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Speaker 1 (00:03):
On today's show, Brand Beckham's epic relaunch, another twist in
the high profile food blogger case, and Maddie Jay's latest
pr move. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose
of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week.
I'm Sophie Toofer and I am so sick of The
(00:24):
Daily Mail getting things wrong. Well, apparently you guys are twins,
but then in the article it also said you were
a triplet, so I'm not sure. I feel very forgotten.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
The guy who wrote.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
This article is the same guy who wrote the article
about Chloe Zepp and Mitch Orvil's house selling, and one
who got the numbers, so maybe I don't know if
he needs a bit of will help with that. Well,
for those who haven't read the Daily Mail, you guys
featured in an article off the back of your interview
with Judge Gina on a recent podcast, and you guys
were talking about your weddings, trying to work out who
(00:53):
was in the wrong for picking your wedding dates pretty
close together. However, the snippet they used was talking about
how you guys got in aged on the same day.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, bit old news.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
It was old News and people became obsessed with the
fact that apparently Sophie and I don't look identical. And
because people don't seem to understand what identical triplets are like,
you can actually look different. It's just you have to
have the same blood type, the same eye color, the
same hair color.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Normally, I mean news fich Sovia has dyed her hair.
I hate to break everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, which one's the natural not to defend people who
write comments on the Daily Mail. But they actually couldn't
have picked two photos where we did look more different,
like I thought we looked quite different in the photos
as well. Yeah, but I want to do a test
to show some of these Daily Mail people. I think
we should go down and see if we can get
mistaken for one another, like you know, sometimes I've seen
(01:43):
triplets before. Do a Matt Donald's run where they'll drive
one after the other after the other to see the
person's action.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Or swap seats. Actually, no, we need to swap seats.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I mean, but this happens to us daily, like we
work together and people get us.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Confused all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Also, I know, well it also happens at house inspections,
so so Sophie is still looking for a house, and
we'll come along to have a look and you'll be
inside and then they'll be like, hang on, won't you
just here? Well, the guy who sold the house to
Dale and I he was at this auction you're at, Sophie,
and he goes, oh, hi, Amy.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Firstly, how the hell did he actually remember my name?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
That's impressive, or you gave him a really big game she.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Seemed to remember you.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Doesn't matter what kind of skit that I'm doing, I
think there's always going to be some person who interprets
it the wrong way. On Monday, MoMA MIA dropped its
much anticipated two part interview with Maddie Jay and Laura Byrne.
The episode came a week after Clementine Ford called out
the former Bachelor for a parenting video she said promoted
(02:40):
retro sexist stereotypes. The feminist writer went on to condemn
women's media publication Mom and MIA for supporting the Instagram video.
Now So, when Mia announced the episode last week, Clementine
wasn't happy. No. She ended up sharing a post that
said the gang's got to stick together, and she continued
saying the effort being put in to make sure everyone
one knows Maddie Johnson.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Is a great guy, is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Feels like it would have been easier to acknowledge it
was a bad take, but I guess that takes a
kind of reflection that's beyond the prom committee. Now, Mia
did end up turning comments off her posts, with some
questioning the timing of the episode and accusing her of
staring upop for downloads. I was really looking forward to
hearing this interview because all this shit storm had been
(03:24):
going on, and I was like, are they actually going
to address everything that's gone down? And it was interesting
because they broke the episode up into two parts, as
you said, and Mia Friedman, the host, left everyone on
a cliffhanger in episode one when in the last couple
of minutes of the episode, she brought up whether people
thought Mattie Jay's comedy videos about gender roles was funny
and if people actually got it, And in order to
(03:47):
hear Maddie Jay's response about the controversy, you had to
subscribe to episode two. It's a really great business move,
but I wonder how many people were pissed off because
I actually don't have a Mama MIA's subscription.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I know you do, so yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Was like, fuck, I've listened to this whole thing, and
I actually haven't heard what I came here to listen to. See.
Business Wise, yes, obviously they're going to generate more subscribers
by doing it that way, but strategically, I don't think
it's a good look for Mamma Mia because the sort
of argument that a lot of people had when defending
Mama Mia or Maddie J and Laura was oh, well,
Clementine's just doing all of this so that she can
(04:23):
sell a book. But then by putting out an episode
where the only way you can listen to their defense
is by paying for a subscription, that's where you're falling
into sort of the same category. And I don't really
think it was helpful for Mattie J, because I assume
he agreed to be interviewed as a PR stunt to
change his image. However, when the message is put behind
(04:43):
a paywall, not everyone's going to pay to listen to it.
I still think the first episode would have done a
lot for their branding, though, because they spent the whole
fifty minutes basically giving a great rapp as.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
To what a great dad Maddy j Is.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
They also detailed Maddie, j and Laura's upbringing in single
parent house hoolds and explained how tough it was for
them growing up. I can totally see why you would
want to bring that up, though, because I think from
their end, they're saying that everyone's looking at their life
now and assuming that they had a specific type of childhood.
So when you have actually struggled and people don't know
about that struggle, I can totally see why they wanted
(05:18):
to bring it up. But Clementine Ford was really painting
them as these wealthy influences that don't that are entitled
and don't need people to feel sorry for them, So
I suppose they wanted to be like, well, we have
had a tough life. The thing is this episode, it
kind of came across as everyone trying to prove what
a good dad Maddie is, and I don't think there
(05:39):
was a question mark over it. The question mark over
it was was this joke sexist? And should we not
be putting this type of content out? And they didn't
really address it. It seemed more like they were trying
to prove a point that didn't need to be proved
for those who don't have a Muma mea subscription. Let's
get into what was actually said in the second episode.
So it surprised me. It was only thirteen minutes long,
(05:59):
and it started with Meat outlining the content of the video.
The fact that it was only thirteen minutes long makes
me think that they just did the full interview and
left the question that everyone wanted to hear the answer to,
and then just goes, oh, we'll just clip that into
another episode. Well, Matt did discuss how when he first
put out the video, initially it was really well received
and then all of a sudden, the pendulum started to
(06:20):
swing and he started getting negative comments. And he said
in the interview, people saw it as though I was saying,
it's okay, how funny is this that women are so
silly and they work so hard and men are superior
and are able to display willful incompetence and it's fine,
which is not at all what I was trying to say. People,
I think were taking out that frustration from their own
experience on me.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Mia then asked Matty Jay what he was trying to
say through the video, and he said, I was trying
to say that it's a perfect example of how detrimental
it can be when a guy doesn't pull his weight.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Do we buy that?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
To me, it seems like they've had a whole week
to rephrase what the video was actually.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Meant to say.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Usually, you are making a satirical video and you're trying
to make a point, you might spell it out more
in the caption. I just think it would have been
better if he was honest and said, look, I was
actually poking fun at myself and other dads out there,
because I don't think anyone actually would have watched that
video and thought, oh, that's just Maddie Jay trying to
point out an example of how.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Documented across like that.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Though yeah, it didn't come across that he's trying to
make a statement about feminism and domestic duties and inequality
in the householder. Because if that was the point, surely
they would have made it immediately. And I think that
it would have been beneficial to say, totally get where
Clementine Ford is coming from and actually acknowledge her point
of view in the discussion, because it seems like they
(07:42):
were doing a lot of pussy footing around not actually
saying what the go was like. They didn't really, they
didn't even mention Clementine's name.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Nor that she had taken a potshot at Mum and Mia.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
That was the weirdest thing during this whole interview. Clementine
Ford's name was not mentioned once, and Laura even said, oh,
I'm not going to name names, but then went into something.
