November 17, 2025 • 30 mins
Rebecca Little call out the behaviour of a fellow influencers at the Wicked Premier. Tammy Hembrow admits she struggled to cope following public divorce. Annelyse Oatway is caught out selling a sofa bed two days after advertising it… AND Sophie Guidolin’s c-section scar.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Kay Torber and coming up on today's show, Rebecca Little
calls out the behavior of a fellow influencer at the
Wicked premiere. Tammy Hembro admits she struggled to cope following
her public divorce and Sophie Gweedland's c section scar But first,
(00:25):
Matt Paul's fiance, Annalie's Oatway has been caught out selling
a sofa bed she advertised just two days earlier, so
as part of a paid partnership with a Kosa, the
nurse created a real of her and her ironman fiance
putting the bed together, and was pretty funny because Analice
kept making all these jokes that this room was a
bit of a refresh, going to be a second lounge
(00:48):
room for a kid's but also the doghouse for Matt
when he played too much golf, which I thought was
quite funny because recently we've had a lot of followers
messaging are saying, oh my god, poor Analie, She's always
stuck at home with the kids. Well, Matt's out golfing,
so obviously it's a bit of a contents topic. I
like when influencers actually play off that though, because it's
a great way to create engagement, get people commenting and
(01:10):
dming this on. Well, it appears like Matt won't have
a luxury place to recline next time he actually goes
and plays golf because the King sofa bed that they
advertised was up for sale and marketplace two days later.
Now the sofa bed in question is called the Sydney
Sofa Bed and retails for two three hundred and fifty dollars.
It's actually currently on sale as part of Black Friday
(01:31):
for one thousand, six hundred and forty five if you
do want it. Annalisa's listed it as forty five dollars cheaper,
so one thousand, six hundred. I like it. She's trying
to be a bit competitive with the pricing there. I
wanted to know was this gifted to her in exchange
for the post? Was it gifted to her as well
as her being paid to put up the post? I
(01:52):
think that makes a big difference, because I was thinking, well,
is it okay for an influence that to sell items
that they're gifted as part of a paid partnership. Personally,
I think I would like to know the finer details
about the partnership before I make my decision on this one,
because if it was a contrad deal where they were
given the couch to promote it, I think it's okay
to sell it because that has been how you've been paid.
(02:13):
So if you're not the incentive for doing it as
you wanted the item, but then it doesn't make sense
as to wage sell it exactly. So, I think in
this situation, it seems like they were paid to make
the real and on top of that, they were given
the couch so that they could actually create the video
from it. See that to me gives more reason to
give it away because you were just doing the post
because of the partnership in place. But then should the
(02:35):
content be different rather than saying, I'm actually renovating my
second lounge room and this is going to be a
key part of it, and you know, putting your personal
spin on it that Matt's going to be sleeping on
her in the doghouse. Yeah, because but she's trying to
make it not as much of a sell. She's trying
to make it engaging for her audience. Yes, it's a
real catch twenty two, isn't it. Yeah, But the thing
is people are going to notice the couch isn't there
(02:55):
when she films in that room again if she does.
I mean, she's not someone that vlogs her daily life.
But you can get caught out, and I mean she's
been caught out. It's very embarrassing. It's quite damaging for
her moving forward with brand deals. I mean, I'm just
of the opinion that an influencer does have the right
to get rid of said item if it no longer
serves them. However, I think you need to wait a
(03:15):
little bit longer than two days. I think that's what
the issue is. Perhaps wait a couple of months when
everyone's forgotten about the deally you've just done, and then
offload the item. Or I think the issue was also
someone making money off it, So maybe give the item
away to a charity or a family member. But I mean,
if you don't make money off it, but if you
(03:36):
do sneakily want to make cash out of it, put
it on someone else's Facebook. Don't do it on your own.
But you know what I was going to say, have
a fake account, But Facebook marketplace are really cracking down
on accounts. You have to have your phone number attached
to it. I mean, but that being said, Matt Pool's
more famous than her, so I feel like he would
get caught out too if he was sharing it. But
it's bad because it's the deal that she did. No,
but don't get mad to do it. Get a friend
(03:57):
or your family member or something like. Its just someone
on your own account. I mean it looks bad. It
does look like they have a relatively small place though,
So I mean, if this bed you didn't really need
it and it was taking up a lot of bit
a sofa bed do it folds up? Yeah, I know,
but you might not want it in your house. I
mean I didn't actually see it. Was it not particularly
nice looking? No, it was really nice. It looked really comfy.
I don't know why they got rid of it. Well,
(04:17):
they've got a wedding to pay for, so perhaps they
need the extra cash.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I trust the process and I trust him.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Think it would be a bit hard if I didn't
trust him.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Sophie Gweedland has left her followers puzzled after she spoke
about the location of her CEA section scar during an
Instagram Q and A, the controversial fitness influencer, was asked
why her sea section scar isn't visible in her bikini photos. Kay,
can you tell us more well as someone who has
fairly recently had a cesarean? Sophie's answer had me flawed,
(04:48):
so she responded to the followers question, writing, it was
on my volver, like the top of where my labia joins.
She then went on to share that a naturopath had
performed deep trauma healing on her scar and now it's
completely gone now unfortunately for those who want to book
in the same treatment. Sophie revealed that her natural path
no longer practices anymore, as her practice was sadly destroyed
(05:11):
in a cyclone.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
As you can imagine, it didn't take long for Sophie's
inbox to be flooded with confused people. She ended up
sharing a screenshot of a message that she received from
a medical practitioner who wrote, I'm sorry, but anatomically speaking,
this is impossible. A C section occurs in your lower abdomen,
not your volver or where your labia joins, and Sophie
(05:33):
captioned the screen shot stop, I can't with the internet,
ha ha How on earth do people think they know
their body better than you? Ha ha ha. At one
point I was told if I didn't post my scar,
I must have used a surrogate. I have to admit.
After I had my C section, I was pleasantly surprised
at how low the scar actually is. I thought it
would be higher, but in saying that it's definitely not
(05:54):
as low as your volver. I'm wondering whether her scar
is a little bit lower because she had twins. There'd
be some epulding in that, but it's not actually surgically
possible to do a C section incision in the volver.
It's anatomically impossible and would cause catastrophic damage. Yeah, I
just think maybe it was a little bit lower than
the general C section and she's maybe just worded it wrong. Well,
(06:14):
your volver doesn't actually provide access to the uterus, which
is where you need to be questioning whether it does.
I just think perhaps a C section scar is a
little lower than the average person's. Well, for those who
haven't had a C section or haven't seen a C
section scar, the incision is normally made five to eight
centimeters above the pubic bone across the abdomen now in
(06:35):
terms of the position of Sophie's C section scar. She
ended up responding to the backlash on her Instagram story,
and it turns out she had actually blocked twenty people
who accused her of lying about her C section. So
she posted a photo in a bikini and she drew
a red line on where her scar actually is and wrote,
the red line is how low my scar is. Factually,
(06:57):
not potentially or impossible it is. And she went to
say that she is sick of there being so much
misinformation out there about C sections and wrote, just because
that is your experience. Every berth is different. Maybe you
had an emergency or overweight, had a keloid a shitty doctor.
