Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Audio Only - All Participan (00:39):
Hi,
happy December, and I'm so
excited to be coming to you withthis episode today.
Today, I have immense gratitudefor all of you all tuning in.
Thank you so much for listeningweek after week, and if you're
new here, thanks so much forlistening to this episode.
So I just logged in to see mySpotify wrapped for the year,
and there were so many commentsI had no idea that people had
(01:01):
left.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for readingand reviewing the podcast.
That's how this podcast getsshared.
and thank you.
Even more so for reaching outand telling me how this podcast
influences you.
This week we are continuingthrough the messy middle, and my
(01:22):
husband is on his third week ofwork.
He just got paid for the firsttime.
We have benefits again.
This is insane.
It feels like we are rebuildinga foundation that we had left in
Colorado and it feels reallygood.
I don't think I realized howmuch it had taken a toll on my
nervous system.
It was as if we were in survivalmode for a really long time.
(01:43):
when you send me comments andthings that resonate with you in
the podcast, it means so much tome.
I'm so incredibly gratefulbecause when there are hard
days, I read those comments,they keep me going, and they
really helped me continue tocome with more content.
This is constant.
This is what I study.
This is literally I am learningsomething new and creating new.
(02:06):
Understanding of what'shappening in our A DHD brains
every single day.
And as you've noticed, thispodcast is so much more than
just organizing because ourlives mirrors what's happening
in our brain.
So if it's happening on theoutside with our physical stuff,
it's typically happening on theinside too, with our to-do lists
(02:26):
with our.
With our email with, oh my gosh,our, everything.
Everything.
So as I'm talking today, I'mgonna be talking to you about
clutter, but this stuff is everyexperience we have in the world.
This.
This will show up in everythingthat you do when it comes to A
DHD.
(02:46):
It's fascinating.
So today we're gonna talk aboutwhat regulation is and how you
react to your clutter.
People have been throwing aroundthe word regulation a lot.
Even I have been throwing aroundthis word, and sometimes it's
like, okay, but what do we do toget regulated?
What does that look like?
What does that feel like?
What's the hack?
Right?
But this is the type of thingthat is a life long journey.
(03:08):
Okay?
So hear me out.
Being regulated the way that Ihave interpreted it through
studying, through reading,through taking classes is when
you are regulated, you areoperating from your prefrontal
cortex.
It is your front brain.
It is the brain that isresponsible for logical thought
decision making and organizing.
(03:30):
And when you are dysregulated,you are operating from the back
of your brain, from theamygdala, from your emotional
response center.
Now the amygdala is classicallyresponsible for keeping you
safe, and it keeps you safe byhelping you understand when you
(03:51):
are in danger, and then youreact accordingly.
And those responses are fight,flight, freeze, or appease.
You say Fawn too, but I like theword appease, so we're gonna use
that.
So we react to our environmentby scanning it for threats.
And when we see a threat, we aregoing into fight mode.
(04:11):
We go into freeze mode, we gointo flight mode, or we go into
appease mode.
As we go into this, I want youto remember that none of the way
that you react to things iswrong.
You've been practicing this yourwhole life because your body and
your brain are trying to keepyou safe.
It's designed that way becausewe used to live we're wild
(04:33):
animals where all the time, andwe needed to learn how to keep
ourselves safe and to understandthat our brain was gonna do
anything in its power to dothat.
But our threats now show up inthe form of.
Comments online from peoplesending texts that may have a
wrong tone to them.
It shows up in the form ofdishes that may not have been
(04:54):
done the night before.
It shows up in a doom pile inthe corner.
All of these threats are now nota saber tooth tiger, but they
are things that make us react ina certain way.
And because we're in this go,go, go mindset all the time,
it's hard to pause and to reallysee how this is affecting us.
(05:16):
Just real quick about my journeyinto the regulation and
understanding it is Iinterviewed Jenna free last year
on the podcast, and I rememberher talking about regulation.
I had seen a couple of hervideos.
I was like, come on.
I already know all of this, butcome on the podcast and let's
talk about it.
Okay.
It turns out I knew nothing, butI was like, yeah, I do yoga.
Of course I'm regulated.
(05:37):
That was my understanding of itin the moment.
