surethat it went the way that it's
supposed to go.
I love that.
I love it so much.
And just to touch on what youwere talking about with
conversations and askingquestions and being okay with
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whatever answer you get on theother side, but going in curious
so that you can truly have aconversation, I do think part of
what we're dealing with is themedia right now is telling us
what a certain group of peoplebelieves about something, right?
Whether it's the left or theright, or black or white or
immigrant, non-immigrant, youare being told what people think
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about a certain thing and theninstead of having conversations
and seeking to understand.
You're simply putting people ina group which divides us more
because we're not actuallyhaving conversations.
Even intergenerational, whereit's the baby boomers and Gen X
and millennials and Gen Z.
Instead of having conversations,we just assume that they act a
certain way.
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one thing I think is importantto highlight is you have a group
for black women only, and why isthat important?
Why is it important for justblack women to be in this group
for, the executive coaching thatyou do?
The thing is.
Because we don't know eachother, right?
I talked about like the way thatother people perceive us.
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The way that we perceiveourselves is worse, right?
We have a DHD.
The way that you beat yourselfup about all kinds of things is
the worst thing that you canpossibly do.
So a lot of times with blackwomen, we have to perform in a
certain way.
Have a superwoman, cape on atall times.
I feel like we need to take careof everything and everyone, we
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don't take care of ourselves.
And then when we're also lookedat like not capable and capable
at the same time, there'sconversations we could have
together.
There's a certain differentconversation I'm gonna have with
other black women where when wehave that conversation and it's
like, oh my God, I thought itwas just me.
I thought I was the only one.
So we don't have to have thatconversation like about race.
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We don't have to have theconversation about gender.
We have a conversation about ADHD and how it affects you, You
just finally feel comfortable.
I say, community is like thesav.
'cause a DHD is like being peckto death by, a duck, right?
A thousand cuts.
Yeah.
Community is like the sav andlike the bandaid.
So like you can finally heal.
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And so when you can have a placewhere you can finally heal.
That's when you, you can reallytake off with your A DHD,
because I don't really get intothat.
Like superpower, not superpower,you know, debate.
It's more of when you lean intoyour strengths, there's nothing
that we can't do, nothing.
So having a space where peoplecan come, feel comfortable,
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camera on, camera off hair done,hair not done, and just have
these types of conversations is.
I feel like part of the reasonwhy I was put here on Earth,
because nobody deserves to feellike they're suffering alone.
we don't have to suffer.
What would happen if you gotwith some people and you talked
some things out and you came upwith some solutions or things to
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at least try made your lifebetter and then in turn made
someone else's life better.
There's nothing better than whenyou could help somebody else
out.
So that's part of the reason whyall the different things that
come at us on a daily basis, yousay with racism, misogyny, It
feels like people can see thatI'm a black woman but you can't
see my DHD until you see my ADHD.
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And that's kind of reallyinsidious.
And so to have a place where Ican show all of me.
For once is just an amazingplace to be.
the fact that I was able tocreate it just, and the amount
of people that are in it justspeaks to how much it was
needed.
Mm-hmm.
I think that's really powerful.
And I wanna highlight somethingthat you said, in a couple of
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different ways you don't have toshow up and prove yourself in
any way because when you areamongst other black women, you
know that you have these sharedlived experiences that you
wouldn't have to ever explain tome, for example, racism as a
white woman, I've literallynever had to experience that my
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entire life.
But when you're in a group of.
Women who are all black, youknow that you've all experienced
some sort of either overt orCovert, Racism.
And that's already something.
Without having to say it outloud, you already know that you
can relate on that experience,which means that when you start
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to relate on these A, DH, Dthings.
You start to understand thingsin a completely different way.
I think it's so valuable to finda group of people who you can
relate to without having toprove yourself first.
That's where some of thosedifferences come in.
And I think it's reallyimportant to highlight that it's
so good to have these safespaces it's okay for everyone to
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have these safe spaces, right?