But when you say things like it's impossible, it's folks.
I am proof of that. Now based on this photo
Sophie shared, is clear she needs an anatomy lesson because
(07:20):
it is not on her volver. It's literally where a
C section sky is. Yeah, well that's what I was thinking.
I was thinking it's probably just a bit lower than
maybe she initially thought it was going to be. Where
I do draw a line though, is people accusing her
of having a saragain? And saying you actually didn't have
a C section. I think that that is a bit unfair.
But can you see why people are confused, because if
you go through a C section, you definitely know the
(07:40):
incision isn't in your volver and the place, and she
described it in such detail like it's just bizarre. I
just think as well, if you don't want people questioning
you about it, just don't go into that much detail
about it and don't open up about it. I mean,
she could have just said, oh, you know, my scar
has faded a lot because I went to a naturopath.
She didn't have to go into the fact of where
it was. How's your day going because mine's great? So yeah, anyway,
(08:04):
I shall probably get finish the dresser. Hi'm lad at
Linda wand Rebecca Little has slammed the behavior of a
group of fellow influencers at the Wicked premiere in Melbourne.
While the micro influencer didn't name names, she described their
actions as unsettling and desperate. So if it's really becoming
a bit of a trend for influencers to break down
the fourth walllet influencer events, Yeah, it really is, and
(08:26):
I'm all here for it. I think Isabel Clark was
one of the first influencers I really saw do that
this year. In a candid TikTok she spoke about how
clicky and uncomfortable influencer events can be, and also spoke
about the egos that can come out at them. I
can't believe that story was this year. I remember covering
it seems like a lifetime ago. It was in conjunction
(08:47):
with Mikayla Tester calling out Anna Pole at the time,
and there was a story about how Anna Pol allegedly
said that Isabel Clark had close set eyes. And it
seems like this was a bit of a hang up
for Anna because apparently she said that so many different
influencers had closed their eyes. It was also sofi dofa Oh.
I am actually really looking forward to the end of
the year going back through the top ten stories because
(09:07):
so much has happened this year.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Now back to Rebecca Little. Instead of creating a TikTok
tell all video like we've seen in the past, Rebecca
opted to air her grievances with her forty nine thousand
followers by writing down and sharing her thoughts in an
Instagram storytyle, which was very millennial of her. Well, I
think it's still a good way to get information out
there because you can really choose your words carefully and
(09:32):
people can't cut it up. True Well. In the lengthy post,
Rebecca explained that she was invited to attend the Wicked
premiere in Melbourne with her daughter. She said they were
both genuinely excited to see the movie. In fact, it
made her remember why she fell in love with the
cinema in the first place. However, it was a run
in with a group of fellow influencers which appeared to
(09:52):
derail her otherwise pleasant evening, So she wrote, I watched
people literally step over others. The desperation to be seen
rather than to actually see was unsettling. And then, of
course came the cherry on top, the snide, performative little comments.
I could almost admire the commitment to the bit if
it weren't aimed at slash near my child. That's when
(10:14):
something in me shifted. Say or post whatever you want
about me. But when that energy starts circling my daughter,
absolutely not. That's where the line is drawn. The irony
is I still love movies, always will. The magic on
the screen untouchable, but the circus around it, I'm out.
I think I'm officially done with premieres. The spotlight used
to reveal art, now it just exposes egos. I don't
(10:38):
think that it's news to any of us that there
would be people with egos at these type of events.
I mean, that's why they're there, really, to promote it,
to show that they're going to this event, to create
some publicity around Yeah. Also, I'm not surprised that influencers
would be focused on creating content at that event, but
that's what they're there to do. A lot of the
influencers took their costumes to the next level, and there
(10:59):
was a lot of excitement around creating TikTok videos, and
I mean that's what the pr people want you to
do as well. That being said, I love the tea,
particularly the swipe that Rebecca made about the performative little
comments that were aimed at her child, because that really
piqued my interest because that really makes the behaviors at
place sound terrible. How old is her child? Oh, I
think she's about eleven. Okay. As soon as I saw
(11:22):
Rebecca's post, I instantly started racking my brain to remember
which influencers attended the Melbourne premiere, because the only influencers
who I could remember sharing stories were Georgia Love and
Matt Zakowski. Now, Matt does pride himself on being a
bit of a movie buff, so it wasn't really surprising
to see him at this event. He seems to be
branding himself as this movie reviewer. Georgia Love also wasn't
(11:45):
a surprise to see that she absolutely loves musical theater
and often travels overseas to see it, so I was
glad that she got an invia Yeah, and when I
saw Rebecca's post pop up about the bad behavior of
influencers at the event, I quickly remembered this post that
Matt shared where he did a bit of a fit
check not another one. Let's have we listen to what
he said.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So I'm going on the Word Kid premiere in Melbourne,
and I've got my pink suit on. Yeah, it's pretty loud.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Now. I wanted to include Matt walking into the premiere
because I was like, is this the sort of behavior
that she's talking about, which is desperate someone wanting to
be seen? I mean, that's just normal influence the behavior
isn't it that you do a fit check before an event.
I couldn't imagine Matt Sakowski being rude to anyone. No,
he kind of gives me Bambi vibes at the moment. Oh,
it definitely wasn't him. But this is how things can
easily be misconstrued when you don't actually identify who you're
(12:40):
talking about. Yeah, and particularly because when you say an influencer,
there were only so many invited, so by not actually
naming names, she is basically the faming hobbit. Yeah. The
thing is, her post felt a lot more loaded. It
felt as though she had some long standing beef with
the individual or individuals involved, and that kind of highlights
who it potentially was about. So I decided to put
(13:02):
it out to our Facebook community. I put up a
post asking if anyone had an inkling about who Rebecca
was speaking about, and instantly listeners started writing in saying
they were convinced that she was talking about Olivia White,
otherwise known as House of White. Now OG listeners will
remember the story we did back in twenty twenty about
Olivia White selling Ali Barber glassware that she said was
(13:23):
modeled off her mother's body. This was actually one of
my favorite stories to date that we've covered. I actually
want to put it out there as a bit of
a Christmas special, maybe cut up some of our favorites
style That would because hilarious. Now. Olivia and Rebecca are
both in the motherhood and lifestyle space and have reportedly
had a falling out. Now when I looked at Olivia's
Instagram account, I was even more convinced that Rebecca was
(13:45):
directing this at her. Yeah, because she attended the event
alongside fellow influencer Nikia Joy Now. Nikia is a professional
makeup artist who has over two hundred and thirty three
thousand followers on Instagram, one point one million on TikTok,
and over nine hundred thousand on YouTube. Now, both Olivia
and Nikia took their costumes to the next level. Nikia
(14:06):
ended up painting her whole body green to come as
Alpha Bart, whilst Olivia spent months creating the ultimate Glinda gown.
So she found a dress in an op shop and
she and her mum completely customized it so they added
a lot of beating. She died at Brown. She even
used a three D printer to make her own wand
and Olivia White is known for sharing this type of content.
