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Speaker 1 (00:02):
On today's show, Kayla Aesinas's former company takes rival trainer
to court Kim and Courtney Kardashian's explosive phone call, and
Clementine Ford is sick of the call group. Hello, and
welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer
and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate Torbert,
(00:22):
and I've got a bone to pick with you, Sophie.
I am so sick of being assaulted by your rapid
fire text messages. I will leave my phone for like
literally two seconds, and already our group chat is full
of forty messages, mostly from you, And most of these
messages could be condensed into one message. There's a reason
(00:42):
why I don't condense them. It's because have you ever
written a really, really long message and then somehow you've
exited it off and lost the whole thing? Yeah? Is
that honestly why you do it? Well, it's also because
I have a short attention stan, So I'm like, all right,
here's one point enter like I just I don't know.
So it doesn't really cost you anything. It's not like
back in the day, where if you send a text
message it was like a dollar to send. I think
it's because you're impulsive as well. So are you saying
(01:05):
that you actually structure your text messages out to be
dot points? No? I don't structure them to be dot points.
But there have been occasions where I'm writing to someone
I don't know as well, and I write a long
text message and all of a sudden it disappears. So
I don't want to do that with you. Guys, remember
when you used to write like risky messages in your
notes that you're like contemplating that you'd send either to
a guy or maybe someone you had an issue with
(01:26):
or oh yeah, the fight ones in the notes are hilarious,
particularly when you've forgotten about the fight and you find
those messages months and months later, you're like, oh, I
better delete this. This sounds petty as far. That's my issue, though,
I would just impulsively send messages like that in relationships
and to and to some of the messages I get
from you, I'm like, wow, this is in print forever,
(01:47):
very interesting and telling. To see them all over that post,
laughing and lolling being part of the game. I see you.
Clementine Ford has taken aim again at the Cool Group
last week, she called out Bachelor's star Mattie Jay's parenting
video and accused some Australian media organizations of giving untouchable
influences a free ride. Now things have escalated a lot
(02:10):
since we spoke about this on Outspoken Plus on Wednesday. Now,
we did go into this in more debts and gave
a lot of our honest opinions. But for those who
aren't across it, can you bring us up to speed?
So well, Basically, Mattie Jay created a series of satirical
videos showing his mum doing all of the housework and
looking after the kids while his wife Laura was away
for working Balley and the video did receive a mixed response.
(02:34):
Some followers thought it was funny, whilst others said that
matt was weaponizing incompetence. Now, this led to Mattie Jay
creating a third video where he did a mock up
of a fake apology to those that he offended, and
this is where Clementine Ford got involved. So she reshared
Mattie Jay's video and accused him of playing into retro
sexist stereotype. Now, it's not unusual for Clementine Ford to
(02:56):
provide this type of analysis or commentary on issues like this.
But what was interesting was that she started taking aim
at this cool group in the media that protect these
types of influencers. And that's what really peaked my interest
because it was clear she was talking about women's media publication,
Muma Mia. So she made that pretty clear because she
(03:17):
took a selfie and played the song Muma Mea by
Abba over the top of it. Wasn't that sub or
was it no? And this was in reference to the
fact that Mia Friedman and Claire Stevens and Jesse Stevens
had actually comment on Maddie Jay's video saying how funny
they thought it was. The whole untouchable influencer thing is
a concept that we've been talking about behind closed doors
for some time now, and that's not in reference to
Mum and Meir, but it's just generally how influencers are
(03:41):
moving more into media opportunities and roles. We're seeing a
number of them on shows like The Project, and they're
mingling more with media identities, so it is, and they're
all having their own podcasts as well, and I think
it's because so many of them are piggybacking off each
other to try and reach their audience. Well, it's very clever,
isn't it. And you see that a lot in the
US with there's the high Pass where influencers all live
(04:03):
together and create content. Yeah, well it's a clever marketing tactic.
If this person's got a whole bunch of followers that
are different to yours, you end up getting way more followers.
And I think it's because the line is really blurred
of what an influencer is. There are now so many subcategories.
So you've got the kind of og influencers who have
got a following just based off being on YouTube and Instagram.
(04:24):
Now you've got the reality stars who then turn into influencers,
and then you've got media personalities who then also influence
on the side too. It is true. And when they
do reference a call group, honestly, can you guys think
of the people who are in that cooll group, because
there are some people that instantly spring to mind. Oh yeah,
I could literally name who was in that call group.
And I agree with Clementine. There definitely is a call group.
(04:47):
You only have to look at the podcasting space and
the same people appear on the same podcast and everyone's
in with each other. So that becomes a really bad
dynamic when you are in the business of having opinions
and sharing them on a podcast, because all of a sudden,
these people become untouchable because for you, you need them
to be on your podcast to earn advertising dollars. Not
to sound like I want in on this Cool Group
(05:08):
or one of the Hangar Honorers, but a lot of
these people in the Call group are really likable and
nice people, and it's nothing against them. We're just talking
about the fact that it's really messy in the industry,
particularly because a lot of these influencers in the Cool Group,
they're in positions of power, so they either have a business,
so then their business might want to be promoted on
one of these other media organizations. It all becomes very intertwined.
(05:32):
We're actuallyzing dollars are involved. That's where things get better.
I actually feel for a couple of these podcasters in
a sense because they've made it difficult for themselves because
when you've got an opinion podcast, you can't be in
that click so you can't be part. We're very lucky
that we're from Adelaide and we don't go to these events,
not saying that we would be persuaded to talk differently.
(05:53):
If we did, we're in the uncool group. Who in
our group? Well, that's the thing. I don't think you
can have groups in the industry if you do want
to have opinions about the industry itself. Now, they were
all up to speed. On Wednesday night, Mia Friedman entered
the chat, and she did so by sharing a selfie
with Matty J and Laura Byrn in the MoMA Mea
podcast studios. So she wrote, coming soon on No Filter,
(06:16):
I was delighted to sit down with Laura Byrn and
Matti J to talk about marriage, family and the mental load.
Boy did our DMS go off? Yeah, she shared this.
I was pretty surprised to see this, to be honest,
because it really played into the commentary that Clementide Ford
was putting out there. Yeah. Well, I mean a lot
of people were surprised by the timing of this, including
(06:36):
Clementine Ford. So she reshared the post and wrote, the
gang's got to stick together. She continued. The effort being
put in to make sure everyone knows Matt Johnson is
a great guy is hilarious. Feels like it would have
been easier to acknowledge it was a bad take, but
I guess that takes a kind of reflection that's beyond
the prom committee shots fired. Now. MIA's post was of
(06:58):
course inundated with common and from what I could see,
the majority of comments weren't abusive or trolling in nature.
It was mainly a lot of people disagreeing with Maddie
J and Laura's take and agree with Clementine Ford's stance.
