July 11, 2024 • 28 mins
Indy Clinton has sparked debate after launching subscriber only content on her TikTok.
Steph Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw have addressed rumours of a feud after reports of a bust up on a luxury holiday.
Sarah’s Day has revealed she's got a thing for calling her kids after brands she works with.
And the reason why a video of Bec Judd applying fake tan went viral.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show. Bet Judd
triggers fans in viral fake tan video. Indy Clinton sparks
debate after launching subscriber only content on TikTok, and Steph
Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw address feud rumors. But first,
(00:27):
Sarah's Day has revealed she's got a thing for calling
her kids after brand she works with. This week, Sarah,
who is pregnant with her third son, released a YouTube
video revealing the list of girls' names she won't be using.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'll say one of my favorite names.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Now, Bloom.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We were going to call Fox Bloom. If he was
a girl, We're going to call her him. We're gonna
call the baby if it was a girl, Bloom.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Harper.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So Harper for a meddle name I love. Unfortunately, I
feel like it's so popular now. I feel like every
second girl I meet is a Harper. But still I
think it's a bitautiful name.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Bloom is a really beautiful name. But all I could
think about was back in twenty eighteen, when Sarah first
fell pregnant, she brought out a drink called body Bloom
with Trepeka, and it was this pink powder that she
used to stir into water and it was supposed to
help with your digestion and your hair health. And she
was really pushing all the time. And it's quite funny
because she ended up calling her firstborn son Fox, and
(01:24):
so many followers at the time drew parallel between Fox
and White Fox Boutique, who she also has an active
wear line with. Maybe she's getting some kind of kickback
from the brands for naming her kids after them. I mean,
maybe it's just a subconscious thing where those names on
her mind because they're part of her day to day life. Well,
Bloom was also the name of Chloe Zep's app I Rememonderre,
(01:46):
so it was a very popular name that was being
thrown around in twenty eighteen. I don't think I've ever
met a child called Bloom. He said it was a
beautiful name. I don't really think of it as being
a child's name. I can't imagine calling any of my
kids Bloom. But when she said it, I was like, oh,
that is very pretty. Maybe as a middle name. It
was quite funny because when I was watching this YouTube,
(02:06):
she also mentioned she liked the name as May, which
sounds a lot like skincare brand Esmi, who she works
with her And I'm like, is she trolling us now?
I'm just surprised that she didn't try and weave Trepeek
her in because it's kind of a cute kid's name. Well,
she doesn't work with them anymore. And the thing about
Sarah is she only works with a handful of brands.
That's why this whole naming thing is so obvious, because
(02:29):
you're like, those are just the key brands that she works.
Maybe she could call her son Grom the after house
of Grom's. It was interesting to see the way that
Sarah approached selecting names. It almost felt like she was
holding a branding meeting because she really wants her kids'
names to align with her overall Sarah's day branding and
the vibe that she's created for herself online. It wouldn't
(02:50):
be on brand for her to pop out a kid
and call it Jessica or James. It has to be
something unique. And when she was talking through the name,
she would say, I really like this name because has
a cool, surfey girl vibe or a skater vibe, or
she would say that a name was fashioned forward or
had an old money vibe. It's funny because initially I
was thinking, Wow, she has thought about this for way
(03:12):
too long. And normally no one really cares as much
as you do about some of these milestone moments in
your life, like your wedding or your children's names. But
in this case, people actually do care a lot what
Sarah names her kids. She's got a lot of eyeballs
on her well. As I said, she can't just do
something run of the meal and normal. I mean, she's
got a kid called Fox Ocean and one called Malachi Coher,
(03:33):
so she's got to have a name that fits in
with the rest of them. I was really keen to
hear what she was going to call baby number three
if it was a girl and this name didn't disappoint.
Here's what she said.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Honestly, if I was pregnant right now with the girl,
I think I would call her Della, Cammy, Chloe, Oh
my gosh, I don't know, I can't, don't, I don't
even know. Oh, Matilda or Tiggy. Okay, I'm going with Tiggy,
going with og Tiggy Tills. I think that is such
a cool name. So if I have a surprise fourth girl,
watch out for Tiki Tills roaming the streets.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
It reminds me of the supermodel Twiggy, but just with
the W missing it sounds like a fucking pissed take.
I'm kind of torn because I think that those names
can be kind of cool, Like, for instance, my partner
really wants our kids to have a name that starts
with H and our last name is Hancock, and I
think it kind of work if you get the right name.
It kind of reminds me of when Kanye West and
(04:28):
Kim Kardashian got pregnant and everyone were joking that they
should call their kid Northwest, and it sounded so ridiculous
at the time, but of course they went on to
have their daughter Northwest, and now the name just sounds
so normal. So I assume it'd be the same with
Tiggy Tills. At first, you're like, what the fuck, but
then it grows on you might work, It might grow
on you well. Some of the more unique names that
(04:50):
Sarah also had on a list were London Love, Tiger, Winslow, Bambi,
Aspen and Munro. So a bit like Marilyn Monroe. Do
you have to have actually visited the city before you
name your kid after it? I think that you should
have it. It's a bit like Victoria Beckham how she
and David decided to call their son Brooklyn because she
(05:10):
found out she was pregnant in Brooklyn. I feel like
you've got to have some connection with the city that
you name your child. Maybe I could call the baby Cronulla. Cronulla.
That's got quite nice. It was conceived and born in Cronulla.
I was quite surprised to hear some of the mainstream names,
like she really liked the name Chloe, Isabelle, and Matilda,
but she said that she would avoid Matilda as it's
too popular. I was gonna say, isn't Tilly like the
(05:31):
most popular name at the moment because of the Matilda's
soccer team, and then also just because it's cute names? Yeah,
I really like that name. Sarah said that she wishes
if she was called Tilly, and that's what might actually
forced my partner to watch this video with me, and
he said the funniest thing about the whole video. Is
that she's coming up with all these like wacky and
unique names, yet her name is Sarah. Yeah, like that
is like the stereotypical, Like the most popular millennial name
(05:54):
is Sarah and probably the plainest name. Hey, guys, welcome
to my house. I've got Jakine's I read didn't do
my glad, so come get ready with me. A video
of Beck Judd applying fake tan while standing in her
pristine white bedroom has gone viral now. The video, which
was filmed as part of a paid partnership with fake
tan company Sprayos, showed Beck in a black bikini applying
(06:17):
fake tan as she answered questions about herself for eight minutes.
And I am not over selling this, Sophie. This room
had white floorboards, a white rug, a white ottoman, and
white cupboard. I am still having a bit of PTSD
from watching this video because as an avid fake tanner,
I just was like, oh my god, something is going
(06:37):
to get spilled on this white At one point in
the video, Beck put her leg up on the ottoman
to tan it, which almost sent me over the edge.