(14:27):
I remember a couple of years ago she did this
really cool DIY Taylor Swift birthday party for her kids,
Like she takes things next level. Yeah, I find her
content now to be quite wholesome. I mean, there was
a bit of a hiccup there with the glasses, but
I quite enjoy her content now, and I think that
they seem to just really get into the spirit of
the event. They created a lot of TikTok videos of
(14:47):
themselves getting ready in a hotel room together and it
was all just a bit of fun. Well that's exactly
what the pr team that invited them want. They want
hype around this movie and excitement. Yeah, and apparently their
costumes were so epic that on the way to the premiere, Yeah,
they kept being stopped by kids for photos on the streets.
It seemed to be very sweet. And people think that
this is the reason why Rebecca is taking a swipe
(15:08):
at Olivia, due to the fact that they put so
much effort into the costumes, Because she spoke about this
desperation to be seen rather than to actually see the movie.
It seems like Rebecca's rocked up to this event and
seen Olivia White's costume and gone, fuck, she beat me.
Her costume is better. Other thing is I kind of
think that they put in a lot of effort because
they are actually genuinely fans of the movie, not because
(15:31):
they necessarily want to be seen. I mean, yes, of
course it is a great opportunity to create content, but
I don't think you put in that much effort if
you weren't a fan. I think the Eras Tour has
actually triggered this new phenomenon where the main character, of course,
has always been the person on the stage that used
to be Taylor Swift at the Eras Tour. However, now
(15:51):
that we have TikTok, you become the main character in
an event like that. So you show yourself getting ready
to go the event, you show yourself getting dressed up,
you show your reaction too when the person goes on stage,
and it's all very inwood. Now. I think it's also
this phenomenon of girlhood where it's this excuse for adults
to revert back to childhood and find wonder and enjoyment
(16:12):
in wholesome things like this. You know, it's an excuse
to catch up with your friends, and you know, plan
your outfit and get creative. I really enjoy it. Yeah,
And it made me feel a little bit sad for
Olivia that this was seemingly targeted at her, because she
obviously had a lot of fun going to this event
put a lot of effort into it.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
The thing that also made me feel for Olivia was
that it was quite clear that she felt a bit
anxious in the lead up to the event, because she
ended up sharing a post shouting out all of the
incredible people in her life who help make the event
so magical. So she thanked her mum for helping her
make the dress and her husband for helping her ideas
come to life. She wrote, those are my close friends
would know the self doubt and fear I had this week,
(16:52):
because sometimes when you put yourself out there, especially as
a euro divergent woman, you tell yourself it won't be perfect.
What if people laugh at you, That people will not
understand your excitement and passion and will label you as
too much attention seeking and over the top. But I'm
glad I pushed through, and I'm so incredibly humbled by
how kind everyone has been. And of course my ADHD
brain is already deep on the next project, So did
(17:15):
she share that after Rebecca Little came out with her statement,
because it seems like a dig back at her. Yes,
she did share it a little bit after, so you
can imagine how those negative comments have clearly affected her.
And it was quite awkward because both women gave two
very different overviews of the event. So while Rebecca said
that the actions of some invited guests was unsettling, Olivia
(17:37):
gushed about what a safe space the event felt like.
So she praised the host, Reuben Kay, writing absolutely nailed
it and captured the essence of the room, a safe
space of bright, sparkly people who were all different and
unique and equally as wonderful. Melbourne certainly turned it on.
I was in awe of everyone's incredible outfits. I need
to ask, does anyone know what Rebecca Little wore to
the event. She wore a black gown, so it definitely
(18:01):
wasn't an out there costume. I mean, I wasn't a
costume at all. No, I mean, yeah, she had sort
of dramatic makeup on, which was sort of in the
vibe of wicked, but obviously she didn't go to the
same level as a lot of the other influencers there.
I mean, it wasn't required for you to wear a
costume there, Yeah, but it's giving vibes that she kind
of regretted not going fully out there, so then wanted
to kind of ridicule the ones that did yeah well.
(18:24):
On Friday, Rebecca decided to share more details about the
alleged incident that took place at the event. So she
shared a photo of her and her daughter on the
red carpet and explained that it had taken her a
few days to process the incident and said she never
realized a movie premiere could teach her so much in
one night. It's all very dramatic, isn't it. What She's
been right about what happened, Like, I don't get it.
(18:45):
So she continued on with the wicked theme, writing, Wicked
for good hit me harder than I expected. It reminded
me that being called wicked often means you're brave enough
to be yourself in a world that wants you smaller.
That it's better to go your own way then stay
grounded just to get approval, and that being good doesn't
mean staying quiet. It means speaking your truth, even if
(19:06):
it makes people uncomfortable, She continued, saying, now I see
it in my daughter. She's learning that kindness isn't weakness,
that strength and softness can live in the same heart,
and that she doesn't have to accept cruelty, disrespect, or
intimidation or anyone trying to dim her light. Now, this
is where the post went up a notch. Rebecca then
went on to accuse an adult at the event of
(19:26):
purposely stepping on her daughter's belongings, which were tucked away
in a corner. She also said disgusting jokes were made
from the same individual about a staple gun being in
their bag, and she said that her daughter needs to
know she can walk away from bullies, set boundaries and shine.
What's the staple gun? Do you mean that there was
(19:47):
sort of a violent threat or something. I'm confused by
that as well. I mean, does it imply that someone
was using a staple gun for an out there costume?
I'm confused by it. This is the issue when people
go public and talk riddles, because you can draw your
own conclusions that are very wrong, and particularly when you
are accusing an adult of like trotting on a child belongings.
(20:09):
I mean, surely this is not about Olivia White. I
want to believe that there's some wires that are crossed.
I can't see a mum doing this to another child,
And from watching Olivia's content, I also think that she
has it in her. She seems genuinely like a nice
person who just has been excited about this event. I mean, obviously,
if these events that Rebecca Little has outlined are truth,
(20:30):
then it's not a very nice thing to do. But
I think it is worse to come out and make
these allegations with no proof and to essentially defame all
of the influences where at the event, particularly the one
that she has beef with. I don't think that's fair. Well,
it's quite telling because the post has subsequently been deleted
so well. That says a lot, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I would just say, like, girl, I know you love
so hard and you're so much love to give, but just.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Give that love to yourself. Yeah. In her most candid
interview to date, Tammy Hembro has admitted she struggled to
cope following her public divorce from Matt Zakowski. The Gold
Coast influencer broke down on her sister Emily Hembro's podcast,
saying she should have noticed the red flags that appeared
early on. Now kay, you called part one of Emily's
(21:25):
chat with Tammy and also their sister Amy a bit
of a snowfest, but this episode definitely delivered. Yeah, it
definitely made up for Part one, but from a production sense,
I probably would have aired it first, just to get
the hype around the launch of her podcast. Now, this
is the first time we've really heard Tammy open up
about her divorce on a podcast. I mean, in recent weeks,
she has been doing a bit of a publicity tour
(21:47):
for her supplement brands Selfish, where she's been popping up
on a number of influencer led podcasts. She was coming
on Outspoken, but that got canceled last minute. We're Dirty
on It.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Or any Man.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
No. That being said, she didn't really give much away hmm.
