March 14, 2024 • 25 mins
Kurt Tiles is accused of glamorising smoking. The high paying oil rigging brand trip prank. Saffron Barker’s relationship backflip AND Em Davies’ gender reveal party.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Coming up on today's show, Kurt Tills is accused of
glamorizing smoking, the high paying oil rigging brand, Trip Prank,
Saffron Barker's relationship Backflip, and m Davies's gender Real Party.
Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm Kate Torbert.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We always seem to have a scary fashion update for millennials,
and this one may shock some people. Apparently after the
Oscars peplam tops are back. We have Emma Stone to
blame for this. Yes, so she wore a mint green
gown that the top of it was a peplam shape
and it was from Louisverton. So I think the fact
that this is a designer gown shows that this is
(00:49):
going to make a resurgence, and a lot of millennials
are scared because I remember wearing peplam tops. Everyone wore
them to nightclubs with big, chunky necklaces. It was almost
as though you were trying to look very business y,
and they had those big top buns as well. I
saw a TikTok recently and it said everyone in the
twenty tens, was just dressing up to nightclubs like they're
a secretary, and there were all these paparazzi shots of
(01:11):
all the celebrities at the time, and I thought, fuck,
we all looked so stupid because I actually remember probably
like every weekend I'd wear a blazer or something. Well,
the Peplin top. I actually don't mind it for a
business look, because I like the fact that there's a
bit of structure, but I definitely don't think that it
is an evening look. See. I was excited that it
(01:32):
was coming back because there's nothing better than wearing a
flowy top. I mean, all everyone's been complaining about these
crop tops and you're having to sit there and be,
you know, suck your stomach in. I'm welcoming the Peplin top,
particularly now that I'm pregnant. I think that I could
be rocking that right now. This makes me more confident
that skinny jeans are coming back as well, because a
(01:53):
Peplin top would look absolutely shitthouse with big baggy jeans,
because if it does have that nice lock out like
Emma Stone's dress, you've got to wear skinny jeans with it.
Do you guys remember those really tight cookhai tops. Yes
there the bra Yeah, you'd wear them under a blazer.
And I used to wear them a lot when I
worked as a journalist, and.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
All day they would just sit so tight on your stomach.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
You almost felt sick by the time you got to
the car because you'd also be crammed into these skinny jeans.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
It was unbearable.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I had one peplum top that I used to wear
to work all the time, and I actually bought it
accidentally a size too small, but it was quite expensive,
and I had this big zip at the back, and
one day I actually felt like I was going to
faint in this top, like it was I was tucked
in that tightly. See. I actually have two peplum tops
hanging in my wardrobe that I haven't thrown out. They're
(02:42):
probably six or seven years old. Maybe they were out
of date when I actually bought them.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I just threw mine out recently.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
That always happens, just as the trend comes back and
you've thrown it out, I've got to call you out. Sofi,
we were talking about business attire. I have noticed recently,
every time Sophie and I go to a meeting or
a shoot, you've got really nice clothes on, but they're
always covered in bakeup.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I don't know if it's really like grub life vibes.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
So I thought I looked quite professional, but sometimes when
I'm late to a meeting in the car, old powder
my face.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So why yeah, so why it gets.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Over my hands and if I touch my pants it
goes all over them. Sofia's got makeup handprints for auto car.
I love how you're casting your nose down at Sophie's
business attire, but you're sitting here in an.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Udi that has popcorns.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It lucky that we're not recording. We do want to
start actually filming episodes again, but I'm not dressed like this.
I am sitting in an udi because Kate has deminded
that the air condition to be put on, and it's
like twenty two degrees in here. It's yes, but it's
thirty two degrees here. Amy. I don't know. There's something
about you, maybe you're a lizard or something, but you
don't feel the heat at all. I'm in here literally sweltering.
(03:47):
I said I'm gonna faint in the sec. I think
I'm the normal one here because you are heating up
because you're pregnant. But then Amy is as you say
in this fucking Udie, it is cold in here, but
it's not that cold, well said Sophie. You're saying you're
the normal, You're the barhmeter of the weather. But every
time we have a Zoom meeting, it's hilarious. We jump
onto this like professional meeting. And so I always rocks
(04:08):
up in a singlet. Well that's what I wear around.
I think this just demonstrates how confused millennials are about
what to wear. I have no idea anymore, but I mean,
you look like a complete twat if you rock up
on Zoom and you're wearing a suit jacket. No one
wears a suit jacket around home, don't you.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And I've noticed that.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
You do that all the time. I do that sometimes,
like I'll have track pants on the bottom and then
on top, like most people do.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
They'll dress up on top.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
But if you're talking to someone important, and especially like
an older man, something about a singlet just looks unprofessional.
Don't you hate it when you miss the mark with
what you meant to wear on a Zoom. So you
are the person that's dressed up, You've got a beauty
light on. You've got all your hair and makeup done,
and then the person rocks up in their tracky dacks.