And I just found it really awkward because I would
have assumed that Mia would have brought her involvement into
the story into it and explained, you know, maybe even
made a joke, Oh, it's awkward that we're all here
because we're apparently part of this group. Well, I understand
(08:13):
that Clementine Ford kind of inserted mea into the narrative,
but she is really playing into it by then having
them on her podcast. So I think, as a listener,
and I do love the MMA Mia podcast, I would
have appreciated that transparency to say, look, I was you know,
I had a potshot made against me.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
This is our relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Because in the first episode, Mia was speaking to Laura
about the rise of Life on Cut and she said
when they started out, she actually said, oh, come over
to Mama Mia. You don't want to be producing it independently.
You don't make any money off independent podcasts. It was
quite evident during this interview just how close Laura and
MIA's relationship is, because when Laura was asked about how
(08:54):
she responds to criticism, Laura said that usually she likes
to take a leaf out of MEA's book and ignore
all these sorts of things. And I thought it was
quite an ironic comment to make that they're ignoring it,
and they didn't, you know, hit back at people, because
Laura did put out an Instagram story which she subsequently deleted.
And also they are appearing on a podcast a week
later giving their.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Side of things.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, because it's not like they were promoting anything. It
wasn't like they tried to hide it. Oh, and the
timing was so obvious, like it was like we've called
an emergency interview.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Basically.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
There was a lot of talk about outrage culture as well,
and Laura said that at the moment, the algorithm rewards
outrage and not to name names, but anyone who uses
this tactic to get really angry about something like an
injustice is able to grow their following. There were a
few times that they referred to what happened to them
as an injustice. The reality is that everyone is talking
about it to get some kind of game. I mean,
(09:46):
we're talking about it because people want to hear about it,
and obviously we want to attract listeners to our podcast
as well. Mum and Mia know that people want to
hear Maddie and Laura's side, Clementine's talking about it because
people want to engage with it. Everyone's getting something out
economy at the moment. And the thing is, though, this
story would have died last week if Maddie Jay and
(10:07):
Laura hadn't decided to appear.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
On Mum and mea So it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Both camps seem to be being like, oh, this person's
using it for money. This person's like, well, everyone in
a sense is using it for eyeballs and the attention economy.
It was interesting in this episode because they also went
into sort of their strategy. So I always love hearing
about what's gone on behind the scenes when a shit
storm like this blows up. And Maddie Jay said that
(10:32):
when all the negative comments started flowing in, he was
actually on a bus with his kids to the aquarium
and he ran Laura asking her.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
What to do.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I do really feel for Maddie in this instance, because
I know what it feels like, and we all do
to be involved in some sort of online drama and you,
just from my perspective, you get this cold sweat going
and everything in your world is just orbiting around this drama, and.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You're like, what do I do?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
And you have to act so quickly, and that's why
sometimes you do end up putting out things that you're like, oh,
I shouldn't have said that. I also feel for Laura
because sometimes I think it's harder when something happens to
someone you love. Even this week, we had this weird
Daily Mail article come out about our engagement and proposals,
and there was a photo of our partners and there
were a couple of jerks in the comment section writing
(11:19):
nasty things about their appearance, and I just saw red
and I just thought, well, I can see why Laura
did want to jump on the defense and say something, Oh.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's admirable.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And one really good thing that came out of the
Mum and mea interview was my respect has grown even
more for Laura Burn hearing about her view on motherhood
and the workforce, because I think there are a lot
of people like we're obviously in an age group where
we're thinking of having children, and to hear that her
career has been able to go on and she has
got that support from matt was really lovely to hear.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And that's why.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
They've done the interview. Yeah, because it's been a perfect
PR exercise for them. It's been a good PR exercise
for Mum and mea because I'm sure that a few
more people are signed up to their subscription. And it's
clear that despite the fact that Mia didn't say where
she stood on the issue or what she thought of
the video, it's clear that she is a huge supporter
of Matti J because she said a number of times
(12:10):
that she thinks what he's doing for dads is fantastic.
And the episode was also used to promote Mattie Jay's
parenting podcast. In saying that as much as I do
really respect me A Freedman and love her podcast, I
was disappointed that she didn't give her opinion on the
video or the fallout, not even her opinion, but asked
the tough question. Yeah. I understand that she was reluctant
(12:32):
to do so because she probably didn't want to turn
it into a slinging match. I would have just loved
to hear her take on the video though, because she's
so well educated on feminist matters, and I would have
liked to hear her take on domestic.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Inequality because it's something that they.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Talk about a lot on their podcast, and I wanted
to hear why in this case she was supportive of
Matty Jay, and also on their podcast they talk a
lot about respectfully disagreeing, so I you know, I think
Clementine Ford made the point this isn't about ten wearing
the people down, it's just actually talking about the issue,
and this would have been a great opportunity for me
(13:06):
to say, oh, actually, like, I see what Clementine was saying,
but I still can support you. Yeah. I also thought
it would have been a better move if they'd had
someone else interview Laura and Maddie j particularly if Mea
Friedman wasn't going to give her view on the matter,
because quite often on No Filter she does have a
number of other journalists feel in and I think it
(13:27):
would have made it less personal. Yeah, I would have
liked to hear Holly Wayne Rights.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yes, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I love Holly Wayne Right, and she always has the
best takes on domestic duties because primarily her husband does
a lot of the labor there, and she.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Is so strong on that topic.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I also didn't really feel like much reflection had happened.
There was a lot of discussion about this injustice on them,
and I would have almost preferred for them to reflect
and say, well, we could have handled it better and
we're sorry for anyone who did take offense to this video,
because that was not our intention at all at the
time of recording. Clementine Ford hasn't responded. I am interested
(14:04):
to see if she will. She is in the middle
of a book tour at the moment, so she's a
busy woman.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Every football fan. I'm just sanging this song. Posh Bias
takes it up. The excuse my language, not very lady like,
but seventy five thousand people singing that. I mean, it's embarrassing.
It's hurtful. I remember sitting down and the lady next
to me, she turned to me. She didn't know what
(14:32):
to say.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
She said, you're a polo brand.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Beckham is back thanks to the new Netflix docu series
called Beckham. The four part series dropped on Wednesday and
explores football with David Beckham's career and private life, including
his marriage.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
To Victoria Beckham.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I feel like everyone is falling in love with this
couple again. I was obsessed with this docu series, and
it's not just sports fans either. I initially thought this
was a bit of a pop culture. I was trying
to twist Reese's arm be like, can we watch it?
And then he was like, the joke's on you. It's
all about sport.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
But I love it.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I found all of those elements about his career so
fascinating because I didn't know that it wasn't his decision
to leave Manchester United, and the fact that he was
played there as a fifteen year old boy and then
basically his family there turned their back on him at
twenty seven. That would have been such a huge and
upsetting part.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Of his life.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
My favorite part of the docco was the early half
where they were talking about how much money he would
spend and how basically the money would just come straight
out of his paycheck and he buys something and one
of the teammates said he bought a pen, Like who
buys an expensive pad? Yeah? Well, I think that doco
has been so popular because we're seeing this trend of
(15:45):
trying to reframe the treatment of celebrities from the nineties
and early two thousands. We saw that with the recent
Britney Spears doco. Normally it has been focused on women,
but it was interesting to focus on David and Victoria Beckham,
of course, because I always thought that David Beckham was
a bit of a golden child with the media. I mean,
I know they had the alleged cheating scandals, but I
(16:06):
didn't realize he was such a divisive figure in soccer.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
That's what made me.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
So angry is how flippant the soccer fans were, and
also how terrible the UK press is.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
The way that they.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Treated him was absolutely a poll And the incident you're
referring to is in the nineteen ninety eight World Cup,
and this is when David was of course playing for
England and he ended up being red carded after some
guy pushed him in the back and he kind of retaliated.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
With a small kick. I don't even think he ends
up really kidding.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
He was on the ground and his legs sort of
kicked up. He didn't even make contact. They interviewed the
player afterwards as in like twenty years on and he said, yeah,
I didn't think that was fair. At the West bit
was that the England manager, Glenn Hoddle, ended up blaming
David Beckham for England losing and getting out of the
World Cup. He said in an interview that Beckham had
cost England the match, and this in turn ended up
(16:56):
meaning that he was getting death threats. They even had
an epigy of him hanging from a building it was discussing.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I couldn't believe.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I mean, I know English people love soccer, but to
turn on one of your own like that, it was disgusting.