I think that was just asking for trouble. But she
applied this fake tan like a pro there was no spillage,
absolutely no contact with any of the white furniture. I
did hold my breath at one point during this video
(06:57):
when she accidentally knocked the bottle over on the ottoman
and she let out the girliest shriek. It was so funny,
but thankfully nothing came out. I don't know about you,
because you didn't do it often, Amy, but when I
fake tan, I tan in my bathroom and there will
be one point where I'll knock the bottle over, or
I'll leave my mit on the basin, and tan goes everywhere.
(07:19):
So I was very impressed by Beck's skills here. Yeah,
she certainly looked like she knew her way around a
fake tanning myt I wondered did she film it in
her bedroom because her bathroom was too dirty? Because why,
I mean, obviously, most people I would assume would do
their fake tan just after they'd gotten out of the shower.
Why would you ever do it in that room? Well,
(07:40):
I want to know if this was a strategy to
get people talking, because I know in some videos people
purposely try to do something distracting, like they'll pronounce something wrong,
like say lingerie. Don't fucking say that? Was a genuine
So you said it the same I know, but that's
how we just say it. But I'm triggering people, Yeah,
(08:01):
but apparently that's how Americans say, oh is it Yeah?
I just thought it was us being annoying. But anyway,
back to this, I did wonder if it was some
sort of strategy to get people engaging in the comments section,
because they knew that people would be triggered by someone
tanning in a very white room. On the other hand,
I think that she probably just wanted to shoot somewhere aesthetics.
(08:21):
She probably had a nice big mirror that she could
put her camera up on and film for Well, that's
the other thing I wondered. Perhaps maybe the lighting was
better in there at that time of day. Well, the
other thing that triggered me in this video was that
she faked tan with her hair down, so her hair
was all beautifully curled and she was going to do
her back and just her hair just went all in
the tan. She finally put it up in a high bun.
(08:44):
But I mean, I can't have anything like I have
to have my hair straight back. But do you think
when people do those videos they just instantly wash off
the tan because it would be hard to do it
properly with your bathers on. I don't know, because it
looked like she applied it pretty well. I've got to
say spray Oz must be wrap with this collaboration because
usually their videos attracted around ten thousand views. Because at
(09:05):
the time of recording, this video has had over three
hundred and sixty seven thousand views, and the engagement rate
was huge. There were six hundred and twenty seven send
ons and one hundred and sixteen comments, and the comments
were hilarious. One follower wrote, Eeke that fresh ten near
the fresh White is giving me chills, whilst another said me,
(09:26):
just watching you ten on the Ottoman is making me rock.
Also thinking you're so talented for not getting it on
there hard. I wondered if maybe Spraye's had some kind
of promotion where their ten didn't stain, or there was
some kind of tie in, but no, maybe every room
in Brett Judd's house is just as white and she
just thought fuck it true well. As part of this
(09:49):
eight minute video, Beck took part in a viral beauty
trend where she told followers about herself while applying fake
ten and I've been seeing this a bit on TikTok.
I think it's a really great marketing strategy because no
one wants to sit and watch a video where an
influencer just tries to sell you the product the whole
time to talk about the product and explain the product.
(10:10):
And I mean it was eight minutes, and I was
hooked because I am a bit of a fan of
Beck Jud. I mean, we did do a deep dive
on Beck Judd last year, but even I found out
new information about her in this video, and the biggest
takeaway for me was that she said her first son, Oscar,
was an accident. So Beck was talking about how she
was working as a speech pathologist at the time before
(10:33):
she fell pregnant. Here's what she said. I stayed there
until I got pregnant with Oscar. Accidentally got pregnant after
I tride too many champagnes at Oak Stay in two
thousand and.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Ten. I accidentally got pregnant before my ready and.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Went on Mattley from my job at the Alfred and
then I never went back, like I'd never gone back
to speech pathology. I really liked how she just had
fun with it. I don't think she's ever told that story.
Before a lot of people said it felt like she
was just talking to her girlfriends, and she was praised
in the comments section for being really down to earth.
One admission that surprised me was when Beck said that
she wasn't very maternal. I still live, I've got four kids.
(11:15):
How did I have four kids? I'm not maternal. I
don't really love kids. I'm not the all, let me
hold the baby type of person. You know when your
friends have babies and a let's to hold the baby.
I don't hold the baby. I am good. Four kids
is a lot so funny people laughing about you are
the least maternal person and you're the one who ended
(11:35):
up with four kids. But I do love my kids
so much. I'm obsessed with them. I really liked seeing
this side of Beck because I think a lot of
millennials and Gen Zettas could relate to not particularly feeling maternal,
because we're this generation that have grown up focusing on
our careers and other aspects of our life, and sometimes
you can think, oh, why don't I feel this certain
(11:56):
way towards kids, Why don't I have this pool But
to hear her say on that maternal, but it's actually
great having kids, and I love them and I'm obsessed
with them. Yeah, but I think that's a big difference
between liking other people's children and liking your own. Sometimes apurently,
we got Aloha for content, but while we get a
dog and magilard hell for content. Indy Clinton has sparked
(12:19):
debate after launching subscriber only content on her TikTok so
for nine to ninety a month, subscribers get access to
exclusive TikTok lives and also videos. Now. So far, Indy
has uploaded three subscriber videos, with the rest of the
videos still free to view. I was kind of surprised
when I saw that only five hundred and ninety six
(12:41):
of Indy's one point nine million followers had subscribed. It
does equal around six thousand dollars a month, which equates
to seventy two thousand dollars a year. However, there is
a catch, so TikTok takes home fifty percent of the profits,
leaving Indy with three thousand a month and thirty six
thousand dollars a year. I saw a lot of comments
(13:03):
from followers saying, oh my god, I can't believe how
much she's taking home a month just for putting up
a few extra TikTok videos. But when you break it
down and see the large percentages that some platforms are
taking from creators, it is quite large, a meaning even
with Sense a lot, even with us we have a
subscription podcast, and at the very beginning in the first year,
(13:24):
Apple takes quite a large chunk of that. It does,
and it continues to take quite a big chunk of
it too. But if you look at it, say Indy
doesn't gain any more followers, which is really unlikely. I'm
sure she'll pick up a lot more subscribers. That's not
that much for Indy when you think about how much
she could make for a single brand deal. That's the thing.
When India announced that she was going to have this
(13:44):
new subscription offering on TikTok, she said it came down
to the fact that she doesn't want to push out
ads and work with brands that she doesn't align with.