You're like, damn it, I didn't know that this.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Was the vibe.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I think it's a power play though, to be the
one that is dressed up. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, everyone else is definitely feeling like a dag.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
You put your mind to it, and you stop focusing
on the money aspect of trying to make a career
out of something and start doing it for the love
of it and creating these passion projects. It evolves into
something that's tangible that will become a career for you.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Kurt Tillis has been accused of glamorizing smoking. In a
recent Instagram post, the husband of self proclaimed holistic health
Princess Sarah's Day shocked his followers when he shared an
artsy photo of himself with his face concealed by a
black vela claver lighting a cigarette in his mouth. He
captured the photo the real thieves wear suits Now. The
(05:36):
backlash was swift, with many people calling Kurt out for
glamorizing smoking. One person wrote, I'm hoping the cigarette is
just a prop laugh out loud dope for pictures, yuck
for real life. Now, Kurt replied, confirming that the cigarette
was just a prop. Another person commented, I'm confused about
how a cigarette can be positive marketing. Again, he replied saying,
(05:58):
not marketing anything read caption, it's more of a statement
and then he added a winking emoji.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
What the hell does that mean?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
What statement are you trying to make? And also edgy
and can take cool photo. But it's also clearly been lost
on people because most of the comments were like what
is going on with that cigarette? The person actually responded
to Kurt saying, sorry, I still don't understand there's a
direct relationship between pop culture that shows slash normalizes, slash
glamorizes smoking and rates of smoking going up. For example,
(06:29):
there was a huge amount of women that took up
smoking after seeing Carrie Bradshaw on Sex in the City.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Kurt did not reply to that person's comment. Someone else
wrote the gangster side of Kurt, to which he responded, hahaha,
not a depiction of me, rather a concept I have
been thinking about for a while.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I hate all of.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
This art zy crap, like you're not deep enough to
understand this, but I get it.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I actually loved the comment.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Someone wrote Kurt that better be a gluten free organic
paleo SIGGI yes. A lot of the comments were focused
on what Sarah must think, so Sarah actually ended up
chiming in in the comments and wrote, I thought we
talked about this date number one, which I actually think
was pretty funny. It got over three hundred likes. I
was so confused and taken aback when I saw this
photo because both Kurt and Sarah have built a million
(07:17):
dollar empire off promoting a fit and healthy lifestyle. I
know on their original podcast, The Health Code, they spoke
a lot about how they don't drink, they don't smoke,
they don't do drugs, and this just seems in complete
contrast with that messaging in saying that Kurt seems to
be very different to the original version of himself that
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he put out. He doesn't seem to go to the
gym anymore. He's very invested in his business, he's got
a beer. I actually think from a videography perspective, he
just wanted to use the cool looking cigarette lighter because
the likes of Peter McKinnon, who he's a big photography influencer,
He's always doing stuff with lighters, and I think he's gone,
(07:59):
I want to incorporate this.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
What can I do?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
That's but then why does he have to be the
model in the shoot? Because Kerr is the founder and
creative director of creative production agency called House of Groms,
which he owns with Sarah, and you would think that
he would understand branding and marketing a little bit better
to know that this is very off brand for him,
and most of the commentary is going to be what
the hell is going on? So I think if he
(08:22):
wanted to explore this concept and messaging, like you said,
just get someone else to model it. I find it
strange that he's claiming that it's not for a brand.
I mean, I guess it's for his personal brand that
he's putting that up. And that's why it just seems
so stupid to be putting up a photo that is
in complete contrast to your actual healthy fitness brand that
(08:42):
you're known for.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I feel like they have done a little bit of
a backflip recently, because Sarah now talks about how, since
having her children, her relationship with food is very different.
It appears that she's no longer gluten free or dairy free.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
She talks about.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Drinking wine when she's out. As you touched on, Kurt
has been promoting alcohol brands recently. So maybe this is
all just a bit of a pr move for them,
and they're trying to get away from that holistic health
princess persona that they used to put on. Yeah, but
there's a difference between saying that you're allowing yourself to
actually eat an abundance of food and not be restrictive,
(09:18):
then actually promoting something like smoking, which is so terrible
for you and actually has consequences for your audience. But
what was it promoting then? Because himself like, is it
just an edgy photo shoot?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
He's done?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Well, he was trying to make a message, a clear
statement about something, it's like, but he couldn't even explain
what the statement was.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Wait, so what was the cat something about thieve?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
The real thieves wear suits.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Is he making a comment about consumerism?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Well it seems quite hypocritical if so, because their whole
brand is based on consumerism and selling things and marketing.
So I think there's a lot of confusion around his message.
So much though that he couldn't actually explain the message
when someone asked.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
I have to go on a brand troop.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Really, she won't come on it with me, and I
wanted to see if you would, But it's not till
the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Influencers are getting behind a new trend which sees them
pranking their loved ones by announcing they've landed a high
paying brand trip on an offshore oil rig Sophie, how
did this all start? Well, this was all started by
a US influencer called Olivia Masucci. Now she has over
one million TikTok followers, and she posted a video where
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she rang her dad and told him that she'd been
approached to go on a brand trip with an energy
company and on the trip they would have to do
underwater welding, but they would be paid a six figure fee.
Now this trend is gaining momentum in Australia with m
Davies jumping on it. So she posted a video to
TikTok facetiming her fiance asking if he'd come on a
(10:49):
brand trip with her to promote oil rigging. Now, she
claimed to her fiance that Lily Brown couldn't come with
her on the trip, so would he like to attend
This is absolutely classic.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Let's throw to what he said.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
All right, so you don't don't you don't want to
come up on this PHP oil rigging brand trip with me? No, no, nal,
not really into the oil me. They're paying me really well?
Oh yeah, fifty k for the three days. Yeah? What
(11:27):
type content do you have to do? Ol rigging? Oh? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
First, I'm a little bit disturbed that he didn't even
flinch when she mentioned the fifty thousand dollar feet. Yeah,
imagine how much she must be getting offered all the time.
Also the fact that he didn't actually say anything about
that it might not be a good idea for her
to align herself with an oil rigging company. He seemed
more interested in putting his sausage dog puppy on the
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FaceTime instead of actually being involved in the brand trip conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
More interested in putting his sausage on face.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Well.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Sammy Robinson has also partaken in this trend. This time
she has pranked her dad. Let's throw to what was.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Said weirdly BP. Next month, I'm bringing a bunch of
influencers to do an oil rigging.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Course, an oil review call no.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Oil rigging like under Underwater welding. Yeah, and I just
have to do like a couple of days of like
scuba diving. So I was thinking I could just get Annaboule.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
To teach me. Oh, Jesus Chicken, that's freaking weird. What
just explain what this thing is.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
We're just going to like learn how to do underwater
welding for like an oil rigging company.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I don't really why.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Why for what? Points?
