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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Coming up on today's show, Kayla had seen As reveals
the moment she knew her relationship with Toby Pearce wasn't right.
Sarah's Day says she's too busy to post content and
why Steph Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw's business messaging doesn't
run skin deep. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your
dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice
(00:24):
a week. I'm Amy Torbert and I cannot stop scrolling
on TikTok to find out more about what has happened
to Kate Middleton. Oh, it's an addiction for me. At
this point, you don't think that the rumors can get
any more wild? And then another TikTok drops, particularly what
has dropped on Monday. Yeah, so the latest twist in
this whole saga is that their unconfirmed reports that the
(00:45):
BBC is on high alert for an announcement from the
royal family. And these started off as just rumors on
TikTok initially, but then when Forbes magazine started printing about
these rumors, that's when things started getting wild.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Well, it seems like the Palace have never dealt with
anything like this. Before, because TikTok really is a place
for everyday people to break news, and the Palace can't
control what's coming out of TikTok. They have the Royal
Rota where they can control the messaging that's coming out
from certain press, but this has gone a whole new
level and they will be forced to come out and
(01:19):
say something. Yeah, it's becoming even tougher for the Palace
because now they've got thousands of citizen journalists who are
able to analyze these new images that they're putting out
to an inch of their life. Particularly also because these
people have so much time on their hands, like a
lot of them are quite young people. They're not constrained
by working in a newsroom and having to compete with stories.
(01:41):
If they have an interest in it, they're digging deep. Yeah,
But it's also because they don't have to follow the
same ethics as journalists. Because people are talking about cheating scandals,
they're talking about all this wild stuff. And the latest
theory is that the BBC are either going to announce
the death of King Charles, which is i've that's not
the case, or that he's in a hospice. That's one
(02:02):
of the reasons. The other one is that they're going
to announce that Kate and will are getting divorced. I
really wouldn't be surprised if we were going to get
a separation announcement because even the way that the media
are phrasing things about Kate Middleton, because usually we see
Prince William and Kate come as a pair, but now
she's been singled out. It was her fault for the
(02:23):
editing mishap. There is a theory on TikTok that members
of the Royal Rot are becoming really pissed off at
the Royal Family. And as Kate mentioned before, the Royal
Rot are always backing what the Royal Family say. They
don't post many scandalous stories. They're in cahoots with the
Royal Family essentially because they want to get the first
on a big scoop. Hence why the BBC, who are
(02:45):
a part of the Royal Rot are on high alert
about to put out a message about the Royal fans
potentially if that rumor is true. But what a lot
of people are saying online is is that the Royal
roter are pissed off because the Royal Family gave them
that photoshopped pick Kate and the kids, and it's made
the media look stupid for running it because everyone's been
focusing on just how incorrect the image is. So what
(03:07):
they're now doing is they're starting to post articles. For example,
there was one on Rose Hanbury, who people are saying
has had an affair with Prince William. There is no
confirmation about this whatsoever. It is just a rumor online,
very fishy rumor. So now this article in the press.
They didn't tie Rose to Prince William, but people think
that the media has put this out as a bit
(03:27):
of a threat, going we know your secrets. If you
keep feeding us bullshit images, we are going to start
saying this. And this rumor about Rose has been one
that has been in the pipeline for quite a few
years because Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. If you read
between the lines, they believe that the royal family used
Meghan as a distraction. They've thrown her out to the
(03:49):
wolves to try and avoid people talking about William and Rose,
as well as the BBC rumors. The Sun interestingly printed
today that there was a sighting of Kate out and
about the will and also the kids. But yet no
one took any photos of it. Apparently the public wanted
to respect her privacy. Do you buy this or is
this just part of the Royal rotor doing what they've
(04:10):
been told to do and printing a story about Kate
that's not necessarily true. I don't buy this for one second.
The amount of money that someone could make out of
snapping a photo of her in public for the first
time with Prince William would be astronomical. So I don't
believe that she somehow was walking around town going to
the shops and no one captured a photo of and
(04:31):
this was front page news. It It just makes the
whole thing even weirder, and it just feels like something
sinister is going on. Is I don't like where this
is headed, and I understand that by the time this
goes to air, potentially there would have been an update
on BBC, So I'm just so interested to see if
(04:52):
something comes out in the next few days. The only
amusing thing is if Kate does reappear at Easter time
like she's meant to, there's going to be a lot
of people backtracking on TikTok because I don't know if
this has just been blown out of proportion because of TikTok.
I hope it has, but as you said, I have
a really awful feeling there's something that's not sitting right
about this story. I've never procrastinated hauling my own collection
(05:17):
as much as this one. Amid pregnancy speculation, Sarah's Day
has addressed the real reason she was mia from social
media last week. Now it turns out she hasn't had
any shortage of ideas, but just hasn't got enough time
to actually post the content she films. So it's quite
interesting because she was talking about her process and she
says that she barely has to actually edit the content
(05:39):
she creates for Instagram and TikTok reels, and it just
seems to be that she hasn't got time to actually
press posts and write a caption. But I'm confused because
she has an editor. Her name's Georgia. She talks better constantly.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Well, on this reel, which has over one million views,
she actually responded to a comment that said something similar.
So someone wrote thinks she forgot the point where she
has a whole team, and she wrote back, this is
a really hard one to explain, especially in a comment.
I have an editor for my YouTube vlogs, but would
never give away my accounts, particularly reels, stories and tiktoks.
It's about me being spontaneous and personal. I don't work
(06:14):
well off a schedule, and I don't like giving my
raw clips away. I'm the brains and creative behind Sarah's day.
It's been like this for over ten years, and I
love it this way. I just need my schedule time
to post what's in my head. My team more so
assists with customer service management and YouTube editing. That's it.
That's interesting that she says she doesn't like to give
(06:34):
raw clips over because I would assume a lot of
the more interesting raw clips would be those that go
into her YouTube video or if she's worried about any
content getting out. But then she also said that she
barely edits any of the videos anyway, So why can't
she just put them all into an iCloud and then
someone schedule them in for her and put a caption.
Would be good for her almost to have somebody to
(06:55):
stop her from posting some of the ridiculous, impulsive tiktots
and reels. She needs some moderation. Yeah, I find that
quite fascinating that her editor's role is only focused on
YouTube because a lot of the time influencers have to
generate a lot of sponsored tiktoks and real so you
would think that she would want to utilize her specialty
(07:15):
in editing, because, if anything, I think that a lot
of the content is more competitive, So she's doing a
lot of holes for brands like White Fox Boutique, and
I would have thought that she would want to integate
some cool technique. But I don't know if her editor
necessarily is some hugely experienced editor. I feel like she
probably wears a lot of hats in that business, answering
a lot of the customer service. I think it comes
(07:36):
down to the fact that Sarah is a control freak,
and we've seen it with Kayla Estinas. She didn't want
to give away her logins either. It kind of is
admirable because she knows what her audience actually wants. But
I think with Kayla, she actually referenced it in her
interview on No Filter that we're going to talk about
a little bit later, she said that back in the day,
(07:57):
they didn't actually have scheduling apps. However, she utilized as
a scheduling app, and I do think that she actually
does use members of her team to actually share the
content and post it at some times. And the thing
is a lot of her followers are crying out for
more content. I think that they would rather see her
be more regular on her Instagram stories and be putting
out reels because she was really known in twenty seventeen
(08:19):
as having a very aspirational feed and taking a lot
of photos because Kurt took a lot of her photos.