It's incredible that you'vecreated this space for women and
what have you seen as far aslike people joining the group
and their experiencing actuallybeing able to relate to one
another and understanding thatthey're not alone in this world,
especially when it comes to ADHD, and what does that look
like on the other side afterthey've had that community to be
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able to unmask People don't evenknow that they're masking,
right?
Like that is the thing.
I remember it myself, but it'samazing.
Right?
There is some code switchingthat we have to do out here in
the world, like as a safetyissue, right?
I'd love to say that I don'tcode switch or I don't try to
make myself fit into a differentspace, as a black person.
Because we don't own all thespaces.
At some level you have to do it.
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you mask because if I just letmy A DHD go, right?
That roundabout conversationwould happen all day long.
So there's some stuff I have todo, but to have to mask it,
every moment is tiring.
And you wonder why you feeloverwhelmed and burnout, Most of
the women that come into thegroup and the women I coach are
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burnt out.
They don't know why it's aphysical thing also, Because
that's what happens with burnoutand you don't even know it.
So when you come into a space.
Where you finally feel seen andyou can finally unmask, you can
see it?
Just your shoulders no longer attheir like earaches.
Like they come down.
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Yeah.
And they have conversationsthey've never had and they're
tears and there's crying, butthere's cheering on.
The other side is a place whereI can ask that question.
I can say that thing thatanybody else might think is
crazy.
Or I might think, you know,anybody else is just not gonna
understand or I can just listento other people and support them
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in that way.
It is, it's a palpableexperience and it's something
that again, can like begin toheal you.
And when you start to have thosehealing, it can be like, well
what can I do with my A DHD?
'cause so many people are justtrying to fight it.
Fight it.
I just won't get rid of it.
I just want it to go away.
Can you just, I don't take yourmagic wand.
It's like, no, I can't, but whywould you?
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This is just part of who youare, so it's not, what you are.
It's just a part of who you are.
So when you start to unmask, youcan start to love yourself.
And there's, there's nothinglike seeing somebody lose all
those, that veneer, all thatshielding that they have to have
all day, every day and begin tolove themselves.
Go out in the world and thenstart doing it for other people.
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That to me is even the bestpart.
'cause then they leave and thepeople that they already know,
whether they decide to docoaching or something like that.
But they'll come and they'll,you know, maybe gather one or
two people and say, Hey, I foundout about this and I wanna let
you know.
Because that's really how we aregonna change the world.
We don't love the medicalsystem.
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There have definitely been partsof the medical system, like we
mentioned earlier, that don'tfit for us.
But when somebody who, you know,in your own community says, Hey,
I got something that can helpyou, we're more likely to try
that.
And so that's another reason whyit's so important.
So people can, again, start toget the help that they need on
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their own terms.
I love that.
So as we're thinking about thefuture and, bringing people
together, where do we start?
I told you before we started isI am nervous to have these
conversations'cause I wanna beright and I wanna do it
perfectly classic.
I want it to be beautiful rightaway and to have it all figured
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out.
But the truth is, withoutstarting, without making
mistakes, without saying thewrong thing, to understand what
the right thing is to say, Idon't have an idea.
Of what to do next.
And so I think part of it istruly understanding like what I
want the world to be one day andwhat that vision is coming back
to the coaching space.
And that's what I do withorganizing too, right?
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Like you can't organize thespace without actually knowing
where you're going.
So where do we start having theconversations?
Obviously right here we are,where we've started.
But if people are listening athome and they want to have some
of these harder conversationsand start to talk about like
where can we find oursimilarities and start to
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understand each other for who weare, and then embrace each other
for our differences.
'cause it helps us understandthe world from a new and better
perspective.
Where would you suggest westart?
From a place of, understandingbut not a place of expectations,
right?
Mm.
So we, like, when you reachedout to me, you just, you didn't
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know me.
You just reached out on LinkedInand you were like, Hey, this is
what I'm thinking about.
You know, I really think thatthis is important, and I really
hope that's something that wecan at least have a conversation
about, you know, and decide ifyou wanna do the podcast.
A that I felt that was brave.
'cause you didn't know me atall.