I wonder if she thought she would be signing on
more than this. I mean, I sure that number will grow.
The reaction from Indie's followers was really mixed, so some
people were disappointed and thought it might mean they're going
(14:05):
to start missing out on parts of Indy's life, whilst
others said it's no different to other influencers starting Patreon
accounts or subscription channels on Instagram. Other followers blame TikTok
for not allowing Australian creators to sign up to the
very lucrative TikTok Creator Fund, which has been around since
twenty twenty. Last year, that fund was replaced by a
(14:26):
new model, which is called the Creativity Program, and creators
are paid per every thousand views, so the more views
you get, the more money you make. So for example,
if her creator gets one million views on a video,
they earned just under two thousand US dollars. It's so
unfair because this program is only available to creators in
the US, UK, France, Germany, Spain and Italy. I would
(14:50):
be so pissed off if I was a creator like
Indy Clinton, because she could be making so much more
money by doing this, and as she referenced, actually taking
on less SPONSORSHI deals, which would be I suppose more
authentic to her followers. Well, there have been rumors since
October that Australia might be granted access to this program,
but so far it looks unlikely. There are a couple
(15:12):
of loopholes with this program. So the videos have to
be a minute long, you can only use royalty free music,
you have to be over the age of eighteen, and
you have to at least have ten thousand followers and
one hundred thousand views within thirty days to be eligible.
Now they are saying that this new initiative will pay
out twenty times more than the old fund did, But
(15:35):
because of these loopholes, it makes it a lot more difficult.
Because if you think about those huge viral videos on TikTok,
a lot of them are popular because they'll use trending tracks,
and if you're not allowed to use that, it cuts
out a lot of those viral modes. But also there
were a lot of clips that were going off on
TikTok that will say ten seconds long, because TikTok rewards
the creator if someone watches the video in its entirety
(15:57):
and if they watch it over and over again, which
obviously if it's a ten second video, you might sit
there and watch it a few times. Yeah, it does
seem to be part of TikTok's overall strategy to motivate
creators to make longer form content and also higher quality content.
It seems like they're trying to steal a lot of
creators over from YouTube. I mean, nowadays you would probably
go to TikTok to watch daily flocks as opposed to YouTube,
(16:21):
and I think is the way that we view TikTok
has changed. Before it was just these short clips, but
now you go to TikTok when you're bored and want
to be entertained. I think we're going to see a
lot more influencers and creators opting to share their lives
on subscriber platforms, and this is due to a lot
of the negativity and hate they receive, because I think
we're seeing a lot of influencers holding back because I
(16:43):
think there's a lot of influencers who don't want to
be vulnerable on their main accounts because they're fearful of
what's going to come. Especially on TikTok. Everyone's so vicious
on there. The difficult thing about the way social media
works now is we're constantly being fed these short form
videos from people who we don't follow, So a lot
of the time these videos lack any context, which will
(17:03):
lead to people jumping on and making assumptions and usually
being quite rude to that creator. So I can see
why influencers would turn around and say, hey, I'm only
going to be vulnerable or open up to my core
community of people who support me. I'm not gonna I'm
gonna put parameters around who I share content with. Yeah,
but they might lose followers by doing that or subsequently
(17:24):
not actually grow their followership because people want to see
real and raw content and people do get pissed off
when it is suddenly behind a paywall. I'm not blaming
Indy though, because I think it's clever. She's obviously not
receiving any money from the TikTok creator fund. She's one
of Australia's most popular TikTok creators. I find it interesting though,
if you look at what content she's decided to put
(17:45):
behind the paywall, and I think that's what sparked a
bit of not anger, but a bit of I suppose
questions have been raised by her followers because the first
video was her dog Billy meeting her new puppy, and
we spoke on the podcast on Tuesday. There's been a
bit of controversy around her dog Billy potentially nipping at
(18:05):
some of her children, so a lot of her followers
have been interested to see how the two dogs interact
with each other. Yeah, it was an interesting one to
keep behind the paywall like and see why she did it.
She probably thought, I can't be bothered with everyone's comments
today and back. She actually did put up a TikTok
video today where she commented on her and she was
saying to her husband Ben, let's rename Aloha to be
(18:27):
content because everyone is apparently claiming that I bought this
dog for content. And then Ben was like, why the
fuck would we make our life even harder just for content?
Like he was beside himself. I mean, one point we
didn't really mention on the podcast on Tuesday was the
fact that Indy's brand is known as being chaotic, so
adding a puppy to the mix was very on brand
(18:48):
for her. We're about to go into all of the
This week. Fitness entrepreneurs Steph Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw
released a three part series on their podcast about how
they've navigated to the toughest conversations in their friendship. This
was a real tease, wasn't it, Because there's been conversations
online about a supposed feud between Laura and Steph. Yeah.
(19:10):
And to me, when they promoted the episode like this,
I thought, oh my god, they're going to give us
all of the dirt on what went down in this
popper corn room. Yeah, because this was a very publicized fight.
So back in May, the Daily Mail reported that there
was a rift between the famous fitness duo and these
two have been friends for ten years. They launched Kickback
in twenty fifteen and they have quickly had to work
(19:31):
out how to run a business with a friend. So
the Daily Mail reported that a year and a half ago,
Steph and Laura had a bust up during a luxury holiday.
So the article said that the women were enjoying a
getaway with their husbands Dalton and Josh when a fight
broke out, and it claimed that their partners were forced
to intervene and split up the conflict before the fight
(19:53):
became nastiest. So it sounded like things got very tense.
It almost sounded like there was like about to be
a physical altercation. Yeah, And I think people kind of
loved this article because everyone, in their own weird way
almost wants there to be a fight between Steph and Laura.
It's like this sick thing of like nobody. I don't
know it's because they appear perfect, but I also think
(20:15):
it's because society and the media has an obsession with
pitying two successful women against each other. You might be
wondering how the Daily Mail ascertained these details because they
don't have a good track record of getting things right.
So they built this story around an interview that Laura
did on the Share My Mood podcast. So in the interview,
(20:36):
Laura mentioned that they had a fight, but she didn't
say what triggered it. She did say that their husbands
had convinced them to sit down and be open with
each other, So I mean she didn't say that they
had a punch up or anything like that. Now, Stephan,
Laura addressed the Daily Mail article at the start of
the episode, saying this, but.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
It is something that we've been wanting to talk to
you guys about for a while.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And tackles some.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Less than ideal kind of headlines that have been out.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
There about us. And I think that obviously the headline
that we had a rift and our husbands had to
split up, a nasty fight yea between us is something
we want to talk about. So as you can hear,
the women confirmed there was no physical contact between them
and their husbands did not have to hold them back.
