Aspyn Ovard reportedly files for divorce on the same day she announces the birth of her third child. Tammy Hembrow's Stella magazine cover. Why 25 feels like the new teen pregnancy AND the latest influencer trip creating headlines.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
On today's show, Aspanovard reportedly files for divorce on the
same day she announces the birth of her third child.
Tammy Hembro shares how she co parents with Matt Poole
and the latest influencer trip creating headlines. Hello, and welcome
to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer and
pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate Torbert, and
(00:26):
I don't know how to feel about this, because apparently
being pregnant in your twenties is the new teen pregnancy.
And I know I am thirty five, but I actually
really resonated with this because a TikToker has come out
and said that she feels like when she goes out,
she's getting judgmental looks for being pregnant when she's twenty five.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, because this happened to you. The other day.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I was at the dentist of all places, and it
was my first appointment with this new dentist, and she
asked me why I was coming in for a checkup,
and I mentioned that I was pregnant, because apparently your
bacteria in your mouth changes and you've got to keep
up with dental appointments. And then She's like, hang on,
when did you get your wisdom teeth out?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And I was like, oh, I don't know, like ten
fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And she's like, hang on, how old are you? And
I said, oh, I'm turning thirty five and she was like,
oh my god, I didn't even think you were old
enough to have children. And while most people will probably
take this as a compliment, I was like, fuck, am
I walking around people thinking I'm some teen pregnancy? And
I know that sounds ridiculous because I am in my
thirties and we were out the other day and some
(01:27):
lady who was probably I think in her sixties, she
was giving you a filthy look, and I looked at her.
I thought, I reckon, she thinks that we're teenagers. Yeah.
It's just really given me this complex about it, because
I think it's hard when people in their thirties dressed
similarly to teenagers, because I usually am out and about
in leggings and a big jumper with my hair pulled back,
(01:48):
so from a distance you probably couldn't really tell how
old I actually am.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, that's what this TikTok has said.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
She said she was out at the shop, she's twenty five,
and the looks that people were giving her made her
feel so uncomfortable. This video resonated with a lot of
young women. Her comment section was flooded with people saying like,
I'm twenty nine and my doctor even said, wow, you're
young to be having kids. Yeah. I think it's all
because of the rising age of mums. We now expect
women to look a certain age when they do have children,
(02:16):
and I think again, it plays also into this whole
thing where millennials don't actually consider themselves adults. Well, people
are saying that millennials aren't aging as well, so it
makes things extra complicated. I also think that there's just
so much judgment from older women because first of all,
usually I find it's oh, you haven't had kids yet.
But then on the other hand, women in the mid
(02:38):
twenties are being told, oh, you're too young, so when
is the perfect time to have them. I actually saw
this article talking about how millennials look a lot younger,
and someone was sharing the ages of certain actors in sitcoms.
So they brought up a picture of George Costanzer and
was like, he's actually thirty one in Seinfeld and then
also the cast of What's that show with Ted.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Dance and Cheers.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
A lot of them were apparently in their mid thirties.
I could not believe it. They all looked about fifty.
So it is interesting to consider what society deems twenty
and thirty year olds to actually look like compared to
what they do look like. Or they compared George Castanza
to Harry Styles, Who's turn thirty? That was a weird comparison.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Aspen and Parker are divorced. I thought this was an
EPI fool's joke.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
The rumor meal is running wild with speculation that YouTuber
Aspen Ovard has filed for divorce on the same day
as announcing.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
The birth of her third child.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Court documents were obtained from a super sleuth and posted
on Reddit. Now, so before we get into it, can
you tell us more.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
About the couple.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Well. Aspen is a twenty seven year old og YouTuber
from Utah with over three point two million subscribers, and
she started out sharing lifestyle vlogs back in twenty sixteen,
and this is where we first met her husband, Parker Ferris.
They got married really young, so Aspen was only nineteen
and Parker was twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
So are they a Mormon couple.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I say that because you mentioned Utah and there seems
to be this big boom of Mormon influences gaining a
lot of attention recently.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Is this one of them? That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So Aspen isn't a Mormon, but it is believed that
Parker grew up as a Mormon and left the religion
in order.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
To marry her.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Now, as soon as Aspyn became a mum, her channel
evolved into a family channel, with Parker cementing himself as
a main character. This was until last year though, because
we started seeing less and less of Parker on her channel.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That's always a bit of a red flag.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
When the husband suddenly disabissed. Yeah. Well this coincided with
Aspen also making the decision to pull back from her
channel herself and take a break, and she went on
to explain that she wants to keep her girls off
her channel, which led to a lot of speculation. So
everyone was saying that one of her daughters must be unwell,
and there was extra speculation when they decided to sell
(04:51):
their dream home in Utah. So they had been building
this house and apparently it had a basketball court in
the basement. It was part Plucker's dream house, and all
of a sudden, Aspen decided that she wanted to move
to California, so it seemed to be that there was
a bit of tension there. Now people feel very connected
to this couple, almost like they have ownership over them,
(05:13):
because they have been tuning into their lives for so
many years now. And this is why Aspen's followers were
left completely shocked on Monday when People magazine broke the
news that she and Parker were reportedly getting divorced. So
a super sleuth has gone and obtained these public court
documents that outline the Aspen filed for divorce on the
(05:33):
first of April. Now, the reason this was such a
shock was because Aspen had literally just announced that she'd
given birth to her daughter six weeks early, so she
uploaded a total of seven TikTok videos in the delivery room.