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Well, I'm not sure that's why I'm calling you, because
I just thought it was a weird one, Like is
that a cool experience? Like can I go swimming? Is
it like cool swimming?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well, it's not. I'll mean, underwater welding is quite a
dangerous thing. I mean that's a POxy. Well, the g
underwater means you've got to get like a waterproof plame.
You know, it's underwater, and it's quite it's quite an
evasive thing, right. Actually, I just have no understanding why
they would want to take you to do that.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
She finished up by asking her dad if he wanted
to come along with her, and he replied saying that
he doesn't have a license to dive, and neither does she,
and apparently getting a license takes weeks of training. I
love that it's just been the dads and the boyfriends
that have been targeted by this brak, because surely if
they went to a friend, they'd say, wait, one, why
would you do this with HP?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And also that is not a true trip.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I was so surprised how her dad was getting into
such specifics and details, like you think he would immediately
say that's not a good idea, but he was like, well,
we can't really do it because we don't have the
diving license.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeh.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
But I thought that he was kind of trying not
to tell her what to do, Like I got the
vibe he didn't want to interfere in her career and
undermine her, so it was at no point that he
thought it was a good idea. Does this give insight
into how bizarre someme of the requests are for these
trips though? If they actually if this sounded normal to people.
Apparently just everyday people are also doing this prank on
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their friends and they're saying it's a new job opportunity
that's popped up and it's really high paying. I think
it is a reflection on the cost of living crisis
and the fact that people will do anything to make
some decent money. I wish Sammy Robinson had dropped how
much they were willing to pay her too, because I
would have loved to get an insight into how much
her going rate is. I reckon Katia Milan's manager should
(14:35):
try and prank her with this one, because she did.
We did speak about how a couple of weeks ago.
She's desperate to lock in some brand trips. Maybe that's
why her managers not doing it, because the response would
probably not be great pr for her. I wonder if
the marketing team at BHP are actually looking at this
and thinking, how could we twist this and make a
bit of a joke out of it that would be
(14:55):
good pr for us, Or maybe they saw how Elizabeth
Arden fared and are like, nuh, we're not getting in
to influence the troops. I'm actually surprised influencers are getting
in on this trend because I don't think it makes
them look very good, particularly someone like m Davies whose
boyfriend didn't even blink an eye lit at the fact
and didn't even try and tell her not to do it.
And also the mention of the fee, Like I just
(15:16):
don't think it looks good on any of them. Okay,
let's do my first ever bump date.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
We are seventeen weeks guys and a little baby girl
with them.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Over the weekend, Perth influencer m Davies and a fiance
Joel Gambin revealed to the world they're having a baby
girl in a backyard gender reveal party. Now, the couple
went all out with backdrop saying he or she what
will it be? And a large black gender revealed balloon
which had baby gambit printed on it. They really did
go all out, but it kind of reminded me of
(15:49):
gender reveal parties from back in the day when they
were more popular.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Well, I didn't realize that gender reveal parties have been
around since two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And it all started when a us.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
BLN shared in her blog post her cutting a cake
and revealing pink icing in the middle, and she said
that she actually regrets popularizing them because she finds that
they're quite problematic now because there's so much emphasis put
on what is the gender of the child, and then
it creates already all of these stereotypes.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And what you should do for your child.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
It was really nice to see how excited EM got
when the balloon popped and it was pink confetti. Her
partner didn't look as thrilled. Well, that's the.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Other thing that I find really awkward about gender.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Reveals is there's usually a very disappointed person. And it's
awkward because there have been a number of gender reveals
that have gone viral because both parties look incredibly disappointed. Well,
I got slammed because apparently I didn't show enough emotion
during my gender Well, that's what's difficult about it, because
it is a surprise, like how often do you capture
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yourself generally in a moment where you're surprised, But also
for me because I was happy either way, Like I
did have a little bit more of a preference towards
a girl, just because I've grown up with sisters, but
I was happy to have a boy for me. It
wasn't this whole Yahoo moment where I'm screaming with delight
because it's like, oh cool I get to know. But
(17:09):
I mean I'm quite a reserved person. Yeah, there is
a bit of pressure, isn't it, on how to actually react.
That's why it seems very performative. Going back to EM's
gender revial. She said the whole time through her pregnancy
that she's had this gut feeling that it's a girl,
and she said that it's an angel sent from her
mum in heaven. So it was a really special moment
that she did capture. It's funny though, because I've been
(17:30):
watching all her TikTok content and on there, she's been
really excited about this announcement. However, when she was on
Lily Brown's podcast this week, I got a totally different
vibe from her at an office just because she was
around her friend. But the tone I got was that
we do know that it wasn't a planned pregnancy, but
it was a real shock and something that she struggled
(17:53):
with quite a bit. And for me, I would have
preferred her to talk about that on her TikTok rather
than the very glamorized pregnancy announcement. Like I mean, I
get that you don't want to overly promote the fact
that you were shocked about it, but it would have
seemed a bit more genuine because the vibe I got
was so different on the podcast you can't really put
(18:13):
up an announcement and seemed a bit bummed in it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Like you've got to actually go nah.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I'm excited, but then you could tell the backstory. Yeah,
But for m she clearly realizes that pregnancy is big
business for something, and that's how I felt. I felt
like it was okay, I'm going to use this as
a bit of a marketing tactic, whereas I think a
lot of women would have actually related more if she
had been honest and said, wow, this is a real
shock because I'm getting married.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
This wasn't something that we had actually planned.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, but at the end of the day, if you're
having a baby, maybe you're thinking about, well, I want
to bring in a few extra dollars while I can.