They were more questioning why Maddie J wasn't backing down,
but Mia did turn the comments off, which I don't
think was a great look. It was pretty interesting listening
(07:20):
to Mama Mia out Loud on Wednesday because they didn't
talk about Clementine or Maddie J. However, during one of
the segments, Mia really made these subtle references to people
starting fights and pylons as something that people do when
they're trying to boost their engagement. And people have noted
that Clementine Ford is bringing a book out. She was
posting a lot on her stories last night about this
(07:43):
book tour that she's going on, and some people are saying, well,
she's only doing it to sell her book. What do
you guys think about that? Well, if this is a
pr move, I think it's a stroke of genius because
her book is about weaponizing incompetence and also about marriage,
so it is quite clever to take an aim at
one of Australia's most part popular married couples, and also
Muma Mia, which is promoted as a feminist publication. I
(08:05):
don't necessarily think it's just to do with the fact
that she's releasing a book. Her job is a social
commentator and she's a feminist, so I think for her
to call out these things is very on brand. But
I suppose it makes sense. I mean, the whole thing
is that her job is to spark conversations about this
and why wouldn't you try and be relevant if you
did have a product, So particularly when it's a product
(08:26):
like a book about feminism that she thinks is going
to help people see I disagree because I don't think
Clementine thought that this was going to get as big
as it has. Because you've got to remember, it got
big because Laura Byrn came in and she gave her
own commentary and the issue Matt reeshared the mock apology video.
It blew up on people's space. I don't think she
realized how much of a following the both of them happen.
(08:49):
Either course, she saw the numbers, but I don't think
she realized how invested people were in their lives. See
I disagree. She is a very smart woman, and during
her many Instagram stories on the topic, she even referenced
the fact that she was pretty sure the Daily Mail
would run with a headline of this because they run
with everything that she does. But I'm not saying it's
a bad thing. I'm just saying that it's pretty clever
to create engagement on the topic that your books on.
(09:11):
I think it's a bit insulting to imply that that's
why she was doing it. Look mea Friedman. She has
also been accused of trying to stir the pot for
money because by having Maddi, j and Laura on her
podcast next week, she's obviously capitalizing on the drama. But
from a business perspective and someone who runs a podcast,
I would be doing the exact same thing. I'd be
(09:31):
wringing them up immediately, saying can you come here and
see I was a bit unsure about this move because
that just plays into the rhetoric that Clementine Ford says
that there is a call group. I totally get that
she is playing into the coll group mentality and that
isn't the greatest look. But this episode hasn't gone live yet,
so I think that she has the power to control
the narrative because at the moment, there's one side. You're
(09:53):
either on Clementine's forward site or you're on Matti J
and her side. And I think that there's a lot
of people who feel a lot of sympathy for this couple,
and that's only to be intensified after hearing a two
hour episode with them. I think the best thing that
they could do is just forget about it and not
say anything more. And it will be interesting to see
if they do touch on it, because Clementine Ford is
implying that, you know, Mum and Mea are going out
(10:14):
there to try and rebuild Matt's reputation. Because while a
lot of people did find it funny, I would say
it's fifty to fifty. Do we think that there's a
collaboration or some sort of sponsorship deal or a podcast
happening with Matti J and Mum and Mea that's coming out, Well,
that's the interesting thing because Laura Byrn has done a
podcast with Mum and Mia before, but she currently has
lifel On Cut with ARN and Mattie Jay is also
(10:36):
with AARN, so they do come from two different podcast networks.
I'm really interested to listen to this interview and I
want to know was this planned beforehand? Is this like
just ideal timing for Mama Mia or was there a
panic phone call between the couple and Mia Friedman They're like,
let's get you on no Filter. It's a really tough
one for me because I respect all individuals involved in
(10:57):
this sort of feud that's broken out, and I think
that's what a lot of people are struggling with because
you respect all of these people as business owners and
for the good work that they're doing. And so it's
a hard one because you don't want to see adults
having a few and fighting it out on social media.
But I mean, we just went in more detail on
our subscriber episode. But that's the point that Clementine made
(11:18):
is you can like these people, but we should be
able to critique the content. And for a lot of people,
that video missed the mark and it wasn't funny and
it you know, Clementine's stories opened up a really important
conversation with everyone. I initially found the video quite funny,
but after hearing Clementine's analysis of it, I thought, it
is wrong. That's why we should actually be stopping that
(11:38):
kind of realize the implications that normalizing that behavior and
laughing about it has and the internalized misogyny. So we're
all confused, and we're on a group chat that's actually
labeled to not Courtney, so we know and have the
funnel what your friends are saying to us. Everyone is
talking about the explosive phone call between Kim and Courtney Cutter,
(12:00):
and as veterans of sister fights, I think we need
to weigh in. So this isn't the first time the
sisters have fought on their reality show. Back in twenty twenty,
they had a fist fight. It was all over TikTok.
I remember seeing that and I felt really disturbed because
it reminded me of our own fight, particularly when everyone
in the comment section is saying, I can't believe that
women of this age carry on like that, and what
(12:22):
a disgusting way to spend that. I thought, that's just
the norm. It is disgusting but that's just how sisters
talk to each other. I mean they were in their
forties at the time. I do have high hopes that
maybe we're over that. Can I say I hate the
age shaaning of You know, when your sisters, you're always
going to inherently have that sister bond, sister bond or
that animosity towards each other, because when you hang out
with your family, you do revert back to the way
(12:45):
you act as a child. That is a good point. Now,
Season three of them new show The Kardashians also centered
around their Adulce and Kabana fight as a quick refresher.
Courtney got pissed off when Kim did a collection with
the brand just six months after Courtney's Dulce and A wedding,
and while they made up on the show, the airing
of the series opened old wounds and reignited the fight. Now,
(13:06):
the fight resurface when Kim asked Courtney over the phone
if she wanted to join her at a dinner in
Milan as part of her Adult Shake contract. Now, I
thought this was pretty brave considering the backlash that happened
over this brand deal. Now, Courtney said she was dult
shade out, and it quickly escalated to Courtney again accusing
Kim of copying her wedding looks now. Kim shut this
(13:28):
down pretty quickly by saying that she didn't like Courtney's
wedding aesthetic and it was unoriginal because everyone does nineties.
She does have a bit of a point there. Everyone
is doing the nineties, and I did not like her
wedding aesthetic. It looked more like a funeral. I love
how there's just been all these subtle digs from Chloe
and now Kim about just how ugly the wedding dress was.
I remember the last series, Chloe was on a light
(13:50):
detector and they asked her if she actually liked her look,
and she was so polite about it, but it was
a not yeah. Well. Courtney then accused Kim of not
being happy at her wedding because she wasn't the center
of attention, and Kim hit back, asking Courtney to reflect
on why she hates her and is angry with her.
She then twisted the knife, telling Courtney that she is
a group chat with her sister's friends called not Courtney
(14:12):
where they talk about her. She went on to say
that everyone in the family thinks she's different now, and
she even dropped that Courtney's kids have come to her
about their mum now. The argument escalated even further, and
Courtney called Kim a narcissist, a fucking witch, and said
she hated her and she didn't need them anymore now.
After this phone call, Courtney pulled out of their family
(14:33):
trip to Carbo. I shouldn't laugh, but it is just
comical because as sisters, you really know what buttons to push,
and you just say the most horrible things. If a
friend said any of those things, you would never talk
to them. It's kind of funny because I've heard a
lot of commentary about this, and there's so many people
that are shocked about the way they spoke to each other,
(14:54):
like this is just normal sister talk. I mean, anyone
that's seen any of our fights on Instagram or TikTok
will know we basically talk to each other like this
on a commedys and I mean the Veronicas they had
their reality show and they spoke to each other exactly
the same. It must just been a sister thing. And
I was going to say maybe a multiple birth thing,
but the Kardashians aren't well they're just so close, so
(15:14):
they work together. I think it's the work thing that
is brought into it, because, let's be honest, this is
really about the brand deal and hundreds of millions of
dot I just think it's just about the brand deal,
though I think goes deeper than that. And Courtney feels
very pigeon holed into this role in the Kardashians as
a supporting sister, and as you said, sisters know which
buttons to press. So the fact that she's saying that
(15:37):
Kim couldn't even be happy for her when it was
her one moment of being in the spotlight says a lot. Well,
Kim has always been the main character in that family.