During those interviews. She spoke very generally and with not
much emotion. So my guess is that she was waiting
to give her sister Emily the exclusive to help bolster
her new podcast. I mean, it also makes sense because obviously,
if she's talking to her sister, she's going to be
in a safe space to open up. If I was Emily, though,
(22:17):
I would have got my episode out first. Because now
that Tammy's been on quite a number of podcasts, I
think the interest is dwindling. They kind of interrupted her
a bit too, like she was about to divulge a
bit more, and then, as sisters do, they all spoke
over each other and you kind of like, hold on,
let us be because they know the full story, so
they're not as interested to hear it, whereas if it
was on a podcast like Outspoken, you know, we would
(22:38):
have shut up and listened. Yeah, now Tammy lifted the
lid on how she's really been coping with the divorce
behind the scenes. Let's take a listen to some of
what she said.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah, dealing with like my divorce and everything so publicly
is really difficult because I don't know, it's just like
there's so many different emotions, Like it's humiliating, it's heartbreaking,
it's just I yeah, you guys have seen firsthand like
(23:11):
what I've sort of been going through with it, Like
I honestly haven't coped Like in the beginning, I like
really was not coping well with it, and I feel
like it's definitely changed my perspective on a lot of things,
especially like future relationships.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I mean, while this is the first time we've heard
Tammy speak in depth about the breakup on a podcast,
she has given us tidbits on her TikTok and on
her YouTube before trying to paint a picture of how
upset she is, because I think, in order to win
a breakup when you actually haven't said the reason behind it,
if you are deemed as the one that's more upset,
you win. Well, yeah, you're the victim in it. And
(23:55):
I think because she appeared to move on very quickly
and gone that date with Bailey Smith, people assume that
she was an upset about it, but she went on
to say that shortly after the divorce she struggled to
even function. She said that she was very anxious and
she could barely walk from her car to the front
door without being in hysterics. She even went as far
as saying that she felt like she wasn't showing up
(24:15):
as a mum, so she said that there would be
times when she'd go and hide in her shower and
lie on the shower floor to cry because she didn't
want her kids coming in and seeing how upset that
she was that would be so hard going through a
breakup having kids, because I mean, I think back to
the breakups that I went through in my twenties. I
mean I couldn't function. You have to go to work
and put on a brave face. I suppose that's what
(24:36):
it would be like in front of kids. But you're
having to do that at work and then at home,
like you need some time to decompress. Well, she said
that her kids were actually a big part of her healing.
So she said that while she didn't feel like she
was showing up for them, they were showing up for
her and they were a good distraction. Now, during Tammy
and Matt's relationship, there were persistent rumors that Matt was
(24:57):
tuning girls behind her back. That seemed to be the narrative,
and this was really exacerbated by the DM scandal at
the Grand Prix and also his ex Genevieve claiming that
there was a crossover between her and Tammy.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
While they didn't confirm this during the interview, the sisters
seemed to hint that there was bad behavior from Matt.
Let's take a listen, Well.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
You obviously wanted it to work, like even when there
was situation after situation after situation, and I'm not sure
about Youomi, but I was like, enough is enough, Like
you are just trying so hard to make it work
that you are just letting everything, you know, all these
situations yeah, where it's not okay.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
And looking back now, I'm like it's crazy to me,
but like I was so just swept up in it
that I was willing to overlook so many things.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
And I was so like, Yeah, they were obviously putting
a lot of blame on Matt. And it's no surprise
because Emily and Amy are not as big as fan.
Like we have spoken in length about the podcast episode
that they appeared on on Wednesday head at when they
essentially gave it to Matt on his own podcast. Yeah,
I mean, I just want to know what were the scenarios,
(26:10):
Like tell us, we want to know. And I think
that the reason they are putting this out there is
because Matt has been trying to sell a different story
on his podcast and if anything, he has been receiving
a lot of sympathy and he's sort of been playing
off that it was Tammy's fault, yeah, or the divorce.
I mean, even on his podcast last week. He was
talking about how much it's been affecting him seeing Tiktoks
(26:33):
of Lapland, which is where he and Tammy went for
their honeymoon, and about how he's going to be alone
this Christmas, and again you would get the vibe that
she was the one who was responsible for the split
and who cut things off. Yeah, Matt's story isn't that
consistent because he makes it sound like he was the
one that was dumped, but then he's spoken about the
fact that he was the one that decided to leave
(26:55):
the marriage. Yeah, I think they've got to stop talking
in these constant riddles because it is getting very confusing.
I mean, Tammy spoke about having rose colored glasses on
at the start of their relationship, which was quite interesting,
and she warned her listeners that early red flags are
going to be ten times worse later on. But that
is quite telling. Can you believe that this Sunday would
(27:17):
have been their first wedding? Antiverse like that blows my mind.
I remember when the pap photos of the pink dress
came out, the drone images. It does not seem that
long ago at all. Yeah, it's pretty wild. I mean,
it's going to be an emotional time for both of them,
and predicting that they'll both put something up. Well, I mean,
surely that's a weekend where you want to keep busy,
(27:37):
maybe go on a trip, take your mind off things.
Tammy did touch on the wedding, describing it as an
expensive learning experience. Are we assuming she paid for it all? Oh?
You get that vibe. It's clear that she has done
quite a lot of self reflection and also a lot
of therapy since the divorce. Because she admitted that she
had been naive entering into the relationship, her sisters like, yes,
(28:00):
yes you were. Let's take a listen to what she said.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I feel like I genuinely like have learnt though now
that I can't be so you know, like naive when
it comes to just like fought me in love And
that's something that you had to learn on your own,
as much as we could try and give you advice.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
And it's it hurts me very.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Much shame that I had to go through like a
whole wedding to learn that lesson and publicly like at
the time, obviously I didn't think I was going to
be getting divorce. Obviously you thought it was forever, So
you're grieving a future that you saw as well.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah, like, but hindsight's twenty twenty. Like it's so crazy
to me now, Like, looking pack, I see so many
things that I didn't like notice at the time that
people around me were telling me, and I just felt.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Like why they say, like love is blind blinding. I
was definitely blind at the time.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I think I just like, I think I just wanted, like,
you know, the fairy tels.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
This would be very validating for Amy and Emily because
they were probably the loudest voices in Tammy's life telling
her that, you know, there are a lot of red flags,
don't marry this guy. I would say that one of
the early red flags that we know about is when
Matt attended Tammy's New Year's Eve party, So it was
hosted at her place, and according to Emily and Amy,
he kept referring to it as our house. So they
(29:36):
mentioned that on his podcast during that infamous interview, and
he's like, I don't recall that, and they're like, you
definitely did. Isn't that just such an ick when someone
puts claim to something that is not theirs, that is
the result of someone else's hard work. Yeah, I mean
it did give a bit of clout chasing vibes there,
and it did lead obviously her FAUNI me to question
whether he was interested in her money. I mean, they
did end up signing a prenup, so it'd be interesting
(29:59):
to actually see what happens with the divorce, whether he
will get any money. Well, that is where we're going
to leave things today. But if you want to hear
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past and present.