But now that his career has really taken off, they
don't have that aspirational couple content. If you look, most
of her stuff is just reels. Yeah, but someone doing
the editing isn't going to allow her to actually put
up more Instagram stories. She's going to do that herself.
But she said that she literally shoots content all day
(08:40):
every day, but she just forgets to post it. So
for me, I would think that was an easy fix.
And every time you shoot some content, you add it
to your iCloud or your shared folder with your staff
and that they schedule it in. I think we're actually
missing an important point. And a lot of people thought
she was Mia last week because she's pregnant. So I
do feel comfortable to speculate on this because Sarah has
(09:01):
not shied away from actually baiting people about her pregnancy.
She's been posting videos since late last year talking about
her fertility journey and saying that she actually wants to
fall pregnant, and she's gone a little bit quiet on it,
which has people thinking, well, perhaps she's actually pregnant. This
is the bad thing. When you bring it up, it's
going to become a point of discussion for her followers. Yeah,
(09:21):
exactly right. And it was actually her son Malachi's second birthday,
and she baited everyone again by sharing this bluey cake
that she was making, and everyone was quite invested in
it because she said she was putting a lot of
effort in And suddenly a couple of days went by
and no one had seen the cake. And then she
jumped on her Instagram and said that her son Malachi
had been hallucinating and that her other son Fox probably
(09:43):
needed surgery because he might have a twisted bow. And
then she hasn't provided any updates scenes. Oh my gosh.
Just back to influencers who hire editors, and so if
you were talking about how Sarah's followersould probably prefer to
see more content than not enough. I have noticed this
tra and when a lot of YouTubers get big, they
do hire external people to do stuff and the content
(10:05):
is shit. Like for example, this is very random, but
you know that Beard meets food. He's his competitive eater.
He has been putting out content that other videographers have
shot for him and it's just not as good as
the stuff he shoots himself. And I feel like Sarah
was doing that last year. She was coming up with
these like weird ideas where she'd have her favorite things
and the content was just bombing because people actually want
(10:28):
to see creator laid content. But she still has an
editor for her YouTube channel and she's only put out
seven videos for the whole year. I'm surprised she has
only put out seven, But then again, I would rather
see her authentic content than some of the stuff that
she was putting out that was clearly shot by a
different videographer and was not her style. But the whole
thing is what she has said is she's filmed with
(10:49):
the content, but she just doesn't press posts. So surely
that is an easy fix.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Controversial opinion.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
We don't believe in resolution, but we do believe in
good intentions.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Fitness queens Steph Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw have opened
up about their experience with botox and the pressure they
feel to remain youthful. While some areas of the Internet
are applauding their honesty, others are questioning why their body
confidence messaging doesn't extend to their faces. Now, Sophie, can
you tell us more?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Well, step and Laura put out a podcast entitled Our
Thoughts on Botox, Feler and Anti Aging, and they started
the segment by saying that it was a much requested topic. Now,
we have recently spoken about the different direction that their
podcast has headed in since they signed with Listener, and
how a lot of their segments have been very click baity,
and this was the vibe I got about this segment,
(11:40):
particularly because they posted a teaser on Instagram to it.
But in that teaser they didn't actually address whether they
had botox themselves, which was a big question, and when
they were asked, they said, oh, you have to go
listen to the episode. Now, I found this segment all
over the place, and it was very clear that Steph
and Laura didn't want to offend anyone, so they tried
(12:00):
to appease their audience with constant disclaimers and also conflicting
messages about how insecure they are about their own wrinkles,
but for everyone else, it's one million percent nothing to
be ashamed of. And it's very clear that they were
conscious of still trying to push their body confidence messaging
that they've built through their fitness app Kick, but it
is a message that has been falling short this past
(12:23):
year as they have opened up more on their podcasts,
and I do understand their desire to show both sides
and not ostracize different sections of their audience, but it
made it really unclear what their actual point or opinion
on cosmetic surgery was. Yeah. I got really frustrated listening
to this episode, and I do notice that Laura does
this a lot because she seems like such a lovely
(12:44):
person and comes across as a bit of a people pleaser,
And when you have a podcast where you're sharing your opinion,
that doesn't really work as a good mix, because I
find Laura constantly uses disclaimers, not just in this segment,
but a lot of them because she is so keen
not to offend everyone. I heard this interesting quote from
Piers Morgan that I do agree with. He said that
if you're in the business of sharing an opinion, then
(13:07):
of course you were going to have some backlash and
you're going to cause waves, and you're not doing your
job if you don't. Well, that's why I find it
very surprising that they keep pushing with the kickpod, because
I think they have such a successful business that has
a clear message. You can tell they are working with
marketing professionals to make sure that people know what kickstands for.
They've changed their name from keep It Cleaner. They are
(13:28):
very aware of the messaging and that's why I'm at
a loss to understand this rebranding of their podcast.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Well, for those who haven't listened to the segment, Laura
started off by reading out a quote from someone with
a terminal illness who said that aging is a gift
and not promised. Everyone getting rinkles means you're still alive,
how very lucky you are. There are people who wish
so hard for the chance to go wrinkles. So I thought, Okay,
it's clear what direction this segment is moving in. They
(13:54):
were going to talk about being confident about your rink
calls and owning it. However, Following this quote, Laura then
launched into the pressure that she felt to get botox,
as she said that it's become very normalized in her
social circles. Here's what she said.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
So, I have had it once in my life.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I had it.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
It was probably about one year ago, and I went
back and forth in my head for probably two years
about it, and I was asking myself, do I want
to get this for me because this frownline bothers me
and I would prefer not to have it, which is
completely my prerogative in my choice. Or do I want
to get this because everyone, like a lot of people
around me have botox and have no lines on their
(14:35):
faces and also on social media, and so I feel
pressure that I have to get it otherwise I will
look different to the majority of people.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I found this concept of not wanting to look different
from the majority of people in your age group a
really interesting one and it's one that I do relate to.
I do notice when I go online that my Instagram
feed is inundated with people on their story speaking to
camera and their faces aren't moving at all. They have
beautiful foreheads that just are so shiny and don't look
(15:07):
like there's one wrinkle on them whatsoever. And that's why
it was so interesting to hear Laura and Steph talk
openly about it, because, as we've mentioned, they seem to
contradict themselves a lot. They spoke in circles, and I
think it just shows how much of a tough topic
this is for women in our age group, because it's
so hard not to be swayed by societal pressures, and
(15:28):
those pressures are very tough on women. Women are expected
to look a certain way, and that is young and thin,
and I think what is so jarring here is the
fact that they have tried so hard to push body
positivity within their app but it's not matching up them
talking about aging in this way. Well, she did draw
a very strange parallel to dyeing your hair and getting botox,
(15:49):
saying that dyeing your hair is hiding the effects of aging,
just like getting wrinkle injections, And even as she said it,
I could hear her second guessing herself. There has been,
as you say, Kay, a total rebrand of cosmetic work.