There was a time when Kylie was almost the main character,
but Kim throughout the years really has never on the
reality show, though Kyle has never kind of been that
the most interesting person on there. True, but from a
statist perspective, Kylie was pretty big. Now there is there's
(16:00):
a theory that's floating around that the real reason Kim
and Courtney are fighting and it's all to do with
Travis Barker. So a copy of Travis's memoir from twenty
fifteen has been dug up, and it turns out he
had the hots for Kim. So he went into detail
about a trip to Amsterdam with him, Kim, and Paris
Hilton as well as Little Chris in the early two
(16:21):
thousands and at the time, Kim was Paris's closet organizer
and during this trip, Travis said he couldn't keep his
eyes off Kim and said that she was fucking hot
and eye candy. Now, after the trip, he even took
her out to a couple of dinner and lunch dates. Now,
Travis claims he was on a break with his then
wife Shanna. However, Shanna has a different story. She has
(16:44):
accused Travis of cheating on her with Kim, and Shanner
even poured a drink over Kim at a party thrown
by Carmen a lecture around the time. So it's becoming
clearer and clearer. Why Courtney, he has been hating on
Kim so much? Yeah, Well, Shanna told us weekly, I
divorce my ex because I saw them, I caught them
having an affair. We were working on our marriage and
(17:05):
trying to heal through that affair. That in fidelity. He
continued to work with her and then I received all
the text messages and the other third parties kind of
let me know. It's something I was well aware of.
He is dating her sister now, so I think that
would be really weird. How Come we're only hearing about
this now because didn't he put out this memoir years
ago and no one's picked up, So it was in
(17:25):
twenty fifteen. The thing is, Travis and Kim have both
denied that anything physical happened between them. It is interesting, though,
because when Travis came on the scene on The Kardashians,
the whole story was that he was so madly in
love with Courtney forever and they finally turned their friendship
into a relationship. But it seems like he just had
the hots for Kim the whole time. Oh, I mean
(17:47):
Corney and Kim. They both look quite similar. But I
could not stand marrying someone and knowing that they possibly
had sex with my sister, and also it was so
attracted to her that they wrote about it in their memory.
Isn't Courtney kind of in the wrong though, because if
Kim and Travis did have this little relationship a number
of years ago, isn't she sort of the sister that's
(18:09):
encroaching on that. Yeah, well, I found it interesting how
Kim said in that argument, Oh, maybe reflect on the
real reason why you hate me? And I wonder if
this is ever going to be addressed on the Kardashians,
because everyone is talking about this connection. That would just
kill me inside though, to know that my partner was
more interested in my other sister. That makes me feel
sad for Courtney because I know a lot of people
(18:31):
were saying they were team Kim. I'm still undecided because
there were elements where I felt, I don't know, just
so sorry for Courtney. What do you guys think about
the group chat though, because a lot of people were saying, oh,
it's so brutal to have all of her friends in
there and called not Courney. Are you talking about her
kids as well? Well, I think it's a clever name
for the group chat because at least you're not going
to get confused. But in the same time, I think
if we had a nasty chat without each other, the
(18:53):
title would be a lot bit brutal. Those nasty chats
are literally just Amy, like old just bitch to Amy
individually about you or vice versa, Like it's so funny
when I grab one of your phones and I go
into like so it's like, I'm just driving, can you
message Amy? And most of the conversation beforehand is bitching
about me. Yeah, if it's taking it further by then,
including that person's friend. Courtney has come out and said
(19:14):
that she's done some detective work and that her friends
were not in the group chat, so she said on
a comment on Facebook. When she was asked about it,
she said, no. The members of that chat are namely Kim,
Chlobe Kendall, and Kylie Kay okay close. I can't understand
that though, particularly it would be more difficult in a
big family because you never know who's on your side.
(19:35):
I mean, even with the three of us, I'll think
that one of you is on my side, and then
later I'll hear that you've been bitching about me or
vice versa. It's clear Courtney's friends are really pissed off
because she ended up sharing a screenshot from text messages
with her group of friends and they were saying how
Kim had completely thrown them under the bus, but the
group chat did not exist, and she's buying it. So
(19:56):
to me, it sounds like maybe Kim has more of
an issue with Travis, yes, because I feel like she's
always trying to drop these subtle things of you're different
now and you've changed, because really, Courtney has changed her
whole image since she started jading Travis. But I think
it's just that she's legitimately happy with him. I am
on Kim side because I do see this change with Courtney,
and I don't like the way she speaks to her
(20:17):
family and says I don't need you, I don't want
anything to do with you. I'm happier without you. And
I know that a lot of the time we're seeing
this said in the heat of the moment. But I
think that she actually believes that. I don't think she
I think she is moving away from that family. But
then again, she is a producer on The Kardashians as well,
so they clearly didn't mind this clip being it. Well.
I saw a lot of people saying, oh, it must
(20:38):
be fake. They clearly don't talk to each other. It's like, well, no,
I don't think it was fake at all. I mean,
it is obviously great timing. This is their premiere episode
for the season four. It's just editing like they would
have had that shot ages of gone thought, let's lead
in with this for the first episode, but it's also
just sisters, like we will have a hideous argument where
we're just cruel and nasty to each other, and then
(20:59):
one way you'll send me a reel on Instagram and
I'm like, hell yeah. Well, I just can't imagine how
awkward it must have been at Courtney's baby shower over
the weekend because Kim was in attendance. However, people noticed
that she didn't actually post any pictures or vision with Courtney.
So she did include a photo of Courtney and Travis kissing,
but that was it. Now. Courtney did share a bunch
(21:21):
of photos, but again she wasn't pictured with any of
her sisters. She did have a big group photo of
her and some friends. However, it was interesting because she
was standing up and all of the friends were surrounding
her at the bottom, and apparently Travis did have COVID
and it was a socially distanced baby shower, so I'm
wondering if her and Travis were just staying away from
all the guests that were there. Adelai fitness guru Kayla
(21:44):
had seen us is locked in a legal fight to
stop one of her former workout Buddies from launching a
competing exercise app. We've been seeing plenty of headlines this
week that fitness influence that Kayla has seen us and
cass Olholm are locked in a fierce court battle. Some
sections of the media are promoting this as Kayla verse
cass sharing images of the women's side by side and
(22:07):
playing into old gendered stereotypes, suggesting that the two women
are having a cat fight because we know that that's
what sells newspapers. In reality, Kayla wasn't even at this
court hearing, and the company she originally founded, called the
Bikini Body Training Company, are the ones who are seeking
the Supreme Court injunction to stop cases app from being launched.