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Kay Torber and coming up on today's show, Rebecca Little
calls out the behavior of a fellow influencer at the
Wicked premiere. Tammy Hembro admits she struggled to cope following
her public divorce and Sophie Gweedland's c section scar But first,
(00:25):
Matt Paul's fiance, Annalie's Oatway has been caught out selling
a sofa bed she advertised just two days earlier, so
as part of a paid partnership with a Kosa, the
nurse created a real of her and her ironman fiance
putting the bed together, and was pretty funny because Analice
kept making all these jokes that this room was a
bit of a refresh, going to be a second lounge
(00:48):
room for a kid's but also the doghouse for Matt
when he played too much golf, which I thought was
quite funny because recently we've had a lot of followers
messaging are saying, oh my god, poor Analie, She's always
stuck at home with the kids. Well, Matt's out golfing,
so obviously it's a bit of a contents topic. I
like when influencers actually play off that though, because it's
a great way to create engagement, get people commenting and
(01:10):
dming this on. Well, it appears like Matt won't have
a luxury place to recline next time he actually goes
and plays golf because the King sofa bed that they
advertised was up for sale and marketplace two days later.
Now the sofa bed in question is called the Sydney
Sofa Bed and retails for two three hundred and fifty dollars.
It's actually currently on sale as part of Black Friday
(01:31):
for one thousand, six hundred and forty five if you
do want it. Annalisa's listed it as forty five dollars cheaper,
so one thousand, six hundred. I like it. She's trying
to be a bit competitive with the pricing there. I
wanted to know was this gifted to her in exchange
for the post? Was it gifted to her as well
as her being paid to put up the post? I
(01:52):
think that makes a big difference, because I was thinking, well,
is it okay for an influence that to sell items
that they're gifted as part of a paid partnership. Personally,
I think I would like to know the finer details
about the partnership before I make my decision on this one,
because if it was a contrad deal where they were
given the couch to promote it, I think it's okay
to sell it because that has been how you've been paid.
(02:13):
So if you're not the incentive for doing it as
you wanted the item, but then it doesn't make sense
as to wage sell it exactly. So, I think in
this situation, it seems like they were paid to make
the real and on top of that, they were given
the couch so that they could actually create the video
from it. See that to me gives more reason to
give it away because you were just doing the post
because of the partnership in place. But then should the
(02:35):
content be different rather than saying, I'm actually renovating my
second lounge room and this is going to be a
key part of it, and you know, putting your personal
spin on it that Matt's going to be sleeping on
her in the doghouse. Yeah, because but she's trying to
make it not as much of a sell. She's trying
to make it engaging for her audience. Yes, it's a
real catch twenty two, isn't it. Yeah, But the thing
is people are going to notice the couch isn't there
(02:55):
when she films in that room again if she does.
I mean, she's not someone that vlogs her daily life.
But you can get caught out, and I mean she's
been caught out. It's very embarrassing. It's quite damaging for
her moving forward with brand deals. I mean, I'm just
of the opinion that an influencer does have the right
to get rid of said item if it no longer
serves them. However, I think you need to wait a
(03:15):
little bit longer than two days. I think that's what
the issue is. Perhaps wait a couple of months when
everyone's forgotten about the deally you've just done, and then
offload the item. Or I think the issue was also
someone making money off it, So maybe give the item
away to a charity or a family member. But I mean,
if you don't make money off it, but if you
(03:36):
do sneakily want to make cash out of it, put
it on someone else's Facebook. Don't do it on your own.
But you know what I was going to say, have
a fake account, But Facebook marketplace are really cracking down
on accounts. You have to have your phone number attached
to it. I mean, but that being said, Matt Pool's
more famous than her, so I feel like he would
get caught out too if he was sharing it. But
it's bad because it's the deal that she did. No,
but don't get mad to do it. Get a friend
(03:57):
or your family member or something like. Its just someone
on your own account. I mean it looks bad. It
does look like they have a relatively small place though,
So I mean, if this bed you didn't really need
it and it was taking up a lot of bit
a sofa bed do it folds up? Yeah, I know,
but you might not want it in your house. I
mean I didn't actually see it. Was it not particularly
nice looking? No, it was really nice. It looked really comfy.
I don't know why they got rid of it. Well,
(04:17):
they've got a wedding to pay for, so perhaps they
need the extra cash.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I trust the process and I trust him.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Think it would be a bit hard if I didn't
trust him.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Sophie Gweedland has left her followers puzzled after she spoke
about the location of her CEA section scar during an
Instagram Q and A, the controversial fitness influencer, was asked
why her sea section scar isn't visible in her bikini photos. Kay,
can you tell us more well as someone who has
fairly recently had a cesarean? Sophie's answer had me flawed,
(04:48):
so she responded to the followers question, writing, it was
on my volver, like the top of where my labia joins.
She then went on to share that a naturopath had
performed deep trauma healing on her scar and now it's
completely gone now unfortunately for those who want to book
in the same treatment. Sophie revealed that her natural path
no longer practices anymore, as her practice was sadly destroyed
(05:11):
in a cyclone.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
As you can imagine, it didn't take long for Sophie's
inbox to be flooded with confused people. She ended up
sharing a screenshot of a message that she received from
a medical practitioner who wrote, I'm sorry, but anatomically speaking,
this is impossible. A C section occurs in your lower abdomen,
not your volver or where your labia joins, and Sophie
(05:33):
captioned the screen shot stop, I can't with the internet,
ha ha How on earth do people think they know
their body better than you? Ha ha ha. At one
point I was told if I didn't post my scar,
I must have used a surrogate. I have to admit.
After I had my C section, I was pleasantly surprised
at how low the scar actually is. I thought it
would be higher, but in saying that it's definitely not
(05:54):
as low as your volver. I'm wondering whether her scar
is a little bit lower because she had twins. There'd
be some epulding in that, but it's not actually surgically
possible to do a C section incision in the volver.
It's anatomically impossible and would cause catastrophic damage. Yeah, I
just think maybe it was a little bit lower than
the general C section and she's maybe just worded it wrong. Well,
(06:14):
your volver doesn't actually provide access to the uterus, which
is where you need to be questioning whether it does.
I just think perhaps a C section scar is a
little lower than the average person's. Well, for those who
haven't had a C section or haven't seen a C
section scar, the incision is normally made five to eight
centimeters above the pubic bone across the abdomen now in
(06:35):
terms of the position of Sophie's C section scar. She
ended up responding to the backlash on her Instagram story,
and it turns out she had actually blocked twenty people
who accused her of lying about her C section. So
she posted a photo in a bikini and she drew
a red line on where her scar actually is and wrote,
the red line is how low my scar is. Factually,
(06:57):
not potentially or impossible it is. And she went to
say that she is sick of there being so much
misinformation out there about C sections and wrote, just because
that is your experience. Every berth is different. Maybe you
had an emergency or overweight, had a keloid a shitty doctor.
But when you say things like it's impossible, it's folks.