But then she started sayingthings like, it's not about
going to yoga.
It's not about being regulatedin these environments where
you're supposed to be regulated.
It's like calming and quiet.
It's about learning how toregulate in the day to day, in
the crap, in the shittysituations that you are in on a
(06:00):
regular basis.
So I continued to learn.
I continued to start to observemy own environments.
Of course, listen to podcasts,I'm reading, and I came across
Mindful as a mother.
Now they are Paige and Lindsay.
They're a therapist team andthey Help parents understand how
(06:21):
to parent their neurodivergentchildren.
Of course I have an A DHD or andan autistic child at home.
So I am dying to learn how I canbecome a parent that is not only
non-reactive because I grew upwith an angry mom.
And so as I continue to learn inmy own journey, I realized that
(06:41):
as much as I wanted to bedifferent than her.
As my kids reacted to things, Iimmediately had reactions to
things too.
And so there was a lot more thatI had to learn.
So I realized pretty quicklythat I needed to start to dive
in to more than just trying tostop it, trying to say, oh my
gosh, how do I force myself intonot being angry?
(07:03):
How do I force myself into beinga better mom and stop shaming
myself over, yelling.
And one of my mottos, one of thethings I say to myself on a
regular basis is I'm going to domy very best until I know
better.
And when I know better, I'mgoing to do better.
And it is my goal to be alifelong learner, and I'm gonna
constantly learn and then ofcourse, keep you all up to date
(07:25):
with what I'm learning andobserving and how I'm working
with clients and how it'sshowing up in our A DHD.
Fascinating stuff.
So I signed up for this coursethrough Mindful as a Mother,
where they talk about parentingyour neurodivergent children
from a space where you learn howto regulate yourself first.
For example, when you are in asituation and they're reacting,
(07:46):
right, they're in meltdown mode,and then you're trying to help,
but you're yelling at them andyou're just trying to tell them
to stop, that's not gonna work.
What you have to do is actuallycalm yourself first.
I highly recommend you checkingthem out.
They have a podcast.
They also have a community.
I learn something new from themevery time I hear them speak
(08:07):
because they are constantlytalking about how to do things a
little bit differently.
The different tools that are outthere, constantly changing the
tools.
'cause sometimes the tool willwork for a little bit and then
you'll have to change it.
But my regulation journey trulybegan with noticing how I
reacted and what my triggerswere with Mindful as a mother.
(08:29):
And I can honestly tell you thatas a mom now, I am a completely
different human than what I waswhen I first started working
with them, because I nowrecognize when I am getting
overstimulated when I need totap out.
When I need to regulate ordemonstrate and show my kids
(08:50):
what I'm doing to calm myselfand to also understand that it's
actually not a bad thing to beangry.
It's teaching us something thatwe need to understand about our
life.
It's giving us evidence into.
Understanding our world, it'sgiving us data, and all of this
is giving us so much data, andit's so good once you start to
see it as data and not assomething that you're like
(09:13):
constantly judging yourself for,because literally none of us
have ever gotten anywhere fromshaming ourselves into doing
something.
There's not anyone out therethat has written a self-help
book on, oh, well, all I did wasbeat myself up for months and
months, and then one day Ifinally did it.
That's not the way that itworks.
(09:34):
But the truth is, is that wehave a habit of beating
ourselves up.
Guess what?
That's actually dysregulation.
That's something that we do tokeep ourselves comfortable,
which is insane.
So.
Let's dive into how this showsup in our clutter and why we
stay stuck in this cycle ofdysregulation when it comes to
(09:56):
life.
Now, I highly recommend yougoing to check out Jenna Free,
because she doesn't talk aboutthe clutter piece of it.
She talks about the life pieceof it.
As an A DHD, I also encourageyou to go check out Mindful as a
mother, and then Laura Hope, whoI had on the podcast a couple
weeks ago she is absolutelyincredible and.
She talks about, regulation whenwe are choosing to skin pick and
(10:21):
hair pull and do all of theseother things.
And it's fascinating the workthat she's doing too.
She's also in my community andshe's doing a really cool
workshop this month.
I'm so excited.
So without further ado, let'stalk about how we react to our
clutter.