And for a lot of pregnancy brands, it's difficult for
them to find ambassadors because there's such a small window
in pregnancy that you can actually have someone promoting these
pregnancy brands. Because when you think about it, if you
wait for three months to announce your pregnancy, that's really
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only five to six months that you can have that
person talking about all the pregnancy products that they're using. Well,
actually seven months, well oh my is my mouth' to
be off. But well, for her, as you said, Kay,
her whole content on TikTok is Now about pregnancy cravings.
She created two videos asking her followers to help her
select her gender revealed dress. She actually ended up going
(19:22):
for a Sammy Robinson number. So it's a one mile
gold dress. And it's quite funny because when she put
up her announcement post, Sammy Robinson wade in saying that
she felt so honored that she wore her dress for
the occasion. Of course she did because so many people
would be like, I need that dress now.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Good morning everyone.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
UK. YouTuber Saffron Barker has hit back at claims she's
ended her romance with sportsman Lewis Reese zambit Now. As
discussed on the podcast last week, the pair sparked breakup
rumors when they unfollowed each other on Instagram, and they
didn't just unfollow each other. It seemed like Saffron wanted
to make it very clear that Lewis had wronged her,
(20:04):
so she ended up unpinning photos of them together on
her Instagram feed, as well as liking comments that insinuated
Lewis had cheated on her. She also decided to delete
a photo of the tattoo that she recently got of
Lewis's initials. It also appears that maybe she blocked him
because all of their tagged photos and comments disappeared from
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each other's accounts, which is a telltale sign. And there
was a lot of people talking about this on TikTok,
but it also made the UK press. Yeah, it was
in the Daily Mail and the Sun. It was being
splashed everywhere. Now a week on and the couple have
done a complete backflip. Saffron responded to a TikTok comment
asking if she and Lewis were together, writing was all
(20:46):
just a big misunderstanding and we are together and so
happy now. A source close to the couple has also
released a statement to media saying Saffron and Lewis are
very much together and have not split. They are happy
in their relationship and continue to focus on their careers.
Lewis has remained faithful to Saffron throughout their relationship and
(21:07):
they remain a strong couple navigating a long distance relationship.
So if we're reading between the lines, Saffron has called
this a misunderstanding, So what I take from that is
that yes, she has thought that Lewis was cheating on there.
Someone has sent through some screenshots of him cheating, and
he has talked his way out of it. He has
turned things around, saying it's all not true. This is
(21:29):
just so embarrassing for everyone involved. Now, I do need
to mention the pair of them are twenty three, so
I get it. I have been through shit relationships in
my early twenties, and I probably would have done petty
things like this, except I don't have a public platform.
You would have thought Saffron would have learned not to
air her dirty laundry in public before she knew the
full story. I feel a bit sorry for her though,
(21:52):
because it's really embarrassing, as you said, and she's got
this relationship podcast, and of course a lot of the
people who follow her are now waiting to see what
she actually says when she's come back. So she's been
in Dubai for a holiday. So this week she dropped
an episode and it was.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Some boring thing about dreams.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Well.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I thought it was weird because normally they talk about
relationship topics, so it did seem like they were trying
to distract away from it. But then again, I do
think perhaps the episode was recorded before she went away.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
It definitely was.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It was a filler episode. So now the spotlight is
going to be next Tuesday when she drops her episode,
because she has been talking a lot about Lewis in it,
and she's also been kind of giving a lot of
advice to her friend UK influencer Anastasia kings North about
how you should be treated in a relation. She keeps
saying if he wanted to, he would. I think the
thing that is sad is that everyone can see through
(22:41):
this media statement and I can just I feel for
the manager who's had to put this together because said job.
A lot of people have been saying it's Wendy her mother,
who's written, well, it would be awkward to have to
be like, oh, so, so was he faithful to you?
And she has to be like, no, you have to
put this out. I don't like though, because everyone's been
putting the blame on Saffron. They're like, she's so clingy
because if you look back at her tiktoks, she did
(23:02):
one about what their baby would look like in AI
and everyone's been calling her a stage five clinger, and
now I think a lot of her haters are just
relishing in the fact that she's come out of this
looking foolish.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
When can't we just focus on the fact that clearly
this guy's a dickhead. It will be.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Really interesting to see if she's got a clear pr
strategy in trying to rebuild him, because she made their
relationship look perfect online and that illusion has been shuttered now,
so it will be really difficult to see him in
a vlog again.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Not to think he's a complete work guy, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I mean, he's come out of this looking quite bad.
I know the focus is on Saffron, which is just
gendered and really unfair. I just want to see what's
going down in her group chat with Anastagia kings North,
because her podcast is meant to be a bit of
an insight. They kind of have it like it's a
FaceTime conversation, but I want to see what are they
really saying because all of her friends and family unfollowed
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him and now they've had to do the dirty follow back.
I would more like to see her friend chat without
her in it, because that telltale story of the poor
girl who's being lied to and just wants to believe
the fantasy of what he's saying. I think it really
suits Saffron at the moment. That he is still over
in the US. So what I think will happen is
she'll go quite quiet on the relationship, but then she'll
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amp it up when she goes and visits him or
they meet up in the maur Diar. Really, I think,
if anything, she'll want to make it clear that they're
still together and that they're going strong. Now she won't
be seeing a lot of him, She won't address it,
but will see a lot of their perfect relationships. How
do we see a lot of it when he's in
the US. And then it'll probably be like, oh, here's
another love letter he sent me, here's a package. She
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knows that people can read between the lines. You don't
want to be putting that content out there, particularly on TikTok,
because everyone will be ripping into it.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Well, we'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Because surely having a relationship podcast, she's going to have
to address the rumors at some point. Yeah. Well, even
not addressing them speaks volumes as well, because she'll have
to at some point say my boyfriend or my ex. Well,
I think that's all we've got time for today. Thanks
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We pay respect to elders past and present.