And I find it interesting that these two fitness influencers
are talking about it because I think it's a similar
rebrand that the fitness industry has had, because nowadays you
(16:13):
can only work out for your mental health or to
feel strong. You can't work out because you want to
look good or lose weight. And it's the same with botox,
because you can only get it done if you feel
empowered in your decision, and it's not for anyone else.
You can't get it because society has told you, and
you're trying to keep up with your friends and you
want to look younger. It's all these rules that you
have to stick to in order to get it. That's
(16:34):
what I found quite frustrating when I was listening to it,
because step and Laura kept saying, oh, you know, if
it's fine, if you're getting it done because you really
want to and you haven't been pressured by society. But
let's be honest, every single person that gets it done,
there is a societal pressure on them, because you don't
just come out of your mother's womb and decide that
(16:56):
you hate your body and you hate your rinkles like
that is something that is bestowed down upon us, particularly
as females. I found it quite odd because once Laura
had opened up about getting cosmetic work done, Steph then
started to critique influencers who promoted the cosmetic work that
they'd had done, and it just seemed a bit in
contradiction because Laura is an influencer with a young, impressionable
(17:18):
following and she had just literally detailed her experience with botox.
Here's a snippet of what Steph said.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Now, sixteen seventeen year old girls are on social media
and they're looking at eighteen year old girls who or
nineteen twenty who are just in their everyday life casually
getting it done. And that's where I have an issue
with it because and it's not about lying to people,
because again I don't care if you get it. It's
(17:47):
more just like, in a way, you're kind of encouraging
it in a way by showing it, by showing that
you do it and talking about it as often as
some do. I believe in a way you are encouraging it.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
After I heard this, thought maybe Steph had been asked
to take the anti botox side and sort of push
the kick branding message about loving yourself regardless of wrinkles.
But following these comments, she then said that she had
to be honest, and she said that she's also had
work done.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Here's what she said, and like I one hundred percent,
I'll be honest as well. I've had it I think
four or five times. I got it once before my
wedding to test if I liked it. Then I got
it for my wedding, and then I didn't get it
for two years, and then I got it once again randomly.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Maybe this is their way of making an excuse as
to why they haven't been authentic and open about the
botox that they've got to their followers, because, as we've
touched on, it's not on brand for them to actually
talk about botox, so and now they've been put into
a corner where they have to talk about it. So
it sounds like they're saying, oh, well, we haven't spoken
about it because we don't want to be seen to
(18:52):
be promoting it. True. I mean, I actually disagree. I
actually prefer when influencers are open about the procedures that
they get done, because when you look at Stefan Laura,
they have beautiful bodies, they have beautiful faces. They've both
been in the modeling industry, they tick all the beauty
box standards. So I have personally found it a bit
of a struggle in the past to take on their
(19:14):
body positive messaging when it would be pretty easy to
be body positive when you look like them. So it
was interesting to hear them talk about the fact that
they also struggle comparing themselves to other influencers online. But
I almost think that they should have just not spoken
about it because it is so off brand and it
(19:34):
just comes across as so contradictory. Well, they did finish
up the segment by saying, I want to make sure
people don't feel like they need to or have to
get botox or feel it to fit in, and that
there's nothing wrong with lines or wrinkles. However, how are
we supposed to believe that message when both of them
have succumbed to it. It just doesn't really make sense,
do you think it? They were kind of pushing that
(19:56):
they succumb to it because they're in the public eye
and there's more pressure on them. I meant that me
immortals don't have to worry about.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well, I was surprised to hear that Steph got botox
done for her wedding because she got married at the
end of twenty nineteen when she was twenty six years old,
and she famously wore a two piece wedding dress that
showed off her aps and it led to a lot
of media speculation at the time as to what was
her fitness routine like before the wedding, and Steph really
(20:22):
did push back on that concept of the webshred and
at the time she said, what makes us feel like
we have to look different? I don't feel like I
need to change. I feel good in my own skin.
I'm not changing anything at all. And it is hard
to listen back to that then knowing that she was
getting botox in the lead up to her wedding, As
everyone said, it's your own progative what you get done.
(20:43):
But to come out and say, oh, I'm happy in
the skin I'm in, Why do I want to look different?
It just seems like different messaging there. Does it just
show what a bit of a face the whole fitness
industry is at the moment. Because I did hear an
interesting discussion on Mma Mia out loud about Jennifer Aniston's
new fitness app when everyone was saying it was quite
confronting because the promotion was kind of what you would
(21:03):
expect from fifteen years ago, where it was all about
the before and after and flogging yourself in the gym,
and people were almost put off because the marketing wasn't
nicely packaged up to be about your mental health and
making you feel better. But to be honest, even though
that's not how it's marketed, most people do engage in
(21:24):
fitness programs because they want to change their esthetic. So
I just feel like it really does shine a light
on how fake that whole industry is and how in
this day and age, it seems like we need things
to be palatable in order for us to accept them.
But nothing has changed. Women are still expected to be
thin and youthful, and in reality, most people will probably
(21:45):
sign up to Jennifer Aniston's fitness thing because they've gone, oh,
I like that before and after. I mean, is that
more credible for her to put that out there, because
at least she's being honest and she's not pretending to
be something that she's not. I think that they think
that they're being honest by talking about the cosmetic work
that they had done, and they are in a sense,
but that's why it just now comes at total odds
with what their brand messaging is For Kick, I do
(22:07):
want to point out though we're not trying to put
the blame on Stephan Laura, because this is the whole
societal thing that needs to be unpacked. But I just
think they probably shouldn't have spoken about it because it
just shows how many flaws there are and how many
contradictions there are in that whole marketing space in the
fitness and wellness industry.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
One day you just wake up and it.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Just hits you.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Kayla at Sina's didn't shy away from the tough questions.
In her recent interview on No Filter, the fitness influencer
opened up about how she knew her relationship with Toby
Pears wasn't right, to the juicy details about how she
turned friendship into a marriage. I feel like more recently
we have been getting a bit more of an insight
into Kayla at Senas and what she actually thinks, because
(22:54):
there was a time when she wasn't doing any interviews,
but more recently she has appeared on quite a few podcasts.
This time, she wasn't holding anything back, so she said
that she woke up one day and it hit her
that her relationship with her then fiance and baby daddy
Toby Pierce wasn't working. Let's write a more of what
she said, and I want.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
This to come out and told me like what like
we can both agree. We are different people with different
morals with We're just different and it worked so well
in business. And you've got to remember, like we were
very young, we were very entebul agree, we're very young.
He was one year younger than me. When you think
something's working, it might be working in one area that
(23:34):
is business, and it was a fantastic business and it
was rewarding business and you've got that high and you've
got that happiness. But as humans in a relationship for
the rest of your life, if you are the polar
opposite like we're in business, you're not going to connect romantically.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It's just it is what it is. There's no hierarchy,
there's no like I'm the kind one. Do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
There was, yes, Yes. She went on to refute the
claims the opposites attract, saying that she's truly best friends
with her now husband, Jay Woodroff. Let's throw to more
of what she.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Said, and people say opposites a track.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
I disagree, may and I am very similar my husband
now We're just so similar that we are best friends.
The first thing that goes right in my life in
a day, I'll call him.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
If I want to go on a holiday, I want
him with me. I'm gonna going with the girls. I'm
going with Jay like I'm going a blonde car ride.
