June 1, 2024 • 41 mins
In this episode, Dr. Roldan interviews Kelly Bluth, a multi-passionate woman who is a teacher, certified holistic nutritionist, and copywriter. They discuss the importance of gut health and its connection to mental health, as well as the transition into perimenopause and the need for support and education during this phase. They also explore the benefits of breath work and movement for mental health and provide advice for starting a healing journey.
Takeaways
- Gut health is closely connected to mental health, and taking care of the gut can have a positive impact on overall well-being.
- Perimenopause is a phase that many women go through and it is important to have the tools and knowledge to support oneself during this time.
- Breath work and movement, such as walking or dancing, can be beneficial for mental health and provide a sense of presence and calm.
- Starting a healing journey requires curiosity, experimentation, and finding a supportive community.
- It is important to prioritize self-care and seek help from professionals, such as therapists, when needed.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello beautiful souls and welcome to Oroasis
Community Podcast.
I am Dr Roldan, your host.
I am a doctor in clinicalpsychology, a BIPOC therapist
professor and a mindful somaticcoach.
While I am a therapist,remember I'm not your therapist.
This podcast is not asubstitute for professional
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mental health care, but we haveresources in our website and
Instagram to support you in thatsearch.
Join us for a cozy, feltconversation about mental health
, personal growth andmindfulness.
We explore tools to care foryour mind, your body and your
soul.
Check the footnotes fordisclaimer, trigger warnings and
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additional resources for eachone of the episodes.
So grab your favorite cup oftea, coffee or hot chocolate,
wrap yourself in a warm blanketand find a coffee spot here with
us to be kind to be brave, loudand strong in your search of
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mental health wellness.
Welcome to your Oasis.
Hello everybody, and welcome toour Oasis podcast.
This is your host, dr Roldan,and I have a guest that is
amazing.
So get your cup of tea, coffeeor a warm beverage that's going
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to warm your heart, your soul,and sit here with us, because we
are going to have, technicallyspeaking, crisscross applesauce,
because we have the amazingMiss Kelly.
Hi Kelly, thank you so much forcoming today.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well, thank you so much for having me.
I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
So, Kelly, why don't you tell our audience who you
are, what do you do and whatmulti-passions do you?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
have.
Yeah, I am a multi-passionatewoman.
I am Kelly Bluth.
I live here in the Central Ohioarea in the Midwest.
Currently I'm a full-timeeducator.
I've been teaching for 11 yearsand I've been teaching first,
second and third grade in theelementary space.
(02:14):
But, as you mentioned, I am amulti-passionate woman.
So when I'm not educating inthe classroom, I love to educate
through my podcast.
I have a podcast calledListening to your Gut where we
focus on both the literal andfigurative meaning of that
phrase.
I also am a certified holisticnutritionist.
Up until recently, I was reallyfocused on gut health because I
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worked on my own gut health andhealing that for quite some
time and supported women indoing that.
But now I'm actually movinginto more of the feminine
wellness in terms of helpingwomen to understand more of
perimenopause that next phasethat many of us go through that
will ultimately lead us tomenopause.
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And another passion of mine iswriting.
So I am a copywriter.
I write for several health andwellness brands.
I write for myself and then Ialso am in the process of
writing a couple different books.
So, yeah, you nailed it Verymulti-passionate and doing lots
of stuff to support and educateother individuals in this world.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Well, you go in multi-passionate, I say you just
love women and their health,right?
Because if you, if you're ateacher, you're taking care of
our little ones.
Right, if you are a writer,you're telling the stories for
our ancestors to the nextgeneration.
So stay in school, kids, andplease read a book from time to
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time.
It's always helpful if youcannot read it, because you know
we have neurodiversity andthere are spicy people.
So, like myself, I doaudiobooks and I read it too.
So that way it's like two bytwo.
But you mentioned somethingabout the gut health and, as we
have talked with other episodes,the gut is super important for
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our mental health.
Why?
Because it's connected directly.
It's like the second brain ofour brain.
I always make the joke that isthe dumpster that nobody labels
correctly, because you know whenyou go to throw the trash
you're like recycling glass ingeneral, right, and we just
throw everything everywhere.
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Sometimes we don't take the timeto read it, and one thing that
I love about Kelly is that sheis such a light.
When you meet her she justlights your day, but also comes
with a lot, a lot of knowledge,and do you know the amount of
time and the amount ofintelligence and the amount of
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grit that you need to have towrite a book and she just
glanced by.
I've written a couple, so Ijust want to give you props for
that, because it's a book.
Right Now let's focus inmenopause Women.
We are very dismissed when wego to the doctor to say we have
all these symptoms, or saying wehave all these alignments.
(05:09):
Sometimes it's just yourhormones.
You will get over it.
Can you tell me more about thatand how did you get into it?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, how I got into wanting to talk and speak and
educate more.
Yes, yeah, yeah, talk and speakand educate more on, yeah, yeah
.
So well, like I said, um, youknow, I, for the longest time,
was focusing on healing my gutand um have done that, and you
know it's, it's healing your gut.
Is not something that, um, whenI say that I'd done that, I
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don't mean that, like, I'm nevergoing to have any other issues
ever again.
That's, that's not realistic,that's not reality, right, we?
We live in a society where youknow you might eat something and
it causes an issue and you gotto deal with that, right?
So, um, I had multiple um youknow gut infections, um going on
inside my body and so I'vehealed since, healed those and
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um now know how to support mybody so that hopefully, I don't
encounter those in the future.
Um, but because because of that, um, you know, I feel like I've
kind of moved on to this nextpart of my life where I want to
learn more about something, andbecause I've learned so much
about the gut and I know a lotabout it and I've supported
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women through that, I feel likeI can still bring that into my
practice and I definitely will.
But I, you know, I'm 33 andwhile you might be listening to
this thinking like whoa, thenwhy are you, you know, wanting
to learn about perimenopause?
Well, perimenopause can start asearly as 35.
So I'm only two years away fromthat and it's one of those
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things where, whether it startswhen I'm 35 or it doesn't, I
want to have the tools and theknowledge and the understanding
to equip my body and to equip mymind with what I need to do to
support myself in the longterm,because perimenopause can go on
for 10 to 12 years.
So I want to be able to knowwhat I need to do and, like I
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said, to support myself, so that, when I finally get to
menopause, I'm not having thesehorrific hot flashes and night
sweats and these mood swings.
Might they still come, yeah,but they're not gonna be as bad
potentially, or maybe I can'tavoid them if I right now, right
here, do things to support mybody, so that I know what's
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coming, you know, and I know howto support those things in a
natural way.
So, yeah, it's one of thosenext phases in my life and, just
like with gut health, I wantedto heal my gut and then I
thought well gosh, why wouldn'tI help other women do the same?
That's you know, kind of whereI'm at here, too, is I want to
learn about perimenopause tosupport myself and then, of
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course, help other women throughit too.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
And, if you are hearing this, there is also
younger people that entermenopause, either because they
have some type of cancer, theyhave hormone treatment, or they
have the endometriosis, theyhave polycystic syndrome.
So all those things, you getthem when you're young, when you
start having periods, and thenwe don't get the education about
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one, how to prevent or how toenforce our hormones, because
everything is controlled by ourhormones.
And what do I mean?
Depending on what we eat, wecan affect our hormones even
more or less, depending on whatkind of products do we consume.
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Which brings me to the secondthing.
Kelly is a teacher, elementaryschool teacher, and what I love
about her is in all herdiscoveries.
It's not just like one day shewake up saying, oh, I'm going to
be a gut health coach or I'mgoing to be a woman's coach.
No, she actually educatedherself before even saying
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anything.
And then they say, okay, comewith me, people, let's discover
this together.
Let's try option A, option B ofvitamins for the gut or
antibiotics and what kind ofmilks, et cetera.
And it was so interestingseeing her doing this because me
personally, I was like I preferyou try the probiotic and let
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me know if it tastes good if itdoesn't.