And I think this was a big part of the
appeal of this doco and also of the Beckhams, because
while they were victims in a sense, they didn't center
themselves as victims. They didn't complain, they didn't blame people.
I mean, when David was talking about the red card incident,
(17:24):
he did show a lot of remorse and he said
his biggest concern was hurting his parents. So he said
it brought a lot of attention that I would never
wish on anyone, let alone my parents. And I can't
forgive myself. I was the one who made this mistake.
David Beckham just also comes across as a pretty straightforward,
lovely guy. And what people really liked in this doco
is that you could see the internal struggle he has,
(17:46):
which is quite interesting because he's obviously had this incredible
career and life, but you get this glimpse of his
addictive personality and OCD. And throughout this doco they always
show him obsessively cleaning and organizing his wardrobe, and at
one point he even talks about how each night he
goes and does a clean up around the kitchen and
around the lound room and he trims the candle wicks
(18:09):
and cleans out you know when candles get the little
black around them from the smoke.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
He goes as far as cleaning that, yeah, like torture.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I know. Even when he was showing off his wardrobe
and was like, hang on, someone's been in here. What
about when Posh had left something out? He's like, yeah,
she've got this, you know, and you could just tell
that she had she was over it, like she had
it up. It is interesting because the director, Fisher Stevens,
he originally turned down the doco because he couldn't see
the struggle in the Beckham's life. However, he soon discovered
(18:39):
that this was it. He said, there's a struggle inside
of this man, even though he presumably has everything and
is one of the best looking dudes you've ever seen.
I think there's a real inner turmoil to him. That
is the ticking clock of our film. On the topic
of him being a very good looking man, I need
to agree he is stunning at every age. Like he
not only looked amazing at forty seven, but some of
(19:02):
those old clips.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I was like, oh my god, the blond eer.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Sophie and I was sending each other photos of David
at Manu and like it was so funny because Day
was like, can I weraw your phone?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I was thinking, fuck, my whole.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Google search is just like David Beckham young. I couldn't
get over the blonde hair and every style he had
and it looked good. I wasn't a fan of the
shaved hair. He looked like a model with the shaved head.
At first, I was like, what did he do? And
then they showed all those photo shoots with him with
the shaved head, and I was like, nah, that looks
good too. I loved how they kept showing girls in
the crowd taking photos and that their old school cameras.
(19:34):
You imagine if David Beckham was in his twenties now,
how many TikTok pages would be dedicated to him.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
They probably still are at the.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Moment, I need to know what was your favorite David
Beckham hairstyle. I feel like there's a few, but the
ultimate one has to be I think it was in
ninety seven where he had the highlights and it was
sort of flicked back the floppy hair.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I think that was.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
When he did that his first press conference when he'd
signed on to that brand, and he just looked just
like such a model.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Last that star quality like that was so evident.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I love how Posh always had to do his hair
like their son had just been born and he was
going down to do the presser and she's like.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Can you fix my hair?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
What about when she admitted that she had sort of
gone along to the game to have it of a stalk.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I loved how open.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
She was and it was so cute because I couldn't
believe there had been that moment that he'd seen her
on TV and gone I'm going to marry her. Yeah,
that was the biggest takeaway For me of this documentary though,
it was how in love and in awe of each
other they were, and also the fact that they both
said that they grew up with not many friends in
the friendship circle, and it was clear that they were
(20:35):
one another's support and it was clear that they were
in one of those early relationships where you just sort
of dump everyone and that person's your whole world. Oh
the fact that he would drive for hours and hours
to see her for like twenty minutes. I think it
is a real testament to the Beckhams how many people
actually put up their hand to be interviewed on this doco,
because while they might not have had many friends growing up,
(20:56):
they certainly have a lot of famous friends now. We
did see Tom Cruise and Will Smith hold a welcome
party when Beckham went over to la And while there
were the people that you'd expect, like David's family and
obviously Victoria Beckham, there were a few surprises like Anna
Wintor popping up and she was there on the doco
to explain the cultural impact of Posh and Becks. It
(21:17):
was disappointing to see that Glenn Hoddle didn't actually make
it on the doco. Apparently the director asked him many
times if he would be on it, but he just
kept saying no. It was brave of Sir Alex Ferguson
to appear because he wouldn't be a very popular guy.
He was the one that kicked the boot that hit
Beckham in the face.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I love how everyone's like he could never done that again.
It was like the one in a chance.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I did love how the Manchester United form a receptionist.
She became the breakout star of the doco series, so
she was in charge of dealing with all of Beckham's
fan mail, and she spoke about how women would send
in their underpants and it was quite hilarious. She said,
it's not nice, is it sending underwear to a boy?
I put them to one side and didn't reply.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I love how she always had these points. She's like,
I'm not going to go into that. I say that she'd.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Be such a good employee, just keeping everything secret. I
think the most viral parts of this documentary, and some
of my favorite parts came from.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Victoria Beckham's interviews.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I love when she was talking about how the fans
would chant stuff about her. Oh, and it was Victoria
takes it up the ass and she said, I mean,
I'm sitting there and the woman next to me doesn't
know what to say, so she asked me if I
want to polo.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
It was fucking classic. She I love her.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
She is an icons She's so just sure of herself
and funny.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, she's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I also loved David's response to that, and he's like,
obviously thought it was quite funny. Well, I suppose the
other viral moment that everyone's talking about is when Posh
and Beck's were arguing about their working class background. So
Victoria was trying to pass herself off as working class
and David interrupted the interview and was like, tell her
what type of car your dad drove your school?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
So I ended up she was driven to school in
a roles.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I did some digging because her name is obviously Posh Spice,
So it turns out that she comes from a nouveau
Risch family, so her parents had an electronics company that
boomed in the eighties, so it's not like she grew
up with a lot of wealth and she got the
name Posh Spice because she was posher than the others,
but not really Posh.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But she was born in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Isn't she the same age as David Beckham, so she would.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Have grown up with that wealth.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, but it's not old money, and I think that's
quite important in England. I also love the moment where
Victoria was talking about how she was just about to
give birth to their third child and she was in
hospital and David said, sorry, I can't actually make it.
I'm having a photo with Jennifer Lopez and also Beyonce.
And the next day they had this front page spread
(23:45):
of the photo and it said what would Posh think?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And she said, what would I think? I was fucking furious.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Now, while this docco has been heavily praised, there is
some criticism regarding the way the alleged affair was discussed.
So one publication has criticized the director, Fisher Stevens for
not directly asking David whether he had an affair with
Rebecca Loose. So, for those who haven't seen the doco,
the affair is framed as a tabloid scandal, but neither
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David or Victoria directly acknowledged the affair or deny it.
They also don't mention Rebecca's name anywhere during the documentary,
because I was really waiting for this part of the
documentary to.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Come up, and I thought, oh is that Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Well, Fisher was asked about it and he says it
wasn't pleasant to discuss, but they did get into it,
and he chose to approach it by asking how their
marriage stayed together. I mean, to me, I would have
liked it to be further discussed. I know it is
a touchy subject, but it was meant to be a
tell all docucers.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
That's thought.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
They kind of implied that it had happened, especially when
Victorias said, you know, we were always a team and
then suddenly when he went to Madrid, we weren't.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
A team anymore, and that was more so.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I felt like she was referring to after the effair.
But even David said, it's our personal life. I don't
want to go into it. There was a lot of
discussion circling around the issue, but no one actually said
her name. And I feel like every other scandal they
went in depth about it. You've got to remember that
they've got a family who were going to watch that show.