I have mentioned this on thepodcast multiple times, but
angry cleaning.
(10:42):
Well, guess what?
This is it's fight mode andlet's talk about how it shows
up.
'cause I know that this willresonate with some of you.
So you're coming up for airafter having a really long day
and you're looking around yourkitchen and all over the place
is.
Papers from the kids' school andthere's a cereal box still out
(11:02):
and open.
The milk has actually been leftout from this morning, and
you're noticing all of thesethings that have not gotten put
away There's dishes still in thesink from last night, and the
dishwasher hasn't been run, andyou get so angry it turns on and
(11:23):
now.
It's three hours later andyou're scrubbing baseboards and
you're like, how the hell did Iget here?
Now this shows up not becauseyou're doing anything wrong, but
because it is a symptom to alarger problem at hand.
this precise thing happened tome about a year and a half ago
(11:46):
now.
and I'm like, why am I here?
I was down on the floorscrubbing the baseboards.
I've talked about this in apodcast before too, and I'm
like, wow, what got me here?
And I'm like, oh if I'm trulyanalyzing this.
I don't have any systems.
I kind of hate the word systems,so bear with me here, but I
don't have a process for gettingthe dishes done every night.
We just kind of hope for thebest and I don't have a process
(12:10):
for the kids' paperwork, right?
We just hope for the best andone day we go through it and I
don't ask for help.
In fact, I actually push peopleaway because.
I'm afraid that they're gonna doit wrong.
So I want the help desperately,and I need the help because I
can't do this all on my own, butI'm so afraid that other people
are going to do it wrong, that Iwould just rather do it myself.
(12:33):
This is a control thing, huh?
Oh, shit.
That's a lot.
But because I don't ask forhelp, because I don't have any
systems in place, because Idon't have a process for doing
this, all of it comes up and Isee this as a threat, and now
I'm attacking the threat.
I'm fighting.
I'm not consciously going in andsaying, I would like to attack
(12:54):
all of my stuff right now andI'm gonna make it all clean.
Now, is this productive?
Yes.
And am I judging you for tellingyou about this?
No.
I've done it myself, andsometimes I still catch myself
going into this mode, but I'llget to that in a minute.
This is nothing wrong.
This is just something thatwe've trained ourselves to do.
In fact, it's kind of funny insome households, we angry clean,
(13:16):
right?
Oh, mom's about to rage clean.
And sometimes, you know, peoplejoin in, sometimes your family
goes to hide.
And sometimes this is the timewhere you start to tell yourself
all of these stories about whyyou're angry and why it's
everyone else's fault in yourhead, when truly there's
something so much biggerhappening.
I was on Dana K White's podcastlast year and I talk about
(13:37):
dysregulation I was explainingthat there was one day I was
cleaning my garage and I was infull on fight mode and I
remember I had been in thegarage for hours and all of a
sudden.
I saw the stuff to wash my car.
I was like, oh, I'm gonna washthe car right now.
Something in the back of my headwas like, you can't, you don't
have the capacity to, your brainis so far gone.
(14:00):
Why would you do that right now?
That is maniacal.
But I shoved that little voiceback down.
I was like, you shut up.
Little voice.
I washed the car and it took meabout an hour and a half because
not only did I wash the car, butlike I got really down and dirty
into it.
Like I think my father-in-lawhad given us this shine polish
(14:22):
and used some de scratchierstuff.
That's probably the technicalterm for it, and I went haywire.
I went to town and I got the carcleaned.
Well, what was really happeningin that moment?
That my husband was actuallyaway for the weekend and we're
not used to that.
This was a change.
This was different.
This was the unknown, and so Ichose to fight my environment.
(14:45):
That was what I could control inthe moment.
Instead of actually taking careof myself or making plans with
the girls or making a memory ofjust us, I had to fight my stuff
and that was something that Idid to keep myself comfortable.
It's fascinating.
It's just fascinating.
Okay.
So that's not the only way thatwe respond to our clutter
(15:09):
because there is also, and somany of you will relate to this.
There is flight mode.
You cute little birdies.
You little buzzy bees.
Here's the scenario.
I'm gonna start by washing thedishes.
But I see.