For example, I take this greenjuice in the mornings and for
the longest time I felt I waslicking grass all the time.
And then Kelly one day said, oh, I have tried this one and this
one tastes like mint and apples.
And I'm like, no, it doesn't.
And then I try it, and it was.
And since then I continue usingthat one.
(09:53):
But, kelly, can you tell us whythe gut?
I know you say that you battlea lot of infections and stuff,
but when it click that there'ssomething going on that I need
to change either the way that Ieat, the way that I exercise,
what do you change in order toheal your gut?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, so mine which I again, I feel like a lot of us
will resonate with this my rootcause of everything that was
going on in my gut and againpoints out to what you shared
earlier, was this and I'mpointing to my brain.
So I did so many cleanses, somany different diets right Like
(10:32):
the AIP diet, which is like apaleo diet, because I do have
two autoimmune conditions, so Iknow you and I can connect on
two but ultimately everythingfor me came back to, after all
the testing, all the naturopaths, the conventional doctors that
I went to, it ultimately cameback to my nervous system, to my
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gut, brain connection, and soyou know.
That being said, that was awake-up call for me because for
the longest time I was whittlingdown foods.
It was like, okay, now I canonly eat this and this, and I
would go through my days beinglike, really, I'm going to have
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shredded carrots and cabbage andthat's all I can eat and that's
not a way to live.
And now I'm to the point whereI can eat almost anything.
Does my body thank me more whenI am dairy and gluten-free?
Yeah, because my autoimmuneconditions flare up because of
those things.
So I know that, but I don'tdeprive myself of anything,
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because I know that if I'mfocused on supporting my mental
health, then my body is going tobe able to more effectively
process whatever I put into mybody.
So, living a life moreintentionally when it comes to,
you know, breath work and makingsure that I'm getting adequate
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amounts of sleep, making surethat I have ways to de-stress so
, whether that is breathing andbreath work or, for me, I like
to move my body.
I've always been a fan ofmovement.
There's lots of differentthings that you can do and I'm
not here to tell you do what I'mdoing and that'll work, because
that's not the reality.
Every person, every body, isdifferent, because that's not
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the reality.
Every person, every body, isdifferent.
What I can say is knowingmyself and knowing the feminine
body.
If you can start to learn moreabout the phases of your cycle
because, again, as amenstruating woman, I'm still
working my way through thephases of the cycle every month
I know that when I choose toselect options that coincide
with that phase of my cycle, I'mmuch better off, and by that I
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mean my digestion is better, mymental clarity is better, my
energy is better, and then, whenI get to that bleed phase.
When I shed the uterine liningat the start of my menstrual
cycle, because menstruation isphase one of the cycle I'm much
better off, like I have lesscramping.
I have just less symptomsadverse symptoms because I've
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treated my body in such a waythat supports my body feeling
really good, right.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
And I love how you say and for everybody out there
listening, don't worry, there isa trigger warning before we're
going to talk about periods,which is funny, though, that we
have to do that Right, becausethat is a natural element of our
body, right, but I don't hearpeople talking about it.
It's not like something thatpeople will say, oh, humans
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trade today and people share itRight, for multiple reasons.
So, right there, we alreadyhave a taboo, almost like
talking about mental health.
Thank goodness, after thepandemic, we talk more about
mental health.
And how is health right?
The way that we treatphysically, we have to treat it
mentally.
But what kind of things do youdo first to help you with your
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mental health?
Do you went to therapy?
Do you went with a coach?
Do you went to, like youmentioned, breath work?
What worked, what didn't work?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, so as early as I think it was 13, I started
dealing with mental healthissues and my parents, you know
fortunate enough that my parentswere able to provide me access
to a therapist, so I did go totherapy early on at the age of
13.
It didn't last long because Ijust wasn't comfortable at that
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age doing that and and that'snot to say you shouldn't do that
that early had I expressedinterest in continuing therapy
and maybe finding someone elsethat was better suited for me
probably would have been great,right, but at the time I was
just I didn't know, I was 13.
I'm not very educated in thatrealm and so I stopped going.
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But then I picked that back up.
I picked therapy back up and,you know, explored as an adult
much later in life Well, muchlater, being probably right
around 20, 22, 23, picked itback up again and yeah, I've.
I mean I, I use therapy as a wayto provide an outlet for what
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I'm feeling and to have support,right.
I know many people talk abouttherapy in terms of it.
You know, can bring you backright, it can bring you back to
things, and a lot of times wewant to move forward.
So there's no right or wrongthere.
You know, sometimes you need toprocess things that are in our
past.
So, yeah, I do do therapy, butI also like to say that I do my
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own mental therapy in terms of,like I said, breath work, but
also, I think, you know, beingable to move my body is also
therapy.
Right, it's that somatictherapy when you're moving your
body, but your mind is alsoprocessing things too.
I think for me, the biggestsupport in my life has been more
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of that somatic work.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
And I'm glad you say that because it is true for all
parents out there.
You're thinking, oh, it didn'twork for her going to therapy.
No, it's not that, it's alsoback in the day.
We have different types oftherapy.
Like, for example, I used to douh well, I still do teens
therapy, but we do somethingcalled kick therapy.
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So we use video games, we use,uh, movies, mangas, etc.
Things that are more into it sothey get by into it more, right
.
And I even use it with adultswith active duty and university,
which university is almost likegoing back to kindergarten.
You have different everything,right, but I always said you
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need your dream team, right?
Like all the superstars, allthe people that you admire, all
the amazing women and men thatare out there, they have a dream
team.
What do I mean with that?
They have a therapist, theyhave some type of coach, they
have some type of nutritionistand they have somebody that
works in their body, right, akagoing to the gym, aka dancing,
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et cetera.
For all people.
That is, after the pandemic,something very well, a lot of
tragic things happened, but oneof those it was like with people
with immune propense to being,with immune illnesses, one that
is very unknown but very knownis post-arthritic tracheocardial
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pox, which is what I developedafter having such a long COVID,
and one of the main things thatyou need to take care of is
movement and your gut and otherstuff.
But why do I say this?
Because when we say we gothrough therapy, we don't go
through therapy necessarily whensomething horrible and
traumatic happened in our lives.
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Sometimes we need somebody that, yes, we need to dig a little
deeper, not of what happened toyou, but also what you didn't
got, or the circumstances thatyou, as an adult, not realize.
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Wait, I was in low economicstatus, or I was discriminated,
or I was X, y and Z, which, whenwe're little, we don't realize
until we're older, and thataffects your gut and your
hormones.
Because, again, this little oneover here I always call it the
three brains, because you have,like, the mammalian brain is the
movement brain, right?
That's why you want to go punchsomething, you want to run away
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.
The fly will fight.
So Kelly does this thing.
If you haven't seen her, Iinvite you to go to her
Instagram and go see her Everyother Monday or every other day.
I see her, like today, we'regoing to do movement and I know
you do it daily, but I go everyother day to check it because
she does it very early.
And I know you do it daily, butI go every other day to check
it because she does it veryearly.
She dedicates movement tosomebody because sometimes, like
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me, there was a time afterCOVID and after other chronic
illnesses that I couldn't moveright, I was bedridden.
So because I couldn't move,seeing Kelly was like I'm moving
with Kelly.
Why?
Because we have somethingcalled mirror neurons.
So the mirror neurons are likethe name says I mirror what I
see.
So if I ever have danced, mymirror neurons are going to
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remember how to dance and I willhave the same endorphins, the
same serotonin and the samehappy feelings seeing somebody
dancing versus just nothingright.
So if you can move, please seeKelly.
If you cannot move, please gosee Kelly when she is dedicating
movement for you.
But tell me about yourexperience about breath work,
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because people always look at meand say, oh, how can you be a
therapist and be way woohooabout the things?
Because, like my backgroundsays, your body is body, mind
and soul, meaning you have totake care of the mind, you have
to take care of your feels andyou have to take care of your
body by movement and as a dancer, I'm a little biased too,
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because I believe movement is sogreat.