I think that you then obviously not wanting to dig
(25:17):
up the past trauma. Again, it is probably a criticism
to the director of this, but you can only work
with what they're willing.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
To give you.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Well, it did turn out that the docu series was
co produced by Beckham's own media company, Studio ninety nine,
so I feel like that would have had a little
bit to do with it. I mean, critics are saying
that this doco is a perfectly crafted piece of pr
for the Beckhams, and I tend to agree. I mean,
it's not actually the first time that we've seen an
inside glimpse into their lives. Back in two thousand and seven,
(25:45):
the couple actually appeared in an hour long NBC special
called Victoria Beckham Coming to America, and this show followed
the family's move to California after David got signed to
La Galaxy, and it was meant to be a six
part series, but it did get condensed down to one special. However,
you can find all of the episodes on YouTube, which
is amazing. But I feel like Posh was very different
(26:08):
on this series, Like you saw the fun side of her,
but a lot of people in America didn't get it.
So one US critic described it as an orgy of
self indulgence so out of whack with reality that you
sit there slapjawed at the goal of these people who
think we're that stupid. Victoria did say that even watching
back the clips for the documentary, she didn't recognize herself
(26:29):
in a lot of them. Yeah, but during that time,
so you've got to remember that that's when they were
producing like The Simple Life and Jessica Simpson. It was
like it was cool to be a bit ditzy and stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
They weren't. She wasn't ditsy.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I think that people just didn't get her humor, Like
the UK humor wasn't appreciated by the US audience because
there were scenes where she met up with Perez Hilton
and she challenged him over an article that he had
written saying that she was a robot with big boobs,
and she actually stood in front of him and said,
they're not even that big. She also said that she
wasn't going to eat a cookie that he bought her
(27:03):
because she couldn't be seen to be eating in public.
This documentary, it seems to have wet everyone's appetites for
more about the Beckhams, like it just wasn't enough as
you touched on Kate, there were so many things that
were sort of just mentioned, but they didn't go into
enough detail, which I really wanted. So we are working
on a deep dive into David Beckham and Victoria Beckham.
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A court dispute involving three food bloggers, a Chinese restaurant,
and a lobster is back in the headlines. We covered
the story a couple of months ago on the podcast,
but to bring you up to speed, three food bloggers
Julie and Belinda Newen and Jennifer Doe are suing Chinese
restaurant Silver Pearl for defamation. So it all kicked off
on Christmas Date twenty twenty, when the food bloggers allegedly
(28:48):
refuse to pay for their lobster dinner after claiming they'd
fallen ill. Now, the restaurant branded them as fraudulent diners
on their Instagram account, which has led to the food
bloggers suing for defamation in the Federal core. Now, recent
court documents obtained by news dot com reveal a different
picture of the alleged events. So in it, the women
claim that their lives had been ruined over a meal
(29:09):
they never ate. So the women say they had done
about one hundred restaurant reviews in exchange for meals at
other venues, but on this occasion they attended Silver Pearl
as regular customers. Now. Shortly after arriving, Belinda and Julie
say they took photos near the Christmas display before coming
back to the table, where their mum's partner said he
sampled the food a few times and it smelt really off.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
He said it tasted bitter and he didn't feel good.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
The Food Bloggers alleged that they didn't want to risk it,
so they called over the manager to explain that the
food smelt off. They said that the manager said it
was fresh and they would never do that now. After this,
they alleged that an argument broke out and the group left,
leaving thirty dollars on the.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Table for the wine but not paying for the food. Now.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
According to the Food bloggers mum's partner's evidence in court,
he said he I felt a little funny in his stomach,
but not too bad at this time, and ate some
of the lobster, but not as much as he normally would.
It does sound quite funny because they did end up
going to another lobster restaurant. It reminds me on The
Simpsons when Homer just wanted all you can eat seafood
(30:15):
and went fishing. However, it was Christmas Day, so that
kind of puts it more into perspective, like, if you're
eating on Christmas, you're eating a lot, and if you
don't get one Christmas dinner, you're gonna go to another restaurant. Well,
that's why they're so eager to say that they didn't
actually eat any of the food, because if the food
was actually bad and they were sick from it, they
then wouldn't go to another lobster restaurant. And the food
(30:38):
bloggers said that the fallout from Silver Pearl's social media
posts has been so bad that they've been fearing for
their own safety because the online abuse has actually turned
into real life abuse out in public. And Belinda alleges
that she received private messages that were aggressive and threatening
and that people in the Vietnamese community were saying they
had disowned her. I hardly think drawing more attention to
(31:00):
this matter by taking it to court is actually reducing
that abuse, though I feel like people would have seen
the social media post and gotten over it pretty quickly.
I mean, it was in December twenty twenty. Yeah, but
at the same time they're trying to clear their names.
I can understand wanting to trun clear your name for
something that you didn't do. Because she said that when
she's out in public, people point at her, laugh and
(31:21):
call her a scammer, and she said that it also
made her lose her desire to work in law and
also the corporate world.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
It's a lot of fuss over a dinner, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Also it makes sense that they have a background in
law because maybe they saw this situation thought, oh, we've
got you here. Off the back of this story, the
Daily Telegraph is reporting that insurance companies are now creating
bespoke policies to protect food bloggers.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
From legal action.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
There've been really that many food bloggers out there that
would be needing this. I feel like food bloggers became
a bit irrelevant in recent years, but now because.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Of TikTok, they've become bigger.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
They're now being known as FOODI influences, and they'll create
little snapshots of reviews. And the thing that's different now
is that they're actually giving their honest opinion, whereas, like
in twenty sixteen, we used to host these events called
eaton Tweet for another PFM I worked out and basically
all of the people would just give a raving review just.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
To get a free meal.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
But now a lot of these food influencers know that
to get a proper following, they need their followers to
actually trust what they're saying and know that they're on points.
So if they go to a restaurant and say, oh,
well this was shit, but this person on line set
it was great. And I also think a lot of
businesses don't want to pay food bloggers to come in
and just give a fake opinion. Because I've got a
friend who runs a business here, it's a food business,
(32:35):
and he said that he has a lot of people
messaging him saying.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Oh, I'll come in and I'll do a review.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
And he said, why would I want you to say
that another place in Adelaide is amazing, that's worse than
my place, and that, you know, because then people don't
trust what they're saying. It's a real gamble for these restaurants. Though.
I saw just the other day this Assai Bowl place
that Sammy Robinson goes to all the time, they put
up a post saying, oh my God, look at the
(33:00):
huge response we have from someone like Sammy Robbinson just
sharing about us, and they shared a screenshot of all
of the followers that were popping up. So, if someone
gives a favorable reviews, yeah, genuine, it's going to be
huge for your business. But alternatively, if you get a
negative review, you are going to be in so much
trouble and it's going to really impact your business. And
that's why some of these restaurants are seeking legal action
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over what they may deem to be unflattering or untrue
assessments of their restaurants. Well insurance companies are saying that
influencers are more likely to be sued than traditional journalists.
And if you think about it, journalists work normally for
big organizations and they have lawyers in house that can
protect them. But with an influencer, they have built their
brand on their own. They don't normally have a big
(33:44):
team behind them. I mean, I know, working in newsrooms,
you guys would be familiar with it.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
If there is a story that's a little.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Bit controversial, they'll run it past the lawyers and make
sure that what they're reporting is fine.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I mean, I know when I was working at today tonight.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
There was this view that they could basically say whatever
they wanted because most of the people who were in
the stories wouldn't have the means to sue a large
media organization, which is terrible, but it's it's true, you know.
And a restaurant isn't going to go out and sue
a Daily Telegraph journalist, isn't it because they're going to
be scared and they're going to think we're going to
waste a lot of money. But whereas influencers, they probably think, oh,
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how much money do they really have?