I want my husband with me.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
He's my best friend, and that was not the case,
and I just, really, I don't know, you just want
to be with your best friend now.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
It is the first time that Kayla has addressed how
her and Jay actually got together. So back in twenty
twenty two, when Kayla and Jay were first spotted together,
there was a lot of speculation about how their relationship started,
so several news publications reported that Kayla and Jay used
to be neighbors when he was living with his then
girlfriend Lauren Belotti in malvin Later on, photos then resurface
(25:02):
of a couple's holiday that Kayla and Jay went on
in May twenty twenty one with their then partners to Queensland,
and then months later the couple actually started dating. It's
quite funny because Kayla's Purpoo hilariously shut down cheating rumors
on his own Instagram account at the time, so he said,
So glad I can clear this mess up. Jay and
Kayla were best friends for years. It was Kayla, Jay
(25:23):
and Steve three idiots, both had partners, both split with
their partners, and later got together. Having been best friends
for years, it was easy to accept Jay into the
family because he already had been part of it as
Kayla's best friend. Any other variations to this story is
a lie slash guess Mike drop. Isn't it actually Kayla
and her sister Leah that run this account? Look it is,
(25:44):
but I suppose it was their way of getting that
messaging out there.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Kayla has provided further context of how her relationship started
with Jay. Let's throw to what she said.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I was actually friends with Jay's sister.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
So you know when they say like they're always there,
but you never see them, like they're just there. And
so I was friends with Jay's sister, best friends with
Jay's sister. She was just like she's the best, her
kids are the best. And Jay would always just pass.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Hi hi whatever.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Like we became friends, and we became single at the
same time, and we were still friends and we were
best friends. I just remember one day like we were
honestly best friends. Were in the car, were driving, and
I said, what are we gonna do? Like, what are
we actually gonna do? Like should we just build like
a friend's house and like just all live like because
it was like five, we always live as friends in
this house.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
And he's like, oh, we could be together. I was
like what, Like what did you just say?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
And he was like, well, like it kind of makes sense,
like we were together all the time, and if I
had a girlfriend, she weren't like me being so close
with you, and you if you had a partner, he
wouldn't like me being so close with you, So it.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Kind of makes sense.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
And I was like, I mean, it does make sense,
but I've only ever hugged you three times because we're
so that.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Makes no sense to me. I don't actually know what happened.
It was just like bang bang change, like I were
married the kid.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Do we think there's a bit more to the story
than that? Look, I think everyone knows that there is
more to this story, but it's very clear that Kayla
is trying to shut down any sort of cheating allegations.
She's really trying to push there that they were just friends.
I do think It's kind of sweet though, because you
could tell how much Kayla really loves Jay in this interview,
like she is in absolute awe of him. She would
(27:23):
light up when she spoke about him. And I do
think that the best relationships come from friendships. I wonder
if Jay was there for her when Toby maybe wasn't
being too nice because Toby, as Kayla said, they have
very different personalities and he has said himself that he
can be quite cold and not have much empathy, so
maybe he was there for her in those times. Yeah, well,
(27:45):
I think you have a point there, because reading between
the lines of this interview, it seems like Kayla and
Toby's relationship was more of a working one because she
spoke about how she felt really pressured to always be
producing social media content. So she said Toby used to
wake her up and be like, have you posted? And
she just said that now it is so different with Jay.
(28:05):
But to her and Jay now work together because she
said something in that interview about you know, waking up
and they hang out together and they work together. Well,
I think it's because he actually has his own business,
so maybe they're just working from home but on different projects.
And again that was another interesting part of the interview
because Kate Langebrook was really pushing the point about Kayla
(28:25):
having such a big fortune and whether it was hard
to actually date. And funnily enough, while Kayla and Jay
were just friends, he told her that it would be
really hard for her to date someone because her wealth
would be super intimidating to guys, and he said he
was going to sit back and laugh as he watched
her day other people. I mean, it sounds like he
was playing complete mind games because clearly he wanted to date. Hell,
(28:48):
he's quite wealthy from what I can understand as well. Well,
that's not to the level of Kayler. Well, that's what
she said. So she said to Kate that the difference
was that Jay is successful. So she said he has
his own company and his own houses. And then when
Kate push and said, well what does he actually do,
she said that his company houses people with acquiet brain injuries,
(29:08):
and that he also works on the side doing up
luxury car He's funny. My partner came home one night
and he'd been filming for a YouTube series on luxury cars,
and he's like, this young guy came in with really
white teeth and he had this epic car. I have
no idea how he afforded it, and he'd pimped it up.
It was from America, and I was like, is his
name Jay? He's like, oh, I think so that's Kayla.
(29:30):
It'd seen as his partner. Yeah, I mean, to be fair,
I think that he was doing that before he met Kayla.
So I do think that he does come from wealth,
which would make the whole situation easier. I did really
love the way Kayla spoke about Toby Pierce's fiance Rachel Dylan,
because I think that it would be easy for us
to assume that they wouldn't like each other because they're
both very successful fitness influencers in their own right. They
(29:53):
kind of look pretty similar. They're both very fit with
dark hair. But she just spoke so highly of Rachel
and put to bed in any of those sorts of
feuding rumors. Let's wrote to what she said honestly.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
And she is beautiful, She is so kind, so beautiful,
comes from a beautiful family. She will be honest stepmom,
and I could not be happier to have such a
beautiful role model for my daughter. I truly, honestly believe
that I have no problems because I'm so happy in
my life, and I think so many women are so
(30:26):
bitter when they're exs Yes, and someone else like, well, that's.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, it hurts. It hurts, yes, and that has.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Nothing like me. I'm like, okay, but you didn't like
them either, do you know what I mean? Like, you
guys are compatible. You need to find your person when
you're happy, and you found your person to care.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Just so happy for everyone to be happy.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I just think that this was a really refreshing example
of co parenting. And you can tell that they must
all get along pretty civilly, especially because Kayla and Jay
have moved to the Gold Coast to be close to
Toby and Rachel, and also the fact that Toby and
Kayla have to work and run this empire together. Of
course you're going to have to be cordial. I did
want to finish by talking about Kayla and Jay's wedding
(31:09):
because we haven't heard too much about it, but she
dropped some interesting little tidbits. So it turns out that
she actually wanted to get married in a registry office,
but it was her personal assistant who put her foot down.
She's like you cannot do it, and they're like, okay,
will you organize it then, and she's like, okay, I will.
So she ended up doing everything. Kayla said that it
took her two seconds to decide on her dress and
(31:32):
her ring, and essentially she just rocked up to her
house and the personal assistant had done everything. Gosh, I
wish I had a personal assistant to arrange my wedding
because I feel like I'm quite similar to Kayla in
the sense where I didn't really care about my dress,
didn't really care about the final detail. Well, she did
still have a sponsored dress and they made the dress.
It was a custom dress for her, so it must
(31:52):
have taken a little bit longer than two sets. Probably
the personal assistant was there saying this is what she wants,
She's try The personal assistant tries to dress on, waning
to get you to try dresses on for me. So,
because I couldn't be bothered, offered to do it for you.
If she still didn't wait, where just your unpaid personal assistants. Well,
I think that is all we have time for today.
Thank you so much for joining us for this episode.