But tell us about your storyabout breath work or movement or
somatic work, how that hashelped you other than therapy,
because therapy, if you don'thave one, please, my friends, go
find one.
We will have differentproviders and different
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resources and we are going toput one specific for Ohio, since
we have people from Ohio.
Ohio, since we have people fromOhio, and I know one of the
most detrimental things to be inthe middle of anything is that
resources don't get so much.
So I know it's hard for anybodythat is hearing, that is in the
Midwest.
I know it's hard to find aprovider, I know sometimes it's
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not accessible.
But please, please, please, goget some therapy, just to you
know, to try and see how itworks and if you like it, then
we can move to stage two, thatis, let's try about our body,
let's try a coach, let's trybreath work.
So tell us how do you went from.
Okay, I tried this therapy workfor a little bit because I was
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too tiny.
And now, where do you getbreath work?
What else do you do aboutsomatic work?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, well, I want to first start off with, in terms
of breath work, like why it's soimportant to me, which is
because when I was young andI've known this all my life but
like I didn't, it didn't reallyclick, Like I didn't really
process how impactful it was inmy body until the last couple of
years when I got into reallythe health and wellness space.
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But when I was young I don'task me why I just oftentimes
would like hold my breath or Iwould.
I was very self-conscious aboutmy body as a young kid, so I
would at the store when I wouldsee people and I would like I
idolize their figure, I wouldsuck my stomach in and so, like
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I didn't, I did not have a goodrhythm or a natural breath, and
so for the longest time it wasreally hard for me to like
breathe, like when people say,like take a deep breath, I was
like what is that Like, whatdoes that look like?
Because I, I was like what isthat Like, what does that look
like?
Because I, my body just didn'tknow how that felt.
So that's context wise.
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That's why it's so important tome is because I know that when
I'm not breathing fully andeffectively.
I'm not getting full oxygeninto my brain, into my body,
right, and my body needs that inorder to function and to do
what it needs to do for me tolive a quality and happy life,
happy, healthy life.
So, yeah, I mean I got backinto breath work shortly after I
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got into therapy, because thatwas one of you know, the things
that we would discuss is likewell, you know, are you getting
out and taking a walk?
And you know she was telling methis is still the therapist
that I still have.
I found an incredible one, butit did take me some time to find
that individual and she waslike you know, I want you to go
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out and take a walk and whenyou're walking, I want you to be
conscious of your breath and Iwant you to feel your breath
come in and out.
And she's like I don't want youto think of anything about the
day.
She said I just want you tonotice what you see.
Are there birds in the trees?
Is the wind blowing?
Are the leaves moving?
Can you see the clouds moving?
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Can you feel the air on yourskin?
And I'll be honest at first,when she shared that with me,
I'm like I'm not doing that.
I've got X, y and Z things todo.
I'm a to-do list girl over here, so I got things to do.
When am I going to fit thatinto my schedule?
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And I would keep coming backand back and back to her and
she's like have you done it?
Nope, have you done it, nope.
And finally she was like youknow you, just you got to do it.
I can't tell you why, otherthan you'll see why once you do
it.
And I did and I'm not religiousat it, like I'm not doing it
every day currently, but I makeit a point to do it two to three
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times a week.
And now I incorporate myhusband and my dogs with me too,
so it's even better.
But you know, you can totallydo it on your own.
And it just allows me to bepresent, right, because so often
we are not present in ourbodies but in life.
You know, because, again, likeI said, we're oh, I got this
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thing to do, and then I got togo here and here and boom, boom,
boom all over the place, right?
We, we idolize busy lives forthe longest time.
I did, too.
I was like, in order to besuccessful, or to be, like you
know, have done all the things.
There's go some balloons.
I have to, I have to do allthese things Right, but you
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don't, you don't.
You can do a couple of thingsin a day and still be wildly
successful and feel really goodabout what you're doing in the
world.
So you know, you got to retrainyour brain in that respect.
But to your point about breathwork yeah, that, I now make that
a part of my daily being.
You know, when I'm stressed atschool, I stop and I make sure
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that I'm tuning into my breathbecause, again, oftentimes when
I'm stressed at work, I'll stopbreathing, not, like you know,
to the point where I can'tbreathe right, but like my
breath will start to becomeshallow, I'll just hold it in,
and that's not good, becausethen we have all of these pent
up emotions inside and our bodyneeds to be able to release
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what's inside.
So when we can have a calmbreath, but a deep breath that
allows us, you will be amazedwhat that allows you to do in
terms of your mental clarity,but also how you can move
forward in your day.
You will be amazed what thatallows you to do in terms of
your mental clarity, but alsohow you can move forward in your
day.
You may have started off in areally stressful state.
By just implementing that deepbreath, you can start to relieve
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some of that stress.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yes, and I love what you say.
So I I have a certification ora second degree in mindfulness
breath for stress relief.
And I was very lucky that sinceI was a child, I went to a
Montessori school.
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So when you were saying, oh, Iwent to teacher and stuff, and
depending on the differentteaching styles in the
Montessori school, one of thethings that I learned it was
breathing.
Like you know, when you werestressed and I was like, always
bring to your diaphragm or yourbelly, I always laugh because I
always say I look very poofybecause I was very, very, very
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tiny and skinny, but I alwayslook poofy because in my head
backwards of you, it was like,no, you have to expand your
belly when you're stressed.
So it pretty much stressed mehorribly taking pictures.
So I was always like expanded.
Well, years later, and you knowone of the things that saved me
because COVID and all that itwas that because I have a
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collapsed lung, like only halfof the lung or something like
that, so because I have trainedmy body to breathe so deeply
that that is basically one ofthe things that saves me.
And then also for people, Iwant you to know that, like
therapy, breath work or any kindof human relationship.
You have to try differentpeople because it has to be
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about a human relationship.
What do I mean?
When I started this journey ofmeeting these amazing women, of
coaches, or breath work, andright now I'm like, I do yoga, I
do these things and I'm like,and I'm a dancer, so breath is
movement, right, and but I hadnever tried it in a therapeutic
that way.
So after I finished mymindfulness, somebody told me oh
(28:01):
, you should try breath work,blah, blah, blah.
I went the first time and Ialmost had an asthma attack
because I suffer from an asthma.
So I was like this is not forme and I was hating everything.
And then I met another one.
They said, no, just try itagain with this other person.
It was a little different itthis other person.
It was a little different.
It was in nature, it was alittle more freedom and stuff
(28:22):
and it has movement on it.
But that was such a release.
And then me, being thescientist I am, I went digging
down in the rabbit hole aboutbreath, and breath is life.
Breath also can release stress.
It can also give you aneuphoric state because guess
(28:44):
what, when you laugh, you'rebreathing so freely.
When you have that belly laugh,it's a way of breathing.
So I will say, if you guys wantto try breath work, there is
always different techniques,there is different places but
always do your research first.
Always read if it's appropriatefor whatever condition you're
(29:04):
having.
But breathing diaphragmally iswhat babies do.
It's what we, we were born todo.
It's just society dresses, youname it.
It taught us like no, you haveto stay straight.
And the other part I love islike, uh, I work with active
duty right in law enforcement.
(29:25):
So telling them like, oh, go,do a walk.
And they look at me like what'swrong with you, right?
So I never do that with thembecause I already know that
they're gonna say, yeah, I willdo, I will do it.
And they don't do it.
And this is not sponsored foranybody in the sense that, like
I just truly believe as atherapist, these two apps are
amazing for people.
(29:46):
That is Headspace In there.
They have all the teachingsthat I learned in school and I
went a year and stuff in there.
And the other one is Calm.
And they have another one thatis breath with me, that they
literally teach you littleimages and how to breathe, and
this one's.
What I do is like I literallyput meditations with my patients
(30:06):
.
I stress them a little and thenI put the meditation and then
I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm socalm now.