(22:28):
What's amusing is that Kayla and Toby sold their business
to a US company called I Fit in twenty twenty one,
so she is a lot more removed from the company
now than the media would like you to believe. She
obviously still has her foot in the door a bit
because she is still one of the trainers on the
app and it is still undergoing the handover cross. She
is the face of the app. Yeah, I mean, I
(22:49):
can see why they're running with it, but it just
irritates me how the media portray and put the two
women's pictures next to each other and act like it's
this cat fight between the two of them, but it's
actually about a serious matter now. Cas was handpicked by
Kayler in twenty twenty to join Sweat as a trainer,
and before joining the app, she was a nutritionist and
a personal trainer with expertise in high intensity training. She
(23:11):
also ran a popular gym called Grounded, which she still
owns and before getting the call up, Cas had grown
an Instagram following of one hundred and twenty nine thousand
followers and today her following stands at three hundred and
sixty two thousand, so it's clear that she has been
propped up by being a part of the app. Yeah,
and at the time, Cas was interviewed about joining Sweat
and she said, it's surreal and crazy to be chosen.
(23:32):
It's so exciting and such an awesome opportunity to have
opportunity being the key word there, because, as you said, Kate,
her getting the exposure on Kayler at Sina's app was
huge for her and Cas was a contractor for Sweat
for over three years before leaving the fitness app in
February twenty twenty three, but despite her departure, she still
features on Sweat and she was a fixture on Kayla's
(23:55):
social channels across twenty twenty two. Now, the Bikini Body
Training Company is trying to block Cass from launching her
online training program called Train with Cass, alleging that she
is breaching a twelve month restraint of trade agreement. Yeah,
so Cass is trying to launch this app this month,
and she already has her website live and she's also
been promoting it across social media, saying her new program
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will launch on the Apple Store on October twelfth. Now,
the app is very similar to Kayla's app. It offers
strength conditioning and also high intensity training. Well, even the
name Train with Cass, it's like called Sweat with Kayla,
Train with Cass very similar. Yeah. Now, the Bikini Body
Training Company they are hoping to block the launch of
the program until the first of March twenty twenty four,
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making it twelve months since her departure from Sweat, But
her legal team argues that the restraint period expired after
six months, and the court has heard that Cass has
spent five hundred and eighty thousand dollars preparing the new
business kisses, because wouldn't it be pretty clear what the
contract states if it's twelve months or six months. It
seems odd that it's even got to this point. Yeah. Well,
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if this case does continue, both parties will be spending
upwards of hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees,
and the judge has stepped in and said that both
parties should consider compromising to avoid spending very large sums
of money on lawyers. Well, you would also think that
this court case would just literally delay her launch to
March twenty twenty four. Anyway, it's giving a lot of
(25:23):
publicity actually, because those who didn't know about her or
didn't hear that she's launching it up now do Yeah. Well,
the judge suggested that could she launch in January because
that would then mean it's nine months since she left,
But the Bikini Body Training Company said that that's peak
time in the fitness industry, so they don't want her
to proceed, which is quite interesting because you know January first,
(25:44):
that is the time when everyone starts making up their
New Year's resolutions, so it's very clever that they want
her to wait until March when everyone's sort of given
up their fitness because October, again, it's just before summer,
and summer is usually the period that everyone wants to
start exercising. Quite awkward because an old post has resurfaced
which shows Cas standing alongside Kayla during a shoot for Sweat,
(26:06):
and she captured the photo. I'm so often confused by
women who compete against each other. I simply don't understand
it because I'm constantly trying to surround myself with strong, empowered,
humble women. I know that's awkward, but we've got to
remember it's not Kayla that is pulling the trigger on
these court cases and saying, oh, let's sue her. It's
actually coming from the company that she has sold. Navy
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Cass doesn't want to be a part of Sweat anymore
because Toby and Kayla don't own it. Yeah, we don't
know what has happened since they left. Well, this isn't
the first time that Kayla and her team have taken
a rival fitness influencer to court. Do you remember back
in twenty fifteen there was a media storm because Kayla
and Toby took Leanne Ratliffe to court, and she is
better known as Freely the Banana Girl. I have never
(26:48):
heard her name before. That just doesn't even sound but
that's because didn't. Freely went on a rant and started
saying all these really damaging things about Kayler. Yeah, it
was a defamation case over her YouTube con and Kayla
was seeking for the videos to be removed. The matter
was settled out of court and Freely had to take
down all of the content. Now, I would assume that
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the Bikini Body company would have thought that this case
would have been settled out of court. So it seems
like Cass very much is standing her ground. So I'm
very interested to see what actually happens. How much money
does Cass have though, because if she spent over five
hundred thousand dollars creating the app and then she's got
upwards of hundreds of thousands of dollars to spend on
this court case, it's just crazy, but it shows you
(27:31):
how much money these apps are potentially making for her
to be like sticking to her guns in such a way. Well,
it might not be all her money either. I'm sure
she's got investors in the app, and then we just
slid off in the getaway car at the end. Shout
out to Taylor for coming through and see me rack
the stage. Travis Kelsey's ex, Kayla Nicole, has gone on
an unfollowing spree. The sports broadcaster and model dated Travis
(27:54):
on and off between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty two,
so things are fairly fresh anyway. She unfollowed Travis's teammate
Patrick Mayholmes, along with his wife Brittany and his brother Jackson.
Now all three still follow Kaylor and appear to be
close with her despite her split with Travis. Kayla was
such a good friend to Britney that she was even
a bridesmaid at her wedding. Now, Brittany does have one
(28:16):
point four million followers, so she probably hasn't noticed it
on follow. Oh you would notice. I would notice if
this was a very dear friend of mine. And it's
very interesting timing, isn't it. After they were all seen
with Taylor Swift at the recent Chiefs game. Well, it
is unclear when Kayla actually hit the unfollow button, but
it seems to be due to the fact that they
are hanging out with Taylor Swift. Because Brittany was spotted
(28:39):
standing right next to Taylor with her celebrity entourage at
the Chiefs game on Sunday. I couldn't believe there was
a photo and it was just Taylor, Blake, Lively, Ryan Reynolds,
and Sophie Turner, and I thought, no, wonder these tickets
are selling out. Apparently it's so hard to actually get
NFL tickets. Now, I think that Kayla's probably the only
woman in the world who is an enjoying following along
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this love story. Can you imagine that, like you're dating
this guy for a couple of years, you break up,
and then he dates Taylor Swift like she's the most
likable person. I couldn't imagine having to then hate her
because you always disliked this. I do, girlfriend, I do
feel bad for her. Well, I'm jealous of all the
Chiefs players wives and girlfriends because this Brittany has got
herself in a great spot. Not only is she sitting
(29:23):
next to Taylor Swift at the games, but she's been
hanging out with her at dinners along with Blake and
Sophie the night before. They also had dinner after the
Chiefs game last week. Wouldn't you just feel so left
out if you were Kayla, because you were part of
this world, and then all these other cool people are in. Oh,
isn't she a sports reporter as well? So she's a
sports commentator. I all want to know, etiquette wise, when
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can you unfollow your ex as friends? Well, in this instance,
if she didn't do it straight after the breakup, then
I don't think she should have timed it with the
friendship with Taylor Swift, because that just looks pettyous. She
feels betrayed because I can imagine that maybe she'd reached
out to those friends when all of this Taylor Swift
news was happening, and maybe they sided with her and
said it was unfair. We don't know what went on
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behind closed doors. In terms of when you should delete
an ex's friends. I find it very offensive when you're
the one that's being broken up with and you see
their friends unfollowing. Yeah, yeah, that really hurts. Yeah. I
don't If I'm the friend of someone and they get
broken up with, I don't generally unfollow them. I just
keep them around. There are people who want to block
(30:29):
and wipe everyone so that you never see the X again,
But I don't think that that's healthy. I like to
have a stalk. Well, I think that's how we're going
to wrap it up. If you do want to hear
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land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We
pay respect to elders past and present,
On today's show, Kayla Aesinas's former company takes rival trainer
to court Kim and Courtney Kardashian's explosive phone call, and
Clementine Ford is sick of the call group. Hello, and
welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer
and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate Torbert,
(00:22):
and I've got a bone to pick with you, Sophie.