I am proof of that. Now based on this photo
Sophie shared, is clear she needs an anatomy lesson because
(07:20):
it is not on her volver. It's literally where a
C section sky is. Yeah, well that's what I was thinking.
I was thinking it's probably just a bit lower than
maybe she initially thought it was going to be. Where
I do draw a line though, is people accusing her
of having a saragain? And saying you actually didn't have
a C section. I think that that is a bit unfair.
But can you see why people are confused, because if
you go through a C section, you definitely know the
(07:40):
incision isn't in your volver and the place, and she
described it in such detail like it's just bizarre. I
just think as well, if you don't want people questioning
you about it, just don't go into that much detail
about it and don't open up about it. I mean,
she could have just said, oh, you know, my scar
has faded a lot because I went to a naturopath.
She didn't have to go into the fact of where
it was. How's your day going because mine's great? So yeah, anyway,
(08:04):
I shall probably get finish the dresser. Hi'm lad at
Linda wand Rebecca Little has slammed the behavior of a
group of fellow influencers at the Wicked premiere in Melbourne.
While the micro influencer didn't name names, she described their
actions as unsettling and desperate. So if it's really becoming
a bit of a trend for influencers to break down
the fourth walllet influencer events, Yeah, it really is, and
(08:26):
I'm all here for it. I think Isabel Clark was
one of the first influencers I really saw do that
this year. In a candid TikTok she spoke about how
clicky and uncomfortable influencer events can be, and also spoke
about the egos that can come out at them. I
can't believe that story was this year. I remember covering
it seems like a lifetime ago. It was in conjunction
(08:47):
with Mikayla Tester calling out Anna Pole at the time,
and there was a story about how Anna Pol allegedly
said that Isabel Clark had close set eyes. And it
seems like this was a bit of a hang up
for Anna because apparently she said that so many different
influencers had closed their eyes. It was also sofi dofa Oh.
I am actually really looking forward to the end of
the year going back through the top ten stories because
(09:07):
so much has happened this year.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Now back to Rebecca Little. Instead of creating a TikTok
tell all video like we've seen in the past, Rebecca
opted to air her grievances with her forty nine thousand
followers by writing down and sharing her thoughts in an
Instagram storytyle, which was very millennial of her. Well, I
think it's still a good way to get information out
there because you can really choose your words carefully and
(09:32):
people can't cut it up. True Well. In the lengthy post,
Rebecca explained that she was invited to attend the Wicked
premiere in Melbourne with her daughter. She said they were
both genuinely excited to see the movie. In fact, it
made her remember why she fell in love with the
cinema in the first place. However, it was a run
in with a group of fellow influencers which appeared to
(09:52):
derail her otherwise pleasant evening, So she wrote, I watched
people literally step over others. The desperation to be seen
rather than to actually see was unsettling. And then, of
course came the cherry on top, the snide, performative little comments.
I could almost admire the commitment to the bit if
it weren't aimed at slash near my child. That's when
(10:14):
something in me shifted. Say or post whatever you want
about me. But when that energy starts circling my daughter,
absolutely not. That's where the line is drawn. The irony
is I still love movies, always will. The magic on
the screen untouchable, but the circus around it, I'm out.
I think I'm officially done with premieres. The spotlight used
to reveal art, now it just exposes egos. I don't
(10:38):
think that it's news to any of us that there
would be people with egos at these type of events.
I mean, that's why they're there, really, to promote it,
to show that they're going to this event, to create
some publicity around Yeah. Also, I'm not surprised that influencers
would be focused on creating content at that event, but
that's what they're there to do. A lot of the
influencers took their costumes to the next level, and there
(10:59):
was a lot of excitement around creating TikTok videos, and
I mean that's what the pr people want you to
do as well. That being said, I love the tea,
particularly the swipe that Rebecca made about the performative little
comments that were aimed at her child, because that really
piqued my interest because that really makes the behaviors at
place sound terrible. How old is her child? Oh, I
think she's about eleven. Okay. As soon as I saw
(11:22):
Rebecca's post, I instantly started racking my brain to remember
which influencers attended the Melbourne premiere, because the only influencers
who I could remember sharing stories were Georgia Love and
Matt Zakowski. Now, Matt does pride himself on being a
bit of a movie buff, so it wasn't really surprising
to see him at this event. He seems to be
branding himself as this movie reviewer. Georgia Love also wasn't
(11:45):
a surprise to see that she absolutely loves musical theater
and often travels overseas to see it, so I was
glad that she got an invia Yeah, and when I
saw Rebecca's post pop up about the bad behavior of
influencers at the event, I quickly remembered this post that
Matt shared where he did a bit of a fit
check not another one. Let's have we listen to what
he said.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So I'm going on the Word Kid premiere in Melbourne,
and I've got my pink suit on. Yeah, it's pretty loud.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Now. I wanted to include Matt walking into the premiere
because I was like, is this the sort of behavior
that she's talking about, which is desperate someone wanting to
be seen? I mean, that's just normal influence the behavior
isn't it that you do a fit check before an event.
I couldn't imagine Matt Sakowski being rude to anyone. No,
he kind of gives me Bambi vibes at the moment. Oh,
it definitely wasn't him. But this is how things can
easily be misconstrued when you don't actually identify who you're
(12:40):
talking about. Yeah, and particularly because when you say an influencer,
there were only so many invited, so by not actually
naming names, she is basically the faming hobbit. Yeah. The
thing is, her post felt a lot more loaded. It
felt as though she had some long standing beef with
the individual or individuals involved, and that kind of highlights
who it potentially was about. So I decided to put
(13:02):
it out to our Facebook community. I put up a
post asking if anyone had an inkling about who Rebecca
was speaking about, and instantly listeners started writing in saying
they were convinced that she was talking about Olivia White,
otherwise known as House of White. Now OG listeners will
remember the story we did back in twenty twenty about
Olivia White selling Ali Barber glassware that she said was
(13:23):
modeled off her mother's body. This was actually one of
my favorite stories to date that we've covered. I actually
want to put it out there as a bit of
a Christmas special, maybe cut up some of our favorites
style That would because hilarious. Now. Olivia and Rebecca are
both in the motherhood and lifestyle space and have reportedly
had a falling out. Now when I looked at Olivia's
Instagram account, I was even more convinced that Rebecca was
(13:45):
directing this at her. Yeah, because she attended the event
alongside fellow influencer Nikia Joy Now. Nikia is a professional
makeup artist who has over two hundred and thirty three
thousand followers on Instagram, one point one million on TikTok,
and over nine hundred thousand on YouTube. Now, both Olivia
and Nikia took their costumes to the next level. Nikia
(14:06):
ended up painting her whole body green to come as
Alpha Bart, whilst Olivia spent months creating the ultimate Glinda gown.
So she found a dress in an op shop and
she and her mum completely customized it so they added
a lot of beating. She died at Brown. She even
used a three D printer to make her own wand
and Olivia White is known for sharing this type of content.