Or I play VR games with themthat are stressful and I teach
them how to breathe throughthose stressful moments.
And you know, breath can healbecause it gives so much oxygen
to every cell of your body.
(30:27):
So what you will say to somebodythat is like that is too woohoo
for me.
What you will say to them,where do you think somebody can
start, if they want, in ahealing journey from your mind
to your body, to your soul?
And I love how you sayeverything starts here.
If this one is not OK, they allgo down Right, and in this
(30:51):
hustle culture it doesn't work,because the best wealth that we
can have is time and presence,because the best wealth that we
can have is time and presence.
So where you, let's say, youhave some like my patients,
right, like my clients, none ofthat work.
You know what it works workreally hard, not sleep, drink a
lot of caffeine or drink a lotof whatever, right To keep me
(31:13):
going, going, going, going whatyou would recommend to start
with.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, you know, I love this question because,
again, it's like it brings usback to there is no one size
fits all, right, like, what I amgoing to say is not hopefully
not what you think I'm going tosay, which is like a
prescription of do this, do this, do this right.
It's truly to each and everyperson, their own individual,
(31:38):
like, what they should do, whatwhat you should prescribe for
yourself.
So what I encourage you to doif you're like, yeah, no, I
don't want to take the walks anddo deep breathing, then don't
right.
I mean, maybe someday along thepath of your healing journey
you will.
But I would truly encourage youto start doing a little
(32:00):
research, and that doesn't haveto mean books.
We are so blessed with podcasts, with, like you said, audio
books I love audio books toowe're so blessed with so many
different people hostingmasterclasses, so many YouTube
videos I mean, you name it.
There's so many ways you canget your hands on, or your
eyeballs on, information andhear things too, so, through
(32:23):
your ears that pick up whatresonates with you and leave
what doesn't right Becauseyou're not going to do gosh, I'm
hearing this box breathing andI want to try it then do it
Right.
And if you do it and you decideafterwards you're like that's
not actually what I thought itwas going to be, then, okay,
(32:46):
maybe you don't.
I would give yourself some time.
I wouldn't say one and done,I'd one day and move on.
Give yourself, you know, acouple of weeks to try it.
And I would say my advice wouldbe to experiment, which is,
again, probably not what most ofyou were thinking.
I was going to say Experimentwith different people in terms
of who you listen to and pick updifferent things from different
(33:08):
people and try those things andthrough that you're going to
develop your own bag of tricks,or your toolbox, so to speak,
and those things will be thethings that you start to come
back to over and over again tosupport yourself in your healing
.
That's what I've done.
There wasn't any one personthat was like I'm following him
or I'm following her and I'mdoing everything he says or
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everything she says.
I've picked bits and piecesfrom different people, from
different books and differentrecommended resources and I've
developed my own toolbox.
So I would encourage anyone outthere who's like, oh my gosh, I
don't know what to do.
Yeah, it's daunting, right, butjust baby step it.
That's what I always do.
I baby step the process,because we're not going to go
(33:50):
from zero to hero overnight.
It takes time, healing takestime, and I know we don't want
to hear that, but that's thetruth.
If you want to have long-termhealth and happiness, we have to
take those baby steps, and soone of the best things you could
do is start to educate yourself, and this podcast is a great
way to do it.
Educate yourself, and throughthat, you're going to find tools
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and strategies that are goingto support you.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Thank you for that.
I always say start by beingcurious, because if you are
curious, then you do theresearch, then you start doing
all the other things.
After being curious, go try it.
Right, with mindfulness thatsometimes we do try things that
are also detrimental for ourbodies.
But you know, you try it andnow you know too, right?
(34:38):
So be curious, try it and, themost important thing, find a
community, because in thecommunity you find different
perspectives.
By finding differentperspectives you're like oh,
that worked for you, that workedfor you, that worked for you.
But always become curious.
That includes you in yourself.
Become curious, like why do Istill fight to go to sleep and
(35:01):
stay until three in the morning,scrolling doom, scrolling right
?
Or why do I always end in rowrate?
Become curious.
Why do you do the things thatyou do?
Because sometimes we just havethe blueprint of our parents and
our parents have the blueprintof our grandparents and so on,
right?
So sometimes we are the onesthat, like, you know what?
(35:23):
I'm gonna go solar, I'm notgonna use fire anymore, right,
but it took becoming curious andtry the changes, but it became
within words.
So if you know somebody that isstruggling right now with their
mental health or any kind ofhealth.
Please go to the resources thatwe have.
They're free and I know thebest step for everything is
(35:48):
asking for help or asking forcuriosity.
Believe me, the people thatcare, they don't care that you
ask them, you can ask me, youcan ask Kelly that we will like.
If we don't know, we will findyou somebody that knows.
So that's when you know you'rebuilding your dream team from go
to zero to hero and you have tobe the hero of you first.
That is, for all the mamas outthere, for all the fathers, for
(36:10):
all the caregivers.
You need to take care of youfirst.
If you don't take care of youfirst, it doesn't matter how
much you sacrifice for the otherperson, you will pass the bill.
Any other thoughts before we go?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Kelly.
No, I was just going to say,you know, thank you for sharing
that.
You know, in terms of, if youcan't find the resources
yourself to reach out to someonebecause I think you and I are
natural intrinsic learners, likewe thrive off of that, right.
But for those of us who arelistening in that maybe aren't
natural people of curiosity,right, like you said, reach out
(36:46):
to one of us or two, you know.
If you're not comfortable doingthat, reach out to a friend
that you know is a natural um,someone with natural curiosity,
because I know that everybodywants to help each other and so
when you reach out to someonewho does have that knowledge, or
maybe doesn't have theknowledge, but they can find the
resources, they'll bring itback to you and that will start
that journey that you can thengo on Right and I want everybody
(37:10):
to go out and just go trysomething new.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Like I said, I tried breathwork and that's what it
worked for me.
Right, I try?
Um, what was it?
Oh, I try.
They call it hot stones,massages and stuff like that.
That did not work for me, notbecause it was a bad thing, it's
just my body didn't like itright for x, y reason.
But everybody sores over it,right and um.
(37:37):
The same with acupuncture.
I used to love acupuncture, butthen, after my immune, my body
was like you know?
No, thank you.
So always remember, justbecause something worked in the
past doesn't mean it always willwork.
So don't get frustrated withyourself.
Just become curious.
And if you need the assistanceof a therapist to like I need to
(37:59):
explore more this, whateverthis means, please go find one.
And it takes around three tofour times.
It is really difficult.
I understand, but, believe me,when you find it, that person,
that is like a guiding for achapter also.
It doesn't, it's not meant tobe forever and ever and ever the
same with somebody that ifyou're interested in I don't
(38:19):
know CrossFit Back in the day, Itried that one too, but I love
the people there.
They're amazing people andkudos to whoever does CrossFit.
Right, I do dancing.
Not everybody likes dancing.
So go find something that movesyou, something that inspires
you and something to feed yoursoul, your body and mind.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Love that.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Thank you, kelly, where we can find you, where
people can go and love you andfind you and request the dancing
.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yes, yes, well, I love that you mentioned the
dancing, because I have taken ahiatus from that for quite some
time, but now that I'm in springbreak I am going to bring it
back.
So come on over, because theschool year is almost done and
I'm getting back into my springmode of like bringing that out
and dedicating those dances.
So, yes, come on over and seeme on and start following me.
(39:09):
I'll connect with you there.
I'll follow you back onInstagram.
I am at Kelly K-E-L-L-Yunderscore Bluth B as in boy
L-U-T-H.
I'm also on TikTok.
I have a Facebook community onFacebook for my podcast.
Come check out the podcast.
Wherever you listen to podcasts, it's available.
It's called Listening to yourGut.
(39:29):
Yeah, those are some of themany ways that you can connect
with me and just shoot me amessage and I'd love to start a
conversation with you and builda friendship.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Thank you so much, kelly.
And, like you guys heard, sheis offering a friendship and
when she mean it, she mean itBecause that's why we become
best friends too, because shemeans it.