She even showed Parker in the footage with his wedding
ring clearly on display. It does appear that these videos
are actually a couple of weeks old, and the Aspens
(05:55):
only just decided to upload the content, but it's very
odd timing. Why did you upload this content at the
time you file fort divorce.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's so odd.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
A lot of people were speculating this must be some
sort of April Fool's joke, especially when US media publications
started reporting it.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
But the official court documents don't lie.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I wonder what tip off this apparent slupersluthor has had
that they've gone and searched the couple's name on court
documents the day they announced the arrival of their third child. Well,
it could have had something to do with the fact
that Aspen changed over the name of her YouTube channel,
which was previously Aspen and Parker, to just her name.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, but that's just.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
A bit of a trend at the moment with influencers.
So on a local front, Ellie Watson, who was known
by her hand or Else's Wholesome Life, she recently changed
over to her name. We also had Steph Pace, who
was known as just another mummy blogger change over to
her name. It's clear that influencers want to be known
by their name and not by a particular handles their name.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It was Aspen and the husband.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Well, it was a family channel. That's why it was
a bit odd for them to change it. I mean,
I feel like if Chloe and Mitch suddenly became just Chloe. Yeah,
but it's more commercially viable to promote the most popular
person in the duo. The thing that I don't like
is that these court documents will posted immediately to Reddit,
and this thread absolutely went off. This whole concept of
(07:17):
citizen journalism is really strange. I get that these documents
are publicly available, but I just find it so weird
that people just want to get their hands in them
and release this information when this woman is at her
most vulnerable state. See Aspen's content keeps popping up on
my TikTok feed and I was like, is this the
same woman? Because I was so confused, I'm like, how
is she sharing this? And I was looking at the
(07:39):
comments and none of them mentioned Parker. So I don't
know if they've gone into complete damage control and have
been completely moderating all the comments. She's probably done that
thing where you can choose a particular word that won't
show up. I just don't get it, because isn't there
some sort of unspoken rule that we leave postpartum more
pregnant women alone. This just seems so targeted and not
on TikTok no, but I'm just saying, like, why are
(08:00):
people scrounging around trying to find out any details? Yeah,
but to be fair, this woman does share very private
details of her family life on the internet. I mean,
her first thought after giving birth was to grab her
phone and literally bang up a bunch of content. So
she was talking about her first post birth meal. She
was giving heaps of details about how her daughter had
(08:21):
arrived early and what the process was. I get that,
but it's her job and she's posted this. I mean,
the birth happened presumably three weeks ago, that's what people
are saying, So that that's why it makes it extra
weird that she decided to post the videos on the
days that she files to divorce. So if these court
documents are legit and they are getting divorced, I wonder
if she is announcing the news of her baby as
(08:43):
a bit of a red hairing to take people's attention
away from the divorce. Because this divorce, they didn't publicly
come out and say we're getting divorced. How do they think, Like,
how do they know that someone is going to search
for this the day they announced their baby is born. Yeah,
it does sound likely that they're trying to distract people
with the baby news. Yeah, it is an interesting tactic
because when I heard the news, I'm like, that just
(09:04):
doesn't make sense, like it mustn't be true, and I
think that that's what they're banking on.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Topicals brands. Now, I saw what happened in your recent
brand trip and I am praying that everyone is okay.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Another week and another influencer brand trip is making headlines. Now,
this one's a little bit different though, because the brand
at the center of the drama is one you would
least expect. Now, before we get into the drama, Ky,
can you tell us about the brand. So the brand
in question is called Topicals, and they are a very
popular gen Z black owned skincare company that are renowned
(09:37):
for its inclusive, science backed skincare products. So the brand
launched back in twenty twenty two and was founded by
Alamadi Alowi, who became the youngest black woman to raise
ten million dollars in funding. And it's quite ironic because
at the start of the year, Vogue actually praised Topicals
for rewriting the playbook on influencer brand trips. So in January,
(09:57):
they took twelve black influences on a week trip to Ghana,
and the trip was hailed a success and unusually greeted
with a lot of positive responses online. Now we will
get into why that trip was so successful a little
bit later, but we need to know what happened on
the recent trip. So the brand invited black and brown
creators from the UK and US to the French Alps,
(10:19):
and during a scheduled visit to a spa, a staff
member approached two of the influencers who were Muslim and
said they couldn't enter due to their modest swimwear. The
women were then told they needed to purchase bikinis from
a gift shop at the spa. So another staff member
then approached the group a second time and said spa
attendees felt uncomfortable around them. This is actually unbelievable and
(10:42):
to make matters worse, Influencer Nella Rose, who was on
the trip, ended up sharing her experience on TikTok as
a part of a recap of her day, and she
included a vision of people who appear to be SPA
employees arguing with them and in the video, Nella said,
this is them calling the police on us. Now, Topical
did release a statement confirming that Muslim creators were discriminated
(11:04):
against and harassed at a French spar during the brand trip.
So the brand said the group were threatened to have
law enforcement called on them, and in a statement, a
spokesperson for the brand said, just as any other group
of people, we should be able to enjoy the luxuries
of travel and finer experiences without the constant fear of hate.