There is a dish rag that needsto be washed.
So you know what?
I'm gonna start a load oflaundry.
I'll come back to the dishes,but I'm gonna start a load of
laundry.
(15:29):
So I'm gonna throw thisdownstairs, but let me actually
go get the rest of the laundryand let me get a couple loads
done.
But I'm loading the laundry nowand I see that there's.
Stuff in the dryer that needs tobe taken out and there's a load
of wet laundry that needs to bemoved over.
Okay.
Well, I'm gonna do all of this,but let me go ahead and put away
the girls' clothes real quickbecause these are all dry.
(15:51):
So I'm gonna walk into thegirls' room and oh my gosh,
there's stuff everywhere.
I'm just gonna pick this up realquick because here's the thing,
There's nothing wrong with thisagain, but it's more data and it
keeps us stuck because what am Idoing?
I'm starting a bunch of things.
And I'm not finishing a damnthing.
I am just running around fromplace to place doing things
(16:12):
because I'm noticing things, andpart of me noticing and doing
right away is I'm scared thatI'm not going to remember to do
it in the future.
And I'm in motion mode now.
I am an action mode and I'mtaking advantage of it.
Okay, I'm gonna do all of thesethings because if I sit down and
I realize I'm exhausted, I'm notgonna get back up and finish any
(16:34):
of these things.
There's nothing wrong with this,but this is what keeps us stuck.
Did you guys see that Instagramvideo where the woman leashes
herself to the dishwasher?
I think I had like 10 peoplesend it to me, and I love that
you sent it to me because thisis so real.
Oh my God.
Why can't we just stay in oneplace and do something?
Well, it's because naturally.
(16:54):
We get excited about startingsomething, but finishing it,
Ugh.
It's awful.
I've seen it in my clients, my,when we're having a decluttering
session, it's like, I don'twanna do this anymore.
Can we actually go over therenow?
And I'm like, no.
Stay right here.
You stay right here.
You cutie pie.
You are safe.
You are safe.
And we can make decisions on therest of this stuff, but it's not
(17:15):
exciting anymore.
So we start to fly to all ofthese other places.
Now at the end of the day, we'relike, what did I even do?
I've done so many things, butnothing's finished.
That's part of the reason why Isay when everything is
important, nothing is important.
That's because we're not gettinganything done.
(18:47):
But it is uncomfortable tofinish a task because it's not
as exciting anymore.
and plus we feel like we'realways in a rush and we don't
have any time to get it done.
More to that, but I wanna thenmove on to freeze mode.
Because freeze mode is somethingthat we experience a lot as
well, and this is when Let'spretend you have a day off and
(19:11):
you're like, I'm gonna get somuch done today.
There's so much I need to getdone, and I can't wait to get it
all done.
So you're sitting on the couch,you're drinking coffee, and now
you start to think abouteverything that needs to be
done.
Well, you see a doom box.
In the corner and you're like,well, I'm not gonna do that, but
I need to do that.
But also I need to order foodfor the animals, and I have a
to-do list that's about a milelong.
(19:32):
And then you start to thinkabout things that you're doing
at work, but you're like, no, Ican't think about work right
now.
I'm thinking about home.
But then you need to sign up thekids for dance class.
And then you also need to washthe dishes, but you don't wanna
wash the dishes and you alsodon't wanna do the laundry.
Actually, I'd much rather do acraft.
And what if I just.
Started to decorate forChristmas instead, but then
(19:52):
because all of that is sooverwhelming, everything needs
to be done all at once.
I saw another video the otherday of this man trying to
explain what A DHD was like, andit was like everything that I
just said.
But he started playing all ofthese to-dos.
Over each other.
(20:12):
So like it was just the voices.
Loud, loud, loud, right?
Like you're saying everything atthe same time.
And then I saw another videowhere this guy was writing all
the to-dos down and he was justwriting them on top of each
other, right?
So it was just like 10 to-dos,but they were all on the same
line, written over each other.
So nothing was clear.
You didn't understand what to dobecause they were all in this.
(20:32):
You were like, okay, I'm gonnado all of these things.
Okay, let me sit down andscroll.
Our brain wants to do everythingall at once.