So, when people told you,believe them and reach out.
So thank you, kelly.
I much appreciate you.
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I am Dr Roldan, your host.
I am a doctor in clinicalpsychology, a BIPOC therapist
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While I am a therapist,remember I'm not your therapist.
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mental health wellness.
Welcome to your Oasis.
Hello everybody, and welcome toour Oasis podcast.
This is your host, dr Roldan,and I have a guest that is
amazing.
So get your cup of tea, coffeeor a warm beverage that's going
(01:27):
to warm your heart, your soul,and sit here with us, because we
are going to have, technicallyspeaking, crisscross applesauce,
because we have the amazingMiss Kelly.
Hi Kelly, thank you so much forcoming today.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well, thank you so much for having me.
I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
So, Kelly, why don't you tell our audience who you
are, what do you do and whatmulti-passions do you?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
have.
Yeah, I am a multi-passionatewoman.
I am Kelly Bluth.
I live here in the Central Ohioarea in the Midwest.
Currently I'm a full-timeeducator.
I've been teaching for 11 yearsand I've been teaching first,
second and third grade in theelementary space.
(02:14):
But, as you mentioned, I am amulti-passionate woman.
So when I'm not educating inthe classroom, I love to educate
through my podcast.
I have a podcast calledListening to your Gut where we
focus on both the literal andfigurative meaning of that
phrase.
I also am a certified holisticnutritionist.
Up until recently, I was reallyfocused on gut health because I
(02:37):
worked on my own gut health andhealing that for quite some
time and supported women indoing that.
But now I'm actually movinginto more of the feminine
wellness in terms of helpingwomen to understand more of
perimenopause that next phasethat many of us go through that
will ultimately lead us tomenopause.
(02:58):
And another passion of mine iswriting.
So I am a copywriter.
I write for several health andwellness brands.
I write for myself and then Ialso am in the process of
writing a couple different books.
So, yeah, you nailed it Verymulti-passionate and doing lots
of stuff to support and educateother individuals in this world.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Well, you go in multi-passionate, I say you just
love women and their health,right?
Because if you, if you're ateacher, you're taking care of
our little ones.
Right, if you are a writer,you're telling the stories for
our ancestors to the nextgeneration.
So stay in school, kids, andplease read a book from time to
(03:44):
time.
It's always helpful if youcannot read it, because you know
we have neurodiversity andthere are spicy people.
So, like myself, I doaudiobooks and I read it too.
So that way it's like two bytwo.
But you mentioned somethingabout the gut health and, as we
have talked with other episodes,the gut is super important for
(04:06):
our mental health.
Why?
Because it's connected directly.
It's like the second brain ofour brain.
I always make the joke that isthe dumpster that nobody labels
correctly, because you know whenyou go to throw the trash
you're like recycling glass ingeneral, right, and we just
throw everything everywhere.
(04:26):
Sometimes we don't take the timeto read it, and one thing that
I love about Kelly is that sheis such a light.
When you meet her she justlights your day, but also comes
with a lot, a lot of knowledge,and do you know the amount of
time and the amount ofintelligence and the amount of
(04:46):
grit that you need to have towrite a book and she just
glanced by.
I've written a couple, so Ijust want to give you props for
that, because it's a book.
Right Now let's focus inmenopause Women.
We are very dismissed when wego to the doctor to say we have
all these symptoms, or saying wehave all these alignments.
(05:09):
Sometimes it's just yourhormones.
You will get over it.
Can you tell me more about thatand how did you get into it?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, how I got into wanting to talk and speak and
educate more.
Yes, yeah, yeah, talk and speakand educate more on, yeah, yeah
.
So well, like I said, um, youknow, I, for the longest time,
was focusing on healing my gutand um have done that, and you
know it's, it's healing your gut.
Is not something that, um, whenI say that I'd done that, I
(05:39):
don't mean that, like, I'm nevergoing to have any other issues
ever again.
That's, that's not realistic,that's not reality, right, we?
We live in a society where youknow you might eat something and
it causes an issue and you gotto deal with that, right?
So, um, I had multiple um youknow gut infections, um going on
inside my body and so I'vehealed since, healed those and
(06:04):
um now know how to support mybody so that hopefully, I don't
encounter those in the future.
Um, but because because of that, um, you know, I feel like I've
kind of moved on to this nextpart of my life where I want to
learn more about something, andbecause I've learned so much
about the gut and I know a lotabout it and I've supported
(06:25):
women through that, I feel likeI can still bring that into my
practice and I definitely will.
But I, you know, I'm 33 andwhile you might be listening to
this thinking like whoa, thenwhy are you, you know, wanting
to learn about perimenopause?
Well, perimenopause can start asearly as 35.
So I'm only two years away fromthat and it's one of those
(06:49):
things where, whether it startswhen I'm 35 or it doesn't, I
want to have the tools and theknowledge and the understanding
to equip my body and to equip mymind with what I need to do to
support myself in the longterm,because perimenopause can go on
for 10 to 12 years.
So I want to be able to knowwhat I need to do and, like I
(07:12):
said, to support myself, so that, when I finally get to
menopause, I'm not having thesehorrific hot flashes and night
sweats and these mood swings.
Might they still come, yeah,but they're not gonna be as bad
potentially, or maybe I can'tavoid them if I right now, right
here, do things to support mybody, so that I know what's
(07:35):
coming, you know, and I know howto support those things in a
natural way.
So, yeah, it's one of thosenext phases in my life and, just
like with gut health, I wantedto heal my gut and then I
thought well gosh, why wouldn'tI help other women do the same?
That's you know, kind of whereI'm at here, too, is I want to
learn about perimenopause tosupport myself and then, of
(07:58):
course, help other women throughit too.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
And, if you are hearing this, there is also
younger people that entermenopause, either because they
have some type of cancer, theyhave hormone treatment, or they
have the endometriosis, theyhave polycystic syndrome.
So all those things, you getthem when you're young, when you
start having periods, and thenwe don't get the education about
(08:25):
one, how to prevent or how toenforce our hormones, because
everything is controlled by ourhormones.
And what do I mean?
Depending on what we eat, wecan affect our hormones even
more or less, depending on whatkind of products do we consume.
(08:45):
Which brings me to the secondthing.
Kelly is a teacher, elementaryschool teacher, and what I love
about her is in all herdiscoveries.
It's not just like one day shewake up saying, oh, I'm going to
be a gut health coach or I'mgoing to be a woman's coach.
No, she actually educatedherself before even saying
(09:09):
anything.
And then they say, okay, comewith me, people, let's discover
this together.
Let's try option A, option B ofvitamins for the gut or
antibiotics and what kind ofmilks, et cetera.
And it was so interestingseeing her doing this because me
personally, I was like I preferyou try the probiotic and let
(09:31):
me know if it tastes good if itdoesn't.
For example, I take this greenjuice in the mornings and for
the longest time I felt I waslicking grass all the time.
And then Kelly one day said, oh, I have tried this one and this
one tastes like mint and apples.
And I'm like, no, it doesn't.
And then I try it, and it was.
And since then I continue usingthat one.
(09:53):
But, kelly, can you tell us whythe gut?
I know you say that you battlea lot of infections and stuff,
but when it click that there'ssomething going on that I need
to change either the way that Ieat, the way that I exercise,
what do you change in order toheal your gut?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, so mine which I again, I feel like a lot of us
will resonate with this my rootcause of everything that was
going on in my gut and againpoints out to what you shared
earlier, was this and I'mpointing to my brain.
So I did so many cleanses, somany different diets right Like
(10:32):
the AIP diet, which is like apaleo diet, because I do have
two autoimmune conditions, so Iknow you and I can connect on
two but ultimately everythingfor me came back to, after all
the testing, all the naturopaths, the conventional doctors that
I went to, it ultimately cameback to my nervous system, to my
(10:56):
gut, brain connection, and soyou know.