As a black owned brand, we will not allow this
to stop us. We will continue to place black and
(11:26):
brown creators at the forefront of our branded experiences. Discrimination
cannot and will not stop us now. The brand later
confirmed that they will donate ten thousand dollars to Muslim
and Black organizations in France to bolster local power enjoy
it within marginal communities. What did you think about this
response from a PR perspective, You really can't fault this
response from the brand. I'm confused though, because I know
(11:50):
it was their brand trip, but they can't control what
these members of staff at this spa say.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Why are they copying it so much?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I mean, it's not so much that they're copying it,
but suppose that their brand is now aligned with this
negative trip, and when you read headlines about our influences
were racially discriminated against on this brand's trip, it is
not a good look. I think it's rather interesting though,
because this is the third brand trip that Topicals have held.
But when you do look at their previous trip to Ghana,
(12:20):
you do wonder how it got to this point because,
as you say, it's obviously not the brand's fault when
it comes to how the SPA employees behaved, but you
would have thought that they would have done research into
the place that was included on their itinerary, particularly because
this Garner trip was so meticulously planned, because as I mentioned,
they took twelve black creators on the trip, and these
(12:40):
influencers were selected meticulously, so they took people that they
actually wanted to reward, that had been with the brand
from the start and that really aligned with their values.
And this is normally where a lot of brands actually
missed the mark because they end up choosing influencers solely
based on their follower account, and normally these influencers don't
act actually align with the brand's values and target audience,
(13:03):
and that's where things go astray. We saw it recently
with the Elizabeth Arden trip when they bought Simone Anderson. Now,
the brand also selected the right location, so Ghana perfectly
reflected Topical's brand identity and aligned with its audience because
a lot of their audience actually travel to West Africa
for the holiday period. So it does make you wonder
(13:25):
why they picked the French outs, particularly when they took
Muslim tourists there, because the burkhini is actually very contentious
in France, so in some French beaches the berkini is
actually banned. However, Muslim women have argued for a long
time against these restrictions. It's quite interesting because Miss Pakistan
even wore a berkini during the Miss Universe pageant last
(13:46):
year to make a statement. So it does make me
wonder is their fault on the brand because they picked
this location. I just think it's an unfortunate incident which
has occurred, and there was really nothing this brand could
have done.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
To stop it.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I know want to blame this brand, but I just
find it quite interesting that their last trip got so
heavily praised due to the huge amount of strategy and
organization that went into it, and then something like this
happens on their third Trip like it just is so
unlucky and unfortunate. But then again, I do think, well,
(14:20):
maybe it did have something to do with the location.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I wonder how it's going to impact the brand.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I mean, obviously they've come out and made this donation,
but sometimes where there's people think, where there's smoke, there's fire,
and some people will only read the headlines that have
come from this brand Trip And that's why I feel
so sorry for this brand, because they appear to be
doing all of the right things, and people just read
the headlines and will go, oh, it's a racist brand
when it is the complete opposite, and particularly when TikTok
(14:49):
is involved, because people just love jumping on the drama
and don't actually know all of the finer details. This
is why you look functioning, not saying mouth here, I'm
going to see how well you know me. Tammy Hembro's
Stellar magazine cover has sparked mainstream media coverage, But did
we really learn anything new? A sure answer to that
question would be no, because I think that anyone who
(15:11):
listens to our podcast and actually keeps up with Tammy
Hembro's life wouldn't be completely surprised by any of the
revelations that came out of this story. Traditional media were
pretty interested in it because she did mention the Kardashians
and also her relationship with Matt Zukowski. The thing is, though,
I actually found her interview on Matt's podcast more enlightening
(15:32):
than this actual Stellar Magazine interview.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
She did share the.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Photos from her cover story to her seventeen point five
million Instagram followers, and did reveal that she's not big
on interviews but got pretty in depth on this one.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I think it peaked the media's interests the fact that
she mentioned the Kardashians and she spoke about the infamous
Kylie Jenner twenty first birthday party where she was photographed
being taken out face down on a stretcher. Yeah, I
feel like those headlines are still haunting Tammy. In the interview,
she didn't actually name the Kardashians, but touched on the incident.
(16:06):
So she said after one or two drinks, she collapsed
and woke up in hospital to find there were pictures
published online of her being carried out of the party
by paramedics, and she actually labeled the moment at her
rock bottom and said that she went from media darling
to public enemy. She said, I kept telling myself there
is only up from here. It was a very dark
time and I had to shut out the trolls and
(16:27):
the hate I was getting.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I think it made her even bigger though.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, I agree, because her connection, even though it was
a negative one with the Kardashians, it's still a connection.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Because people were like looking into.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Oh wow, some of the Kardashians have unfollowed her, and
what's her relationship with Tiger because it was all of
that drama as well. And she dropped a good tease
for the book because she said she'll go into more
detail about this.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I think that was very clever because really she didn't
say too much more than she already said, you know,
back in twenty eighteen. Now.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
The other in interesting thing to come.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Out of this interview was her revealing that staying together
with her ex fiances for the kids wasn't an option.
So she said, people say you should work things out
for the kids, but that is just literally not the
best option. Blended families can be amazing, and my goal
is to always get along with my exes.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I do love it.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Because she also cracked a joke about how convenient it
is that her last two fiances have been called Matt,
so it doesn't matter if she does mix up their names.