And that's why so many peoplecome to me and they're like, I
don't know where to start.
Yeah,'cause you've got like 30things you're telling yourself
you need to do all in thismoment, that's a threat.
Again, you're being threatenedby all of these things that are
(20:53):
staring at you, but instead ofdoing anything, we freeze.
'cause we're like, where thehell do I go from here?
I can't start decorating becausethe pets need food, but I can't
order food for the pets becausethat doom pile over there needs
to get done.
And I have people coming over,But I can't order food for the
pets because I need to budget,and I don't feel like budgeting
(21:13):
right now.
All of these things come up atonce, so instead we do what
makes us feel comfortable andlet's scroll.
Let's avoid this.
No, no, no.
I'm just going to sit here andI'm gonna make myself feel
better because all of that shitis uncomfortable.
And then guess what?
We've had a day off.
We haven't done anything, andwe're like, what have we done
with our lives?
Okay.
We keep ourselves stuck.
And then the last way we reactto our clutter is we appease.
(21:38):
We do it for everyone else.
I think what's reallyinteresting about this one is
this oftentimes comes up when wehave people coming over.
Well, there's people coming overnow.
Okay, well, I must, I must nowgive the illusion that we have
everything together and that mylife is not, in fact, chaotic
and there's things everywhere.
(21:58):
Not only all over my brain, butall over my home.
I now must show people and makethem feel comfortable in my own
home, and so I'm going to.
Organized, not for myself, butfor them.
What's interesting about this isthat oftentimes we know people
are coming over like way aheadof time and it's funny.
It's like, oh, well now I have adeadline.
I must clean now.
(22:19):
Okay.
But it is a threat because wedon't actually want people to
see the real us.
And I thought about it earliertoday.
What a gift.
If someone allows you into theirhome and they haven't cleaned
up, they haven't tidied for you,what a gift that truly is.
Because they trust you enough tosee into their home to welcome
(22:40):
you into this vulnerable spacewhere they don't feel like they
need to clean for you,Regardless, we appease and so
we're trying to make things lookbetter for everyone else.
Now, this keeps us stuckbecause.
Now we're doing things in haste.
We have a deadline and we're notplanning ahead for it.
It's not like, oh, I know myfriends are coming over Friday,
so let me clean like a maniac onMonday and then Tuesday.
(23:04):
No, we're gonna hope for thebest again, and we're gonna
either.
Do it the night before becausethey're coming in the morning or
we're gonna do it that morning'cause they're coming in the
afternoon and we're not makingany intentional decisions on our
stuff.
We're literally just puttingthings in places to make it look
pretty.
We're not concerned aboutfunctionality at all.
(23:24):
In fact, we're not thinkingabout our future selves.
We're literally just thinkingabout the person coming over
what they're gonna think aboutus.
And we are going to allow ourfuture selves to suffer because
it doesn't matter if we shoveeverything in this room and
close the door, at least peoplewon't truly see what it's like.
And that's crazy because nowfuture self is like, where the
(23:46):
hell did I put that thing?
What the hell did I do with thatthing that I meant to do this
with?
But I remember it was here, butthen I remember cleaning, but I
actually, I wasn't here.
I wasn't in my brain up here toknow what I did with it.
we do so many things onautopilot without fully thinking
about it, because we areconstantly reacting to our
(24:09):
environment as a threat.
Not as a purposeful, let's dothis shit, let's get it done,
type of thing.
We are constantly in fight orflight mode, and it is
fascinating.
Over the summer, I decided tosign up for the regulation
course offered through JennaFree with ADHD.
(24:30):
Love it was really, reallyeye-opening and incredible.
I have been incorporating theknowledge and the practices into
my coaching because I think thatthis is ultimately fundamental
to us getting in front ofunderstanding our brain so that
we can not only unmask, buttruly understand how to go about
life.
Not trying to fix our A DHD, butunderstand it in a way that we
(24:53):
can advocate for ourselves andnotice more and more to live the
lives that we want.
I wanna read to you my missionbecause I've worked really hard
on this and my vision for theworld, my mission, I help women
with A DHD discover theirstrength, rebuild self-trust,
and create lives that trulysupport who they are.