(14:27):
I remember a couple of years ago she did this
really cool DIY Taylor Swift birthday party for her kids,
Like she takes things next level. Yeah, I find her
content now to be quite wholesome. I mean, there was
a bit of a hiccup there with the glasses, but
I quite enjoy her content now, and I think that
they seem to just really get into the spirit of
the event. They created a lot of TikTok videos of
(14:47):
themselves getting ready in a hotel room together and it
was all just a bit of fun. Well that's exactly
what the pr team that invited them want. They want
hype around this movie and excitement. Yeah, and apparently their
costumes were so epic that on the way to the premiere, Yeah,
they kept being stopped by kids for photos on the streets.
It seemed to be very sweet. And people think that
this is the reason why Rebecca is taking a swipe
(15:08):
at Olivia, due to the fact that they put so
much effort into the costumes, Because she spoke about this
desperation to be seen rather than to actually see the movie.
It seems like Rebecca's rocked up to this event and
seen Olivia White's costume and gone, fuck, she beat me.
Her costume is better. Other thing is I kind of
think that they put in a lot of effort because
they are actually genuinely fans of the movie, not because
(15:31):
they necessarily want to be seen. I mean, yes, of
course it is a great opportunity to create content, but
I don't think you put in that much effort if
you weren't a fan. I think the Eras Tour has
actually triggered this new phenomenon where the main character, of course,
has always been the person on the stage that used
to be Taylor Swift at the Eras Tour. However, now
(15:51):
that we have TikTok, you become the main character in
an event like that. So you show yourself getting ready
to go the event, you show yourself getting dressed up,
you show your reaction too when the person goes on stage,
and it's all very inwood. Now. I think it's also
this phenomenon of girlhood where it's this excuse for adults
to revert back to childhood and find wonder and enjoyment
(16:12):
in wholesome things like this. You know, it's an excuse
to catch up with your friends, and you know, plan
your outfit and get creative. I really enjoy it. Yeah,
And it made me feel a little bit sad for
Olivia that this was seemingly targeted at her, because she
obviously had a lot of fun going to this event
put a lot of effort into it.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
The thing that also made me feel for Olivia was
that it was quite clear that she felt a bit
anxious in the lead up to the event, because she
ended up sharing a post shouting out all of the
incredible people in her life who help make the event
so magical. So she thanked her mum for helping her
make the dress and her husband for helping her ideas
come to life. She wrote, those are my close friends
would know the self doubt and fear I had this week,
(16:52):
because sometimes when you put yourself out there, especially as
a euro divergent woman, you tell yourself it won't be perfect.
What if people laugh at you, That people will not
understand your excitement and passion and will label you as
too much attention seeking and over the top. But I'm
glad I pushed through, and I'm so incredibly humbled by
how kind everyone has been. And of course my ADHD
brain is already deep on the next project, So did
(17:15):
she share that after Rebecca Little came out with her statement,
because it seems like a dig back at her. Yes,
she did share it a little bit after, so you
can imagine how those negative comments have clearly affected her.
And it was quite awkward because both women gave two
very different overviews of the event. So while Rebecca said
that the actions of some invited guests was unsettling, Olivia
(17:37):
gushed about what a safe space the event felt like.
So she praised the host, Reuben Kay, writing absolutely nailed
it and captured the essence of the room, a safe
space of bright, sparkly people who were all different and
unique and equally as wonderful. Melbourne certainly turned it on.
I was in awe of everyone's incredible outfits. I need
to ask, does anyone know what Rebecca Little wore to
the event. She wore a black gown, so it definitely
(18:01):
wasn't an out there costume. I mean, I wasn't a
costume at all. No, I mean, yeah, she had sort
of dramatic makeup on, which was sort of in the
vibe of wicked, but obviously she didn't go to the
same level as a lot of the other influencers there.
I mean, it wasn't required for you to wear a
costume there, Yeah, but it's giving vibes that she kind
of regretted not going fully out there, so then wanted
to kind of ridicule the ones that did yeah well.
(18:24):
On Friday, Rebecca decided to share more details about the
alleged incident that took place at the event. So she
shared a photo of her and her daughter on the
red carpet and explained that it had taken her a
few days to process the incident and said she never
realized a movie premiere could teach her so much in
one night. It's all very dramatic, isn't it. What She's
been right about what happened, Like, I don't get it.
(18:45):
So she continued on with the wicked theme, writing, Wicked
for good hit me harder than I expected. It reminded
me that being called wicked often means you're brave enough
to be yourself in a world that wants you smaller.
That it's better to go your own way then stay
grounded just to get approval, and that being good doesn't
mean staying quiet. It means speaking your truth, even if
(19:06):
it makes people uncomfortable, She continued, saying, now I see
it in my daughter. She's learning that kindness isn't weakness,
that strength and softness can live in the same heart,
and that she doesn't have to accept cruelty, disrespect, or
intimidation or anyone trying to dim her light. Now, this
is where the post went up a notch. Rebecca then
went on to accuse an adult at the event of
(19:26):
purposely stepping on her daughter's belongings, which were tucked away
in a corner. She also said disgusting jokes were made
from the same individual about a staple gun being in
their bag, and she said that her daughter needs to
know she can walk away from bullies, set boundaries and shine.
What's the staple gun? Do you mean that there was
(19:47):
sort of a violent threat or something. I'm confused by
that as well. I mean, does it imply that someone
was using a staple gun for an out there costume?
I'm confused by it. This is the issue when people
go public and talk riddles, because you can draw your
own conclusions that are very wrong, and particularly when you
are accusing an adult of like trotting on a child belongings.
(20:09):
I mean, surely this is not about Olivia White. I
want to believe that there's some wires that are crossed.
I can't see a mum doing this to another child,
And from watching Olivia's content, I also think that she
has it in her. She seems genuinely like a nice
person who just has been excited about this event. I mean, obviously,
if these events that Rebecca Little has outlined are truth,
(20:30):
then it's not a very nice thing to do. But
I think it is worse to come out and make
these allegations with no proof and to essentially defame all
of the influences where at the event, particularly the one
that she has beef with. I don't think that's fair. Well,
it's quite telling because the post has subsequently been deleted
so well. That says a lot, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I would just say, like, girl, I know you love
so hard and you're so much love to give, but just.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Give that love to yourself. Yeah. In her most candid
interview to date, Tammy Hembro has admitted she struggled to
cope following her public divorce from Matt Zakowski. The Gold
Coast influencer broke down on her sister Emily Hembro's podcast,
saying she should have noticed the red flags that appeared
early on. Now kay, you called part one of Emily's
(21:25):
chat with Tammy and also their sister Amy a bit
of a snowfest, but this episode definitely delivered. Yeah, it
definitely made up for Part one, but from a production sense,
I probably would have aired it first, just to get
the hype around the launch of her podcast. Now, this
is the first time we've really heard Tammy open up
about her divorce on a podcast. I mean, in recent weeks,
she has been doing a bit of a publicity tour
(21:47):
for her supplement brands Selfish, where she's been popping up
on a number of influencer led podcasts. She was coming
on Outspoken, but that got canceled last minute. We're Dirty
on It.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Or any Man.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
No. That being said, she didn't really give much away hmm.