And she did touch on her new relationship with Matt Sakowski,
so she shared that his public profile has actually helped
their relationship, which I found interesting because I always wonder
how do these influencer relationships work. I know Matt has
(17:40):
his podcast, but you kind of think it must put
a lot of pressure on them because they must just
spend twenty four to seven with each other. Well they
don't because they live in different states. So maybe true
that is helping things out. But she did say that
in her past relationships it felt like her partners were
on the sidelines and they didn't really understand her, or
they saw it in a negative light. I found it
(18:03):
interesting that she said that Mattsakowski has a bigger profile
than Matt Poul because.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
That's I would agree with that. Well, Matt Paul was.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
An iron man, so he didn't know who really was before. Yeah,
but Matsakowski, well, he was on Love Island about five
years ago. Like I wouldn't say he has had a
huge profile since then.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I'd say he's more famous though than Matt Pool.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
They're both none of them are as famous as Tammy though.
No Like if you're looking at Instagram followers, Reees Hawkins
has the most. I mean, I know that is because
he piggybacked off Tammy. Maybe she's more saying that Matt
shares more of his life than her other previous boyfriends.
I mean, Reez Hawkins obviously ended up sharing a lot
just because he was with Tammy. But if you think
about it, Matt's got his own podcast, He's got what
(18:45):
over one hundred thousand followers on I think she's saying
he had an established public profile before her is essentially
what she's saying now. She was asked about the backlash
that she received after announcing her third engagement, and she
said that she's got pretty thick skin now. She went
on to say, in the beginning, it definitely got to me,
but I couldn't care less anymore. I don't change how
(19:05):
I'm going to act or how I'm going to live
my life again. I think it's great what she said,
but she went into even more depth about the trolling
and how she felt about it on Matt's podcast. I
wonder if this will lead to Tammy being on the
Stellar podcast because a lot of their cover people have
then been involved in subsequent episodes. We saw the same
thing with Britt Hockley. She was recently on The Shameless
(19:27):
Girls they did to cover, and then Michelle was on
the show. So Tammy might dish more in the podcast episode.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I don't think she's.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Going to dish that much. She's going to save it
for the book. So maybe once the book is released,
they'll then bring out the episode, which I think would
be a better way of doing it. The only other
interesting things I thought worthy of mentioning was that she
did confirm that she hasn't had a Brazilian bum lift
or lip injections. She did confirm, though, that she did
get breast in plants after she had Saskia and is
(19:55):
actually thinking of having them removed. So she said, I'm
very different from where I was back there, and I
love looking good, but there are so many more important
things in life. It's not things like that that make
people beautiful or who they are. It's sad that she
has built this empire, but all people really want to
hear about is who she's dating in, what cosmetic surgery
she's had because I would like to hear how did
(20:15):
Tammy create this business empire. Maybe that's just me because
I like the business side of things. In saying that, though,
they did touch on how the Tammy Fit app has
gotten so successful, so they explained it actually started off
as an e book where she only invested four hundred
dollars into illustrations of the exercises and that's now progressed
into an app that is expected to be worth in
(20:37):
the millions of dollars because they are predicting her fortune
to be at fifty million dollars and that would be
from the app and also her active wear collection. So
they definitely did touch on her business at Crimen.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Oh, guys, I seriously need to help.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Usually when I do these, I have somewhat of an
idea of what I'm wearing, but I truly have no idea.
Talia Scaines has been criticized after sharing details about how
she managed her influencing career. The Barlely based YouTuber was
asked to share in an Instagram Q and A behind
the scenes of how her brand deals work. So she
revealed that the bulk of the workfalls on her manager
(21:11):
and explained that her manager organizes all of her deals, contracts,
and emails. She also said that the deals are struck
two ways, either brands reach out to her or she
reaches out to the brand and they come to an agreement. Now,
I personally thought that this was common knowledge. However, some
people seem to be up in arms. They're saying, oh,
how easy is the life of an influence, so they
(21:33):
don't even do all that work themselves. I think as
influencing has evolved as a job, I thought it was
quite publicly known that most big time influencers had managers
because a lot of the time, the job of the
influencer is to create that content. They don't necessarily have
all of these relationships with a huge amount of brands.
They go to the manager so that they can secure
(21:53):
those big brand deals. And also, now that brands expect
so much and you've got to jump through hoops to
ensure that you you are putting you know that your
content is sponsored, There's all these legalities that you have
to adhere to. I think it's obvious that they need
someone in place to help them do all those things.
So is this manager actually uploading Talia's content to Instagram?
Is that what people have a problem with. They're like, oh,
(22:15):
she can't even be bothered to upload it. Well, she says,
once she creates the content, she sends it to a manager,
and then the manager sends it to the brand for approval,
and then it's scheduled in. So a couple of weeks ago,
we were discussing that Sarah's Day was actually copying it
for the reverse that she doesn't seem to have a
middle person that is scheduling in the content, because she
was complaining that she doesn't have enough time to do
(22:36):
it herself.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I actually think that.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Talia should be applauded for having a manager, because there
are so many influencers who try and manage themselves and
they end up having these really embarrassing gaffs where they
upload say a caption that they haven't read over properly
and it says, you.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Know, insert this caption here. It could have.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Something to do with Tarlia living in Bali, because recently
I discovered that if you start post in content from overseas,
your account can become shadow band because there's something to
do with the VPN. So I wonder when she made
the move, is that when she got the manager to
start uploading all of her content. She did mention in
a YouTube video recently that this person used to manage
(23:16):
her years ago and she recently got them on board,
so that potentially could be the reason. But I think
people are just looking out for reasons to hate on
influencers at the moment, and maybe Tarlia shouldn't have touched
on how it all works, but I personally found it
pretty interesting because she was talking about how she's got
some ongoing brand deals and the packages that she potentially
(23:38):
offers them. So she said that sometimes she'll do four
videos for a brand in a space of a month,
and then sometimes she'll have in a monthly hole locked in.