That being said, that was awake-up call for me because for
the longest time I was whittlingdown foods.
It was like, okay, now I canonly eat this and this, and I
would go through my days beinglike, really, I'm going to have
(11:17):
shredded carrots and cabbage andthat's all I can eat and that's
not a way to live.
And now I'm to the point whereI can eat almost anything.
Does my body thank me more whenI am dairy and gluten-free?
Yeah, because my autoimmuneconditions flare up because of
those things.
So I know that, but I don'tdeprive myself of anything,
(11:41):
because I know that if I'mfocused on supporting my mental
health, then my body is going tobe able to more effectively
process whatever I put into mybody.
So, living a life moreintentionally when it comes to,
you know, breath work and makingsure that I'm getting adequate
(12:03):
amounts of sleep, making surethat I have ways to de-stress so
, whether that is breathing andbreath work or, for me, I like
to move my body.
I've always been a fan ofmovement.
There's lots of differentthings that you can do and I'm
not here to tell you do what I'mdoing and that'll work, because
that's not the reality.
Every person, every body, isdifferent, because that's not
(12:26):
the reality.
Every person, every body, isdifferent.
What I can say is knowingmyself and knowing the feminine
body.
If you can start to learn moreabout the phases of your cycle
because, again, as amenstruating woman, I'm still
working my way through thephases of the cycle every month
I know that when I choose toselect options that coincide
with that phase of my cycle, I'mmuch better off, and by that I
(12:48):
mean my digestion is better, mymental clarity is better, my
energy is better, and then, whenI get to that bleed phase.
When I shed the uterine liningat the start of my menstrual
cycle, because menstruation isphase one of the cycle I'm much
better off, like I have lesscramping.
I have just less symptomsadverse symptoms because I've
(13:12):
treated my body in such a waythat supports my body feeling
really good, right.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
And I love how you say and for everybody out there
listening, don't worry, there isa trigger warning before we're
going to talk about periods,which is funny, though, that we
have to do that Right, becausethat is a natural element of our
body, right, but I don't hearpeople talking about it.
It's not like something thatpeople will say, oh, humans
(13:41):
trade today and people share itRight, for multiple reasons.
So, right there, we alreadyhave a taboo, almost like
talking about mental health.
Thank goodness, after thepandemic, we talk more about
mental health.
And how is health right?
The way that we treatphysically, we have to treat it
mentally.
But what kind of things do youdo first to help you with your
(14:04):
mental health?
Do you went to therapy?
Do you went with a coach?
Do you went to, like youmentioned, breath work?
What worked, what didn't work?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, so as early as I think it was 13, I started
dealing with mental healthissues and my parents, you know
fortunate enough that my parentswere able to provide me access
to a therapist, so I did go totherapy early on at the age of
13.
It didn't last long because Ijust wasn't comfortable at that
(14:35):
age doing that and and that'snot to say you shouldn't do that
that early had I expressedinterest in continuing therapy
and maybe finding someone elsethat was better suited for me
probably would have been great,right, but at the time I was
just I didn't know, I was 13.
I'm not very educated in thatrealm and so I stopped going.
(14:55):
But then I picked that back up.
I picked therapy back up and,you know, explored as an adult
much later in life Well, muchlater, being probably right
around 20, 22, 23, picked itback up again and yeah, I've.
I mean I, I use therapy as a wayto provide an outlet for what
(15:20):
I'm feeling and to have support,right.
I know many people talk abouttherapy in terms of it.
You know, can bring you backright, it can bring you back to
things, and a lot of times wewant to move forward.
So there's no right or wrongthere.
You know, sometimes you need toprocess things that are in our
past.
So, yeah, I do do therapy, butI also like to say that I do my
(15:44):
own mental therapy in terms of,like I said, breath work, but
also, I think, you know, beingable to move my body is also
therapy.
Right, it's that somatictherapy when you're moving your
body, but your mind is alsoprocessing things too.
I think for me, the biggestsupport in my life has been more
(16:05):
of that somatic work.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
And I'm glad you say that because it is true for all
parents out there.
You're thinking, oh, it didn'twork for her going to therapy.
No, it's not that, it's alsoback in the day.
We have different types oftherapy.
Like, for example, I used to douh well, I still do teens
therapy, but we do somethingcalled kick therapy.
(16:28):
So we use video games, we use,uh, movies, mangas, etc.
Things that are more into it sothey get by into it more, right
.
And I even use it with adultswith active duty and university,
which university is almost likegoing back to kindergarten.
You have different everything,right, but I always said you
(16:49):
need your dream team, right?
Like all the superstars, allthe people that you admire, all
the amazing women and men thatare out there, they have a dream
team.
What do I mean with that?
They have a therapist, theyhave some type of coach, they
have some type of nutritionistand they have somebody that
works in their body, right, akagoing to the gym, aka dancing,
(17:13):
et cetera.
For all people.
That is, after the pandemic,something very well, a lot of
tragic things happened, but oneof those it was like with people
with immune propense to being,with immune illnesses, one that
is very unknown but very knownis post-arthritic tracheocardial
(17:37):
pox, which is what I developedafter having such a long COVID,
and one of the main things thatyou need to take care of is
movement and your gut and otherstuff.
But why do I say this?
Because when we say we gothrough therapy, we don't go
through therapy necessarily whensomething horrible and
traumatic happened in our lives.
(17:58):
Sometimes we need somebody that, yes, we need to dig a little
deeper, not of what happened toyou, but also what you didn't
got, or the circumstances thatyou, as an adult, not realize.
(18:20):
Wait, I was in low economicstatus, or I was discriminated,
or I was X, y and Z, which, whenwe're little, we don't realize
until we're older, and thataffects your gut and your
hormones.
Because, again, this little oneover here I always call it the
three brains, because you have,like, the mammalian brain is the
movement brain, right?
That's why you want to go punchsomething, you want to run away
(18:40):
.
The fly will fight.
So Kelly does this thing.
If you haven't seen her, Iinvite you to go to her
Instagram and go see her Everyother Monday or every other day.
I see her, like today, we'regoing to do movement and I know
you do it daily, but I go everyother day to check it because
she does it very early.
And I know you do it daily, butI go every other day to check
it because she does it veryearly.
She dedicates movement tosomebody because sometimes, like
(19:01):
me, there was a time afterCOVID and after other chronic
illnesses that I couldn't moveright, I was bedridden.
So because I couldn't move,seeing Kelly was like I'm moving
with Kelly.
Why?
Because we have somethingcalled mirror neurons.
So the mirror neurons are likethe name says I mirror what I
see.
So if I ever have danced, mymirror neurons are going to
(19:26):
remember how to dance and I willhave the same endorphins, the
same serotonin and the samehappy feelings seeing somebody
dancing versus just nothingright.
So if you can move, please seeKelly.
If you cannot move, please gosee Kelly when she is dedicating
movement for you.
But tell me about yourexperience about breath work,
(19:46):
because people always look at meand say, oh, how can you be a
therapist and be way woohooabout the things?
Because, like my backgroundsays, your body is body, mind
and soul, meaning you have totake care of the mind, you have
to take care of your feels andyou have to take care of your
body by movement and as a dancer, I'm a little biased too,
(20:08):
because I believe movement is sogreat.
But tell us about your storyabout breath work or movement or
somatic work, how that hashelped you other than therapy,
because therapy, if you don'thave one, please, my friends, go
find one.
We will have differentproviders and different
(20:29):
resources and we are going toput one specific for Ohio, since
we have people from Ohio.
Ohio, since we have people fromOhio, and I know one of the
most detrimental things to be inthe middle of anything is that
resources don't get so much.
So I know it's hard for anybodythat is hearing, that is in the
Midwest.
I know it's hard to find aprovider, I know sometimes it's
(20:50):
not accessible.
But please, please, please, goget some therapy, just to you
know, to try and see how itworks and if you like it, then
we can move to stage two, thatis, let's try about our body,
let's try a coach, let's trybreath work.