This was the most open they got during the podcast, though,
(21:28):
because the rest of the very long, forty five minute
conversation it just went around in circles. I felt like
I was this friend listening into this conversation, but I
was out of the loop because they never once addressed
what this fight was about. It's like they thought, geez,
the Daily Mail got a lot of clicks for that's headline.
Fuck it, We'll just recycle it for the podcast and
(21:49):
get the clicks. I mean, particularly because this was promoted
as a three part episode, so you're thinking, wow, there
must be a lot for them to tell. What are
they telling for the next two parts? So what they're
actually doing for the next two parts is they're having
this coach on who is to coach they it's like
this relationship coach, but she actually works for their business,
so she's an advisor for Kick and she was the
(22:10):
person who they had a very difficult conversation with about
their friendship. So I don't know if it was their
way of thinking, well, we're going to have this woman
on an episode. Let's try and make it a little
bit personal by pretending that we're going to go into
our fight. Maybe we could hire her for this podcast. Oh,
that would probably be helpful. We'd probably need to speak
to someone about the way we talk to each other.
I enjoyed hearing about what went down on night one
(22:32):
of their trip, though, because this is where we sort
of got an idea of what happened. So they said
that their husband stayed up with a bottle of wine,
and they got into a d and M about their
wives and the stresses that they were bringing home from work,
and they discovered that both Steph and Laura had been
venting about one another. So Dalton and Josh thought, Okay,
(22:52):
the best way that we're going to resolve this situation
is to have an intervention. So their husband's whilst probably
half tanked and wine, We're like, let's discuss it, guys. Well,
they didn't discuss it. Then they waited for the next night,
like two. The girls thought that they were going to
watch a movie together, and then the two guys came
in and said, we've got to talk about this. Fancy
(23:13):
your husband just throwing you under the bus like, oh, yeah,
she actually has been bitching about your wife as well.
I think that shows how men approach things so differently,
because I think that they would have wholeheardly felt like,
let's just talk about it and resolve things straight away
and that'll nip it in the bud, whereas most women
were emotional creatures. We don't want a fight to be
sprung on us. And it is embarrassing and almost like
(23:36):
could ruin your friendship to say, hey, they've been bitching
about your everything. They probably didn't say it like that,
but they probably just said, look, we've had a chat
and it seems like you both are feeling the same
feelings about each other. Well, what we discovered during this
podcast episode is that there seemed to be some sort
of tension around Steph returning to the office after maternity leave.
(23:58):
So Steph said her son, Harvey, was a year and
a half at the time of this fight, and Laura
seemed to be having all of these built up feelings
towards it. Again, they didn't actually say what the feelings were.
It's not really surprising considering Laura has brought out this
other podcast series about whether she wants to have kids,
or not. I think it's definitely opened her eyes to
how difficult it actually is for working mums. This fight
(24:21):
must have been pretty bad, though, because Steph said that
she felt like the worst friend after it and felt
really yung, and she felt on eggshells around Laura and
really awkward around her. I can see I didn't what
I actually really feel for Steph and Laura, because it's
easy for Kate, Sophie and I like Sofa and I
run a pr business together. And well, not that it's
easier because you say things to your family members that
(24:44):
you would never say to anybody else. It's more that
you would forgive a family member where you might not
forgive a friend. One juicy nugget that Steph did drop
in this conversation is that Steph worried that Laura didn't
want to be her friend anymore after she became a mum.
Here's what she said.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I mean, one thing I had to work through in
therapy recently was like, there's a I don't know if
I've had this conversation with you, but like there's a
bit of an attachment thing with me and you, And
there was a period there where I was like genuinely
fearful because of the different phase of life that I
was in that you just didn't get me anymore and
we were going to fall out of friendship awesome, and
(25:21):
so I was trying to do everything that I could
to still make sure you liked me, because I was
never you've metals.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I don't believe I just did that, as you said, Amy.
This was even more interesting because Laura has recently launched
that podcast where she interviews people about basically not wanting
to have kids, and it sounds like she's not into
the whole fool. It sounds like it's a big thing
for her at the moment. She's obviously spending a lot
of time thinking about it. I know people have said
that they didn't really drop much. I disagree. It's more
(25:54):
so you need to listen to this podcast with the
sort of and read into it a bit more like
I haven't dropped, oh I said this, and yeah, but
you can read into a lot of this. But like,
to be honest, like when you just want to sit
down and listen to a podcast, you've been so have
this clickbait thing. Oh, we're going to go into this
epic fight that we had and then for forty seven minutes,
(26:16):
you have to piece together what the fuck went on?
Like it did my head and listening to it the
Amazon I got through it was for this podcast. Like
we've had people message in our group saying, is it
worth investing in this? No, it's not just listening to
this podcat Maybe though, the counsel who will get to
the bottom of it, because they do ask tough questions,
So maybe she's going to be like, well, what is
(26:36):
it that annoys you or you know what happened to this?
It's it's going to be like asking questions on behalf
of listeners. I think it's going to be that sort
of scenario. I know we've spoken about it a few
times on the podcast, but they really are going there
with their content because it confuses me. They literally tell
you every detail about their sex life, yet they can't
tell us what they had a part about it. The
(26:57):
other day, I was shocked. I went on news dot
com today you and I saw this headline and it
was something about one dangerous sex act that Laura Henshaw did.
It was something along those lines, and I clicked on
the article and it was talking about her admission that
she used a cucumber as a sex toy. And then
it was this full article about statistics showing how dangerous
(27:19):
it can be to use you know, objects around the house.
I just thought, my gosh, it's a PR team celebrating
that one, like you know, you get runs on the
board forgetting well to be fair. I did actually think, oh,
maybe I'll listen to that episode. Yeah, I mean listen
to those ones. Maybe give this one a little bit
of a miss because it was all over the place.
I think the issue is that when you promise that
(27:39):
you're going to address a fight and then you leave
your listeners in the dark, it does open up interpretation.
So I know, as soon as I finished listening to this,
I rank it up and we started speculating on what
else the fight could have been about. And my version
of things are probably way worse than what this fight
actually was, you know what I mean, Like people are
just going to be like, holy fuck, they're closing. Geez,
(28:01):
these girls can't get along, like it might make the
Daily might make the Daily Mail listen to this and
cut little excerpts from it and make up more of
a story. Well, I think that's all we've got time
for today. Thank you so much for listening to another
episode of Outspoken. We are on Instagram and TikTok at
Outspoken Underscore the Underscore podcast, So for and I also
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want to hear more from us. We dropped a subscriber
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I don't think anyone would be shocked or slash interested
in that whatsoever. But we did this relationship quiz, which
is a quiz that you do to get to know
each other better. It was a bit of fun. Now.