You didn't come with anintroduction or anything, and
you didn't come with anexpectation, right?
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You were like, this is mythoughts and I'd love to have a
conversation about yourthoughts.
And I, so I think that is howpeople can proceed.
Not having a bunch ofexpectations, not expecting
someone else to do the work.
Asking questions that make senseand allowing someone.
To say, Hey, that's not reallythe way you would say it, or
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That's not cool.
Right?
Yeah.
And for you to take that not asa criticism, right?
Which sometimes IHD, the RSDgoes, no, clearly I'm wrong.
Clearly I, it's always to takethat breath, that I tell my
clients when that happens, youknow what that feels like.
Mm-hmm.
So when you feel that, thatmeans to take a breath and go,
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that is just my RSD doing it,what it does.
What should I do instead?
What's gonna be better for me orthis situation?
And then doing that instead,because that I think is what
happens.
Like you feel you come in andmore nervous, then maybe RSD
kicks in and you're morenervous.
Now I don't know what to say.
Now I'm just totally all overthe place, or I'm not gonna say
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anything.
Or I'm never gonna revisit it ifit didn't go well and to.
Take a second and say, nothaving expectations, can I ask
you some questions?
You asking first?
Because of being curious andvice versa, right?
Allowing people to speak in theway they need to, to speak and
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having people be believed, Ithink that that is something
that we don't really talk about.
Because they're just like, thatstory I told you earlier about
my friend, having a diagnosis ofnarcissistic personality
disorder while she was, youknow, residency.
That's a story that some peopleare like, that couldn't have
happened.
You kidding?
Why would somebody do that?
Like, that doesn't make anysense.
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It's like, yeah, it makes nosense, but it happened.
And a lot of times people don'tbelieve the things that are,
currently happening.
So it's to believe the storiesthat, we tell this is our lived
experience and to have it have ameaning, right?
So addressing it from there andnot discounting it, because that
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is really where it's hurtful andit's hard.
And I think that's when we don'tmake any movement.
Then you can tell people abouthow it could work better for me.
What do you mean that you mightneed what you got five alarms
on.
For what?
Why?
Nobody would need five alarms.
Oh.
You showed up there and peopleacted like they didn't know who
you were.
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Things like that happen.
People, you go places and theyact like they might not know who
you are people will saydifferent things, or maybe you
won't get a job, or you won't beperceived as somebody that could
handle something because you'reblack.
And many times they'll be like,well, did they say that?
It's like they didn't have tosay it.
These are things that happen allthe time.
And then sometimes you wonderwhy people don't wanna talk to
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each other.
So it's to believe them.
And if you really can't wrapyour head around it, it's to ask
a question.
You think that happened?
Why do you think that wouldhappen?
Or what do you think that wecould do about that?
Or, are you okay?
Yeah.
Okay.
That's beautiful.
And also, if you're listening tothis and you don't know where to
start with questions, chat, GPTis amazing.
Go in and say like, I don't knowwhat questions to ask.
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So tell me what questions toask.
have something, a referencepoint to start with.
Because the more you practice,the more you'll get better at
it.
I think.
That's one of the reasons why Iwanted to become a coach is
because.
People are fascinating.
Whether you live in Texas orMassachusetts or California,
you're gonna look at the worldtotally different.
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And then based on the way thatyou were raised or the color of
your skin, you're gonna look atthings differently and, and
based on your lived experiences,you're gonna look at things
differently.
And we only know what peoplebelieve about something when you
do start to ask questions andstart to understand things from
a whole new perspective.
And.
I think it's so valuable and I'mlooking forward to continuing to
have these conversations.
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So tell me, as an A DHD coachand someone who works with
people with A DHD all the time,and you have a DHD, how do you
possibly stay organized witheverything going on and, and
managing so many people?
And what does that look like toyou?
It depends on the day.
Right.
Okay, cool.
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Yeah.
What's interesting is likepeople think, oh, you're an A DH
ADHD coach, so you must have itall together and it must be, you
know, organized in thatbeautiful, pristine way.