So tell us how do you went from.
Okay, I tried this therapy workfor a little bit because I was
(21:11):
too tiny.
And now, where do you getbreath work?
What else do you do aboutsomatic work?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, well, I want to first start off with, in terms
of breath work, like why it's soimportant to me, which is
because when I was young andI've known this all my life but
like I didn't, it didn't reallyclick, Like I didn't really
process how impactful it was inmy body until the last couple of
years when I got into reallythe health and wellness space.
(21:39):
But when I was young I don'task me why I just oftentimes
would like hold my breath or Iwould.
I was very self-conscious aboutmy body as a young kid, so I
would at the store when I wouldsee people and I would like I
idolize their figure, I wouldsuck my stomach in and so, like
(22:03):
I didn't, I did not have a goodrhythm or a natural breath, and
so for the longest time it wasreally hard for me to like
breathe, like when people say,like take a deep breath, I was
like what is that Like, whatdoes that look like?
Because I, I was like what isthat Like, what does that look
like?
Because I, my body just didn'tknow how that felt.
So that's context wise.
(22:25):
That's why it's so important tome is because I know that when
I'm not breathing fully andeffectively.
I'm not getting full oxygeninto my brain, into my body,
right, and my body needs that inorder to function and to do
what it needs to do for me tolive a quality and happy life,
happy, healthy life.
So, yeah, I mean I got backinto breath work shortly after I
(22:51):
got into therapy, because thatwas one of you know, the things
that we would discuss is likewell, you know, are you getting
out and taking a walk?
And you know she was telling methis is still the therapist
that I still have.
I found an incredible one, butit did take me some time to find
that individual and she waslike you know, I want you to go
(23:12):
out and take a walk and whenyou're walking, I want you to be
conscious of your breath and Iwant you to feel your breath
come in and out.
And she's like I don't want youto think of anything about the
day.
She said I just want you tonotice what you see.
Are there birds in the trees?
Is the wind blowing?
Are the leaves moving?
Can you see the clouds moving?
(23:32):
Can you feel the air on yourskin?
And I'll be honest at first,when she shared that with me,
I'm like I'm not doing that.
I've got X, y and Z things todo.
I'm a to-do list girl over here, so I got things to do.
When am I going to fit thatinto my schedule?
(23:53):
And I would keep coming backand back and back to her and
she's like have you done it?
Nope, have you done it, nope.
And finally she was like youknow you, just you got to do it.
I can't tell you why, otherthan you'll see why once you do
it.
And I did and I'm not religiousat it, like I'm not doing it
every day currently, but I makeit a point to do it two to three
(24:18):
times a week.
And now I incorporate myhusband and my dogs with me too,
so it's even better.
But you know, you can totallydo it on your own.
And it just allows me to bepresent, right, because so often
we are not present in ourbodies but in life.
You know, because, again, likeI said, we're oh, I got this
(24:38):
thing to do, and then I got togo here and here and boom, boom,
boom all over the place, right?
We, we idolize busy lives forthe longest time.
I did, too.
I was like, in order to besuccessful, or to be, like you
know, have done all the things.
There's go some balloons.
I have to, I have to do allthese things Right, but you
(25:00):
don't, you don't.
You can do a couple of thingsin a day and still be wildly
successful and feel really goodabout what you're doing in the
world.
So you know, you got to retrainyour brain in that respect.
But to your point about breathwork yeah, that, I now make that
a part of my daily being.
You know, when I'm stressed atschool, I stop and I make sure
(25:24):
that I'm tuning into my breathbecause, again, oftentimes when
I'm stressed at work, I'll stopbreathing, not, like you know,
to the point where I can'tbreathe right, but like my
breath will start to becomeshallow, I'll just hold it in,
and that's not good, becausethen we have all of these pent
up emotions inside and our bodyneeds to be able to release
(25:46):
what's inside.
So when we can have a calmbreath, but a deep breath that
allows us, you will be amazedwhat that allows you to do in
terms of your mental clarity,but also how you can move
forward in your day.
You will be amazed what thatallows you to do in terms of
your mental clarity, but alsohow you can move forward in your
day.
You may have started off in areally stressful state.
By just implementing that deepbreath, you can start to relieve
(26:08):
some of that stress.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yes, and I love what you say.
So I I have a certification ora second degree in mindfulness
breath for stress relief.
And I was very lucky that sinceI was a child, I went to a
Montessori school.
(26:29):
So when you were saying, oh, Iwent to teacher and stuff, and
depending on the differentteaching styles in the
Montessori school, one of thethings that I learned it was
breathing.
Like you know, when you werestressed and I was like, always
bring to your diaphragm or yourbelly, I always laugh because I
always say I look very poofybecause I was very, very, very
(26:52):
tiny and skinny, but I alwayslook poofy because in my head
backwards of you, it was like,no, you have to expand your
belly when you're stressed.
So it pretty much stressed mehorribly taking pictures.
So I was always like expanded.
Well, years later, and you knowone of the things that saved me
because COVID and all that itwas that because I have a
(27:16):
collapsed lung, like only halfof the lung or something like
that, so because I have trainedmy body to breathe so deeply
that that is basically one ofthe things that saves me.
And then also for people, Iwant you to know that, like
therapy, breath work or any kindof human relationship.
You have to try differentpeople because it has to be
(27:39):
about a human relationship.
What do I mean?
When I started this journey ofmeeting these amazing women, of
coaches, or breath work, andright now I'm like, I do yoga, I
do these things and I'm like,and I'm a dancer, so breath is
movement, right, and but I hadnever tried it in a therapeutic
that way.
So after I finished mymindfulness, somebody told me oh
(28:01):
, you should try breath work,blah, blah, blah.
I went the first time and Ialmost had an asthma attack
because I suffer from an asthma.
So I was like this is not forme and I was hating everything.
And then I met another one.
They said, no, just try itagain with this other person.
It was a little different itthis other person.
It was a little different.
It was in nature, it was alittle more freedom and stuff
(28:22):
and it has movement on it.
But that was such a release.
And then me, being thescientist I am, I went digging
down in the rabbit hole aboutbreath, and breath is life.
Breath also can release stress.
It can also give you aneuphoric state because guess
(28:44):
what, when you laugh, you'rebreathing so freely.
When you have that belly laugh,it's a way of breathing.
So I will say, if you guys wantto try breath work, there is
always different techniques,there is different places but
always do your research first.
Always read if it's appropriatefor whatever condition you're
(29:04):
having.
But breathing diaphragmally iswhat babies do.
It's what we, we were born todo.
It's just society dresses, youname it.
It taught us like no, you haveto stay straight.
And the other part I love islike, uh, I work with active
duty right in law enforcement.
(29:25):
So telling them like, oh, go,do a walk.
And they look at me like what'swrong with you, right?
So I never do that with thembecause I already know that
they're gonna say, yeah, I willdo, I will do it.
And they don't do it.
And this is not sponsored foranybody in the sense that, like
I just truly believe as atherapist, these two apps are
amazing for people.
(29:46):
That is Headspace In there.
They have all the teachingsthat I learned in school and I
went a year and stuff in there.
And the other one is Calm.
And they have another one thatis breath with me, that they
literally teach you littleimages and how to breathe, and
this one's.
What I do is like I literallyput meditations with my patients
(30:06):
.
I stress them a little and thenI put the meditation and then
I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm socalm now.
Or I play VR games with themthat are stressful and I teach
them how to breathe throughthose stressful moments.
And you know, breath can healbecause it gives so much oxygen
to every cell of your body.
(30:27):
So what you will say to somebodythat is like that is too woohoo
for me.
What you will say to them,where do you think somebody can
start, if they want, in ahealing journey from your mind
to your body, to your soul?
And I love how you sayeverything starts here.
If this one is not OK, they allgo down Right, and in this
(30:51):
hustle culture it doesn't work,because the best wealth that we
can have is time and presence,because the best wealth that we
can have is time and presence.