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Coming up on today's show, Kayla had seen As reveals
the moment she knew her relationship with Toby Pearce wasn't right.
Sarah's Day says she's too busy to post content and
why Steph Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw's business messaging doesn't
run skin deep. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your
dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice
(00:24):
a week. I'm Amy Torbert and I cannot stop scrolling
on TikTok to find out more about what has happened
to Kate Middleton. Oh, it's an addiction for me. At
this point, you don't think that the rumors can get
any more wild? And then another TikTok drops, particularly what
has dropped on Monday. Yeah, so the latest twist in
this whole saga is that their unconfirmed reports that the
(00:45):
BBC is on high alert for an announcement from the
royal family. And these started off as just rumors on
TikTok initially, but then when Forbes magazine started printing about
these rumors, that's when things started getting wild.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Well, it seems like the Palace have never dealt with
anything like this. Before, because TikTok really is a place
for everyday people to break news, and the Palace can't
control what's coming out of TikTok. They have the Royal
Rota where they can control the messaging that's coming out
from certain press, but this has gone a whole new
level and they will be forced to come out and
(01:19):
say something. Yeah, it's becoming even tougher for the Palace
because now they've got thousands of citizen journalists who are
able to analyze these new images that they're putting out
to an inch of their life. Particularly also because these
people have so much time on their hands, like a
lot of them are quite young people. They're not constrained
by working in a newsroom and having to compete with stories.
(01:41):
If they have an interest in it, they're digging deep. Yeah,
But it's also because they don't have to follow the
same ethics as journalists. Because people are talking about cheating scandals,
they're talking about all this wild stuff. And the latest
theory is that the BBC are either going to announce
the death of King Charles, which is i've that's not
the case, or that he's in a hospice. That's one
(02:02):
of the reasons. The other one is that they're going
to announce that Kate and will are getting divorced. I
really wouldn't be surprised if we were going to get
a separation announcement because even the way that the media
are phrasing things about Kate Middleton, because usually we see
Prince William and Kate come as a pair, but now
she's been singled out. It was her fault for the
(02:23):
editing mishap. There is a theory on TikTok that members
of the Royal Rot are becoming really pissed off at
the Royal Family. And as Kate mentioned before, the Royal
Rot are always backing what the Royal Family say. They
don't post many scandalous stories. They're in cahoots with the
Royal Family essentially because they want to get the first
on a big scoop. Hence why the BBC, who are
(02:45):
a part of the Royal Rot are on high alert
about to put out a message about the Royal fans
potentially if that rumor is true. But what a lot
of people are saying online is is that the Royal
roter are pissed off because the Royal Family gave them
that photoshopped pick Kate and the kids, and it's made
the media look stupid for running it because everyone's been
focusing on just how incorrect the image is. So what
(03:07):
they're now doing is they're starting to post articles. For example,
there was one on Rose Hanbury, who people are saying
has had an affair with Prince William. There is no
confirmation about this whatsoever. It is just a rumor online,
very fishy rumor. So now this article in the press.
They didn't tie Rose to Prince William, but people think
that the media has put this out as a bit
(03:27):
of a threat, going we know your secrets. If you
keep feeding us bullshit images, we are going to start
saying this. And this rumor about Rose has been one
that has been in the pipeline for quite a few
years because Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. If you read
between the lines, they believe that the royal family used
Meghan as a distraction. They've thrown her out to the
(03:49):
wolves to try and avoid people talking about William and Rose,
as well as the BBC rumors. The Sun interestingly printed
today that there was a sighting of Kate out and
about the will and also the kids. But yet no
one took any photos of it. Apparently the public wanted
to respect her privacy. Do you buy this or is
this just part of the Royal rotor doing what they've
(04:10):
been told to do and printing a story about Kate
that's not necessarily true. I don't buy this for one second.
The amount of money that someone could make out of
snapping a photo of her in public for the first
time with Prince William would be astronomical. So I don't
believe that she somehow was walking around town going to
the shops and no one captured a photo of and
(04:31):
this was front page news. It It just makes the
whole thing even weirder, and it just feels like something
sinister is going on. Is I don't like where this
is headed, and I understand that by the time this
goes to air, potentially there would have been an update
on BBC, So I'm just so interested to see if
(04:52):
something comes out in the next few days. The only
amusing thing is if Kate does reappear at Easter time
like she's meant to, there's going to be a lot
of people backtracking on TikTok because I don't know if
this has just been blown out of proportion because of TikTok.
I hope it has, but as you said, I have
a really awful feeling there's something that's not sitting right
about this story. I've never procrastinated hauling my own collection
(05:17):
as much as this one. Amid pregnancy speculation, Sarah's Day
has addressed the real reason she was mia from social
media last week. Now it turns out she hasn't had
any shortage of ideas, but just hasn't got enough time
to actually post the content she films. So it's quite
interesting because she was talking about her process and she
says that she barely has to actually edit the content
(05:39):
she creates for Instagram and TikTok reels, and it just
seems to be that she hasn't got time to actually
press posts and write a caption. But I'm confused because
she has an editor. Her name's Georgia. She talks better constantly.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Well, on this reel, which has over one million views,
she actually responded to a comment that said something similar.
So someone wrote thinks she forgot the point where she
has a whole team, and she wrote back, this is
a really hard one to explain, especially in a comment.
I have an editor for my YouTube vlogs, but would
never give away my accounts, particularly reels, stories and tiktoks.
It's about me being spontaneous and personal. I don't work
(06:14):
well off a schedule, and I don't like giving my
raw clips away. I'm the brains and creative behind Sarah's day.
It's been like this for over ten years, and I
love it this way. I just need my schedule time
to post what's in my head. My team more so
assists with customer service management and YouTube editing. That's it.
That's interesting that she says she doesn't like to give
(06:34):
raw clips over because I would assume a lot of
the more interesting raw clips would be those that go
into her YouTube video or if she's worried about any
content getting out. But then she also said that she
barely edits any of the videos anyway, So why can't
she just put them all into an iCloud and then
someone schedule them in for her and put a caption.
Would be good for her almost to have somebody to
(06:55):
stop her from posting some of the ridiculous, impulsive tiktots
and reels. She needs some moderation. Yeah, I find that
quite fascinating that her editor's role is only focused on
YouTube because a lot of the time influencers have to
generate a lot of sponsored tiktoks and real so you
would think that she would want to utilize her specialty
(07:15):
in editing, because, if anything, I think that a lot
of the content is more competitive, So she's doing a
lot of holes for brands like White Fox Boutique, and
I would have thought that she would want to integate
some cool technique. But I don't know if her editor
necessarily is some hugely experienced editor. I feel like she
probably wears a lot of hats in that business, answering
a lot of the customer service. I think it comes
(07:36):
down to the fact that Sarah is a control freak,
and we've seen it with Kayla Estinas. She didn't want
to give away her logins either. It kind of is
admirable because she knows what her audience actually wants. But
I think with Kayla, she actually referenced it in her
interview on No Filter that we're going to talk about
a little bit later, she said that back in the day,
(07:57):
they didn't actually have scheduling apps. However, she utilized as
a scheduling app, and I do think that she actually
does use members of her team to actually share the
content and post it at some times. And the thing
is a lot of her followers are crying out for
more content. I think that they would rather see her
be more regular on her Instagram stories and be putting
out reels because she was really known in twenty seventeen
(08:19):
as having a very aspirational feed and taking a lot
of photos because Kurt took a lot of her photos.