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Little I have.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Now that's all we've got time for today. Thank you
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Speaker 2 (34:36):
We pay respect to elders past and present.
On today's show, Brand Beckham's epic relaunch, another twist in
the high profile food blogger case, and Maddie Jay's latest
pr move. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose
of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week.
I'm Sophie Toofer and I am so sick of The
(00:24):
Daily Mail getting things wrong. Well, apparently you guys are twins,
but then in the article it also said you were
a triplet, so I'm not sure. I feel very forgotten.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
The guy who wrote.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
This article is the same guy who wrote the article
about Chloe Zepp and Mitch Orvil's house selling, and one
who got the numbers, so maybe I don't know if
he needs a bit of will help with that. Well,
for those who haven't read the Daily Mail, you guys
featured in an article off the back of your interview
with Judge Gina on a recent podcast, and you guys
were talking about your weddings, trying to work out who
(00:53):
was in the wrong for picking your wedding dates pretty
close together. However, the snippet they used was talking about
how you guys got in aged on the same day.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, bit old news.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
It was old News and people became obsessed with the
fact that apparently Sophie and I don't look identical. And
because people don't seem to understand what identical triplets are like,
you can actually look different. It's just you have to
have the same blood type, the same eye color, the
same hair color.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Normally, I mean news fich Sovia has dyed her hair.
I hate to break everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, which one's the natural not to defend people who
write comments on the Daily Mail. But they actually couldn't
have picked two photos where we did look more different,
like I thought we looked quite different in the photos
as well. Yeah, but I want to do a test
to show some of these Daily Mail people. I think
we should go down and see if we can get
mistaken for one another, like you know, sometimes I've seen
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triplets before. Do a Matt Donald's run where they'll drive
one after the other after the other to see the
person's action.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Or swap seats. Actually, no, we need to swap seats.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I mean, but this happens to us daily, like we
work together and people get us.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Confused all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Also, I know, well it also happens at house inspections,
so so Sophie is still looking for a house, and
we'll come along to have a look and you'll be
inside and then they'll be like, hang on, won't you
just here? Well, the guy who sold the house to
Dale and I he was at this auction you're at, Sophie,
and he goes, oh, hi, Amy.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Firstly, how the hell did he actually remember my name?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
That's impressive, or you gave him a really big game she.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Seemed to remember you.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Doesn't matter what kind of skit that I'm doing, I
think there's always going to be some person who interprets
it the wrong way. On Monday, MoMA MIA dropped its
much anticipated two part interview with Maddie Jay and Laura Byrne.
The episode came a week after Clementine Ford called out
the former Bachelor for a parenting video she said promoted
(02:40):
retro sexist stereotypes. The feminist writer went on to condemn
women's media publication Mom and MIA for supporting the Instagram video.
Now So, when Mia announced the episode last week, Clementine
wasn't happy. No. She ended up sharing a post that
said the gang's got to stick together, and she continued
saying the effort being put in to make sure everyone
one knows Maddie Johnson.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Is a great guy, is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Feels like it would have been easier to acknowledge it
was a bad take, but I guess that takes a
kind of reflection that's beyond the prom committee. Now, Mia
did end up turning comments off her posts, with some
questioning the timing of the episode and accusing her of
staring upop for downloads. I was really looking forward to
hearing this interview because all this shit storm had been
(03:24):
going on, and I was like, are they actually going
to address everything that's gone down? And it was interesting
because they broke the episode up into two parts, as
you said, and Mia Friedman, the host, left everyone on
a cliffhanger in episode one when in the last couple
of minutes of the episode, she brought up whether people
thought Mattie Jay's comedy videos about gender roles was funny
and if people actually got it, And in order to
(03:47):
hear Maddie Jay's response about the controversy, you had to
subscribe to episode two. It's a really great business move,
but I wonder how many people were pissed off because
I actually don't have a Mama MIA's subscription.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I know you do, so yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Was like, fuck, I've listened to this whole thing, and
I actually haven't heard what I came here to listen to. See.
Business Wise, yes, obviously they're going to generate more subscribers
by doing it that way, but strategically, I don't think
it's a good look for Mamma Mia because the sort
of argument that a lot of people had when defending
Mama Mia or Maddie J and Laura was oh, well,
Clementine's just doing all of this so that she can
(04:23):
sell a book. But then by putting out an episode
where the only way you can listen to their defense
is by paying for a subscription, that's where you're falling
into sort of the same category. And I don't really
think it was helpful for Mattie J, because I assume
he agreed to be interviewed as a PR stunt to
change his image. However, when the message is put behind
(04:43):
a paywall, not everyone's going to pay to listen to it.
I still think the first episode would have done a
lot for their branding, though, because they spent the whole
fifty minutes basically giving a great rapp as.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
To what a great dad Maddy j Is.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
They also detailed Maddie, j and Laura's upbringing in single
parent house hoolds and explained how tough it was for
them growing up. I can totally see why you would
want to bring that up, though, because I think from
their end, they're saying that everyone's looking at their life
now and assuming that they had a specific type of childhood.
So when you have actually struggled and people don't know
about that struggle, I can totally see why they wanted
(05:18):
to bring it up. But Clementine Ford was really painting
them as these wealthy influences that don't that are entitled
and don't need people to feel sorry for them, So
I suppose they wanted to be like, well, we have
had a tough life. The thing is this episode, it
kind of came across as everyone trying to prove what
a good dad Maddie is, and I don't think there
(05:39):
was a question mark over it. The question mark over
it was was this joke sexist? And should we not
be putting this type of content out? And they didn't
really address it. It seemed more like they were trying
to prove a point that didn't need to be proved
for those who don't have a Muma mea subscription. Let's
get into what was actually said in the second episode.
So it surprised me. It was only thirteen minutes long,
(05:59):
and it started with Meat outlining the content of the video.
The fact that it was only thirteen minutes long makes
me think that they just did the full interview and
left the question that everyone wanted to hear the answer to,
and then just goes, oh, we'll just clip that into
another episode. Well, Matt did discuss how when he first
put out the video, initially it was really well received
and then all of a sudden, the pendulum started to
(06:20):
swing and he started getting negative comments. And he said
in the interview, people saw it as though I was saying,
it's okay, how funny is this that women are so
silly and they work so hard and men are superior
and are able to display willful incompetence and it's fine,
which is not at all what I was trying to say. People,
I think were taking out that frustration from their own
experience on me.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Mia then asked Matty Jay what he was trying to
say through the video, and he said, I was trying
to say that it's a perfect example of how detrimental
it can be when a guy doesn't pull his weight.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Do we buy that?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
To me, it seems like they've had a whole week
to rephrase what the video was actually.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Meant to say.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Usually, you are making a satirical video and you're trying
to make a point, you might spell it out more
in the caption. I just think it would have been
better if he was honest and said, look, I was
actually poking fun at myself and other dads out there,
because I don't think anyone actually would have watched that
video and thought, oh, that's just Maddie Jay trying to
point out an example of how.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Documented across like that.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Though yeah, it didn't come across that he's trying to
make a statement about feminism and domestic duties and inequality
in the householder. Because if that was the point, surely
they would have made it immediately. And I think that
it would have been beneficial to say, totally get where
Clementine Ford is coming from and actually acknowledge her point
of view in the discussion, because it seems like they
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were doing a lot of pussy footing around not actually
saying what the go was like. They didn't really, they
didn't even mention Clementine's name.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Nor that she had taken a potshot at Mum and Mia.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
That was the weirdest thing during this whole interview. Clementine
Ford's name was not mentioned once, and Laura even said, oh,
I'm not going to name names, but then went into something.