Coming up on today's show, Kurt Tills is accused of
glamorizing smoking, the high paying oil rigging brand, Trip Prank,
Saffron Barker's relationship Backflip, and m Davies's gender Real Party.
Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm Kate Torbert.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We always seem to have a scary fashion update for millennials,
and this one may shock some people. Apparently after the
Oscars peplam tops are back. We have Emma Stone to
blame for this. Yes, so she wore a mint green
gown that the top of it was a peplam shape
and it was from Louisverton. So I think the fact
that this is a designer gown shows that this is
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going to make a resurgence, and a lot of millennials
are scared because I remember wearing peplam tops. Everyone wore
them to nightclubs with big, chunky necklaces. It was almost
as though you were trying to look very business y,
and they had those big top buns as well. I
saw a TikTok recently and it said everyone in the
twenty tens, was just dressing up to nightclubs like they're
a secretary, and there were all these paparazzi shots of
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all the celebrities at the time, and I thought, fuck,
we all looked so stupid because I actually remember probably
like every weekend I'd wear a blazer or something. Well,
the Peplin top. I actually don't mind it for a
business look, because I like the fact that there's a
bit of structure, but I definitely don't think that it
is an evening look. See. I was excited that it
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was coming back because there's nothing better than wearing a
flowy top. I mean, all everyone's been complaining about these
crop tops and you're having to sit there and be,
you know, suck your stomach in. I'm welcoming the Peplin top,
particularly now that I'm pregnant. I think that I could
be rocking that right now. This makes me more confident
that skinny jeans are coming back as well, because a
(01:53):
Peplin top would look absolutely shitthouse with big baggy jeans,
because if it does have that nice lock out like
Emma Stone's dress, you've got to wear skinny jeans with it.
Do you guys remember those really tight cookhai tops. Yes
there the bra Yeah, you'd wear them under a blazer.
And I used to wear them a lot when I
worked as a journalist, and.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
All day they would just sit so tight on your stomach.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
You almost felt sick by the time you got to
the car because you'd also be crammed into these skinny jeans.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
It was unbearable.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I had one peplum top that I used to wear
to work all the time, and I actually bought it
accidentally a size too small, but it was quite expensive,
and I had this big zip at the back, and
one day I actually felt like I was going to
faint in this top, like it was I was tucked
in that tightly. See. I actually have two peplum tops
hanging in my wardrobe that I haven't thrown out. They're
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probably six or seven years old. Maybe they were out
of date when I actually bought them.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I just threw mine out recently.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
That always happens, just as the trend comes back and
you've thrown it out, I've got to call you out. Sofi,
we were talking about business attire. I have noticed recently,
every time Sophie and I go to a meeting or
a shoot, you've got really nice clothes on, but they're
always covered in bakeup.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I don't know if it's really like grub life vibes.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
So I thought I looked quite professional, but sometimes when
I'm late to a meeting in the car, old powder
my face.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So why yeah, so why it gets.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Over my hands and if I touch my pants it
goes all over them. Sofia's got makeup handprints for auto car.
I love how you're casting your nose down at Sophie's
business attire, but you're sitting here in an.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Udi that has popcorns.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It lucky that we're not recording. We do want to
start actually filming episodes again, but I'm not dressed like this.
I am sitting in an udi because Kate has deminded
that the air condition to be put on, and it's
like twenty two degrees in here. It's yes, but it's
thirty two degrees here. Amy. I don't know. There's something
about you, maybe you're a lizard or something, but you
don't feel the heat at all. I'm in here literally sweltering.
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I said I'm gonna faint in the sec. I think
I'm the normal one here because you are heating up
because you're pregnant. But then Amy is as you say
in this fucking Udie, it is cold in here, but
it's not that cold, well said Sophie. You're saying you're
the normal, You're the barhmeter of the weather. But every
time we have a Zoom meeting, it's hilarious. We jump
onto this like professional meeting. And so I always rocks
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up in a singlet. Well that's what I wear around.
I think this just demonstrates how confused millennials are about
what to wear. I have no idea anymore, but I mean,
you look like a complete twat if you rock up
on Zoom and you're wearing a suit jacket. No one
wears a suit jacket around home, don't you.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And I've noticed that.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
You do that all the time. I do that sometimes,
like I'll have track pants on the bottom and then
on top, like most people do.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
They'll dress up on top.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
But if you're talking to someone important, and especially like
an older man, something about a singlet just looks unprofessional.
Don't you hate it when you miss the mark with
what you meant to wear on a Zoom. So you
are the person that's dressed up, You've got a beauty
light on. You've got all your hair and makeup done,
and then the person rocks up in their tracky dacks.