And I'm here to say that is nottrue.
Um, I think what most peoplegenerally, but especially with A
DHD, it just looks like it'sorganized in a way that works
for my brain, right?
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So for my brain, there is.
You can see the desk, in frontof me.
'cause the desk behind me looksall, you know, curated looks.
Oh, yeah.
We, yeah.
Like the desk in front of me hasclutter on it.
Right.
Because there's a certain levelof clutter that I'm gonna have
to live with to have things out,because I need to see some
things.
If I put it away, I, I'm gonnalose it.
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Mm-hmm.
So knowing that a certain amountof clutter is.
Just where I live.
It's organized in a way where Iknow what I need to see.
I like to only do like threethings a day, if possible.
Break that task down, make sureI'm breaking it down to task in
that projects.
definitely do that and maybehave a bonus one.
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it's funny, I was gonna try todo the thing where it's like,
oh, you only see clients onthese days, and it's no.
I like to see clients all thedays.
I don't have as much room forone-on-ones, you know, starting
a lot of groups, but I like tohave that interaction.
But in between the interactionsI have, because I work from home
now, I do a lot of houseworkthen.
Right?
Because that half an hour,whatever, it's great.
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It's great to, I don't know,vacuum the carpet or whatever.
And actually get some thingsdone.
And so that at the end of myworkday, I'm not like, oh my
goodness, I need to do this or Ineed to do that.
Like it's done in small bits.
It didn't feel like extra, itwasn't something where I was
trying to split my brain to domaybe coaching time and then
like paperwork book work.
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Like I can't do that, but I cango and I don't know, unload the
dishwasher.
it's a way to keep me organizedbecause it keeps me going
because if I start to dosomething else.
Then I would be all, all overthe place.
And my clients have to get,quite frankly, they have to keep
me organized because again, whenyou do stuff together, we know
what time we're meeting, I knowyou know what notes we're doing,
(36:19):
and they are ready and, eager todo things that's gonna move
themselves forward, which helpsto keep us organized.
And we work on it together inwhatever ways works for you and
whatever works for you on thatday.
Right.
Yeah.
whatever works for your brain,right?
Because what works for you isnot gonna work for me.
(36:40):
Or maybe it might, but onlycertain aspects of it.
'cause no matter what, I'm gonnaadjust it to whomever I am and
whatever I do.
So case in point right there.
But then in addition to thatthere's a certain amount of
clutter that you could accept assomething that you need in order
to thrive in your own world.
And that's okay.
There's nothing wrong with that,and everybody gets to define
(37:02):
what that clutter or what theirorganized space means to them,
and that's part of that futurethinking again.
I love you said earlier reallyaccepting your brain with a DHD?
What kind of advice would yougive to person who's seeking
acceptance of their brain?
Trying to figure out if I dohave a DHD, like, what the heck
(37:23):
do I do next?
It's interesting, when I get alot of new clients, because most
of my clients are, older women,like over 40.
So you've been going around allthis time not knowing that you
had a DHD, so late stagediagnosis.
They'll get diagnosed and go,now I know, but does it mean I
(37:44):
can't, you know, I can't doanything.
Or they start to feel likethere's something wrong with
them now.
And I'm like, did you feel likethere was something wrong with
you?
Not that you were confused orlike you saw things and you
didn't know it was happening,but now you're deciding that
this is a disability.
Right.
And that means I can't doanything.
And I'm like, you were doingthings before.
You've made it into your fortiesand living your life.
(38:05):
Then you've been able to figuresome things out.
Yeah.
And so to know that you canfigure some things out, like it
doesn't have to be a disabilityand to lean into how did you
figure it out before?
Because that is the acceptance,right?
Not being like, oh, I'maccepting that there was just
like something totally wrongwith me.
(38:25):
That our brains are just if theyfunction in a different way.
And is that okay?
I say it is.
And when you do the things in away that your brain tells you to
do, generally it works outbetter for you.
Now, I'm not saying it works outbetter for everybody else'cause
those are their assumption, butI will say for you, you're just
like, yeah, that was great.