And I just found it really awkward because I would
have assumed that Mia would have brought her involvement into
the story into it and explained, you know, maybe even
made a joke, Oh, it's awkward that we're all here
because we're apparently part of this group. Well, I understand
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that Clementine Ford kind of inserted mea into the narrative,
but she is really playing into it by then having
them on her podcast. So I think, as a listener,
and I do love the MMA Mia podcast, I would
have appreciated that transparency to say, look, I was you know,
I had a potshot made against me.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
This is our relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Because in the first episode, Mia was speaking to Laura
about the rise of Life on Cut and she said
when they started out, she actually said, oh, come over
to Mama Mia. You don't want to be producing it independently.
You don't make any money off independent podcasts. It was
quite evident during this interview just how close Laura and
MIA's relationship is, because when Laura was asked about how
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she responds to criticism, Laura said that usually she likes
to take a leaf out of MEA's book and ignore
all these sorts of things. And I thought it was
quite an ironic comment to make that they're ignoring it,
and they didn't, you know, hit back at people, because
Laura did put out an Instagram story which she subsequently deleted.
And also they are appearing on a podcast a week
later giving their.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Side of things.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, because it's not like they were promoting anything. It
wasn't like they tried to hide it. Oh, and the
timing was so obvious, like it was like we've called
an emergency interview.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Basically.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
There was a lot of talk about outrage culture as well,
and Laura said that at the moment, the algorithm rewards
outrage and not to name names, but anyone who uses
this tactic to get really angry about something like an
injustice is able to grow their following. There were a
few times that they referred to what happened to them
as an injustice. The reality is that everyone is talking
about it to get some kind of game. I mean,
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we're talking about it because people want to hear about it,
and obviously we want to attract listeners to our podcast
as well. Mum and Mia know that people want to
hear Maddie and Laura's side, Clementine's talking about it because
people want to engage with it. Everyone's getting something out
economy at the moment. And the thing is, though, this
story would have died last week if Maddie Jay and
(10:07):
Laura hadn't decided to appear.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
On Mum and mea So it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Both camps seem to be being like, oh, this person's
using it for money. This person's like, well, everyone in
a sense is using it for eyeballs and the attention economy.
It was interesting in this episode because they also went
into sort of their strategy. So I always love hearing
about what's gone on behind the scenes when a shit
storm like this blows up. And Maddie Jay said that
(10:32):
when all the negative comments started flowing in, he was
actually on a bus with his kids to the aquarium
and he ran Laura asking her.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
What to do.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I do really feel for Maddie in this instance, because
I know what it feels like, and we all do
to be involved in some sort of online drama and you,
just from my perspective, you get this cold sweat going
and everything in your world is just orbiting around this drama, and.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You're like, what do I do?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
And you have to act so quickly, and that's why
sometimes you do end up putting out things that you're like, oh,
I shouldn't have said that. I also feel for Laura
because sometimes I think it's harder when something happens to
someone you love. Even this week, we had this weird
Daily Mail article come out about our engagement and proposals,
and there was a photo of our partners and there
were a couple of jerks in the comment section writing
(11:19):
nasty things about their appearance, and I just saw red
and I just thought, well, I can see why Laura
did want to jump on the defense and say something, Oh.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's admirable.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And one really good thing that came out of the
Mum and mea interview was my respect has grown even
more for Laura Burn hearing about her view on motherhood
and the workforce, because I think there are a lot
of people like we're obviously in an age group where
we're thinking of having children, and to hear that her
career has been able to go on and she has
got that support from matt was really lovely to hear.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And that's why.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
They've done the interview. Yeah, because it's been a perfect
PR exercise for them. It's been a good PR exercise
for Mum and mea because I'm sure that a few
more people are signed up to their subscription. And it's
clear that despite the fact that Mia didn't say where
she stood on the issue or what she thought of
the video, it's clear that she is a huge supporter
of Matti J because she said a number of times
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that she thinks what he's doing for dads is fantastic.
And the episode was also used to promote Mattie Jay's
parenting podcast. In saying that as much as I do
really respect me A Freedman and love her podcast, I
was disappointed that she didn't give her opinion on the
video or the fallout, not even her opinion, but asked
the tough question. Yeah. I understand that she was reluctant
(12:32):
to do so because she probably didn't want to turn
it into a slinging match. I would have just loved
to hear her take on the video though, because she's
so well educated on feminist matters, and I would have
liked to hear her take on domestic.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Inequality because it's something that they.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Talk about a lot on their podcast, and I wanted
to hear why in this case she was supportive of
Matty Jay, and also on their podcast they talk a
lot about respectfully disagreeing, so I you know, I think
Clementine Ford made the point this isn't about ten wearing
the people down, it's just actually talking about the issue,
and this would have been a great opportunity for me
(13:06):
to say, oh, actually, like, I see what Clementine was saying,
but I still can support you. Yeah. I also thought
it would have been a better move if they'd had
someone else interview Laura and Maddie j particularly if Mea
Friedman wasn't going to give her view on the matter,
because quite often on No Filter she does have a
number of other journalists feel in and I think it
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would have made it less personal. Yeah, I would have
liked to hear Holly Wayne Rights.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yes, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I love Holly Wayne Right, and she always has the
best takes on domestic duties because primarily her husband does
a lot of the labor there, and she.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Is so strong on that topic.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I also didn't really feel like much reflection had happened.
There was a lot of discussion about this injustice on them,
and I would have almost preferred for them to reflect
and say, well, we could have handled it better and
we're sorry for anyone who did take offense to this video,
because that was not our intention at all at the
time of recording. Clementine Ford hasn't responded. I am interested
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to see if she will. She is in the middle
of a book tour at the moment, so she's a
busy woman.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Every football fan. I'm just sanging this song. Posh Bias
takes it up. The excuse my language, not very lady like,
but seventy five thousand people singing that. I mean, it's embarrassing.
It's hurtful. I remember sitting down and the lady next
to me, she turned to me. She didn't know what
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to say.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
She said, you're a polo brand.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Beckham is back thanks to the new Netflix docu series
called Beckham. The four part series dropped on Wednesday and
explores football with David Beckham's career and private life, including
his marriage.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
To Victoria Beckham.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I feel like everyone is falling in love with this
couple again. I was obsessed with this docu series, and
it's not just sports fans either. I initially thought this
was a bit of a pop culture. I was trying
to twist Reese's arm be like, can we watch it?
And then he was like, the joke's on you. It's
all about sport.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
But I love it.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I found all of those elements about his career so
fascinating because I didn't know that it wasn't his decision
to leave Manchester United, and the fact that he was
played there as a fifteen year old boy and then
basically his family there turned their back on him at
twenty seven. That would have been such a huge and
upsetting part.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Of his life.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
My favorite part of the docco was the early half
where they were talking about how much money he would
spend and how basically the money would just come straight
out of his paycheck and he buys something and one
of the teammates said he bought a pen, Like who
buys an expensive pad? Yeah? Well, I think that doco
has been so popular because we're seeing this trend of
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trying to reframe the treatment of celebrities from the nineties
and early two thousands. We saw that with the recent
Britney Spears doco. Normally it has been focused on women,
but it was interesting to focus on David and Victoria Beckham,
of course, because I always thought that David Beckham was
a bit of a golden child with the media. I mean,
I know they had the alleged cheating scandals, but I
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didn't realize he was such a divisive figure in soccer.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
That's what made me.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
So angry is how flippant the soccer fans were, and
also how terrible the UK press is.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
The way that they.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Treated him was absolutely a poll And the incident you're
referring to is in the nineteen ninety eight World Cup,
and this is when David was of course playing for
England and he ended up being red carded after some
guy pushed him in the back and he kind of retaliated.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
With a small kick. I don't even think he ends
up really kidding.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
He was on the ground and his legs sort of
kicked up. He didn't even make contact. They interviewed the
player afterwards as in like twenty years on and he said, yeah,
I didn't think that was fair. At the West bit
was that the England manager, Glenn Hoddle, ended up blaming
David Beckham for England losing and getting out of the
World Cup. He said in an interview that Beckham had
cost England the match, and this in turn ended up
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meaning that he was getting death threats. They even had
an epigy of him hanging from a building it was discussing.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I couldn't believe.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I mean, I know English people love soccer, but to
turn on one of your own like that, it was disgusting.