You're like, damn it, I didn't know that this.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Was the vibe.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I think it's a power play though, to be the
one that is dressed up. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, everyone else is definitely feeling like a dag.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
You put your mind to it, and you stop focusing
on the money aspect of trying to make a career
out of something and start doing it for the love
of it and creating these passion projects. It evolves into
something that's tangible that will become a career for you.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Kurt Tillis has been accused of glamorizing smoking. In a
recent Instagram post, the husband of self proclaimed holistic health
Princess Sarah's Day shocked his followers when he shared an
artsy photo of himself with his face concealed by a
black vela claver lighting a cigarette in his mouth. He
captured the photo the real thieves wear suits Now. The
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backlash was swift, with many people calling Kurt out for
glamorizing smoking. One person wrote, I'm hoping the cigarette is
just a prop laugh out loud dope for pictures, yuck
for real life. Now, Kurt replied, confirming that the cigarette
was just a prop. Another person commented, I'm confused about
how a cigarette can be positive marketing. Again, he replied saying,
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not marketing anything read caption, it's more of a statement
and then he added a winking emoji.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
What the hell does that mean?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
What statement are you trying to make? And also edgy
and can take cool photo. But it's also clearly been lost
on people because most of the comments were like what
is going on with that cigarette? The person actually responded
to Kurt saying, sorry, I still don't understand there's a
direct relationship between pop culture that shows slash normalizes, slash
glamorizes smoking and rates of smoking going up. For example,
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there was a huge amount of women that took up
smoking after seeing Carrie Bradshaw on Sex in the City.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Kurt did not reply to that person's comment. Someone else
wrote the gangster side of Kurt, to which he responded, hahaha,
not a depiction of me, rather a concept I have
been thinking about for a while.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I hate all of.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
This art zy crap, like you're not deep enough to
understand this, but I get it.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I actually loved the comment.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Someone wrote Kurt that better be a gluten free organic
paleo SIGGI yes. A lot of the comments were focused
on what Sarah must think, so Sarah actually ended up
chiming in in the comments and wrote, I thought we
talked about this date number one, which I actually think
was pretty funny. It got over three hundred likes. I
was so confused and taken aback when I saw this
photo because both Kurt and Sarah have built a million
(07:17):
dollar empire off promoting a fit and healthy lifestyle. I
know on their original podcast, The Health Code, they spoke
a lot about how they don't drink, they don't smoke,
they don't do drugs, and this just seems in complete
contrast with that messaging in saying that Kurt seems to
be very different to the original version of himself that
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he put out. He doesn't seem to go to the
gym anymore. He's very invested in his business, he's got
a beer. I actually think from a videography perspective, he
just wanted to use the cool looking cigarette lighter because
the likes of Peter McKinnon, who he's a big photography influencer,
He's always doing stuff with lighters, and I think he's gone,
(07:59):
I want to incorporate this.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
What can I do?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
That's but then why does he have to be the
model in the shoot? Because Kerr is the founder and
creative director of creative production agency called House of Groms,
which he owns with Sarah, and you would think that
he would understand branding and marketing a little bit better
to know that this is very off brand for him,
and most of the commentary is going to be what
the hell is going on? So I think if he
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wanted to explore this concept and messaging, like you said,
just get someone else to model it. I find it
strange that he's claiming that it's not for a brand.
I mean, I guess it's for his personal brand that
he's putting that up. And that's why it just seems
so stupid to be putting up a photo that is
in complete contrast to your actual healthy fitness brand that
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you're known for.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I feel like they have done a little bit of
a backflip recently, because Sarah now talks about how, since
having her children, her relationship with food is very different.
It appears that she's no longer gluten free or dairy free.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
She talks about.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Drinking wine when she's out. As you touched on, Kurt
has been promoting alcohol brands recently. So maybe this is
all just a bit of a pr move for them,
and they're trying to get away from that holistic health
princess persona that they used to put on. Yeah, but
there's a difference between saying that you're allowing yourself to
actually eat an abundance of food and not be restrictive,
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then actually promoting something like smoking, which is so terrible
for you and actually has consequences for your audience. But
what was it promoting then? Because himself like, is it
just an edgy photo shoot?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
He's done?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Well, he was trying to make a message, a clear
statement about something, it's like, but he couldn't even explain
what the statement was.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Wait, so what was the cat something about thieve?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
The real thieves wear suits.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Is he making a comment about consumerism?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Well it seems quite hypocritical if so, because their whole
brand is based on consumerism and selling things and marketing.
So I think there's a lot of confusion around his message.
So much though that he couldn't actually explain the message
when someone asked.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
I have to go on a brand troop.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Really, she won't come on it with me, and I
wanted to see if you would, But it's not till
the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Influencers are getting behind a new trend which sees them
pranking their loved ones by announcing they've landed a high
paying brand trip on an offshore oil rig Sophie, how
did this all start? Well, this was all started by
a US influencer called Olivia Masucci. Now she has over
one million TikTok followers, and she posted a video where
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she rang her dad and told him that she'd been
approached to go on a brand trip with an energy
company and on the trip they would have to do
underwater welding, but they would be paid a six figure fee.
Now this trend is gaining momentum in Australia with m
Davies jumping on it. So she posted a video to
TikTok facetiming her fiance asking if he'd come on a
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brand trip with her to promote oil rigging. Now, she
claimed to her fiance that Lily Brown couldn't come with
her on the trip, so would he like to attend
This is absolutely classic.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Let's throw to what he said.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
All right, so you don't don't you don't want to
come up on this PHP oil rigging brand trip with me? No, no, nal,
not really into the oil me. They're paying me really well?
Oh yeah, fifty k for the three days. Yeah? What
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type content do you have to do? Ol rigging? Oh? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
First, I'm a little bit disturbed that he didn't even
flinch when she mentioned the fifty thousand dollar feet. Yeah,
imagine how much she must be getting offered all the time.
Also the fact that he didn't actually say anything about
that it might not be a good idea for her
to align herself with an oil rigging company. He seemed
more interested in putting his sausage dog puppy on the
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FaceTime instead of actually being involved in the brand trip conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
More interested in putting his sausage on face.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Well.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Sammy Robinson has also partaken in this trend. This time
she has pranked her dad. Let's throw to what was.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Said weirdly BP. Next month, I'm bringing a bunch of
influencers to do an oil rigging.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Course, an oil review call no.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Oil rigging like under Underwater welding. Yeah, and I just
have to do like a couple of days of like
scuba diving. So I was thinking I could just get Annaboule.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
To teach me. Oh, Jesus Chicken, that's freaking weird. What
just explain what this thing is.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
We're just going to like learn how to do underwater
welding for like an oil rigging company.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I don't really why.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Why for what? Points?