This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the
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Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to
elders past and present.
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show. Bet Judd
triggers fans in viral fake tan video. Indy Clinton sparks
debate after launching subscriber only content on TikTok, and Steph
Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw address feud rumors. But first,
(00:27):
Sarah's Day has revealed she's got a thing for calling
her kids after brand she works with. This week, Sarah,
who is pregnant with her third son, released a YouTube
video revealing the list of girls' names she won't be using.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'll say one of my favorite names.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Now, Bloom.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We were going to call Fox Bloom. If he was
a girl, We're going to call her him. We're gonna
call the baby if it was a girl, Bloom.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Harper.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So Harper for a meddle name I love. Unfortunately, I
feel like it's so popular now. I feel like every
second girl I meet is a Harper. But still I
think it's a bitautiful name.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Bloom is a really beautiful name. But all I could
think about was back in twenty eighteen, when Sarah first
fell pregnant, she brought out a drink called body Bloom
with Trepeka, and it was this pink powder that she
used to stir into water and it was supposed to
help with your digestion and your hair health. And she
was really pushing all the time. And it's quite funny
because she ended up calling her firstborn son Fox, and
(01:24):
so many followers at the time drew parallel between Fox
and White Fox Boutique, who she also has an active
wear line with. Maybe she's getting some kind of kickback
from the brands for naming her kids after them. I mean,
maybe it's just a subconscious thing where those names on
her mind because they're part of her day to day life. Well,
Bloom was also the name of Chloe Zep's app I Rememonderre,
(01:46):
so it was a very popular name that was being
thrown around in twenty eighteen. I don't think I've ever
met a child called Bloom. He said it was a
beautiful name. I don't really think of it as being
a child's name. I can't imagine calling any of my
kids Bloom. But when she said it, I was like, oh,
that is very pretty. Maybe as a middle name. It
was quite funny because when I was watching this YouTube,
(02:06):
she also mentioned she liked the name as May, which
sounds a lot like skincare brand Esmi, who she works
with her And I'm like, is she trolling us now?
I'm just surprised that she didn't try and weave Trepeek
her in because it's kind of a cute kid's name. Well,
she doesn't work with them anymore. And the thing about
Sarah is she only works with a handful of brands.
That's why this whole naming thing is so obvious, because
(02:29):
you're like, those are just the key brands that she works.
Maybe she could call her son Grom the after house
of Grom's. It was interesting to see the way that
Sarah approached selecting names. It almost felt like she was
holding a branding meeting because she really wants her kids'
names to align with her overall Sarah's day branding and
the vibe that she's created for herself online. It wouldn't
(02:50):
be on brand for her to pop out a kid
and call it Jessica or James. It has to be
something unique. And when she was talking through the name,
she would say, I really like this name because has
a cool, surfey girl vibe or a skater vibe, or
she would say that a name was fashioned forward or
had an old money vibe. It's funny because initially I
was thinking, Wow, she has thought about this for way
(03:12):
too long. And normally no one really cares as much
as you do about some of these milestone moments in
your life, like your wedding or your children's names. But
in this case, people actually do care a lot what
Sarah names her kids. She's got a lot of eyeballs
on her well. As I said, she can't just do
something run of the meal and normal. I mean, she's
got a kid called Fox Ocean and one called Malachi Coher,
(03:33):
so she's got to have a name that fits in
with the rest of them. I was really keen to
hear what she was going to call baby number three
if it was a girl and this name didn't disappoint.
Here's what she said.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Honestly, if I was pregnant right now with the girl,
I think I would call her Della, Cammy, Chloe, Oh
my gosh, I don't know, I can't, don't, I don't
even know. Oh, Matilda or Tiggy. Okay, I'm going with Tiggy,
going with og Tiggy Tills. I think that is such
a cool name. So if I have a surprise fourth girl,
watch out for Tiki Tills roaming the streets.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
It reminds me of the supermodel Twiggy, but just with
the W missing it sounds like a fucking pissed take.
I'm kind of torn because I think that those names
can be kind of cool, Like, for instance, my partner
really wants our kids to have a name that starts
with H and our last name is Hancock, and I
think it kind of work if you get the right name.
It kind of reminds me of when Kanye West and
(04:28):
Kim Kardashian got pregnant and everyone were joking that they
should call their kid Northwest, and it sounded so ridiculous
at the time, but of course they went on to
have their daughter Northwest, and now the name just sounds
so normal. So I assume it'd be the same with
Tiggy Tills. At first, you're like, what the fuck, but
then it grows on you might work, It might grow
on you well. Some of the more unique names that
(04:50):
Sarah also had on a list were London Love, Tiger, Winslow, Bambi,
Aspen and Munro. So a bit like Marilyn Monroe. Do
you have to have actually visited the city before you
name your kid after it? I think that you should
have it. It's a bit like Victoria Beckham how she
and David decided to call their son Brooklyn because she
(05:10):
found out she was pregnant in Brooklyn. I feel like
you've got to have some connection with the city that
you name your child. Maybe I could call the baby Cronulla. Cronulla.
That's got quite nice. It was conceived and born in Cronulla.
I was quite surprised to hear some of the mainstream names,
like she really liked the name Chloe, Isabelle, and Matilda,
but she said that she would avoid Matilda as it's
too popular. I was gonna say, isn't Tilly like the
(05:31):
most popular name at the moment because of the Matilda's
soccer team, and then also just because it's cute names? Yeah,
I really like that name. Sarah said that she wishes
if she was called Tilly, and that's what might actually
forced my partner to watch this video with me, and
he said the funniest thing about the whole video. Is
that she's coming up with all these like wacky and
unique names, yet her name is Sarah. Yeah, like that
is like the stereotypical, Like the most popular millennial name
(05:54):
is Sarah and probably the plainest name. Hey, guys, welcome
to my house. I've got Jakine's I read didn't do
my glad, so come get ready with me. A video
of Beck Judd applying fake tan while standing in her
pristine white bedroom has gone viral now. The video, which
was filmed as part of a paid partnership with fake
tan company Sprayos, showed Beck in a black bikini applying
(06:17):
fake tan as she answered questions about herself for eight minutes.
And I am not over selling this, Sophie. This room
had white floorboards, a white rug, a white ottoman, and
white cupboard. I am still having a bit of PTSD
from watching this video because as an avid fake tanner,
I just was like, oh my god, something is going
(06:37):
to get spilled on this white At one point in
the video, Beck put her leg up on the ottoman
to tan it, which almost sent me over the edge.