I am so sick of being assaulted by your rapid
fire text messages. I will leave my phone for like
literally two seconds, and already our group chat is full
of forty messages, mostly from you, And most of these
messages could be condensed into one message. There's a reason
(00:42):
why I don't condense them. It's because have you ever
written a really, really long message and then somehow you've
exited it off and lost the whole thing? Yeah? Is
that honestly why you do it? Well, it's also because
I have a short attention stan, So I'm like, all right,
here's one point enter like I just I don't know.
So it doesn't really cost you anything. It's not like
back in the day, where if you send a text
message it was like a dollar to send. I think
it's because you're impulsive as well. So are you saying
(01:05):
that you actually structure your text messages out to be
dot points? No? I don't structure them to be dot points.
But there have been occasions where I'm writing to someone
I don't know as well, and I write a long
text message and all of a sudden it disappears. So
I don't want to do that with you. Guys, remember
when you used to write like risky messages in your
notes that you're like contemplating that you'd send either to
a guy or maybe someone you had an issue with
(01:26):
or oh yeah, the fight ones in the notes are hilarious,
particularly when you've forgotten about the fight and you find
those messages months and months later, you're like, oh, I
better delete this. This sounds petty as far. That's my issue, though,
I would just impulsively send messages like that in relationships
and to and to some of the messages I get
from you, I'm like, wow, this is in print forever,
(01:47):
very interesting and telling. To see them all over that post,
laughing and lolling being part of the game. I see you.
Clementine Ford has taken aim again at the Cool Group
last week, she called out Bachelor's star Mattie Jay's parenting
video and accused some Australian media organizations of giving untouchable
influences a free ride. Now things have escalated a lot
(02:10):
since we spoke about this on Outspoken Plus on Wednesday. Now,
we did go into this in more debts and gave
a lot of our honest opinions. But for those who
aren't across it, can you bring us up to speed?
So well, Basically, Mattie Jay created a series of satirical
videos showing his mum doing all of the housework and
looking after the kids while his wife Laura was away
for working Balley and the video did receive a mixed response.
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Some followers thought it was funny, whilst others said that
matt was weaponizing incompetence. Now, this led to Mattie Jay
creating a third video where he did a mock up
of a fake apology to those that he offended, and
this is where Clementine Ford got involved. So she reshared
Mattie Jay's video and accused him of playing into retro
sexist stereotype. Now, it's not unusual for Clementine Ford to
(02:56):
provide this type of analysis or commentary on issues like this.
But what was interesting was that she started taking aim
at this cool group in the media that protect these
types of influencers. And that's what really peaked my interest
because it was clear she was talking about women's media publication,
Muma Mia. So she made that pretty clear because she
(03:17):
took a selfie and played the song Muma Mea by
Abba over the top of it. Wasn't that sub or
was it no? And this was in reference to the
fact that Mia Friedman and Claire Stevens and Jesse Stevens
had actually comment on Maddie Jay's video saying how funny
they thought it was. The whole untouchable influencer thing is
a concept that we've been talking about behind closed doors
for some time now, and that's not in reference to
Mum and Meir, but it's just generally how influencers are
(03:41):
moving more into media opportunities and roles. We're seeing a
number of them on shows like The Project, and they're
mingling more with media identities, so it is, and they're
all having their own podcasts as well, and I think
it's because so many of them are piggybacking off each
other to try and reach their audience. Well, it's very clever,
isn't it. And you see that a lot in the
US with there's the high Pass where influencers all live
(04:03):
together and create content. Yeah, well it's a clever marketing tactic.
If this person's got a whole bunch of followers that
are different to yours, you end up getting way more followers.
And I think it's because the line is really blurred
of what an influencer is. There are now so many subcategories.
So you've got the kind of og influencers who have
got a following just based off being on YouTube and Instagram.
(04:24):
Now you've got the reality stars who then turn into influencers,
and then you've got media personalities who then also influence
on the side too. It is true. And when they
do reference a call group, honestly, can you guys think
of the people who are in that cooll group, because
there are some people that instantly spring to mind. Oh yeah,
I could literally name who was in that call group.
And I agree with Clementine. There definitely is a call group.
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You only have to look at the podcasting space and
the same people appear on the same podcast and everyone's
in with each other. So that becomes a really bad
dynamic when you are in the business of having opinions
and sharing them on a podcast, because all of a sudden,
these people become untouchable because for you, you need them
to be on your podcast to earn advertising dollars. Not
to sound like I want in on this Cool Group
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or one of the Hangar Honorers, but a lot of
these people in the Call group are really likable and
nice people, and it's nothing against them. We're just talking
about the fact that it's really messy in the industry,
particularly because a lot of these influencers in the Cool Group,
they're in positions of power, so they either have a business,
so then their business might want to be promoted on
one of these other media organizations. It all becomes very intertwined.
(05:32):
We're actuallyzing dollars are involved. That's where things get better.
I actually feel for a couple of these podcasters in
a sense because they've made it difficult for themselves because
when you've got an opinion podcast, you can't be in
that click so you can't be part. We're very lucky
that we're from Adelaide and we don't go to these events,
not saying that we would be persuaded to talk differently.
(05:53):
If we did, we're in the uncool group. Who in
our group? Well, that's the thing. I don't think you
can have groups in the industry if you do want
to have opinions about the industry itself. Now, they were
all up to speed. On Wednesday night, Mia Friedman entered
the chat, and she did so by sharing a selfie
with Matty J and Laura Byrn in the MoMA Mea
podcast studios. So she wrote, coming soon on No Filter,
(06:16):
I was delighted to sit down with Laura Byrn and
Matti J to talk about marriage, family and the mental load.
Boy did our DMS go off? Yeah, she shared this.
I was pretty surprised to see this, to be honest,
because it really played into the commentary that Clementide Ford
was putting out there. Yeah. Well, I mean a lot
of people were surprised by the timing of this, including
(06:36):
Clementine Ford. So she reshared the post and wrote, the
gang's got to stick together. She continued. The effort being
put in to make sure everyone knows Matt Johnson is
a great guy is hilarious. Feels like it would have
been easier to acknowledge it was a bad take, but
I guess that takes a kind of reflection that's beyond
the prom committee shots fired. Now. MIA's post was of
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course inundated with common and from what I could see,
the majority of comments weren't abusive or trolling in nature.
It was mainly a lot of people disagreeing with Maddie
J and Laura's take and agree with Clementine Ford's stance.