But now that his career has really taken off, they
don't have that aspirational couple content. If you look, most
of her stuff is just reels. Yeah, but someone doing
the editing isn't going to allow her to actually put
up more Instagram stories. She's going to do that herself.
But she said that she literally shoots content all day
(08:40):
every day, but she just forgets to post it. So
for me, I would think that was an easy fix.
And every time you shoot some content, you add it
to your iCloud or your shared folder with your staff
and that they schedule it in. I think we're actually
missing an important point. And a lot of people thought
she was Mia last week because she's pregnant. So I
do feel comfortable to speculate on this because Sarah has
(09:01):
not shied away from actually baiting people about her pregnancy.
She's been posting videos since late last year talking about
her fertility journey and saying that she actually wants to
fall pregnant, and she's gone a little bit quiet on it,
which has people thinking, well, perhaps she's actually pregnant. This
is the bad thing. When you bring it up, it's
going to become a point of discussion for her followers. Yeah,
(09:21):
exactly right. And it was actually her son Malachi's second birthday,
and she baited everyone again by sharing this bluey cake
that she was making, and everyone was quite invested in
it because she said she was putting a lot of
effort in And suddenly a couple of days went by
and no one had seen the cake. And then she
jumped on her Instagram and said that her son Malachi
had been hallucinating and that her other son Fox probably
(09:43):
needed surgery because he might have a twisted bow. And
then she hasn't provided any updates scenes. Oh my gosh.
Just back to influencers who hire editors, and so if
you were talking about how Sarah's followersould probably prefer to
see more content than not enough. I have noticed this
tra and when a lot of YouTubers get big, they
do hire external people to do stuff and the content
(10:05):
is shit. Like for example, this is very random, but
you know that Beard meets food. He's his competitive eater.
He has been putting out content that other videographers have
shot for him and it's just not as good as
the stuff he shoots himself. And I feel like Sarah
was doing that last year. She was coming up with
these like weird ideas where she'd have her favorite things
and the content was just bombing because people actually want
(10:28):
to see creator laid content. But she still has an
editor for her YouTube channel and she's only put out
seven videos for the whole year. I'm surprised she has
only put out seven, But then again, I would rather
see her authentic content than some of the stuff that
she was putting out that was clearly shot by a
different videographer and was not her style. But the whole
thing is what she has said is she's filmed with
(10:49):
the content, but she just doesn't press posts. So surely
that is an easy fix.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Controversial opinion.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
We don't believe in resolution, but we do believe in
good intentions.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Fitness queens Steph Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw have opened
up about their experience with botox and the pressure they
feel to remain youthful. While some areas of the Internet
are applauding their honesty, others are questioning why their body
confidence messaging doesn't extend to their faces. Now, Sophie, can
you tell us more?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Well, step and Laura put out a podcast entitled Our
Thoughts on Botox, Feler and Anti Aging, and they started
the segment by saying that it was a much requested topic. Now,
we have recently spoken about the different direction that their
podcast has headed in since they signed with Listener, and
how a lot of their segments have been very click baity,
and this was the vibe I got about this segment,
(11:40):
particularly because they posted a teaser on Instagram to it.
But in that teaser they didn't actually address whether they
had botox themselves, which was a big question, and when
they were asked, they said, oh, you have to go
listen to the episode. Now, I found this segment all
over the place, and it was very clear that Steph
and Laura didn't want to offend anyone, so they tried
(12:00):
to appease their audience with constant disclaimers and also conflicting
messages about how insecure they are about their own wrinkles,
but for everyone else, it's one million percent nothing to
be ashamed of. And it's very clear that they were
conscious of still trying to push their body confidence messaging
that they've built through their fitness app Kick, but it
is a message that has been falling short this past
(12:23):
year as they have opened up more on their podcasts,
and I do understand their desire to show both sides
and not ostracize different sections of their audience, but it
made it really unclear what their actual point or opinion
on cosmetic surgery was. Yeah. I got really frustrated listening
to this episode, and I do notice that Laura does
this a lot because she seems like such a lovely
(12:44):
person and comes across as a bit of a people pleaser,
And when you have a podcast where you're sharing your opinion,
that doesn't really work as a good mix, because I
find Laura constantly uses disclaimers, not just in this segment,
but a lot of them because she is so keen
not to offend everyone. I heard this interesting quote from
Piers Morgan that I do agree with. He said that
if you're in the business of sharing an opinion, then
(13:07):
of course you were going to have some backlash and
you're going to cause waves, and you're not doing your
job if you don't. Well, that's why I find it
very surprising that they keep pushing with the kickpod, because
I think they have such a successful business that has
a clear message. You can tell they are working with
marketing professionals to make sure that people know what kickstands for.
They've changed their name from keep It Cleaner. They are
(13:28):
very aware of the messaging and that's why I'm at
a loss to understand this rebranding of their podcast.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Well, for those who haven't listened to the segment, Laura
started off by reading out a quote from someone with
a terminal illness who said that aging is a gift
and not promised. Everyone getting rinkles means you're still alive,
how very lucky you are. There are people who wish
so hard for the chance to go wrinkles. So I thought, Okay,
it's clear what direction this segment is moving in. They
(13:54):
were going to talk about being confident about your rink
calls and owning it. However, Following this quote, Laura then
launched into the pressure that she felt to get botox,
as she said that it's become very normalized in her
social circles. Here's what she said.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
So, I have had it once in my life.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I had it.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
It was probably about one year ago, and I went
back and forth in my head for probably two years
about it, and I was asking myself, do I want
to get this for me because this frownline bothers me
and I would prefer not to have it, which is
completely my prerogative in my choice. Or do I want
to get this because everyone, like a lot of people
around me have botox and have no lines on their
(14:35):
faces and also on social media, and so I feel
pressure that I have to get it otherwise I will
look different to the majority of people.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I found this concept of not wanting to look different
from the majority of people in your age group a
really interesting one and it's one that I do relate to.
I do notice when I go online that my Instagram
feed is inundated with people on their story speaking to
camera and their faces aren't moving at all. They have
beautiful foreheads that just are so shiny and don't look
(15:07):
like there's one wrinkle on them whatsoever. And that's why
it was so interesting to hear Laura and Steph talk
openly about it, because, as we've mentioned, they seem to
contradict themselves a lot. They spoke in circles, and I
think it just shows how much of a tough topic
this is for women in our age group, because it's
so hard not to be swayed by societal pressures, and
(15:28):
those pressures are very tough on women. Women are expected
to look a certain way, and that is young and thin,
and I think what is so jarring here is the
fact that they have tried so hard to push body
positivity within their app but it's not matching up them
talking about aging in this way. Well, she did draw
a very strange parallel to dyeing your hair and getting botox,
(15:49):
saying that dyeing your hair is hiding the effects of aging,
just like getting wrinkle injections, And even as she said it,
I could hear her second guessing herself. There has been,
as you say, Kay, a total rebrand of cosmetic work.