And I actually enjoyed hearing the different packages that were
available because I love looking out for that sort of
stuff in influencers content.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Now it's really juicy.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
It's those boring details that I find so interesting. That's
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On today's show, Aspanovard reportedly files for divorce on the
same day she announces the birth of her third child.
Tammy Hembro shares how she co parents with Matt Poole
and the latest influencer trip creating headlines. Hello, and welcome
to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer and
pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate Torbert, and
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I don't know how to feel about this, because apparently
being pregnant in your twenties is the new teen pregnancy.
And I know I am thirty five, but I actually
really resonated with this because a TikToker has come out
and said that she feels like when she goes out,
she's getting judgmental looks for being pregnant when she's twenty five.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, because this happened to you. The other day.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I was at the dentist of all places, and it
was my first appointment with this new dentist, and she
asked me why I was coming in for a checkup,
and I mentioned that I was pregnant, because apparently your
bacteria in your mouth changes and you've got to keep
up with dental appointments. And then She's like, hang on,
when did you get your wisdom teeth out?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And I was like, oh, I don't know, like ten
fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And she's like, hang on, how old are you? And
I said, oh, I'm turning thirty five and she was like,
oh my god, I didn't even think you were old
enough to have children. And while most people will probably
take this as a compliment, I was like, fuck, am
I walking around people thinking I'm some teen pregnancy? And
I know that sounds ridiculous because I am in my
thirties and we were out the other day and some
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lady who was probably I think in her sixties, she
was giving you a filthy look, and I looked at her.
I thought, I reckon, she thinks that we're teenagers. Yeah.
It's just really given me this complex about it, because
I think it's hard when people in their thirties dressed
similarly to teenagers, because I usually am out and about
in leggings and a big jumper with my hair pulled back,
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so from a distance you probably couldn't really tell how
old I actually am.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, that's what this TikTok has said.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
She said she was out at the shop, she's twenty five,
and the looks that people were giving her made her
feel so uncomfortable. This video resonated with a lot of
young women. Her comment section was flooded with people saying like,
I'm twenty nine and my doctor even said, wow, you're
young to be having kids. Yeah. I think it's all
because of the rising age of mums. We now expect
women to look a certain age when they do have children,
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and I think again, it plays also into this whole
thing where millennials don't actually consider themselves adults. Well, people
are saying that millennials aren't aging as well, so it
makes things extra complicated. I also think that there's just
so much judgment from older women because first of all,
usually I find it's oh, you haven't had kids yet.
But then on the other hand, women in the mid
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twenties are being told, oh, you're too young, so when
is the perfect time to have them. I actually saw
this article talking about how millennials look a lot younger,
and someone was sharing the ages of certain actors in sitcoms.
So they brought up a picture of George Costanzer and
was like, he's actually thirty one in Seinfeld and then
also the cast of What's that show with Ted.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Dance and Cheers.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
A lot of them were apparently in their mid thirties.
I could not believe it. They all looked about fifty.
So it is interesting to consider what society deems twenty
and thirty year olds to actually look like compared to
what they do look like. Or they compared George Castanza
to Harry Styles, Who's turn thirty? That was a weird comparison.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Aspen and Parker are divorced. I thought this was an
EPI fool's joke.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
The rumor meal is running wild with speculation that YouTuber
Aspen Ovard has filed for divorce on the same day
as announcing.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
The birth of her third child.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Court documents were obtained from a super sleuth and posted
on Reddit. Now, so before we get into it, can
you tell us more.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
About the couple.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Well. Aspen is a twenty seven year old og YouTuber
from Utah with over three point two million subscribers, and
she started out sharing lifestyle vlogs back in twenty sixteen,
and this is where we first met her husband, Parker Ferris.
They got married really young, so Aspen was only nineteen
and Parker was twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
So are they a Mormon couple.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I say that because you mentioned Utah and there seems
to be this big boom of Mormon influences gaining a
lot of attention recently.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Is this one of them? That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So Aspen isn't a Mormon, but it is believed that
Parker grew up as a Mormon and left the religion
in order.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
To marry her.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Now, as soon as Aspyn became a mum, her channel
evolved into a family channel, with Parker cementing himself as
a main character. This was until last year though, because
we started seeing less and less of Parker on her channel.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That's always a bit of a red flag.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
When the husband suddenly disabissed. Yeah. Well this coincided with
Aspen also making the decision to pull back from her
channel herself and take a break, and she went on
to explain that she wants to keep her girls off
her channel, which led to a lot of speculation. So
everyone was saying that one of her daughters must be unwell,
and there was extra speculation when they decided to sell
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their dream home in Utah. So they had been building
this house and apparently it had a basketball court in
the basement. It was part Plucker's dream house, and all
of a sudden, Aspen decided that she wanted to move
to California, so it seemed to be that there was
a bit of tension there. Now people feel very connected
to this couple, almost like they have ownership over them,
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because they have been tuning into their lives for so
many years now. And this is why Aspen's followers were
left completely shocked on Monday when People magazine broke the
news that she and Parker were reportedly getting divorced. So
a super sleuth has gone and obtained these public court
documents that outline the Aspen filed for divorce on the
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first of April. Now, the reason this was such a
shock was because Aspen had literally just announced that she'd
given birth to her daughter six weeks early, so she
uploaded a total of seven TikTok videos in the delivery room.