I think that was just asking for trouble. But she
applied this fake tan like a pro there was no spillage,
absolutely no contact with any of the white furniture. I
did hold my breath at one point during this video
(06:57):
when she accidentally knocked the bottle over on the ottoman
and she let out the girliest shriek. It was so funny,
but thankfully nothing came out. I don't know about you,
because you didn't do it often, Amy, but when I
fake tan, I tan in my bathroom and there will
be one point where I'll knock the bottle over, or
I'll leave my mit on the basin, and tan goes everywhere.
(07:19):
So I was very impressed by Beck's skills here. Yeah,
she certainly looked like she knew her way around a
fake tanning myt I wondered did she film it in
her bedroom because her bathroom was too dirty? Because why,
I mean, obviously, most people I would assume would do
their fake tan just after they'd gotten out of the shower.
Why would you ever do it in that room? Well,
(07:40):
I want to know if this was a strategy to
get people talking, because I know in some videos people
purposely try to do something distracting, like they'll pronounce something wrong,
like say lingerie. Don't fucking say that? Was a genuine
So you said it the same I know, but that's
how we just say it. But I'm triggering people, Yeah,
(08:01):
but apparently that's how Americans say, oh is it Yeah?
I just thought it was us being annoying. But anyway,
back to this, I did wonder if it was some
sort of strategy to get people engaging in the comments section,
because they knew that people would be triggered by someone
tanning in a very white room. On the other hand,
I think that she probably just wanted to shoot somewhere aesthetics.
(08:21):
She probably had a nice big mirror that she could
put her camera up on and film for Well, that's
the other thing I wondered. Perhaps maybe the lighting was
better in there at that time of day. Well, the
other thing that triggered me in this video was that
she faked tan with her hair down, so her hair
was all beautifully curled and she was going to do
her back and just her hair just went all in
the tan. She finally put it up in a high bun.
(08:44):
But I mean, I can't have anything like I have
to have my hair straight back. But do you think
when people do those videos they just instantly wash off
the tan because it would be hard to do it
properly with your bathers on. I don't know, because it
looked like she applied it pretty well. I've got to
say spray Oz must be wrap with this collaboration because
usually their videos attracted around ten thousand views. Because at
(09:05):
the time of recording, this video has had over three
hundred and sixty seven thousand views, and the engagement rate
was huge. There were six hundred and twenty seven send
ons and one hundred and sixteen comments, and the comments
were hilarious. One follower wrote, Eeke that fresh ten near
the fresh White is giving me chills, whilst another said me,
(09:26):
just watching you ten on the Ottoman is making me rock.
Also thinking you're so talented for not getting it on
there hard. I wondered if maybe Spraye's had some kind
of promotion where their ten didn't stain, or there was
some kind of tie in, but no, maybe every room
in Brett Judd's house is just as white and she
just thought fuck it true well. As part of this
(09:49):
eight minute video, Beck took part in a viral beauty
trend where she told followers about herself while applying fake
ten and I've been seeing this a bit on TikTok.
I think it's a really great marketing strategy because no
one wants to sit and watch a video where an
influencer just tries to sell you the product the whole
time to talk about the product and explain the product.
(10:10):
And I mean it was eight minutes, and I was
hooked because I am a bit of a fan of
Beck Jud. I mean, we did do a deep dive
on Beck Judd last year, but even I found out
new information about her in this video, and the biggest
takeaway for me was that she said her first son, Oscar,
was an accident. So Beck was talking about how she
was working as a speech pathologist at the time before
(10:33):
she fell pregnant. Here's what she said. I stayed there
until I got pregnant with Oscar. Accidentally got pregnant after
I tride too many champagnes at Oak Stay in two
thousand and.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Ten. I accidentally got pregnant before my ready and.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Went on Mattley from my job at the Alfred and
then I never went back, like I'd never gone back
to speech pathology. I really liked how she just had
fun with it. I don't think she's ever told that story.
Before a lot of people said it felt like she
was just talking to her girlfriends, and she was praised
in the comments section for being really down to earth.
One admission that surprised me was when Beck said that
she wasn't very maternal. I still live, I've got four kids.
(11:15):
How did I have four kids? I'm not maternal. I
don't really love kids. I'm not the all, let me
hold the baby type of person. You know when your
friends have babies and a let's to hold the baby.
I don't hold the baby. I am good. Four kids
is a lot so funny people laughing about you are
the least maternal person and you're the one who ended
(11:35):
up with four kids. But I do love my kids
so much. I'm obsessed with them. I really liked seeing
this side of Beck because I think a lot of
millennials and Gen Zettas could relate to not particularly feeling maternal,
because we're this generation that have grown up focusing on
our careers and other aspects of our life, and sometimes
you can think, oh, why don't I feel this certain
(11:56):
way towards kids, Why don't I have this pool But
to hear her say on that maternal, but it's actually
great having kids, and I love them and I'm obsessed
with them. Yeah, but I think that's a big difference
between liking other people's children and liking your own. Sometimes apurently,
we got Aloha for content, but while we get a
dog and magilard hell for content. Indy Clinton has sparked
(12:19):
debate after launching subscriber only content on her TikTok so
for nine to ninety a month, subscribers get access to
exclusive TikTok lives and also videos. Now. So far, Indy
has uploaded three subscriber videos, with the rest of the
videos still free to view. I was kind of surprised
when I saw that only five hundred and ninety six
(12:41):
of Indy's one point nine million followers had subscribed. It
does equal around six thousand dollars a month, which equates
to seventy two thousand dollars a year. However, there is
a catch, so TikTok takes home fifty percent of the profits,
leaving Indy with three thousand a month and thirty six
thousand dollars a year. I saw a lot of comments
(13:03):
from followers saying, oh my god, I can't believe how
much she's taking home a month just for putting up
a few extra TikTok videos. But when you break it
down and see the large percentages that some platforms are
taking from creators, it is quite large, a meaning even
with Sense a lot, even with us we have a
subscription podcast, and at the very beginning in the first year,
(13:24):
Apple takes quite a large chunk of that. It does,
and it continues to take quite a big chunk of
it too. But if you look at it, say Indy
doesn't gain any more followers, which is really unlikely. I'm
sure she'll pick up a lot more subscribers. That's not
that much for Indy when you think about how much
she could make for a single brand deal. That's the thing.
When India announced that she was going to have this
(13:44):
new subscription offering on TikTok, she said it came down
to the fact that she doesn't want to push out
ads and work with brands that she doesn't align with.
I wonder if she thought she would be signing on
more than this. I mean, I sure that number will grow.