And I find it interesting that these two fitness influencers
are talking about it because I think it's a similar
rebrand that the fitness industry has had, because nowadays you
(16:13):
can only work out for your mental health or to
feel strong. You can't work out because you want to
look good or lose weight. And it's the same with botox,
because you can only get it done if you feel
empowered in your decision, and it's not for anyone else.
You can't get it because society has told you, and
you're trying to keep up with your friends and you
want to look younger. It's all these rules that you
have to stick to in order to get it. That's
(16:34):
what I found quite frustrating when I was listening to it,
because step and Laura kept saying, oh, you know, if
it's fine, if you're getting it done because you really
want to and you haven't been pressured by society. But
let's be honest, every single person that gets it done,
there is a societal pressure on them, because you don't
just come out of your mother's womb and decide that
(16:56):
you hate your body and you hate your rinkles like
that is something that is bestowed down upon us, particularly
as females. I found it quite odd because once Laura
had opened up about getting cosmetic work done, Steph then
started to critique influencers who promoted the cosmetic work that
they'd had done, and it just seemed a bit in
contradiction because Laura is an influencer with a young, impressionable
(17:18):
following and she had just literally detailed her experience with botox.
Here's a snippet of what Steph said.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Now, sixteen seventeen year old girls are on social media
and they're looking at eighteen year old girls who or
nineteen twenty who are just in their everyday life casually
getting it done. And that's where I have an issue
with it because and it's not about lying to people,
because again I don't care if you get it. It's
(17:47):
more just like, in a way, you're kind of encouraging
it in a way by showing it, by showing that
you do it and talking about it as often as
some do. I believe in a way you are encouraging it.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
After I heard this, thought maybe Steph had been asked
to take the anti botox side and sort of push
the kick branding message about loving yourself regardless of wrinkles.
But following these comments, she then said that she had
to be honest, and she said that she's also had
work done.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Here's what she said, and like I one hundred percent,
I'll be honest as well. I've had it I think
four or five times. I got it once before my
wedding to test if I liked it. Then I got
it for my wedding, and then I didn't get it
for two years, and then I got it once again randomly.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Maybe this is their way of making an excuse as
to why they haven't been authentic and open about the
botox that they've got to their followers, because, as we've
touched on, it's not on brand for them to actually
talk about botox, so and now they've been put into
a corner where they have to talk about it. So
it sounds like they're saying, oh, well, we haven't spoken
about it because we don't want to be seen to
(18:52):
be promoting it. True. I mean, I actually disagree. I
actually prefer when influencers are open about the procedures that
they get done, because when you look at Stefan Laura,
they have beautiful bodies, they have beautiful faces. They've both
been in the modeling industry, they tick all the beauty
box standards. So I have personally found it a bit
of a struggle in the past to take on their
(19:14):
body positive messaging when it would be pretty easy to
be body positive when you look like them. So it
was interesting to hear them talk about the fact that
they also struggle comparing themselves to other influencers online. But
I almost think that they should have just not spoken
about it because it is so off brand and it
(19:34):
just comes across as so contradictory. Well, they did finish
up the segment by saying, I want to make sure
people don't feel like they need to or have to
get botox or feel it to fit in, and that
there's nothing wrong with lines or wrinkles. However, how are
we supposed to believe that message when both of them
have succumbed to it. It just doesn't really make sense,
do you think it? They were kind of pushing that
(19:56):
they succumb to it because they're in the public eye
and there's more pressure on them. I meant that me
immortals don't have to worry about.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well, I was surprised to hear that Steph got botox
done for her wedding because she got married at the
end of twenty nineteen when she was twenty six years old,
and she famously wore a two piece wedding dress that
showed off her aps and it led to a lot
of media speculation at the time as to what was
her fitness routine like before the wedding, and Steph really
(20:22):
did push back on that concept of the webshred and
at the time she said, what makes us feel like
we have to look different? I don't feel like I
need to change. I feel good in my own skin.
I'm not changing anything at all. And it is hard
to listen back to that then knowing that she was
getting botox in the lead up to her wedding, As
everyone said, it's your own progative what you get done.
(20:43):
But to come out and say, oh, I'm happy in
the skin I'm in, Why do I want to look different?
It just seems like different messaging there. Does it just
show what a bit of a face the whole fitness
industry is at the moment. Because I did hear an
interesting discussion on Mma Mia out loud about Jennifer Aniston's
new fitness app when everyone was saying it was quite
confronting because the promotion was kind of what you would
(21:03):
expect from fifteen years ago, where it was all about
the before and after and flogging yourself in the gym,
and people were almost put off because the marketing wasn't
nicely packaged up to be about your mental health and
making you feel better. But to be honest, even though
that's not how it's marketed, most people do engage in
(21:24):
fitness programs because they want to change their esthetic. So
I just feel like it really does shine a light
on how fake that whole industry is and how in
this day and age, it seems like we need things
to be palatable in order for us to accept them.
But nothing has changed. Women are still expected to be
thin and youthful, and in reality, most people will probably
(21:45):
sign up to Jennifer Aniston's fitness thing because they've gone, oh,
I like that before and after. I mean, is that
more credible for her to put that out there, because
at least she's being honest and she's not pretending to
be something that she's not. I think that they think
that they're being honest by talking about the cosmetic work
that they had done, and they are in a sense,
but that's why it just now comes at total odds
with what their brand messaging is For Kick, I do
(22:07):
want to point out though we're not trying to put
the blame on Stephan Laura, because this is the whole
societal thing that needs to be unpacked. But I just
think they probably shouldn't have spoken about it because it
just shows how many flaws there are and how many
contradictions there are in that whole marketing space in the
fitness and wellness industry.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
One day you just wake up and it.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Just hits you.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Kayla at Sina's didn't shy away from the tough questions.
In her recent interview on No Filter, the fitness influencer
opened up about how she knew her relationship with Toby
Pears wasn't right, to the juicy details about how she
turned friendship into a marriage. I feel like more recently
we have been getting a bit more of an insight
into Kayla at Senas and what she actually thinks, because
(22:54):
there was a time when she wasn't doing any interviews,
but more recently she has appeared on quite a few podcasts.
This time, she wasn't holding anything back, so she said
that she woke up one day and it hit her
that her relationship with her then fiance and baby daddy
Toby Pierce wasn't working. Let's write a more of what
she said, and I want.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
This to come out and told me like what like
we can both agree. We are different people with different
morals with We're just different and it worked so well
in business. And you've got to remember, like we were
very young, we were very entebul agree, we're very young.
He was one year younger than me. When you think
something's working, it might be working in one area that
(23:34):
is business, and it was a fantastic business and it
was rewarding business and you've got that high and you've
got that happiness. But as humans in a relationship for
the rest of your life, if you are the polar
opposite like we're in business, you're not going to connect romantically.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It's just it is what it is. There's no hierarchy,
there's no like I'm the kind one. Do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
There was, yes, Yes. She went on to refute the
claims the opposites attract, saying that she's truly best friends
with her now husband, Jay Woodroff. Let's throw to more
of what she.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Said, and people say opposites a track.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
I disagree, may and I am very similar my husband
now We're just so similar that we are best friends.
The first thing that goes right in my life in
a day, I'll call him.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
If I want to go on a holiday, I want
him with me. I'm gonna going with the girls. I'm
going with Jay like I'm going a blonde car ride.