So where you, let's say, youhave some like my patients,
right, like my clients, none ofthat work.
You know what it works workreally hard, not sleep, drink a
lot of caffeine or drink a lotof whatever, right To keep me
(31:13):
going, going, going, going whatyou would recommend to start
with.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, you know, I love this question because,
again, it's like it brings usback to there is no one size
fits all, right, like, what I amgoing to say is not hopefully
not what you think I'm going tosay, which is like a
prescription of do this, do this, do this right.
It's truly to each and everyperson, their own individual,
(31:38):
like, what they should do, whatwhat you should prescribe for
yourself.
So what I encourage you to doif you're like, yeah, no, I
don't want to take the walks anddo deep breathing, then don't
right.
I mean, maybe someday along thepath of your healing journey
you will.
But I would truly encourage youto start doing a little
(32:00):
research, and that doesn't haveto mean books.
We are so blessed with podcasts, with, like you said, audio
books I love audio books toowe're so blessed with so many
different people hostingmasterclasses, so many YouTube
videos I mean, you name it.
There's so many ways you canget your hands on, or your
eyeballs on, information andhear things too, so, through
(32:23):
your ears that pick up whatresonates with you and leave
what doesn't right Becauseyou're not going to do gosh, I'm
hearing this box breathing andI want to try it then do it
Right.
And if you do it and you decideafterwards you're like that's
not actually what I thought itwas going to be, then, okay,
(32:46):
maybe you don't.
I would give yourself some time.
I wouldn't say one and done,I'd one day and move on.
Give yourself, you know, acouple of weeks to try it.
And I would say my advice wouldbe to experiment, which is,
again, probably not what most ofyou were thinking.
I was going to say Experimentwith different people in terms
of who you listen to and pick updifferent things from different
(33:08):
people and try those things andthrough that you're going to
develop your own bag of tricks,or your toolbox, so to speak,
and those things will be thethings that you start to come
back to over and over again tosupport yourself in your healing
.
That's what I've done.
There wasn't any one personthat was like I'm following him
or I'm following her and I'mdoing everything he says or
(33:29):
everything she says.
I've picked bits and piecesfrom different people, from
different books and differentrecommended resources and I've
developed my own toolbox.
So I would encourage anyone outthere who's like, oh my gosh, I
don't know what to do.
Yeah, it's daunting, right, butjust baby step it.
That's what I always do.
I baby step the process,because we're not going to go
(33:50):
from zero to hero overnight.
It takes time, healing takestime, and I know we don't want
to hear that, but that's thetruth.
If you want to have long-termhealth and happiness, we have to
take those baby steps, and soone of the best things you could
do is start to educate yourself, and this podcast is a great
way to do it.
Educate yourself, and throughthat, you're going to find tools
(34:14):
and strategies that are goingto support you.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Thank you for that.
I always say start by beingcurious, because if you are
curious, then you do theresearch, then you start doing
all the other things.
After being curious, go try it.
Right, with mindfulness thatsometimes we do try things that
are also detrimental for ourbodies.
But you know, you try it andnow you know too, right?
(34:38):
So be curious, try it and, themost important thing, find a
community, because in thecommunity you find different
perspectives.
By finding differentperspectives you're like oh,
that worked for you, that workedfor you, that worked for you.
But always become curious.
That includes you in yourself.
Become curious, like why do Istill fight to go to sleep and
(35:01):
stay until three in the morning,scrolling doom, scrolling right
?
Or why do I always end in rowrate?
Become curious.
Why do you do the things thatyou do?
Because sometimes we just havethe blueprint of our parents and
our parents have the blueprintof our grandparents and so on,
right?
So sometimes we are the onesthat, like, you know what?
(35:23):
I'm gonna go solar, I'm notgonna use fire anymore, right,
but it took becoming curious andtry the changes, but it became
within words.
So if you know somebody that isstruggling right now with their
mental health or any kind ofhealth.
Please go to the resources thatwe have.
They're free and I know thebest step for everything is
(35:48):
asking for help or asking forcuriosity.
Believe me, the people thatcare, they don't care that you
ask them, you can ask me, youcan ask Kelly that we will like.
If we don't know, we will findyou somebody that knows.
So that's when you know you'rebuilding your dream team from go
to zero to hero and you have tobe the hero of you first.
That is, for all the mamas outthere, for all the fathers, for
(36:10):
all the caregivers.
You need to take care of youfirst.
If you don't take care of youfirst, it doesn't matter how
much you sacrifice for the otherperson, you will pass the bill.
Any other thoughts before we go?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Kelly.
No, I was just going to say,you know, thank you for sharing
that.
You know, in terms of, if youcan't find the resources
yourself to reach out to someonebecause I think you and I are
natural intrinsic learners, likewe thrive off of that, right.
But for those of us who arelistening in that maybe aren't
natural people of curiosity,right, like you said, reach out
(36:46):
to one of us or two, you know.
If you're not comfortable doingthat, reach out to a friend
that you know is a natural um,someone with natural curiosity,
because I know that everybodywants to help each other and so
when you reach out to someonewho does have that knowledge, or
maybe doesn't have theknowledge, but they can find the
resources, they'll bring itback to you and that will start
that journey that you can thengo on Right and I want everybody
(37:10):
to go out and just go trysomething new.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Like I said, I tried breathwork and that's what it
worked for me.
Right, I try?
Um, what was it?
Oh, I try.
They call it hot stones,massages and stuff like that.
That did not work for me, notbecause it was a bad thing, it's
just my body didn't like itright for x, y reason.
But everybody sores over it,right and um.
(37:37):
The same with acupuncture.
I used to love acupuncture, butthen, after my immune, my body
was like you know?
No, thank you.
So always remember, justbecause something worked in the
past doesn't mean it always willwork.
So don't get frustrated withyourself.
Just become curious.
And if you need the assistanceof a therapist to like I need to
(37:59):
explore more this, whateverthis means, please go find one.
And it takes around three tofour times.
It is really difficult.
I understand, but, believe me,when you find it, that person,
that is like a guiding for achapter also.
It doesn't, it's not meant tobe forever and ever and ever the
same with somebody that ifyou're interested in I don't
(38:19):
know CrossFit Back in the day, Itried that one too, but I love
the people there.
They're amazing people andkudos to whoever does CrossFit.
Right, I do dancing.
Not everybody likes dancing.
So go find something that movesyou, something that inspires
you and something to feed yoursoul, your body and mind.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Love that.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Thank you, kelly, where we can find you, where
people can go and love you andfind you and request the dancing
.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yes, yes, well, I love that you mentioned the
dancing, because I have taken ahiatus from that for quite some
time, but now that I'm in springbreak I am going to bring it
back.
So come on over, because theschool year is almost done and
I'm getting back into my springmode of like bringing that out
and dedicating those dances.
So, yes, come on over and seeme on and start following me.
(39:09):
I'll connect with you there.
I'll follow you back onInstagram.
I am at Kelly K-E-L-L-Yunderscore Bluth B as in boy
L-U-T-H.
I'm also on TikTok.
I have a Facebook community onFacebook for my podcast.
Come check out the podcast.
Wherever you listen to podcasts, it's available.
It's called Listening to yourGut.
(39:29):
Yeah, those are some of themany ways that you can connect
with me and just shoot me amessage and I'd love to start a
conversation with you and builda friendship.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Thank you so much, kelly.
And, like you guys heard, sheis offering a friendship and
when she mean it, she mean itBecause that's why we become
best friends too, because shemeans it.
So, when people told you,believe them and reach out.
So thank you, kelly.
I much appreciate you.
Please don't forget tosubscribe, to put the like
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Until next time to reflect, beproud of the journey, for every
step that brings you closer towho you truly are.
(40:22):
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of our guests.
Honor the bravery in youractions and celebrate the
importance of mental wellnesswith us.
And remember mental wellnesswith us.
And remember it's an exercisethat we practice daily.
Continue to grow and flourish,knowing that we are in this
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