Together we replace shame withunderstanding, shift limiting
(25:15):
beliefs to new perspectives, andtake small guided actions that
build trust and momentum thatlasts.
And my vision.
I want to live in a world wherewomen with A DHD trust
themselves fully and live inspaces that reflect that trust,
calm, creative, and alive withpossibility where regulation.
(25:35):
Practice replaces shame andprogress no matter how small is
celebrated as proof of growth.
I envision communities wherewomen lead with self-awareness.
Honor their capacity and modelwhat it looks like to live
gently, bravely, and on theirown terms.
You can see that on my websiteas well.
(25:56):
I say that because when you areoperating from a place or fight
or flight, the first step hereis to notice.
Now I think that you can relatewith a lot of the things I'm
talking about today, but stepone is really to notice what's
happening here.
And when you notice the, thisgives you insight into starting
to get curious about what'shappening after this episode.
(26:20):
The only thing I want you to do,you're not fixing anything,
you're not doing anything butnoticing and collecting data.
You're collecting data on yourhabits, your patterns, and what
you see now, you might start tosee that on the Pandora's box
has been opened and you're like,oh my God, I just wanna shove it
back in there.
But now you can't.
You do your best until you knowbetter, and now you know better
(26:42):
and it's gonna be hard to notknow better.
But because you've unpackedPandora's box when you're
noticing, When you notice, youcan pause.
Inhale, exhale, relax yourshoulders, and remind yourself
that you are safe.
I'm gonna put my hands across myshoulders here.
You are actually safe.
from the world, you are in asafe space.
(27:04):
I just wanna say that if youhave a bear in your house or
like a saber tooth tiger, you'renot safe.
So you don't need to convinceyourself you're safe if you're
not actually safe.
But if you are trying to runfrom your clutter or the stuff
that is uncomfortable, you aresafe.
You are safe.
(27:24):
And so many of the tools, outthere are ways to remind you
that you're safe.
But now knowing this, it canactually help you more.
So some of the regulation tools,aside from simply just relaxing
your shoulders and remindingyourself you're safe in real
time.
like Dana Kay White's firstrule.
(27:46):
Where would I go to look forthis if I were trying to find
it?
I talk about it all the timebecause you are literally
supporting future you intrusting yourself.
You're building that self-trust.
But saying that out loud andactually asking yourself that
question is a regulation tool tobring yourself into your logical
brain to make a logical choiceon where this thing is going to
(28:08):
live because you know whereyou're gonna go to look for it.
Fascinating body doubling.
Body doubling is a conscious.
Activator, right?
Like you're in this room, you'retelling people what you're
doing, and now you might driftoff and go off into like all of
these distracted worlds that youlive in, right?
Squirrel.
And because you're in a room ofother people, you're like, oh
(28:30):
yeah, I'm in this room.
And you're like, what was Idoing?
Oh yeah, that was what I wasdoing.
And the more you notice and themore you practice this, the more
you can actually stay on task alittle bit more.
It's fascinating stuff.
I cannot wait to tell you moreand share more stories.
I just love the fact that we'renot alone in this.
I see it show up in everybody'slife.
Even the people who have theorganizing part of it down,
(28:53):
there's another part of it thatthey're reacting from a place of
fight or flight It's fascinatingstuff.
What I would love from you evenmore as you're listening to this
episode, I don't even care ifit's a year from now and you're
listening to this episode, or ifthis was three years in the
past.
Send me an email mags atorganizing an ADHD brain.com.
Share with me somethingridiculous that you have done in
(29:16):
one of these modes.
Fight, flight, freeze, orappease.
I would love to hear some of thethings you're now noticing
because this is enlightened youin a way that helps you
understand.
Just knowing is the first step.
Noticing is going to allow youto understand your habits and
the things that you do, and thenyou get to remind yourself that
(29:37):
you're safe.
It's fricking cool.
It really is, and you're notalone.
On that note, I've decided totake the rest of December off
The community opens again onJanuary 1st.
I'm so excited about that.
I will be taking on two moreclients in the month of January,
so if you're interested, Iencourage you to get into my
schedule now so that you candecide if that's the right step
(29:59):
for you or not, and I will seeyou in the new year.
Have an incredible December.