I want my husband with me.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
He's my best friend, and that was not the case,
and I just, really, I don't know, you just want
to be with your best friend now.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
It is the first time that Kayla has addressed how
her and Jay actually got together. So back in twenty
twenty two, when Kayla and Jay were first spotted together,
there was a lot of speculation about how their relationship started,
so several news publications reported that Kayla and Jay used
to be neighbors when he was living with his then
girlfriend Lauren Belotti in malvin Later on, photos then resurface
(25:02):
of a couple's holiday that Kayla and Jay went on
in May twenty twenty one with their then partners to Queensland,
and then months later the couple actually started dating. It's
quite funny because Kayla's Purpoo hilariously shut down cheating rumors
on his own Instagram account at the time, so he said,
So glad I can clear this mess up. Jay and
Kayla were best friends for years. It was Kayla, Jay
(25:23):
and Steve three idiots, both had partners, both split with
their partners, and later got together. Having been best friends
for years, it was easy to accept Jay into the
family because he already had been part of it as
Kayla's best friend. Any other variations to this story is
a lie slash guess Mike drop. Isn't it actually Kayla
and her sister Leah that run this account? Look it is,
(25:44):
but I suppose it was their way of getting that
messaging out there.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Kayla has provided further context of how her relationship started
with Jay. Let's throw to what she said.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I was actually friends with Jay's sister.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
So you know when they say like they're always there,
but you never see them, like they're just there. And
so I was friends with Jay's sister, best friends with
Jay's sister. She was just like she's the best, her
kids are the best. And Jay would always just pass.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Hi hi whatever.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Like we became friends, and we became single at the
same time, and we were still friends and we were
best friends. I just remember one day like we were
honestly best friends. Were in the car, were driving, and
I said, what are we gonna do? Like, what are
we actually gonna do? Like should we just build like
a friend's house and like just all live like because
it was like five, we always live as friends in
this house.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
And he's like, oh, we could be together. I was
like what, Like what did you just say?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
And he was like, well, like it kind of makes sense,
like we were together all the time, and if I
had a girlfriend, she weren't like me being so close
with you, and you if you had a partner, he
wouldn't like me being so close with you, So it.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Kind of makes sense.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
And I was like, I mean, it does make sense,
but I've only ever hugged you three times because we're
so that.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Makes no sense to me. I don't actually know what happened.
It was just like bang bang change, like I were
married the kid.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Do we think there's a bit more to the story
than that? Look, I think everyone knows that there is
more to this story, but it's very clear that Kayla
is trying to shut down any sort of cheating allegations.
She's really trying to push there that they were just friends.
I do think It's kind of sweet though, because you
could tell how much Kayla really loves Jay in this interview,
like she is in absolute awe of him. She would
(27:23):
light up when she spoke about him. And I do
think that the best relationships come from friendships. I wonder
if Jay was there for her when Toby maybe wasn't
being too nice because Toby, as Kayla said, they have
very different personalities and he has said himself that he
can be quite cold and not have much empathy, so
maybe he was there for her in those times. Yeah, well,
(27:45):
I think you have a point there, because reading between
the lines of this interview, it seems like Kayla and
Toby's relationship was more of a working one because she
spoke about how she felt really pressured to always be
producing social media content. So she said Toby used to
wake her up and be like, have you posted? And
she just said that now it is so different with Jay.
(28:05):
But to her and Jay now work together because she
said something in that interview about you know, waking up
and they hang out together and they work together. Well,
I think it's because he actually has his own business,
so maybe they're just working from home but on different projects.
And again that was another interesting part of the interview
because Kate Langebrook was really pushing the point about Kayla
(28:25):
having such a big fortune and whether it was hard
to actually date. And funnily enough, while Kayla and Jay
were just friends, he told her that it would be
really hard for her to date someone because her wealth
would be super intimidating to guys, and he said he
was going to sit back and laugh as he watched
her day other people. I mean, it sounds like he
was playing complete mind games because clearly he wanted to date. Hell,
(28:48):
he's quite wealthy from what I can understand as well. Well,
that's not to the level of Kayler. Well, that's what
she said. So she said to Kate that the difference
was that Jay is successful. So she said he has
his own company and his own houses. And then when
Kate push and said, well what does he actually do,
she said that his company houses people with acquiet brain injuries,
(29:08):
and that he also works on the side doing up
luxury car He's funny. My partner came home one night
and he'd been filming for a YouTube series on luxury cars,
and he's like, this young guy came in with really
white teeth and he had this epic car. I have
no idea how he afforded it, and he'd pimped it up.
It was from America, and I was like, is his
name Jay? He's like, oh, I think so that's Kayla.
(29:30):
It'd seen as his partner. Yeah, I mean, to be fair,
I think that he was doing that before he met Kayla.
So I do think that he does come from wealth,
which would make the whole situation easier. I did really
love the way Kayla spoke about Toby Pierce's fiance Rachel Dylan,
because I think that it would be easy for us
to assume that they wouldn't like each other because they're
both very successful fitness influencers in their own right. They
(29:53):
kind of look pretty similar. They're both very fit with
dark hair. But she just spoke so highly of Rachel
and put to bed in any of those sorts of
feuding rumors. Let's wrote to what she said honestly.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
And she is beautiful, She is so kind, so beautiful,
comes from a beautiful family. She will be honest stepmom,
and I could not be happier to have such a
beautiful role model for my daughter. I truly, honestly believe
that I have no problems because I'm so happy in
my life, and I think so many women are so
(30:26):
bitter when they're exs Yes, and someone else like, well, that's.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, it hurts. It hurts, yes, and that has.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Nothing like me. I'm like, okay, but you didn't like
them either, do you know what I mean? Like, you
guys are compatible. You need to find your person when
you're happy, and you found your person to care.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Just so happy for everyone to be happy.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I just think that this was a really refreshing example
of co parenting. And you can tell that they must
all get along pretty civilly, especially because Kayla and Jay
have moved to the Gold Coast to be close to
Toby and Rachel, and also the fact that Toby and
Kayla have to work and run this empire together. Of
course you're going to have to be cordial. I did
want to finish by talking about Kayla and Jay's wedding
(31:09):
because we haven't heard too much about it, but she
dropped some interesting little tidbits. So it turns out that
she actually wanted to get married in a registry office,
but it was her personal assistant who put her foot down.
She's like you cannot do it, and they're like, okay,
will you organize it then, and she's like, okay, I will.
So she ended up doing everything. Kayla said that it
took her two seconds to decide on her dress and
(31:32):
her ring, and essentially she just rocked up to her
house and the personal assistant had done everything. Gosh, I
wish I had a personal assistant to arrange my wedding
because I feel like I'm quite similar to Kayla in
the sense where I didn't really care about my dress,
didn't really care about the final detail. Well, she did
still have a sponsored dress and they made the dress.
It was a custom dress for her, so it must
(31:52):
have taken a little bit longer than two sets. Probably
the personal assistant was there saying this is what she wants,
She's try The personal assistant tries to dress on, waning
to get you to try dresses on for me. So,
because I couldn't be bothered, offered to do it for you.
If she still didn't wait, where just your unpaid personal assistants. Well,
I think that is all we have time for today.
Thank you so much for joining us for this episode.
(32:12):
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