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Well, I'm not sure that's why I'm calling you, because
I just thought it was a weird one, Like is
that a cool experience? Like can I go swimming? Is
it like cool swimming?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well, it's not. I'll mean, underwater welding is quite a
dangerous thing. I mean that's a POxy. Well, the g
underwater means you've got to get like a waterproof plame.
You know, it's underwater, and it's quite it's quite an
evasive thing, right. Actually, I just have no understanding why
they would want to take you to do that.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
She finished up by asking her dad if he wanted
to come along with her, and he replied saying that
he doesn't have a license to dive, and neither does she,
and apparently getting a license takes weeks of training. I
love that it's just been the dads and the boyfriends
that have been targeted by this brak, because surely if
they went to a friend, they'd say, wait, one, why
would you do this with HP?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And also that is not a true trip.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I was so surprised how her dad was getting into
such specifics and details, like you think he would immediately
say that's not a good idea, but he was like, well,
we can't really do it because we don't have the
diving license.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeh.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
But I thought that he was kind of trying not
to tell her what to do, Like I got the
vibe he didn't want to interfere in her career and
undermine her, so it was at no point that he
thought it was a good idea. Does this give insight
into how bizarre someme of the requests are for these
trips though? If they actually if this sounded normal to people.
Apparently just everyday people are also doing this prank on
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their friends and they're saying it's a new job opportunity
that's popped up and it's really high paying. I think
it is a reflection on the cost of living crisis
and the fact that people will do anything to make
some decent money. I wish Sammy Robinson had dropped how
much they were willing to pay her too, because I
would have loved to get an insight into how much
her going rate is. I reckon Katia Milan's manager should
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try and prank her with this one, because she did.
We did speak about how a couple of weeks ago.
She's desperate to lock in some brand trips. Maybe that's
why her managers not doing it, because the response would
probably not be great pr for her. I wonder if
the marketing team at BHP are actually looking at this
and thinking, how could we twist this and make a
bit of a joke out of it that would be
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good pr for us, Or maybe they saw how Elizabeth
Arden fared and are like, nuh, we're not getting in
to influence the troops. I'm actually surprised influencers are getting
in on this trend because I don't think it makes
them look very good, particularly someone like m Davies whose
boyfriend didn't even blink an eye lit at the fact
and didn't even try and tell her not to do it.
And also the mention of the fee, Like I just
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don't think it looks good on any of them. Okay,
let's do my first ever bump date.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
We are seventeen weeks guys and a little baby girl
with them.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Over the weekend, Perth influencer m Davies and a fiance
Joel Gambin revealed to the world they're having a baby
girl in a backyard gender reveal party. Now, the couple
went all out with backdrop saying he or she what
will it be? And a large black gender revealed balloon
which had baby gambit printed on it. They really did
go all out, but it kind of reminded me of
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gender reveal parties from back in the day when they
were more popular.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Well, I didn't realize that gender reveal parties have been
around since two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And it all started when a us.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
BLN shared in her blog post her cutting a cake
and revealing pink icing in the middle, and she said
that she actually regrets popularizing them because she finds that
they're quite problematic now because there's so much emphasis put
on what is the gender of the child, and then
it creates already all of these stereotypes.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And what you should do for your child.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
It was really nice to see how excited EM got
when the balloon popped and it was pink confetti. Her
partner didn't look as thrilled. Well, that's the.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Other thing that I find really awkward about gender.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Reveals is there's usually a very disappointed person. And it's
awkward because there have been a number of gender reveals
that have gone viral because both parties look incredibly disappointed. Well,
I got slammed because apparently I didn't show enough emotion
during my gender Well, that's what's difficult about it, because
it is a surprise, like how often do you capture
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yourself generally in a moment where you're surprised, But also
for me because I was happy either way, Like I
did have a little bit more of a preference towards
a girl, just because I've grown up with sisters, but
I was happy to have a boy for me. It
wasn't this whole Yahoo moment where I'm screaming with delight
because it's like, oh cool I get to know. But
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I mean I'm quite a reserved person. Yeah, there is
a bit of pressure, isn't it, on how to actually react.
That's why it seems very performative. Going back to EM's
gender revial. She said the whole time through her pregnancy
that she's had this gut feeling that it's a girl,
and she said that it's an angel sent from her
mum in heaven. So it was a really special moment
that she did capture. It's funny though, because I've been
(17:30):
watching all her TikTok content and on there, she's been
really excited about this announcement. However, when she was on
Lily Brown's podcast this week, I got a totally different
vibe from her at an office just because she was
around her friend. But the tone I got was that
we do know that it wasn't a planned pregnancy, but
it was a real shock and something that she struggled
(17:53):
with quite a bit. And for me, I would have
preferred her to talk about that on her TikTok rather
than the very glamorized pregnancy announcement. Like I mean, I
get that you don't want to overly promote the fact
that you were shocked about it, but it would have
seemed a bit more genuine because the vibe I got
was so different on the podcast you can't really put
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up an announcement and seemed a bit bummed in it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Like you've got to actually go nah.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I'm excited, but then you could tell the backstory. Yeah,
But for m she clearly realizes that pregnancy is big
business for something, and that's how I felt. I felt
like it was okay, I'm going to use this as
a bit of a marketing tactic, whereas I think a
lot of women would have actually related more if she
had been honest and said, wow, this is a real
shock because I'm getting married.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
This wasn't something that we had actually planned.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, but at the end of the day, if you're
having a baby, maybe you're thinking about, well, I want
to bring in a few extra dollars while I can.
And for a lot of pregnancy brands, it's difficult for
them to find ambassadors because there's such a small window
in pregnancy that you can actually have someone promoting these
pregnancy brands. Because when you think about it, if you
wait for three months to announce your pregnancy, that's really
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only five to six months that you can have that
person talking about all the pregnancy products that they're using. Well,
actually seven months, well oh my is my mouth' to
be off. But well, for her, as you said, Kay,
her whole content on TikTok is Now about pregnancy cravings.