They were more questioning why Maddie J wasn't backing down,
but Mia did turn the comments off, which I don't
think was a great look. It was pretty interesting listening
(07:20):
to Mama Mia out Loud on Wednesday because they didn't
talk about Clementine or Maddie J. However, during one of
the segments, Mia really made these subtle references to people
starting fights and pylons as something that people do when
they're trying to boost their engagement. And people have noted
that Clementine Ford is bringing a book out. She was
posting a lot on her stories last night about this
(07:43):
book tour that she's going on, and some people are saying, well,
she's only doing it to sell her book. What do
you guys think about that? Well, if this is a
pr move, I think it's a stroke of genius because
her book is about weaponizing incompetence and also about marriage,
so it is quite clever to take an aim at
one of Australia's most part popular married couples, and also
Muma Mia, which is promoted as a feminist publication. I
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don't necessarily think it's just to do with the fact
that she's releasing a book. Her job is a social
commentator and she's a feminist, so I think for her
to call out these things is very on brand. But
I suppose it makes sense. I mean, the whole thing
is that her job is to spark conversations about this
and why wouldn't you try and be relevant if you
did have a product, So particularly when it's a product
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like a book about feminism that she thinks is going
to help people see I disagree because I don't think
Clementine thought that this was going to get as big
as it has. Because you've got to remember, it got
big because Laura Byrn came in and she gave her
own commentary and the issue Matt reeshared the mock apology video.
It blew up on people's space. I don't think she
realized how much of a following the both of them happen.
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Either course, she saw the numbers, but I don't think
she realized how invested people were in their lives. See
I disagree. She is a very smart woman, and during
her many Instagram stories on the topic, she even referenced
the fact that she was pretty sure the Daily Mail
would run with a headline of this because they run
with everything that she does. But I'm not saying it's
a bad thing. I'm just saying that it's pretty clever
to create engagement on the topic that your books on.
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I think it's a bit insulting to imply that that's
why she was doing it. Look mea Friedman. She has
also been accused of trying to stir the pot for
money because by having Maddi, j and Laura on her
podcast next week, she's obviously capitalizing on the drama. But
from a business perspective and someone who runs a podcast,
I would be doing the exact same thing. I'd be
(09:31):
wringing them up immediately, saying can you come here and
see I was a bit unsure about this move because
that just plays into the rhetoric that Clementine Ford says
that there is a call group. I totally get that
she is playing into the coll group mentality and that
isn't the greatest look. But this episode hasn't gone live yet,
so I think that she has the power to control
the narrative because at the moment, there's one side. You're
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either on Clementine's forward site or you're on Matti J
and her side. And I think that there's a lot
of people who feel a lot of sympathy for this couple,
and that's only to be intensified after hearing a two
hour episode with them. I think the best thing that
they could do is just forget about it and not
say anything more. And it will be interesting to see
if they do touch on it, because Clementine Ford is
implying that, you know, Mum and Mea are going out
(10:14):
there to try and rebuild Matt's reputation. Because while a
lot of people did find it funny, I would say
it's fifty to fifty. Do we think that there's a
collaboration or some sort of sponsorship deal or a podcast
happening with Matti J and Mum and Mea that's coming out, Well,
that's the interesting thing because Laura Byrn has done a
podcast with Mum and Mia before, but she currently has
lifel On Cut with ARN and Mattie Jay is also
(10:36):
with AARN, so they do come from two different podcast networks.
I'm really interested to listen to this interview and I
want to know was this planned beforehand? Is this like
just ideal timing for Mama Mia or was there a
panic phone call between the couple and Mia Friedman They're like,
let's get you on no Filter. It's a really tough
one for me because I respect all individuals involved in
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this sort of feud that's broken out, and I think
that's what a lot of people are struggling with because
you respect all of these people as business owners and
for the good work that they're doing. And so it's
a hard one because you don't want to see adults
having a few and fighting it out on social media.
But I mean, we just went in more detail on
our subscriber episode. But that's the point that Clementine made
(11:18):
is you can like these people, but we should be
able to critique the content. And for a lot of people,
that video missed the mark and it wasn't funny and
it you know, Clementine's stories opened up a really important
conversation with everyone. I initially found the video quite funny,
but after hearing Clementine's analysis of it, I thought, it
is wrong. That's why we should actually be stopping that
(11:38):
kind of realize the implications that normalizing that behavior and
laughing about it has and the internalized misogyny. So we're
all confused, and we're on a group chat that's actually
labeled to not Courtney, so we know and have the
funnel what your friends are saying to us. Everyone is
talking about the explosive phone call between Kim and Courtney Cutter,
(12:00):
and as veterans of sister fights, I think we need
to weigh in. So this isn't the first time the
sisters have fought on their reality show. Back in twenty twenty,
they had a fist fight. It was all over TikTok.
I remember seeing that and I felt really disturbed because
it reminded me of our own fight, particularly when everyone
in the comment section is saying, I can't believe that
women of this age carry on like that, and what
(12:22):
a disgusting way to spend that. I thought, that's just
the norm. It is disgusting but that's just how sisters
talk to each other. I mean they were in their
forties at the time. I do have high hopes that
maybe we're over that. Can I say I hate the
age shaaning of You know, when your sisters, you're always
going to inherently have that sister bond, sister bond or
that animosity towards each other, because when you hang out
with your family, you do revert back to the way
(12:45):
you act as a child. That is a good point. Now,
Season three of them new show The Kardashians also centered
around their Adulce and Kabana fight as a quick refresher.
Courtney got pissed off when Kim did a collection with
the brand just six months after Courtney's Dulce and A wedding,
and while they made up on the show, the airing
of the series opened old wounds and reignited the fight. Now,
(13:06):
the fight resurface when Kim asked Courtney over the phone
if she wanted to join her at a dinner in
Milan as part of her Adult Shake contract. Now, I
thought this was pretty brave considering the backlash that happened
over this brand deal. Now, Courtney said she was dult
shade out, and it quickly escalated to Courtney again accusing
Kim of copying her wedding looks now. Kim shut this
(13:28):
down pretty quickly by saying that she didn't like Courtney's
wedding aesthetic and it was unoriginal because everyone does nineties.
She does have a bit of a point there. Everyone
is doing the nineties, and I did not like her
wedding aesthetic. It looked more like a funeral. I love
how there's just been all these subtle digs from Chloe
and now Kim about just how ugly the wedding dress was.
I remember the last series, Chloe was on a light
(13:50):
detector and they asked her if she actually liked her look,
and she was so polite about it, but it was
a not yeah. Well. Courtney then accused Kim of not
being happy at her wedding because she wasn't the center
of attention, and Kim hit back, asking Courtney to reflect
on why she hates her and is angry with her.
She then twisted the knife, telling Courtney that she is
a group chat with her sister's friends called not Courtney
(14:12):
where they talk about her. She went on to say
that everyone in the family thinks she's different now, and
she even dropped that Courtney's kids have come to her
about their mum now. The argument escalated even further, and
Courtney called Kim a narcissist, a fucking witch, and said
she hated her and she didn't need them anymore now.
After this phone call, Courtney pulled out of their family
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trip to Carbo. I shouldn't laugh, but it is just
comical because as sisters, you really know what buttons to push,
and you just say the most horrible things. If a
friend said any of those things, you would never talk
to them. It's kind of funny because I've heard a
lot of commentary about this, and there's so many people
that are shocked about the way they spoke to each other,
(14:54):
like this is just normal sister talk. I mean, anyone
that's seen any of our fights on Instagram or TikTok
will know we basically talk to each other like this
on a commedys and I mean the Veronicas they had
their reality show and they spoke to each other exactly
the same. It must just been a sister thing. And
I was going to say maybe a multiple birth thing,
but the Kardashians aren't well they're just so close, so
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they work together. I think it's the work thing that
is brought into it, because, let's be honest, this is
really about the brand deal and hundreds of millions of
dot I just think it's just about the brand deal,
though I think goes deeper than that. And Courtney feels
very pigeon holed into this role in the Kardashians as
a supporting sister, and as you said, sisters know which
buttons to press. So the fact that she's saying that
(15:37):
Kim couldn't even be happy for her when it was
her one moment of being in the spotlight says a lot. Well,
Kim has always been the main character in that family.