(38:47):
So when you can start to leaninto that.
Sometimes other people willstart to, once they see you
thriving, sometimes they'll justget outta your way.
Right?
They might not like it, theymight not understand it, but
sometimes they'll just be like,all right, ADHD is a real
diagnosable condition.
You're not crazy, lazy orstupid, but this is something
(39:08):
that's happening.
And when you can lean into yourstrength, like amazing.
I have amazing women I work withthat are doing all kinds of
amazing things.
Some of which I can't even tellyou because it's off my pay
grade to know the things thatthey're trying to explain to me
they're doing like in tech and.
As long as they stay in thatzone of genius we can work with
(39:28):
the other parts of the A DHDthat are the parts of your
weaknesses.
We bolster them up.
So that's how you begin toaccept.
'cause when you accept that it'sworking well, it's well what if
I just kept doing that?
Yeah.
I love that perspective.
Thank you so much.
Where can my listeners find you?
So I am.
At inger she.com, I'm at Inger,she everywhere.
(39:50):
LinkedIn, all the socials,Facebook, whatever they are.
so inger she.com is where youcan find me, and that's the A
DHD, black ProfessionalsAlliance.
Thank you so much for having me.
Thank you so much for coming onand having this conversation.
I'd love to have you on again inthe future and, talk more about
(40:10):
A DHD and how we can continue towork together to help people
know that they're not broken.
They've gotta find what worksfor them.
I love that strengthsconversation.
I think it's beautiful.
So thank you.
You are welcome.
I had so much fun re-listeningto this interview and this
conversation.
There were so many othertakeaways that I had and I
wanted to share them with you.
One of them was accepting A DHD,so you might know you have it,
(40:32):
but are you accepting it?
And that was really powerful forme because I know when I was
first diagnosed with A DHD, Ithought, okay, well cool.
I'm just going to keep trying todo all the same things the same
way.
I've always known how.
I just now know I have a DH, D,right?
So not a lot of things changeduntil I started to do some more
research and really acceptingthat I'm not gonna show up the
(40:56):
same way every single day.
And my executive dysfunction isgonna get in my way a lot, I
thought it was really powerfulwhen she was talking about how
she couldn't understand why somedays it went so great that life,
she could just conquer it in somany amazing ways and how
sometimes she just couldn't makeit make sense.
(41:19):
A DHD makes it make sense.
It's just about understandinghow do we give ourselves grace
on the days that we're not ableto show up.
She talks about how community isa place for you to heal, and
that's really powerful when youfind people who know what you've
been through and are there tosupport you and help you
understand that you're notalone.
It just feels better.
(41:40):
I mean, especially when youdon't have to prove yourself
first.
I joined a networking group whenI first started my business, and
the entire time I felt like Ihad to prove myself in order for
people to truly accept me.
And so I left because thatwasn't the type of community I
wanted to sign up for.
(42:01):
I wanted to be a part ofcommunity where you didn't have
to prove yourself, people justbelieved in you so that you
could grow and succeed A DHD.
It's a part of who you are, notwhat you are.
That was beautiful.
It is a part of who you are, butit's not what you are.
(42:22):
There's so much more to you.
Then simply A DH, D.
So go check out Inger, all thelinks to connect with her are in
the show notes below.
And in addition to that, ifyou're ready to join a community
and you feel like mine is theright one for you, I would love
to invite you in.
The doors are open until the endof June, and then I'm shutting
(42:43):
the doors for the rest of thesummer so that we can really get
to know each other.
And there's something to be saidfor just building community with
the people you're with, and thedoors won't open again until
this fall.
You'll also get a really goodlook into what it's like to
downsize and move across thecountry with four animals and
(43:03):
two kids also while building abusiness because this business
is still being built.
If you guys wanna send mehealing thoughts that would be
really amazing.
But on another note, if you justwanna leave a review or shoot me
an email on how this podcast hasimpacted you and your life, i'd
love to hear it.
Thanks so much for tuning in.
Have a great week.
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