She even showed Parker in the footage with his wedding
ring clearly on display. It does appear that these videos
are actually a couple of weeks old, and the Aspens
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only just decided to upload the content, but it's very
odd timing. Why did you upload this content at the
time you file fort divorce.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's so odd.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
A lot of people were speculating this must be some
sort of April Fool's joke, especially when US media publications
started reporting it.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
But the official court documents don't lie.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I wonder what tip off this apparent slupersluthor has had
that they've gone and searched the couple's name on court
documents the day they announced the arrival of their third child. Well,
it could have had something to do with the fact
that Aspen changed over the name of her YouTube channel,
which was previously Aspen and Parker, to just her name.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, but that's just.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
A bit of a trend at the moment with influencers.
So on a local front, Ellie Watson, who was known
by her hand or Else's Wholesome Life, she recently changed
over to her name. We also had Steph Pace, who
was known as just another mummy blogger change over to
her name. It's clear that influencers want to be known
by their name and not by a particular handles their name.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It was Aspen and the husband.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Well, it was a family channel. That's why it was
a bit odd for them to change it. I mean,
I feel like if Chloe and Mitch suddenly became just Chloe. Yeah,
but it's more commercially viable to promote the most popular
person in the duo. The thing that I don't like
is that these court documents will posted immediately to Reddit,
and this thread absolutely went off. This whole concept of
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citizen journalism is really strange. I get that these documents
are publicly available, but I just find it so weird
that people just want to get their hands in them
and release this information when this woman is at her
most vulnerable state. See Aspen's content keeps popping up on
my TikTok feed and I was like, is this the
same woman? Because I was so confused, I'm like, how
is she sharing this? And I was looking at the
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comments and none of them mentioned Parker. So I don't
know if they've gone into complete damage control and have
been completely moderating all the comments. She's probably done that
thing where you can choose a particular word that won't
show up. I just don't get it, because isn't there
some sort of unspoken rule that we leave postpartum more
pregnant women alone. This just seems so targeted and not
on TikTok no, but I'm just saying, like, why are
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people scrounging around trying to find out any details? Yeah,
but to be fair, this woman does share very private
details of her family life on the internet. I mean,
her first thought after giving birth was to grab her
phone and literally bang up a bunch of content. So
she was talking about her first post birth meal. She
was giving heaps of details about how her daughter had
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arrived early and what the process was. I get that,
but it's her job and she's posted this. I mean,
the birth happened presumably three weeks ago, that's what people
are saying, So that that's why it makes it extra
weird that she decided to post the videos on the
days that she files to divorce. So if these court
documents are legit and they are getting divorced, I wonder
if she is announcing the news of her baby as
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a bit of a red hairing to take people's attention
away from the divorce. Because this divorce, they didn't publicly
come out and say we're getting divorced. How do they think, Like,
how do they know that someone is going to search
for this the day they announced their baby is born. Yeah,
it does sound likely that they're trying to distract people
with the baby news. Yeah, it is an interesting tactic
because when I heard the news, I'm like, that just
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doesn't make sense, like it mustn't be true, and I
think that that's what they're banking on.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Topicals brands. Now, I saw what happened in your recent
brand trip and I am praying that everyone is okay.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Another week and another influencer brand trip is making headlines. Now,
this one's a little bit different though, because the brand
at the center of the drama is one you would
least expect. Now, before we get into the drama, Ky,
can you tell us about the brand. So the brand
in question is called Topicals, and they are a very
popular gen Z black owned skincare company that are renowned
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for its inclusive, science backed skincare products. So the brand
launched back in twenty twenty two and was founded by
Alamadi Alowi, who became the youngest black woman to raise
ten million dollars in funding. And it's quite ironic because
at the start of the year, Vogue actually praised Topicals
for rewriting the playbook on influencer brand trips. So in January,
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they took twelve black influences on a week trip to Ghana,
and the trip was hailed a success and unusually greeted
with a lot of positive responses online. Now we will
get into why that trip was so successful a little
bit later, but we need to know what happened on
the recent trip. So the brand invited black and brown
creators from the UK and US to the French Alps,
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and during a scheduled visit to a spa, a staff
member approached two of the influencers who were Muslim and
said they couldn't enter due to their modest swimwear. The
women were then told they needed to purchase bikinis from
a gift shop at the spa. So another staff member
then approached the group a second time and said spa
attendees felt uncomfortable around them. This is actually unbelievable and
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to make matters worse, Influencer Nella Rose, who was on
the trip, ended up sharing her experience on TikTok as
a part of a recap of her day, and she
included a vision of people who appear to be SPA
employees arguing with them and in the video, Nella said,
this is them calling the police on us. Now, Topical
did release a statement confirming that Muslim creators were discriminated
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against and harassed at a French spar during the brand trip.
So the brand said the group were threatened to have
law enforcement called on them, and in a statement, a
spokesperson for the brand said, just as any other group
of people, we should be able to enjoy the luxuries
of travel and finer experiences without the constant fear of hate.
As a black owned brand, we will not allow this
to stop us. We will continue to place black and
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brown creators at the forefront of our branded experiences. Discrimination
cannot and will not stop us now. The brand later
confirmed that they will donate ten thousand dollars to Muslim
and Black organizations in France to bolster local power enjoy
it within marginal communities. What did you think about this
response from a PR perspective, You really can't fault this
response from the brand. I'm confused though, because I know
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it was their brand trip, but they can't control what
these members of staff at this spa say.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Why are they copying it so much?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I mean, it's not so much that they're copying it,
but suppose that their brand is now aligned with this
negative trip, and when you read headlines about our influences
were racially discriminated against on this brand's trip, it is
not a good look. I think it's rather interesting though,
because this is the third brand trip that Topicals have held.