There was a time when Kylie was almost the main character,
but Kim throughout the years really has never on the
reality show, though Kyle has never kind of been that
the most interesting person on there. True, but from a
statist perspective, Kylie was pretty big. Now there is there's
(16:00):
a theory that's floating around that the real reason Kim
and Courtney are fighting and it's all to do with
Travis Barker. So a copy of Travis's memoir from twenty
fifteen has been dug up, and it turns out he
had the hots for Kim. So he went into detail
about a trip to Amsterdam with him, Kim, and Paris
Hilton as well as Little Chris in the early two
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thousands and at the time, Kim was Paris's closet organizer
and during this trip, Travis said he couldn't keep his
eyes off Kim and said that she was fucking hot
and eye candy. Now, after the trip, he even took
her out to a couple of dinner and lunch dates. Now,
Travis claims he was on a break with his then
wife Shanna. However, Shanna has a different story. She has
(16:44):
accused Travis of cheating on her with Kim, and Shanner
even poured a drink over Kim at a party thrown
by Carmen a lecture around the time. So it's becoming
clearer and clearer. Why Courtney, he has been hating on
Kim so much? Yeah, Well, Shanna told us weekly, I
divorce my ex because I saw them, I caught them
having an affair. We were working on our marriage and
(17:05):
trying to heal through that affair. That in fidelity. He
continued to work with her and then I received all
the text messages and the other third parties kind of
let me know. It's something I was well aware of.
He is dating her sister now, so I think that
would be really weird. How Come we're only hearing about
this now because didn't he put out this memoir years
ago and no one's picked up, So it was in
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twenty fifteen. The thing is, Travis and Kim have both
denied that anything physical happened between them. It is interesting, though,
because when Travis came on the scene on The Kardashians,
the whole story was that he was so madly in
love with Courtney forever and they finally turned their friendship
into a relationship. But it seems like he just had
the hots for Kim the whole time. Oh, I mean
(17:47):
Corney and Kim. They both look quite similar. But I
could not stand marrying someone and knowing that they possibly
had sex with my sister, and also it was so
attracted to her that they wrote about it in their memory.
Isn't Courtney kind of in the wrong though, because if
Kim and Travis did have this little relationship a number
of years ago, isn't she sort of the sister that's
(18:09):
encroaching on that. Yeah, well, I found it interesting how
Kim said in that argument, Oh, maybe reflect on the
real reason why you hate me? And I wonder if
this is ever going to be addressed on the Kardashians,
because everyone is talking about this connection. That would just
kill me inside though, to know that my partner was
more interested in my other sister. That makes me feel
sad for Courtney because I know a lot of people
(18:31):
were saying they were team Kim. I'm still undecided because
there were elements where I felt, I don't know, just
so sorry for Courtney. What do you guys think about
the group chat though, because a lot of people were saying, oh,
it's so brutal to have all of her friends in
there and called not Courney. Are you talking about her
kids as well? Well, I think it's a clever name
for the group chat because at least you're not going
to get confused. But in the same time, I think
if we had a nasty chat without each other, the
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title would be a lot bit brutal. Those nasty chats
are literally just Amy, like old just bitch to Amy
individually about you or vice versa, Like it's so funny
when I grab one of your phones and I go
into like so it's like, I'm just driving, can you
message Amy? And most of the conversation beforehand is bitching
about me. Yeah, if it's taking it further by then,
including that person's friend. Courtney has come out and said
(19:14):
that she's done some detective work and that her friends
were not in the group chat, so she said on
a comment on Facebook. When she was asked about it,
she said, no. The members of that chat are namely Kim,
Chlobe Kendall, and Kylie Kay okay close. I can't understand
that though, particularly it would be more difficult in a
big family because you never know who's on your side.
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I mean, even with the three of us, I'll think
that one of you is on my side, and then
later I'll hear that you've been bitching about me or
vice versa. It's clear Courtney's friends are really pissed off
because she ended up sharing a screenshot from text messages
with her group of friends and they were saying how
Kim had completely thrown them under the bus, but the
group chat did not exist, and she's buying it. So
(19:56):
to me, it sounds like maybe Kim has more of
an issue with Travis, yes, because I feel like she's
always trying to drop these subtle things of you're different
now and you've changed, because really, Courtney has changed her
whole image since she started jading Travis. But I think
it's just that she's legitimately happy with him. I am
on Kim side because I do see this change with Courtney,
and I don't like the way she speaks to her
(20:17):
family and says I don't need you, I don't want
anything to do with you. I'm happier without you. And
I know that a lot of the time we're seeing
this said in the heat of the moment. But I
think that she actually believes that. I don't think she
I think she is moving away from that family. But
then again, she is a producer on The Kardashians as well,
so they clearly didn't mind this clip being it. Well.
I saw a lot of people saying, oh, it must
(20:38):
be fake. They clearly don't talk to each other. It's like, well, no,
I don't think it was fake at all. I mean,
it is obviously great timing. This is their premiere episode
for the season four. It's just editing like they would
have had that shot ages of gone thought, let's lead
in with this for the first episode, but it's also
just sisters, like we will have a hideous argument where
we're just cruel and nasty to each other, and then
(20:59):
one way you'll send me a reel on Instagram and
I'm like, hell yeah. Well, I just can't imagine how
awkward it must have been at Courtney's baby shower over
the weekend because Kim was in attendance. However, people noticed
that she didn't actually post any pictures or vision with Courtney.
So she did include a photo of Courtney and Travis kissing,
but that was it. Now. Courtney did share a bunch
(21:21):
of photos, but again she wasn't pictured with any of
her sisters. She did have a big group photo of
her and some friends. However, it was interesting because she
was standing up and all of the friends were surrounding
her at the bottom, and apparently Travis did have COVID
and it was a socially distanced baby shower, so I'm
wondering if her and Travis were just staying away from
all the guests that were there. Adelai fitness guru Kayla
(21:44):
had seen us is locked in a legal fight to
stop one of her former workout Buddies from launching a
competing exercise app. We've been seeing plenty of headlines this
week that fitness influence that Kayla has seen us and
cass Olholm are locked in a fierce court battle. Some
sections of the media are promoting this as Kayla verse
cass sharing images of the women's side by side and
(22:07):
playing into old gendered stereotypes, suggesting that the two women
are having a cat fight because we know that that's
what sells newspapers. In reality, Kayla wasn't even at this
court hearing, and the company she originally founded, called the
Bikini Body Training Company, are the ones who are seeking
the Supreme Court injunction to stop cases app from being launched.
(22:28):
What's amusing is that Kayla and Toby sold their business
to a US company called I Fit in twenty twenty one,
so she is a lot more removed from the company
now than the media would like you to believe. She
obviously still has her foot in the door a bit
because she is still one of the trainers on the
app and it is still undergoing the handover cross. She
is the face of the app. Yeah, I mean, I
(22:49):
can see why they're running with it, but it just
irritates me how the media portray and put the two
women's pictures next to each other and act like it's
this cat fight between the two of them, but it's
actually about a serious matter now. Cas was handpicked by
Kayler in twenty twenty to join Sweat as a trainer,
and before joining the app, she was a nutritionist and
a personal trainer with expertise in high intensity training. She
(23:11):
also ran a popular gym called Grounded, which she still
owns and before getting the call up, Cas had grown
an Instagram following of one hundred and twenty nine thousand
followers and today her following stands at three hundred and
sixty two thousand, so it's clear that she has been
propped up by being a part of the app. Yeah,
and at the time, Cas was interviewed about joining Sweat
and she said, it's surreal and crazy to be chosen.