The reaction from Indie's followers was really mixed, so some
people were disappointed and thought it might mean they're going
(14:05):
to start missing out on parts of Indy's life, whilst
others said it's no different to other influencers starting Patreon
accounts or subscription channels on Instagram. Other followers blame TikTok
for not allowing Australian creators to sign up to the
very lucrative TikTok Creator Fund, which has been around since
twenty twenty. Last year, that fund was replaced by a
(14:26):
new model, which is called the Creativity Program, and creators
are paid per every thousand views, so the more views
you get, the more money you make. So for example,
if her creator gets one million views on a video,
they earned just under two thousand US dollars. It's so
unfair because this program is only available to creators in
the US, UK, France, Germany, Spain and Italy. I would
(14:50):
be so pissed off if I was a creator like
Indy Clinton, because she could be making so much more
money by doing this, and as she referenced, actually taking
on less SPONSORSHI deals, which would be I suppose more
authentic to her followers. Well, there have been rumors since
October that Australia might be granted access to this program,
but so far it looks unlikely. There are a couple
(15:12):
of loopholes with this program. So the videos have to
be a minute long, you can only use royalty free music,
you have to be over the age of eighteen, and
you have to at least have ten thousand followers and
one hundred thousand views within thirty days to be eligible.
Now they are saying that this new initiative will pay
out twenty times more than the old fund did, But
(15:35):
because of these loopholes, it makes it a lot more difficult.
Because if you think about those huge viral videos on TikTok,
a lot of them are popular because they'll use trending tracks,
and if you're not allowed to use that, it cuts
out a lot of those viral modes. But also there
were a lot of clips that were going off on
TikTok that will say ten seconds long, because TikTok rewards
the creator if someone watches the video in its entirety
(15:57):
and if they watch it over and over again, which
obviously if it's a ten second video, you might sit
there and watch it a few times. Yeah, it does
seem to be part of TikTok's overall strategy to motivate
creators to make longer form content and also higher quality content.
It seems like they're trying to steal a lot of
creators over from YouTube. I mean, nowadays you would probably
go to TikTok to watch daily flocks as opposed to YouTube,
(16:21):
and I think is the way that we view TikTok
has changed. Before it was just these short clips, but
now you go to TikTok when you're bored and want
to be entertained. I think we're going to see a
lot more influencers and creators opting to share their lives
on subscriber platforms, and this is due to a lot
of the negativity and hate they receive, because I think
we're seeing a lot of influencers holding back because I
(16:43):
think there's a lot of influencers who don't want to
be vulnerable on their main accounts because they're fearful of
what's going to come. Especially on TikTok. Everyone's so vicious
on there. The difficult thing about the way social media
works now is we're constantly being fed these short form
videos from people who we don't follow, So a lot
of the time these videos lack any context, which will
(17:03):
lead to people jumping on and making assumptions and usually
being quite rude to that creator. So I can see
why influencers would turn around and say, hey, I'm only
going to be vulnerable or open up to my core
community of people who support me. I'm not gonna I'm
gonna put parameters around who I share content with. Yeah,
but they might lose followers by doing that or subsequently
(17:24):
not actually grow their followership because people want to see
real and raw content and people do get pissed off
when it is suddenly behind a paywall. I'm not blaming
Indy though, because I think it's clever. She's obviously not
receiving any money from the TikTok creator fund. She's one
of Australia's most popular TikTok creators. I find it interesting though,
if you look at what content she's decided to put
(17:45):
behind the paywall, and I think that's what sparked a
bit of not anger, but a bit of I suppose
questions have been raised by her followers because the first
video was her dog Billy meeting her new puppy, and
we spoke on the podcast on Tuesday. There's been a
bit of controversy around her dog Billy potentially nipping at
(18:05):
some of her children, so a lot of her followers
have been interested to see how the two dogs interact
with each other. Yeah, it was an interesting one to
keep behind the paywall like and see why she did it.
She probably thought, I can't be bothered with everyone's comments
today and back. She actually did put up a TikTok
video today where she commented on her and she was
saying to her husband Ben, let's rename Aloha to be
(18:27):
content because everyone is apparently claiming that I bought this
dog for content. And then Ben was like, why the
fuck would we make our life even harder just for content?
Like he was beside himself. I mean, one point we
didn't really mention on the podcast on Tuesday was the
fact that Indy's brand is known as being chaotic, so
adding a puppy to the mix was very on brand
(18:48):
for her. We're about to go into all of the
This week. Fitness entrepreneurs Steph Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw
released a three part series on their podcast about how
they've navigated to the toughest conversations in their friendship. This
was a real tease, wasn't it, Because there's been conversations
online about a supposed feud between Laura and Steph. Yeah.
(19:10):
And to me, when they promoted the episode like this,
I thought, oh my god, they're going to give us
all of the dirt on what went down in this
popper corn room. Yeah, because this was a very publicized fight.
So back in May, the Daily Mail reported that there
was a rift between the famous fitness duo and these
two have been friends for ten years. They launched Kickback
in twenty fifteen and they have quickly had to work
(19:31):
out how to run a business with a friend. So
the Daily Mail reported that a year and a half ago,
Steph and Laura had a bust up during a luxury holiday.
So the article said that the women were enjoying a
getaway with their husbands Dalton and Josh when a fight
broke out, and it claimed that their partners were forced
to intervene and split up the conflict before the fight
(19:53):
became nastiest. So it sounded like things got very tense.
It almost sounded like there was like about to be
a physical altercation. Yeah, And I think people kind of
loved this article because everyone, in their own weird way
almost wants there to be a fight between Steph and Laura.
It's like this sick thing of like nobody. I don't
know it's because they appear perfect, but I also think
(20:15):
it's because society and the media has an obsession with
pitying two successful women against each other. You might be
wondering how the Daily Mail ascertained these details because they
don't have a good track record of getting things right.
So they built this story around an interview that Laura
did on the Share My Mood podcast. So in the interview,
(20:36):
Laura mentioned that they had a fight, but she didn't
say what triggered it. She did say that their husbands
had convinced them to sit down and be open with
each other, So I mean she didn't say that they
had a punch up or anything like that. Now, Stephan,
Laura addressed the Daily Mail article at the start of
the episode, saying this, but.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
It is something that we've been wanting to talk to
you guys about for a while.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And tackles some.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Less than ideal kind of headlines that have been out.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
There about us. And I think that obviously the headline
that we had a rift and our husbands had to
split up, a nasty fight yea between us is something
we want to talk about. So as you can hear,
the women confirmed there was no physical contact between them
and their husbands did not have to hold them back.
This was the most open they got during the podcast, though,
(21:28):
because the rest of the very long, forty five minute
conversation it just went around in circles. I felt like
I was this friend listening into this conversation, but I
was out of the loop because they never once addressed
what this fight was about. It's like they thought, geez,
the Daily Mail got a lot of clicks for that's headline.