But when you do look at their previous trip to Ghana,
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you do wonder how it got to this point because,
as you say, it's obviously not the brand's fault when
it comes to how the SPA employees behaved, but you
would have thought that they would have done research into
the place that was included on their itinerary, particularly because
this Garner trip was so meticulously planned, because as I mentioned,
they took twelve black creators on the trip, and these
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influencers were selected meticulously, so they took people that they
actually wanted to reward, that had been with the brand
from the start and that really aligned with their values.
And this is normally where a lot of brands actually
missed the mark because they end up choosing influencers solely
based on their follower account, and normally these influencers don't
act actually align with the brand's values and target audience,
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and that's where things go astray. We saw it recently
with the Elizabeth Arden trip when they bought Simone Anderson. Now,
the brand also selected the right location, so Ghana perfectly
reflected Topical's brand identity and aligned with its audience because
a lot of their audience actually travel to West Africa
for the holiday period. So it does make you wonder
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why they picked the French outs, particularly when they took
Muslim tourists there, because the burkhini is actually very contentious
in France, so in some French beaches the berkini is
actually banned. However, Muslim women have argued for a long
time against these restrictions. It's quite interesting because Miss Pakistan
even wore a berkini during the Miss Universe pageant last
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year to make a statement. So it does make me
wonder is their fault on the brand because they picked
this location. I just think it's an unfortunate incident which
has occurred, and there was really nothing this brand could
have done.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
To stop it.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I know want to blame this brand, but I just
find it quite interesting that their last trip got so
heavily praised due to the huge amount of strategy and
organization that went into it, and then something like this
happens on their third Trip like it just is so
unlucky and unfortunate. But then again, I do think, well,
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maybe it did have something to do with the location.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I wonder how it's going to impact the brand.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I mean, obviously they've come out and made this donation,
but sometimes where there's people think, where there's smoke, there's fire,
and some people will only read the headlines that have
come from this brand Trip And that's why I feel
so sorry for this brand, because they appear to be
doing all of the right things, and people just read
the headlines and will go, oh, it's a racist brand
when it is the complete opposite, and particularly when TikTok
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is involved, because people just love jumping on the drama
and don't actually know all of the finer details. This
is why you look functioning, not saying mouth here, I'm
going to see how well you know me. Tammy Hembro's
Stellar magazine cover has sparked mainstream media coverage, But did
we really learn anything new? A sure answer to that
question would be no, because I think that anyone who
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listens to our podcast and actually keeps up with Tammy
Hembro's life wouldn't be completely surprised by any of the
revelations that came out of this story. Traditional media were
pretty interested in it because she did mention the Kardashians
and also her relationship with Matt Zukowski. The thing is, though,
I actually found her interview on Matt's podcast more enlightening
(15:32):
than this actual Stellar Magazine interview.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
She did share the.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Photos from her cover story to her seventeen point five
million Instagram followers, and did reveal that she's not big
on interviews but got pretty in depth on this one.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I think it peaked the media's interests the fact that
she mentioned the Kardashians and she spoke about the infamous
Kylie Jenner twenty first birthday party where she was photographed
being taken out face down on a stretcher. Yeah, I
feel like those headlines are still haunting Tammy. In the interview,
she didn't actually name the Kardashians, but touched on the incident.
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So she said after one or two drinks, she collapsed
and woke up in hospital to find there were pictures
published online of her being carried out of the party
by paramedics, and she actually labeled the moment at her
rock bottom and said that she went from media darling
to public enemy. She said, I kept telling myself there
is only up from here. It was a very dark
time and I had to shut out the trolls and
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the hate I was getting.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I think it made her even bigger though.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, I agree, because her connection, even though it was
a negative one with the Kardashians, it's still a connection.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Because people were like looking into.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Oh wow, some of the Kardashians have unfollowed her, and
what's her relationship with Tiger because it was all of
that drama as well. And she dropped a good tease
for the book because she said she'll go into more
detail about this.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I think that was very clever because really she didn't
say too much more than she already said, you know,
back in twenty eighteen. Now.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
The other in interesting thing to come.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Out of this interview was her revealing that staying together
with her ex fiances for the kids wasn't an option.
So she said, people say you should work things out
for the kids, but that is just literally not the
best option. Blended families can be amazing, and my goal
is to always get along with my exes.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I do love it.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Because she also cracked a joke about how convenient it
is that her last two fiances have been called Matt,
so it doesn't matter if she does mix up their names.
And she did touch on her new relationship with Matt Sakowski,
so she shared that his public profile has actually helped
their relationship, which I found interesting because I always wonder
how do these influencer relationships work. I know Matt has
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his podcast, but you kind of think it must put
a lot of pressure on them because they must just
spend twenty four to seven with each other. Well they
don't because they live in different states. So maybe true
that is helping things out. But she did say that
in her past relationships it felt like her partners were
on the sidelines and they didn't really understand her, or
they saw it in a negative light. I found it
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interesting that she said that Mattsakowski has a bigger profile
than Matt Poul because.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
That's I would agree with that. Well, Matt Paul was.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
An iron man, so he didn't know who really was before. Yeah,
but Matsakowski, well, he was on Love Island about five
years ago. Like I wouldn't say he has had a
huge profile since then.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I'd say he's more famous though than Matt Pool.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
They're both none of them are as famous as Tammy though.