During those interviews. She spoke very generally and with not
much emotion. So my guess is that she was waiting
to give her sister Emily the exclusive to help bolster
her new podcast. I mean, it also makes sense because obviously,
if she's talking to her sister, she's going to be
in a safe space to open up. If I was Emily, though,
(22:17):
I would have got my episode out first. Because now
that Tammy's been on quite a number of podcasts, I
think the interest is dwindling. They kind of interrupted her
a bit too, like she was about to divulge a
bit more, and then, as sisters do, they all spoke
over each other and you kind of like, hold on,
let us be because they know the full story, so
they're not as interested to hear it, whereas if it
was on a podcast like Outspoken, you know, we would
(22:38):
have shut up and listened. Yeah, now Tammy lifted the
lid on how she's really been coping with the divorce
behind the scenes. Let's take a listen to some of
what she said.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah, dealing with like my divorce and everything so publicly
is really difficult because I don't know, it's just like
there's so many different emotions, Like it's humiliating, it's heartbreaking,
it's just I yeah, you guys have seen firsthand like
(23:11):
what I've sort of been going through with it, Like
I honestly haven't coped Like in the beginning, I like
really was not coping well with it, and I feel
like it's definitely changed my perspective on a lot of things,
especially like future relationships.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I mean, while this is the first time we've heard
Tammy speak in depth about the breakup on a podcast,
she has given us tidbits on her TikTok and on
her YouTube before trying to paint a picture of how
upset she is, because I think, in order to win
a breakup when you actually haven't said the reason behind it,
if you are deemed as the one that's more upset,
you win. Well, yeah, you're the victim in it. And
(23:55):
I think because she appeared to move on very quickly
and gone that date with Bailey Smith, people assume that
she was an upset about it, but she went on
to say that shortly after the divorce she struggled to
even function. She said that she was very anxious and
she could barely walk from her car to the front
door without being in hysterics. She even went as far
as saying that she felt like she wasn't showing up
(24:15):
as a mum, so she said that there would be
times when she'd go and hide in her shower and
lie on the shower floor to cry because she didn't
want her kids coming in and seeing how upset that
she was that would be so hard going through a
breakup having kids, because I mean, I think back to
the breakups that I went through in my twenties. I
mean I couldn't function. You have to go to work
and put on a brave face. I suppose that's what
(24:36):
it would be like in front of kids. But you're
having to do that at work and then at home,
like you need some time to decompress. Well, she said
that her kids were actually a big part of her healing.
So she said that while she didn't feel like she
was showing up for them, they were showing up for
her and they were a good distraction. Now, during Tammy
and Matt's relationship, there were persistent rumors that Matt was
(24:57):
tuning girls behind her back. That seemed to be the narrative,
and this was really exacerbated by the DM scandal at
the Grand Prix and also his ex Genevieve claiming that
there was a crossover between her and Tammy.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
While they didn't confirm this during the interview, the sisters
seemed to hint that there was bad behavior from Matt.
Let's take a listen, Well.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
You obviously wanted it to work, like even when there
was situation after situation after situation, and I'm not sure
about Youomi, but I was like, enough is enough, Like
you are just trying so hard to make it work
that you are just letting everything, you know, all these
situations yeah, where it's not okay.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
And looking back now, I'm like it's crazy to me,
but like I was so just swept up in it
that I was willing to overlook so many things.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
And I was so like, Yeah, they were obviously putting
a lot of blame on Matt. And it's no surprise
because Emily and Amy are not as big as fan.
Like we have spoken in length about the podcast episode
that they appeared on on Wednesday head at when they
essentially gave it to Matt on his own podcast. Yeah,
I mean, I just want to know what were the scenarios,
(26:10):
Like tell us, we want to know. And I think
that the reason they are putting this out there is
because Matt has been trying to sell a different story
on his podcast and if anything, he has been receiving
a lot of sympathy and he's sort of been playing
off that it was Tammy's fault, yeah, or the divorce.
I mean, even on his podcast last week. He was
talking about how much it's been affecting him seeing Tiktoks
(26:33):
of Lapland, which is where he and Tammy went for
their honeymoon, and about how he's going to be alone
this Christmas, and again you would get the vibe that
she was the one who was responsible for the split
and who cut things off. Yeah, Matt's story isn't that
consistent because he makes it sound like he was the
one that was dumped, but then he's spoken about the
fact that he was the one that decided to leave
(26:55):
the marriage. Yeah, I think they've got to stop talking
in these constant riddles because it is getting very confusing.
I mean, Tammy spoke about having rose colored glasses on
at the start of their relationship, which was quite interesting,
and she warned her listeners that early red flags are
going to be ten times worse later on. But that
is quite telling. Can you believe that this Sunday would
(27:17):
have been their first wedding? Antiverse like that blows my mind.
I remember when the pap photos of the pink dress
came out, the drone images. It does not seem that
long ago at all. Yeah, it's pretty wild. I mean,
it's going to be an emotional time for both of them,
and predicting that they'll both put something up. Well, I mean,
surely that's a weekend where you want to keep busy,
(27:37):
maybe go on a trip, take your mind off things.
Tammy did touch on the wedding, describing it as an
expensive learning experience. Are we assuming she paid for it all? Oh?
You get that vibe. It's clear that she has done
quite a lot of self reflection and also a lot
of therapy since the divorce. Because she admitted that she
had been naive entering into the relationship, her sisters like, yes,
(28:00):
yes you were. Let's take a listen to what she said.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I feel like I genuinely like have learnt though now
that I can't be so you know, like naive when
it comes to just like fought me in love And
that's something that you had to learn on your own,
as much as we could try and give you advice.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
And it's it hurts me very.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Much shame that I had to go through like a
whole wedding to learn that lesson and publicly like at
the time, obviously I didn't think I was going to
be getting divorce. Obviously you thought it was forever, So
you're grieving a future that you saw as well.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah, like, but hindsight's twenty twenty. Like it's so crazy
to me now, Like, looking pack, I see so many
things that I didn't like notice at the time that
people around me were telling me, and I just felt.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Like why they say, like love is blind blinding. I
was definitely blind at the time.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I think I just like, I think I just wanted, like,
you know, the fairy tels.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
This would be very validating for Amy and Emily because
they were probably the loudest voices in Tammy's life telling
her that, you know, there are a lot of red flags,
don't marry this guy. I would say that one of
the early red flags that we know about is when
Matt attended Tammy's New Year's Eve party, So it was
hosted at her place, and according to Emily and Amy,
he kept referring to it as our house. So they
(29:36):
mentioned that on his podcast during that infamous interview, and
he's like, I don't recall that, and they're like, you
definitely did. Isn't that just such an ick when someone
puts claim to something that is not theirs, that is
the result of someone else's hard work. Yeah, I mean
it did give a bit of clout chasing vibes there,
and it did lead obviously her FAUNI me to question
whether he was interested in her money. I mean, they
did end up signing a prenup, so it'd be interesting
(29:59):
to actually see what happens with the divorce, whether he
will get any money. Well, that is where we're going
to leave things today. But if you want to hear
more from us, we drop a subscriber only episode every Thursday.
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