Fuck it, We'll just recycle it for the podcast and
(21:49):
get the clicks. I mean, particularly because this was promoted
as a three part episode, so you're thinking, wow, there
must be a lot for them to tell. What are
they telling for the next two parts? So what they're
actually doing for the next two parts is they're having
this coach on who is to coach they it's like
this relationship coach, but she actually works for their business,
so she's an advisor for Kick and she was the
(22:10):
person who they had a very difficult conversation with about
their friendship. So I don't know if it was their
way of thinking, well, we're going to have this woman
on an episode. Let's try and make it a little
bit personal by pretending that we're going to go into
our fight. Maybe we could hire her for this podcast. Oh,
that would probably be helpful. We'd probably need to speak
to someone about the way we talk to each other.
I enjoyed hearing about what went down on night one
(22:32):
of their trip, though, because this is where we sort
of got an idea of what happened. So they said
that their husband stayed up with a bottle of wine,
and they got into a d and M about their
wives and the stresses that they were bringing home from work,
and they discovered that both Steph and Laura had been
venting about one another. So Dalton and Josh thought, Okay,
(22:52):
the best way that we're going to resolve this situation
is to have an intervention. So their husband's whilst probably
half tanked and wine, We're like, let's discuss it, guys. Well,
they didn't discuss it. Then they waited for the next night,
like two. The girls thought that they were going to
watch a movie together, and then the two guys came
in and said, we've got to talk about this. Fancy
(23:13):
your husband just throwing you under the bus like, oh, yeah,
she actually has been bitching about your wife as well.
I think that shows how men approach things so differently,
because I think that they would have wholeheardly felt like,
let's just talk about it and resolve things straight away
and that'll nip it in the bud, whereas most women
were emotional creatures. We don't want a fight to be
sprung on us. And it is embarrassing and almost like
(23:36):
could ruin your friendship to say, hey, they've been bitching
about your everything. They probably didn't say it like that,
but they probably just said, look, we've had a chat
and it seems like you both are feeling the same
feelings about each other. Well, what we discovered during this
podcast episode is that there seemed to be some sort
of tension around Steph returning to the office after maternity leave.
(23:58):
So Steph said her son, Harvey, was a year and
a half at the time of this fight, and Laura
seemed to be having all of these built up feelings
towards it. Again, they didn't actually say what the feelings were.
It's not really surprising considering Laura has brought out this
other podcast series about whether she wants to have kids,
or not. I think it's definitely opened her eyes to
how difficult it actually is for working mums. This fight
(24:21):
must have been pretty bad, though, because Steph said that
she felt like the worst friend after it and felt
really yung, and she felt on eggshells around Laura and
really awkward around her. I can see I didn't what
I actually really feel for Steph and Laura, because it's
easy for Kate, Sophie and I like Sofa and I
run a pr business together. And well, not that it's
easier because you say things to your family members that
(24:44):
you would never say to anybody else. It's more that
you would forgive a family member where you might not
forgive a friend. One juicy nugget that Steph did drop
in this conversation is that Steph worried that Laura didn't
want to be her friend anymore after she became a mum.
Here's what she said.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I mean, one thing I had to work through in
therapy recently was like, there's a I don't know if
I've had this conversation with you, but like there's a
bit of an attachment thing with me and you, And
there was a period there where I was like genuinely
fearful because of the different phase of life that I
was in that you just didn't get me anymore and
we were going to fall out of friendship awesome, and
(25:21):
so I was trying to do everything that I could
to still make sure you liked me, because I was
never you've metals.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I don't believe I just did that, as you said, Amy.
This was even more interesting because Laura has recently launched
that podcast where she interviews people about basically not wanting
to have kids, and it sounds like she's not into
the whole fool. It sounds like it's a big thing
for her at the moment. She's obviously spending a lot
of time thinking about it. I know people have said
that they didn't really drop much. I disagree. It's more
(25:54):
so you need to listen to this podcast with the
sort of and read into it a bit more like
I haven't dropped, oh I said this, and yeah, but
you can read into a lot of this. But like,
to be honest, like when you just want to sit
down and listen to a podcast, you've been so have
this clickbait thing. Oh, we're going to go into this
epic fight that we had and then for forty seven minutes,
(26:16):
you have to piece together what the fuck went on?
Like it did my head and listening to it the
Amazon I got through it was for this podcast. Like
we've had people message in our group saying, is it
worth investing in this? No, it's not just listening to
this podcat Maybe though, the counsel who will get to
the bottom of it, because they do ask tough questions,
So maybe she's going to be like, well, what is
(26:36):
it that annoys you or you know what happened to this?
It's it's going to be like asking questions on behalf
of listeners. I think it's going to be that sort
of scenario. I know we've spoken about it a few
times on the podcast, but they really are going there
with their content because it confuses me. They literally tell
you every detail about their sex life, yet they can't
tell us what they had a part about it. The
(26:57):
other day, I was shocked. I went on news dot
com today you and I saw this headline and it
was something about one dangerous sex act that Laura Henshaw did.
It was something along those lines, and I clicked on
the article and it was talking about her admission that
she used a cucumber as a sex toy. And then
it was this full article about statistics showing how dangerous
(27:19):
it can be to use you know, objects around the house.
I just thought, my gosh, it's a PR team celebrating
that one, like you know, you get runs on the
board forgetting well to be fair. I did actually think, oh,
maybe I'll listen to that episode. Yeah, I mean listen
to those ones. Maybe give this one a little bit
of a miss because it was all over the place.
I think the issue is that when you promise that
(27:39):
you're going to address a fight and then you leave
your listeners in the dark, it does open up interpretation.
So I know, as soon as I finished listening to this,
I rank it up and we started speculating on what
else the fight could have been about. And my version
of things are probably way worse than what this fight
actually was, you know what I mean, Like people are
just going to be like, holy fuck, they're closing. Geez,
(28:01):
these girls can't get along, like it might make the
Daily might make the Daily Mail listen to this and
cut little excerpts from it and make up more of
a story. Well, I think that's all we've got time
for today. Thank you so much for listening to another
episode of Outspoken. We are on Instagram and TikTok at
Outspoken Underscore the Underscore podcast, So for and I also
on Instagram if you want to follow us, if you
(28:22):
want to hear more from us. We dropped a subscriber
episode on Thursday where we did a little bit of
a relationships big time that we had. Yeah, we just
I don't think anyone would be shocked or slash interested
in that whatsoever. But we did this relationship quiz, which
is a quiz that you do to get to know
each other better. It was a bit of fun. Now.
This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the
(28:42):
Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to
elders past and present.
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