And I think this was a big part of the
appeal of this doco and also of the Beckhams, because
while they were victims in a sense, they didn't center
themselves as victims. They didn't complain, they didn't blame people.
I mean, when David was talking about the red card incident,
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he did show a lot of remorse and he said
his biggest concern was hurting his parents. So he said
it brought a lot of attention that I would never
wish on anyone, let alone my parents. And I can't
forgive myself. I was the one who made this mistake.
David Beckham just also comes across as a pretty straightforward,
lovely guy. And what people really liked in this doco
is that you could see the internal struggle he has,
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which is quite interesting because he's obviously had this incredible
career and life, but you get this glimpse of his
addictive personality and OCD. And throughout this doco they always
show him obsessively cleaning and organizing his wardrobe, and at
one point he even talks about how each night he
goes and does a clean up around the kitchen and
around the lound room and he trims the candle wicks
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and cleans out you know when candles get the little
black around them from the smoke.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
He goes as far as cleaning that, yeah, like torture.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I know. Even when he was showing off his wardrobe
and was like, hang on, someone's been in here. What
about when Posh had left something out? He's like, yeah,
she've got this, you know, and you could just tell
that she had she was over it, like she had
it up. It is interesting because the director, Fisher Stevens,
he originally turned down the doco because he couldn't see
the struggle in the Beckham's life. However, he soon discovered
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that this was it. He said, there's a struggle inside
of this man, even though he presumably has everything and
is one of the best looking dudes you've ever seen.
I think there's a real inner turmoil to him. That
is the ticking clock of our film. On the topic
of him being a very good looking man, I need
to agree he is stunning at every age. Like he
not only looked amazing at forty seven, but some of
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those old clips.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I was like, oh my god, the blond eer.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Sophie and I was sending each other photos of David
at Manu and like it was so funny because Day
was like, can I weraw your phone?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I was thinking, fuck, my whole.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Google search is just like David Beckham young. I couldn't
get over the blonde hair and every style he had
and it looked good. I wasn't a fan of the
shaved hair. He looked like a model with the shaved head.
At first, I was like, what did he do? And
then they showed all those photo shoots with him with
the shaved head, and I was like, nah, that looks
good too. I loved how they kept showing girls in
the crowd taking photos and that their old school cameras.
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You imagine if David Beckham was in his twenties now,
how many TikTok pages would be dedicated to him.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
They probably still are at the.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Moment, I need to know what was your favorite David
Beckham hairstyle. I feel like there's a few, but the
ultimate one has to be I think it was in
ninety seven where he had the highlights and it was
sort of flicked back the floppy hair.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I think that was.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
When he did that his first press conference when he'd
signed on to that brand, and he just looked just
like such a model.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Last that star quality like that was so evident.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I love how Posh always had to do his hair
like their son had just been born and he was
going down to do the presser and she's like.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Can you fix my hair?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
What about when she admitted that she had sort of
gone along to the game to have it of a stalk.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I loved how open.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
She was and it was so cute because I couldn't
believe there had been that moment that he'd seen her
on TV and gone I'm going to marry her. Yeah,
that was the biggest takeaway For me of this documentary though,
it was how in love and in awe of each
other they were, and also the fact that they both
said that they grew up with not many friends in
the friendship circle, and it was clear that they were
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one another's support and it was clear that they were
in one of those early relationships where you just sort
of dump everyone and that person's your whole world. Oh
the fact that he would drive for hours and hours
to see her for like twenty minutes. I think it
is a real testament to the Beckhams how many people
actually put up their hand to be interviewed on this doco,
because while they might not have had many friends growing up,
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they certainly have a lot of famous friends now. We
did see Tom Cruise and Will Smith hold a welcome
party when Beckham went over to la And while there
were the people that you'd expect, like David's family and
obviously Victoria Beckham, there were a few surprises like Anna
Wintor popping up and she was there on the doco
to explain the cultural impact of Posh and Becks. It
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was disappointing to see that Glenn Hoddle didn't actually make
it on the doco. Apparently the director asked him many
times if he would be on it, but he just
kept saying no. It was brave of Sir Alex Ferguson
to appear because he wouldn't be a very popular guy.
He was the one that kicked the boot that hit
Beckham in the face.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I love how everyone's like he could never done that again.
It was like the one in a chance.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I did love how the Manchester United form a receptionist.
She became the breakout star of the doco series, so
she was in charge of dealing with all of Beckham's
fan mail, and she spoke about how women would send
in their underpants and it was quite hilarious. She said,
it's not nice, is it sending underwear to a boy?
I put them to one side and didn't reply.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I love how she always had these points. She's like,
I'm not going to go into that. I say that she'd.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Be such a good employee, just keeping everything secret. I
think the most viral parts of this documentary, and some
of my favorite parts came from.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Victoria Beckham's interviews.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I love when she was talking about how the fans
would chant stuff about her. Oh, and it was Victoria
takes it up the ass and she said, I mean,
I'm sitting there and the woman next to me doesn't
know what to say, so she asked me if I
want to polo.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
It was fucking classic. She I love her.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
She is an icons She's so just sure of herself
and funny.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, she's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I also loved David's response to that, and he's like,
obviously thought it was quite funny. Well, I suppose the
other viral moment that everyone's talking about is when Posh
and Beck's were arguing about their working class background. So
Victoria was trying to pass herself off as working class
and David interrupted the interview and was like, tell her
what type of car your dad drove your school?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
So I ended up she was driven to school in
a roles.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I did some digging because her name is obviously Posh Spice,
So it turns out that she comes from a nouveau
Risch family, so her parents had an electronics company that
boomed in the eighties, so it's not like she grew
up with a lot of wealth and she got the
name Posh Spice because she was posher than the others,
but not really Posh.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But she was born in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Isn't she the same age as David Beckham, so she would.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Have grown up with that wealth.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, but it's not old money, and I think that's
quite important in England. I also love the moment where
Victoria was talking about how she was just about to
give birth to their third child and she was in
hospital and David said, sorry, I can't actually make it.
I'm having a photo with Jennifer Lopez and also Beyonce.
And the next day they had this front page spread
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of the photo and it said what would Posh think?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And she said, what would I think? I was fucking furious.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Now, while this docco has been heavily praised, there is
some criticism regarding the way the alleged affair was discussed.
So one publication has criticized the director, Fisher Stevens for
not directly asking David whether he had an affair with
Rebecca Loose. So, for those who haven't seen the doco,
the affair is framed as a tabloid scandal, but neither
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David or Victoria directly acknowledged the affair or deny it.
They also don't mention Rebecca's name anywhere during the documentary,
because I was really waiting for this part of the
documentary to.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Come up, and I thought, oh is that Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Well, Fisher was asked about it and he says it
wasn't pleasant to discuss, but they did get into it,
and he chose to approach it by asking how their
marriage stayed together. I mean, to me, I would have
liked it to be further discussed. I know it is
a touchy subject, but it was meant to be a
tell all docucers.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
That's thought.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
They kind of implied that it had happened, especially when
Victorias said, you know, we were always a team and
then suddenly when he went to Madrid, we weren't.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
A team anymore, and that was more so.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I felt like she was referring to after the effair.
But even David said, it's our personal life. I don't
want to go into it. There was a lot of
discussion circling around the issue, but no one actually said
her name. And I feel like every other scandal they
went in depth about it. You've got to remember that
they've got a family who were going to watch that show.