No Like if you're looking at Instagram followers, Reees Hawkins
has the most. I mean, I know that is because
he piggybacked off Tammy. Maybe she's more saying that Matt
shares more of his life than her other previous boyfriends.
I mean, Reez Hawkins obviously ended up sharing a lot
just because he was with Tammy. But if you think
about it, Matt's got his own podcast, He's got what
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over one hundred thousand followers on I think she's saying
he had an established public profile before her is essentially
what she's saying now. She was asked about the backlash
that she received after announcing her third engagement, and she
said that she's got pretty thick skin now. She went
on to say, in the beginning, it definitely got to me,
but I couldn't care less anymore. I don't change how
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I'm going to act or how I'm going to live
my life again. I think it's great what she said,
but she went into even more depth about the trolling
and how she felt about it on Matt's podcast. I
wonder if this will lead to Tammy being on the
Stellar podcast because a lot of their cover people have
then been involved in subsequent episodes. We saw the same
thing with Britt Hockley. She was recently on The Shameless
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Girls they did to cover, and then Michelle was on
the show. So Tammy might dish more in the podcast episode.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I don't think she's.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Going to dish that much. She's going to save it
for the book. So maybe once the book is released,
they'll then bring out the episode, which I think would
be a better way of doing it. The only other
interesting things I thought worthy of mentioning was that she
did confirm that she hasn't had a Brazilian bum lift
or lip injections. She did confirm, though, that she did
get breast in plants after she had Saskia and is
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actually thinking of having them removed. So she said, I'm
very different from where I was back there, and I
love looking good, but there are so many more important
things in life. It's not things like that that make
people beautiful or who they are. It's sad that she
has built this empire, but all people really want to
hear about is who she's dating in, what cosmetic surgery
she's had because I would like to hear how did
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Tammy create this business empire. Maybe that's just me because
I like the business side of things. In saying that, though,
they did touch on how the Tammy Fit app has
gotten so successful, so they explained it actually started off
as an e book where she only invested four hundred
dollars into illustrations of the exercises and that's now progressed
into an app that is expected to be worth in
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the millions of dollars because they are predicting her fortune
to be at fifty million dollars and that would be
from the app and also her active wear collection. So
they definitely did touch on her business at Crimen.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Oh, guys, I seriously need to help.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Usually when I do these, I have somewhat of an
idea of what I'm wearing, but I truly have no idea.
Talia Scaines has been criticized after sharing details about how
she managed her influencing career. The Barlely based YouTuber was
asked to share in an Instagram Q and A behind
the scenes of how her brand deals work. So she
revealed that the bulk of the workfalls on her manager
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and explained that her manager organizes all of her deals, contracts,
and emails. She also said that the deals are struck
two ways, either brands reach out to her or she
reaches out to the brand and they come to an agreement. Now,
I personally thought that this was common knowledge. However, some
people seem to be up in arms. They're saying, oh,
how easy is the life of an influence, so they
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don't even do all that work themselves. I think as
influencing has evolved as a job, I thought it was
quite publicly known that most big time influencers had managers
because a lot of the time, the job of the
influencer is to create that content. They don't necessarily have
all of these relationships with a huge amount of brands.
They go to the manager so that they can secure
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those big brand deals. And also, now that brands expect
so much and you've got to jump through hoops to
ensure that you you are putting you know that your
content is sponsored, There's all these legalities that you have
to adhere to. I think it's obvious that they need
someone in place to help them do all those things.
So is this manager actually uploading Talia's content to Instagram?
Is that what people have a problem with. They're like, oh,
(22:15):
she can't even be bothered to upload it. Well, she says,
once she creates the content, she sends it to a manager,
and then the manager sends it to the brand for approval,
and then it's scheduled in. So a couple of weeks ago,
we were discussing that Sarah's Day was actually copying it
for the reverse that she doesn't seem to have a
middle person that is scheduling in the content, because she
was complaining that she doesn't have enough time to do
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it herself.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I actually think that.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Talia should be applauded for having a manager, because there
are so many influencers who try and manage themselves and
they end up having these really embarrassing gaffs where they
upload say a caption that they haven't read over properly
and it says, you.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Know, insert this caption here. It could have.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Something to do with Tarlia living in Bali, because recently
I discovered that if you start post in content from overseas,
your account can become shadow band because there's something to
do with the VPN. So I wonder when she made
the move, is that when she got the manager to
start uploading all of her content. She did mention in
a YouTube video recently that this person used to manage
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her years ago and she recently got them on board,
so that potentially could be the reason. But I think
people are just looking out for reasons to hate on
influencers at the moment, and maybe Tarlia shouldn't have touched
on how it all works, but I personally found it
pretty interesting because she was talking about how she's got
some ongoing brand deals and the packages that she potentially
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offers them. So she said that sometimes she'll do four
videos for a brand in a space of a month,
and then sometimes she'll have in a monthly hole locked in.
And I actually enjoyed hearing the different packages that were
available because I love looking out for that sort of
stuff in influencers content.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Now it's really juicy.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
It's those boring details that I find so interesting. That's
where we're going to leave things today. If you do
want to hear more content from us, we do drop
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Speaker 2 (24:11):
It is entitled Dear Tattle ghett A life. It's pretty
self explanatory.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
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depth about how we were feeling after the backlash that
we copped over covering the emmylou Tatle life drama. So
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