(23:32):
It's so exciting and such an awesome opportunity to have
opportunity being the key word there, because, as you said, Kate,
her getting the exposure on Kayler at Sina's app was
huge for her and Cas was a contractor for Sweat
for over three years before leaving the fitness app in
February twenty twenty three, but despite her departure, she still
features on Sweat and she was a fixture on Kayla's
(23:55):
social channels across twenty twenty two. Now, the Bikini Body
Training Company is trying to block Cass from launching her
online training program called Train with Cass, alleging that she
is breaching a twelve month restraint of trade agreement. Yeah,
so Cass is trying to launch this app this month,
and she already has her website live and she's also
been promoting it across social media, saying her new program
(24:18):
will launch on the Apple Store on October twelfth. Now,
the app is very similar to Kayla's app. It offers
strength conditioning and also high intensity training. Well, even the
name Train with Cass, it's like called Sweat with Kayla,
Train with Cass very similar. Yeah. Now, the Bikini Body
Training Company they are hoping to block the launch of
the program until the first of March twenty twenty four,
(24:39):
making it twelve months since her departure from Sweat, But
her legal team argues that the restraint period expired after
six months, and the court has heard that Cass has
spent five hundred and eighty thousand dollars preparing the new
business kisses, because wouldn't it be pretty clear what the
contract states if it's twelve months or six months. It
seems odd that it's even got to this point. Yeah. Well,
(25:02):
if this case does continue, both parties will be spending
upwards of hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees,
and the judge has stepped in and said that both
parties should consider compromising to avoid spending very large sums
of money on lawyers. Well, you would also think that
this court case would just literally delay her launch to
March twenty twenty four. Anyway, it's giving a lot of
(25:23):
publicity actually, because those who didn't know about her or
didn't hear that she's launching it up now do Yeah. Well,
the judge suggested that could she launch in January because
that would then mean it's nine months since she left,
But the Bikini Body Training Company said that that's peak
time in the fitness industry, so they don't want her
to proceed, which is quite interesting because you know January first,
(25:44):
that is the time when everyone starts making up their
New Year's resolutions, so it's very clever that they want
her to wait until March when everyone's sort of given
up their fitness because October, again, it's just before summer,
and summer is usually the period that everyone wants to
start exercising. Quite awkward because an old post has resurfaced
which shows Cas standing alongside Kayla during a shoot for Sweat,
(26:06):
and she captured the photo. I'm so often confused by
women who compete against each other. I simply don't understand
it because I'm constantly trying to surround myself with strong, empowered,
humble women. I know that's awkward, but we've got to
remember it's not Kayla that is pulling the trigger on
these court cases and saying, oh, let's sue her. It's
actually coming from the company that she has sold. Navy
(26:27):
Cass doesn't want to be a part of Sweat anymore
because Toby and Kayla don't own it. Yeah, we don't
know what has happened since they left. Well, this isn't
the first time that Kayla and her team have taken
a rival fitness influencer to court. Do you remember back
in twenty fifteen there was a media storm because Kayla
and Toby took Leanne Ratliffe to court, and she is
better known as Freely the Banana Girl. I have never
(26:48):
heard her name before. That just doesn't even sound but
that's because didn't. Freely went on a rant and started
saying all these really damaging things about Kayler. Yeah, it
was a defamation case over her YouTube con and Kayla
was seeking for the videos to be removed. The matter
was settled out of court and Freely had to take
down all of the content. Now, I would assume that
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the Bikini Body company would have thought that this case
would have been settled out of court. So it seems
like Cass very much is standing her ground. So I'm
very interested to see what actually happens. How much money
does Cass have though, because if she spent over five
hundred thousand dollars creating the app and then she's got
upwards of hundreds of thousands of dollars to spend on
this court case, it's just crazy, but it shows you
(27:31):
how much money these apps are potentially making for her
to be like sticking to her guns in such a way. Well,
it might not be all her money either. I'm sure
she's got investors in the app, and then we just
slid off in the getaway car at the end. Shout
out to Taylor for coming through and see me rack
the stage. Travis Kelsey's ex, Kayla Nicole, has gone on
an unfollowing spree. The sports broadcaster and model dated Travis
(27:54):
on and off between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty two,
so things are fairly fresh anyway. She unfollowed Travis's teammate
Patrick Mayholmes, along with his wife Brittany and his brother Jackson.
Now all three still follow Kaylor and appear to be
close with her despite her split with Travis. Kayla was
such a good friend to Britney that she was even
a bridesmaid at her wedding. Now, Brittany does have one
(28:16):
point four million followers, so she probably hasn't noticed it
on follow. Oh you would notice. I would notice if
this was a very dear friend of mine. And it's
very interesting timing, isn't it. After they were all seen
with Taylor Swift at the recent Chiefs game. Well, it
is unclear when Kayla actually hit the unfollow button, but
it seems to be due to the fact that they
are hanging out with Taylor Swift. Because Brittany was spotted
(28:39):
standing right next to Taylor with her celebrity entourage at
the Chiefs game on Sunday. I couldn't believe there was
a photo and it was just Taylor, Blake, Lively, Ryan Reynolds,
and Sophie Turner, and I thought, no, wonder these tickets
are selling out. Apparently it's so hard to actually get
NFL tickets. Now, I think that Kayla's probably the only
woman in the world who is an enjoying following along
(29:01):
this love story. Can you imagine that, like you're dating
this guy for a couple of years, you break up,
and then he dates Taylor Swift like she's the most
likable person. I couldn't imagine having to then hate her
because you always disliked this. I do, girlfriend, I do
feel bad for her. Well, I'm jealous of all the
Chiefs players wives and girlfriends because this Brittany has got
herself in a great spot. Not only is she sitting
(29:23):
next to Taylor Swift at the games, but she's been
hanging out with her at dinners along with Blake and
Sophie the night before. They also had dinner after the
Chiefs game last week. Wouldn't you just feel so left
out if you were Kayla, because you were part of
this world, and then all these other cool people are in. Oh,
isn't she a sports reporter as well? So she's a
sports commentator. I all want to know, etiquette wise, when
(29:47):
can you unfollow your ex as friends? Well, in this instance,
if she didn't do it straight after the breakup, then
I don't think she should have timed it with the
friendship with Taylor Swift, because that just looks pettyous. She
feels betrayed because I can imagine that maybe she'd reached
out to those friends when all of this Taylor Swift
news was happening, and maybe they sided with her and
said it was unfair. We don't know what went on
(30:07):
behind closed doors. In terms of when you should delete
an ex's friends. I find it very offensive when you're
the one that's being broken up with and you see
their friends unfollowing. Yeah, yeah, that really hurts. Yeah. I
don't If I'm the friend of someone and they get
broken up with, I don't generally unfollow them. I just
keep them around. There are people who want to block
(30:29):
and wipe everyone so that you never see the X again,
But I don't think that that's healthy. I like to
have a stalk. Well, I think that's how we're going
to wrap it up. If you do want to hear
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