I think that you then obviously not wanting to dig
(25:17):
up the past trauma. Again, it is probably a criticism
to the director of this, but you can only work
with what they're willing.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
To give you.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Well, it did turn out that the docu series was
co produced by Beckham's own media company, Studio ninety nine,
so I feel like that would have had a little
bit to do with it. I mean, critics are saying
that this doco is a perfectly crafted piece of pr
for the Beckhams, and I tend to agree. I mean,
it's not actually the first time that we've seen an
inside glimpse into their lives. Back in two thousand and seven,
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the couple actually appeared in an hour long NBC special
called Victoria Beckham Coming to America, and this show followed
the family's move to California after David got signed to
La Galaxy, and it was meant to be a six
part series, but it did get condensed down to one special. However,
you can find all of the episodes on YouTube, which
is amazing. But I feel like Posh was very different
(26:08):
on this series, Like you saw the fun side of her,
but a lot of people in America didn't get it.
So one US critic described it as an orgy of
self indulgence so out of whack with reality that you
sit there slapjawed at the goal of these people who
think we're that stupid. Victoria did say that even watching
back the clips for the documentary, she didn't recognize herself
(26:29):
in a lot of them. Yeah, but during that time,
so you've got to remember that that's when they were
producing like The Simple Life and Jessica Simpson. It was
like it was cool to be a bit ditzy and stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
They weren't. She wasn't ditsy.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I think that people just didn't get her humor, Like
the UK humor wasn't appreciated by the US audience because
there were scenes where she met up with Perez Hilton
and she challenged him over an article that he had
written saying that she was a robot with big boobs,
and she actually stood in front of him and said,
they're not even that big. She also said that she
wasn't going to eat a cookie that he bought her
(27:03):
because she couldn't be seen to be eating in public.
This documentary, it seems to have wet everyone's appetites for
more about the Beckhams, like it just wasn't enough as
you touched on Kate, there were so many things that
were sort of just mentioned, but they didn't go into
enough detail, which I really wanted. So we are working
on a deep dive into David Beckham and Victoria Beckham.
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A court dispute involving three food bloggers, a Chinese restaurant,
and a lobster is back in the headlines. We covered
the story a couple of months ago on the podcast,
but to bring you up to speed, three food bloggers
Julie and Belinda Newen and Jennifer Doe are suing Chinese
restaurant Silver Pearl for defamation. So it all kicked off
on Christmas Date twenty twenty, when the food bloggers allegedly
(28:48):
refuse to pay for their lobster dinner after claiming they'd
fallen ill. Now, the restaurant branded them as fraudulent diners
on their Instagram account, which has led to the food
bloggers suing for defamation in the Federal core. Now, recent
court documents obtained by news dot com reveal a different
picture of the alleged events. So in it, the women
claim that their lives had been ruined over a meal
(29:09):
they never ate. So the women say they had done
about one hundred restaurant reviews in exchange for meals at
other venues, but on this occasion they attended Silver Pearl
as regular customers. Now. Shortly after arriving, Belinda and Julie
say they took photos near the Christmas display before coming
back to the table, where their mum's partner said he
sampled the food a few times and it smelt really off.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
He said it tasted bitter and he didn't feel good.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
The Food Bloggers alleged that they didn't want to risk it,
so they called over the manager to explain that the
food smelt off. They said that the manager said it
was fresh and they would never do that now. After this,
they alleged that an argument broke out and the group left,
leaving thirty dollars on the.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Table for the wine but not paying for the food. Now.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
According to the Food bloggers mum's partner's evidence in court,
he said he I felt a little funny in his stomach,
but not too bad at this time, and ate some
of the lobster, but not as much as he normally would.
It does sound quite funny because they did end up
going to another lobster restaurant. It reminds me on The
Simpsons when Homer just wanted all you can eat seafood
(30:15):
and went fishing. However, it was Christmas Day, so that
kind of puts it more into perspective, like, if you're
eating on Christmas, you're eating a lot, and if you
don't get one Christmas dinner, you're gonna go to another restaurant. Well,
that's why they're so eager to say that they didn't
actually eat any of the food, because if the food
was actually bad and they were sick from it, they
then wouldn't go to another lobster restaurant. And the food
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bloggers said that the fallout from Silver Pearl's social media
posts has been so bad that they've been fearing for
their own safety because the online abuse has actually turned
into real life abuse out in public. And Belinda alleges
that she received private messages that were aggressive and threatening
and that people in the Vietnamese community were saying they
had disowned her. I hardly think drawing more attention to
(31:00):
this matter by taking it to court is actually reducing
that abuse, though I feel like people would have seen
the social media post and gotten over it pretty quickly.
I mean, it was in December twenty twenty. Yeah, but
at the same time they're trying to clear their names.
I can understand wanting to trun clear your name for
something that you didn't do. Because she said that when
she's out in public, people point at her, laugh and
(31:21):
call her a scammer, and she said that it also
made her lose her desire to work in law and
also the corporate world.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
It's a lot of fuss over a dinner, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Also it makes sense that they have a background in
law because maybe they saw this situation thought, oh, we've
got you here. Off the back of this story, the
Daily Telegraph is reporting that insurance companies are now creating
bespoke policies to protect food bloggers.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
From legal action.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
There've been really that many food bloggers out there that
would be needing this. I feel like food bloggers became
a bit irrelevant in recent years, but now because.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Of TikTok, they've become bigger.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
They're now being known as FOODI influences, and they'll create
little snapshots of reviews. And the thing that's different now
is that they're actually giving their honest opinion, whereas, like
in twenty sixteen, we used to host these events called
eaton Tweet for another PFM I worked out and basically
all of the people would just give a raving review just.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
To get a free meal.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
But now a lot of these food influencers know that
to get a proper following, they need their followers to
actually trust what they're saying and know that they're on points.
So if they go to a restaurant and say, oh,
well this was shit, but this person on line set
it was great. And I also think a lot of
businesses don't want to pay food bloggers to come in
and just give a fake opinion. Because I've got a
friend who runs a business here, it's a food business,
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and he said that he has a lot of people
messaging him saying.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Oh, I'll come in and I'll do a review.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
And he said, why would I want you to say
that another place in Adelaide is amazing, that's worse than
my place, and that, you know, because then people don't
trust what they're saying. It's a real gamble for these restaurants. Though.
I saw just the other day this Assai Bowl place
that Sammy Robinson goes to all the time, they put
up a post saying, oh my God, look at the
(33:00):
huge response we have from someone like Sammy Robbinson just
sharing about us, and they shared a screenshot of all
of the followers that were popping up. So, if someone
gives a favorable reviews, yeah, genuine, it's going to be
huge for your business. But alternatively, if you get a
negative review, you are going to be in so much
trouble and it's going to really impact your business. And
that's why some of these restaurants are seeking legal action
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over what they may deem to be unflattering or untrue
assessments of their restaurants. Well insurance companies are saying that
influencers are more likely to be sued than traditional journalists.
And if you think about it, journalists work normally for
big organizations and they have lawyers in house that can
protect them. But with an influencer, they have built their
brand on their own. They don't normally have a big
(33:44):
team behind them. I mean, I know, working in newsrooms,
you guys would be familiar with it.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
If there is a story that's a little.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Bit controversial, they'll run it past the lawyers and make
sure that what they're reporting is fine.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I mean, I know when I was working at today tonight.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
There was this view that they could basically say whatever
they wanted because most of the people who were in
the stories wouldn't have the means to sue a large
media organization, which is terrible, but it's it's true, you know.
And a restaurant isn't going to go out and sue
a Daily Telegraph journalist, isn't it because they're going to
be scared and they're going to think we're going to
waste a lot of money. But whereas influencers, they probably think, oh,
(34:19):
how much money do they really have?
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Little I have.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Now that's all we've got time for today. Thank you
so much for listening to another episode about Spoken. If
you did enjoy it, we'd love if you could go
and leave us a five star review. This podcast was
recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people of
the Adelaide Planes.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
We pay respect to elders past and present.
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