She created two videos asking her followers to help her
select her gender revealed dress. She actually ended up going
(19:22):
for a Sammy Robinson number. So it's a one mile
gold dress. And it's quite funny because when she put
up her announcement post, Sammy Robinson wade in saying that
she felt so honored that she wore her dress for
the occasion. Of course she did because so many people
would be like, I need that dress now.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Good morning everyone.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
UK. YouTuber Saffron Barker has hit back at claims she's
ended her romance with sportsman Lewis Reese zambit Now. As
discussed on the podcast last week, the pair sparked breakup
rumors when they unfollowed each other on Instagram, and they
didn't just unfollow each other. It seemed like Saffron wanted
to make it very clear that Lewis had wronged her,
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so she ended up unpinning photos of them together on
her Instagram feed, as well as liking comments that insinuated
Lewis had cheated on her. She also decided to delete
a photo of the tattoo that she recently got of
Lewis's initials. It also appears that maybe she blocked him
because all of their tagged photos and comments disappeared from
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each other's accounts, which is a telltale sign. And there
was a lot of people talking about this on TikTok,
but it also made the UK press. Yeah, it was
in the Daily Mail and the Sun. It was being
splashed everywhere. Now a week on and the couple have
done a complete backflip. Saffron responded to a TikTok comment
asking if she and Lewis were together, writing was all
(20:46):
just a big misunderstanding and we are together and so
happy now. A source close to the couple has also
released a statement to media saying Saffron and Lewis are
very much together and have not split. They are happy
in their relationship and continue to focus on their careers.
Lewis has remained faithful to Saffron throughout their relationship and
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they remain a strong couple navigating a long distance relationship.
So if we're reading between the lines, Saffron has called
this a misunderstanding, So what I take from that is
that yes, she has thought that Lewis was cheating on there.
Someone has sent through some screenshots of him cheating, and
he has talked his way out of it. He has
turned things around, saying it's all not true. This is
(21:29):
just so embarrassing for everyone involved. Now, I do need
to mention the pair of them are twenty three, so
I get it. I have been through shit relationships in
my early twenties, and I probably would have done petty
things like this, except I don't have a public platform.
You would have thought Saffron would have learned not to
air her dirty laundry in public before she knew the
full story. I feel a bit sorry for her though,
(21:52):
because it's really embarrassing, as you said, and she's got
this relationship podcast, and of course a lot of the
people who follow her are now waiting to see what
she actually says when she's come back. So she's been
in Dubai for a holiday. So this week she dropped
an episode and it was.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Some boring thing about dreams.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Well.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I thought it was weird because normally they talk about
relationship topics, so it did seem like they were trying
to distract away from it. But then again, I do
think perhaps the episode was recorded before she went away.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
It definitely was.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It was a filler episode. So now the spotlight is
going to be next Tuesday when she drops her episode,
because she has been talking a lot about Lewis in it,
and she's also been kind of giving a lot of
advice to her friend UK influencer Anastasia kings North about
how you should be treated in a relation. She keeps
saying if he wanted to, he would. I think the
thing that is sad is that everyone can see through
(22:41):
this media statement and I can just I feel for
the manager who's had to put this together because said job.
A lot of people have been saying it's Wendy her mother,
who's written, well, it would be awkward to have to
be like, oh, so, so was he faithful to you?
And she has to be like, no, you have to
put this out. I don't like though, because everyone's been
putting the blame on Saffron. They're like, she's so clingy
because if you look back at her tiktoks, she did
(23:02):
one about what their baby would look like in AI
and everyone's been calling her a stage five clinger, and
now I think a lot of her haters are just
relishing in the fact that she's come out of this
looking foolish.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
When can't we just focus on the fact that clearly
this guy's a dickhead. It will be.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Really interesting to see if she's got a clear pr
strategy in trying to rebuild him, because she made their
relationship look perfect online and that illusion has been shuttered now,
so it will be really difficult to see him in
a vlog again.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Not to think he's a complete work guy, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I mean, he's come out of this looking quite bad.
I know the focus is on Saffron, which is just
gendered and really unfair. I just want to see what's
going down in her group chat with Anastagia kings North,
because her podcast is meant to be a bit of
an insight. They kind of have it like it's a
FaceTime conversation, but I want to see what are they
really saying because all of her friends and family unfollowed
(23:55):
him and now they've had to do the dirty follow back.
I would more like to see her friend chat without
her in it, because that telltale story of the poor
girl who's being lied to and just wants to believe
the fantasy of what he's saying. I think it really
suits Saffron at the moment. That he is still over
in the US. So what I think will happen is
she'll go quite quiet on the relationship, but then she'll
(24:18):
amp it up when she goes and visits him or
they meet up in the maur Diar. Really, I think,
if anything, she'll want to make it clear that they're
still together and that they're going strong. Now she won't
be seeing a lot of him, She won't address it,
but will see a lot of their perfect relationships. How
do we see a lot of it when he's in
the US. And then it'll probably be like, oh, here's
another love letter he sent me, here's a package. She
(24:40):
knows that people can read between the lines. You don't
want to be putting that content out there, particularly on TikTok,
because everyone will be ripping into it.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Well, we'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Because surely having a relationship podcast, she's going to have
to address the rumors at some point. Yeah. Well, even
not addressing them speaks volumes as well, because she'll have
to at some point say my boyfriend or my ex. Well,
I think that's all we've got time for today. Thanks
for joining us for another episode. If you do enjoy
the podcast, please leave us a five star review. Also,
(25:10):
I do love it when people share where they're listening
to the podcast from. This podcast was recorded on the
traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
We pay respect to elders past and present.
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